2022 Nissan Leaf SL Plus 62kWh: Still An Innovation?
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- The Nissan Leaf came out over a decade ago, advertised with "Innovation for the Planet, Innovation for All." Jordan sets out today with the newest Leaf, finding out if there is any innovation left in a world exploding with new EVs. He takes a look at the technology, charging, and even interior feel. So how does it stack up?
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Leaf is a very under-appreciated car as we watch mostly car fanatics presenting videos of EVs with features that are mostly less used for standard use as a transporter. Just like this presenter said, like a standard refrigerator, Leaf does what you want most of the time. I have a Leaf SL Plus and I love it. I also like the fact that it has a heat pump.
Yes - heat pump! I missed your comment when I composed mine. I agree with your statement.
I bought a used 2019 Leaf SV, 40kWh with cold weather package and ProPilot, for 22K in JUL20 from Carvana. (The same used model now sells for 26K at Carvana) As a second car, CHADEMO and no thermal battery management are non-issues for me.The battery life indicator is still at 100%. The Leaf has provided over 10K of fun, trouble-free driving. If you understand the Leaf limitations, I feel a used second-generation Leaf is the perfect introduction to the world of EVs.
no argument there.. but to release this new car in 2022, in a price segment that is starting to fill up with as good or better alternatives that are not hampered by still using a dying charger connector is pretty lazy. Not to mention the 50kw rapid charger limit on a 40kw battery. It's almost as daft as the level 2 charger only for the 40kw Zoe
@@LordElpme Yeah, it almost seems like the Chademo is the battery management as it deters you from fast charging it which could prevent it from overheating. I think a used Leaf in a normal used car market can be a steal as a second car. The new ones are priced a little too high, but at least they finally lowered it from the 2021 models.
@@lanceareadbhar the 2nd hand price of similar spec of mine (2014 24kw Acenta 77k miles) jumped about £2k after the first fuel crisis and isn't showing signs of dropping yet)
Hmmmm. I love my Leaf. It is not flashy, it isn't going to make people oogle over my car. It is a car I can afford, saves me a ton of money on gasoline, and it fits in my garage with my tractor. What I love the most about the car is how quiet it is. I'm getting 280 miles+ on a charge. Not bad.
That's excellent range!
WOw! That's quite a range! Are you still getting these numbers?
My next door neighbour has a 40 kWh Nissan, he's very happy with it. And every time that I see his leaf, I think it looks really smart.
I have a home solar powered LFP model 3 which suits me, but I love the leaf's hatch back . I bought my car at a low point of Australian prices $61+ basic with midnight silver and my neighbour bought his at a time when ev's were rare here at $55+ with every option. He's bothered about the difference in range and I said you don't come close to it's range of your leaf even with a week's use (170 km), so I wouldn't worry about it.
Well, like you said, “Context.”
“It’s just not premium…” But then again, the buyer is not paying a premium for the Leaf. For people looking for their first EV and wanting to use it strictly for local commutes and as a daily driver, the Leaf might well be the perfect vehicle, with a good feature set, reasonable build quality, decent room and comfort, reliability, useable charging speed, and a non-premium price. That’s not a bad list of positives!
hope it doesnt come with Nissan CVT :P
@@BTin416 Here in the US, it’s true - there is an unhealthy obsession with huge pickup trucks and SUVs. Just on my street looking out the window, there are numerous massive pickups, but rarely do I see any of them doing work. They simply carry people from Point A to Point B and back. Very inefficiently too.
From what I’ve seen, that obsession with huge trucks isn’t as prevalent in Europe and Asia as here in the US. Those are broad generalizations, meaning there are certainly exceptions, but the numbers of sales in those parts of the world will support them.
I am encouraged by the fact that more EVs from more manufacturers of more variety are being made. New ways of thinking about transportation, both private and public, are under discussion. And a strong move toward renewable, green energy sources is gaining ground. All of this is positive.
There’s a long way to go, on making affordable EVs common, and inching away from the abyss of ecological apocalypse… but it feels like we are approaching critical mass for tipping the scales in a positive way. EVs are part of that mass, and making them affordable and practical is essential.
@@cksh4182 it does not have a transmission at all.
Well for 37,000 dollars I would expect better
@@DarthAlgar5 Expectations are a sure road to disappointment. And the Leaf has a starting msrp of $27,400 before incentives.
