Aurelius Dumbledore SOLVED | Harry Potter Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to discuss the grand reveal at the end of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald about Credences “true” identity as Aurelius Dumbledore… or is it?
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But Harry and Voldemort saw Dumbledore's body, so he couldn't have turned into a phoenix
#meirl when I try to get back in my work clothes.... no wait
Wow everything fits perfectly!
@@LaviArzi Well I think its more like.. a phoenix is born when a Dumbledore dies..
So when the baby came back from the depths of the ocean, it truly was a Credence Clearwater Revival!
This comment exudes brilliance. I am dying 🤣🤣🤣
Why does this not have more likes!!!
Well... salt water lol
Take my upvote and leave
@@ophirwesley4424 I'll see myself out 😆
Sometimes I don’t understand the theories, but I still love them. I’ve been on an SCB binge lately, and I just wanna say thank you for the videos! They always cheer me up. Thank you J and Ben!
Thanks for watching!
I have been on a binge since i started watching their channel. Like last week.
I didn’t understand this one either but I still enjoyed it too.
I understand your thoughts with sometimes not understanding the theories. That's why I'm my main post I suggested maybe a big diagram with picture and points with strings attaching stuff. So people like us can fallow along and fallow the connection points and help piece it together in our minds. Do you think that would also help you if something like that was added in?
@@trevorjepson6682 that would literally be so helpful
While this all sounds fun, I think the line from Queenie says it all. “He doesn’t think he made the right choice.” Grindlewald needs to tell him something to get him on his side and he knows that creedance is unsure of who he is. It’s a perfect lie to get what he wants.
Well,its a lie that wouldnt have any impact on Credence, coz he has no idea who Dumbledore is,until that point
I totally agree. Although I LOVE the insane possibilities, trying to force Credence into a Dumbledore steals all credibility from the movie.
It undermines the situated lore from the books.
Leave it as a lie from a phenomenally seductive villain, and build upon that.
To make him a Dumbledore seriously ruins the continuity of the lore.
Also, with Queenie being a mind reader, she probably heard Credence thinking about what Leta Lestrange told him - she could then pass on the information to Grindlewald...
@@tom-nb7dk I mean, Snapes reason for killing Dumbledore was a cliffhanger based on a lie. So not really.
@@tom-nb7dk I never thought he was evil personally. I also never thought Credence was actually a Lestrange. So for me I don't see it that way. I also don't think it's a lie though.
I personally liked your earlier theory that Flemel n Dumbledore used the philosopher stone to try to create a body for Ariana but instead created a baby boy (Credence). It fit perfectly
Can we just ignore these Movies
and get more Harry Potter Theorys
for the Age of Harry.Timithy.Johnny.Potter,
as his full name is?
That one makes much more sense than the one in this video here
I agree! I think that theory fit far better and was more of a 🤯 moment (especially the Stone turning metals to gold and the name auralius, that kind of word play feels like a very JK Rowling thing to do)
@@slevinchannel7589 who tf is timithy
@@slevinchannel7589 its Harry Timothy Jimothy actually. Get it right buddy.
Let me get this straight. You're saying that the phoenix gene comes from Kenda's side of the family. Because how else would the real Aurelius be considered to be a Dumbledore if Percival wasn't his father? I thought Kendra was muggle-born though? Was she a Dumbledore before she married, too? And how do you think Kendra's epitaph “Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” fit into that theory?
And who is to say that Grindlewald did not see the swap?
That's what I was thinking. The saying is that a Phoenix appears to a Dumbledore, but Kendra isn't a Dumbledore by blood
You make a good point, Grindelwald is a seer so he might or might not have knowledge of the swap. That occurred to me too as I was listening.
this need more up vote cuz this huge hole in the theory
Yes exactly. The fact that Corvus IV would want to marry a Dumbledore to produce a wizard as strong as Albus doesn't make sense if he married Kendra since she wasn't a Dumbledore by blood and also she was a muggle-born! The Lestranges are probably even more crazy when it comes to blood purity and Corvus IV was the heir to his family so he certainly would not marry a muggle-born no matter what. Also, we know that Clarisse Tremblay is Corvus IV' first cousin. This theory is a pass frome me
What if the swaped one was Ariana and the mother was kill because she was a witness ? What if Ariana was Credence mother ?
The most surprising part of the video is when Jay says that it's been 4 years
Haha yeah
Because it's not true, as the all knowing text says it's been 3
Maybe 4 since Crimes trailer and they first spoke about this movie?
You clearly weren't watching the video. It said 3
@@tfahad2051 the OP isn’t specifically referring to the 3 or 4 year mistake, simply the points it’s been that long since the last film. Major franchises don’t take that long between films, yeah chalk a year up for the pandemic but still 2 years is long and last I heard the third movie won’t come out till 2023? That is the shocking point.
You guys can make anything sound believable at this point, but I'll stick with the theory that Credence really is Ariana's Obscurus made human with the Philosopher's Stone. It's just too perfect.
@Anna's randomness WhoCares It's just the best theory I've ever heard. Even if it didn't turn out to be true, it would still be the best.
@@althealligator1467 it fits perfectly. Kind of makes sense to have Nicholas Flamel showing up in the movies as well
@@imamajawad98 exactly, it would justify Flamel, Voldemort and by extension Nagini, the whole Obscurus plot (plus it would link it with Ariana, on more reason for Dumbledore to be part of the story), and Credence's name of "Aurelius."
Put it this way, they've come up with so many theories on Credence that I think there's a decent chance that one of them will be right!
The problem with that theory is that it's implied that Credence became an Obscurial because of his mistreatment at the hands of Mary Lou
But I don't understand, maybe I'm missing something. Grindelwald wasn't looking for Aurelius Dumbledore in the first movie. He was looking for the obscurial and was convinced it was the little girl. He was never looking for a Dumbledore sibling. He was looking for a weapon powerful enough to kill Dumbledore since he can't do it himself. Once he knew it was Credence he just had to manipulate him into going after Dumbledore and what better way to do that then to make him believe he was neglected and thrown away by Albus?
Exactly.
To expand, he only believed the Obscurial to be a child because Ariana was the only Obscurial in known history to have survived past the age of 10. And that's an interesting age because it's at 11 that a child begins their education at Hogwarts. That's when you have developed enough to start being taught magic properly and effectively.
@@Ranger1812how did the phoenix appear for credence? I thought that was only for dumbledores? Confused here lol
@@raf7305 Watch Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore.
