:Throttle throw is to much (subjective)but those wanting a solution You can put one of the rubbers behind the throttle spring removing the unwanted extra travel (subjective) and at the same time with a little bit of pre load it also gets a bit stiffer for anyone wanting to achive this. If you have the hydraulic mod and dont use all the gold metal spacers you can also use one of those but it does add a little to much of a Metallic feel for my liking but you could add a thin rubber washer.
@@Tommy_G29 I used a grey one my friend but try then out and see what suits your needs if you need any other advice in the pedals please ask I’ve sorted most issues I had.
My favorite part is the throw. But if you use 4 blues and 4 reds it's not much at all. It's perfect. If you use all blacks then yeah travel city but I love it. I feel like people who say this haven't used them. Because the calibration makes it for anybody to be Abel to use them with any elg strength and any travel even when light and long. It helps 10x with trail braking as he's even explained he likes travel so do I. This brick wall f2 style brakes make no sense anymore. It's why all of the active pedals all have travel. It's more controllable able to do longer trail braking without guessing. Full range of control. The brick wall pedal is made for cars with high g forces. You know why? Because it helps transfer weight foward when braking it's why an f1 or f2 car pedal is 2x as hard to push when stopped then it is in motion when slowing down from high speed. The brands who promoted realistic brakes never explained this. But we should be striving for road car feels not f1 or f2 car feels. It's ridiculous. We don't have any g forced helping us.
Haptics work in Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2, iRacing (ABS), and Automobilista 2 but you need to enable TC and ABS in-game in order to have these effects active. At default, they are set to OFF which will provide NO Haptic Feedback. You can find these settings within the options of each game title, some being Off/Low/Medium/High while others being Off/Factory/On. Also, make sure you are running the latest Software and Firmware: > SimPro Manager = v2.0.122 > Wheelbase Firmware = v171 > P1000 Pedal Firmware = v1.1.12
This info took me one step closer to buying p1000. (I was disappointed to hear that they don't work in AMS2). I'm just waiting for the review of the hydraulic kit now.
Learning and sharing all this great products and tips, is one of the things I like about your channel. Thanks for that, and keep em coming brother 👍👍💯🏁
Get yourself the spring kit for the P1000 if you have them!!!! The elastomer hysteresis makes it very difficult to be consistent on the brakes, but also you have to take into consideration that the angle sensor does not accurately reflect the pressure applied i.e. its easier to squeeze for the first few degrees then it becomes harder as an exponent. This really makes trail braking tricky as you have a lot of percentage range in a small amount of pressure difference. After buying the spring kit for the hydraulic cylinder (still fits the non-hydraulic one). I put in 2 brown springs separated by plastic disks, which are stiff enough to give a good progressive feel like the elastomers but they have no hysteresis which means I could use the load cell. Within the first 5 hours of installing this I cut off 1.5 seconds off all my existing laptimes in iRacing and AMS2. Also I took the pedal load cell cover off as it has a defect that the load cell nut digs into the cover, giving you inconsistent results. Get the springs, and take off the cover!!! Also great review on the pedals :)
I see reports the haptic works for some people on AC , rF2 and AMS 2 😯 I have to test what’s the case with me here and why they don’t on my rig! Can you confirm they haptics works I. Those sims?
Man, even your product reviews are calming and spiritually uplifting. Thanks. Your thoughts about inverted pedals really won me over. Another benefit I can see is that they would not be such terrible dust traps.
This was the video i was waiting for,Thank you.Wanted to upgrade my t3pa pro for a while now but wanted inverted pedals(plug and play).100% sure now i will buy them.Thank you once again!
Thank you again for all you do to the community! This is another thorough review, which made my decision to stay with my Simforge pedals, with a mini-exciteron the brake run by Simhub, for the time being, which works in all cars in IRacing, that have ABS & TC, i have it programmed to activate at threshold braking , for each car i drive. Love all the Simagic gear I already have, but these pedals are next on the "to buy" list! Thank you!!!
I've had these pedals a month now and love them. Solid build. Silky smooth movement. No Flex (mounted to P1X). The one negative I have is the depth of the holes on the pedals. I race in socks and with a stiff brake setup. In a long race braking gets uncomfortable. So much so that my braking gets inconsistent as I try to reposition my foot so I'm not always pressing with the same area of my foot. I've since made a removable carbon fiber cap stuck on with double sided tape and that has solved the issue.
Yeh, that is a problem I have with all the pedals who use that type of plate mount and have holes 🙈 Because are inverted I put them bit high and press the brake just below the bottom hole! I also prefer socks! Sounds good idea with the carbon cap
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
Whenever I buy something, you come up with a video that shows something better :D I'm thinking of replacing the invictas with the p1000 don't get so warm with them... as always a great video from you!
That was the review I didn't know I needed to see! After recent updates, my pedalset is the next thing to upgrade. I'll wait for these with the hydraulic upgrade. Thanks for the outstanding detailed quality of the review.
@@chepilevski yeah, especially the part where you filmed the haptic feedback kicks in de pedal were very well recorded . I really could kind off imagine the feeling by looking at it. Great stuff. Also, alot of reviewers don't review the elastomers 'relaxing' part, as part of feel in braking. That was for me the sell tbh.
I can always count on you to give me what I need 😌 💯. as I'm watching the video the question comes to mind, and then you answer it. Great review. I have been waiting to upgrade from my SR-P pedals and I think the P1000 is it. Thank you again for indep review. Love what your doing. Be blessed my Brother. ❤
@@chepilevski I think for the price you can’t beat it!! Can I ask are you buying all these products to review or are the companies asking you to review them? Just wondering because I started a UA-cam channel and I’m hoping to do some reviews at some point in the future.
I am a bit late to the table this time. Great vid as always, Steliyan. I know these review vids are hard work with usually less views the other content but so happy you keep doing them. Thanks mate!!
I have no plans for replacing my HE Sprints, just due to their reputation and quality. I am very happy with my Simagic Alpha Mini and GT4 Wheel, though. I'm happy to see the cool things that Simagic are bringing to the table! If I ever decide to buy a hydraulic brake a try, these are definitelyon my list. It's unbelievable that hydraulic brakes are available at this price point. The haptic feedback looks interesting too.
I bought complete simagic system 2 days ago and i can't wait to have them on my rig ... p1000 was already my first choice even before i see this video for that kit i already know without a doubt that i will love it haptics will be next upgrade in a couple weeks 😉 what a beatiful system for simagic they've done a great job to be attractive
@@chepilevski Some vehicles don't have ABS and TC on the original AC. And you have to make sure to hit "Game Sync" in SimPro Manager EVERY TIME you start up the wheel and pedals for a session otherwise they won't use telemetry.
I'm a little confused by what you say around 6:10 - you prefer the positional-based sensor over the load-cell sensor because you're able to more accurately reach and maintain a braking force. I can see exactly what you mean from the software, but then why does everyone constantly say how important it is to have load-cell pedals? Wouldn't it be better to just have hall-effect pedals that use elastomers instead of springs? That way you get the progressive fell of resistance at your foot, and you could just use software like FreeJoy to adjust the input curve to a progressive/exponential curve more similar to the feel of the elastomers. That would be the best of both worlds, so why doesn't everyone do that? This is not criticism by the way, I'm legitimately curious because I've been looking at load-cells to replace my Logitech pedals but if hall-effect + elastomer actually performs better, it could also be done for cheap too since any spring-based hall-effect pedal could be modded with elastomers.
iRacing doesn't export traction control with the telemetry as an anti cheat measure, so you can never detect it using simagic software or simhub. That's why my personal choice is buttkicker: using iracing integrated LFE technology (which transports all the informations), you can feel traction control and abs, so there's no need of haptics motors anymore. That's why I wont change my VRS pedals. BTW thank you for your honest review, really appreciated
Just got the simucube active pedal combo with passive throttle... I will eat potatoes only for months lol. But the second choice in the upgrade short list was this p1000
Thanks for the review! Been thinkin these or crp:s from moza. Upgrading from t300 gt pedals and haven't put my feet on load cell yet so struggle is real.
Good review. I’m still going with the P2000’s primarily for the hydraulic feel but also the long throttle pedal face as I heel toe by pivoting on the ball of my foot and swinging my heel onto the throttle. With the P1000’s it looks like you need to roll the foot to the side. As for sim hub and haptics, it’s definitely telemetry based even if the output is driven as an audio signal you can select the telemetry functions such as TC or ABS active and map them to a particular output channel. If you create per game settings it will show you what telemetry channels are supported by that particular title.
That’s awesome to know ! I will start diving in bass shakers and start learning more about it🤛 The long pedals on P2000 is indeed very comfortable for heal and toe 💪 With those I have to make some rotation of my feet to reach
Great review again!!! The lack of feedback from certain games has all to do with the output of data the game provides. For example iracing doesn’t have tc data output and that’s why the haptic motors don’t get input on the throttle.
Thank you. When I finally decide to change some component of my rig, your review arrives and my certainties waver. I was aiming for the p2000 but now....
