I love the idea that not having been in town could be a stronger alibi than having been prepubescent when the last murders were committed, and also not being Dahmer.
@@ArchibaldClumpy I'm not saying I think Mike commited a series of gruesome murders as a child, I'm just saying, should new information arise about him being in Milwaukee at the time, maybe re-open the case.
I'm married to a soccer mom, and she is a true crime addict. it's inexplicable. But then again, I watch 1.5 hour videos of 4 drunkards in Milwaukee talking about the worst movies on earth, so maybe I'm in no place to judge.
Maybe there's a youtube channel where 4 drunken wine moms talk about the best and worst true crime things on earth, where their soccer mom audience post comments wondering why their soccer dad husbands are so inexplicably addicted to watching 1.5 hour videos of 4 drunkards in Milwaukee talking about the worst movies on earth.
It's popular enough that even South Park picked up on it. I don't know if they coined the term, but they called it "murder porn." It fits like a glove, too - women are irrationally addicted to it like men who watch too much porn, and it adds just as much value to the world as porn does.
you're a middle-aged woman who watched Dahmer--Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story because you are obsessed with true crime. i'm a middle-aged woman who watched Dahmer--Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story because I needed full context before I could watch the re:View episode about it. we are not the same.
Ha! Good comment but you didn't say anything about being a soccer mom or not. Anyways, I watched the full re:view without watching the show because Evan Peter's is going to give me nightmares. They happened to talk more about the real world stuff with dahmer Instead of details of the happenings in each episodes so there was no problem enjoying it.
I disagree .. @29:05 Mike gives the hot take: "Dahmer was a piece of s**t kinda boring guy who was like a failure on everything".. and a little later with an addendum: "a complete failure of a person with proclivity towards a weird sexual problem".
My sister was murdered and the ID channel made an exploitative, scummy show about. Because she was an artist, they wanted a narrative about a free-spirited hippy girl stabbed to death by a religious fanatic, but really it was my sister who was more the strict, Bible-believing Christian. I let them interview me, and mentioned her faith in every answer I gave so they couldn’t edit it out. So in the finished product they only used one very brief clip from my interview.
Sorry for your loss. It's terrible when anything like that occurs. As far as cruddy true crime stuff goes, I think it's on its way out, or at least will be held to higher standards in the near-ish future. Congratulations for at least trying to set the record straight.
the inherent exploitation of the tragedy-even in the most tasteful, hypothetical attempt to tell the story to a wider, entitled audience-notwithstanding... I will NEVER understand why people who work on this media insist on leading the narrative down familiar narrative paths. There's never a good reason for it.
I think one of the saddest parts about all these exploitative true crime pieces is that they give a lot of the killers exactly what they wanted; undying attention and spectacle.
Yup and if anything it fuels future events like that because people with those fucked up thoughts realize how much it “celebrated” in our culture and media. It’s fucked up and gross. If you’re gonna make a serial killer movie make it from the police’s point of view and make it FICTIONAL.
Yeah. I thought about that when Mike said something about famous serial killers. The last thing they deserve is fame. Countless good people die and are forgotten, while the worst humanity has to offer get to enjoy a privilege once reserved for ancient Egyptian god-kings: Being remembered forever. Immortality.
@@dannybowers4133 Nope, he isn't. He lives rent free in a lot of minds. There's a few killers that do it simply for that. For the shock and fame, and the knowledge people will talk about them forever. A lot of it is about power, power over the victims, and power over the public. We can't get rid of them, no matter what.
I don't understand how anyone can find these true crime murder shows interesting. War documentaries about industrial-scale murder, now that's interesting.
There's some irony that the show criticizes the bulldozing of the apartment building and the decision to put nothing (even no memorial) on the spot. Right now it's an empty lot and people *still* treat it like a weird pilgrimage site. Can you imagine how gross it would be if there was a victims memorial and it was mobbed with true crime fans?
There is a weird point about halfway through where the creators almost went into damage control mode. They spent so long glamourising these murders they thought "oh shit, we should probably start saying how bad it is and remember these were people...err you people who are fascinated by him...shame on you! Now everyone, sit back and enjoy someone brutally bashing his face in with a pipe"
@@jebus89 tbf Jeffery Dahmer is one of the weirdest and most strange serial killer cases in American history. There's so much weird shit surrounding him and the people around him. It's hard not to glamorize him with a drama because he's a very mysterious guy and that just comes off as kind of charismatic in a drama even if he was an absolute monster.
Forgive me for asking, can you explain how women self identify with true crime? Got a Mom who can't enough of the genre Not being malicious just curious.
It’s disappointing to me that this show is getting all this attention while Mindhunter, an excellent Netflix series showing the process of STOPPING serial killers, gets cancelled.
it certainly did the subversive stuff Mike and Jay were suggesting might have been the intent for this show, like confronting the serial killer fandom aspect and showing it for all it's ugliness, but Mindhunter did it on purpose soo....
The first season of Mindhunter was really damn good. The second was still pretty good, but not as much. It could have been fixed, though. It could have become an amazing show.
Will he be walking around with a gun pointed at his temple for the entirety of 10 hours? Also, will there be a narrator with an extremely nasal voice who'd try to gaslight the audience?
Yeah. I find these people interesting ... looking how messed up our brains can be, what leads to that and what comes of it. But that's what books and serious documentaries are for ... preferably not just about these super popular cases.. There you get actual information packed as exactly that. Not some glorifying entertainment bs. I think it's absolutely disgusting to make money with these stories and playing them out for the world to see and try to shock the audience, just so that some people can be entertained. Make some stuff up, of that's the goal.
@@LipziG3R Same. But even then, it's a tightrope to pull off. When it comes to Dahmer media, the only one I liked is My Friend Dahmer. It's from the perspective of Dahmer's friend and gives you an insight into Dahmer's life.
Fun fact: Did you the straw that finally broke Dahmer and prompted him to begin his serial killings was after he sent in his broken VCR to a local shop for repair but when he got it back in the mail it was still broken and filled with pizza rolls.
It was gross. Playing music that’s just short of Benny hill lampooning what’s likely a bunch of dead white women while at the same time claiming this movie was disrespectful to victims was a bit glaring. These two guys are idiots.
His brain is slowly deteriorating from a combination of alcoholism, bad movies, star trek picard, and becoming elderly. We're seeing it in near real time.
@@regulustheron2565 I think what they mean is that it's different between living and growing up there. If you grew up in Milwaukee around the time of the murders the locations become inseparable from the events. It becomes common knowledge to the point you don't Need to discuss it with your neighbors. But to the outsiders coming in they don't see that. It's the difference between someone in your neighborhood getting murdered and someone in your city. One is omnipresent while the other is distant
Its kinda like that with San Francisco with Zodiac and London with the Ripper. Its this ever lasting fog that never seems to pass and it just draws in the weirdest people and nobody cares that people died.
This was just nonsense, this was pre 9/11 knowledge, without a tv show the memory would remain long faded. No one cares about Milwaukee beyond the fact that they decided to import disaster.
I wonder if it's due to the alcoholism, or if it's due to Mike having constantly been in the presence of Rich Evans for so long that he's absorbed, via osmosis, Rich's penchant for mush-mouth-speak and malapropisms. Hey, why can't it be both things?
@Olathian Whiskey You literally have this backwards...Mike would murder the Jay and describe the laugh. Jay is the one thing for laughing at perverse knowns, or do people know what you even these?
16:40 - Brock Turner actually lives in a suburb of my hometown Dayton, Ohio. He is absolutely vilified publically and any time he's spotted at a local bar or downtown there's a mob of people who will kick him out and post warnings of his sightings on Facebook. His sentence was absolutely too lenient, but the local public has not allowed him a moment of peace. Dayton also suffered a mass shooting several years ago and has banded together to eradicate this kind of thing from the community as far as the law will allow. Just a little update for anyone interested.
"Fine Mr Goodman, but he still committed murder, so even if we dismiss the cannibalism charges, he abducted, drugged and murdered young men, my decision is he is guilty and will be executed."
"That seems very dramatized". That's because quite a bit of it didn't happen. That's the thing that bothered me the most about the doc, the misinformation that people are taking as fact. Glenda wasn't Jeffrey's neighbor. She wasn't calling the police over several victims, she called about that poor child who was murdered. He didn't interact with her. There's no proof that Jeffrey and Anthony had a relationship. Apparently he had a friend named Jeff and Jeffrey claimed they met for the first time that night. They romanticized a murderer and his victim. I feel bad for the victims and their families having to relive this.
the part where he goes to glenda‘s apartment to give her a meat sandwich was so gross to me, it was like they were painting him out to be hannibal lector
@@xxplasticxx4893 apparently that story is true but the sandwich wasn't given to Glenda but a different neighbor who said they believed after the fact that it was human meat. Who knows though, one of the criminal psychologists who worked on Jeffrey in one documentary on UA-cam claimed in the last month leading up to his arrest the only meat Jeffrey was consuming was the free meat of his victims. It was the only type of meat packaged up and cooked in his apartment, there was multiple pans and pots with cooked human meat on his stove during his arrest. So apparently the cannibalism was in fact pretty hardcore towards the end.
That's the problem with these dramatizations like When They Ses Us, or Dahmer, people start remembering fake historical events. The Cnetral Park Five were never exonerated and Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.
It felt so random an unnecessary to have the recreations of the crimes of Ed Gein and John Wayne Gacy. Like they really saw it as an MCU movie where your other favorite characters make a cameo
@@RealTalkAlexV I get that. But did we really needed to see him doing vile things, in full Pogo costume? To me it seemed exploitative, looking to shock with another messed up serial killer, getting the same response as a celebrity cameo, but for the true crime community
Remember how everyone thought 2016 was such a bad year because a few extra celebrities died? Holy f*ck, we had no idea how good we had it. Now most adults hate most celebrities lol
People just forget that one of the 3 people he killed at his grandmothers home was ALSO a 14 year old boy. There was no dramatic escape to turn into a tense TV scene so people completely forgot about that kid.
