@@spaycee9082 might not work for everyone but I learned by just playing. I'm sure I don't know the finer details but I get most of it and ASpec's videos help me figure out the rest
@@brandondanforth8342 I was kidding unless he actually wanted to play I too just go ingame make some bad decisions then watch others and learn what I was doing wrong.
@@aaronturner2588 yeah but personally I'm enjoying this version more than any other I played. I started playing around Utopia iirc (on console though, didn't make the switch to PC until a few months ago, like right before Nemesis came out iirc) and like I said this is the most fun I've had with the game since playing for the first time
They really should have clerks generate Administrative Capacity or Stability or something else now... Edit: Have them reduce the effect of total empire population on how much growth is required for one pop.
@@ben5056 clerks generating administrative capacity would make sense. it even says in their fluff tooltip they perform "administrative office tasks". If anything, them generating trade and amenities is a bit strange lol.
I'm pretty sure the devs said they would buff Clerks, but didn't. As things stand, an unemployed pop is better than Clerk, because it will at least move to another planet to do something productive.
That glitch where adding a ‘-‘ to a world maxed it out and infinite in everything You could built everything, destroy it and all the stat numbers will stay, build and destroy to add numbers Jk jk
I needed this video SO BADLY! Good lord, I could not for the life of me figure out why my next pop was going to take 300+ months to grow on my core worlds and it PISSED ME THE FECK OFF! THANK YOU ASPEC! Thank you SO MUCH!!!
@@eeebee6166 but its more realistic. I mean it doesn't make any sense that you can infinitely grow pops on a planet forever as long as you have housing. Thats not how it works. This way growth makes sense. Now the manufacturing robots thing is ridiculous but the pop growth make logical sense. The previous growth mechanic made no realistic sense at all.
@@007mattattack in stellaris ftl exists, disons spheres should be dison swarms, Colossus should colapse into a planet, Mater deconpressors are somehow a thing, gateways exist, beings from other dimensions exist and so does gases based life, most alien species are not even close to realistic, ships somehow just fucking stop almost instantaniusly, ships are the size of planets and suns are only like 2x bigger than their planets. Stellaris cannot be fully realistic because it is a game. Somethings get skiped or ignored for a better Gameplay. Destroying the sistem of the most important resource in the game for realism is just as stupid as putting it so time only passes in real time.
I learned something today! No idea about carrying capacity. The total pop number now puts a soft cap on how large your empire can be which sucks if you want to conquer it all.
@@SepuLtera-b3x to each their own, I was having a good cackle every time I blew up a star, ended up wiping out about 1/3 of a Large size galaxy. Capped on Dark Matter, I was doing it for fun
I always thought that pop growth worked along the lines of, when two pops meet and like each other (a lot at least for a few minutes) and there’s enough food and a place to stay in time there will be more pops and the first two pops will have ruined their lives for the next 20 years or so by not having enough consumer goods, food, or money. Eventually (hopefully) the extra pop will move out find food and housing for itself meet a pop they like and the cycle repeats.
"Clerks don't matter anymore, get rid of them" Biological pops "Yeah" Meanwhile in Machine Empire "SPAM.... MORE.... MAINTENANCE DRONES !!!" (ME really need another way to produce amenities)
Yea, He explained it, and it made my head hurt. It is so backwards, and its clear that its half done. Clerks are useless, and I have no information as to what I was doing wrong and why my population growth was stalling with me being negative in consumer goods, and power.
I just want my fat populations back holy shit they've really messed it up. I remember using clerks to make trade zone worlds and now they're completely useless as well
Yeah, the more I watched the more horrifyingly batshit this system is. Beyond the total lack of realism of people not having kids because some planet on the other side of the galaxy is really big, the update dismantles entire sections of the game. Don't use your district slots. Don't grow your small planets. Don't use your clerks. Don't use your housing. Just don't use more than half of the resources the game is throwing at you, and hope that you can get a pop or two in the next century.
Thank You Aspec. Showing and highlighting Planetary Capacity has been sorely missing from every other video about the pop change I've seen. Makes understanding and now managing pop growth so much easier.