Fantastic review once more. I think the P1000 with haptic feedback is a very competative proposition. That brings a lot to the simracers that want the next thing in pedals. But at the same time I hear you talking about the elastomers in the brake pedal. And how the pressure is difficult to keep precise. Even though you like the feel. (wich I totally get) But then switching over to position senor in stead of load cell feels like a step back really. The last couple of years all reviews are about how a load cell brake makes such a big difference. And how a load cell brake pedal should be your single best upgrade. Getting a brake pedal with a load cell and then reverting to postion sensor feels like stepping it back. Fighting with one arm behind the back? I am still running a G25. ( lol ) The steering is very notchy from years and years of use. And the Force feedback on modern sims clips frequently. The brakes are stil based on potentio meters I believe. So looking at the Moza eco system, and for pedals I am torn on 3 sets. The sets being the: sim magic P1000, Heusinkveld sprints and the VNM pedals. Perhaps the hydraulic brake upgrade can improve the feeling of the P1000 brake. So I will be checking reviews on the hydraulic upgrade. The P1000's are on provisional pole to make it on my new rig this fall.
Ah, the position sensor or load cell doesn’t make any difference in measurement! The problem is that property of the elastomers which relaxes after fast compression and is there with every load sell pedal I ever tested! I don’t know why nobody talk about this but is time to bring that problem to the surface! I put my group to test there pedals and everyone who have elastomer have the same results and we can see that in the telemetry! Position sensors are not step back and have nothing to do with muscle memory as the pressure we have to apply is the same no mater if the the load cell will measure that or the angle sensor! For the feet and muscles makes no difference!
@@chepilevskiyes. All the years everybody said loadcell is so much better. But I never understand why this should be much better, because you need the same force to press to get the angle. I think the only thing is that all good pedals have a loadcell or hydraulic pressure measurement instead of hallsensor.
@@chepilevski really? I am at almost the same situation here (still using a g27) and this workaround, to have to use the hall sensor seem to be a step back as michiel pointed out. Do you get to keep your times consistent even when using the hall sensor?
I went with Simtrecs about 5 weeks ago. No regrets but for the price these P1000 are quite amazing and should be on everyone short list under 1000$ Great video as always
I did invert them and make me think of my m3 pedals you are right inverted is much more confortable as I have knee issues also and now I can drive all day without issue.
Simtrecs are so good i wont consider any other pedal i just dont know how you can beat them to me there all i will ever need and motors on pedals dont mean much its not like they win u races i mean hell pros get beat by guys with 1998 microsoft pedals with duct tape holding them together
@adam45899 I use 4 bst-1 anyways for all the info. Don't get me wrong Simtrecs are great but not price friendly to most these p1000 are very competitive so makes sense for lots of people.
@adam45899 yeah I do think our Simtrecs are the best pedals out there in its class and price after that your jumping to simucube which makes zero sense to buy at 3500$ cnd per pedals. I had sprints before and they were great but so many options at their price now the low to mid level you have about 50 different pedals to choose and most will satisfy 95% of users so p1000 with the haptic option inverted option and how well they are built makes so much sense giving users so much from so little investment. It's a good time to be a sim racer especially a new one. No longer having to pay 3k for a dd or 1500$ for wheel you can actually be fully geared out for under 3k that's quite good. If I ever change from Simtrecs it will be because active pedals become affordable the same way DD have become. They can charge people anything for what is basically software the pedals have nothing new to mankind its the software doing the magic.
I see some people are getting confused and thing the load cell is the problem and looks like 👍 have to make separate video for that problem as I explore that for year now finding it ones with one very bad elastomer and see is there in every kit I test ! Ask my friends who are mostly in HE and we see the same stuff trough telemetry! People think is there feet to blame and there muscles but is the elastomer properly ones is compressed fast 🙈
That's very interesting. And I haven't seen anyone talking about this before...that again shows the quality of your content. Love your attention to detail! Just waiting on a delivery of some Najam K2X pedals and will also check on that and see how they behave. *thanks again! @@chepilevski
@@chepilevskicould you please test the p1000 using only elastomers (the blue and red rings) to see if it helps with the brake dropping the registering in the software? Im really looking forward to buying this pedal and invert it and put the haptic sensor in the future but this drop off on the brake is putting me in doubt about it as i dont want to use linear measurement as this seem to me like using some cheap logitech pedals.
Thank you so much for this much anticipated detailed review ! I have to say everything convinced me except the noise for the haptic sensors. In a studio apartment without any way to isolate the rig I'm afraid they will be too loud, which I'm REALLY sad about ...
Tank you so much for taking the time to answer your fan's questions very cool and finally i foud your seat on the sabelt website ... very nice seat i think eventually i want this one 😁
Just bought P1000, 1 haptic motor for the brake, and the mounting brackets for my simagic wheel to get the wheel a bit higher up while having more adjustability. God bless Simagic!
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot? If so, how much does it drops on the software measurement?
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot? If so, how much does it drops on the software measurement?
Maybe you could do the same test he did in the video and report to us here if you can. Also, could you confirm if the pedals came with any blue extra elastomers on that little box?
I wish they had released or even announced these back in december when i was upgrading my rig, i got VNM pedals instead and now i want to change to these so i can run all simagic hardware from one app instead few different ones, and also my ocd would be happier when looking at my rig.
I got the alpha mini and these pedals. I finally understand why people say pedal upgrades are more important than wheel upgrades. I love the alpha mini but I noticed a way bigger difference with the P1000s against the Thrustmaster T3PA pedals.
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
Looking foward to buy these ! I'm working my ass of to chase my dream of ultimate man cave like yours haha ! Thank's a lot for the wonderful content as always ! Hope ur doing well mate ! 💪
I recently bought the P1000s with two motors and honestly really like them. I agree with you assessment, the software has major limitations currently and they can be a bit gimmicky; but in the right scenario they are just magic. MX5 racing in iracing has been fantastic with the motors and really adds the the immersion in VR. I primarily bought these over the P2000s for the motors and the fact they can be inverted. I'm really hoping the hydraulic addon can be mounted inverted as that would truly complete these pedals.
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
I picked these up about a month ago and I really enjoy them. My only complaint is the cables for the brake are too short to completely remove the clutch and move the brake over. I guess it would require some DIY to extend the cable, but would have liked to see them offer a 2-pedal set instead.
Wow, that’s not the case with the set I have here as all 3 pedals have very long cables and I have to make cable management. Two pedal set will be great indeed as people can spend more for other upgrades instead of pedal they don’t use 🤛
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot? If so, how much does it drops on the software measurement?
I was extremely excited for these pedals, but decided to wait for your full review before purchasing and I am glad I did. The incompatibility with AC and AMS2 with it's motors completely kills it for me unfortunately. To the point where I would argue, what would be the point of having motors that only work with two specific games, much less have it have it only be effective competitively with one game. At that point, that specific feature begins to look more like a gimmic, even if it is useful in iracing. Furthermore, the lack of communication provided from simagic when it comes to future compatibility makes me weary of spending so much money on them. The review video however was amazing and honestly answered 90% of the questions I had. Thank you so much for such an informative and detailed review. I look forward to seeing what else you have in store for us!
I pin a post from someone who said it works for AC as he have those ! I have to test again and hope was something wrong with my test there ! On AMS 2 I try more but couldn’t found the way to make them work! I asked the technical team but they give very unclear answer 🙈 Let’s see how much they can improve compatibility
I'm holding back for much the same reason, Though I might buy the pedals and skip the haptic motors until they improve the game interaction. Weird that my seat cover can read the telemetry from AMS2 and tell me when each individual wheel locks up but this set of pedals can't access the same data.
Those pedal plates look gorgeous! To be honest in my case it wasnt _quite_ enough to convince me. if it was just slightly cheaper i might have chosen them. Since i am on iracing (so only one motor anyway), dont care for inverted, and lights look kind of silly in my opinion (really annoying on atrax for me), the bells and whistles werent enough for me to pick it over a more traditional set of pedals as i would rather invest that extra money in "better" high end without all the features. Ended up going with vnm because they are essentially a modern take on the HE ultimate+ with incredible build quality for roughly around the same price as these and the sprints, and for a little more come with really nice adjustable dampers. And who knows, if other companies take notice maybe there will be a standalone pedal feedback-kit one day other than the current DIY ones you can buy. But even if i dont see the value with all the upgrades i still completely agree, if you are on a slightly tighter budget and especially if the hydraulic kit turns out good, these definetly seem like the best choice over all!
Thanks for the in depth review. I must say I'm a bit surprised. I've been hesitating for a very long time to replace my Thrusmaster T3PA Pro set, and still hesitate. For more than 2 years ! All this time, I've been told that load cell is a must, because of muscle memory. And you just told us that this specific P1000 brake pedal, which does both load cell and position measurements is best (for you) when using the position setting ? I'm flabbergasted !
Load cell is great but the problem comes from the elastomers! Some elastomer are better then other but they all have some percentage of loss! If they use springs to compress the load cell is perfect!