Whether the baby is Aurelius or Corvus he could not turn into a Phoenix when he died. This is something a Dumbledore might be able to do, but the baby is not a Dumbledore, the baby is a LeStrange. Kendra was married to Percival Dumbledore and has three children with him, but she would not have the Dumbledore genes to pass on to the other baby.
Quite right. For the baby to have Dumbledore genetics it would have to be that somehow Albus's dad had a conjugal visit from from...someone and that someone had a baby. I'm still more inclined to believe that Credence is in some way a manifestation of Arianna's Obscurius.
Kendra married a paternal cousin, or Dumbledore is a matrilineal line
I thought the same too, but then remembered how twisted the wizarding lines are with their "pureblood mania".
I'm watching it in 2023 and Creedence is the nephew of Dumbledore, aberforth had a baby with a fling he had in godric's Hollow One Summer the same summer that Grindelwald and Dumbledore was going to run away and rule the world together Aberforth. Was🎉 verý against it and went to confront them both they all Drew their wands. and remember the blood throth that Dumbledore had with Grindelwald ?Well meaning😅😅😅😅😅 that if the wand expelled an aggressive curse to harm either or ,Their Wands their Wands will expel & Ricochet the curse outwards which that's what hit Ariana and the rest is confe!tti🎉😮😮
And I think Kendra Dumbledore was Muggle born.... because Albus was only half blood wizard (not pure) just like Harry Potter
Even if Credence doesn’t tell Grindelwald about the swap, Queenie can read minds, and I’m sure that would’ve been at the forefront of Credence’s mind.
I think Credence was closing his mind to the outside through his strong emotions from wondering if he made the right decision just like Harry did after Dobby died.
@@quadfalcon5004 but we know Queenie IS reading Credence mind, she tells Grindelwald that he (Credence) doesn't know if he had taked the right decision.
It could also be that Queenie doesn't fully trust Grindelwald either so she just keeps that information to herself. She could just be telling him _just_ enough to make him trust her
@@Astral_thee_God Queenie is the FB version of Snape!
@@fabiomora6491 Good point, I agree more with @Fair Strife
Interesting thought, except that Kendra's child with LeStrange would NOT be a Dumbledore at all. If Grindewald is telling the truth, it is more likely to be that Percieval Dumbledore didn't actually die in prison in 1890.
Completely agree! If Kendra was the mother, and LeStrange the father, the baby would be a LeStrange, not a Dumbledore. I hope all of this is explained in FB3!
Neko On, I agree! I think it is far more likely that Percival Dumbledore didn't die in Askaban but escaped, which was hushed up. Since Kendra had died by then, Percival could marry again secretly, and he had another son who was called Aurelius. Baby Aurelius then happened to be on the ship to New York for some reason and was saved from drowning because of Leta's baby swap. Percival Dumbledore might then have gone to America in order to look for his lost son. And he called himself Percival Graves! This is a very suggestive name, and I always wondered, why JKR choose this name and why we never learned more about the real Percival Graves.
So during a recent rewatch of COG I noticed something I never had payed close enough attention to before.
The scene where Credence and Nagini go to find Irma after she is killed before giving any info on his birth parents we see a scene with Grindelwald and the man who killed Irma(whose name I'm totally spacing on right now) during the scene Grindelwald asked if she is dead.
Now I never really payed much attention to this and somehow it slipped right past me but this scene is showing Grindelwald planned to have the only woman in Paris who can give Credence the info he so deeply desires killed. Now I asked myself why and it seems rather clear in my mind that he did it so Credence didn't learn the truth to soon.
So by killing Irma he could lie to Credence about his true identity. By telling him he is a Dumbledore he Credence would naturally go looking for a Dumbledore most likely being Albus and along the way Grindelwald will fill his head with lies and stories that he hopes will get Credence to kill Albus.
This line tells me Grindelwald is doing Grindelwald and lying and manipulating as he always does.
Be curious to see what others think about this.
I thought this too. Grindelwald was looking for the obsurial, not a Dumbledore boy. He can't kill Dumbledore and no one else is powerful enough to get close so when he hears about an obscurial he goes looking for it. Hes so convinced that its the girl at first that if he was looking for the lost Dumbledore brother it doesn't make any sense. Once he realizes the obscurial is Credence he finds out who Credence is and then plans his manipulation. Irma is a loose end who can ruin the illusion that Grindelwald wants to put in Credences mind so he has her killed before she can tell him who he really is. And then manipulates Credence to go after Dumbledore. But then I wonder why the Peonix comes to Credence.
@@exteriorpeak0815 this is a perfect explanation!!!!
@@exteriorpeak0815 that's exactly what I was about to type lol
I 100% agree! I don’t believe for a minute that he’s a Dumbledore. Grindelwald is manipulative, and much like Voldemort, he fears Dumbledore. Credence is being used as his tool.
How would a child born from a non Dumbledore blood mother and another man be a pheonix?
Loosely tied, and I think the transfiguration of his mom's "body" is an insult to Dumbledore's intelligence.
I think JKR sometimes is like "I will make a weird twist and wait for fans to explain it. "
She clearly knows what she's doing.
My take on that theory would be that if the Original Corvis child had been a Dumbledore, It did get thrown into the sea but then a Phoenix would have come to its aid and plucked it out of the water and left it on the doorstep of an orphanage.
J singing with the theme song was the best part of my day
I sang too and then was like, wait what is happening 🤣🤣🤣
Take it a step further and going off on a previous video where you guys theorized that Dumbledore is related to Godric Gryffindor in other words Godric has an affinity for pebonix’s. Fawkes could essentially be Godric Gryffindor (a whole new meaning to the chamber of secrets battle) which would mean Harry’s wand would have a piece of Gryffindor in it. This could further explain the mysterious gold sparks in DH7 (Gryffindor protects his champion against Slytherin’s champion). I strongly believe that Dumbledore planned on Harry having that particular wand to provide him further protection.
Wow that is actually a pretty good theory
But but - Voldemorts wand has Fawkes' tail, so Slythrines heir would be fighting with Godrics strength
@@PS-DLMA Not in DH7 when Harry fought him in the battle of 7 potters. He used Malfoy’s wand
@@alexjackson2213 i was thinking more the Graveyard when Diggory dies, and fighting Dumbledore at the Ministry
@@PS-DLMA I think his effects of having Godric would essentially be nullified in the graveyard (prior incantum) and in the ministry when fighting Dumbledore because Dumbledore could be a descendant and he had the elder wand.
the Baby wasn't a Dumbledore though, cause Kendra was a Dumbledore by Marriage, Sure it'd be Albus' half sibling, but the Baby wouldn't have any "Dumbledore" genes because they came from his Father
This is what I'm thinking Kendra was Muggle-born, as you said she is Dumbledore by the marriage not the blood-line. this what I think makes a hole in this theory.