Thanks man, I was actually playing a Modded game (5000 stars 5X research time), about 30 planets and I was loosing my mind trying to manage those clerks by relocating them manually all the time. Didn't know I could have just turned it off. Going to save me a lot of time since now they'll just use the transit hub faster.
Well, I learned something today, as I always do with ASpec's great videos. Thanks man. You truly are a Grand Wizard of Stellaris and much, much more! Looking forward to your next video, as always. Cheers!!
Another helpful video. I could imagine playing my first game in 3.0 with a perpetual WTF expression on my face. It would probably have taken me hours to realize that clerks are now useless. And let's not even talk about planet capacity...
I'm for them reducing pops again and removing this restriction on pops. I personally think a planet's carrying capacity should be determined by housing and available jobs, not some arbitrary empire number. The devs did move closer to their goal though, my late-game performance moves at "normal" speed instead of "very slow" speed when I have it turned up to "very fast".
honestly, rn the game is unplayable for me. its not about the lag tho its about me watching my empire having only 156 population with clone army in the year 2304 and needing 250 pop growth for one additional pop. i produce on every of my 10 planets androids and grow some biological pops aswell but until i can make my whole clone army into researchers it will take me probably another 50 years.
Thank you for the video. I really, REALLY hope this get reviewed / fixed somehow in 3.0.3. The new pop system is counterintuitive as HELL. Having to leave worlds half developed on purpose and having to move them somewhere else (when you actually still have plenty of room on that planet) is not fun, and it lacks all logic. Clerk jobs being useless now is HORRIBLE in my opinion, not because I'm a fan of them, but having a whole job category in the game you have to DISABLE is just plain bad design. It just feels like the game was not meant to be played this way but the changes are so bad that this is the only way to play efficiently.
Very informative, as always. Learned there is something called carry capacity, which is almost invisible if you aren't already looking for it. Thanks for the info, and let's hope the devs clarify this stuff in the UI in upcoming patches.
@@milanstevic8424 Yeah, but I would not have guessed that mousing over the planet size number would show a second number that didn't used to exist that has a meaningful impact on how that planet develops.
@@sannisrahl7154 you can't guess anything until you try it. you don't actually learn to read by staring at text do you? first and foremost, this is a game where you get information by mousing over tiny text. ok, got it? with that put aside, in order to properly comprehend anything, you are expected to tinker a bit and find a way to get useful information. how do you expect to play ANY game or use ANY software without getting to your senses first, and understand how the information is conveyed. if you already know you're supposed to mouse over things, and there is a clear box in a colony window telling you how big a world is, WHY WOULDN'T you mouse over it? no wonder every game is riddled with mindless tutorials if you're spoiled like that. "MOVE YOUR CAMERA WITH WASD" "uhm.. what's WASD" *watches video* facepalm
@@milanstevic8424 Rude sarcasm aside, it feels like a failure of the UI to not include such an important number in a more visible way. I had missed that particular detail in the patch notes and there was only made aware when it was mentioned in the video. Judging by the response to the poll ASpec put out prior to this video and the comments here, I'm not alone having some difficulties in parsing the updated population mechanics and how they are presented to the player.
I do like carrying capacity as a system because it encourages you to remove tile blockers before you run out of districts to build. I agree that it should be advertised a bit more clearly in the UI.
Just in time for 3.0.3 to change the base numbers. Although they seem to be sticking with the core idea. I like the idea of reduced pop load to reduce game lag but....late game growth was a lot of the fun of the game, getting set up for it then exploding outwards.
Hello. Please make an updated video for pop growth mechanics now that there is some downtime before the next major update. This videos about two years old, and it could really help new players and veteran players understand how to help themselves. Thank you for your guides.
THANK YOU I had figured out a bunch of this but you just wrapped everything up so well I feel like I actually understand it now, oml I've been doing it only half right.
No idea if you'll see this but as a new player thank you Aspec,so far I've played what I suppose is "wide" and just expanded out as much as possible,building up all planets to suit my needs. But no more,you have taught me the art of specialization with this vid,so thank you. (Also anyone else feel free to give some advice to a noob in replies)
The only use for clerks as a way to ensure victory in the bid for hosting the galactic market hub apparently doesn't work out either, because a planet specifically built up for the competition, with 350+ trade value from thrifty domestic servants and three levels of nomination still can and does lose to a backwater empire capital with 50 trade value.
