Destiny 2: Forsaken - The Review (2018)
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- Destiny 2: Forsaken is Bungie's biggest roll of the dice yet, hoping to salvage their reputation after the disappointing launch of Destiny 2. I've played over 100 hours of the expansion thus far- this is what I think.
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Ok totally off topic the driver in the pepsi vanilla truck is Angel from Dexter lol
Skill Up I think adding masterworks cores to infusion wasn’t a bad idea because know u have to think about what you infuse. Tru there was times i wanted to use a certain weapon but i enjoyed alot of the new one I probably would hv avoided. This will suck for casual players tho.
+Skill Up -- okay, *only* 3 minutes in, I am going out on a limb here because I've followed your reviews long enough to know you *truly* are objective, not a shill as some "professional" gaming websites or addicted UA-camr "Crackstiny" fanboys... I think *this* is going to be again one of the most honest reviews of Destiny's annual Fall sequel/expansion (new viewers, please do see Skill Up's review of "vanilla" Destiny 2, which was *brutal* in its honesty -- but then again, that *was* a crap product, despite many fanboys going into denial...)
The only thing I don't agree with is the masterwork core part I like it now
I enjoyed this Coke documentary
Collab between Skill and monotone complainey guy???
Can never get enough
Me2
Right? Lolo almost whole video is pepsi
Nah. Bepis ftw.
Right? im sitting here watching like df?
it wouldn't be a SkillUp video without a documentary about an entirely different product at the start
Interestingly enough, I feel it translates just as well to BfA. The new WoW expansion is a step back in every regard but it sold incredibly well. Maybe a lot of new players, but veterans are leaving or at least complaining a lot about so little complexity and content.
That's what I'm feeling too. Been playing since Wrath and slowly but surely, the game keeps changing for the worst. WoD was its absolute low point, and BfA the more I think about it is looking like another WoD. I haven't even got the will to level a single character to max yet. The game just doesn't feel fun to play anymore and a large part of it is in its class design being so barebones and boring.
Yes. How very Rachel Maddow, and very well done imo.
Yeah definitely agree, they brought over enough systems from Legion (like D1 to D2) that the initial feel for the game and content was good but it wasn't until you have a longer and more in depth appreciation for the systems where you realize how shallow some of it is or that overall it feels unrewarding.
@@danzthename love me some Maddow
Skill Up: "I'm done with Destiny 2."
Ron Howard: "He wasn't."
Nice meme
This is a good one.
5 minutes into the review, and all he has talked about is Coke and Pepsi
God I love these reviews.
It’s a great comparison
Cayde didn't just die, he was MURDERED.
Oh god don't remind me of that "15 minutes of fame" hack channel. His quality dropped off the side of a mountain and hit every lazy jagged rock on the way down.
Aside from that, good pun tho, so it evens out XD
That...
May be his only ever truly accurate video.
@@theguywhowentthere3346 I've never enjoyed and then like 2 weeks later, abhorred a youtuber in the same way as i did with cleanprince
Staph!!
Damn right he was. A terrible choice by Bungie.
Shoulda added Contains Spoilers for the great Coke, Pepsi war of 1950
That cola war was the dirtiest war. I did 5 tours, Coca-Cola or death!
Francisco Garay I salute you and your service.
“You don’t know man!”
“Your weren’t there!”
free money, just make that first part into it's own video tbh. welcome back.
24:02
@@oofnebro8682 how creatively original mate. Kudos
I mean it's pretty much the destiny version of "Press F to pay respects" at this point.
Yeah, except no one would have said "Press F to pay respects" there because the context wasn't there, just that "Oh it's Datto commenting." In your eagerness to be funny, you butchered the joke.
wu
"The script for this video is 10,000 words and 20 pages long..."
_likes_ _video_
LOL this is literally what I just did. lol
SAME
What if I told you I'm not really interested on Destiny 2 and instead came here for the informational intro ?
I suspect you're not alone
awkward orca lmao. I'm dying lmao
First boats now coke. What’s next?
Same here, don't really give a shit about Destiny anymore.
I predict a condom intro next time, and how Trojan condoms aren’t the way because they busted through the door in history, you don’t want that shit happening to you!
Come to watch a Destiny review, and stay for the documentary on Coke and Pepsi. Dammit Skill Up, never change, this may be one of the best laid out reviews you have created to date. Thank you.
The dumpster-fire called Anthem drove me to finally tryout Forsaken. I wish I would have returned sooner.
Dennis Williamson why not warframe ?
@@acero5194 Personally, whilst I have huge respect for Warframe and its achievements... I just dont like the game. Im a huge looter shooter fan, sunk hundreds of hours into the destiny and division franchises... but something about Warframe just loses me everytime I try to play it. I also really am not a fan of the games aesthetic... I guess its all down to personal taste/preference. I tried it, numerous times. Just not for me.
@@acero5194 Warframe has unsatisfying gameplay and the grind is just ridiculous. Also let's mention the fact that new players will be completely lost for weeks.
@@cosmancho2959 Agree. The movement has no weight to it, you just feel like you are constantly gliding on ice, and the animations feel really weak and "shallow". Hard to describe, really, but I've given Warframe 4 chances, the first one a year after it came out and the last one after Skill Up's review, but it just could not capture me the same way that Bungie's games did.
Should’ve waited a month, gotten Path of Exile and Borderlands
Watching this in 2021 and hearing him say Gambit was his favorite part of Forsaken had me on the floor lol
Why?
@@Marko25Polo Because gambit is now in the worst state it's ever been.