This is what I'm thinking Kendra was Muggle-born, as you said she is Dumbledore by the marriage not by the blood-line. this what I think makes a hole in this theory.
Can we just ignore these Movies
and get more Harry Potter Theorys
for the Age of Harry.Timithy.Johnny.Potter,
as his full name is?
The mother of albus might be pregnant that time and becuase of sister abscure outbirst two of gone but credence didn't die along with mother and become an obscure in fantastic beast credence already exploded but still alive.
@@sneakyjc8055 Lil grammar mistake!
Mind to 'edit'?
Prediction: the theory presented will sound totally wild, and I'll wind up convinced anyway XD
I see you've watched one or two theories here before......
So how'd it turn out
@@YongTre100 totally wild & convinced anyway.
That happens just about every episode and sometimes they actually turn out to be true remember the Nigini theory
@@YongTre100 Mostly convinced! Naturally :)
Or they are uncle and nephew, he is Arianas son, with Grindelwald and that was the reason they dueled that day.
Cheating on him *AND* taking advantage of their disabled sister?!
You'd guess the brothers would be furious, otherwise, why would one person in particular care, what they're scheming?!
Bro Ariana was like 14 years old when she died. I highly doubt that she had any children.
I had a theory that dumbledores dad escaped from azkaban in a similar way that Barty Crouch Jr escaped, using a dying relative as a decoy. Then he changed his appearance and name and had a child with another person and they shipped the child off to America to hide any trace back to the dumbledore line but the switch happened and he survived so I'm wondering if grindelwald got knowledge of this and tracked down the father to get the information so arelius could be albus' half sibling?
This was my thought, too…that another friend or relative had helped Dumbledore’s father to escape, similar to the way Barty Crouch, Jr, escaped, and that the dying person who replaced him was then buried in his place. Obviously, he couldn’t come back and live with Kendra and his children. Perhaps he was smuggled abroad to France, where he married again, or possibly just had an affair (since technically, he was already married,) with the woman who was Arelius’ mother.
Sam, I think that your idea is a very plausible theory 😀 And we might even know the name which was taken by Percival Dumbledore: he might have gone to America in order to look for his lost son - and he called himself Percival Graves! Which is a very good alias for someone whose first name is Percival, and who is supposed to lie in his grave 😉
@@Grammy2Eight , Percival Dumbledore might have escaped from Askaban and then remarried after Kendra's death.
I believe Gellert took an unhealthy interest in Ariana having watched her obscurus qualities whilst living in Godrick's Hollow with his aunt Bathilda. He has the ability to manipulate the innocent and kind-hearted. I believe that he groomed Ariana with friendship (like he seduced her brother Albus) before raping her, which if this theory is true will be referred to as 'defiling' her. The Crimes Of Grindelwald depicted how Mr Lestrange had put women under a spell so they could bear his children. I think GG cast this with Ariana because he wanted to reproduce more Obscurials for the 'Greater Good' in his grand scheme of taking down muggles (remember Ariana had been taunted by muggle boys so a lonely teenaged girl with uncontrollable rage could be convinced to go with his plan). I believe Credence is Ariana and Gellert's son and I don't think Ariana actually died in that 3-way battle with Aberforth. I think it was a ruse to ship Ariana out of the country so she could give birth. I don't think Grindelwald even knew if the baby 🤱 👶 was a boy 👦 or a girl 👧 but assumed that it was a girl because it would have Obscurus powers like it's mother. That's why he thought the Obscurial was Modesty in Fantastic Beasts 1. Both Ariana and Credence had surpassed the life expectancy for an Obscurial and both desperately in need of love and devotion. Also they were both misunderstood to be squibs because they suppressed their magic 🧝♂️. Think about it the entire Dumbledore 'siblings' have "A" names and the 2 older brothers names have AB prominence whereas Aurelias is more similar to Ariana because of the AR prominence. Albus is 20 years than Credence/ Aurelias so even though the phoenix arrived to Credence in the way Fawkes does to Albus; I believe this Dumbledore family 👪 legacy is more to do with them being uncle and nephew rather than brothers especially considering the huge age gap. The way Colin Farrel is with Ezra Miller in Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them could be interpreted as creepy but also perhaps like a father showing affection to his son. That's why he got so mad 😡 at the end when he thought 💭 MACUSA killed him.
There are queries I want to know with regards to this theory of mine such as whether Ariana is still alive. If so I guess Dumbledore never finds out as he still carried the guilt of her death ☠ in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince 🤴. I also don't think Aberforth knew as well as he held on to deep resentment even after Dumbledore's death. Did Mary Lou know the truth or was the "wicked evil 😈 🧙♀️ woman 👩" she was referring to was who she believed to be his mother during the drowning accident mix up which would have been Corvos Lestrange's mum? I mean she said woman 👩 and not girl 👧 so maybe she didn't realise his real mum is Ariana Dumbledore.
@@PR7-82 , I like your theory. It is certainly much more plausible that the narrative of the SuperCarlin Brothers 😉
I also noticed that that Percival Graves's behavior towards Ezra may not havee been creepy or exploitative. I thought that a father-son relationship might be another explanation for Percival Graves's behavior. If Ariana and Gellert are Ezra's/Aurelius's parents, he would be Albus Dumbledore's nephew and Percival Dumbledore's grandson. This scenrio might be even more plausible than my idea, that Percival Dumbledore married again after he had escaped from Askaban, and that Ezra is his son and therefore the half-brother of Albus and Aberforce. However, I still think that the name "Percival Graves" is very significant! It is a strong hint that Percival Dumbledore did not die in Askaban. He might have escaped and then went to NY where he became Percival Graves. And if Ariana really had a baby, Percival Dumbledore/Graves might not have searched for his son but for his grandchild! Do we actually know exactly when Grindelwald had started to pose as Percival Graves? It might have been later than we have assumed so far, and the real Percival Graves aka Dumbledore might have already established the contact with Ezra because he was looking for his grandchild.
The singing along to the intro was my favorite part because I do that every single time!