@@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376 .....no, if you look at his list of victims, there were 2 14 yr Olds that he killed. They only highlighted the one that nearly escaped.
I lived in an inner city area for almost 12 years. Going to the grocery store was always depressing because the community bulletin board was always filled with missing persons posters. Almost all of them were young kids. I realized that if this one grocery store on the outskirts of my relatively small Rust Belt city had this much of a problem, how bad was it across the country? Sure, a good chunk of them just ran away, but a lot are probably . . . It's tough to think about.
I live in the human trafficking capital of the US and let me tell you. We don't get nearly ENOUGH missing persons posters or bulletins. Like the state puts it all out of sight out of mind. Reminds me of the citizens of Derry in IT.
On average 60,000 people go missing every year in the U.S. never to be seen again. Where are all these people going?, Would be my first question and my second would be, Why are not more people questioning where they are?
I moved to Atlanta in 90 and had no idea that 28 kids where murdered from 1979-81. I know now that there were countless more that occurred before (wrote off as runaways since they were never found) and after (wrote off as runaways or not counted because they convicted a man of 2 murders (just 2) but blamed him for the rest).
I got a shop in Pittsburgh... in late December 2020, this group of people came in asking if they could put up missing posters in my store front windows. They were the friends and sisters of a girl that was last seen at the tea shop directly across the street from my shop 2 days before. It was brutal watching them. They were frazzled. Obviously been awake with stress the days leading up to them coming in. I felt so f*cking bad. The girl was in her early 20s. A few days after they came by someone found the girls bookbag and shoes on the Homestead Bridge, but she was never found. .... the saddest part, aside from her being gone, are the worn and sunbleached posters still on the streetlight poles around town. Even being laminated, theyre faded to being almost unrecognizable. Sad stuff.
The main thing that made me honestly angry is that the writing of Tracy Edwards situation with Dahmer is a complete left turn from what actually happened. He wasn’t gay, he didn’t come on to Jeffrey, they didn’t meet at a gay bar, none of it was accurate. The Only things that were was that he was watching the exorcist and that he put his head on Tracy’s heart and told him he wanted to eat it. That’s it. I think it’s very damning to change an actually person’s whole character in a media circuit for views. I didn’t watch after that.
100%! I heard a lot about the show before deciding to watch it. My friends at work were recommending it like crazy. I had a lot of reservations, but I decided to take a look. I only got about half way through before I had to stop watching it because I started to fact check every episode as I went. It's ASTOUNDING how much stuff is completely wrong or made up. And this only strengthened the negative feelings I had about it from the start. They said they made it in respect of the families- false. They said Dahmer wouldn't be the central character- false. They said it was supposed to highlight the problems people of colour (and specifically gay men of colour) faced during that time- which they maybe did somewhat, but it feels a lot more like exploitation than awareness. They also wrote his mom's struggle with mental illness into being the comedic relief. I told myself that if it was AT LEAST a factual retelling of events then there was some merit to it and worth watching. But it failed even on that level, so, like Mike, it left me wondering 'what am I even getting out of this?'. This whole thing is just a cash grab with no thought put into how it actually affects real people. I rarely think there is anything that shouldn't have been made, but this show? It shouldn't have been made.
I mean Tracy Edward is a pedophile, so I could not give a crap about disrespectful portrayal of him. But for the other victims it is disrespectful, inaccurate at time and some of the side character story is fabricated in some part to push a political narrative which feel scummy. Black and Gay people being discriminated by the police is already a powerful and factual narrative, but pushing for BLM comparison by creating fictitious side story is just irksome.
Episode one - A man walks through a packed fairground holding a balloon. Everyone looks happy except for him. He looks up at the rides, almost enviable of the riders' collective joy. JUMP CUT TO: Man from fairground is stood with a friend, who is on the phone. Man: Yeah, well me and my friend Rich Evans aren't coming back to be in your stupid movie!
They were talking about how the actor wasn't creepy as dahmer but listening to people in the gay community and circles Dahmer ran in they all emphasized how respected and well liked Dahmer was, they thought he was an absolute darling and didn't find him creepy at all, he was a big hit at the club and bar scene.
I haven't seen the show but I'm kind of glad that true crime stuff is getting backlash. In the last several years it's gotten increasingly exploitative and sensationalist, and it's a little too much in the mainstream. I understand that a lot of these crimes are very interesting and the information should be available to people, but it's gotten out of hand. You can go to any UA-cam channel or podcast the deals with "spooky" things like ghosts, cryptids, etc, and every other video will just be about real world violent crimes and they're treating them like they are the same level of seriousness as a UFO story. Netflix released Dahmer in the weeks leading up to Halloween. I don't think that's the coincidence. It's pretty messed up to try to turn real life tragedies into the basis for holiday movies.
Glad to see these kind of comments. I saw this being pushed and was disgusted. They need to stop "honoring" these horrific people with cinema. They obviously did it because true crime stuff is massively popular (with so many American women I know, in particular). I hope that consumers actually stop supporting this stuff. I think it really may create future monsters who have nothing left to lose and think that maybe they can leave an infamous enough story that some boardroom psychos will glorify the story with dollar signs in their eyes.
The show actually did a pretty good job of not glorifying him tho. My awful opinion is that true crime moms are the same as WW2 documentary dad's, yea their obsession with these tragedies is weird but theyre not hurting anyone by consuming that type of content. I think what you're asking for is impossible, people will never stop being fascinated by tragedies so true crime will forever be one of the most popular genres of content. Not saying that's a good thing but I think humans are naturally too curious to stop talking about and consuming this type of stuff
This sort of thing was may more present in the 90s. Subcultures been revelling in serial killer smut since the 80s (Industrial, death metal, grind core...), then in the 90s it pushed mainstream.
.... AHS took A LOT of patience for me to get through... not really an upstanding statement when describing a series. Dahmer ran out of gas about 2/3 through the series, i thought, if anyone is watching this, its usually horror fans who say they respect the victims, and not sensationalism of the killer..... really? ....really? 🙄
At one point in time Netflix had me laughing as I was browsing because Children of the Corn was under "Children's Movies". I mean technically it does have children in it.
when they started talking about the Milwaukee accent I immediately remembered a woman from that video shouting at a cop asking her to hand over her knives(?) or something saying "I'm soh sec of yer shit!"
The true crime obsession is something I never really looked into until I started dating a girl who was obsessed with that stuff. Don’t get me wrong, like most people I grew up being fascinated with the otherworldly acts of these serial killers and their motives but it was just fleeting interest for me personally. These true crime stories pretty much write themselves therefore the content is easy to produce and easy to consume. The mystery is there, the villain is there, the motives are there, the relatability is there, etc. There’s always that hint of voyeurism that muddies the waters a bit though. All in all, these kinds of movies/shows have their place.
The mystery is there because the motive for the murders is rarely explored. As a society we focus on the symptoms rather than the problems because it is easier to be seen to be doing something.
@@MajorT0m To be fair it's hard to understand the motives of a serial killer and to a large degree I do think there's just something wrong with their brains. I agree with you when it comes to spree shooters and whatnot, though.
I think telling the story in a more traditional linear way would have been a mistake. But not because it would have bored the audience; If you structured the story in a way where you watch Dahmer grow up and become a serial killer, I think you run the risk of appearing to want to humanize a monster. Especially since episode 1 (and maybe even 2) would have been about his dysfunctional family and childhood, and the end of the show would have been about him in prison seeking forgiveness. Starting the show on his final "kill" was a good way of solidifying that no matter what happens after episode 1, the audience is fully aware of how evil this person was.
It should have been told COMPLETELY backwards, start in the 2020s addressing how people saw the Dahmer killings today then crash to the reality of the trial which is where the public first know about Dahmer and the reaction to a cannibalistic serial killer. Their lurid reaction to this which by extraordinary coincidence came to public knowledge at the same time as Silence of The Lambs swept the Oscars and was a story all about a cold calculating cannibalistic serial killer. And I think it really should have been challenged the idea that Dahmer is really as he presents himself in court and prison interviews as if he's some detached semi-catatonic pathetic person. The idea that this is an act really should be challenged, I mean, there was no way he could evade responsibility he was caught red handed. The only way he could possibly save himself was to act like a malfunctioning android. But was he? Sure he wasn't a gleeful gloating slasher killer but does that mean he wasn't just another sadist? He killed people in ways that were slow, painful and also extremely varied, I think there's a lot to challenge the idea that he wasn't just another sensation-driven predator. I really don't think there's much point going to his childhood, while something in his childhood MAY have caused him to end up like this there's no way you can know what. I want a film that deconstructs the myth of Dahmer, and gets down to the man, who is - I believe - just another killer. It is my belief any cold blooded killer is a serial killer if they can keep getting away with it, if they can kill once then they can kill again.
What makes people like Dahmer, or Lizzie Borden, or whoever, interesting media fodder isn't "they did X", but "what causes a person to become capable of x"?
@@Hugsloth Sure, but when making a dramatization of a serial killer its probably best you don't lose focus of the fact that they are indeed a serial killer. Especially when not every viewer of your show is going to be familiar with the story.
Jay: "True Crime is popular with soccer mums because their lives are so boring!" Also Jay: "Every year there comes another Dahmer movie out. But I watch it anyway."
Correct… Jay dumps on soccer moms for rubbernecking Dahmer but literally has watched and has an easy familiarity with EVERY DAHMER FILM EVER MADE. Dude is a fucking hypocrite who needs to turn the microscope on himself. He loves and laps up exploitation unapologetically; can’t get enough.
"I'm weirdly obsessed with stories like Jeffery Dahmer, so I thought I could do a movie about him and shine a spotlight on his victims... but also make a shit tonne of cash doing it" is probably as altruistic of a motivation one can have in Hollywood or any Hollywood adjacent industry.
But the true crime genre does that, and it’s just as awful and salacious and constructed. I prefer dramatisation - you can discuss larger themes (can a monster ever be forgiven or ‘saved’?). A doco can only deliver the facts, not the question we’re all asking by watching: why?! How?!