@@chepilevski OK, understood. We're talking about a small problem perhaps, but enough to push you to chose the position setting. What about the famous muscle memory when using this setting ? And how comes that you are the first to talk about this problem that seems to exist everywhere there are elastomers ? I've been watching many many reviews these past years, and I never heard about that. Anyway, past the surprise, the conclusion is: if there were an option, let's say the P1000+, using the hydrolic + spring + load cell system from the P2000, you would switch back to load cell, right ?
@@pandacongolais how it measures it doesn’t makes difference for the muscle memory as the leg applies the same movement no matter if I use load cell or angle , can see that on the vide my feet operate the same way! I put my Leah community to test there pedals and every one see that same thing with there elastomer and we can see it clearly on the telemetry! No one is talking about it as most people think they can’t keep the exact pressure and is problem from there feet but is not and I found that few year ago with one very bad elastomer and then start giving attention! Wen I use spring is perfect wen I go back to elastomer same problem ! It is not the load cell creating the muscle memory but the compression of the spring , hydraulic or elastomer and as long as it has some movement on the pedal, the angle position makes the same thing!
Great and thorough review! Though I personally prefer the feel on the P2000s, the P1000 with the haptics are indeed one of the best and most versatile pedals out there. Though for the haptics I believe they support ABS, TC & clutch in both AC and AMS2, they work absolutely fine for me on most sims I’ve driven on (AC,ACC,AMS2,rF2,iR) so maybe worth checking the software or settings?
Wow, are the haptics working for you on rF2, AMS2 and AC? Some one write in the comments they work on AC ! I have to see what’s the problem here if they work for you !
@@chepilevski I wish I had a more in depth answer for you but what I did was literally fired up my SimPro 2, checked if the haptics are on then boot up and play😂 So I don’t really have a idea on what went wrong for you and many others Perhaps worth checking firmware or the software version out to see if they’re at the latest version, or the haptics interface to see if they are in a correct setting/preset for the game🙂
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
Great review as always 👍 I totally agree with you about the inverted pedals, so much better feeling and brake precision. I don't understand why there isn't more inverted pedals, we ain't driving delivery trucks 😂 Will wait for the hydraulic kit to order them, will be a nice upgrade to my csl elite pedals... 👍
@@chepilevski Please, tell me that your review on the hydraulic kit is very close now!!! I'm fricking impatient... :) In the meantime I watched every review on the P1000 available on YT. I watched yours 3 times at least... :D
Wow I’m surprised to hear this because the community always says that loadcell pedals are a must, but I trust your opinion because I know you are very knowledgeable
@@offdapace2627I believe this was due to how difficult hall sensors/potentiometer pedal compared to loadcell. All loadcell were heacy and clearly a loadcell was best but a potentiometer/hall sensor pedal was always position based but with tech moving on and getting much better a hall sensor can be as good in this case better than a loadcell. As for the elastomer drop off I've tested my HE Pro and it does happen on those but I think it's more too do with your leg not being able too stay completely still where with Springs its much easier.
Brake springs can be used in the Throttle. Blue one is top :) a bit harder than standard and Simagic is also developing lost of traction feedback for Haptics. Can't wait
yet another great feedback & information to guide us on any updates that we are always considering - I am still using & loving my Imsim pedals which I purchased after your review of them last year. after many hours & tweaking the brake I finally have it set to perfection for me. Keep up the great work will wait & see what Sim Magic does with the upgrades - love the sound of the ABS triggering through the pedal, is it really that much of a game changer in iRacing??
Imsim are such a great pedals man 💪 The haptic on iRacing for cars with abs is really huge advantage for me! I found even different cars for the same class need different feet pressure as they activate the ABS In different stage ! Now I can fully understand how much force I need to apply for even different track temperatures and wen tires get fucked in the second stint! For IRacing is really game changer 😯
Geat review as usual. With the angle sensor, does it mean it doesn't use the load cell at all? So it's basically just measuring rotation like the cheap spring-based pedals?
Yes buddy, that just switches to different sensors! Nothing changes in feeling just the position sensor have less resolution but when I say less is still a lot if the pedals moves 2-3 cm
For a long time I have thought about what pedals to upgrade to after using V3s. I ended up going the P1000 just on the quality and the modular system. I am now dreaming of the hydraulic upgrade.
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
@@Jose-pq4bc Well, yes everyone does on all load cells. Holding steady constant pressure on anything is hard. Like holding a weight out in front of you with straight arms, your arms are going to drop pretty quick. Also, just the temperature will change how much you can compress the elastomers and how quickly. Cold they are firm. Hot they are soft. Use the angle option and you will definitely be able to hold it to a small number range more consistently over a longer period of time. You are still pushing with your leg so you will eventually wane using either. Angle is just much better.
Love the channel. The passion is real and your humility is appreciated. If I may ask, where did you acquire that lovely button plate for your BMW steering wheel? I’ve been wanted to ask for months lol
Hey, thx for the detailed review! I was waiting since your first teaser… I currently use the Moza SR-P lite as part of the R5 bundle, but tuned them accordingly your review of those (2 elastomers instead of the spring). But I‘m still not sure if I buy the P1000i (after this video) or the Simgrade VX pro which use load cells with springs… Thx again for your efforts for us!
Hey! Great videos as always! I am planning to create my own DIY pedal haptic with some exciters. I think they will be similar or the same, however the price - quality is insane! Please review Simtrecs GT Pro pedals! Thank you!
Thanks for elastomer relaxation discussion. Some steel spring stack should approximate progressive brake feel without that. Exactly how are haptic motors connected to a PC?. FWIW, iRacing provides no telemetry for tire slip or wheel lock. Sorting a way to drive those haptic motors from SimHub is the make or break criterion for me.
This may sound odd, but I have the Huesinkveld Ultimate Plus pedals, but I have never felt fully comfortable with the brake feel. I want to try these, but a lot of money.
Got the heusinkveld sprints, planning on attaching transducers but I still like the look of these. Don’t think it’ll be worth the update. I’d prob have to test these first but won’t get that chance
If is upgrade depending only how many of the extra features are important! From feeling point of view it won’t be much different except if the P1000 are inverted 🤛
@@chepilevski I know this is an older video and not sure if you will see this. Like above, I currently have HE Sprints with the old elastomers. I was looking at the P1000 inverted with hydraulic brake and pedal. I currently have NEO HPR haptics I would use. Do you think it’s worth it in regard to feel, smoothness, brake control etc. I have a hard time with the Sprints managing consistent brake pressure and trail braking etc.
Love this channel and your videos! Thank you so much. Liked this P1000 review and i bought inverted version with hydraulic brake and two haptic motors. One question about brake. Does it feel sticky / jumpy when you trail brake? Just cant have one fluid motion where % comes down like 99, 98, 97, 96... its more like 99,95,85,75. Its very hard to be consistent with trail brake because of that
Isn't the angle sensor just position based so you could run without elastomers and at the same pedal angle it will give you that same brake %?. Similar to the Asetek Forte pedals which a lot of people complained about as their one measure more position rather than pressure.
I went ahead and purchased a set, Though I didn't bother with the haptic motors. Which is the only reason these initially got my attention. Might still go down that path if they improve the software (or Simhub come on board). Very nice pedals as standard though, Huge impact on my driving.
@@chepilevski Changelog in simhub release from a couple days back makes reference to support for P1000 Motors. Got them up and running in AMS2 with ABS, TC, and wheel lock for cars without ABS. I also tried the wheel slip effect which was great when dropping the clutch and spinning up the rear end, though it was also triggered under braking and mid corner so the end result was too much chatter.
Hi Buddy, great review as usual. Right now I think about upgrading from my Fanatec CSP v3 to either P1000, VX Pro or VNM Lite pedals. These are all great pedals according to various reviews, but I want to consider, which of these pedals would give me the best progressive feeling for trailbraking. Maybe you can give me an advice. Best regards!
Guys, I’m ordering all my gear for my first sim rig. Haven’t decided on the pedals yet. Would like to keep it around $1,200 give or take. Will spend more if it’s a better value. Would appreciate some suggestions. Should I do the ones in this video? Was looking at the Heusinkveld Ultimate+ or the Sprint.
Hey buddy, the budget of 1.2k for pedals is great and I believe with those you can get the full option including the Hydraulic system on both, throttle and brake , those one or two haptics and you are fully covered under your budget and have something absolutely awesome! Many of my close friends moved from HE to those and are happier 🤛
The braking force dropping with the same force applied is concerning. I haven't seen this on my Fanatec CSL load cell, but it's a very stiff elastomer. I'd love to buy these, but not before they fix that issue. There must be a drawback to using the angle sensor instead of the force sensors.