@@AdamSandal83 what happened to it or is there too many things to list
@@XYZ-ql1fi it's a General mix of power creeping. Player build viability. And just the underlying issues with the game mode that are easily exploitable.
Gambit was loads of fun at the start, I hope they can sort it out in witch queen...not holding my breath though.
BEAUTIFULLY PUT
Thanks for the footage bb
hump the review?
Two of my favorite creators!
Keep up the good work.
Mtashed are you upset that there is chaos in the crucible again? Time to start pumping videos of you again asking for nerfs....gg scrub lol
Killz Thief One of his latest videos was literally him saying that he loved the crucible meta lmao what are you talking about
The scripts for these things are absolutely gorgeous. As a graphic designer i've actually looked to them for inspiration on a few projects.
Which script?
Luther D. Strode if you support SkillUp on Patreon at $5 a month or more, you get access to PDFs of his scripts. He works with a graphic designer to create GORGEOUS scripts for all of his major reviews.
The scripts of Kingdom Come: Deliverance and No Man’s Sky are particularly gorgeous.
@@nat040496 really now am extremely interested
You can see a preview of the script at the beginning of the vid :)
Clickbait4 minutes into the video and it is clearly a research paper on coke and pepsi. what the hell.
Modern Gaming I hope you’ve never seen a SkillUp review and watched the whole video. I’m biased as a Destiny fan but man, if you quit before the Coke part ended.., I’m sorry
Then just skip the coke part.
@@Revivalheb it was a joke you melt
PhotonBread dude it’s called sarcasm.
degenerate fanboi complaining lol
Professionally I am an instructional designer and it my opinion that your script writing and use of stories to reinforce your opinions is astounding. As a fan of the Destiny universe, you've blown me away with this piece. This is the first video from you that I've watched but it most certainly will not be the last.
The reviews on your channel are so good i have to order a pizza and open some wine to listen properly, it deserves it! Great job!
Right? I don't know if I was more excited to play the game or for Ralph's review of the game...
I get some food. Because I’m fat. Thanks for enabling.
Your pizza tastes better with coke.
Just did the same but with Mexican food and beer :P
For sure. Along with a few other channels, I like to plopped in the front of the TV and put on some YT
For the first few minutes I was like "where is he going with this?"..then it all tied together brilliantly. I fucking love you Skill Up. Never change your style. You make perfect and in depth videos and your opinion is usually on the pulse of the games you cover. Seriously, just keep up what you are doing.
I’m happy that the game is in a great spot, but there’s three lessons Bungie could’ve learned from this. That could affect the future
1.) Ok, when D3 launches let’s actually make the game good at launch with good, fun, unique content
2.) when D3 launches let’s have 1 new unique gamemode type, like Gambit, and about 25% more content then D2 launch
3.) (sadly the most likely) Hey! What we did with D1 and D2 worked well, let’s do it again
Forcer
The dadd
Forcer Couldn’t agree more. I’m happy with Forsaken, but I’m sad it took so long for the game to hit this spot.
Let's just hope Bungie has learned their lesson by not paying attention to the more lazy, casual, and/or people that are too busy to play destiny 2 as a hobby. And pay more attention to why Destiny was a thing in the first place. Pay attention to the little details on why people buy a MMORPG Loot and shoot base game.
Don’t say sadly, it’s happily, look at what happened when D2 didn’t follow that rule...
@SirCreepsAlott you're trash forcer is big dad
came here for destiny review, stayed for coca-cola/pepsi competition history.
Well you didnt manage to sell me on destiny 2, but you did get me to walk up the road and buy a bottle of coke so you kinda succeeded?
kaching he wins ad money
I'm drinking a Coke while playing lol
This comment!
obviously its a sponsored video by activision,killbill and coca cola
a total sell out
lol
u forgot disney
Cokevision Bill
@ProseColored Glasses Wait you're not joking? You don't know what you're talking about so stop before you embarrass yourself more than you have with that comment.
ProseColored Glasses lol. He mentions price. And he hates on EA. Go watch Laymen Gaming. He always looks in the best in games but have good critiques too.
When Destiny is good its honestly one of the best things out there. When it's bad it's literally the worst. Destiny has no middle ground.
You know something? You're 100% right. Not even trying to joke about that...it's completely true.
@@oz70nyc50 yep for as much of this game I've played and also bit being obsessed with Bungie (never played Halo so their prior work means nothing) that's just what it boils down to. There is hardly anything that can truly compete when this game is firing on all cylinders.
Where's the lie tho
Can’t say you’re wrong.
Such a shame that the initial release of both games so far has been closer to the "literally the worst" side of things, because first impressions have ruined the reputation of both games so much that even if Destiny 3 is Halo 3/Reach levels of great on release it still might not escape the stigma from the general audience who have so far never experienced Destiny when it's good
I literally forgot I clicked on a forsaken review after 3 mins
The little bit at the end is why i sub to you man . Even though you gave all the reasons why this DLC is good you still stuck to your morals when it comes to the monetization. A lesser content creator would have encouraged people to spend that amount of money to get it.
Corn dawg yea his unbiased view is great. Too many people saying that it is worth it but not explaining why and too many people saying it’s complete ass but hadn’t even bought it
exactly
Man, you are the gold standard by which other reviewers should measure the quality of their content. Thoughtful in its approach, thought-out in its structure and thought-provoking in its message, that is what I call a great review.
An IGN review I wouldn't trust, Skill Up I trust. It's a thorough and thought provoking review by some one passionate about gaming. That's why his criticism is valuable whether you agree or disagree.
Taking reviews to another level, the reason why we love SkillUp.