@Dangerope she was an amalgamation of real life people. She represented the trauma of being a neighbour of a serial killer and a “Cassandra” in not being believed.
I don’t think the goal was to make Dahmer sympathetic by casting Evan Peters but rather to humanize him, which ultimately is the most terrifying thing. He wasn’t some creature under your bed, or some unstoppable force, he was just a guy. A guy who had a twisted mind, and it’s scary to think there’s more of them out there or even worse, that you could be capable of such things.
I really don't think I'd be capable of cutting out a human heart and eating it. I really have a hard time consuming organ meat as it is. Now human skin however, fry it a bit until it's crispy and nice, maybe add some seasoning, myeah. So anyway, what are you up to this weekend?
@@danielhaden6674 with enough butter, herbs and garlic you can even make snails tolerable to eat. I'm sure human is far easier than that to make palatable
@@Lilybun there’s an interview with a guy from Japan I believe? Either way, he travelled somewhere to eat someone and didn’t get arrested for it, and in the interview he described that the most similar meat to human is veal.
I don’t understand why the creators didn’t stick to the facts. (Like the man who escaped was actually not gay.) Because the truth, itself, is extremely disturbing. Plus, people will watch the show and think all that it portrays is what actually happened.
How do you not recreate how he was arrested, it’s better than any fiction they created. In this it’s because the cops find some pictures… in real life it’s because they checked the fridge as they were leaving and saw a human head. Who changes that aspect of the story??
This has been my biggest gripe being in the horror community for so long, too many edgy tryhards who forget themselves when fact and fiction collide. I see horror merch stores selling shirts with serial killers on them and more or less putting them on a pedestal, while the victims families still live and mourn. You can flirt with the dark side of life without respecting it. I felt like it was only a matter of time before zoomers came along and started doing the same shit.
I love horror in general and went down a rabbit hole of serial killer docs and info about ten years ago. That shit still haunts me to this day. The fact that people are so into it like it's pro wrestling or something is alarming. I don't even want to watch this review and I love RLM's videos. I think a lot of people lack empathy/imagination and don't understand that under slightly different circumstances, they could be killers themselves. I try to stick with ghosts and goblin type horror stuff these days and avoid serial killer films whenever possible.
I went to fearfest in Raleigh, NC in May, I saw these things including a cutting board with a picture of Dahmer and it says something like I'm glad that you are here for dinner. It didn't offend me but I still thought it was trashy and had no interest in buying something that glorfied a real life killer.
Same, I like horror and horror themed stuff, but too many people in general are insensitive inconsiderate assholes who seem to unironically believe some of these things are cool. I have a similar gripe with people who are into witchcraft relates things who seem to think it's ok to steal body parts from cemeteries and murder animals for "rituals".
Yeap. Always say the exact same thing. I love the horror community and will collect Michael Myers and freddy kruger merch till no end. But when people in this community start collecting Manson dolls or Gacy paintings or toys. I absolutely check out with that. Those were real life pieces of shit that don’t deserve any more attention in any way. Hate how a ton of people in the horror community mix up idolizing these low lifes with just part of horror.
I'm glad I checked to see if someone else made this joke first. Nothing tackier than making the same joke as someone else, except for making THIS joke.
I always enjoy Mike and Jay being able to see through the media smokescreen of what is being said about a show/movie and seeing a piece for what it is and judging it on that with relevant cultural contexts to how something like this gets produced and created.
The Midwest is kind of weird when it comes to serial killer glorification. Obviously, these are horrible creatures that should never be celebrated by any stretch of the imagination, but you'll be surprised how often people like John Wayne Gacy (who had a documentary series last year on HBO Max), the Angel of Death, Carl Watts, or Herb Baumeister (another guy who targeted gay people though not for cannibalistic purposes) get brought up.
We should definitely take a minute to notice how surprising it is to see Niecy Nash in such a serious role and doing so well in it. I'd only known her from "Reno 911!" and some other comedy roles, and it took me at least a full episode or two of this to realize that she was playing Glenda Cleveland.
the way they just threw a 0.1 second reference to jeff he who lives at home 10 years later and i instantly got it really made me think about my life choices
Just wait; 20 years from now we're going to get a god damn dramatized Chris-Chan series like this. Only we're not going to get a big movement from the victim's family, because the monster in that story IS the victim's family!
I feel like My Friend Dahmer pretty much said all you need to know on the subject. It's a good film, if you haven't seen it. As the title suggests, it was written by someone who was friends with Dahmer as a teenager and kind of subtlety explains how he became who he became.
I love Mike casually admitting he likes AHS and Jay immediately shooting him down, it's like a 6 year old trying to convince his friend that Barney is still cool
I did not see My Friend Dahmer, but the comic it’s based on is very good. It was made by a classmate of his and it only looks at his life before the murders started. I think this is the proper way to explore someone like this, as it looks at the conditions that lead someone to this kind of behavior. There is no exploitation in that one.
My Friend Dahmer was really good. This series was mostly just made up 2022 lies to fit an agenda instead of just telling the story. They had to "send a message." Talk about exploiting victims.
I was interested in looking at that. This was years ago, before the Netflix series, probably around the time that My Friend Dahmer was released. Never had an inclination to know what Dahmer did as if you grew up in the 90s, you'd have an idea by now. But I think I will check this out.
@@userface4414 you definitely should. The author, Derf Beckderf was already a successful cartoonist when he made it, so its form and content are both handled with care.
An entire episode of his neighbor hearing all the terrible sounds and smells coming from his apartment, how it affected her even at her place of employment, how she freaked out on the police when they finally arrested him... Yet in reality she never even lived in his apartment building.
The character was 2 characters. The one that was calling the cops throwing a fit was over exaggerated she called the cops the one night made a check u guys call when she seen the same kid missing in the paper she was never even in the same building as jeffery. His neighbor was fairly quiet
I think we are so accustomed to judging a work of art by the intent and motivations of the artist, we can forget that the audience has motivations as well. And maybe the two are linked more than we care to admit. Artists don't create in a vacuum, as if no one is going to see or hear their work. We can learn just as much about the people choosing to watch this show as about the people who made it.
I honestly really liked this review. One of the more opinionated RLM reviews and legitimately insightful conversation into the nature of media and whether or not art has any obligations when it comes to depicting its subjects. Still delightfully sardonic too, definitely a new favorite.
I agree. RLM has many great episodes and this is one of my favorites because its a frank conversation about a complex issue and they both raise decent points, and they still fit in irreverent humor we all love.
@@nonchalantgravy I unironically honestly no joke clapped for that montage. That put this problem of preferable media victims in your face, it was so well done.
As I was watching this is what I was thinking. I laughed a few times but this seemed different. Then I was like Mike is going to say something and bring it back full circle, he can't help himself. For 45 min I watched and listened and learned few things and was left laughing. God love ya mike
As a NYC Ghostbuster, I take ppl on a walking tour and feel slightly guilty everytime I say: : "And this is where a giant marshmallow rampaged through Columbus Circle"
When Dahmer first got arrested, I remember one of my dad's friends saying "Jeffrey Dahmer's bologna really did have a first name." I didnt really understand it at the time, but now, that is dark.
When I first heard about someone being "thirsty," I thought it was alluding to their alcoholism. Turns out, it was alluding to horniness. Now that I think about it, if it DID refer to alcoholism, Mike would have already known what Jay was talking about. You know, because of Mike's first-hand knowledge and experience on the subject.
Speaking for myself, and likely most regular people drawn to serial killer and other true crime... I've been fascinated since I read about a girl kidnapped/kept underground in a box, (in Reader's Digest, as a kid in the early 70's). The fascination is def not the gore or the dark side. It's basically the psychology behind what creates a human like this, and mostly the satisfaction when they are identified, caught, and ultimately convicted and put away for good. I can't stand to watch unsolved cases. It's a reminder that the bad guy got away with it.
I want to understand the psychology, and also the investigation that finally catches these monsters. But it is very frustrating how incompetent the cops are for a long time before they finally luck out.
As a foreigner, I found out that whole reaction and debate about the morality of the Dahmer show, very interesting. Here in Brazil, our biggest serial killer who claimed to have killed 100 people (most of them in jail), got out because you can only do max. 30 years in jail here, and now has an UA-cam channel were he calls himself "ex-killer" and tries to break down criminal motives, so we kinda gave up on the idea
I mean that's what Bundy did, too. Just in a different way. It's absolutely a strong common thread for a number of serial killers. Also the need to possess and be close to their victims, only as corpses and not living, autonomous people.
I think true crime shows are also a way for people to face their worst fears about life from the comfort of their couch. I think some people are very much afraid of being killed by a serial killer and true crime shows allow them to deal with that fear in some indirect way while eating chips.
Personally…as one of the many “soccer/wine moms”.. I don’t watch true crime shows for the fear factor. I’m more interested in: how could someone do that, why they did it that way, if the victim got away, and more of the facts of an event. I also like the ending of most of these stories that tell you that the killer got killed in jail or has finally got caught… If I wanted fear, I would go walking alone down the street.
That's exactly what Wes Craven said about horror movies. Its in our subconscious and everyone is capable of acting on sub primal things from our reptile brain. Good thoughts.
@Justawhiteguy1960 Sadly true. Worst trending topic on Twitter I've ever seen was in 2019. Ted Bundy fans fighting with Charles Manson fans. Ugh ugh ugh
9:37 'People's misery is an industry' So true! There was a series of murders and sting operations in my area taking down a group of pedophiles (the stings) and a drug gang (the murders) and a documentary team came to my high school to get interviews from the kids who lived in that area (including myself). It felt so wrong.
this is a really well put-together conversation that is sensitive and earnest about the discussion around sensationalism. Thank you guys for making it.
Evan peters performance is annoying because he’s a good actor and gives it his all but he’s way too hot to be dahmer for me and his face or the hair just doesn’t fit to begin with.
When they were showing all the Dahmer movies that were out there, and then they drop “Jeff who lives at home” on top of the stack😂…Couldn’t stop laughing 😂. Blink and you miss it at 5:38.