So basically it works similar to housing in Civ VI where once you get close to or over your housing limit pop growth slows to a crawl, except it's more of a curve than a spike. Also RIP Clerk Jobs, liteally didn't get a single buff on the economy update. They should either generate more Trade Value, or make Trade Value worth more/do more things.
Yes I learned something today, thank you. In my opinion it was rather a dirty deed to 'hide' carrying capacity. Seems like it should have been prominently displayed on the summaries and outliner.
As a veteran of this game, and I play this on hardest difficulty and often reach end-game by the 2400's, I definitely learned something Aspec, I was on my first run into this expansion, going for the custodian approach, and yeah, clerk jobs are pointless, the extra resources are just perfectly timed :D - thankyou for your insight mate :D
oh, that's actually kind of interesting, before, it was large planets which would feed your small planets pops to grow past colony stage, but now, it's the small planets that need to feed the large ones because after a certain point, the large ones "stop" growing
Thanks for this man. I have lost several games, just completely unable to support an economy because I couldn't maintain enough pops to keep the jobs flowing. Planet capacity and how it affects pop growth may well be the key to my troubles. Thank you!
Upgrading the food processing facility only gives 1 extra job per district, so with 8 farming districts you would get 9 more, 1 job per district * 8 districts + the building itself gives 1 more job than the unupgraded facility(which only gives 1 job, and no extra jobs from districts).
I learned something today! Don't forget you can also build luxury residences in all the building slots opened up by those city districts to increase the pop capacity even further. But I think your maths is off on how much those cities are doing, since each one is also consuming an 'empty' district worth four points of capacity.
Double is probably a good rule of thumb for the big worlds, but for the small worlds you want even more than that. What works for me is going straight for ~80 planetary capacity (which is what you'd want for 40 pops on that planet anyway). When I do that, the planets hit max pop growth somewhere in the range of 25-30 pops.
And thanks to the production boost buildings now adding jobs per districts, we now can actually get everyone on a filled planet employed without spamming tons of commercial megaplexes. Assuming a 100+ housing planet ever fills xd.
Well, I learned something today! Once again Aspec to the rescue when I don't know what the hell is going on with my game. All I have to do now is not get spawned between marauders and fanatic purifiers and I'll be set...
WTF do you mean there is a new pop growth system? Now I need to watch another video. This was a great one, lots of valuable useable information, thanks.
And it's changed significantly in 3.0.3 open beta 2. Clerks and trade is back, growth is slower, less explosive in the logistic phase and slows less near capacity. I really like it, there's a better balance to the game now, as getting to the faster phase first is less important. So the +10% for phobes and advanced starts are more containable, though the slow first contact process hampers co-op between empires who need to.
Yeah I learned something. Thanks for making the vid. Few questions about where to set up tech worlds but that'll probably become clear with another game. I need to stop playing my games at 5x tech/tradition. There in my latest game, I was just about to transition my homeworld into a clerk haven as per old 2.X habits.
I learned something today. Having said that I was doing OK without this knowledge right up to the endgame with emoty ringworlds and ecumenopoli. Very useful info though
had to watch this video twice for the knowledge to fully settle also had to play a game to test this (it worked insanely well) I LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY
I watch most of the tutorials for 3.0 but this one. I got to 2400 and growth on all my planets slowed down. I put perks, gene clinics and every tech that increased pop growth with no results. I uninstalled the game, read online people where having the same issues and now found your video confirming this issue. So clerks are truly bad since you want those pops to work on something that gives back value. So yeah I did learn something
Cities start with 5 housing, imperious architecture doesn't give extra housing from city districts, public works division(prosperity tree) does, that's why he only had 7 housing per district. So city districts without upgrade do give extra planetary capacity on non-gaia worlds.
