Bad vs Good - Acoustic Guitar Recordings
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“Our ears are first class instruments to ignore things”....Haha real life!!
😂 they're tricky little buggers
That a good one!
This is exactly the way how you should teach sound engineering. Examples, explain what is bad, how to fix it in recording or even mixing phase. Wish there are more videos like this.
@Dumble Door you're an audio engineer? When and where did you get your degree? All the programs I've looked at for audio engineering/equivalent degrees require extensive study in electrical engineering, some computer science, and all math courses that would be necessary for that level of electrical engineering (probably linear algebra and diff eq). I know other sound engineering programs that are actually offshoots of electrical engineering programs rather than being through the music schools (there's an affiliation of course, but the brunt of the coursework goes through the engineering school).
This isn't to say you can't be or aren't a fantastic audio engineer! I have no idea how good you are and I agree with you that knowing the technicals is nice, but knowing your ears is what makes good recordings. I am legitimately just curious because what you described is not what I've seen. Maybe things changed over the years or it could be that my sample size was an I'll representation of the general experience.
@Dumble Door bro have you ever met a real audio engineer?
@@tjkim1999 For real! I went to school for audio engineering and had to do a lot of algebraic mathematics that were not covered in regular college algebra classes. I'm currently going to school for Electrical Engineering now and I'd say that Audio Engineering is closely related to it and acoustical physics. If you actually want to understand what you're doing to the signals you're recording and etc.. You have to at least have a basic understanding of what's going on under the surface. These days a lot of these people are just producers with a lot of understanding in how they want it to sound, but never really know how to achieve those sounds properly and used massive amounts of compression, EQ, distortion/saturation to get it. Audio Engineering is an art, but it's also a science. A lot of people forget that.
@Dumble Door Engineering as a noun: "the branch of science and technology concerned with the design, building, and use of engines, machines, and structures" // "the action of working artfully to bring something about" // "the work done by, or the occupation of, an engineer"
As a verb: "design and build (a machine or structure)" // "skillfully or artfully arrange for (an event or situation) to occur"
You're really just mistaken as to what engineering is. The reason the profession of civil engineering and things adjacent to it demands an incredible level of education has more to do with the fact that lives, money, and the very functioning of society can be at stake. In many cases the extreme academic demands for the profession are written in blood.
Make no mistake, though, the term "engineer" includes what you perceive as engineers, but it is certainly not limited to it. Civil engineering may protect the title of "engineer" for the reason of being very clear and specific as to qualifications in that field, but if you look to other industries the game can change, and according to definition engineering is a very broad term that can require wildly different requirements.
Bad one: 3:16
CHONKY GUITAR: 9:37
Tengs
@Gary Winthorp So why are you watching the video? The entire purpose of this video is to teach inexperienced sound engineers on what NOT to do.
@Gary Winthorp Title isn’t clickbait thought. The video is exactly what you clicked on, it’s comparing a bad guitar mix to a good one. UA-cam has lost the meaning of clickbait when everyone just says something is clickbait when it’s not.
@Gary Winthorp Dude. Aren’t you the one who literally complained because the video is exactly what the title said? The one crying is you bro.
@Gary Winthorp Complaint: “ a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable” You: “Calling the video clickbait and saying you don’t care about the video.” That’s called a complaint bro.
@Gary Winthorp Woah now Gary, relax there buddy. Keep raising your heart rate like that and your heartburn may kick in.
I just recorded accoustic guitars this morning and you just described everything I did wrong.
I understand why the first one is bad and it is, but there's something about it that I like
So then it's not bad.
@@DKinMN you can have a song that you like but it doesnt sound good.
Personally, i hear that a lot from stuff I made a few years ago. People like what it was made but it sounds weird, mostly due to the inexperience I had (not that I have a lot now) and what I used to record
@@pedrosilvamusician can you see what you just said ? I want you to go sit at a corner and think about what you ve done .
@@icy_0_182 okay :(
@@icy_0_182 damn don't talk like that to my man Pedro :(
Isn't it interesting that this video is uploaded on the one day I wake up with the motivation to record some acoustic
Knowing when to move on is what makes someone a good producer.
One thing home producers may forget is that great bands ’mix themselves’ both in how they sound and play to get through and be in a sweet spot of the ’live mix’. A bass players tone solo for example may sound quite awful or not so ear pleasing, but cuts through and works just perfectly in conjunction with the band.
The thing though is that depending on the mood of the song and of the arrangement I might favor one or the other. Think about how Nigel Godrich used tons of compression on some of the tracks of OK Computer but it helps to convey a certain vibe. I think your demonstration is interesting because it teaches about the proxy effect and understanding the song you get form positioning a mic a certain way. But in the end if you know what you are doing there is no right or wrong. Bad or good can only be assess in the context of a mix.