Imagine if the Leaf had active battery thermal management. It could be the ultimate FWD autocrosser
And overtake the Dave “Kona”? Never :)
yep
Not with the limited number of Chademo chargers.
@@rzu7120 yep lol
& CCS
28,000 miles on my 2019 SL+ and I still like it :)
for a family car, I don't need premium materials, I need something that is easy to clean, kids-prof, decent range, and good price, Leaf is perfect for that.
First, thank you for keeping the Leaf in mind. It seems to be largely forgotten online. But, a couple of errors in your review and one MAJOR one. The 240v EVSE COMES WITH THE CAR. At any trim level. This is a big deal because it means no home equipment is needed beyond the NEMA outlet (and yes, yours is installed upside down). The other error is about the range. Only the S Plus with the narrower tires is rated for 226 miles. The SV and SL are rated at 215 miles.
Considering chademo is a dying standard in the US the fact that this car still has it seems like a big deal breaker.
It prevented me from considering it.
@@davidmccarthy6061 same here.. and the fact it does not have active battery management.. Like dude...
that connection also lost the connector competition in EU.
If you plan to take it on road trips, I agree. However, as your second car that you use for around your area driving and always charge overnight at home, it can be of great value compared to the pricier EVs.
@@lanceareadbhar exactly !
I have a 2020 62 KW love it especially not having to buy gas at these prices always charge at home with level 1 and 2 live in a temperate climate so not bothered about overheating
I'm thinking about buying a Leaf, and have watched a dozen reviews already, but this is my favorite so far. You are such a natural in front of the camera. Thank you so much for all the info!
How is it that Nissan still hasn't hit the federal limit on tax credits ? Seems like Nissan could have just owned the electric car market if they wanted. Instead they built this car, pretty well ahead of its' time, and then sat on it, while Tesla took over the world.
Their former CEO, the only man at Nissan who seemingly cared for innovation, is a fugitive from the law and fled Japan in a box.
My thoughts too, they could be so far ahead by now but they just lost interest. My friend has one and the dealer only have one mechanic that works on them.
Not unlike all the Japanese brands. Toyota is reluctantly releasing an EV. Honda is checked out of the EV space completely. Mazda's EV is a joke. Subaru is going to sell a rebadged Toyota.
I wish Toyota had an EV, I like their quality, but it seems they are living in the past and not investing in this new technology.
Japanese are much more pragmatic and realistic people and their culture reflects that. The numbers and economics of scale will tell you extremely efficiently designed hybrids are much more resource efficient, cheaper, and realistic for the market than full EVs. Toyota can built nearly 30 hybrids for what it takes to build a single EV in cells. No matter how much the enthusiast crowd kick and scream and bloviate about accepting the concessions of a full EV right now, they are not a full market solution and won't be without a paradigm shift in battery technology.
So the Japanese companies get painted as "backwards".
Yes, your NEMA 14-50 is upside down. On a high powered circuit, the ground pin is supposed to be at the top, so that if the cord is partially unplugged and something metal falls on it, it will hit the ground pin and not one of the hot pins.
Thank you for the info on the ground pin placement and why.
Have an SL Plus 2019 and a 2013 SV. Love our LEAF'S! Kitting out the 2019 with a Comma Two gives it a great hands free driving setup for 90% of highway driving. The cherry on top is I got if for an absurdly good price new, it was $28k before tax credit and sales tax.
12 years Leaf owner now in a hot climate. My original battery was replaced 8 years ago with a lizard battery. No questions asked it was under warranty. I have 85% battery capacity now and a car that will last another 15 to 25 years. Could not be happier. All the Leafs in America built after 05/2013 until 2017 have the lizard batteries built in Smyrna TN.
Great second family car and around town commuter. My wife has a newer 2020 Leaf with the 62kwh battery. We would no hesitate going anywhere in North America. Great catr and up to 300mpc when driving slower.
Great job, Jordan! Good pics of the Leaf as well.
Clear and concise. On same wavelength as far as what you are paying. Economical and it works.
I was most interested in battery capacity and charging times. You
answered both questions to my satisfaction.
That infotainment screen looked INCREDIBLY SLOW. That didn’t look good at all.