I completely understand how it works now just tested this about 10 min ago and holy crap okay so now I can make ring worlds work for me ..... I would like to add that when your building up those small worlds to be pop farms throw down some admin cap job not a tone but a smidge to offset the sprawl. I also replace my admin building and clerk jobs on my home world with resurch centers as soon as I can
I didn’t learn too much, but I’m sure many did. Beware city districts - unless they are improved by tech/trads, they only increase cc by a tiny amount. Empty districts offer cc, so clearing blockers is often more effective. Check the wiki for the cc offered by empty districts on differing planet types, subtract that from housing offered by city districts to evaluate the increase in cc.
What I expected: population logistic sigmoid curves
What I got: clerk genocide
As is the law.
But what will I do with all my pop sprawl and my poor administrative capacity?!
@@donnill Clerks don't do anything about admin cap. You still need bureaucrats.
#ClerkJobsMatter
So for Hive mind is it the same effect? And also robot pops
Trying to teach my friends this game gets harder and harder every patch..
@nateev14 lol I just picked it up want to teach me as well we can become friends
@@spaycee9082 might not work for everyone but I learned by just playing. I'm sure I don't know the finer details but I get most of it and ASpec's videos help me figure out the rest
@@brandondanforth8342 I was kidding unless he actually wanted to play I too just go ingame make some bad decisions then watch others and learn what I was doing wrong.
Stopped playing for a year and I gotta learn a whole new game fml
@@aaronturner2588 yeah but personally I'm enjoying this version more than any other I played. I started playing around Utopia iirc (on console though, didn't make the switch to PC until a few months ago, like right before Nemesis came out iirc) and like I said this is the most fun I've had with the game since playing for the first time
They really should have clerks generate Administrative Capacity or Stability or something else now...
Edit: Have them reduce the effect of total empire population on how much growth is required for one pop.
Or they could just get rid of them
@@ben5056 They could reduce the effect on total population in an empire on Population Growth. That seems a good solution.
@@Kasaaz that could be good (personally not a fan of the empire growth nerf)
@@ben5056 clerks generating administrative capacity would make sense. it even says in their fluff tooltip they perform "administrative office tasks". If anything, them generating trade and amenities is a bit strange lol.
I'm pretty sure the devs said they would buff Clerks, but didn't. As things stand, an unemployed pop is better than Clerk, because it will at least move to another planet to do something productive.
I learned something today.
It's better to purge the galaxy, then to try to save it.
So, what you're saying is, is that Thanos did nothing wrong?
@@DarkDay2012 more like Thanos didn't do enough.
Do I understand the system? Yes. Do I understand why it’s necessary? Yes. Do I accept this? No! Gimme my pops! More, more! 80+ pop worlds everywhere!
That glitch where adding a ‘-‘ to a world maxed it out and infinite in everything
You could built everything, destroy it and all the stat numbers will stay, build and destroy to add numbers
Jk jk
robots would like to know your location
I learned something today. Here is your algorithm interaction boost comment.
Good idea.
I needed this video SO BADLY!
Good lord, I could not for the life of me figure out why my next pop was going to take 300+ months to grow on my core worlds and it PISSED ME THE FECK OFF!
THANK YOU ASPEC! Thank you SO MUCH!!!
lol calm down
@@eeebee6166 the balance is netter than ever
@@eeebee6166 mods, mods my friend
@@eeebee6166 but its more realistic. I mean it doesn't make any sense that you can infinitely grow pops on a planet forever as long as you have housing. Thats not how it works. This way growth makes sense. Now the manufacturing robots thing is ridiculous but the pop growth make logical sense. The previous growth mechanic made no realistic sense at all.
@@007mattattack in stellaris ftl exists, disons spheres should be dison swarms, Colossus should colapse into a planet, Mater deconpressors are somehow a thing, gateways exist, beings from other dimensions exist and so does gases based life, most alien species are not even close to realistic, ships somehow just fucking stop almost instantaniusly, ships are the size of planets and suns are only like 2x bigger than their planets. Stellaris cannot be fully realistic because it is a game. Somethings get skiped or ignored for a better Gameplay. Destroying the sistem of the most important resource in the game for realism is just as stupid as putting it so time only passes in real time.