I still can’t give them another $40+ for something they should’ve delivered on launch. I’m not going to reward them for that.
you arent paying for that, all QoL changes are all for free.
What they delivered at launch is what people requested to be in the game in d1. People just have short term memory and forget all the complaints and wants which led to d2.
Your not rewarding anyone XD your just not going to the party 👍
+jmasen07
Everything that was on launch for D2 were things that D1 players complained for. It has more to do with the fact that half the time the player base don't even know what they want from the game, rather than incompetency on the dev's part.
@@viyz7845 that's why devs shouldn't listen to players on everything, they should stick to their design choices and that's how artists work.
ever since i found your channel less than a month ago, i havent stopped watching your reviews.. best in the market. keep it up man.
Hes the best game reviewer & general game journalist on youtube
heck he is one of the best reviewers on here
Finally a review that gives me all the relevant information I was looking for. I was waiting for a review that would convince me it's worth buying Forsaken, but all reviews so far were lackluster on information beyond the campaign...
Now I know all I need to know. It seems worth buying, but ultimately I decide against it. At this point I just don't feel like supporting Bungie anymore for getting it wrong at first again, just to fix shit 1 year down the line for almost triple the prize of the original game...I quit with CoO, cause it felt exactly like the shit they pulled with D1 once again...and now I'm just fed up. I'd rather spend my money on games where the devs get it right from the start, or at least don't expect me to pay triple just to finally get an enjoyable experience...I'm done with Destiny for good, no sequels for me, same when D3 comes...just not interested anymore.
But a huge thank you to Skill Up to finally give me a review on Forsaken that had all the info I was looking for.
Wow, this is almost exactly how I feel about it. I would like to play some after Skillies review (which was awesome btw!), but another full priced game on top of the core game to finally play a good game is absurd. If Bungee would get their shit together and let us purchase all together for the current price, they would win back way more players imo (including me).
With psn share I could play the entire game for merely adding 14$ to the pot (5 friends+me sharing). However, after what happened.... I do not want to go back to Destiny. Even if the price isn't this big for me personally.
So you already have D2 and the osiris expansion...how do you figure it would cost you an additional $180 to get Forsaken?
@@adb24850 I said triple the prize of the original as the overall price, not additional. Having just CoO makes it even worse btw, cause the PS Store won't let you buy the discounted Season Pass, which was cheaper than a single DLC and then on top Forsaken, when you can get the whole bundle for 60 bucks. Bungie is basically punishing everyone who was dumb enough to buy the base game.
It's like you took the words right out of my mouth. They just don't deserve it.
BY FAR the best reviewer on UA-cam. This was so well thought out and creative and spoke directly to the burnt fans that were lost shortly after D2s launch.
It makes you feel like destiny
Man oh man, revisiting all your Destiny reviews while I've gone back to Lightfall after years of not playing, and it's wild just how in love with Gambit you were here, and how quickly that changed after Bungie basically abandoned the mode and made changes for the worse.
The Luke Smith part almost brought me to tears. I literally got goosebumps. I was so into the story and didn’t care how it was related to Destiny and then boom. Everything made sense. Thank you
I agree, but let us also remember that Luke Smith tried to justify shit like the new shader system through microtransactions, instead choosing to say that people must love grinding the raid to get shaders. He's guilty of supporting the shit Bungie is doing just as much as anyone else.
I mean, what else was he supposed to say? "I think this is BS, but what can you do huh?"? He was the game director and figurehead. I don't think he can openly disagree with the company's/publisher's decisions.
Very true, Parker. Let us, also, not forget the Eurogamer interview, with Luke Wilson, where he said that if Bungie brought out new emotes that people would be throwing money at the screen to get them. He knows how gullible and naive people are, because of the Bungie name attached to the game...so why not take advantage of that, right? I still say that too many people have Stockholm Syndrome (well a form of it), because no matter how many times the dev/publisher (Activision) lies and screws gamers over and over that people will just forgive them and continue to give them a pass and fork over more money for a fucking $40 expansion. It's sad that it took a year for Bungie to get Destiny 2 to a completed state...or to the level of Destiny 1.
@@LordTepes81 you realize the interview thing was a joke, right? Do you know who Luke Smith is? Do you even know Bungie from the Halo days?
Jonathan Parker he has to tow the company line lol he cant go against it. Thats like 101 common sense lol
God, I miss Forsaken
I was really hesitant to spend a good $39.99 + tax on a game I didnt have a lot of faith on. Expansion goes on sale for $34.99 plus tax. I was really blown away by the beautiful zones, the interesting campaign, the fun exotics and endgame...
This is the expansion that's kept me playing Destiny 2 to this day, and have even gotten me to give Destiny 1 another chance.
Here I am now, having preordered Lightfall Deluxe...
This expansion is one of my favorite DLCs in all of gaming. I hate that this expansion got sunset and will never forgive Bungie for it
I know im late to this party but was feeling nostalgic but wanted to say. Your explanation for caydes death makes perfect sense. The loss of such an iconic person sucked but to think that means things are gonna get serious really lit a fire. I'm a hardcore destiny player and with new info on where d2 is going now. The story feel so much more compelling then ever and that's what I love. It is the perfect time to bring back the moon. I hope some feel the same and understand the magnitude of mystery and darkness to come. With free to play coming among the many other amazing changes I hope no one skips this incredible experience.