Yeah
The flashlight comparison is just brilliant! I tend to favor warmer acoustics(thanks Wilco), but the best lesson I've learned recording them is to give the mics some space.
Yeah it's wild how warm they can feel even if the mic seems too far away.
Joe, more videos like this with different instruments would be awesome. This helped me a great deal. Thanks
Simple rule: Garbage In => Garbage Out :)
Tell that to a recycling plant.
true
Depends on the garbage , someone else's garbage may be another man's treasure lol🤫🤔
"Do you have a bump?" haha!😂
The A/B comparison model is really cool Joe - thank for sharing. Really helpful to have it focused on one instrument / element too - I’d love to see more of these - really instructive to be able to directly compare. Cheers.
What an AWESOME video. Crystal clear explanation from someone that loves what he does. Thanks so much Joe! You've got a new follower here.
I don't really record or mix music anymore, but somehow i stumbled onto this video, and somehow it's almost changed my life lol.
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Definitely can hear your point. We need more content like this. A/Bs are really helpful. Thank you
This is really a great way to explain how to craft your sound and how you gave examples and tips are really to the point! Amazing bro! You are a great teacher!
This is the most useful home recording video I've watched in a long time. Joe- this is a huge help, I've been struggling to figure out what I've been doing wrong and this absolutely nails it down 100%. It's so obvious the way you explain it- awesome content!
Man, half a second in; amazing microphone and voice.
I enjoyed this 15min of recording lesson, I've just arrived in this mixing world. Great lesson and nice english to understand from non-english people! Thanks again!
Your way of explaining, the movements with your hands the tone of your voice you truly make me want to learn
Didn't know I needed this!!
Yessss a vocal version of this would be awesome! Thank you, this was awesome
I'm recording my first ep and these videos are so incredibly helpful, thanks!
thank you very much for sharing your tips and techniques, i follow your channel for some years now, and you inspire my mixes at my studio, even though i am hiphop oriented your content is gold. lots of thanks from bucharest!
This is great! Would love to see a similar one where you actually demonstrate mic placement and how to get better recordings that way too.
Hey. I must say: you are one of a kind! I think you stand out in a good way in the world of music production youtubers! Keep up the good work and THANK you for your great e-mailing list e-mails :)
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Bad 3:17
Good 9:37
Great video Joe, underrated channel
this was a great comparison, but the second one's boomy pop sound everytime it gets strummed down on the beat gives me the tension at the bump of my head (yes I've got one too ;P)
thanks for relieving me with the one-small-EQ at the end.
I like the sock covering image you described, because that's close to what I imagined when you asked to close eyes. It was like hearing guitar behind a curtain.
Getting right at the source is always should always be the priority. Thanks for proving it once again...!
i love how straight to the point this video is
This is great stuff! Going to be using these tips when recording
Thanks for all these great videos you make, They’re very helpful 🔥
So helpful to hear your comparison tracks Joe. Yeah, do it for other instruments and voice please!
Thanks a lot for the experience sharing, perfect!
I put mic pretty close and aim at the 12 the fret. Always sounds pretty good and balanced.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Great demonstration. First recording did not sound all that bad, but once it was compared to the second recording I could really hear the difference. Recording 1 sounds like the richness of the upper mids are scooped out leaving brittle highs and muddy lows and low mids. Getting it right in pre is something I've been learning a lot more about lately, thank you for the vid.
Thank you, man.
Its so crazy to think about what it would be like without help like this.
Once again you have made me stop and rethink my approach. Really helpful demonstration and comparison. Thanks very much for a great video! 👍
Would love more like this!
This is GREAT! can`t wait video about recording electric guitar!
This is the closest I've come in 20 years to finally understanding why my acoustics always sound scratchy, harsh and boomy all at the same time. I think I've always mic'd as close as possible in order to try and eliminate as much hiss and room as possible. My rooms have never been treated well due to budget, so I'm constantly trying to cheat my way around it. Now, my NY resolution is: move further away... and finish those acoustic panels...
Thanks so much for all this incredible content man, you've no idea how helpful it is.
And in the meantime, hang up a blanket or lean a mattress against the wall. 👍
Not even stumbling upon the thought of moving the microphone further away in 20 years is impressive. I applaud you
@@Mueseek MY FIRST APPLAUSE!!! 🥰
So helpful. As always. Thank you
Thanks Joe, unique approach to make a good point about getting it right a the source.
Absolutely outstanding video Joe!