Enjoyed the video, thanks. I needed to remove the subwoofer box in my Leaf today and there is indeed a small driver there (a small woofer) as well as the various ports, etc. I agree that the sound quality is OK but not great. Then again, that is true for most stock car systems. The car’s HVAC, etc. controls are plain but, in my view, much more ergonomic and functional than the many touchscreen based systems that are common right now. You can, for example, adjust seat heating in a Leaf without taking your eyes off the road. That is not true for, say, an ID4.
Under-appreciated in this video is that Nissan pioneered the heat pump, while the majority of EV makers still use the more power intensive resister heater to warm the cabin.
Jordan, in case I miss it, Does the newer Leaf models allow using it as a battery backup for the home? If/when they do, it would be a no brainer. 42-62 kWh battery equals 3-5 Tesla powerwalls, thanks
Thanks so much for finally explaining how the stereo in an electric car works. I was on the fence.
I know someone who had a 2013 Nissan Leaf and no problems with it.
The 2013 was the best early Leaf. People stay away from 2011-2012 and oddly 2017. The 2018 through current year batteries have held up very well as long as you don't leave it outside is a hot climate for too long. It can be an amazing value if found for a good price used as a second car.
2019 Nissan Leaf sv+, chose it over a M3. Current wait for my Lightning Pro to be delivered this summer
The two deal breakers are CHAdeMO instead of CCS and no active thermal management on the battery.
The lack of both of these not only hurts it's practicality, but also it's resale value as well as suitability as a hand me down .
this is why I decided not to buy a leaf back in 2018... Tesla was too expensive..and leaf has the major issues you mentioned.. Now that we got much better choices to choose from..like ID.4, Ioniq 5, and EV6... So I got an ID.4 and getting an EV6
Honestly I think the thermal management thing is way overblown. For sure there are places where it'd be a problem, like if you live in the desert and need to rapid charge several times a day, but otherwise it's largely a non-issue, especially if you're like the vast majority of people and rarely drive long distances.
Chademo, on the other hand, I'm with you, it's a dead-end system and it's only going to get harder and harder to find chargers with that connector. If Nissan continue to sell the Leaf, they really should offer it with CCS, and ideally offer CCS conversions for older Leafs.
@@caerphoto well, leaf battery degradation is a lot worst than other brands
@@joeisawesome540 that was true in the early Leafs. My neighbors' Tesla (MYs) are degrading at identical rates (technically slightly faster) compared to our 2019 Leafs.
@@joeisawesome540 The Leafs starting in 2018 and above are much better. The 2011 and 2012 models are the ones someone would want to avoid. I do agree that the resale market isn't great, but I can see that as a positive if someone finds a great deal on a used Leaf as their second car. The used car market is still dumb right now though.
I think that a small storage space under the hood that can at least hold your type 1 EVSE is the minimum that manufacturers should target. Storing the 'granny charger' in the rear storage, which is usually under the floor means you have to remember to pull it out and put it someplace if you are loading up the rear of the vehicle and think you might need it.
The Leaf EVSE comes with a storage bag to take with you.
I agree no frunk rather than a very small useless one. I prefer no frunk with more interior room and a larger trunk.
Thank you Magna. Just because I don't like gm, government motors, doesn't mean I don't like you.
I loved my 2012 Nissan LEAF. It probably wouldn't fit, but if they could put the Ariya's 87 kWh battery pack in the current LEAF, I think I'd prefer it over the Ariya.
a cheap and sturdy replacement battery @50 kwh would be a good start…and Made by Nissan. Not by 3rd Parties or DIY.
69 degrees is the cabin temperature! The electrical code does not specify what is right-side-up, although usually the NEMA plug and socket diagrams show the ground pin on top. That is the plug orientation of your Nissan charging cable. IMHO LEAF's battery design is safer than other EVs. When you get cooling liquids into the battery pack, there is a danger of fire if something goes wrong. I think safety is the reason Nissan uses passive battery cooling.
Great ev for commuting not having a thermal management one less thing to worry about for long term ownership.
The Nissan Leaf rocks - an affordable electric car for the masses - long live the leaf !!
I would like to see the Leaf vs new Bolt EV
In my opinion I would talk more about range per charge and not waste so much time on the stereo
I actually really like it and wish I had one now. I prefer the buttons over touch screens but I like the controls to be more like an older car. I just wish that they had put thermal mng. on that car.
That and chademo are it's biggest flaws. As a second car that you only use for around town driving and only charge at home overnight, it's a pretty good deal compared to other EVs. I just wouldn't recommend to anyone as their main car or if they can't charge at home as fast charging it is not recommended if you can help it.