True crime has been a massive hit ever since late 18th century, people always say “why true crime now?” And the only answer is that it’s not just now but people have always had a morbid curiosity.
"Making money off people's misery is an industry."
-Mike Stoklasa, founder of RedLetterMedia, employer of Rich Evans
lol
Cut him some slack, it's keeping Rich off the streets.
this comment actually made me laugh out loud
@@BashoftheMonth Rich off the streets and in the sheets
"How does it feel to see all your favorite franchises just go down in flames?"
3:17 "You and I weren't living in Milwaukee at the time".
Nice to know Mike and Jay have alibis for the murders.
I know, right? So convenient...
I love the idea that not having been in town could be a stronger alibi than having been prepubescent when the last murders were committed, and also not being Dahmer.
@@ArchibaldClumpy Didn’t you watch the show? ANYONE can be Jeffrey Dahmer.
@@ArchibaldClumpy I'm not saying I think Mike commited a series of gruesome murders as a child, I'm just saying, should new information arise about him being in Milwaukee at the time, maybe re-open the case.
Rich doesn't.
I'm married to a soccer mom, and she is a true crime addict. it's inexplicable. But then again, I watch 1.5 hour videos of 4 drunkards in Milwaukee talking about the worst movies on earth, so maybe I'm in no place to judge.
Maybe there's a youtube channel where 4 drunken wine moms talk about the best and worst true crime things on earth, where their soccer mom audience post comments wondering why their soccer dad husbands are so inexplicably addicted to watching 1.5 hour videos of 4 drunkards in Milwaukee talking about the worst movies on earth.
It's popular enough that even South Park picked up on it. I don't know if they coined the term, but they called it "murder porn." It fits like a glove, too - women are irrationally addicted to it like men who watch too much porn, and it adds just as much value to the world as porn does.
@@afz902k there is??!!
double standards 😅
And you should be careful, very careful
you're a middle-aged woman who watched Dahmer--Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story because you are obsessed with true crime. i'm a middle-aged woman who watched Dahmer--Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story because I needed full context before I could watch the re:View episode about it. we are not the same.
Ha! Good comment but you didn't say anything about being a soccer mom or not. Anyways, I watched the full re:view without watching the show because Evan Peter's is going to give me nightmares. They happened to talk more about the real world stuff with dahmer Instead of details of the happenings in each episodes so there was no problem enjoying it.
Whoo
Based
@@amitmeena2961 "Haha! Good comment, so are you single?"
@@Marcelo_DBZ_Music "Haha! Everybody look at me, I'm the edgy boy on the block"
Mike's hot take: "Dahmer... he's not a good person." Controversial stuff but I rely on these guys to push the boundaries
The worst thing about him was the hypocrisy.
@@Owl90 I miss Norm.
@@zzzzzzz88 That's not his name.
I disagree ..
@29:05 Mike gives the hot take: "Dahmer was a piece of s**t kinda boring guy who was like a failure on everything".. and a little later with an addendum: "a complete failure of a person with proclivity towards a weird sexual problem".
He's a real jerk!
My sister was murdered and the ID channel made an exploitative, scummy show about. Because she was an artist, they wanted a narrative about a free-spirited hippy girl stabbed to death by a religious fanatic, but really it was my sister who was more the strict, Bible-believing Christian.
I let them interview me, and mentioned her faith in every answer I gave so they couldn’t edit it out. So in the finished product they only used one very brief clip from my interview.
Sorry for your loss. It's terrible when anything like that occurs.
As far as cruddy true crime stuff goes, I think it's on its way out, or at least will be held to higher standards in the near-ish future.
Congratulations for at least trying to set the record straight.
Fuck sorry for your loss
That really made me angry to read. I’m sorry that happened to your sister and to her memory.
That's really unfortunate, it's so gross how these people profit off of tragedy by twisting and over-dramaticizing the details.
the inherent exploitation of the tragedy-even in the most tasteful, hypothetical attempt to tell the story to a wider, entitled audience-notwithstanding... I will NEVER understand why people who work on this media insist on leading the narrative down familiar narrative paths. There's never a good reason for it.
Bunch of jobs.
Lived with grandma.
Milwaukee.
Weird childhood.
Anyone keeping an eye on Rich?
Don't worry Mike will leak it all when he founds the funniest/most embarrassing moment for Rich to do so.
Dick the b̶i̶r̶t̶h̶d̶a̶y̶ ̶bo̶y̶ serial killer
This really re-contextualizes his birthday shirt...
The latest slasher horror sensation in the style of Silent Night, Deadly Night and Sleepaway Camp:
DICK THE BIRTHDAY BOY.
Eyes on Evans
“Dahmer was just a kind of piece of shit boring guy who was failure at everything…”
Mike always tells it as it is.
I think one of the saddest parts about all these exploitative true crime pieces is that they give a lot of the killers exactly what they wanted; undying attention and spectacle.
Yup and if anything it fuels future events like that because people with those fucked up thoughts realize how much it “celebrated” in our culture and media. It’s fucked up and gross. If you’re gonna make a serial killer movie make it from the police’s point of view and make it FICTIONAL.
Yeah. I thought about that when Mike said something about famous serial killers. The last thing they deserve is fame.
Countless good people die and are forgotten, while the worst humanity has to offer get to enjoy a privilege once reserved for ancient Egyptian god-kings: Being remembered forever. Immortality.
He's dead
@@dannybowers4133 The would be serial killers are not, and they are seeing how much notoriety it brings.
@@dannybowers4133 Nope, he isn't. He lives rent free in a lot of minds. There's a few killers that do it simply for that. For the shock and fame, and the knowledge people will talk about them forever. A lot of it is about power, power over the victims, and power over the public. We can't get rid of them, no matter what.
"True crime is like the Fight Club for soccer moms" is a legendary tier quote
Extremely quotable.
I don't understand how anyone can find these true crime murder shows interesting. War documentaries about industrial-scale murder, now that's interesting.
Yeah except Fight Club is about guys urge to fight and true crime is about how murder gets women horny
@@capslockcapable1719 some people are interested in a more intimate killer
@@kimmmwest4641 I know your not, but for a second I thought you were implying people who like war documentaries were, like, murder sluts.
There's some irony that the show criticizes the bulldozing of the apartment building and the decision to put nothing (even no memorial) on the spot. Right now it's an empty lot and people *still* treat it like a weird pilgrimage site. Can you imagine how gross it would be if there was a victims memorial and it was mobbed with true crime fans?
There is no way in hell people wouldn't make it into a shrine for him.
Even if it was, like, a call center, people who worked there would not be left alone.
They should've built a butcher shop there
There is a weird point about halfway through where the creators almost went into damage control mode. They spent so long glamourising these murders they thought "oh shit, we should probably start saying how bad it is and remember these were people...err you people who are fascinated by him...shame on you! Now everyone, sit back and enjoy someone brutally bashing his face in with a pipe"
@@jebus89 tbf Jeffery Dahmer is one of the weirdest and most strange serial killer cases in American history.
There's so much weird shit surrounding him and the people around him. It's hard not to glamorize him with a drama because he's a very mysterious guy and that just comes off as kind of charismatic in a drama even if he was an absolute monster.
"Jeff, who lives at home" was personally my favorite version of the Dahmer story.
"Jeff, he who stars in terrible movies"
"True crime is the Fight Club for soccer moms."
I love when Jay gets it oh so right.
Jay is right almost all of the time. Mike is consistently a bit hopeless by comparison.
I just hope and pray he never gets on one of those missing persons lists
Scrolled down to say the same thing.
Most accurate quote of 2022
Forgive me for asking, can you explain how women self identify with true crime?
Got a Mom who can't enough of the genre
Not being malicious just curious.
One of the most terrifying people to come out of Milwaukee, after Mike himself of course
I mean, Mike took part on creating Slenderman.
As an Ohioan, I must ask you proper credit us for Dahmer
after videogamedunkey
Both of them are hacks but only ONE is a fraud.
@@plagueofangel8694 , and Mike is from the Chicago suburbs in Illinois rather than Milwaukee.
But aside from that, 100% accurate.
It’s disappointing to me that this show is getting all this attention while Mindhunter, an excellent Netflix series showing the process of STOPPING serial killers, gets cancelled.
It wasn't canceled, Fincher didn't want to do it anymore
it certainly did the subversive stuff Mike and Jay were suggesting might have been the intent for this show, like confronting the serial killer fandom aspect and showing it for all it's ugliness, but Mindhunter did it on purpose soo....
Mindhunter is wayyy wayyyyy better then this series
That doesn't sound sexy enough horrid murders pack that puch the slack Jawed public desires.
- Paul marketing
The first season of Mindhunter was really damn good. The second was still pretty good, but not as much. It could have been fixed, though. It could have become an amazing show.
Mike needs to be portray John Wayne Gacy in the inevitable 10-hour Netflix Drama next year
Will he be walking around with a gun pointed at his temple for the entirety of 10 hours?
Also, will there be a narrator with an extremely nasal voice who'd try to gaslight the audience?
Well, the show got renewed for two more seasons so you might seen a Wayne Gacy Drama from Netflix in the next few years.
No no, he's got a point. Mike would make the perfect Gacy!
I wished he would ve played Ed Kemper and just stood over people quizzing them about The Star Treks and rewarding them with Cheetos.
Oh mai gaaaaaaaaadddd! that’s exactly what I thought. If Jay is play Dahlmer in a better adaptation, who Rich is playing?
They're treating Dahmer and other serial killer stories like it's part of the Disney marvel extended universe
Exactly why I will not watch this shit , well said my friend
@@valley_robot Well, the show got renewed for two more seasons. Yikes.
"Dahmer, we'll have to travel back in time to recruit Jack The Ripper, *he's the only one that can defeat Thanos"*
Yeah. I find these people interesting ... looking how messed up our brains can be, what leads to that and what comes of it. But that's what books and serious documentaries are for ... preferably not just about these super popular cases.. There you get actual information packed as exactly that.