Thanks Bandrew!
Joe, you have some of the best content and information. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. I for one REALLY appreciate it.
Thanks Harry
Thanks Joe from South Africa 😎
I really love the flashlight analogy Joe!!! That is really gonna help many people (myself included) improve the way they place mics!! Thank you! :D
Thank u so much, really nice video!
Love to see one for vocals
Amazing! And yes, it would be great to have other vídeos like this.
Planning an electric guitar and vocals one...maybe drums. Any other ideas?
All the recording, mixing, producing, home studio tips and tricks and such on UA-cam I’ve witnessed and there are so so many, many of which are great … and I only just now happenstance across you … how frustrating…
The pace you moved at is great. Direct and concise to the topic with a little personality and quirk sprinkled tastefully throughout, specific examples, no tangents on other things that tend to surround the intended topic, utilizing your own personal experiences and growth as the reference instead of some random recordings we know nothing about… I could go on.
Great content my friend! Subscription earned!
Great application of sound differentiation!
Thanks, Joe!
Awesome guide man. THis is really educational and propably the right way someone should explain audio engineering. I did all those mistakes.
Great demonstration Joe. 4 Years ago I bought a Rode NT2a mic, why, because I finally heard about recording M/S for acoustic guitar. While I know that's not what you're talking about here, that is what enabled me to finally get it right first :). Until then, I had been struggling to hear back what all my nice acoustic guitars sounded like. Never cut corners, get it right first :).
I feel like I just learned in 14 minutes what it should take hours to teach! Loved it!!! Subscribed to hear more of your wisdom! Thank you, good sir!!!
Thanks Pedro.
Great video! Long time guitarist, getting into recording on my own. Love your content
I appreciate the comparisons, that is very helpful. Acoustics are certainly difficult to get right in the mix. At first, the first example sounded decent to me, but hearing the second one put it all in perspective, much better!
Lol 😂 My head hurts when the mic is out of phase! It's like it builds pressure in your head! Great job brother!
love those Jazz 3 Guitar picks!
Very informative, love the flashlight analogy
This is good learning here thanks Jo
Great teacher!
Really nice advice Joe, thanks.
Thanks Joe, great real life example, very helpful!
wow!!! I want this!!
Soooo true! And acoustic treatment is also very important. Lately I built some absorbers for my recording room. Now I can place the mic further away from the guitar without getting these ugly small room reflections. I was very surprised when I started mixing. It was boring. Almost nothing to do. 😀 That's how good mixes start. I guess.
Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Cheers from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I definitely want more videos like this one
11:14 That gave me a really good idea of what it was you were addressing. To me, I (would have) preferred the sound of the first guitar of how it was naturally brighter where the second one sounded cheaper or like it was being played through a cheap direct output from the internal pickups. But playing the two back to back I can see the potential of how the first guitar could have sounded if it was mic'd with a little more care and backed up to ease up on the low mids. Great insight!
GIRATS is such a HUGE concept that many people should learn first when getting into audio engineering!
Once was in a band with a drummer who had a setup on his drums. The kick and snare (top and bottom) mics were so rough, I had had to learn about sample replacement just to get a decent sound over the drum tracks. Even had a music/audio friend get his hands on the track to hear the raw tracks for themselves.
Nice vid Joe!
Even though I've been using DAWs for over 20 years, and having just moved from Pro Tools to S1 5Pro, your tutorials are invaluable to me Joe. The little sign you have behind you in this video is also very heartening to me...I've seen it in other vids where I paused and read the message. In these trying times it's always good to see a clear and simple message about putting trust in God, because there sure are a lot of people around who are trying to deny God, or that God exists and created this world especially for us. Keep on Joe...C Ya
I'm in college and I'm regretting that I didn't pick a music program but I found this vid and it gives me hope that I could still pursue music!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
to me the problem is phace correlation, you can clearly hear it when collapsing to mono... and honestly is pretty easy to fix, secondo rec is less stereo, less sustain on the bass and more attack which I don't personally like...
Even though I have my ears trained well, I find myself mixing guitar as a guitarist, which means I favor the sound of a guitar from the auditory perspective of my head above the guitar and down close to the strings and sound hole, which sounds very low-middy and rich. As a result, a lot of my acoustic recordings have more of that low-mid. As I watched the video, I went back and listened to some recordings from years ago and sure enough, they have that 150-200hz information because TO ME that's what a guitar sounds like when I'm playing it.
As I go through to the later recordings, I seem to have figured it out along the way, not sure where. I remember scooting the mic back to 12-14" pointed at the top of the sound hole and positioned directly in front of the guitar. It's so good to know WHY they sound better so I can make sure to replicate it going forward.