@@lanceareadbhar Chademo is actually a really good technology. To bad the US did not develope it to its potential like other countries have. The bi directional power through put can be massive. It would be awesome to have a large battery in your car hooked up to a home Solar system that could be power storage for at night or through bad weather. I am a Solar guy and have designed systems that work with many different routes for power. You could dump high voltage DC power right off of your panels through a charge controller or directly into your car without changing to AC and backed DC. Chademo can pass a huge amount of power through DC right into the car and the cars charge controller could make full use to charge very quickly. Your second car could be your backup generator in a way.
I bought a used 2015 when my old commuter died... amazing at 9k... not so amazing at 40k.
Same, have a $7500 2013 that has been an amazing town car for the past 5 years. Now way would I pay $40k for one.
What did you do to the car? The 2015 models will last over 20 years.
@@davidradzieta6458 still driving it
If you have a level 2 charger at home and only use the Leaf for commuting and local driving you can find used ones with low miles very cheap.
Agreed and that is the best value of them in my opinion.
Hard to believe the same company released this EV and the Ariya EV in the same year.
This EV has been available since 2018 four years older than the Aria. Also it's a facelift version of the original leaf from 2011, it looks pretier and the battery size has increased but basically the same car, even the switches haven't changed.
What are you smoking? The Leaf is over 13 years old now.
It is not dead in Ohio we have new dual chargers and people are driving used and new leafs .contrary to what youtbers tell you chadem0 is not going away. Ea is not the only network.
I have a '17 e-Golf, which functions similarly. It's fine DC charging in winter, or really and time it's under 60 degrees. Even multiple DC charges in one trip. But over 70-75 degrees, one DC charge is really your best bet. Not good for the battery to do more. Especially if you are driving hard, and pushing more heat into the battery.
Thanks. Interesting video. Unfortunately, the “wind noise” made it difficult to listen. My concern is that I am hearing tire/road noise which means it’s not a “quiet” car. All of the things that you are indicating that would make it more innovative would likely increase the price of the Leaf. My guess is that they are simply maintaining its presence in the EV market until they release a true EV to the marketplace. Would be fine for driving around town but not certain I would want it as a “road trip” car. Sound systems are very dependent upon was a person likes for “sound”. Bose is a great audio manufacturer, but once again price determines the level of sound quality delivered. Also, you are in a car not your living room. Charging curves/time are really the big issue for me. I would think for around town, home charging would work for most people. There still needs to be improvement in battery technology to decrease charging times on road trips. Looking forward to other videos on the Leaf.
The Leaf has no wind noise. You may have been thinking about a rough road. The Leaf is one of the quietest cars ever made. But if the road is rough so is the tire noise.
No frunk because the LEAF is still built on the same platform as the ICE Versa.
No the Versa is made in Mexico. The Leaf is made in Smyrna.
Most Chademo chargers are only 50KW. Very rare now in my area to find one. The main reason i decided to get a Ioniq with CCS.
CCS is better and I like the Leaf as a second car bought used instead of new as the Chademo and lack of active battery management scare people off after they lease it. Some people have gotten fantastic values on used Leafs before the market went crazy.
There are around ten thousand chademo charger locations in North America. Maybe 2000 Tesla SC locations.
A lot of people don't realize that J1772 had provisions for DCFC, up to about 48kW (600V @80A). I don't know if DCFC stations actually accommodated for those provisions, considering they only started deploying them when the CCS connector came out. Honestly though, at this point in time it just makes sense to adopt Tesla's NACS connector
wait, the european 2021/22 leaf tekna has a camera rearview mirror and it is a rectangle, not rounded like the one on yours. And you are missing a few buttons
If you are not in a hurry apply eco mode - will give you a slower throttle response, but is worth it rangewise
I have a 2021 leaf. Phone calls on car play can be glitchy in mine as well. I notice it mostly when doing calls while using maps (Apple or google). Glad it’s not just me.
know issue...there is a software update...that makes it better.
Yes, more Leaf content! S+ is the value long range trim. Please let me know if I can lend you my 2019 S+ to review, as it is significantly more efficienct than the SV/SL+.
Woah, why?
Good job
I really wish Nissan would update this battery with thermal management next gen, but keep the same hatch form factor instead of SUV/CUVing it. Also, it's been a long while, but when I was looking over these at my local Nissan dealer they were asking between $48k and $54k, which waaaay too much for me.