All elastomers have that issue but the hardest have less for sure ! It is always the first thing to check for pedals and choose elastomer set which have the less 🤛 The position sensor works very well and I don’t think will ever have problem as those are magnetic sensors used in automotive industry. The problem can be fixed however immediately if they bring set of springs for the brake ! Hope they do
I see they have SIMAGIC P2000-HCB Haptic Control Box+Bracket I am guessing for p2000 to have those motors work but what i wonder about the most if this would make it essentially work for any pedal set if you figure out how to attach them it seems to have 1 power port 3 output ports to shakers and 1 usb input port that is not used in their pictures and pedals connected with some other inputs on backend.
@@chepilevski nice! so you already have that box? hopefully it can just work trough simhub with that usb connection without having to attach p2000 pedals.
@@chepilevski very nice! i guess only thing we need is someone good with 3d printer stuff to eventually make something that attaches ( I personally have fanatec v3) or im sure i could figure something out, would have to see it in hand.
Are you using logarithmic curve for the brake pedal when using Hall Sensor to account for non-linearity of pedal angle vs. increasing stiffness of the elastomers?
Great video, but now I'm more confused than ever. Was going to go for the fanatec clubsport v2 pedals, but no having seen this I'm thinking to for out an additional 6k ( I'm in south africa) to get these..
Is the compression issue anything to worry about, or more serious than other products? I am torn between the Moza crp because these are the only brands available in my country, as shipping is really expensive. I am hoping to make this my final upgrade for a long time as these pedals seem good enough for me.
No at all! All elastomer based pedestals I ever tested and all HE pedals my friends are working like this ! Just here we can avoid that with angle sensor !
I haven’t changed it at all buddy! The set they had in was just great for me ! At some point I can test different settings but I doubt I want to go softer or harder then that 🤛
@@chepilevskiso you are using the grey rubbers that come by default on the brakes? If so, could you confirm if replacing them by the elastomers (blue and red ones) help improving the measurement of brake pressure when using the load cell sensor?
Great Video Stelian, as always! I think I will go this direction. Do i get any shaking throttle feedback in iRacing? Maybe with Simhub, or so? Like wheel spin and so. And is the shaking strenght adjsutable? Do I ned the extra powersupply cable for every shaker? so 3 cabels? Many questions^^
Hey buddy, it is one power supply for 3 shakers! There are effects for the throttle which can be used in iRacing but I found myself using only the ABS ! My suggestion is to go for one motor for beginning and test all the effects and see if will worth for you adding more! It will be easy if you like it to take just another one later !
Damn.... Il soooooo close to buy thé p1000 hydraulic pedal set..... but not sure if it is Big step enough compare to my meca cup1 which is very similar to a heusinkveld.... 😅
so whats the point of having a load cell if we are relying on angle sensor now? did we just came full circle? i remember when load cell was the only way to be competitive.
Hey there. Good review, like it. Might be an upgrade opportunity for my K2X Pedals. Btw. maybe you could try to make your rig more immersive with for example Hue Play Light bars. I used it once, but dismounted it because it was only one light bar and I "just" have a single screen. Maybe you could give it a try, it was pretty impressive for me
@@chepilevski Ah okay, so you already tried it. Good to know 👍. But in order to get the working properly, you need the hue sync app, which should run in the sync mode the whole time if you're driving, and it should work with the light dimming. It worked for me if I drove for example on Monza in the morning and went from dark into sunshine. Was actually impressed
@@lorenz7550 it is dimming but still picking up colors ! They improve the software and we suggested to them to make it possible pick up specific color temperature! Let’s see how far will they go 😃
@@chepilevski Yeah, hope, it's gotta be realistic. As I said, I was pretty dang impressed, when I went from dark into sunrise on a track and it did light up completely. Would be really cool being able to make the light as realistic as in the real world. Btw. sold my Csl Dd to a friend and made the switch to a R5 at first. Love the change and the qr. Way better for Moza
hi there, great video. sorry if I missed but are these normal or hydraulic ones, I'm trying to find out what's the difference ? I'm trying to choose between the two for my build
Thanks for the review! Would you suggest getting motors for oval racing where you have to be precise with throttle/break? Because judging from the video, I feel that unless it's about ABS, there is not much sense in them
:Throttle throw is to much (subjective)but those wanting a solution
You can put one of the rubbers behind the throttle spring removing the unwanted extra travel (subjective) and at the same time with a little bit of pre load it also gets a bit stiffer for anyone wanting to achive this. If you have the hydraulic mod and dont use all the gold metal spacers you can also use one of those but it does add a little to much of a Metallic feel for my liking but you could add a thin rubber washer.
Good points bro🤛
Let’s pin your post if someone have the same issue like you 💪
Big hug brother 🤗
Thanks, this definitely helps me, I'm having the same issue. Did you use a black or grey elastomer?
@@Tommy_G29 I used a grey one my friend but try then out and see what suits your needs if you need any other advice in the pedals please ask I’ve sorted most issues I had.
@@Simlife101 amazing, thank you!! 🙏
My favorite part is the throw. But if you use 4 blues and 4 reds it's not much at all. It's perfect. If you use all blacks then yeah travel city but I love it. I feel like people who say this haven't used them. Because the calibration makes it for anybody to be Abel to use them with any elg strength and any travel even when light and long. It helps 10x with trail braking as he's even explained he likes travel so do I. This brick wall f2 style brakes make no sense anymore. It's why all of the active pedals all have travel. It's more controllable able to do longer trail braking without guessing. Full range of control. The brick wall pedal is made for cars with high g forces. You know why? Because it helps transfer weight foward when braking it's why an f1 or f2 car pedal is 2x as hard to push when stopped then it is in motion when slowing down from high speed. The brands who promoted realistic brakes never explained this. But we should be striving for road car feels not f1 or f2 car feels. It's ridiculous. We don't have any g forced helping us.
Haptics work in Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2, iRacing (ABS), and Automobilista 2 but you need to enable TC and ABS in-game in order to have these effects active. At default, they are set to OFF which will provide NO Haptic Feedback. You can find these settings within the options of each game title, some being Off/Low/Medium/High while others being Off/Factory/On.
Also, make sure you are running the latest Software and Firmware:
> SimPro Manager = v2.0.122
> Wheelbase Firmware = v171
> P1000 Pedal Firmware = v1.1.12
That’s huge 😯
Thanks for the report 🤗
This info took me one step closer to buying p1000. (I was disappointed to hear that they don't work in AMS2). I'm just waiting for the review of the hydraulic kit now.
Learning and sharing all this great products and tips, is one of the things I like about your channel. Thanks for that, and keep em coming brother 👍👍💯🏁
So the effects can only be used for ABS and TC? Or also for Wheel lock on braeks or wheel spin on throttle. Or road effects?
@@zsozsathe haptics definitely work with AMS2
Get yourself the spring kit for the P1000 if you have them!!!!
The elastomer hysteresis makes it very difficult to be consistent on the brakes, but also you have to take into consideration that the angle sensor does not accurately reflect the pressure applied i.e. its easier to squeeze for the first few degrees then it becomes harder as an exponent. This really makes trail braking tricky as you have a lot of percentage range in a small amount of pressure difference.
After buying the spring kit for the hydraulic cylinder (still fits the non-hydraulic one). I put in 2 brown springs separated by plastic disks, which are stiff enough to give a good progressive feel like the elastomers but they have no hysteresis which means I could use the load cell. Within the first 5 hours of installing this I cut off 1.5 seconds off all my existing laptimes in iRacing and AMS2. Also I took the pedal load cell cover off as it has a defect that the load cell nut digs into the cover, giving you inconsistent results.
Get the springs, and take off the cover!!!
Also great review on the pedals :)
Oh hey that's us!😆 Glad you liked it so much. Thank you so much for this excellent review of the P1000! KEEP RACING!
I see reports the haptic works for some people on AC , rF2 and AMS 2 😯
I have to test what’s the case with me here and why they don’t on my rig!
Can you confirm they haptics works I. Those sims?
Been waiting for this one. Can't afford them, but excited to see where this pushes the industry.
I hope will be invited to all pedals soon 😃
The haptic reactors can now be controlled by Simhub on the lastest version (9.0.4)
Those are the news I wanted to hear ❤️🤩
That made my choice between these and the singrade vx-pros
@@bossupratt already had the P1000, but now I have also ordered the reactors
@duarte11vieira that's awesome are you planning on the hydraulic or the inverted pedal accessories???
@@bossupratt the hydraulic probably, feedback has been great
Man, even your product reviews are calming and spiritually uplifting. Thanks. Your thoughts about inverted pedals really won me over. Another benefit I can see is that they would not be such terrible dust traps.
Much love brother 😁
Thx for the kind words!
As you can see on the video, there is lot of dust on the top 😁
This was the video i was waiting for,Thank you.Wanted to upgrade my t3pa pro for a while now but wanted inverted pedals(plug and play).100% sure now i will buy them.Thank you once again!
Happy if helped Danne 🍻
They have arrived with the 3 haptic motors and feels amazing compare to the t3pa pro haha@@chepilevski 🍻
Thank you again for all you do to the community! This is another thorough review, which made my decision to stay with my Simforge pedals, with a mini-exciteron the brake run by Simhub, for the time being, which works in all cars in IRacing, that have ABS & TC, i have it programmed to activate at threshold braking , for each car i drive. Love all the Simagic gear I already have, but these pedals are next on the "to buy" list! Thank you!!!