Kendra Dumbledore is only a Dumbledore by marriage. So any child she has with anyone else wouldn’t be a Dumbledore, so wouldn’t have this Phoenix connection.
she could be a dumbledore, maybe percival married a 1st, 2nd cousin, which at that time wouldnt be that strange
Exactly what I was thinking. She’s a Dumbledore by name only. The only “Dumbledore blood” would be Albus’s father who was long dead and his siblings. Not the Lestrange baby.
@@Blais3 I don’t believe so as Kendra was a muggle born witch. So unless she was from a distant line of the dumbledores that just produced lots of squibbs so much so that they ended up as muggles. I would find it hard to believe that she was a cousin to some degree
@@Gingerchalky well given the vague description of both albus's parents there is always a chance unless JK states otherwise we can assume she's of Dumbledore descent but I guess we'll never know (at least in near future I guess)
@@Blais3 that’s very true. However she made the cursed child canon so dunno if I would believe her 😂
You should do a video on where Harry's grandparents are. I mean, both Lily and James were only 21 when they died and you're telling me that none of his grandparents were alive at that time or after Harry discovers the magical world and could have been reunited with them?
On pottermore its stated that harry's paternal grandparents died soon after his parents did. They were pretty old when james was born. As for lily's parents that would be an interesting question.
To my knowledge his grandparents are the creatures of sleek easy and both are dead
@@justarandomveryintelligent8934 i agree lilys parents are a mystery
they probably weren't alive, because his only family members alive at the time were the Dursleys and Sirius as his god father, but he was in Azkaban, if they were alive they would've placed him at theirs, but they didn't
@@bloob11 probably right although it really is uncommon for a family to be so small it is very weird how small it is
No uncles or anything
So, there are so many mental gymnastics in this video that I kind of checked out half way through. I don't see it happening. For this to be true, we are supposed to believe that Corvus Lestrange somehow knew of Kendra Dumbledore and thought that putting her under an imperious curse and having a child with her was something he wanted to do. I don't see it happening because Corvus Lestrange liked pretty things, that is why he went through other women, and once he got them, he basically just tossed them aside. I don't see him going after a single mom with 3 other children, one of whom is disabled. Too much baggage. Also, I doubt that Aberforth or Albus Dumbledore would have simply accepted that their mother's body just vanished. There is someone buried in her grave in the the Godric Hollow's cemetery. Also, Kendra was friends with Bilthida Bagshot, the noted historian. She was one of the few people who knew the Dumbledores well. I think if a mystery guy started coming around or if there was some question of Kendra's body after her death, she would have known. And if she knew, then more likely than not, Rita Skeeter would have known since she gave Bilthida Bagshot veritaserum to get information for her Dumbledore book. I don't think that Rita Skeeter would have passed up a chance to write about Kendra's missing body. I just don't see it happening and I hope that Credence isn't Dumbledore's brother. The problem with Fantastic Beast series, in my opinion, is that it is stale. There are all kinds of characters but there is no real character or world building. Introducing them and then trying to tie them into other establish characters is not good writing. Credence needs to have his own arc, aside from the Dumbledores. To me, it's just sloppy storytelling to do this.
I definitely agree with you. This theory is quite a reach imo.
If it had been written as a book ALL the details would be there, but it was written as a screen play limited details possible.
I'm usually totally on board with you, J, but this one's super out of left field. Kendra had to have died, otherwise Albus wouldn't have had to put off his trip around the world. This is how he meets Grindelwald. And I don't think it's as simple as her faking her own death; Albus would have had to arrange her funeral as the oldest next of kin, and lack of a body would really make that pretty sus.
And even if Kendra didn't die, let's say something wild happened like her polyjuice portioning or transfiguring a body to look like her and noping out of there, that still begs the question as to how Grindelwald would know anything, and how Credence as a baby ended up on the boat with the Dumbledore aunt. Kendra was not a Dumbledore by birth, and a sister of Percival keeping secret that Kendra actually is alive and bearing children just seems too far a stretch.
#teamGrindelwaldsALiar
@@shannonharkin6409 yeh but they hadn’t even met yet when his mom was killed they met after
@@shannonharkin6409 You explained the theory pretty well. I was a bit lost trying to follow J. A bit lost like the entire 2nd movie trying to explain the plot. Very convoluted. It will be a very lame cliffhanger for Grindelwald to be lying, so it’s probably something zany like J’s theory, why did they spend such an emphasis on a baby swap anyways, another poem-prophecy type thing. I like the side of it all that Grindelwald saw him needing items in place to take on Dumbledore, it bolsters Albus’ status of being so powerful which is nice, and plays into Grindelwald’s skills as a manipulator.
I remember hearing a theory on Mugglecast that Flamel and Albus use the philosophers stone and alchemy to create Credence, but nothing what we have seen in the movies supports that direction.
Sort of curious what you both think about the upcoming film and the future films theft of this arc, with Depp gone, rewriting, the controversy with The Author, the negative reception of the second film and the length of time between the second film and the third, will it be a “success”, quotes because people see a box office number and say a film was a success but they don’t realize people have to pay to see the movie before they can then express their criticisms and by that point the movie made x millions and is a “success”; but will movie three make more than movie two, more than movie one, Marvel type numbers, will the reception be good? Idk I’m not optimistic but I’m still going to see it and judge for myself.
What about Transfiguration M8?
Love J singing along with the intro, just like we all do 😂
I heard Ben too. Lol
Can we just ignore these Movies
and get more Harry Potter Theorys
for the Age of Harry.Timithy.Johnny.Potter,
as his full name is?
I swear you guys are responsible for half of fantastic Beasts success, I mean how else would anyone come up with such great ideas!
Aw thanks!
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Can we just ignore these Movies
and get more Harry Potter Theorys
for the Age of Harry.Timithy.Johnny.Potter,
as his full name is?
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Can we just ignore these Movies
and get more Harry Potter Theorys
for the Age of Harry.Timithy.Johnny.Potter,
as his full name is?
@@slevinchannel7589 Uhhhhhh??????????