Really? A year ago, I got the 2020 Nissan Leaf SL Plus for like $8K under MSRP. Of course, they lowered the price of the 2022 model about 3 weeks after I bought it.
@@lanceareadbhar they may have had discounts to offer for serious inquiries. I was just window shopping while my car was in for service.
Many dealers are doing whats called market adjustments selling whats in short supply well over msrp find a dealer that isnt price gouging the heck out of these cars
Thermal management and CCS and I would be driving one . Otherwise it's not a wise use of my dollars .
I do Uber with a 22 SV + , you're mostly right if it's a very busy work day 200+ miles 3 quick charges it gets hotter, very cold does it like any other Ev noticably halfish range. Road trips are the toughest Vs. doing Uber. To sum up my point if you aren't driving uber (driving a ton) or driving across country often, it's actually the perfect city Car. & of course not impossible to drive in excess of 17K every 3 months, I'll let the math be done for everyone to decide if that's enough for themselves 👍👍
@@JoshuaWalls2014 Long range battery stick in the city. Such a waste... Shame on you nissan.
@@samusaran7317 They have a smaller range SV plus with tech package for commuting and day trips as a second car.
Active battery thermal management and CCS and it wouldn’t be bad.
No thermal management means less to go wrong. I’m curious as to the battery degradation with the newer batteries. I’ve got a 2012 that’s at 55% now
@@Milhouse77BS well your most expensive component on your 2012 went wrong, so I’m not sure your thought about less things to go wrong holds water.
the lack of CCS is really absurd in 2022
@@umangmalik yep chadmo lol
@@Milhouse77BS i drive a 2019 nissan leaf 40 kwh battery i haven't lost a bar of range yet
I never have considered improvements to the rear view mirror. And I still won’t 😂
Yep, your 14-50 is upside down. Nissan also includes a wall bracket with these EVSEs so it is not hanging from the cord.
Does Colorado not have hands free driving laws?
The Leaf offers a low price precisely because they haven't spent money updating an old design. Complaining that it lacks the "latest" features that are nice but not life changing misses the point.
Price, price, price is the major point about EVs. Range is also an issue but this dispenses with that for the most part.
The criticism of the knobs and buttons is unfair. When people are yowling about the loss of buttons and knobs (ID4 I'm looking at you) this has them. As for the lack of premium feel, they are perfectly adequate, well made and durable. This is a straightforward car with few pretensions to the nonsense that passes as tech and innovation on other cars. The preoccupation with the infotainment system is particularly shortsighted. We are playing music downloads with all sorts of manky sources being presented in a metal box moving at speed on a highway. In what universe can we expect studio reference sound quality?
Nissan LEAF iconic in the BEV space - of course there is more innovative tech from Tesla but it also costs more to insure, fix, own, repair - the LEAF very practical & economical - like a fridge or a Prius - it gets you A to B for $0.01 per mile and the most reliable Nissan vehicle sold! Some 2011 models have more than 300k miles ODO now
I intend on buying a 40KW Leaf this summer. I do not need very much range so Its a good model for people that dont. Why pay for range you dont need.
I dont need active cooling and I want to reuse the batteries myself when they get to low to use in the vehicle.
The leaf uses can bus so future battery upgrades are possible.
Check out the Soul EV! Very happy with mine since buying it in 2020.
The 2024 Nissan Leaf looks really great at an excellent price point and you get the $3750 Federal Tax Credit too
Incorrect title since this model year isn't a brand new generation so I wouldn't expect any major changes from when it arrived a few years ago, and planned in 2017. If the Leaf continues and they change to CCS and add in modern day tech then it might be something to consider.
Agreed as a main car. I think it can do well as a second car for most two car families assuming they can charge it at home overnight.