Good subtle lesson in guitar sounds for a mix, thanks Joe.
My opinion: never point a mic at the soundhole. The sound you want to record does not come from the soundhole. The sound of an acoustic guitar doesn't come from the strings, it comes from the sounding board, the big piece of wood that the strings are attached to. You should point a mic at that. I also point a mic at around the fifth fret, to catch high end and string noise. This gives a couple of feet of separation of what the two mics are hearing, which can make for an amazing stereo field. The main point, tho, is the weird but true fact that the sound of a guitar doesn't actually come from the strings.
Thank you for great tips on this, the A/B comparison is amazing, so much cleaner with the right space. I love the flashlight analogy, definitely going to remember that! Despite playing for years, I'm very new to home recording (yay quarantine!). I noticed that the "better" sound still has a lot of the same "muddy" frequencies in the EQ chart, but they are very transient and fade very fast. I think that is what you mean by the nice thick pick sound. It sounds full but its short and doesn't dominate the sound. In the boomy first recordings, those frequencies just ring on and on.
This is something that I'm just starting to understand: EQ is a permanent fix to boost/cut frequencies but sometimes the problem is actually how those frequencies evolve in time. It's ok if they are short booms, but you don't want some muddy drone over the whole song. Cutting makes it worse, because you don't want them gone completely, you just want them to die off faster.
And yes, some fancy filtered compression treatment can probably fix it... but that is so much harder than just doing it right from the source (as you said!)
Amazing vídeo John! Never noticed what i was doing wrong trough acoustic guitar recording until today. Thank you so much. Regards from Brasil.
Thanks!
Honest explanation, thanks Joe!
So, MIC further away to not get too much mids and low-mids. Easy. You can see it in the waveform right away. And of course you can hear it. Very good explanation.
Amazing video, very useful for a begginer!
I really like the sound I get with a classic technique.
I use a condenser mic, aimed at the 12th fret from my right-hand side as I sit, at a 45' angle to the guitar & roughly 6-8 inches away from the guitar.
It picks up the transients from the right hand without the woofing sound from the soundhole, and a very pleasing range of the guitar's tone.
this is so helpful thank you
The diference is astronomic! You could make a video making a visual example and using mics of how you recorded before and after, it would be very interesting. Good video man.
I love your videos Joe. When you played the blue track, I instantly heard the problem ... but I credit that to the fact that I am a musician ... a guitar player, who is very picky about my sound. I think all live sound tech and recording techs should be musicians, because that is what it takes to make a great recording. That music console is a musical instrument.
Good vid man appreciate it
Thanks for the tips!
thank you so much ❤
Thank you for this, im a sound engineer student and this helped a lot. I'll check all of my guitars again to do a better work, Greeting from Chile
Comedy gold with the GIRATS paper throw Joe!😂 Loved the video!
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Thanks for this! Your channel has helped me out a lot (I've been doing home recordings since April of last year--Covid) and have learned a lot. I'm not the best by any means but I have learned and been able to put out some nice sounding songs. I played guitar on a cover I did last year and I thought it sounded 'weird' because I'm not a guitarist...I'm just as saxophonist who knows a little about the guitar, but I definitely had the microphone about 3-4 inches away from the guitar (wife and daughter were asleep). Now I'm interested in seeing if I hear a difference with my stance /mic placement from the sax (I pretty much set it up how producers set me up in college and other recordings). Thanks again!
Hey Joe...great tip!!! Would be nice to see a similar tutorial with vocals.
Wow! You made a complex subject very clear to me. I get it!
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Currently in the process of recording my acoustic guitar, I I was guilty of putting the mic up too close to the sound hole. I will try this technique of putting it further away, now I know what to listen out for. Great video Joe!
Thank you from UK.
Rock on!
thank you so much man 🌹
You mean I'm not the only one with a bump? Sweet! Spent the last 53 years thinking I was a freak! Great lesson on acoustic guitar recording. Would love to see one with actual mic placement and results. :) Be blessed!
Great video! I know you've been preaching this for years. I'll second everything you're saying. Recording your tracks well on the front end can save you a massive headache on the back end. Thanks to one of your old videos, I've been trying to dial in the mic placement, tone, overdrive level (on electric), dynamics, and overall performance so that it fits perfectly into the song before anyone even starts mixing. After I finished some electric tracks for an artist, I actually had the mix engineer call to tell me that the tracks sounded amazing and that he didn't have to do anything to them in the mix. That's the goal! Anyway, thanks for all of the good work that's helping a lot of us to make good music!
Yesssss...well done.