I believe Gellert took an unhealthy interest in Ariana having watched her obscurus qualities whilst living in Godrick's Hollow with his aunt Bathilda. He has the ability to manipulate the innocent and kind-hearted. I believe that he groomed Ariana with friendship (like he seduced her brother Albus) before raping her, which if this theory is true will be referred to as 'defiling' her. The Crimes Of Grindelwald depicted how Mr Lestrange had put women under a spell so they could bear his children. I think GG cast this with Ariana because he wanted to reproduce more Obscurials for the 'Greater Good' in his grand scheme of taking down muggles (remember Ariana had been taunted by muggle boys so a lonely teenaged girl with uncontrollable rage could be convinced to go with his plan). I believe Credence is Ariana and Gellert's son and I don't think Ariana actually died in that 3-way battle with Aberforth. I think it was a ruse to ship Ariana out of the country so she could give birth. I don't think Grindelwald even knew if the baby 🤱 👶 was a boy 👦 or a girl 👧 but assumed that it was a girl because it would have Obscurus powers like it's mother. That's why he thought the Obscurial was Modesty in Fantastic Beasts 1. Both Ariana and Credence had surpassed the life expectancy for an Obscurial and both desperately in need of love and devotion. Also they were both misunderstood to be squibs because they suppressed their magic 🧝♂️. Think about it the entire Dumbledore 'siblings' have "A" names and the 2 older brothers names have AB prominence whereas Aurelias is more similar to Ariana because of the AR prominence. Albus is 20 years than Credence/ Aurelias so even though the phoenix arrived to Credence in the way Fawkes does to Albus; I believe this Dumbledore family 👪 legacy is more to do with them being uncle and nephew rather than brothers especially considering the huge age gap. The way Colin Farrel is with Ezra Miller in Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them could be interpreted as creepy but also perhaps like a father showing affection to his son. That's why he got so mad 😡 at the end when he thought 💭 MACUSA killed him.
There are queries I want to know with regards to this theory of mine such as whether Ariana is still alive. If so I guess Dumbledore never finds out as he still carried the guilt of her death ☠ in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince 🤴. I also don't think Aberforth knew as well as he held on to deep resentment even after Dumbledore's death. Did Mary Lou know the truth or was the "wicked evil 😈 🧙♀️ woman 👩" she was referring to was who she believed to be his mother during the drowning accident mix up which would have been Corvos Lestrange's mum? I mean she said woman 👩 and not girl 👧 so maybe she didn't realise his real mum is Ariana Dumbledore.
Having watched Secrets of Dumbledore,
Amazing! Every word of that theory was wrong!
Lol, but really, I love how much effort you put into all these theories even if many of them end up crashing and burning
Agreed this video did not age well.
One thing you are forgetting that might throw a huge monkey wrench into this theory is the fact that Albus' mother wasn't a Dumbledore until she married his father. That means if she had a kid with someone else, they wouldn't be a Dumbledore. Surnames come from the father's line not the mother's so Credence would be whatever his mother's maiden name was and definitely not a Dumbledore.
Is it really clear if surnames have to come from the father's line who knows what laws they had concerning names?
It would be better better to argue with genetics or some sort of magical traits inherited by the offspring.
Kendra dumbledore is a muggle-born, why would Corvus lestrange marry her if he wanted to continue his pure blood line,it doesn’t make any sense
Dumbledore’s mother was a terrifying woman, simply terrifying. Muggle-born, though I heard she pretended otherwise -”" to be fair maybe he didn't know she was muggleborn but yea it's unlikely
My prediction for how the Fantastic Beast series ends: Aurelius IS a third Dumbledore. He ends up doing something so bad that Newt has to be sent back in time, by way of a magical beast that can time travel, and prevent him from ever being born. It sounds crazy, but it makes sense to me in the context that it would turn out that creature is where the dust inside time turners comes from. in this context, they could do whatever "plot holes" they want, like the 3rd Dumbledore and Mcgonagall being at Hogwarts before she was even born, because his going back in time alters history into the cannon we know.
OMG this is brilliant but one hole is that if you go back in time using a time turner that has already happened in the future so it wouldn't change the present but I was DEFO thinking that time would be involved in the 3rd movie
My theorie on why Mcgonagall Is alive before she was born is: Cats have 9 lives right?? And Mcgonagall is seen as a cat in the Harry Potter movies SO maybe that is another one of her 9 lives and if there is a birthdate somewhere they just use the most recent one
Fourth* Dumbledore. Albus, Aberforth, Ariana, and possibly Aurelius.
Time travel sucks. The cursed child proved that
But in Prisoner of Azkaban, a major portion of the plot centers around it being a stable time loop. Harry can do the patronus thing solely because in the past he saw his future self do it.
It made me smile when you sang along to the intro since I do that every single time 😂
Thank you so much for the sponsor timer at the bottom! Very good
We need more singing along to the intro!
I thought that maybe somehow Percival Dumbledore fathered Aurelius (others have escaped Azkaban) with Meropes mother (who we have strangely never heard about) that would make Aurelius a Dumbledore and Albus' half brother. It would also make him Voldermorts Uncle and so explain his connection to the phoenix and why he can talk to Nagini (I don't think anyone else talks to her in the films). Another theory is maybe he's Dumbledores cousin as Percival had an unmarried sister called Honoria. Maybe she had an affair with Meropes father?
No. If you read the third book, Sirius was the first one to ever escape. Just because we don't know about Merope's mother doesn't mean she is in Azkaban. Besides, Merope was born in 1907, while Aurelius was born in 1901. It's also false about Aurelius speaking to Nagini. So far in the series, she's still a woman. Sure she can turn into a 🐍 but that doesn't mean Aurelius has spoken to her in Parseltongue.
You could be right about Dumbledore's sister theory. Not sure why you are insisting the baby is half Gaunt. You don't have to be a Gaunt to speak Parseltongue.
@@tfahad2051 just that the decendants of Slytherin are the only ones we know of that speak parcel tongue.
@@catladyfluff8423 yes, descendants of Slytherin can speak it but not all, but Pottermore has a little of people that can speak it, including Herpo the Foul.
Ginny spoke it to open the Chamber and let the Basilik out many times. Yes, Tom somehow possessed her and she spoke it. Ron opens the Chamber as well in the Deathly Hallows to get the fang. So you don't have to be a Slytherin and apparently it's not hard to speak it if you can copy how others say it. Harry Potter also speaks it but he's not a descendant of Slytherin.
I think Gellert lied to Credence about being a Dumbledore. Just because we only know of 2 Phoenixes, Fawkes and the mascot of a Quidditch team, doesn't mean there cannot be anymore out there.
I agree, I think Credence is half Dumbledore and half Gaunt
Me having seen the 3rd movie knowing who credence rlly is and seeing how wrong he is:🫣😏
“Calimari!” always gets me. The way he says it is hilarious
My favorite part of the video is J singing the song at the beginning.
It doesn’t only have to be unknown by Albus, but also by Aberforth and like everyone around them or whom studied there family tree and stuff
Yeah, I am not buying that no one knew the existence of dumbledore secret brother especially when Rita skeeter did a whole book on dumbledore life.