I owned 4 electric cars so far and the very best is the Leaf, my kia was always buggy and failing, sometimes not even turning on, I returned it. Tesla are total garbage quality, parts are literally falling off and the screen omg this is dumb, no head display means that you have to look at the shit all the time. Who really want to drive a cheap ipad copy, I want to drive a car, completely dumb, poor assembly and value. Then I got the BMW i3, i was worried about range, but this thing has a motor in the trunk to charge the battery, you can even drive with 0% battery just using gaz, driving is crazy hot and interior also, its ergonomic, fantastic quality and efficiency. But I kept this Nissan leaf, and its still today the best EV on the marked, its not so much the interior material, but its good looking, good ergonomic, driving is awesome, autonomy is great, best single drive pedal so far (Kona one is DANGEROUS), and made the example for the world to follow. 2 best EV, i3 and Leaf. Others may have good spec, like a Samsung phone, then you compare it to an iphone. Most competitors are just trash, you may buy it based on specs or ads, but in reality they suck, has tons of issues, dont drive well, like my shit Kia that you can't see the spedometer screen with a normal wheel position. Dont be fool, try them and by the proper product, dont be shy to ask a 30 day try and return the cars that scam users. Maybe manufacturer will understand.
Forget about level 3 fast charging the Leaf. You can't because of two problems, a (now) non standard obsolete DC charging connector (in many, if not most parts of the US), and a non-liquid cooled battery. The Leaf effectively is limited to level 2 charging. This means that the 140 or 220 (ish) mile battery options are about right, any more and you'd really need the level 3 charging to make full use of the battery capacity. So the Leaf is NOT a suitable road trip car, but IS a good around town vehicle for running errands, or a short commute to work, especially if your employer has level 1 or 2 charging available in the parking lot. Now that I realize that I don't want to be behind the wheel of a car for more than 1 or 2 hours straight, and won't be planning and trips longer than 50-75 miles, I could probably live quite well with the Leaf plus, and maybe even the base line model. I am still 'drooling' over the Tesla model Y, but do I REALLY need it, or could I be happy with something a bit less exotic? Perhaps so.
Thank you, this acually charger faster than my ioniq 5 at 30-40F, my ioniq 5 start at 65kw then it decrease to 50kw at around 70%
It must have been very cold which affects the Ioniq 5's charging speeds. People are now getting in the 200's where the weather is warm.
@@lanceareadbhar I am talking about similar charging condition at around 45F. Start charging at 70kw 30%soc, then it decrease to 40kw at around 60%soc. And in case you think my car is broken. You can try on your own ioniq 5 at 45F. Your car maybe AWD that come with battery heater, it may increase charging rate after 10 Mins, but it will still start only around 70kw. Half of US ioniq 5 and more than 80% ioniq 5 in Europe does not have battery heater, in the other hand this leaf does not have even have liquid cooling. Then at same temperature, leaf with this ancient air cooled battery charge faster at 45F, not just starting charging rate but the whole charging curve leaf is better than ioniq 5
Maybe I'm just old, but $40k isn't an inexpensive car. What am I missing? Do you mean the entry level spec? I guess it works fine as a daily commuter. You'll need to charge at home. Fine for some, but may not work for young people starting out.
Guess I'm also old ;) $40k for a small city car, Lord help us.
The entry level spec is close to $27K and all Leafs still qualify for a $7.5K tax credit so it's closer to $20K for the entry level. The highest end trim is closer to $37.4K, so $29.9K after tax credit which is comparable to new cars these days.
About 30k after federal tax credits. Then subtract state and local utility credits.
All nissan should do is change to ccs charging, add thermal management, use just the 62 kwh battery and keep the price below 30k they could own the practical car market.
This is very expensive in canada. It is costing CAD 60k for the full option SL plus with taxes and accessories included
The leaf needs a liquid coolded battery, heat pump, and CCS charging to become relavant.
The higher end trims have a heat pump. I don't know why they haven't added a liquid cooled battery or CCS in Europe and North America yet. It could be a great deal used if you use it as a second car and only charge it at home overnight.
SL+ (the one reviewed) and SV+ have a heat pump.
the lack of innovation in using chademo(for US and European market) is unbeliveable. i mean there are quite a few more gaps in the charging networks if the car has chademo. nothing that makes the car useless in getting from A to B for now but it would be nice to have more options. but than again, the few chademo stations Ionity has are reasonably priced compared to charging at the CCS wo a membership. also, i have a 30kWh and i heard the 40kWh is worse when it comes to rapidgate and even the 30 got quite close to the red last time i drove any real distance w it.
I had a 40kW version, great around town but battery pack heating during DC Fast limits speed and more than one session a day is not practical as speed is 12kW and Turtle mode due to heating.
You should charge at home over night?
Nice review, would probably be advised to use a different word than cheap when speaking of the price versus the quality. It seems to be used interchangeably and it’s kind of confusing and cheap is generally quite derogatory. Suggest in expensive or economical.