If you don't mind me asking over the last 11 months how has your opinion shifted on Destiny 2? I personally after being gone since warmind I'm adoring destiny 2 in its current state
They still haven't brought back the Sparrow horn though >_>
Spoilers be damned. I've been waiting for this review since Forsaken's launch to determine whether or not it is worth my hard earned money. Thank you for being the most comprehensive, gamer focused reviewer on the PLANET. You have a way of putting my exact feelings into eloquent words that I could never match. Your opinion is the one I value the most among all others.
Now, let's get started and see if I should return to the world I once loved!
It's not worth it nearly 200$ for a product that should have been there at launch
To put it simply, its worth it if you are a fan of Destiny. If you were on the fence in the past, maybe not.
@@pcov7692 I'm a fan of Destiny and would not recommend it to anyone unless they bought the previous two fucking shitty DLCs
+NxTH Maybe you should delete yours and not be a toxic fanboy. Get a life.
I played up to Warmind, because I had the season pass. I was so done with the game, I just totally quit at Warmind. I ended up giving it another shot with this update, and so far - I'm a lot happier. I feel like I will keep playing this, compared to old D2.
As for spoilers, the funny thing is that Bungie spoiled Cayde's death in their initial ads. So weird. I will miss Cayde, as a Nathan Fillion fan, I really don't know what character can step up to replace Cayde.
Video starts at 00:00
Edit: Sorry, it actually starts at 00:01
Thanks, I was really confused. 😂
actually it starts at 8:59 you schouldve known that!
I thought it started at 55:44
Dark no it starts at 24:02
This is the important part:
55:04
When we respond by saying:
Until the next expansion, or like history repeating itself, a year and a half from now when Destiny 3 comes out. Calling it now.
I love the actual detail in the review. It touches on every aspect of the game and not just rush over them as many mainstream reviewers tend to do just to get their reviews out there, i.e. the raid. It's this level of detail that I love Skill Up for.
When the masterwork core infusion issue was brought up, that's when I knew this is someone who has definitely invested time into the game and understands the nuances within.
He didn't mention how it was unnecessary to change the way you get clan XP from Hawthorne. Now it forces you to do PvP. I hate PvP in all games, but now I have to sit in there getting my ass kicked for 50 minutes a week.
it's a shame IHE doesn't have the balls to do the same
@@carcassgames1537 he didn't participate in the side content much so his opinion wouldn't be really credible
My favorite weapon from Destiny 1 was Red Death. When I got this gun I knew it was my favorite exotic and I used it ALL the time.
Flash forward to Destiny 2 where Crimson has been introduced. I immediately recognized it and sought it out but gave up after months of grinding. Forsaken brought me back to the game and during a Scourge of the Past run I got an exotic world drop from a Servitor which was super awesome in itself...then I picked it up and it was Crimson. This blew my mind and that feeling reminded me of the good ol days of farming on Destiny 1. It was awesome. I then went on using Crimson all the time just like Red Death and earned a catalyst for it in crucible. Then a couple days ago I went and got an ornament for Crimson from Tess Everis, completing my Crimson.
I'm happy I came back to Destiny.
SIR JORAH OF HOUSE EDZ HAS THE BEST TEA IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM, I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW
I just can't come back. Not anymore. I've given Bungie so many chances and so much of my money. More than some of the companies that didn't disappoint me HAVE EVER ASKED FOR. I just realise that I can only give so many chances before, "we fixed it now, after you've sunk a few hundred bucks in the franchise" isn't enough anymore.
Same boat, I just can't keep rewarding Bungie shit behavior with more money, they broke my heart and my wallet and I just can't go back.
I don't blame you.
Zach F crickets
Then dont.
ZaLewdWarudo Do you want a medal?
I forgot it was even a Destiny review when he did the short documentary on coke and pepsi
Honestly I was so invested in the "Coke vs Pepsi" segment that I was genuinely caught off gaurd when he started talking about Destiny again.
All I got to say is. Dlc cost 40 bills after I already bought the game with the 2 other dlc's on dayb1
Danielus Drachenberg with any game you can spent large amounts of money. The minimum is $60 if you haven’t bought the game. I understand that you don’t wanna buy it because it costs a lot, but you can’t deny that the game is at a VERY good spot. It’s just fact, and no matter how you feel it’s the best that destiny 1 or 2 has ever been. It’s not a maybe playable game it’s a very good game.
This is the first UA-cam gaming video I have watched from start to finish in years and its 55 mins! What a masterclass in gaming content
Check out Joesph Anderson’s videos
Damn man. I don't mean to make a snobby back handed comment but there are times when I have thought "ok Skill up....where are you going with this?" But you always find a way to make very clear & detailed points and I appreciate it. This was fantastic. You're a very pleasant and polite guy but a harsh critic & its clear you see gaming in a mature and yet reasonably romantic light. I think its so easy to score points for infantilizing this blending of art and hobby. I think youre one of the few voices in gaming commentary or whatever who has a vision for this subculture that can move it forward.
If someone was called to defend gaming in the public eye I would pick you because I think you see its flaws but see its beauty too. I think you should consider making a piece on gaming in a broader context.
google, how to like a comment twice
I’ll never forget the day this video dropped. I was ecstatic that ShillUp thought this was worth the purchase, not even to mention how excellently and flawlessly written this video is. This video set the bar for reviews I watch and I can’t say thank you enough. The Forsaken content getting sunset this year makes me very sad but it is so cool to see Destiny continue to grow into its own thing away from Activision. If it weren’t for this Australian schmuck I wouldn’t still be hopping on lfg websites. Destiny 1 was a game I loved like no other and Destiny 2 was quite the opposite. SkillUp brought me back and I cannot say thank you enough.
I love you forsaken, I’ll never forget you.