Not some glorifying entertainment bs. I think it's absolutely disgusting to make money with these stories and playing them out for the world to see and try to shock the audience, just so that some people can be entertained. Make some stuff up, of that's the goal.
@@LipziG3R Same. But even then, it's a tightrope to pull off. When it comes to Dahmer media, the only one I liked is My Friend Dahmer. It's from the perspective of Dahmer's friend and gives you an insight into Dahmer's life.
I'm glad to see Red Letter Media supporting local artists 😐
Thank you for the genuine LOL I got from this comment.
Lmao
lmao
And local businesses, too!
Ayy lmao
Fun fact: Did you the straw that finally broke Dahmer and prompted him to begin his serial killings was after he sent in his broken VCR to a local shop for repair but when he got it back in the mail it was still broken and filled with pizza rolls.
He was just trying to watch night court
That's bullshit. Dahmer began killing because he didn't get enough Mayo on one of his hamburgers.
What? I missed the lore established by RL
Its while he was working with Shoji Tabuchi in Branson Missouri!
@@UnDefinedLegacy ...it's a joke.
I feel like Mike and Jay are now on some kind of list for looking up dozens of news reports about kidnapped women
No, they did it from Rich’s desktop computer (where he reacts to videos)
@@aza3ful1 which is just upstairs of the sexual dungeon where Rich has all those kidnapped women
Dick the birthday boy indeed
@@aza3ful1 No, he already had them all archived.
They were on the list way back when they ordered 50 balloons of acetone.
It was gross. Playing music that’s just short of Benny hill lampooning what’s likely a bunch of dead white women while at the same time claiming this movie was disrespectful to victims was a bit glaring.
These two guys are idiots.
"What's the poster you hang up when a person goes missing?"
"The Missing Persons Poster!"
Mike is truly a different breed of human.
"Lost & Found!?"
A polar opposite of Einstein,
His brain is slowly deteriorating from a combination of alcoholism, bad movies, star trek picard, and becoming elderly. We're seeing it in near real time.
"Not a Wanted poster" had me deceased
That's the reason he -loves- loved Star Treck. He just wants to go to his home planet.
Mike saying “what the fuck is a thirst post” brings me joy
Having a gay bar with a dark history right across the street must have been really convenient for Jay.
So that's where this notorious "Man Hole" is
Come on don't do Jay like that
Now I wanna see a drama about an owner of such bar, who deals with loss of his clients after a serial killer appears in the area
Shhhh, they dont know his real name, he goes by Susan there
Not if it wasn't Club 219, where ol' Dahmer cruised for targets.
One of the most disturbing things in the show that I learned was that there seem to be apartments that are connected by vents.
that's how that usually works.....smh
Remember, the "neighbor" in this show actually lived in a different building...so...
@@noneatall9060yeah the neighbour didn’t live next door at all lol
A Jeffrey Dahmer shaped cloud over the city is such a good way to describe it. His crimes were so horrific there’s a pre and post dahmer mke
I think about this whenever I used to go to the Eagles Ballroom and see the Ambassador
@@regulustheron2565 "been living here for a year" come on man surely you can connect the dots
@@regulustheron2565 I think what they mean is that it's different between living and growing up there. If you grew up in Milwaukee around the time of the murders the locations become inseparable from the events. It becomes common knowledge to the point you don't Need to discuss it with your neighbors. But to the outsiders coming in they don't see that.
It's the difference between someone in your neighborhood getting murdered and someone in your city. One is omnipresent while the other is distant
Its kinda like that with San Francisco with Zodiac and London with the Ripper. Its this ever lasting fog that never seems to pass and it just draws in the weirdest people and nobody cares that people died.
This was just nonsense, this was pre 9/11 knowledge, without a tv show the memory would remain long faded. No one cares about Milwaukee beyond the fact that they decided to import disaster.
"A missing persons report! It means like a person's missing." -Mike Stoklasa, Founder of RedLetterMedia 2022
I love when he said "lost and found poster"
I wonder if it's due to the alcoholism, or if it's due to Mike having constantly been in the presence of Rich Evans for so long that he's absorbed, via osmosis, Rich's penchant for mush-mouth-speak and malapropisms.
Hey, why can't it be both things?
Kids, this is why you don't start drinking before age 10.
I mean... He's not wrong.
I fully expect Mike to describe some horrific murder in the series and for Jay to just laugh without prompting
"Mike to describe some horrific murder"
From an episode of Star Trek?
@Olathian Whiskey You literally have this backwards...Mike would murder the Jay and describe the laugh. Jay is the one thing for laughing at perverse knowns, or do people know what you even these?
@@Fanuc_Operator1990 Only if it was the murder of an elderly person.
Most horrific on screen murder is Dahmer himself
@@mayflower2370 this would only be true if the horrific murder victim was an elderly person.. do you even know these people??
16:40 - Brock Turner actually lives in a suburb of my hometown Dayton, Ohio. He is absolutely vilified publically and any time he's spotted at a local bar or downtown there's a mob of people who will kick him out and post warnings of his sightings on Facebook. His sentence was absolutely too lenient, but the local public has not allowed him a moment of peace. Dayton also suffered a mass shooting several years ago and has banded together to eradicate this kind of thing from the community as far as the law will allow. Just a little update for anyone interested.
I was just about to look up what happened to him. Glad he hasnt been able to get away with it (though ofc he should be rotting in a cell)
Based Ohio.
Dayton, Ohio has suburbs? Lol
Saul Goodman defending Dahmer, "Your Honor, if you are what you eat, my client is an innocent young man!"
this joke is so cruel and hilliarious at the same time that I'm gonna steal it some day
"Fine Mr Goodman, but he still committed murder, so even if we dismiss the cannibalism charges, he abducted, drugged and murdered young men, my decision is he is guilty and will be executed."
😭
I feel guilty laughing. Good one man
😂😂😂
Mike: "Making money off People's misery is an industry."
Also Mike:
NEXT TIME ON BEST OF THE WORST
Any existing fandom after disney purchases an ip
Legit 🤣
When has Mike forcing his friends to do black spine ever caused misery...
"Making money off People's misery is an industry."
"HEY RICH, GET IN HERE!"
Now we know why Mike has been a friend of Rich for so long…
"That seems very dramatized". That's because quite a bit of it didn't happen. That's the thing that bothered me the most about the doc, the misinformation that people are taking as fact. Glenda wasn't Jeffrey's neighbor. She wasn't calling the police over several victims, she called about that poor child who was murdered. He didn't interact with her. There's no proof that Jeffrey and Anthony had a relationship. Apparently he had a friend named Jeff and Jeffrey claimed they met for the first time that night. They romanticized a murderer and his victim.
I feel bad for the victims and their families having to relive this.
the part where he goes to glenda‘s apartment to give her a meat sandwich was so gross to me, it was like they were painting him out to be hannibal lector
@@xxplasticxx4893 apparently that story is true but the sandwich wasn't given to Glenda but a different neighbor who said they believed after the fact that it was human meat. Who knows though, one of the criminal psychologists who worked on Jeffrey in one documentary on UA-cam claimed in the last month leading up to his arrest the only meat Jeffrey was consuming was the free meat of his victims. It was the only type of meat packaged up and cooked in his apartment, there was multiple pans and pots with cooked human meat on his stove during his arrest. So apparently the cannibalism was in fact pretty hardcore towards the end.
That's the problem with these dramatizations like When They Ses Us, or Dahmer, people start remembering fake historical events. The Cnetral Park Five were never exonerated and Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.
@@capitanclassic8624 🎶One of these things is not like the others🎶
@@petewerehere yeah, SNL isnt really a dramatization, it's a sketch comedy.
As an Aussie who has had limited-to-no interaction with Milwaukee, RLM will always be my immediate association with the city. Not Dahmer.
It felt so random an unnecessary to have the recreations of the crimes of Ed Gein and John Wayne Gacy. Like they really saw it as an MCU movie where your other favorite characters make a cameo
Exactly what I thought. Seems like they were setting up a gacy show at the end
@@T_R_O_Y_McClure it’s cause he was baptized the same day gacy got executed
@@RealTalkAlexV I get that. But did we really needed to see him doing vile things, in full Pogo costume? To me it seemed exploitative, looking to shock with another messed up serial killer, getting the same response as a celebrity cameo, but for the true crime community
@@RealTalkAlexV With that said, it was amusing to see Psycho Pete from Always Sunny in Philadelphia playing John Wayne Gacy
@@T_R_O_Y_McClure I wouldn’t put anything past Ryan Murphy! I bet we’ll be dished out another mini series, this time with John Wayne Gacy in no time.
When Jay said "...Just a few years ago - in 2017..." I whispered to myself half a decade and turned to dust
That was, like, before the whole covid thing and stuff.
Remember how everyone thought 2016 was such a bad year because a few extra celebrities died? Holy f*ck, we had no idea how good we had it. Now most adults hate most celebrities lol
Dude
I'm not dust
I love Jay explaining the concept of a thirst post to Mike.
It's a strange moment of wholesomeness where the subject matter is a potent mix of cynical and scummy.
“Well grandpa . . . “
@@PyckledNyk mike is 67, jay is 32
The best part was when they were trying to tell him to plead insanity. "No, I knew what I was doing."
I like how Jay is a man of his word. The title of this review is hilarious.
I just noticed that. 😂
They’re genius
Who type editing this sheet hmmmmm
People just forget that one of the 3 people he killed at his grandmothers home was ALSO a 14 year old boy. There was no dramatic escape to turn into a tense TV scene so people completely forgot about that kid.
Doxtater was killed in Dahmer's apartment shortly after the police left. He admitted to it in his police interrogation.
Did you watch the show? There was a pretty big dramatic scene of it
@@Marcelo_DBZ_Music Exactly
@@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376 .....no, if you look at his list of victims, there were 2 14 yr Olds that he killed. They only highlighted the one that nearly escaped.
@@Marcelo_DBZ_Music wrong 14 yr old
I lived in an inner city area for almost 12 years. Going to the grocery store was always depressing because the community bulletin board was always filled with missing persons posters. Almost all of them were young kids. I realized that if this one grocery store on the outskirts of my relatively small Rust Belt city had this much of a problem, how bad was it across the country? Sure, a good chunk of them just ran away, but a lot are probably . . . It's tough to think about.