At near $40,000...they are getting outclassed by other EVs. The base model with little to no options is the only budget option that I think is worth looking at. Maybe the base Plus, but that is getting close to better options. Once their tax credits start to run out, this is going to be a harder argument even.
No Leaf cost 40k. What are you smoking?
The wall plug is upside down.
Why in the world did they screw up the speedometer!?!? The first gen Leaf had the clearest, easiest to read speedo possible, and they took it away for an analog?!?!? Wtf is Nissan thinking
There are about 5 different speedometer screens you can choose from.
The biggest downfall to this vehicle is the Chademo setup. If they move it to CCS, it would be a great deal.
39k is too $$ for what would cost 17k if an ice.
A New Leaf in two years probably with CCS and Thermal management. There is a Company in NZ starting to refit Old Leafs with Thermal management batteries even an LFP battery Evehanced
Do you have a source? The Leaf is perfectly fine without active cooling.
Early air cooled battery EV's with 100 mi winter weather range are not meant for road trips, never even mentioned in any of the Nissan LEAF marketing materials online or at dealers. They are local city commuter cars that get the best economy at lower speeds when other conventional car engines could not even reach full operating temperature & have the worst cold operating emissions & worst case fuel economy, especially noting that gasoline powered cars get negative fuel economy when parked & idling since they are burning fuel & not moving & fuel injection runs rich fuel air mixes to heat off the catalytic converter. Early battery EV's were cost optimized with costly lithium ion batteries that were way more expensive back in 2009 when Nissan launched the LEAF, which is based on the VERSA platform for cost optimization. LEAF so reliable & long lasting because it does not have an engine or transmission & the EM57+ motor & controller are bang on reliable. Harvesting a pack from a wrecked LEAF means you can get a newer pack for $4000 or $5000 installed that has 96% of initial charge state // I am able to EVSE L1 using an extension cord 12-3 off my outdoor deck ground level apartment from 6pm till 5am and get enough for 40+ miles of daily commuting, very cheap even at $0.20/kWh. L3 charing over CHAdeMO at dealers or elsewhere for 5-20 min also gives me enough charge for all day driving all over the place near Seattle at up to 80 mph / and still gives 3.3-5.3 mi/kWh / an ideal economy car for commuting reasonable distances and does better in stop & go traffic than any ICE vehicle
It will be interesting when Nissan finally creates a MODERN Leaf replacement or updates the Leaf to use modern tech.
The toyota corolla of evs
Car does not have to be innovation. It needs to go from A to B.
Nissan should offer a CCS adapter or full retrofit. It’s crazy that they’re still selling these with Chademo.
There's a rumor of a CCS adapter when the Ariya becomes available. Just a rumor.
@@Hogtown1986 It will remain a rumour. The Chademo protocol differs substantially from CCS. A Dutch company offers a CCS conversion. It costs real folding money.
@@marcg1686 I think Nissan should still offer it at a reasonable rate for those that want it. I know plenty of people that own one that only charge at home so they wouldn't pay for the conversion.
@@lanceareadbhar The Dutch company offering the CCS conversion also offer a 22kW AC conversion, which to my mind makes more sense. I've had my ZE01 for 8 months and it's been my experience that charging from 30 - 80% will result in an average charge rate of 22kWh.
It's a decent car, just the A-pillar that sucks. Reminds me of my Gen3 Prius.
the ariya is the successor
I get sick of hearing about "thermal battery management". If you understand what the car is designed to be used as, medium range car (trip that may require 1 quick charge), it's perfectly fine. And the 2018 till present cars, the batteries degrade VERY little. People always act like everyone road trips, when the reality is..... most people don't. Personally, I RARELY leave town, and have yet to experience "range anxiety"..... and I only have the 40kw version. Teslas are a status symbol, and are good for the very few people who do long road trips.
I also have a 40 kWh version and I can do 3 quick charges without raising the battery temperature into the red zone, just avoid quick charging above 70% or so because that is were most of the heat seems to be generated.
Amen. I do a 200 mile round trip in my Soul EV 2016/30 kwh without any issues. And use it in the city every day!
I sold my beloved 2015 Nissan Leaf this past fall. It had 60k miles on the battery, and still had 100% of the rated range from the factory. The first generation cars had quick degradation, but the 2nd gen “Lazard” batteries don’t seem to have near the same problems.