"I saw your Pepsi Review" -Steve, Digital Extremes-
God roll of reviews
As usual, you don’t just review... you inform, create a debate and instill both a sense of joyous wonder and critical observation of the subject. This why I keep coming back to your reviews and it wouldn’t be possible where it not for your attention to detail and the obvious production value you present. Thank you for this review and others to come. Now... back to the grind and beat that raid!
This review convinced me to buy Destiny 2, will download overnight and play tomorrow, looking forward. I already bought one game after you recommended it in a review of yours and logged 200 hours easily and it was such a great time I had with it, The Division. Thank you for all these thoroughly researched reviews you've put together already, looking forward to your reviews on everything that come out in 2019. I honestly think that the gaming community is better off with people like you who dedicate their time and efforts in providing us with information and unbiased reviews and opinions. You've made it a full time job now and that bravery should be rewarded and I'm happy to see that all your patreons are supporting you on this journey. I just recently jumped onboard with a fiver each month, because a) you're awesome and b) I want those sweet review scripts. :)
Thank you again for what you're doing!
how has destiny 2 been?
It must feel great reading these comments! The people love you Skill up 😃
I discovered this channel not too long ago, from random clicking of recommended videos and I must say this is now the only review channel I trust. Having watched your reviews of the games I have played, I realized I had the same exact experience with what you are saying. The only thing I dont like about this channel is the wait for new uploads. :)
Ok Skill Up nice coke metaphor but where’s my boat metaphor?
Nathan Fetter it’s coming, but it’ll take a while for it to turn our way.
Damnn this was one of the best reviews I've ever seen, thank you! As much as I despise some of the poor decisions Bungie have made, and the way Destiny 2's first year went.. I will always have a soft spot for them and high hopes for the future.
God I am old. I remember the New Coke disaster and return of "Coke Classic". I turned to Dr. pepper for comfort and never changed again.
Have you also moved from Destiny to Warframe?
Wtf mate? Alright, what system are you on? Playing games with gramps would be fuckin sweet.
Pay an extra 40. Plus whatever the first two dlc are. To get a complete game.
a game that's like no other. it's a rip off, it's disgusting, its unbelievable. but destiny, is the only sci fi fantasy mmo lite, with some of the best gunplay out there. bludgeon my pocket, but it's the only drug to fill its hole.
Actually...do your research. You can get the base game + all 3 DLC's for 60$..
@@equinnosia4976 no..not at all lol
@@meekverde4750 after a year, which is a slap for those who support the game from day one, and don't start with "it's their fault for buying on day one" because if no one buys it on release we won't hear anything about destiny 2, not even curse of osiris will be mentioned
Meek Verde think before you comment. Im obviously talking about people who bought it day one or early.
Your videos never cease to amaze me with how beautifully and masterfully they're written. You give such honest, well thought out criticism as well as always point out the good things and give credit where credit is due. You're honestly my favorite UA-camr and I immediately watch your videos as soon as they pop up in my notifications.
Keep up the amazing work, Ralph.
Cheers mate
This has to be one of the best reviews i have seen. Great job keep up the work
Was anyone else just waiting for this review after the dlc came out? I’ve been watching and using UA-cam for almost 10 years now and I’ve never come across someone so capable of immersing me in their reviews. You should feel very proud of what your channel has become, these are superb.
It is a testament to your skills that your reviews are often better than the producs you are reviewing. This goes double for Destiny. I taught a course on academic writing and one of the lessons I taught was to begin an essay with an anecdote, because intriguing historical and personal accounts will spark the reader's interest far more than a dry introduction. Awesome job.
My final thoughts on Forsaken have however not changed: regardless whether or not Forsaken is good, can it ever be $180 good? Cause that's how much most had to pay to access Forsaken...
I'm still not about to buy a bunch of garbage just so I can be allowed to purchase something good afterwards.
Your absolutely right because you shouldnt have to. In fact in a game informer rapid fire questions video the asker said "do i have to own the previous 2 dlcs to play forsaken?"
Bungie: yes.
Bungie: its too ensure players have the best experience possible.
Bungie: But you dont have to play them.
Now my thoughts.
Me: hmm its like your aware we know the first 2. dlcs were bullshit and you know by word of mouth people would only buy the $40 dollar dlc to make everything better and not bother with the first 2 $20 dlcs.in an attempt to squeeze out another $40 from the player.
Bungie: no comment
I'd like to say my experience with destiny 1 and how it shaped me, when I started playing it was this world of wonder when forsaken king dropped and the community was at its peak. I joined this clan who were international and we would stay up till 4am to play together with our American clan members. We made a ton of friends and we stuck by talking even years later playing other games. These people helped me through the hardest times and helped me recover from personal issues. I used to be quite a loner and didn't do much outside of work, these guys made this world to life. More than the mechanics that define destiny the community defines it, the wonderful men and women who play this game start clans and connect with people. Due to the sad server state with Destiny 2 I couldn't play with these people with then led me to stopping. However I am grateful for all the hilarious memories we had playing in the first game, the nervousness when playing trials together, the hillarity of everyone dying and one player carrying the team till all of us could respawn, the first time playing a raid in any game, the first exotic engram drop. If I had to say anything that would 100% make this game from a good game to a great game is the community, the community defines and is a testament to all people playing, sharing and working towards a goal, the goal for endgame loot and the fashion in the end. Not sure if anyone will read this, but share your experiences if you like.
Excellent review. Just finished watching it in its entirety and your eloquence and exemplary effort is unmatched yet again. Well done.
So impressed with this review. Not because I am a Destiny fanboy because I most certainly am not. It is just a superbly structured and well presented piece of work. Exceptionally good review.