Happy if helped brother 🍻
I've had these pedals a month now and love them. Solid build. Silky smooth movement. No Flex (mounted to P1X). The one negative I have is the depth of the holes on the pedals. I race in socks and with a stiff brake setup. In a long race braking gets uncomfortable. So much so that my braking gets inconsistent as I try to reposition my foot so I'm not always pressing with the same area of my foot. I've since made a removable carbon fiber cap stuck on with double sided tape and that has solved the issue.
Yeh, that is a problem I have with all the pedals who use that type of plate mount and have holes 🙈
Because are inverted I put them bit high and press the brake just below the bottom hole!
I also prefer socks!
Sounds good idea with the carbon cap
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
Wow, I never realized the rubbers and load cells do not mix well. Very informative!
The photography is great, excellent use of lighting and depth of field/focus.
Thx Steve 🤛🤗
Whenever I buy something, you come up with a video that shows something better :D I'm thinking of replacing the invictas with the p1000
don't get so warm with them...
as always a great video from you!
Big hug buddy 🤗
That was the review I didn't know I needed to see! After recent updates, my pedalset is the next thing to upgrade. I'll wait for these with the hydraulic upgrade. Thanks for the outstanding detailed quality of the review.
Happy if helped buddy 😃🍻
@@chepilevski yeah, especially the part where you filmed the haptic feedback kicks in de pedal were very well recorded . I really could kind off imagine the feeling by looking at it. Great stuff. Also, alot of reviewers don't review the elastomers 'relaxing' part, as part of feel in braking. That was for me the sell tbh.
Glad to hear your thoughts on these peddles. I’m definitely considering them. Have a great week! 🍻
Happy if helped bro 🍻
I can always count on you to give me what I need 😌 💯. as I'm watching the video the question comes to mind, and then you answer it. Great review. I have been waiting to upgrade from my SR-P pedals and I think the P1000 is it. Thank you again for indep review. Love what your doing. Be blessed my Brother. ❤
Much love brother 🤗
Happy if that helped 🍻
Yes… thank you I’ve been waiting for the review for this!!
Hope you’ve got better idea after that buddy 🍻
@@chepilevski I think for the price you can’t beat it!! Can I ask are you buying all these products to review or are the companies asking you to review them? Just wondering because I started a UA-cam channel and I’m hoping to do some reviews at some point in the future.
@@Bratmouse1 usually companies contact me and ask if I want to test there products and if I have time and the product is existing for me I say yes !
@@chepilevski thanks for sharing that!! I appreciate it. Love your channel and your editing is awesome!!!
one video i was waiting for. glad i got my whisky to enjoy while watching
Cheers brother 🥃
so haw hard is softest option on brake pedal? do u have tlcm by chance so u can compare it?@@chepilevski
I am a bit late to the table this time. Great vid as always, Steliyan. I know these review vids are hard work with usually less views the other content but so happy you keep doing them. Thanks mate!!
Thanks for the support brother 🍻
Always!@@chepilevski
Great review! You explain in such detail and it really helps understand how these pedals work and feel.
I have no plans for replacing my HE Sprints, just due to their reputation and quality. I am very happy with my Simagic Alpha Mini and GT4 Wheel, though. I'm happy to see the cool things that Simagic are bringing to the table! If I ever decide to buy a hydraulic brake a try, these are definitelyon my list. It's unbelievable that hydraulic brakes are available at this price point. The haptic feedback looks interesting too.
Yeh man , we are living definitely existing times 😃
I bought complete simagic system 2 days ago and i can't wait to have them on my rig ... p1000 was already my first choice even before i see this video for that kit i already know without a doubt that i will love it haptics will be next upgrade in a couple weeks 😉 what a beatiful system for simagic they've done a great job to be attractive
Happy racing with the new gear Jimmy, you will have a blast with it 😃
Motors works in asetto corsa. I have this pedales and it is works in AC
Wow I have to pin that post!
I don’t know why it did wen I tested it, will give it second attempt!
Thx for the report buddy 🤗
It works ABS and TC ?
@@chepilevski yes, abs and tc works in AC, rfactor 2 and automobilista 2 do not work
This is good news. I was freaking out when he said that because I've ordered them and they arrive on Tuesday 😂
@@juanseijas2359 thanks for confirming that buddy 🤛
@@chepilevski Some vehicles don't have ABS and TC on the original AC. And you have to make sure to hit "Game Sync" in SimPro Manager EVERY TIME you start up the wheel and pedals for a session otherwise they won't use telemetry.
I'm a little confused by what you say around 6:10 - you prefer the positional-based sensor over the load-cell sensor because you're able to more accurately reach and maintain a braking force. I can see exactly what you mean from the software, but then why does everyone constantly say how important it is to have load-cell pedals? Wouldn't it be better to just have hall-effect pedals that use elastomers instead of springs? That way you get the progressive fell of resistance at your foot, and you could just use software like FreeJoy to adjust the input curve to a progressive/exponential curve more similar to the feel of the elastomers. That would be the best of both worlds, so why doesn't everyone do that? This is not criticism by the way, I'm legitimately curious because I've been looking at load-cells to replace my Logitech pedals but if hall-effect + elastomer actually performs better, it could also be done for cheap too since any spring-based hall-effect pedal could be modded with elastomers.
I would love to get just 1 drive on these. Great video as always.
iRacing doesn't export traction control with the telemetry as an anti cheat measure, so you can never detect it using simagic software or simhub.
That's why my personal choice is buttkicker: using iracing integrated LFE technology (which transports all the informations), you can feel traction control and abs, so there's no need of haptics motors anymore.
That's why I wont change my VRS pedals.
BTW thank you for your honest review, really appreciated
That’s a thing indeed buddy 🤛
Just got the simucube active pedal combo with passive throttle... I will eat potatoes only for months lol. But the second choice in the upgrade short list was this p1000
🤣🤣🤣
That’s what passion is brother 😁
We my eat potatoes but enjoy the hobby 🍻
Thanks for the review! Been thinkin these or crp:s from moza. Upgrading from t300 gt pedals and haven't put my feet on load cell yet so struggle is real.
Hope it helped to make your decision buddy 🤛
Good review. I’m still going with the P2000’s primarily for the hydraulic feel but also the long throttle pedal face as I heel toe by pivoting on the ball of my foot and swinging my heel onto the throttle. With the P1000’s it looks like you need to roll the foot to the side. As for sim hub and haptics, it’s definitely telemetry based even if the output is driven as an audio signal you can select the telemetry functions such as TC or ABS active and map them to a particular output channel. If you create per game settings it will show you what telemetry channels are supported by that particular title.
That’s awesome to know ! I will start diving in bass shakers and start learning more about it🤛
The long pedals on P2000 is indeed very comfortable for heal and toe 💪
With those I have to make some rotation of my feet to reach
Me too IMO p2000's hydaulic and log throottle are absolutely attractive
Great review again!!!
The lack of feedback from certain games has all to do with the output of data the game provides. For example iracing doesn’t have tc data output and that’s why the haptic motors don’t get input on the throttle.
Thanks for confirming that buddy!
Simagic told me that but I wasn’t sure if there is a way to go around!
These are some really beautiful looking pedals and definitely needed you reviewing them! Thank you for the coverage. :)
Whether someone agrees or not its always best to see all points of view. Your reviews are always detailed and about your own experience. Good stuff.
Thank you. When I finally decide to change some component of my rig, your review arrives and my certainties waver. I was aiming for the p2000 but now....
Hope that video gives you material to think about your next step buddy 🤛
Fantastic review once more. I think the P1000 with haptic feedback is a very competative proposition. That brings a lot to the simracers that want the next thing in pedals. But at the same time I hear you talking about the elastomers in the brake pedal. And how the pressure is difficult to keep precise. Even though you like the feel. (wich I totally get) But then switching over to position senor in stead of load cell feels like a step back really. The last couple of years all reviews are about how a load cell brake makes such a big difference. And how a load cell brake pedal should be your single best upgrade. Getting a brake pedal with a load cell and then reverting to postion sensor feels like stepping it back. Fighting with one arm behind the back? I am still running a G25. ( lol ) The steering is very notchy from years and years of use. And the Force feedback on modern sims clips frequently. The brakes are stil based on potentio meters I believe. So looking at the Moza eco system, and for pedals I am torn on 3 sets. The sets being the: sim magic P1000, Heusinkveld sprints and the VNM pedals. Perhaps the hydraulic brake upgrade can improve the feeling of the P1000 brake. So I will be checking reviews on the hydraulic upgrade. The P1000's are on provisional pole to make it on my new rig this fall.
Ah, the position sensor or load cell doesn’t make any difference in measurement! The problem is that property of the elastomers which relaxes after fast compression and is there with every load sell pedal I ever tested!