The battery doesn't degrade as quickly as you think it does and the battery can be repaired if required.
@@marcg1686 This is especially true for the 2018 plus models, but I wouldn't recommend a new battery and just work around the range you have.
leaf is not a Toyota pr prrrr? P.O.S haha.... I can't stay don't make me say it, I LOVE MY LEAF And if I had to go with any car, nope, I'd be walking and biking again! LEAF is great around town car, I do road trips and car shows!! LETS GO!!!
14:12 I want to be creepy I know where you were because I live in Golden haha!
Why a 40K 2022 EV is still using the old charging port? Has Nissan gave up on the leaf?
I think the extra $10k over base model is a lot of money. Sure most of it is battery cost, but they could have done a lot more with the infotainment as speakers. I am not a fan of wireless apple CarPlay either way. Wireless doesn’t sound as good, it’s not as responsive and you phone battery drops faster when being used with CarPlay. People act like leaving a charging cable plugged in for their phone all the time is going to somehow cause harm. CarPlay is great. Don’t worry if it’s wireless or not. Wired sounds better and is more responsive. Stop whining.
Q: Still An Innovation? A: yes, those paying attention know it's equal if not better than even a Tesla Plaid at allowing one to offset the use of gas and $6 per gallon prices (which has always been the point from the very beginning).
The Leaf is about 50% more efficient than a Plaid.
I'm looking for an affordable ev, I really don't like the look of the leaf, I'm waiting for the 25k evs.
if its fwd only youre getting torque steer. maybe other ev's you drive are awd where theres no torque steer.
Leaf is interesting but chademo is a no go for me
Of course I don’t know the amount of driving you do but most people seem to overestimate the amount of DC charging they would require. I have a 40 kWh Leaf, do 2,500 to 3,000 km a month and average only 1 or 2 DC charges a month.
@@gerhardk98 Yeah. I've seen plenty of people that have only DC fast charged once just to learn how it works. For many people, charging at home is all they need. I wouldn't recommend this car to anyone that can't charge at home overnight or plans to use it for any long road trips. Buying this EV and renting a car for any road trips would put you well ahead of the more expensive EVs assuming you don't take road trips often.
I agree with Kyle, without battery thermal management is not acceptable , and with the battery failure rate This car is a definitely a not a good buy as the battery replacement is way too expensive.
You're sounding like one of those conservative commenters on FB. What battery failure rate? The Leaf got the battery issues sorted out in the first years. The Gen 2 has a very strong battery.
That’s absurd that the top trim goes for 39k. That’s what I paid for my 2021 model 3 🥴
even the Hyundai Ioniq 5 do not have USB C ports ...
40k is not a cheap car. Is a cheap offer.
Yeah 40k is not a cheap car. Like others said, with air cooled batter and no CCS. Why are people buying these new?
The base 150 mi range battery and base trim is $28K so minus $7.5k and state incentives could get you under $20k. Not bad.
My S+ after tax credit was 23K...that's as about as cheap as cars get now.
In the UK this may well be a viable EV as long as you can get a home charger fitted (which many people can't). Very limited range - but 90% of us cover small distances here... unlike in the US. A friend has one and he says it fits his needs perfectly.
@@douglasalanthompson My '22 S+ was net 18.5K in Sept '21. Thank you NJ for $5K rebate and no sales tax on top of US $7.5K tax credit. Also lucky enough to buy when Nissan still gave back $3K and TrueCar got me a little off MSRP. Can live with CHAdeMO and passive cooling at my cost.
Still a compliance car.
It was never a compliance car. You do not seem to be all together.
26:00 Missed opportunity to add Tesla stocks on the dashboard. 🤣😂
Compared to a fossil car its still innovative - sure. And its still a perfectly good EV but nowhere near the best and the price is crazy. I don't think Nissan really want to make electric cars now.
Good car, but need 250 Milles range... and then I will buy it. While I am waiting, I will drive Hybrid.
I need a new refrigerator!
"cheap" = trash. "inexpensive" = low cost. Also, at $40k, that is not inexpensive.
We paid 26k for our new Leaf SV. After tax credits it was less than 20k. Shop around for the best deals. Try red states.
How’s that a “cheap” car… more than a superior Bolt EV in every way and has a battery that cooks itself.
Plus versions cost more than Model 3, wth.