You want to decrease pop growth? Just show them the wonders of animated pornography
that explains the aging population in japan.
Deploy ze hentai!
I'll show you my Blorg doujinshi collection for a little bit of Zro.
You guys saying it as a joke but irl those literally destroying Japan's birthrate lmao
@@HungNguyen-ku4uv Lol no
I learned something today!
No idea about carrying capacity. The total pop number now puts a soft cap on how large your empire can be which sucks if you want to conquer it all.
It also makes ringworlds and ecumenopoli useless but they said they will change it in dev diary.
@@SepuLtera-b3x yes, I finished my most recent game (Big Red Button) and will be waiting for the 3.0.0 live version
@@henryhunter9643 I did the *Big red Button* thing too and it was lame Its the most half done dlc I have ever seen.
@@SepuLtera-b3x to each their own, I was having a good cackle every time I blew up a star, ended up wiping out about 1/3 of a Large size galaxy. Capped on Dark Matter, I was doing it for fun
@@SepuLtera-b3x they aren’t useless at all
You know it's a big update when ASpec switches his stance on nihilistic acquisition.
I always thought that pop growth worked along the lines of, when two pops meet and like each other (a lot at least for a few minutes) and there’s enough food and a place to stay in time there will be more pops and the first two pops will have ruined their lives for the next 20 years or so by not having enough consumer goods, food, or money. Eventually (hopefully) the extra pop will move out find food and housing for itself meet a pop they like and the cycle repeats.
"Clerks don't matter anymore, get rid of them" Biological pops "Yeah"
Meanwhile in Machine Empire "SPAM.... MORE.... MAINTENANCE DRONES !!!"
(ME really need another way to produce amenities)
RIP machine empires because they're forced to get maintenance drones for amenities.
Isn't it the same for hivemind?
I learned pop growth is even more broken than I thought.
Yea, He explained it, and it made my head hurt. It is so backwards, and its clear that its half done. Clerks are useless, and I have no information as to what I was doing wrong and why my population growth was stalling with me being negative in consumer goods, and power.
@@SImrobert2001 it’s not backwards at all
@@0witw047 it's not backwards. It's instead a flaming pile of dung
I just want my fat populations back holy shit they've really messed it up. I remember using clerks to make trade zone worlds and now they're completely useless as well
Yeah, the more I watched the more horrifyingly batshit this system is. Beyond the total lack of realism of people not having kids because some planet on the other side of the galaxy is really big, the update dismantles entire sections of the game. Don't use your district slots. Don't grow your small planets. Don't use your clerks. Don't use your housing. Just don't use more than half of the resources the game is throwing at you, and hope that you can get a pop or two in the next century.
Any plan that involves dismissing all clerks is a plan I can get behind. Clerk output needs fixing.
New pop system:
My calamitous birth terravores: _I’ll ignore that._
You can't really extract pop from planet with the influence cost to pop resettlement. Am i wrong?
@@MonsieurJo you can, just remove all the jobs from the world save for like 1, and then wait for them to move on their own
@@MonsieurJo you can go hivemind or take certain civics
I learned something today, thank you.
Thank you ASpec, I learned something today. But I still maintain PDX needs to put a revamped tutorial in their Iterative Change version of Stellaris.
I completely agree
I learned something today. I’ll have to restart my run...
Thank You Aspec. Showing and highlighting Planetary Capacity has been sorely missing from every other video about the pop change I've seen. Makes understanding and now managing pop growth so much easier.
I knew about planet capacity but I hadn't realized the importance of backwater worlds for growing pops. Thanks a bunch, Aspec!
Thanks man, I was actually playing a Modded game (5000 stars 5X research time), about 30 planets and I was loosing my mind trying to manage those clerks by relocating them manually all the time. Didn't know I could have just turned it off. Going to save me a lot of time since now they'll just use the transit hub faster.
Try Shift-clicking to disable all of them at once.
Thanks ASpec, playing my first game and proper pop control was one of the few things that I didn't figure out on my own. I learned something today.
"It just works" - Tim the Wise One
The^ Enchanter
Well, I learned something today, as I always do with ASpec's great videos. Thanks man. You truly are a Grand Wizard of Stellaris and much, much more! Looking forward to your next video, as always. Cheers!!