Unfortunately for me, I just cannot justify the purchase of this expansion. I don't go in for the whole Bungie hurt me, I'll never trust them again schtick. They owe me nothing and I owe them nothing. We weren't in a personal relationship, there is nothing for them to repair for me to get back in bed with them.
It's just the price of entering this expansion which will never sit right with me. It is money gouging at best and extortionate at worst. It's up there with loot boxes as something that I will never contribute to.
Good work on bringing Destiny 2 back to Destiny 1's level of potential engagement but the admission price is just not worth it.
@RWB 3vil for people that don't care you both have an awful lot to say on the matter. Stop complaining and go buy it you know you want too 😂
Yea but...it is worth it lol. If you like destiny then this is the best version of the game to date. I’ve already put 100+ hours into forsaken and plan on many more. That in itself is worth the $40
@COUEPATROOPA you're willing to spend almost the price of a full game on an expansion?... even if you enjoyed it I find that ridiculous. Your principles are fallible. This expansion isn't even half of the content d2 dropped with. You saying you enjoyed it making it worth the price of more than half of a full price game is what is enabling the devs to the the same shit expansion after expansion. D1 did the same thing with a series of shitty expansion and one overpriced expansion which somehow redeems the whole game. And here are people like you enabling the same cycle of bullshit. This isnt redemption for D2 nor is that actually worth that price tag. Get them to stop this crap and focus on actually making something good from the get go and not recycling pre-launch development as dlc.
@@couepatroopa5014 no expansion should be worth $40. They're making a habit of releasing half assed games then fixing it a year later for almost the full price of the game. I'm surprised how people are encouraging these practices, I don't want this to be the norm.
@@DeathWish92
I didn't say I don't care. I played Destiny 1 & 2 and the thought of playing a vastly improved Destiny 2 does appeal to me but never at the cost they are charging.
Not for the price, not paying for someone's mistakes.
This was expertly written and downright inspirational! I'm new to Destiny, and have very little experience with MMOs. Being a PC gamer, I never got to play Destiny 1. I picked up Destiny 2 shortly after release. I enjoyed myself, but got tired of it. Once Forsaken dropped, a friend of mine- who's a Destiny super fan- told me that "Destiny was great again". and I didn't know what he meant by that. From the moment I dropped back in, I felt like this was what I should have been playing all along. Especially the part where you can have shotguns and snipers not in heavy slot. Seriously, that completely changed everything for me, lol. I was taking another break from Destiny, but after watching this... well, it's back to the last city for me.
And destiny 2 came out at the same time as Trump was president. I guess he didn't just make america great again, he made destiny great again. Wow, what a guy, he got my vote next election.
Jesus, it feels like I just watched Planet Earth. You just sit back at the end just think. Well done @Skill Up
Bagakoo I know right! It’s so well made.
Hands down the best reviews on UA-cam. Keep up the good work.
All my friends left destiny 2, I returned with Forsaken, loved what I played so far but it's this review that seals the deal for me. Time to dedicate fully to this game.
I'm happy for Destiny players but unfortunately this will continue to encourage publishers to hack away at the base game only to give it back to us either at a price or under the ruse of free future content. Take BFV for example, they are advertising the Tides of War future content more than the actually content in the release version.
Frankie Bruan The difference is, that in the case of BFV the DLC will be free.
It's still a shady business practice, we already know with SWBF2 that they hacked up the base game and gave it back as "free content".
I so sick of people always claiming dev cut content with no evidence to back said claim. Either put up or shut. I swear every gamer thinks they are a dev and know exactly what it takes to make a game
Wait they gave back the base game? Didn't realise a couple maps were all that was missing from the base game.
BFV should not even interest you at launch, shame Bungie all you want but EA are on a whole other level of disrespect to their consumer. If SWBF2 is any indication of what is to come, the free dlc might as well not even exist. Only AAA title that did free dlc right was Titanfall 2. And objectively speaking, designing a map for a game like Battlefield takes much more time than for a game like TF. My point is, do not expect a new map with 4 new guns every month, it just ain't gonna happen.
UA-cam then recommends "Why I hate forsaken", just to go full circle.
How much Pepsi pay you for this shillup this is why the laymen is better
First it was big boat metaphor now it's Pepsi, Shill Up be shilling hard
I hope youre joking
I don't know why I care enough to watch a review of a game I'm never going to support again. One of my favourite youtubers used to say there's no such thing as "too little, to late" in gaming. Well, to me that's obviously not the case. I'm done with the liars at Bungie who would prefer to release a get-rich-quick scheme Destiny 1.5 instead of a proper sequel, and then repeat every mistake they did with the original, adding new ones on top of it. But, hell - if anyone still enjoys it - more power to you. I'm glad someone can.
Well done video though. Obviously you poured a lot of work into it.
Absolutely ^_^
Same
So I started watching laymen first. Never watched your own channel before. Awesome and professional review my man. 👍
oi, so this m9 gots a stiff woggler for smart boi and not just thicc boi
Bro. I love you. Not only for the detailed the information but the time the dedication the fluidity of your segments
I understand your name now, because brother you are on another level. There is not a reviewer out there that is able to more clearly display such an astounding dedication to this job, from the quality put forth in the video (not to mention the beautiful limited edition scripts) to interweaving stories like Coke and WoW. There is eloquence in delivery, and a passion that doesn’t dare sugar coat an ounce of the final product. Furthermore, you not only give us a summary opinion of your impressions of the game, but all of the tools needed to decide for ourselves how we personally feel about the product value. What you get from Skill Up is the unrivaled gold standard of what a review should be, and I look forward to seeing more of his work. You’ve gained a supporter in me.