But Voldemort took the wand from Dumbledores corpse, so he couldn’t have turned into a Phoenix.
You were not paying attention were you
Basically a Phoenix is born because he died, and this Phoenix is him
2:16 i started singing "BUH BA LA BA LA BA BUH" right at the same time and was caught off guard when i was not the only one. 😆
SO I have another theory, what if Credence is a manifestation of the blood pact between Grindelwald and Albus? Meaning Grindelwald knows who he is but is sort of lying a bit. Meaning Credence is made from the blood of two of the strongest wizards alive at that time. There's a lot of loose ends on it but just thought about it.
I believe Gellert took an unhealthy interest in Ariana having watched her obscurus qualities whilst living in Godrick's Hollow with his aunt Bathilda. He has the ability to manipulate the innocent and kind-hearted. I believe that he groomed Ariana with friendship (like he seduced her brother Albus) before raping her, which if this theory is true will be referred to as 'defiling' her. The Crimes Of Grindelwald depicted how Mr Lestrange had put women under a spell so they could bear his children. I think GG cast this with Ariana because he wanted to reproduce more Obscurials for the 'Greater Good' in his grand scheme of taking down muggles (remember Ariana had been taunted by muggle boys so a lonely teenaged girl with uncontrollable rage could be convinced to go with his plan). I believe Credence is Ariana and Gellert's son and I don't think Ariana actually died in that 3-way battle with Aberforth. I think it was a ruse to ship Ariana out of the country so she could give birth. I don't think Grindelwald even knew if the baby 🤱 👶 was a boy 👦 or a girl 👧 but assumed that it was a girl because it would have Obscurus powers like it's mother. That's why he thought the Obscurial was Modesty in Fantastic Beasts 1. Both Ariana and Credence had surpassed the life expectancy for an Obscurial and both desperately in need of love and devotion. Also they were both misunderstood to be squibs because they suppressed their magic 🧝♂️. Think about it the entire Dumbledore 'siblings' have "A" names and the 2 older brothers names have AB prominence whereas Aurelias is more similar to Ariana because of the AR prominence. Albus is 20 years than Credence/ Aurelias so even though the phoenix arrived to Credence in the way Fawkes does to Albus; I believe this Dumbledore family 👪 legacy is more to do with them being uncle and nephew rather than brothers especially considering the huge age gap. The way Colin Farrel is with Ezra Miller in Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them could be interpreted as creepy but also perhaps like a father showing affection to his son. That's why he got so mad 😡 at the end when he thought 💭 MACUSA killed him.
There are queries I want to know with regards to this theory of mine such as whether Ariana is still alive. If so I guess Dumbledore never finds out as he still carried the guilt of her death ☠ in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince 🤴. I also don't think Aberforth knew as well as he held on to deep resentment even after Dumbledore's death. Did Mary Lou know the truth or was the "wicked evil 😈 🧙♀️ woman 👩" she was referring to was who she believed to be his mother during the drowning accident mix up which would have been Corvos Lestrange's mum? I mean she said woman 👩 and not girl 👧 so maybe she didn't realise his real mum is Ariana Dumbledore.
In the Walk N Talk deleted scene Dumbledore tells Newt that Grindelwald had a vision in which an obscurial killed a man he fears above all others. Dumbledore wasn't killed by an obscurial, he was killed by Severus Snape. So who is the man that Grindelwald fears (or will come to fear) above all others?
Perhaps himself
@@bluetigeress8432 Grindelwald is killed by voldemort
@@kenziesandberg1165 maybe tom riddle had a obscurial. Its unlikely but possible. It is a theory and not canon after all.
@@bluetigeress8432 but when could one have been created in him?
@@bluetigeress8432 No, I'm sure it is part of the FB plot. Credence will kill someone significant to the FB series, but not someone who we know will survive FB5. Possible candidates to me are Theseus or Kama. Less likely possibilities are Jacob, even though he is a muggle or possibly a squib, or Abernathy, who seems to be surprisingly prominent even though it's far from clear why. I know that they have had to drop Abernathy from FB3, but they could bring the character back for FB4 and FB5 with a different actor.
i am really sad that Johnny Depp will be replaced , he is very good for the part
While that happened, amber heard still keeps her role in aquaman 2😒
@@aniekdevries6970 no she's been replaced
the theme song in this episode had me in tears hahaha
I love this channel so much. They make so many things make so much more sense. The only thing is I wish they made videos about more books and shows. In particular I wish they made videos about Brandon Sanderson’s Cosmere which is a universe with dozens of books taking place on different planets but because of how many different books there are I know that I am missing the answers to many mysteries.
I haven’t finished this video yet, but I already like where this is going!
Is no one going to talk about J singing along with the intro? 🤣🤣🤣
That's like half the comments lol
"We didn't pay the math budget" loved that
I love J singing along with the opening!
Me: what am I going to do today?
SCB: *uploads*
Me:I’m going to be convinced into believing something completely insane but also makes sense
I think that Credence will found out he is a Dumbledore/Lestrange and will therefore join Dumbledore in his journey to defeat Grindelwald. But Credence will get killed by Grindelwald because he betrayed Grindelwald. And when he dies he will become... Fawkes! It makes so much sense concidering this banished child may have been the phoenix that appaered at the end of the movie and that Albus himself also became one after his death. What do you guys think about this theory?
Ok I love this
Wow, that‘s cool.
Seems like y'all took a hiatus from the HP videos there for a minute, but God I missed them☺️ Thanks for bringing me joy you guys, keep up the amazing work🙌🏼🙌🏼
You guys are usually really on par with your theories, but this one just had two very big holes:
1. IF this is true, the baby would not have Dumbledore blood, but Kendra's family which are muggles. Also, why would she go along with faking her death and run away from everything?
2. This is the big one. The majority of this theory hinges on Grindlewald being so far ahead on his Seer path to set all this up that he would have to be on his A game and being playing chess on a whole other level. Then why does he, in the first movie, not know the gender, age, or location of the baby? If he set the affair up, he'd know when it happened and if the baby was a boy or girl, yet in the movie he's looking for someone younger than when this affair happened? Seems you are giving him so much credit in one area and then ignoring him not knowing the more basic details the next.
Honestly, I think he knew someone was an obscuro, knew Dumbledore might be emotionally compromised by that on multiple levels and just thought of certain lies to take all that raw magic and aim at Dumbledore.
Please I can't be the only one who noticed J singing along to the theme - so delightful!!