I don’t know why nobody talk about this but is time to bring that problem to the surface! I put my group to test there pedals and everyone who have elastomer have the same results and we can see that in the telemetry!
Position sensors are not step back and have nothing to do with muscle memory as the pressure we have to apply is the same no mater if the the load cell will measure that or the angle sensor! For the feet and muscles makes no difference!
@@chepilevskiyes. All the years everybody said loadcell is so much better. But I never understand why this should be much better, because you need the same force to press to get the angle. I think the only thing is that all good pedals have a loadcell or hydraulic pressure measurement instead of hallsensor.
@@chepilevski really? I am at almost the same situation here (still using a g27) and this workaround, to have to use the hall sensor seem to be a step back as michiel pointed out. Do you get to keep your times consistent even when using the hall sensor?
I went with Simtrecs about 5 weeks ago. No regrets but for the price these P1000 are quite amazing and should be on everyone short list under 1000$
Great video as always
I did invert them and make me think of my m3 pedals you are right inverted is much more confortable as I have knee issues also and now I can drive all day without issue.
Simtrecs are so good i wont consider any other pedal i just dont know how you can beat them to me there all i will ever need and motors on pedals dont mean much its not like they win u races i mean hell pros get beat by guys with 1998 microsoft pedals with duct tape holding them together
@adam45899 I use 4 bst-1 anyways for all the info. Don't get me wrong Simtrecs are great but not price friendly to most these p1000 are very competitive so makes sense for lots of people.
@@taxi615 your right i see your point for sure,everything in this hobby is so expensive which makes it hard
@adam45899 yeah I do think our Simtrecs are the best pedals out there in its class and price after that your jumping to simucube which makes zero sense to buy at 3500$ cnd per pedals. I had sprints before and they were great but so many options at their price now the low to mid level you have about 50 different pedals to choose and most will satisfy 95% of users so p1000 with the haptic option inverted option and how well they are built makes so much sense giving users so much from so little investment. It's a good time to be a sim racer especially a new one. No longer having to pay 3k for a dd or 1500$ for wheel you can actually be fully geared out for under 3k that's quite good. If I ever change from Simtrecs it will be because active pedals become affordable the same way DD have become. They can charge people anything for what is basically software the pedals have nothing new to mankind its the software doing the magic.
Great video and some very good thought-input about your experience with the general load cell & elastomer combination! 🙃
I see some people are getting confused and thing the load cell is the problem and looks like 👍 have to make separate video for that problem as I explore that for year now finding it ones with one very bad elastomer and see is there in every kit I test !
Ask my friends who are mostly in HE and we see the same stuff trough telemetry!
People think is there feet to blame and there muscles but is the elastomer properly ones is compressed fast 🙈
That's very interesting. And I haven't seen anyone talking about this before...that again shows the quality of your content. Love your attention to detail! Just waiting on a delivery of some Najam K2X pedals and will also check on that and see how they behave. *thanks again! @@chepilevski
@@chepilevskicould you please test the p1000 using only elastomers (the blue and red rings) to see if it helps with the brake dropping the registering in the software? Im really looking forward to buying this pedal and invert it and put the haptic sensor in the future but this drop off on the brake is putting me in doubt about it as i dont want to use linear measurement as this seem to me like using some cheap logitech pedals.
Thank you so much for this much anticipated detailed review ! I have to say everything convinced me except the noise for the haptic sensors. In a studio apartment without any way to isolate the rig I'm afraid they will be too loud, which I'm REALLY sad about ...
Yes man, there is no way around this noise 🙈
Out of the room is ok but I’m not sure how it goes for the neighbors on the first floor 🙈
Tank you so much for taking the time to answer your fan's questions very cool and finally i foud your seat on the sabelt website ... very nice seat i think eventually i want this one 😁
Great review as always. Appreciate the full breakdown and transparency.
Just bought P1000, 1 haptic motor for the brake, and the mounting brackets for my simagic wheel to get the wheel a bit higher up while having more adjustability. God bless Simagic!
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot? If so, how much does it drops on the software measurement?
Installed them in my new rig and love them!
😃
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot? If so, how much does it drops on the software measurement?
I haven’t noticed it in practice and haven’t checked it.
Maybe you could do the same test he did in the video and report to us here if you can. Also, could you confirm if the pedals came with any blue extra elastomers on that little box?
Thank you for your honest opinions, I have just ordered my P1000s. 😊 Thank you for what you do for the sim racing community 👍🏻
I wish they had released or even announced these back in december when i was upgrading my rig, i got VNM pedals instead and now i want to change to these so i can run all simagic hardware from one app instead few different ones, and also my ocd would be happier when looking at my rig.
I got the alpha mini and these pedals. I finally understand why people say pedal upgrades are more important than wheel upgrades. I love the alpha mini but I noticed a way bigger difference with the P1000s against the Thrustmaster T3PA pedals.
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
O formato do seus vídeos são muito bons, a chuva no fundo muito legal!
Thanks brother 🍻
Looking foward to buy these ! I'm working my ass of to chase my dream of ultimate man cave like yours haha ! Thank's a lot for the wonderful content as always ! Hope ur doing well mate ! 💪
It looks s beautiful journey brother 💪
Best of luck my friend 😃
Btw do you think it's possible to get the P1000 with only two pedals and the inverting kit or is it only for the three pedals set ?@@chepilevski
@@nathancadeneracing I’m not sure buddy! I think I saw they sale already two pedestals kit with the hydraulic system pre installed
Your channel and Sim Racing Garage are the defacto authorities on sim racing. Great video as always.
Thank you for the supportive words buddy 🍻
Have a great weekend mate 🤛
Man!! Way cool! Love your work!! You're Elite!! Thank you
Thanks for the support buddy
I recently bought the P1000s with two motors and honestly really like them. I agree with you assessment, the software has major limitations currently and they can be a bit gimmicky; but in the right scenario they are just magic. MX5 racing in iracing has been fantastic with the motors and really adds the the immersion in VR. I primarily bought these over the P2000s for the motors and the fact they can be inverted. I'm really hoping the hydraulic addon can be mounted inverted as that would truly complete these pedals.
I guess won’t be a problem on inverted to be set the hydraulic kit but let’s see what and when they will release those 😃
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
I picked these up about a month ago and I really enjoy them. My only complaint is the cables for the brake are too short to completely remove the clutch and move the brake over. I guess it would require some DIY to extend the cable, but would have liked to see them offer a 2-pedal set instead.
I have heard that they are bringing out a longer cable so you can do that
That's exciting if they end up offering a longer cable or an extension!@@offdapace2627
Wow, that’s not the case with the set I have here as all 3 pedals have very long cables and I have to make cable management.
Two pedal set will be great indeed as people can spend more for other upgrades instead of pedal they don’t use 🤛
I've read somewhere, you can ask your Distributor for it. Apparently they heard this feedback and new stock come standard with longer ones.
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot? If so, how much does it drops on the software measurement?
I was extremely excited for these pedals, but decided to wait for your full review before purchasing and I am glad I did. The incompatibility with AC and AMS2 with it's motors completely kills it for me unfortunately. To the point where I would argue, what would be the point of having motors that only work with two specific games, much less have it have it only be effective competitively with one game. At that point, that specific feature begins to look more like a gimmic, even if it is useful in iracing. Furthermore, the lack of communication provided from simagic when it comes to future compatibility makes me weary of spending so much money on them. The review video however was amazing and honestly answered 90% of the questions I had. Thank you so much for such an informative and detailed review. I look forward to seeing what else you have in store for us!
I pin a post from someone who said it works for AC as he have those ! I have to test again and hope was something wrong with my test there !
On AMS 2 I try more but couldn’t found the way to make them work!
I asked the technical team but they give very unclear answer 🙈
Let’s see how much they can improve compatibility
I'm holding back for much the same reason, Though I might buy the pedals and skip the haptic motors until they improve the game interaction. Weird that my seat cover can read the telemetry from AMS2 and tell me when each individual wheel locks up but this set of pedals can't access the same data.
@@chepilevski Understood. Thank you so much for the update!
Those pedal plates look gorgeous! To be honest in my case it wasnt _quite_ enough to convince me. if it was just slightly cheaper i might have chosen them. Since i am on iracing (so only one motor anyway), dont care for inverted, and lights look kind of silly in my opinion (really annoying on atrax for me), the bells and whistles werent enough for me to pick it over a more traditional set of pedals as i would rather invest that extra money in "better" high end without all the features. Ended up going with vnm because they are essentially a modern take on the HE ultimate+ with incredible build quality for roughly around the same price as these and the sprints, and for a little more come with really nice adjustable dampers.
And who knows, if other companies take notice maybe there will be a standalone pedal feedback-kit one day other than the current DIY ones you can buy.
But even if i dont see the value with all the upgrades i still completely agree, if you are on a slightly tighter budget and especially if the hydraulic kit turns out good, these definetly seem like the best choice over all!
Fair enough brother 🤛
That’s what I’m hoping for , someone must do the haptic stand alone and able to attach to all pedals out there 🍻
Thanks for the in depth review.