I tried to learn something, but I got distracted thinking about the Slime Pit and the gang violence on Potato Prime
That explains a lot mate, now we know and knowing is half the battle
*G I JOOOOEE*
I learned something, thank you, Aspec.
Well time to do an only clerk no technicians empire just to spite Aspec
Would love to see it work
Another helpful video. I could imagine playing my first game in 3.0 with a perpetual WTF expression on my face. It would probably have taken me hours to realize that clerks are now useless. And let's not even talk about planet capacity...
I'm for them reducing pops again and removing this restriction on pops. I personally think a planet's carrying capacity should be determined by housing and available jobs, not some arbitrary empire number. The devs did move closer to their goal though, my late-game performance moves at "normal" speed instead of "very slow" speed when I have it turned up to "very fast".
honestly, rn the game is unplayable for me. its not about the lag tho its about me watching my empire having only 156 population with clone army in the year 2304 and needing 250 pop growth for one additional pop. i produce on every of my 10 planets androids and grow some biological pops aswell but until i can make my whole clone army into researchers it will take me probably another 50 years.
I have two predictions for the answer in the title:
1)too slow.
2)it just doesn't.
The location in the menu is what I needed. Thanks for the great info man!
Thank you for the video. I really, REALLY hope this get reviewed / fixed somehow in 3.0.3. The new pop system is counterintuitive as HELL. Having to leave worlds half developed on purpose and having to move them somewhere else (when you actually still have plenty of room on that planet) is not fun, and it lacks all logic. Clerk jobs being useless now is HORRIBLE in my opinion, not because I'm a fan of them, but having a whole job category in the game you have to DISABLE is just plain bad design. It just feels like the game was not meant to be played this way but the changes are so bad that this is the only way to play efficiently.
I learned something today. Just like in the Matrix: There were entire fields where the humans were no longer born but "grown"...
Very informative, as always.
Learned there is something called carry capacity, which is almost invisible if you aren't already looking for it.
Thanks for the info, and let's hope the devs clarify this stuff in the UI in upcoming patches.
"I learned something. Cool? Cool!" (I did the thing as requested sire)
Me: how long it would take to find something i dont know?
Aspec shows planet capacity in first minute
Me: surprised pikachu face
you also have eyes
then, you roll over the information, and with the help of said eyes, observe the sudden popup text
whaddya know
@@milanstevic8424 Yeah, but I would not have guessed that mousing over the planet size number would show a second number that didn't used to exist that has a meaningful impact on how that planet develops.
@@sannisrahl7154 you can't guess anything until you try it. you don't actually learn to read by staring at text do you?
first and foremost, this is a game where you get information by mousing over tiny text. ok, got it?
with that put aside, in order to properly comprehend anything, you are expected to tinker a bit and find a way to get useful information. how do you expect to play ANY game or use ANY software without getting to your senses first, and understand how the information is conveyed.
if you already know you're supposed to mouse over things, and there is a clear box in a colony window telling you how big a world is, WHY WOULDN'T you mouse over it?
no wonder every game is riddled with mindless tutorials if you're spoiled like that.
"MOVE YOUR CAMERA WITH WASD"
"uhm.. what's WASD" *watches video*
facepalm
@@sannisrahl7154 as a side note, who would've guessed that a planet size has to do with the population growth!!! mind boggling, incredible discovery!
@@milanstevic8424 Rude sarcasm aside, it feels like a failure of the UI to not include such an important number in a more visible way. I had missed that particular detail in the patch notes and there was only made aware when it was mentioned in the video. Judging by the response to the poll ASpec put out prior to this video and the comments here, I'm not alone having some difficulties in parsing the updated population mechanics and how they are presented to the player.
I do like carrying capacity as a system because it encourages you to remove tile blockers before you run out of districts to build. I agree that it should be advertised a bit more clearly in the UI.
Just in time for 3.0.3 to change the base numbers. Although they seem to be sticking with the core idea. I like the idea of reduced pop load to reduce game lag but....late game growth was a lot of the fun of the game, getting set up for it then exploding outwards.