Sounds like me every episode 😆 🤣
Daaang- four years after the movie and your theories are still as impressive as ever!!
When J and Ben do their videos can they please always sing along with the theme song 😂
That went in a completely different direction from what I was expecting, and I love it. Honestly, I think that the theory that Credence was created using the Stone could still fit because Albus wouldn't know that there ever was another kid, so he could have been trying to bring Ariana back, accidentally gave an obscurus a body instead, and sent it away. Credence may not be the Dumbledore that he thinks he is, but he may still be a Dumbledore. Honestly, I think the name is probably correct too, but not how he got it. I think Albus may have known what his mother would've named Ariana had she been a boy, and thus used that name to honor Ariana.
I like this theory best too
This makes sense considering the philosopher's stone is used to make GOLD and Aurelius means GOLD.
I had the same thought about the stone giving an obscurus a body, i wanted to Google what aerelius means, one of the responses to your post already gave it away. I love this theory best, it makes sense. #AUisgold
@@sagittariusgurl818 it makes so much sense too
@@ArynHill the good thing is just actually just supposed to be a test, but yeah. It would make a lot of sense because the one thing that the general public might know about the Stone is that it can turn other metals into gold (thanks to the church and human greed). I think Albus would've also picked the name as a sort of nod to that fact because the stone can do so much more than anyone thinks.
That was insane and so confusing but also made a lot of sense? You really have me curious with this one and I can’t wait to see what happens in the future films!
Would you please explain it to me? I can’t for the life of me understand it lol
This theory is good, except for a few big holes. Kendra Dumbledore was muggle-born, and I am 99.9% sure that Corvus Lestrange IV would never marry her, because of his pureblood status ( but like you said she could have switched bodies with the real mademoiselle tremblay ). Also, as you said, Grindelwald is a seer. He could have definitely seen the swap. However, I do think Aurelius Dumbledore exists. I think he might be the dark twin of Albus, as you've said in a past video.
I thought it had been confirmed by JKR that Aurelius is actually Abeforth's son. It's the simplest explanation too, and yes, ok, not strictly speaking Albus' brother, but brother's son, so it's used figuratively and it totally makes sense.
J,
That's a great way of looking at it,
I know that Credence is not a Dumbledore and in the end it doesn't matter.
What matters is what Grindelwald believes which is what he tells Credence.
Complete misdirection from the Dumbledore Phoenix which is exactly what they want.
Love your channel 🌟
But Queenie knows, because she is reading Credence mind, she has to know.
Grindelwald believes what he is saying and Credence hasn't got a clue who he is.
If Dumbledore's do really turn into Phoenix's then I'm certain that they will know how to block their thoughts so that the secret remains a secret. 🌟
@@rhodaleader6824 the Dumbledores maybe, but Credence? Because I'm pretty sure Credence couldn't stop thinking of everything that happened. Or idk if the Phoenix can block Credence mind also?
I believe Gellert took an unhealthy interest in Ariana having watched her obscurus qualities whilst living in Godrick's Hollow with his aunt Bathilda. He has the ability to manipulate the innocent and kind-hearted. I believe that he groomed Ariana with friendship (like he seduced her brother Albus) before raping her, which if this theory is true will be referred to as 'defiling' her. The Crimes Of Grindelwald depicted how Mr Lestrange had put women under a spell so they could bear his children. I think GG cast this with Ariana because he wanted to reproduce more Obscurials for the 'Greater Good' in his grand scheme of taking down muggles (remember Ariana had been taunted by muggle boys so a lonely teenaged girl with uncontrollable rage could be convinced to go with his plan). I believe Credence is Ariana and Gellert's son and I don't think Ariana actually died in that 3-way battle with Aberforth. I think it was a ruse to ship Ariana out of the country so she could give birth. I don't think Grindelwald even knew if the baby 🤱 👶 was a boy 👦 or a girl 👧 but assumed that it was a girl because it would have Obscurus powers like it's mother. That's why he thought the Obscurial was Modesty in Fantastic Beasts 1. Both Ariana and Credence had surpassed the life expectancy for an Obscurial and both desperately in need of love and devotion. Also they were both misunderstood to be squibs because they suppressed their magic 🧝♂️. Think about it the entire Dumbledore 'siblings' have "A" names and the 2 older brothers names have AB prominence whereas Aurelias is more similar to Ariana because of the AR prominence. Albus is 20 years than Credence/ Aurelias so even though the phoenix arrived to Credence in the way Fawkes does to Albus; I believe this Dumbledore family 👪 legacy is more to do with them being uncle and nephew rather than brothers especially considering the huge age gap. The way Colin Farrel is with Ezra Miller in Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them could be interpreted as creepy but also perhaps like a father showing affection to his son. That's why he got so mad 😡 at the end when he thought 💭 MACUSA killed him.
There are queries I want to know with regards to this theory of mine such as whether Ariana is still alive. If so I guess Dumbledore never finds out as he still carried the guilt of her death ☠ in Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince 🤴. I also don't think Aberforth knew as well as he held on to deep resentment even after Dumbledore's death. Did Mary Lou know the truth or was the "wicked evil 😈 🧙♀️ woman 👩" she was referring to was who she believed to be his mother during the drowning accident mix up which would have been Corvos Lestrange's mum? I mean she said woman 👩 and not girl 👧 so maybe she didn't realise his real mum is Ariana Dumbledore.
This is a good theory, but personally I think, as proven by them getting McGonagall's age wrong, they're just ignoring the canon and thought "hey wouldn't it be neato if Dumbledore had a secret brother?"
I am very distracted by J's hairstyle 😂😂😂 I've watched this video multiple times already and I just noticed it and now cannot unsee it 😂
My issue is that “wings from the water" doesn't make me think of a bird on fire.
Corvus will show up with water wings. Be a sort of water phoniex, maybe raised by selkies/mermaids.
@@marykateharmon I like that. He suggested that the one Credence was nursing is Corvus and I was like “now hang on". But otherwise it's a pretty solid theory
Nice theory but the mum isnt a blood Dumbledore
J’s delivery of this theory had strong Charlie Kelly “Pepe Silvia” Vibes
I've been dying to talk to you about the mail all day!
Grin-del-Vald... But I want to hear him sing the intro more often 😂
Wow, you have some cool theories! I will subscribe.