I must say I'm a bit surprised. I've been hesitating for a very long time to replace my Thrusmaster T3PA Pro set, and still hesitate. For more than 2 years !
All this time, I've been told that load cell is a must, because of muscle memory.
And you just told us that this specific P1000 brake pedal, which does both load cell and position measurements is best (for you) when using the position setting ?
I'm flabbergasted !
Load cell is great but the problem comes from the elastomers! Some elastomer are better then other but they all have some percentage of loss!
If they use springs to compress the load cell is perfect!
@@chepilevski OK, understood.
We're talking about a small problem perhaps, but enough to push you to chose the position setting. What about the famous muscle memory when using this setting ?
And how comes that you are the first to talk about this problem that seems to exist everywhere there are elastomers ?
I've been watching many many reviews these past years, and I never heard about that.
Anyway, past the surprise, the conclusion is: if there were an option, let's say the P1000+, using the hydrolic + spring + load cell system from the P2000, you would switch back to load cell, right ?
@@pandacongolais how it measures it doesn’t makes difference for the muscle memory as the leg applies the same movement no matter if I use load cell or angle , can see that on the vide my feet operate the same way!
I put my Leah community to test there pedals and every one see that same thing with there elastomer and we can see it clearly on the telemetry!
No one is talking about it as most people think they can’t keep the exact pressure and is problem from there feet but is not and I found that few year ago with one very bad elastomer and then start giving attention! Wen I use spring is perfect wen I go back to elastomer same problem !
It is not the load cell creating the muscle memory but the compression of the spring , hydraulic or elastomer and as long as it has some movement on the pedal, the angle position makes the same thing!
@@chepilevski Ok ok ! Thanks a lot ! I didn't get all the subtleties at the first view ! Understood now !
@@pandacongolais how the subtitles work bay the way ?
I add them this time separately to the CC
I understand it's totally subjective, RBM. But I also think that they are the most "beautiful" pedals I have ever laid eyes on... 8-O
I like them a lot too buddy 😃
Fantastic pedals. Only slightly more than Moza CRP (in south africa) and a pretty good step up.
Indeed, bit more expensive but on completely different level 😯
Have you got the inverted setup? I've been looking at the fanatec v2 or v3 pedals
Great and thorough review! Though I personally prefer the feel on the P2000s, the P1000 with the haptics are indeed one of the best and most versatile pedals out there. Though for the haptics I believe they support ABS, TC & clutch in both AC and AMS2, they work absolutely fine for me on most sims I’ve driven on (AC,ACC,AMS2,rF2,iR) so maybe worth checking the software or settings?
Wow, are the haptics working for you on rF2, AMS2 and AC?
Some one write in the comments they work on AC !
I have to see what’s the problem here if they work for you !
@@chepilevski I wish I had a more in depth answer for you but what I did was literally fired up my SimPro 2, checked if the haptics are on then boot up and play😂 So I don’t really have a idea on what went wrong for you and many others
Perhaps worth checking firmware or the software version out to see if they’re at the latest version, or the haptics interface to see if they are in a correct setting/preset for the game🙂
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
After month I couldn't get used to elastomers and ordered die spring set and it much better for me. You could even combine elastomer with a spring.
Great review as always 👍
I totally agree with you about the inverted pedals, so much better feeling and brake precision.
I don't understand why there isn't more inverted pedals, we ain't driving delivery trucks 😂
Will wait for the hydraulic kit to order them, will be a nice upgrade to my csl elite pedals... 👍
Amazing review... thank you for such thought and detail!
I hope the review of the hydraulic kit is in the making now! I'm really, really curious... :)
I’m waiting to arrive and I’m really excited to see how will that perform
@@chepilevski Please, tell me that your review on the hydraulic kit is very close now!!! I'm fricking impatient... :) In the meantime I watched every review on the P1000 available on YT. I watched yours 3 times at least... :D
Thanks for the review I have been waiting for this one, just to be clear you recommend to use the brake pedal in sensor mode and not the loadcell?
Absolutely yes, on position sensor is rock solid and on load cell is loosing few percent after initial braking!
It is there for all elastomers!
Wow I’m surprised to hear this because the community always says that loadcell pedals are a must, but I trust your opinion because I know you are very knowledgeable
@@offdapace2627I believe this was due to how difficult hall sensors/potentiometer pedal compared to loadcell. All loadcell were heacy and clearly a loadcell was best but a potentiometer/hall sensor pedal was always position based but with tech moving on and getting much better a hall sensor can be as good in this case better than a loadcell.
As for the elastomer drop off I've tested my HE Pro and it does happen on those but I think it's more too do with your leg not being able too stay completely still where with Springs its much easier.
@@offdapace2627 load cell is great , if is compressed with springs it works perfect! Problem comes from the elastomers properties 🤛
I also don't want to ride with standard pedals anymore and can only agree with what they say.
My pedals are installed on a SimLab Invert pedal stand.
Yeh man, different world 😃
Brake springs can be used in the Throttle. Blue one is top :) a bit harder than standard and Simagic is also developing lost of traction feedback for Haptics. Can't wait
yet another great feedback & information to guide us on any updates that we are always considering - I am still using & loving my Imsim pedals which I purchased after your review of them last year. after many hours & tweaking the brake I finally have it set to perfection for me.
Keep up the great work will wait & see what Sim Magic does with the upgrades - love the sound of the ABS triggering through the pedal, is it really that much of a game changer in iRacing??
Imsim are such a great pedals man 💪
The haptic on iRacing for cars with abs is really huge advantage for me!
I found even different cars for the same class need different feet pressure as they activate the ABS In different stage !
Now I can fully understand how much force I need to apply for even different track temperatures and wen tires get fucked in the second stint!
For IRacing is really game changer 😯
@@chepilevski Thanks for the response it is really appreciated - have a great week brother 😎
@@jedijon1228 you too buddy
@@jedijon1228 have a great week buddy 🤛
Geat review as usual. With the angle sensor, does it mean it doesn't use the load cell at all? So it's basically just measuring rotation like the cheap spring-based pedals?
Yes buddy, that just switches to different sensors! Nothing changes in feeling just the position sensor have less resolution but when I say less is still a lot if the pedals moves 2-3 cm
For a long time I have thought about what pedals to upgrade to after using V3s. I ended up going the P1000 just on the quality and the modular system. I am now dreaming of the hydraulic upgrade.
Pedals of the year for sure brother 😃
Do you have the same issue pointed in the video, where when using the load cell the brake will not hold the measurement while you are maintaining the same pressure with the foot?
@@Jose-pq4bc Well, yes everyone does on all load cells. Holding steady constant pressure on anything is hard. Like holding a weight out in front of you with straight arms, your arms are going to drop pretty quick. Also, just the temperature will change how much you can compress the elastomers and how quickly. Cold they are firm. Hot they are soft. Use the angle option and you will definitely be able to hold it to a small number range more consistently over a longer period of time. You are still pushing with your leg so you will eventually wane using either. Angle is just much better.
Love the channel. The passion is real and your humility is appreciated. If I may ask, where did you acquire that lovely button plate for your BMW steering wheel? I’ve been wanted to ask for months lol
Thx for the kind words buddy 🤗
The Button plate is called SSRG competition 300 but is not on prediction for long time unfortunately 😞
Hey, thx for the detailed review! I was waiting since your first teaser…
I currently use the Moza SR-P lite as part of the R5 bundle, but tuned them accordingly your review of those (2 elastomers instead of the spring).
But I‘m still not sure if I buy the P1000i (after this video) or the Simgrade VX pro which use load cells with springs…
Thx again for your efforts for us!
Thanks for the kind words buddy 🤛 hope you got more info to make your decision 🍻
Compatibility of haptic engines with simhub would have been great.
But I understand the necessity on work in proprietary software
That’s true buddy
Hey!
Great videos as always! I am planning to create my own DIY pedal haptic with some exciters. I think they will be similar or the same, however the price - quality is insane!
Please review Simtrecs GT Pro pedals! Thank you!
Thanks for elastomer relaxation discussion. Some steel spring stack should approximate progressive brake feel without that.
Exactly how are haptic motors connected to a PC?. FWIW, iRacing provides no telemetry for tire slip or wheel lock.
Sorting a way to drive those haptic motors from SimHub is the make or break criterion for me.
This may sound odd, but I have the Huesinkveld Ultimate Plus pedals, but I have never felt fully comfortable with the brake feel. I want to try these, but a lot of money.
Seems like the software is still very limited compared to a diy system with some small pedal mounted tactile transducers running simhub.
That’s for sure!
SimHub is on the next level software and is hard to be beaten😁
If you compare just the brake pedal performance difference between spring+hydraulic on P2000 vs. elastomer on P1000, which is better? Thank you!