I learned something, thank you Aspec.
Hello. Please make an updated video for pop growth mechanics now that there is some downtime before the next major update. This videos about two years old, and it could really help new players and veteran players understand how to help themselves. Thank you for your guides.
Also, as I understand clerks are no longer that useless, right?
Aspec's audience: "I learned something today"
TTSD audience: "NEERD!"
The name of the update very much matches what I understood how the pop system was changed. :D
Much easier to understand than Stefan's and another vid I watch on the topic. Thank you for dumbing it down.
WOW! Thanks for explaining this. I was thinking of getting back into playing Stellaris this week after over a year. This helps a ton!
THANK YOU I had figured out a bunch of this but you just wrapped everything up so well I feel like I actually understand it now, oml I've been doing it only half right.
You're welcome, the whole system is really janky
I've learned something today and I will re-learn everything again once they release new patch! :)
No idea if you'll see this but as a new player thank you Aspec,so far I've played what I suppose is "wide" and just expanded out as much as possible,building up all planets to suit my needs. But no more,you have taught me the art of specialization with this vid,so thank you. (Also anyone else feel free to give some advice to a noob in replies)
The only use for clerks as a way to ensure victory in the bid for hosting the galactic market hub apparently doesn't work out either, because a planet specifically built up for the competition, with 350+ trade value from thrifty domestic servants and three levels of nomination still can and does lose to a backwater empire capital with 50 trade value.
So basically it works similar to housing in Civ VI where once you get close to or over your housing limit pop growth slows to a crawl, except it's more of a curve than a spike.
Also RIP Clerk Jobs, liteally didn't get a single buff on the economy update. They should either generate more Trade Value, or make Trade Value worth more/do more things.
Learnt something. May the algorithm bless this video
Really helped getting back into the swing of Stellaris, here's your algorithm booster
I learned so much! The big things were no clerks and feeder worlds.
Yes I learned something today, thank you. In my opinion it was rather a dirty deed to 'hide' carrying capacity. Seems like it should have been prominently displayed on the summaries and outliner.
I learned something today. Using mods is becomming even more important now.
Chairman Aspec does the Galaxy's work again in this breakdown on those dreaded pops
You can’t trick me into writing a comment about population in Stellaris!!!!
As a veteran of this game, and I play this on hardest difficulty and often reach end-game by the 2400's, I definitely learned something Aspec, I was on my first run into this expansion, going for the custodian approach, and yeah, clerk jobs are pointless, the extra resources are just perfectly timed :D - thankyou for your insight mate :D
Thanks a million for this video Aspec! This is a fun game mechanic to keep a track of!
I learned something today.
2.8.1 opt in is a really thoughtful feature on Steam
oh, that's actually kind of interesting, before, it was large planets which would feed your small planets pops to grow past colony stage, but now, it's the small planets that need to feed the large ones because after a certain point, the large ones "stop" growing
Thanks for this man.
I have lost several games, just completely unable to support an economy because I couldn't maintain enough pops to keep the jobs flowing.
Planet capacity and how it affects pop growth may well be the key to my troubles. Thank you!
I've been building housing districts when I have the spare resources to support them just to increase pop growth
Upgrading the food processing facility only gives 1 extra job per district, so with 8 farming districts you would get 9 more, 1 job per district * 8 districts + the building itself gives 1 more job than the unupgraded facility(which only gives 1 job, and no extra jobs from districts).
I'm happy we get so see ASpec's face, now he's truly joined the GSG Dad community
Can we expect a lets play with guided commentary, maybe maybe?
Thats a good idea
I just started playing this week. Your guides are excellent!
I am currently in the middle of a game. I thought I had the system figured out. Then I watched this. I learned something today.
I learned something today!
Don't forget you can also build luxury residences in all the building slots opened up by those city districts to increase the pop capacity even further.
But I think your maths is off on how much those cities are doing, since each one is also consuming an 'empty' district worth four points of capacity.
Very informative, thank you for your continued work in enlightening us about the deep secrets of Stelarris.