Hi John Kenny.
I live in Baltimore. There are a lot of sleepy people here.
I live in the human trafficking capital of the US and let me tell you. We don't get nearly ENOUGH missing persons posters or bulletins. Like the state puts it all out of sight out of mind. Reminds me of the citizens of Derry in IT.
On average 60,000 people go missing every year in the U.S. never to be seen again. Where are all these people going?, Would be my first question and my second would be, Why are not more people questioning where they are?
I moved to Atlanta in 90 and had no idea that 28 kids where murdered from 1979-81. I know now that there were countless more that occurred before (wrote off as runaways since they were never found) and after (wrote off as runaways or not counted because they convicted a man of 2 murders (just 2) but blamed him for the rest).
I got a shop in Pittsburgh... in late December 2020, this group of people came in asking if they could put up missing posters in my store front windows. They were the friends and sisters of a girl that was last seen at the tea shop directly across the street from my shop 2 days before. It was brutal watching them. They were frazzled. Obviously been awake with stress the days leading up to them coming in. I felt so f*cking bad. The girl was in her early 20s. A few days after they came by someone found the girls bookbag and shoes on the Homestead Bridge, but she was never found.
.... the saddest part, aside from her being gone, are the worn and sunbleached posters still on the streetlight poles around town. Even being laminated, theyre faded to being almost unrecognizable. Sad stuff.
The main thing that made me honestly angry is that the writing of Tracy Edwards situation with Dahmer is a complete left turn from what actually happened. He wasn’t gay, he didn’t come on to Jeffrey, they didn’t meet at a gay bar, none of it was accurate. The Only things that were was that he was watching the exorcist and that he put his head on Tracy’s heart and told him he wanted to eat it. That’s it. I think it’s very damning to change an actually person’s whole character in a media circuit for views. I didn’t watch after that.
100%!
I heard a lot about the show before deciding to watch it. My friends at work were recommending it like crazy. I had a lot of reservations, but I decided to take a look.
I only got about half way through before I had to stop watching it because I started to fact check every episode as I went. It's ASTOUNDING how much stuff is completely wrong or made up. And this only strengthened the negative feelings I had about it from the start.
They said they made it in respect of the families- false. They said Dahmer wouldn't be the central character- false. They said it was supposed to highlight the problems people of colour (and specifically gay men of colour) faced during that time- which they maybe did somewhat, but it feels a lot more like exploitation than awareness. They also wrote his mom's struggle with mental illness into being the comedic relief.
I told myself that if it was AT LEAST a factual retelling of events then there was some merit to it and worth watching. But it failed even on that level, so, like Mike, it left me wondering 'what am I even getting out of this?'.
This whole thing is just a cash grab with no thought put into how it actually affects real people.
I rarely think there is anything that shouldn't have been made, but this show? It shouldn't have been made.
In what world does a straight man allow another man to lay his head on his chest and listen to his heartbeat?
I mean Tracy Edward is a pedophile, so I could not give a crap about disrespectful portrayal of him. But for the other victims it is disrespectful, inaccurate at time and some of the side character story is fabricated in some part to push a political narrative which feel scummy. Black and Gay people being discriminated by the police is already a powerful and factual narrative, but pushing for BLM comparison by creating fictitious side story is just irksome.
@@mjwbulichHe was handcuffed and held at knife point. I don't know if you know this, but Dahmer was known to be like a real jerk to alot of people.
@@mjwbulichyou are terrified of being perceived as homosexual even with anonymity on the internet. Hilarious
i'm still anticipating the long awaited 10 part netflix series "Evans: story of a monster"
every episode is evan peters playing a different serial killer
Episode one - A man walks through a packed fairground holding a balloon. Everyone looks happy except for him. He looks up at the rides, almost enviable of the riders' collective joy. JUMP CUT TO: Man from fairground is stood with a friend, who is on the phone.
Man: Yeah, well me and my friend Rich Evans aren't coming back to be in your stupid movie!
The Plinkett Files: Americas Most Notorious Serial Killer
Mike was sitting so tensely and impatiently waiting to talk about the shampoo commercial. You can tell because he loosened up afterward.
This is the kind of comment they don't come to the comments for
What did Jeffery Dahmer keep in his shower? Head and Shoulders.
EDIT: I didn't realize the hosts made this joke in this episode.
@@johnpederson8748 Your version of the joke is way better.
I appreciated them slipping Jeff, Who Lives At Home into the roll call of Dahmer dramatisations.
I thought for a second that movie was related to Dahmer even though I've seen it.
I just thought it killed a piece of Jay’s soul when he watched that and that’s why it was on there.
Double entendre unlocked
They were talking about how the actor wasn't creepy as dahmer but listening to people in the gay community and circles Dahmer ran in they all emphasized how respected and well liked Dahmer was, they thought he was an absolute darling and didn't find him creepy at all, he was a big hit at the club and bar scene.
They are mentally unstable after all
I haven't seen the show but I'm kind of glad that true crime stuff is getting backlash. In the last several years it's gotten increasingly exploitative and sensationalist, and it's a little too much in the mainstream. I understand that a lot of these crimes are very interesting and the information should be available to people, but it's gotten out of hand. You can go to any UA-cam channel or podcast the deals with "spooky" things like ghosts, cryptids, etc, and every other video will just be about real world violent crimes and they're treating them like they are the same level of seriousness as a UFO story.
Netflix released Dahmer in the weeks leading up to Halloween. I don't think that's the coincidence. It's pretty messed up to try to turn real life tragedies into the basis for holiday movies.
Glad to see these kind of comments. I saw this being pushed and was disgusted. They need to stop "honoring" these horrific people with cinema.
They obviously did it because true crime stuff is massively popular (with so many American women I know, in particular). I hope that consumers actually stop supporting this stuff. I think it really may create future monsters who have nothing left to lose and think that maybe they can leave an infamous enough story that some boardroom psychos will glorify the story with dollar signs in their eyes.
Oh no, I love informative murder porn!
So hard to make people see this. These are real people who really suffered
The show actually did a pretty good job of not glorifying him tho. My awful opinion is that true crime moms are the same as WW2 documentary dad's, yea their obsession with these tragedies is weird but theyre not hurting anyone by consuming that type of content. I think what you're asking for is impossible, people will never stop being fascinated by tragedies so true crime will forever be one of the most popular genres of content. Not saying that's a good thing but I think humans are naturally too curious to stop talking about and consuming this type of stuff
This sort of thing was may more present in the 90s. Subcultures been revelling in serial killer smut since the 80s (Industrial, death metal, grind core...), then in the 90s it pushed mainstream.
If the filmmakers wanted true controversy, they should've had Dahmer be played by Rich Evans.
Dick the birthday Dahmer
Well he'd be kinda perfect for whatever show they make about BTK...
"Let's just cuddle, it will avoid the AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSS"
The actor playing Dahmer was already too sexy and you want to make him even sexier?!
Dahmer The Murder Boy
Mike forgetting the word missing is so funny
“Lost and found?”
I think the scariest thing here is hearing redlettermedia put a bleep over a swear
THIS. was only a matter of time before they sell out. sponsors coming next
@@Motawa88how dare they make sure their videos get monetized! Anyways, I think bleeps can make swearing funnier than hearing the word tbh.
The most shocking and horrifying part of this review is that Mike likes American Horror Stories
Oh my god I know. I'm quite disappointed. At least Jay has some taste.
.... AHS took A LOT of patience for me to get through... not really an upstanding statement when describing a series. Dahmer ran out of gas about 2/3 through the series, i thought, if anyone is watching this, its usually horror fans who say they respect the victims, and not sensationalism of the killer..... really? ....really? 🙄
He's a paraphiliac
Imagine being so miserable you scoff at the idea of guilty pleasures.
@@zacharyhaynes8969 I'm imagining.... Now what?
At one point in time Netflix had me laughing as I was browsing because Children of the Corn was under "Children's Movies". I mean technically it does have children in it.
This is why everyone needs to watch and study “How to survive edged weapons” especially dos Midwestern deer.
when they started talking about the Milwaukee accent I immediately remembered a woman from that video shouting at a cop asking her to hand over her knives(?) or something saying "I'm soh sec of yer shit!"
Dos... a deer... a Midwestrn deer...
Considering that it’s apparently typical for people in Milwaukee to have Satanic altars in their apartments, you have to be prepared for anything.
The true crime obsession is something I never really looked into until I started dating a girl who was obsessed with that stuff. Don’t get me wrong, like most people I grew up being fascinated with the otherworldly acts of these serial killers and their motives but it was just fleeting interest for me personally. These true crime stories pretty much write themselves therefore the content is easy to produce and easy to consume. The mystery is there, the villain is there, the motives are there, the relatability is there, etc. There’s always that hint of voyeurism that muddies the waters a bit though. All in all, these kinds of movies/shows have their place.
The mystery is there because the motive for the murders is rarely explored. As a society we focus on the symptoms rather than the problems because it is easier to be seen to be doing something.
@@MajorT0m To be fair it's hard to understand the motives of a serial killer and to a large degree I do think there's just something wrong with their brains. I agree with you when it comes to spree shooters and whatnot, though.
as little girls we're taught to be vigilant and scared of these men, so I think that's a part of it.
@@appalachiabrauchfrau Exactly. And, the only way to protect ourselves is to try to recognize/identify these men before we become their victims.
I think telling the story in a more traditional linear way would have been a mistake. But not because it would have bored the audience; If you structured the story in a way where you watch Dahmer grow up and become a serial killer, I think you run the risk of appearing to want to humanize a monster. Especially since episode 1 (and maybe even 2) would have been about his dysfunctional family and childhood, and the end of the show would have been about him in prison seeking forgiveness. Starting the show on his final "kill" was a good way of solidifying that no matter what happens after episode 1, the audience is fully aware of how evil this person was.