@SuperCarlinBrothers This theory is difficult to believe, due to the Dumbledore gene coming from Percival's side and not Kendra's. The fact that there is no definitive bloodline established for Kendra and we are talking about a time in which cousins were sometimes married. Examples being Prince Albert and Queen Victoria (1840), Alfonso XII and Mercedes of Orleans (1878) and Infante Antonio, Duke of Galliera and Infanta Eulalia of Spain (1886). Keeping this in mind, there is room for this to be a bit more plausible. Unfortunately, there is no proof that Kendra was in fact a Dumbledore prior to their marriage. That makes this fairly challenging to believe. If this was true, however, the theory would fit.
I love how we can hear J humming to the intro! I heard in one of your vids that you guys hummed the intro, but cut it out. Whoever edited this vid, great job!
Lol at the intro 😅 I do the same thing when I hear that tune
It seems so long ago that I gave up on these films making any sense, but it's still very enjoyable to watch you filling seemingly endless plot holes and retroactively making the whole thing sound sort of smart... I'll never get tired of your videos guys !
I’m so early that I couldn’t have seen the whole video yet, but I know that it’s going to be fantastic as usual
According to wiki Harry Potter (fandom, not canon) Kendra Dumbledore was born in 1851…she would’ve been 50 by the time Credence was born. A bit old to be able to conceive a child…
50 is still pretty young by wizard standards though. Consider the fact that Dumbledore was 115-116 years old when Snape killed him. Also, that Nicholas Flamel (with help of Elixir of Life) was over 650 years old before he decided that he wanted to die (Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone)
I love that they didn't cut out where they hum their own intro 😅
This is the first explanation/ theory of this issue that has felt right to me! Great Work!
It does fit and I think it makes sense. I still think the Phoenix is Fox and that we are getting his origins. I did list out a few reasons why I think the Phoenix is fox on another video.
I swear I am on the Truman show I basically just re-went through the story again and was quesitoning this problem again!
Shhhhh!!!
@@SuperCarlinBrothers hear me out;
If Dumbledores turn into phoenixes, I think fawkes is either ariana or his dad
Love, love ,love your Harry Potter theory vids
I had to watch this a few times to get it but I definitely agree with a lot of it. I thought the “wings from the water” line directly correlated to the drowned baby but I didn’t know how his character would be brought back.
It seems to make more sense to the theory that Credence is Grindelwald's son with Ariana. It explains the fight that broke out among Alberforth, Grindelwald and Dumbledore which led to Ariana's death and Grindelwald and Dumbledore became sworn enemies And also it supports the idea that Ariana's son were sent to America to be hidden from his father, Grindelwald and with Leta Lestrange's incident swapping Corvus with Ariana's son who in turn would have been presumed death by drowning in the sea until the truth was unfold in Fantastic Beasts 2. Ariana must’ve given birth to a twin, one is Credence and the other one is drown along with the real Corvus but made a return as a great avenger with wings from the water, a Phoenix.
The truth is unimaginably more boring
Very nice theory, you really thought this through
It would be awesome if this is the case because it could be "Fawkes" all this time helping and protecting his brother. Them working like allies all this time it also would mean Dumbledore's brothers-all of them- have helped Harry even when Dumbledorehimself couldn't. So awesome!
I have a problem with phoenixes and water. You’re saying that the baby that went in the water became a phoenix. But when Dumbledore dies in the movie, the last scene shoes Fawkes flying out over the lake and bursting into flame. That meant he was dead because a phoenix’s ashes can’t come back together in water to trigger the rebirth. The ashes would scatter in water. How does the Phoenix form from the drowned or drowning baby in the water?
I don't believe in any of these theories at all but 1. They're so entertaining and 2. I'm sure they're way better than how they'll actually end the series
You sold me on this! But then there had to be a credence vs Phoenix fight I know this in my soul
And here comes my theory: Aurelius is the result of Aberforth's weird goat breeding/cloning experiment. Aurelius is a goaty clone of Aberforth and therefore Albus' brother. Boom.
I refuse to believe anything else! xD
But wouldn't Queenie have read Credence' mind (and I'm sure that he's still thinking about how he's not a Lestrange and still wondering who he might actually be) and thus tell Grindelwald?
That's what I was thinking...
She cant tell his identity from reading his mind. Or are you saying she would have seen what Leta explained to him?
@@harryskywalker6814 Exactly... I mean he has to be dwelling on what he was told by Leta. Would Queenie not be able to sense that?
@@kevinjamesedwards She probably would be able to. I also think Grindelwald has her under the imperious curse and is controlling her. She acted strangely happy when seeing Jacob near the end, and a mind reader would be something Grindelwald would take interest in having on his side
Maybe she read it and decided not to tell Grindelwald
Wouldn’t that mean that Dumbledore would know that his mom didn’t die when he told Harry she did?
This is the first video I think I am a strong probably not on.
Great vid! I think it all fits now! Thx for clearing these up. I love ur vids! I'll be waiting for ur next one! Stay safe everyone. Bye!
U guys struck gold on this one
Watching this the first time didn’t sell me, it seemed to far-fetched and convoluted, but after a while, i think y’all just might be right
After a day of thinking about it, I have a plot hole for your theory. If that phoenix appeared to Credence, wouldn’t that tell Grindelwald that Credence was not Aurelius, because the phoenix is Aurelius? Or did he not know who that phoenix was and that was just a little tidbit? 🤔
I don’t get the same rush from HP theories since the McGonagall retconing. How can anyone build a theory around established dates and timeframes when Rowling can just undo anything whenever it’s convenient
Very true. I've experienced similar things in other franchises that undermine their own world-building this way.
But we don't actually know that, that McGonagall is Minerva McGonagall, it could be her Mother or an aunt of hers or some other relation with the last name McGonagall.
@@lisamurdock6679 mcgonagall’s dad was a muggle so it couldn’t have been any aunt or anything and mcgonagall’s mother wouldn’t have the last name mcgonagall
@@lisamurdock6679 I really want to believe there's an easy explanation like that. The McGonagall name came from her muggle father, and her mother left the wizarding world to elope with him. Plus they removed her birth year from her info page on Wizarding World. Still holding out hope it will all work out in the end though.
The McGonnagall retconning isn't a retcon though. She never had a canon birthdate or a canon year she started at hogwarts in the books . People just assumed the correct dates by the line where she tells Umbridge how many years she has been teaching at Hogwarts. But if you assume that her teaching years weren't uninterrupted and that she left for some time and came back later, then it can make sense
Brilliant, guys!
That's the content I'm following you for!
J's enthusiasm makes him sound insane as he's talking about a dead baby being a fire bird