I'm always in awe of how much work you must put in for such a detailed video of this length. As usual, top notch work. Genuinely impressed and appreciate your dedication to quality. Destiny is in a great place now and I also appreciate you giving an objective review of what it is right now.
"We finnaly have a Real Sequel"?
So... its at the state of Destiny 1 after The Taken King?
Destiny at launch: 0.5v
Destiny After TTK: 1.0v
Destiny 2 at launch: 0.2v
Destiny 2 after Forsaken: 1.1v
Destiny 3 (if it ever happens) will follow the same formula, wont it?
Yes, most likely.
I doubt it. The casuals won’t buy 3, and everyone who’s playing forsaken will be the people playing 3, so they’ll cater to them more than not if they’re smart
The problem with both Destiny 1 and 2 is that the development of these games was reset just one year before the release of these games.
Destiny 1 was to be a more linear, story-driven game but they completely reworked it into a non-linear game that became vanilla D1.
Destiny 2 started development around when The Taken King came out and the initial goal was to have all the existing worlds and build on top of that with some new locations, but a year in they decided to scrap that and just build completely new worlds, and rework they game to become more mainstream.
Als, there was very little communication and merging in of features added to D1 from the “live team” over to de D2 team, which is why many improvements that had been made to D1 after launch were never implemented in D2 at launch.
I assume Destiny 3 development is already well underway by now (probably led by the D2 team led by Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy).
I have heard that they have improved communication between teams so they’ll probably not make the same mistakes again.
Third time is a charm, right?
I think we can all agree infusing is bullshit now
Alwin Garside Unfortunately, assuming the 3/final game might correct the mistakes of the previous entries won’t matter. They’ve already gotten players to invest hundreds of dollars based on faith alone and never actually delivered the game promised so many years ago.
IHE: What is this video?
Skill Up: It's yours, but better.
JakeSpacePirate E I hate everything’s video was so full of arrogance and ignorance that it was difficult to watch
@@mike-0451 IHE : I Hate everything what did you expect?
XakuraZtar I expected no review at all. If he needs to lie to make the game look bad then he shouldn’t have bothered. The fact that he had to literally make shit up to make it sound bad was just pathetic.
@@mike-0451 Yea ik i'm just joking with you
@@StarXsu90 ok now I feel and look like a dickhead
First thing, incredible video, I and all fans appreciate your incredible work on these videos. Especially the time and effort that goes into it. Much love.
I personally will not buy this because I am sick and tired of these kinds of these company and game practices. I will not support a company that shoves a full price game out too early and then makes you spend 100+ dollars to get it to be enjoyable. It was barely ok in Destiny 1 and is for sure not acceptable in the sequel. Bungee please, I’ve put hundreds of hours into Destiny 1 and now you are destroying your longtime fans even more with this repeat of an old problem. I know that Bungee can’t do a whole lot more for old fans now with D2 but I hope for a better company in the future. And just to add on this all goes for Activision as this is equally if not more their fault. I will always have hope for this series in my heart.
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Holy crap, thank you for all the likes!!
I think too much optimism is being put onto Bungie killing off Cayde. I feel like that narrative decision was based more on not being able to get Nathan Fillion than it was a commitment to seriousness.
Eric F did u play the game?
@@williamzhang4120 I watched a play through and am halfway through my own campaign
Eric F did you play the d1 campaign?
Yep
Great review but one issue - Masterworks were added prior to Warmind in the December 2017 update. Cheers!
Imma be honest, you're the reason why I played Warframe,
and 8 months ago the reason why I played Destiny 2.
Even though Destiny 2 had a rough time, it came back. And
I'll be hyped for the next expansion.
So moral of the story is, *if* you buy a Destiny game, always wait until year 2 for them to fix everything, have all the content in the game, and get it at a reasonable price? Sounds about right... ;)
Seriously though, as always a fantastic and thorough review. Don't know if you'll see this, but random question: Were you aware it doesn't always take Masterwork Cores to infuse up? If it's an exotic being fused into a legendary there is no MC cost, and if it's the exact same weapon (in other words, a higher Better Devils into a lower; but better rolled; Better Devils, there is also no MC cost?
Shannon Shifflett Oh, this moral it's not limited to Destiny alone: from my point of view, Tom Clancy: The Division is on the same boat. Will Division 2 and Anthem join the crew?
That was my experience with D1 for sure. I did not buy the game until a short time after TTK released .
I got to avoid the entire first year of a broken and frustrating game that so many people suffered through .
After my experience with D1 I decided to take a wait and see approach for D2.
I am glad I did.
D2 did nothing to expand on D1.
I was hoping and expecting it to work towards the early development promises of D1.
Open world environments and stuff like that.
Once I realized D2 was going to be D1.5 at best, I decided to take a hard pass on D2.
Seems like that was the right choice for me to make.
D2 looks like it has been an even bigger fiasco than D1 was in Y1 .
@Eric Storm: Yes, but Destiny has shown an actual *pattern* with doing the *exact* same thing with a sequel. Those other series have not (yet). But yes, it would be wise to learn from what Destiny has done and don't be an idiot and pre-order stuff due to hype. (Also, though not as criminal as the D2 ghost town of content, *many* games follow this basic model by releasing a 'GOTY/Complete Edition' one year later with all the DLC (in other words, all content.) So actually it's a pretty common practice with many game companies nowadays.