It should have been told COMPLETELY backwards, start in the 2020s addressing how people saw the Dahmer killings today then crash to the reality of the trial which is where the public first know about Dahmer and the reaction to a cannibalistic serial killer. Their lurid reaction to this which by extraordinary coincidence came to public knowledge at the same time as Silence of The Lambs swept the Oscars and was a story all about a cold calculating cannibalistic serial killer.
And I think it really should have been challenged the idea that Dahmer is really as he presents himself in court and prison interviews as if he's some detached semi-catatonic pathetic person. The idea that this is an act really should be challenged, I mean, there was no way he could evade responsibility he was caught red handed. The only way he could possibly save himself was to act like a malfunctioning android.
But was he?
Sure he wasn't a gleeful gloating slasher killer but does that mean he wasn't just another sadist?
He killed people in ways that were slow, painful and also extremely varied, I think there's a lot to challenge the idea that he wasn't just another sensation-driven predator.
I really don't think there's much point going to his childhood, while something in his childhood MAY have caused him to end up like this there's no way you can know what. I want a film that deconstructs the myth of Dahmer, and gets down to the man, who is - I believe - just another killer. It is my belief any cold blooded killer is a serial killer if they can keep getting away with it, if they can kill once then they can kill again.
What makes people like Dahmer, or Lizzie Borden, or whoever, interesting media fodder isn't "they did X", but "what causes a person to become capable of x"?
@@Hugsloth Sure, but when making a dramatization of a serial killer its probably best you don't lose focus of the fact that they are indeed a serial killer. Especially when not every viewer of your show is going to be familiar with the story.
or... it should not have been told. we don't need netflix drama miniseries about fucking serial killers
@Andrew Or you can just not watch. Just because Andrew doesn’t want something to be made, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. Watch something else.
Always good to see the guys check out some of rich’s family’s stories
I didn't know they turned Rich's origin story into a movie! /s
Jay: "True Crime is popular with soccer mums because their lives are so boring!"
Also Jay: "Every year there comes another Dahmer movie out. But I watch it anyway."
🤣
It's common knowledge that soccer mom Susan Bauman moonlights as movie critic Jay to spice up her boring life
He’s always contradicting himself lol poor fellow wants to constantly sound intelligent.
@The Rue Morgue No he's not LOLOLOL
Correct… Jay dumps on soccer moms for rubbernecking Dahmer but literally has watched and has an easy familiarity with EVERY DAHMER FILM EVER MADE. Dude is a fucking hypocrite who needs to turn the microscope on himself. He loves and laps up exploitation unapologetically; can’t get enough.
"I'm weirdly obsessed with stories like Jeffery Dahmer, so I thought I could do a movie about him and shine a spotlight on his victims... but also make a shit tonne of cash doing it" is probably as altruistic of a motivation one can have in Hollywood or any Hollywood adjacent industry.
or even more exploitative than we could imagine.
"I know their not thirsting after Dahmer", oh Jay sweet summer child
Hybristophilia is a hell of a drug
Yeah... Let's not kill his innocence.
This is one of those times where its a pretty uncomfortable subject and I appreciate the wit and wisdom more from these goons.
They're so good
I think murder stories like this are meant to be told in a documentary format rather than acted
yes these "recreation" documentaries distort peoples understand of what really happened. All in the service of making the story sizzle more.
Exactly.
Or just do it like Fincher did with Mindhunter.
But the true crime genre does that, and it’s just as awful and salacious and constructed. I prefer dramatisation - you can discuss larger themes (can a monster ever be forgiven or ‘saved’?). A doco can only deliver the facts, not the question we’re all asking by watching: why?! How?!
@Dangerope she was an amalgamation of real life people. She represented the trauma of being a neighbour of a serial killer and a “Cassandra” in not being believed.
I don’t think the goal was to make Dahmer sympathetic by casting Evan Peters but rather to humanize him, which ultimately is the most terrifying thing. He wasn’t some creature under your bed, or some unstoppable force, he was just a guy. A guy who had a twisted mind, and it’s scary to think there’s more of them out there or even worse, that you could be capable of such things.
our OverLords have killed more
I really don't think I'd be capable of cutting out a human heart and eating it. I really have a hard time consuming organ meat as it is. Now human skin however, fry it a bit until it's crispy and nice, maybe add some seasoning, myeah.
So anyway, what are you up to this weekend?
@@danielhaden6674 with enough butter, herbs and garlic you can even make snails tolerable to eat. I'm sure human is far easier than that to make palatable
@@Lilybun there’s an interview with a guy from Japan I believe? Either way, he travelled somewhere to eat someone and didn’t get arrested for it, and in the interview he described that the most similar meat to human is veal.
@@mesadrums375 i saw some guys eat a human placenta on finnish television, don't remember what they described it as being like other than disgusting
Every time something is "based" on a true story, I go with the idea that the only part they get right is people needed oxygen to breathe.
In the Cocaine Bear episode of Half in the Bag Mike suggested a rating system for how accurate "based on a true story" is.
based
Not on a true story, just based.
I don’t understand why the creators didn’t stick to the facts. (Like the man who escaped was actually not gay.)
Because the truth, itself, is extremely disturbing. Plus, people will watch the show and think all that it portrays is what actually happened.
How do you not recreate how he was arrested, it’s better than any fiction they created. In this it’s because the cops find some pictures… in real life it’s because they checked the fridge as they were leaving and saw a human head. Who changes that aspect of the story??
@dude3000 Well hell, you’re right! I always thought they only arrested him because right before leaving they discovered the severed head. Huh. Thanks.
This has been my biggest gripe being in the horror community for so long, too many edgy tryhards who forget themselves when fact and fiction collide. I see horror merch stores selling shirts with serial killers on them and more or less putting them on a pedestal, while the victims families still live and mourn. You can flirt with the dark side of life without respecting it. I felt like it was only a matter of time before zoomers came along and started doing the same shit.
This.
I love horror in general and went down a rabbit hole of serial killer docs and info about ten years ago. That shit still haunts me to this day. The fact that people are so into it like it's pro wrestling or something is alarming. I don't even want to watch this review and I love RLM's videos. I think a lot of people lack empathy/imagination and don't understand that under slightly different circumstances, they could be killers themselves. I try to stick with ghosts and goblin type horror stuff these days and avoid serial killer films whenever possible.
I went to fearfest in Raleigh, NC in May, I saw these things including a cutting board with a picture of Dahmer and it says something like I'm glad that you are here for dinner. It didn't offend me but I still thought it was trashy and had no interest in buying something that glorfied a real life killer.
Same, I like horror and horror themed stuff, but too many people in general are insensitive inconsiderate assholes who seem to unironically believe some of these things are cool.
I have a similar gripe with people who are into witchcraft relates things who seem to think it's ok to steal body parts from cemeteries and murder animals for "rituals".
Yeap. Always say the exact same thing. I love the horror community and will collect Michael Myers and freddy kruger merch till no end.
But when people in this community start collecting Manson dolls or Gacy paintings or toys. I absolutely check out with that. Those were real life pieces of shit that don’t deserve any more attention in any way. Hate how a ton of people in the horror community mix up idolizing these low lifes with just part of horror.
This video was a better analysis of Dahmer than any show imo, and with nigh zero disrespect to victims to boot
It was actually called Dahm and Dahmer originally.
I'm glad I checked to see if someone else made this joke first. Nothing tackier than making the same joke as someone else, except for making THIS joke.
@@bulkeh weak people check comments. Go alpha and be your inner dad.
@@prowokator what if my inner dad is weak, man
@@bulkeh impossible, or at least very unlikely. Embrace it, it will feel natural, unlimited power on your fingertips!
@@prowokator i feel the strength! I know how to build a deck now
I always enjoy Mike and Jay being able to see through the media smokescreen of what is being said about a show/movie and seeing a piece for what it is and judging it on that with relevant cultural contexts to how something like this gets produced and created.
@@DSPHistoricalSociety your other comment shows you are literally the incapable of seeing through smoke screen crowd the op was written after
People who are glorifying Dahmer and buying Dahmer-related merch need a reality check.
The Midwest is kind of weird when it comes to serial killer glorification. Obviously, these are horrible creatures that should never be celebrated by any stretch of the imagination, but you'll be surprised how often people like John Wayne Gacy (who had a documentary series last year on HBO Max), the Angel of Death, Carl Watts, or Herb Baumeister (another guy who targeted gay people though not for cannibalistic purposes) get brought up.
Wait, there's Dahmer merch?
@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 This makes me glad I live on a coast.
@@athejbaka7084 why was he based
@@SH-mt2xo ignore the weirdo
We should definitely take a minute to notice how surprising it is to see Niecy Nash in such a serious role and doing so well in it. I'd only known her from "Reno 911!" and some other comedy roles, and it took me at least a full episode or two of this to realize that she was playing Glenda Cleveland.
If they'd put Lt. Dangle on the case, they would've got Dahmer much quicker.
I felt she was overacting and Hamming it tf up. She got cringey at times for me.
the way they just threw a 0.1 second reference to jeff he who lives at home 10 years later and i instantly got it really made me think about my life choices
I noticed that, but what was the joke? Do you care to elaborate? I'm pretty good on my RLM lore, but that one went over my head.
They hated the movie when they watched it on BOTW
@@DPMusicStudio they talked about in a really old half in the bag
Just wait; 20 years from now we're going to get a god damn dramatized Chris-Chan series like this. Only we're not going to get a big movement from the victim's family, because the monster in that story IS the victim's family!
And Netflix will probably categorize that as LGBTQ and get even more backlash for that being the worst representation fucking imaginable
Thankfully we're going to nuke ourselves before that, and really seems like the better outcome.
He'll be played by one of the kids from Stranger Things.
Screencap this.
@@GigaDonk99 Accurate, though.
Not everyone can be Freddie Mercury
I feel like My Friend Dahmer pretty much said all you need to know on the subject. It's a good film, if you haven't seen it. As the title suggests, it was written by someone who was friends with Dahmer as a teenager and kind of subtlety explains how he became who he became.
the comic in which is based is also really good.