Got the heusinkveld sprints, planning on attaching transducers but I still like the look of these. Don’t think it’ll be worth the update. I’d prob have to test these first but won’t get that chance
If is upgrade depending only how many of the extra features are important! From feeling point of view it won’t be much different except if the P1000 are inverted 🤛
@@chepilevski I know this is an older video and not sure if you will see this. Like above, I currently have HE Sprints with the old elastomers. I was looking at the P1000 inverted with hydraulic brake and pedal. I currently have NEO HPR haptics I would use. Do you think it’s worth it in regard to feel, smoothness, brake control etc. I have a hard time with the Sprints managing consistent brake pressure and trail braking etc.
Great review. Got my set 2 weeks ago and they are great. Waiting on the motors. I use them standard (not inverted) but can’t select position sensor?
Why you can’t select position sensor?
Do you see it in the software?
I have the same issue. Can select Angle in the software but then it doesn't seem to respond to input.. Load Cell works
Love this channel and your videos! Thank you so much. Liked this P1000 review and i bought inverted version with hydraulic brake and two haptic motors. One question about brake. Does it feel sticky / jumpy when you trail brake? Just cant have one fluid motion where % comes down like 99, 98, 97, 96... its more like 99,95,85,75. Its very hard to be consistent with trail brake because of that
Great video! Did you adjust the throw length of the clutch pedal? I noticed its a lot shorter throw than my Fanatec V3 inverted pedals...
Isn't the angle sensor just position based so you could run without elastomers and at the same pedal angle it will give you that same brake %?. Similar to the Asetek Forte pedals which a lot of people complained about as their one measure more position rather than pressure.
I went ahead and purchased a set, Though I didn't bother with the haptic motors. Which is the only reason these initially got my attention. Might still go down that path if they improve the software (or Simhub come on board). Very nice pedals as standard though, Huge impact on my driving.
Don’t forget to use the position sensor instead of the load cell! It is way more precise!
@@chepilevski Changelog in simhub release from a couple days back makes reference to support for P1000 Motors. Got them up and running in AMS2 with ABS, TC, and wheel lock for cars without ABS. I also tried the wheel slip effect which was great when dropping the clutch and spinning up the rear end, though it was also triggered under braking and mid corner so the end result was too much chatter.
Hi Buddy, great review as usual. Right now I think about upgrading from my Fanatec CSP v3 to either P1000, VX Pro or VNM Lite pedals. These are all great pedals according to various reviews, but I want to consider, which of these pedals would give me the best progressive feeling for trailbraking. Maybe you can give me an advice. Best regards!
Guys, I’m ordering all my gear for my first sim rig. Haven’t decided on the pedals yet. Would like to keep it around $1,200 give or take. Will spend more if it’s a better value. Would appreciate some suggestions. Should I do the ones in this video? Was looking at the Heusinkveld Ultimate+ or the Sprint.
Hey buddy, the budget of 1.2k for pedals is great and I believe with those you can get the full option including the Hydraulic system on both, throttle and brake , those one or two haptics and you are fully covered under your budget and have something absolutely awesome!
Many of my close friends moved from HE to those and are happier 🤛
Comparing them to p2000 which would you choose? Btw great video 😊
Did you watch the video? He answers this question.
The braking force dropping with the same force applied is concerning. I haven't seen this on my Fanatec CSL load cell, but it's a very stiff elastomer.
I'd love to buy these, but not before they fix that issue. There must be a drawback to using the angle sensor instead of the force sensors.
All elastomers have that issue but the hardest have less for sure !
It is always the first thing to check for pedals and choose elastomer set which have the less 🤛
The position sensor works very well and I don’t think will ever have problem as those are magnetic sensors used in automotive industry.
The problem can be fixed however immediately if they bring set of springs for the brake ! Hope they do
@@chepilevskidid you get to keep your times consistent even though using the linear sensor?
I see they have SIMAGIC P2000-HCB Haptic Control Box+Bracket I am guessing for p2000 to have those motors work but what i wonder about the most if this would make it essentially work for any pedal set if you figure out how to attach them it seems to have 1 power port 3 output ports to shakers and 1 usb input port that is not used in their pictures and pedals connected with some other inputs on backend.
I will start testing today and report buddy!
As you’ve said, that can be big news if the can work as separate units 💪
@@chepilevski nice! so you already have that box? hopefully it can just work trough simhub with that usb connection without having to attach p2000 pedals.
@@Eskoxo that’s the first thing I will test today buddy! I hope it will
@@Eskoxo tested today and works buddy 😁
This will be huge for everyone out there who want to upgrade there pedals with proper feedback 😃
@@chepilevski very nice! i guess only thing we need is someone good with 3d printer stuff to eventually make something that attaches ( I personally have fanatec v3) or im sure i could figure something out, would have to see it in hand.
Are you using logarithmic curve for the brake pedal when using Hall Sensor to account for non-linearity of pedal angle vs. increasing stiffness of the elastomers?
Great video, but now I'm more confused than ever. Was going to go for the fanatec clubsport v2 pedals, but no having seen this I'm thinking to for out an additional 6k ( I'm in south africa) to get these..
What do you mean by 6k buddy?
Is the compression issue anything to worry about, or more serious than other products? I am torn between the Moza crp because these are the only brands available in my country, as shipping is really expensive. I am hoping to make this my final upgrade for a long time as these pedals seem good enough for me.
No at all!
All elastomer based pedestals I ever tested and all HE pedals my friends are working like this ! Just here we can avoid that with angle sensor !
@@chepilevski Thanks very much for the response and your reviews! You just helped me decide what I will be getting!
These are on a total level above CRP my friend . There are so many features these have that the CRP doesn't, there's absolutely no comparison at all.
Thank you for your useful review 😎
Did you just debunk load cell pedals in this video..
Good vid! What kind of socks are those at 12 mins?
Thx buddy 🤗
Those are from Cube Controls 🤛
Great review, really enjoyed it! May is ask you what elastomer combination your are driving?
I haven’t changed it at all buddy! The set they had in was just great for me !
At some point I can test different settings but I doubt I want to go softer or harder then that 🤛
@@chepilevskiso you are using the grey rubbers that come by default on the brakes? If so, could you confirm if replacing them by the elastomers (blue and red ones) help improving the measurement of brake pressure when using the load cell sensor?
Great Video Stelian, as always!
I think I will go this direction.
Do i get any shaking throttle feedback in iRacing? Maybe with Simhub, or so? Like wheel spin and so. And is the shaking strenght adjsutable?
Do I ned the extra powersupply cable for every shaker? so 3 cabels?
Many questions^^
Hey buddy, it is one power supply for 3 shakers! There are effects for the throttle which can be used in iRacing but I found myself using only the ABS !
My suggestion is to go for one motor for beginning and test all the effects and see if will worth for you adding more! It will be easy if you like it to take just another one later !
@@chepilevski Ok thanks a lot for the reply!!
cheers
Damn.... Il soooooo close to buy thé p1000 hydraulic pedal set..... but not sure if it is Big step enough compare to my meca cup1 which is very similar to a heusinkveld....
😅
Hard times those days with so many great choices out there
@@chepilevski too late for me..... already have m'y UPS tracking number 😅
@@Nels_On well, you got your decision and that’s what matters bro 😁
so whats the point of having a load cell if we are relying on angle sensor now? did we just came full circle? i remember when load cell was the only way to be competitive.
Can you list your most recent daily rig? Pedals, wheel base, H/sequential shifter and handbrake? Thanks
Hey there. Good review, like it. Might be an upgrade opportunity for my K2X Pedals. Btw. maybe you could try to make your rig more immersive with for example Hue Play Light bars. I used it once, but dismounted it because it was only one light bar and I "just" have a single screen. Maybe you could give it a try, it was pretty impressive for me
Thx buddy 🤛
I have 4 hue bars but I’m not happy they replicate colors instead of brightness with fixed temperature.
Why do you try attaching transducers to you pedals
@@chepilevski Ah okay, so you already tried it. Good to know 👍. But in order to get the working properly, you need the hue sync app, which should run in the sync mode the whole time if you're driving, and it should work with the light dimming. It worked for me if I drove for example on Monza in the morning and went from dark into sunshine. Was actually impressed
@@lorenz7550 it is dimming but still picking up colors !
They improve the software and we suggested to them to make it possible pick up specific color temperature!
Let’s see how far will they go 😃
@@chepilevski Yeah, hope, it's gotta be realistic. As I said, I was pretty dang impressed, when I went from dark into sunrise on a track and it did light up completely. Would be really cool being able to make the light as realistic as in the real world. Btw. sold my Csl Dd to a friend and made the switch to a R5 at first. Love the change and the qr. Way better for Moza
hi there, great video. sorry if I missed but are these normal or hydraulic ones, I'm trying to find out what's the difference ? I'm trying to choose between the two for my build
Thanks for the review! Would you suggest getting motors for oval racing where you have to be precise with throttle/break? Because judging from the video, I feel that unless it's about ABS, there is not much sense in them
I don’t think ovals cars use TC or ABS
And those motors won’t do anything for those cars buddy!
@@chepilevski appreciate! :)
have you found the pedal angle itself, not the pedal plate, is it too steep and make it hard to push the throttle fully?