@Raifsevrence: Yeah, my comment is written in humorous sarcasm, but laced with complete truth. Of course Bungie isn't exclusive in this basic practice, as it's a pretty common method to release a 'GOTY/Complete' edition with all DLC a year later for many games. The difference is many games feel like a fairly complete experience, and with the GOTY/Complete editions it just feels like an extended more filled out experience, unlike D1/D2, which felt shallow and empty, more like half a game, wherein the DLC made it complete, not just extended the experience.
@@ericstorm8277 Anthem looks like it could be a lot of fun. Hopefully it isn't plagued by the same issues Destiny has had.
Massive/Ubisoft take note. Everything Bungie did, do the opposite for Division 2's launch. Don't make us wait a whole year and have to spend more money to get the experience we should get day 1.
The Division already had to go through this once. They shelved the plan for more DLC, and fixed their game for free, and only after that they started releasing DLC again. Bungie is the scummiest of them all.
@@wngmv Just because Massive went through the same thing with Division 1 doesn't mean that they won't repeat the same mistakes with Division 2, hence my comment.
ACTIVISION IS NO LONGER OUR ENEMIE bungie rules alone
Destiny is now great again, but for how long? I think we got the answer! So pumped.
You mean Shadowkeep? Yeah, it looks pretty fucking awesome.
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Skill Up has better tea than Devrim Kay - Change my mind.
Devrim Kay steals tea from fallen
even though the game should have released like this
yeah
I honestly don't care too much about "Destiny"... but I came here for your eloquence, your carefully selected choice of words (non-native English speaker here...), your style of presenting, your style of editing your videos, your way of structuring the information you want to present. And I was not disappointed, this video was a joy to watch and to listen to. You have no idea in how many horrible meetings and presentations I have been in my life (me: IT guy). Makes me wish more people would watch your videos; they could learn a thing or two. :)
Love the fact I remember watching all these commercials, thanks for the Nostalgia and awesome Review. Although I'm not going back to Destiny after a disappointing start but that's why I'm not here... Anyways Thanks for the video, keep rocking dude, can't wait to see the tutorial videos for "The Division 2" and hopefully we get what they promised!!
I still won't get this because not only is this what D2 should have been from the start instead of a year later but more importantly I don't see this as a "THEY FIXED IT SO LETS FORGIVE AND FORGET" thing. Seriously this reminds me of what happened with D1 too much. Just like back then the Taken King and Rise of Iron were great and Forsaken and whatever will come after it will probably also be but what about D3? I am not gonna trust Bungie for shit just because they did 1-2 DLCs right. That is FAR too little and WAY too late. If they realise D3 and it won't be like D2, so a bare bones game with all the good stuff ripped out to be resold as DLC, then I will start to give them some trust.
If there were Oscars-like awards for UA-cam reviewers, then you would win one for sure. Cannot express enough how excellent your content is.
Only the OG’s will remember how OP the Gjallarhorn was in Year 1 D1
I love your use of story telling to make your points and take us through he journey of your thoughts. I love your honesty and is clear that you review this pragmatically but still, through the eyes of a fan. Brilliant, thank you.
What to do when you want people to pay you money for a sequel and its expansions, but only have enough new ideas to constitute a small expansion for your current game?
1. Announce a sequel
2. Hype it up
3. Strip features and mechanics from it making it even less than the original game was
4. Sell it
5. Make two "garbage expansions"
6. Make a big expansion, bringing back everything good you had in the original game while adding those few new ideas you had
7. Sell it full price, while forcing people to buy previous two garbage expansions
8. Repeat it with Destiny 3
They somehow saved this franchise twice,not gonna happen for a third time tho
@@Ad-zu8bt Agreed. The content is starting to regress. It seems the hubris has returned to Bungie, thinking they are "safe" to make old mistakes again, doubling down on dumb mistakes and gates to content. Without the funding of Activision, these mistakes will cost the game as a whole.
Hell, they don't even have the cash to pay for VA's now. Everything in Season of Drifter (if it wasn't pre-recorded last year) is text based. How the shit do they think this is acceptable?
@@Magus_Union So you've heard of the new announcements right?
@@jeremychen5602 I've seen them. Most of SoO loot is either reskinned random rolls for D2 Y1 loot, or existing "good" loot that players can farm after in order to augment their loadouts.
The Steam announcement alone gave me a much better faith in this franchise. I'm still pessimistic by nature, so I hope Bungie doesn't get lazy. However, a lot of evidence from these recent interviews reveals that Activision was indeed hamstringing the franchise since inception, and Bungie is making the right plays to save their game for the community that loves it.
I don't care if Shadowkeep is a rework/reskin of the Moon. I think there were a lot of D1 assets that were needlessly abandoned on D2 launch and should be apart of the game now. As an exclusive PC player, I'd love to see those areas/strikes again, but in the higher qualities my machine can provide.
OMFG, an intelligent gamer. Preach brother. If only the majority of ppl could see this shit is status quo or some other squeeze ever dime from the "consumer" plan, we would have a ton of good games like back in the day. i literally quit a while ago. MIIIIGHT come back for Cyberpunk. But look around. The selection is laughable.
YES! I've been waiting for this!! Beautiful review as always.
"Yes, Forsaken fixed Destiny. Destiny is now great again, but for how long?". That gave me chills it did mate!
Straight to my favorites!
It is nice that skill up actually gives a thoroughly researched and properly written reviews on UA-cam instead of just writing some shitty half baked review just to get clicks. It shows loyalty and respect for your work instead of focusing on money and notarization it shows true belief in your thoughts. It is nice to see a person who listens to their consciences then be another cookie cutter slave to the machine.