I love Mike casually admitting he likes AHS and Jay immediately shooting him down, it's like a 6 year old trying to convince his friend that Barney is still cool
Im just here to give you (OP) props for the 'Drums and Wires' XTC profile pic you have there ^_^
The head and shoulders joke was Ryan Murphy’s one contribution to the show
That and gayness.
I did not see My Friend Dahmer, but the comic it’s based on is very good. It was made by a classmate of his and it only looks at his life before the murders started. I think this is the proper way to explore someone like this, as it looks at the conditions that lead someone to this kind of behavior. There is no exploitation in that one.
My Friend Dahmer was really good. This series was mostly just made up 2022 lies to fit an agenda instead of just telling the story. They had to "send a message." Talk about exploiting victims.
I was interested in looking at that. This was years ago, before the Netflix series, probably around the time that My Friend Dahmer was released. Never had an inclination to know what Dahmer did as if you grew up in the 90s, you'd have an idea by now. But I think I will check this out.
@@userface4414 you definitely should. The author, Derf Beckderf was already a successful cartoonist when he made it, so its form and content are both handled with care.
@@footwinner1 Have you read Trashed by Derf??? Another incredible piece of work
@@userface4414 If you're interested I recommend Cartoonist Kayfabe's examination of the book on their channel.
An entire episode of his neighbor hearing all the terrible sounds and smells coming from his apartment, how it affected her even at her place of employment, how she freaked out on the police when they finally arrested him... Yet in reality she never even lived in his apartment building.
Wait what?
The character was 2 characters. The one that was calling the cops throwing a fit was over exaggerated she called the cops the one night made a check u guys call when she seen the same kid missing in the paper she was never even in the same building as jeffery. His neighbor was fairly quiet
They mixed the woman who made that phone call and tried to help the kid with his neighbor
Hollywood will never allow facts to get in the way of an agenda.
The journalist who first went into the house with the police also said that it just smelt of chemicals not bodies.
I think we are so accustomed to judging a work of art by the intent and motivations of the artist, we can forget that the audience has motivations as well. And maybe the two are linked more than we care to admit. Artists don't create in a vacuum, as if no one is going to see or hear their work. We can learn just as much about the people choosing to watch this show as about the people who made it.
I honestly really liked this review. One of the more opinionated RLM reviews and legitimately insightful conversation into the nature of media and whether or not art has any obligations when it comes to depicting its subjects. Still delightfully sardonic too, definitely a new favorite.
I agree. RLM has many great episodes and this is one of my favorites because its a frank conversation about a complex issue and they both raise decent points, and they still fit in irreverent humor we all love.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez Absolutely! Really showcases why they're still some of the best media reviewers on UA-cam
When Jay mentioned the missing white girl effect and showed the picture of Gabby Petito, I unironically thought that was so fuckin based
@@nonchalantgravy I unironically honestly no joke clapped for that montage. That put this problem of preferable media victims in your face, it was so well done.
As I was watching this is what I was thinking. I laughed a few times but this seemed different. Then I was like Mike is going to say something and bring it back full circle, he can't help himself. For 45 min I watched and listened and learned few things and was left laughing. God love ya mike
I always thought early Mr. Plinkett was basically Dahmer.
Bones in the basement
Doesn't want his victims to leave
Likes Star Wars
Funny glasses
Downs the Totino's pizza rolls like a fiend
As a NYC Ghostbuster, I take ppl on a walking tour and feel slightly guilty everytime I say: : "And this is where a giant marshmallow rampaged through Columbus Circle"
Wut
How dare you monetize a national tragedy!?
@OB Marte Do you have a website for your tour schedule??
You monster
Too soon
When Dahmer first got arrested, I remember one of my dad's friends saying "Jeffrey Dahmer's bologna really did have a first name." I didnt really understand it at the time, but now, that is dark.
I said aloud "What the fuck is a thirst post?" at the same time Mike did, then laughed uncontrollably.
When I first heard about someone being "thirsty," I thought it was alluding to their alcoholism. Turns out, it was alluding to horniness.
Now that I think about it, if it DID refer to alcoholism, Mike would have already known what Jay was talking about. You know, because of Mike's first-hand knowledge and experience on the subject.
It's supposed to be a "thirst trap" post, but Jay's trying to keep it a secret from Mike and us that he does that on Insta and for his OF.
I'm glad you guys did this because I really didn't want to watch the show so I'm giving you guys the view and watch time instead of Netflix.
Exactly how I feel. I'm not a prude, but I feel like this show is filth.
Also, Dahmer seems pretty disgusting too.
You are basically saving out 9 hours which is smart
It's sweet how after all these years Mike can still make Jay crack up.
Gives me hope for my relationship
It's a perfect duo
Signs of a good marriage.
@@misterdedlift4879 I was about to make this exact reply.
Jay is a generous laugher and it's the best.
I think my favorite Mike and Jay moments is when Mike says something off color and Jay is desperately trying not to laugh
I live in the town where Ed Kemper committed his murders, and I dread the day they make a series about him.
Would you like an egg salad sandwich?
Maybe I'm dumb but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
Honestly his stories kind of sad because he never would’ve done the things he did if his mother wasn’t a horrible person.
Have you seen Mindhunter?
Mindhunter made him famous
Speaking for myself, and likely most regular people drawn to serial killer and other true crime... I've been fascinated since I read about a girl kidnapped/kept underground in a box, (in Reader's Digest, as a kid in the early 70's). The fascination is def not the gore or the dark side. It's basically the psychology behind what creates a human like this, and mostly the satisfaction when they are identified, caught, and ultimately convicted and put away for good. I can't stand to watch unsolved cases. It's a reminder that the bad guy got away with it.
I want to understand the psychology, and also the investigation that finally catches these monsters. But it is very frustrating how incompetent the cops are for a long time before they finally luck out.
Are you the alien girl from Mars Attacks!?
@@WT_Neptune yes. Ssshhh.
As a foreigner, I found out that whole reaction and debate about the morality of the Dahmer show, very interesting. Here in Brazil, our biggest serial killer who claimed to have killed 100 people (most of them in jail), got out because you can only do max. 30 years in jail here, and now has an UA-cam channel were he calls himself "ex-killer" and tries to break down criminal motives, so we kinda gave up on the idea
Did you just fuckin say that in Brazil serial killers are released back into the world after 30 years... that's absolutely terrifying
Max 30 years. Yeah, sounds like a great policy.
Reminds me of General Butt Naked running around without consequence today.
Oh man, wait until gringos learn about Guilherme de Padua
@@MrMadalien Well hey, if he's doing youtube now instead of killing people, maybe it was enough.
I've read that wanting complete control over their sexual partner, or more appropriately their victim, is very common for necrophiles.
I mean that's what Bundy did, too. Just in a different way. It's absolutely a strong common thread for a number of serial killers. Also the need to possess and be close to their victims, only as corpses and not living, autonomous people.
The missing woman compilation with goofy music is certainly... somethin
Knowing Jay, he probably only picked victims that were later found to have survived.
I think true crime shows are also a way for people to face their worst fears about life from the comfort of their couch. I think some people are very much afraid of being killed by a serial killer and true crime shows allow them to deal with that fear in some indirect way while eating chips.
Personally…as one of the many “soccer/wine moms”.. I don’t watch true crime shows for the fear factor. I’m more interested in: how could someone do that, why they did it that way, if the victim got away, and more of the facts of an event. I also like the ending of most of these stories that tell you that the killer got killed in jail or has finally got caught…
If I wanted fear, I would go walking alone down the street.
That's exactly what Wes Craven said about horror movies. Its in our subconscious and everyone is capable of acting on sub primal things from our reptile brain. Good thoughts.
This series is gonna awaken Dahmer thirst-posting in an entire generation of people that didn't need it.
I mean that's kind of the problem with casting Evan Peters
it has, they're already posting Dahmer fancams to tiktok, some of which are "romantic" videos shipping him and one of his victims
@@headfangs the kids aren't alright.
Can't wait for the Twitter Bundy fans to get into thirst wars..... (please no)
@Justawhiteguy1960 Sadly true. Worst trending topic on Twitter I've ever seen was in 2019. Ted Bundy fans fighting with Charles Manson fans. Ugh ugh ugh
The way Dahmer would get indignant when people would interrogate him reminded me of Napoleon Dynamite.
I dont really remember that happening. They gave him all the cigarettes and coffee he wanted and he told them anything they wanted to know.
@@johnv6806 oh yeah, not the authorities, meant his Dad and Grandma.
9:37 'People's misery is an industry'
So true! There was a series of murders and sting operations in my area taking down a group of pedophiles (the stings) and a drug gang (the murders) and a documentary team came to my high school to get interviews from the kids who lived in that area (including myself). It felt so wrong.
this is a really well put-together conversation that is sensitive and earnest about the discussion around sensationalism. Thank you guys for making it.
" 'Monster in My Colon' would have been a much more awkward title" kills me every time
Love the way Mike looks when Jay says Kurt got killed by a shotgun 😂
I think you got your Mikes and Jays confused
The actor playing Dahmer clearly studied Joe Pera's speech patterns for this role.
I thought it was Joe Pera for the first 5 minutes!! 🤣
Evan peters performance is annoying because he’s a good actor and gives it his all but he’s way too hot to be dahmer for me and his face or the hair just doesn’t fit to begin with.
We need a movie where Dahmer has wacky adventures with his wise-cracking Mini-Me version, obviously called "Dahm and Dahmer"
And then Dahm and dahmer 2: Dahminion
theres no way this could wrong, ever
The South Park episode with gacy dahmer and bundy where they parody 3 stooges as 3 killers could make for a good full length comedy movie
When they were showing all the Dahmer movies that were out there, and then they drop “Jeff who lives at home” on top of the stack😂…Couldn’t stop laughing 😂. Blink and you miss it at 5:38.
True crime has been a massive hit ever since late 18th century, people always say “why true crime now?” And the only answer is that it’s not just now but people have always had a morbid curiosity.