I learned something today, and now I know why my tecent playthrough was so shit
Double is probably a good rule of thumb for the big worlds, but for the small worlds you want even more than that. What works for me is going straight for ~80 planetary capacity (which is what you'd want for 40 pops on that planet anyway). When I do that, the planets hit max pop growth somewhere in the range of 25-30 pops.
So THAT'S why the FE's keep building Sky-Domes.
And thanks to the production boost buildings now adding jobs per districts, we now can actually get everyone on a filled planet employed without spamming tons of commercial megaplexes.
Assuming a 100+ housing planet ever fills xd.
@@alexandererhard2516 nice
Well, I learned something today!
Once again Aspec to the rescue when I don't know what the hell is going on with my game. All I have to do now is not get spawned between marauders and fanatic purifiers and I'll be set...
In my head pops are like: I'mma not have children, those pops seven systems away already have children.
been waiting for this, thanks ASpec
I learned that my third Ascension Perk is almost always going to be the Arcology Project
Thank you for this video, I hope they make clerks valuable in some way in a update.
Today I learned where to find Planet Capacity.
While i did already find out some stuff myself i did still learn some new things from your vid, so thanks!
Domination tree gives housing on the capital building and housing buildings
Prosperity tree gives +1 housing to city districts.
i learned something today. also, i think the beta changes are gonna be great. loving the new update, even if it's been a learning curve.
WTF do you mean there is a new pop growth system?
Now I need to watch another video.
This was a great one, lots of valuable useable information, thanks.
I done learned something today! Thanks Aspec!
And it's changed significantly in 3.0.3 open beta 2. Clerks and trade is back, growth is slower, less explosive in the logistic phase and slows less near capacity.
I really like it, there's a better balance to the game now, as getting to the faster phase first is less important.
So the +10% for phobes and advanced starts are more containable, though the slow first contact process hampers co-op between empires who need to.
Yeah I learned something. Thanks for making the vid. Few questions about where to set up tech worlds but that'll probably become clear with another game. I need to stop playing my games at 5x tech/tradition. There in my latest game, I was just about to transition my homeworld into a clerk haven as per old 2.X habits.
I learned something today. The galaxy needs more Jeff!
I learned something today.
I learned we're supposed to be pushing the like button and not the lick button.
Thank you Aspec. My next play through will be better.
I wondered why they kept going to clerk jobs. Now I can shut them off.
I learned something today. Having said that I was doing OK without this knowledge right up to the endgame with emoty ringworlds and ecumenopoli. Very useful info though
You uh essentially -force- efficiently and proactively convince your population to make a lot of babies! It works well most of the time
Get rid of clerks, got it. Dank je wel! :)
I hope they will fix pop growth issue
it's so terrible lategame, if you want to gain pops you need to raid pops/steal planets /abuse the slave market
My knowledge has increased. Knowledge is power, use it wisely.
“I learned something today!”
Going to dominate my multiplayer game tonight now.
had to watch this video twice for the knowledge to fully settle
also had to play a game to test this (it worked insanely well)
I LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY
I watch most of the tutorials for 3.0 but this one. I got to 2400 and growth on all my planets slowed down. I put perks, gene clinics and every tech that increased pop growth with no results. I uninstalled the game, read online people where having the same issues and now found your video confirming this issue. So clerks are truly bad since you want those pops to work on something that gives back value. So yeah I did learn something
Cities start with 5 housing, imperious architecture doesn't give extra housing from city districts, public works division(prosperity tree) does, that's why he only had 7 housing per district. So city districts without upgrade do give extra planetary capacity on non-gaia worlds.
I completely understand how it works now just tested this about 10 min ago and holy crap okay so now I can make ring worlds work for me ..... I would like to add that when your building up those small worlds to be pop farms throw down some admin cap job not a tone but a smidge to offset the sprawl. I also replace my admin building and clerk jobs on my home world with resurch centers as soon as I can
I didn’t learn too much, but I’m sure many did. Beware city districts - unless they are improved by tech/trads, they only increase cc by a tiny amount. Empty districts offer cc, so clearing blockers is often more effective. Check the wiki for the cc offered by empty districts on differing planet types, subtract that from housing offered by city districts to evaluate the increase in cc.