Ancient Village Sites - El Paso Mountains - Califronia
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2018
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Trek with me to the El Paso mountains, Kern County, California, and visit several ancients sites containing symbols and signs of early man.
Alex, one of your videos is as educational as many days in the field, but it also serves as a big incentive to get out in the field. Please continue this quality series.
What a great civilization !!!
At the year 1700's , 1800's , still living in that advance culture !!!
Amazing !!!
I agree. It is alleged by, Ishi,"last of his kind"that one thousand years, ago, in California, a bloody 33 year war raged in the times of feudalism. The tribes populations were decimated and they struck upon a truce. A civil compact.from that time until the arrival of the Europeans no one need to carry a weapon or expect attack they lived in peace and harmony.
Thank you for sharing these wonderful open air classes!
Skye, thanks for watching............................................alex
Very informative. I’ll be keeping my eyes open when I go exploring. I’m sure I’ve passed over many of these sites. Fascinating subject and you do a great job of explaining. Thanks.
Kali, thanks for watching - is was a fun journey........alex
Thanks for keeping it real and not marketing some ancient aliens crap. This is some really nice stuff you've discovered.
Wyatt, thanks for watching the series and your comments........................alex
The petrogliph is clearly a tortoise, thankyou for sharing
Not really is a nopal, with a flower budding,
I thought it resembled a tortoise as well 🤔.
Or a coiled rattlesnake
Magnificent site Alex. Thank you for sharing such a wonderful history site.
Artifact Preserver, thanks for watching and your kind words............alex
Thank you for these videos. We are rapidly losing the knowledge of our ancestors here.
@Raylan Atticus fuckoff bot
Thank you for doing some research. Much appreciated from this immigrant from the UK,
I LOVE all your programs and video's Alex, but for some reason, this one IS A FAVORITE ! Thank you
Thanks for watching and your kind words...........................alex
This is my favorite out of all ur videos! I love the small trail that is still visible to us today.
This vid teaches more than school and is more entertaining than school
Time Stamp 8:28 - that sure looks like a desert tortoise . We lived at Edwards AFB in the 60's and we had one as a pet named Freida.
I can see that interpretation.
I had one named Speedy in our front and side yard, enclosed by low block wall, in Fontana when I was a young teenager. Hitchhiked down from Fort Ord and walked by the same place in 1971 and the new owners had added at least four (more could have been out of sight in burrows).
Now, Google Earth reveals the whole neighborhood is composed of industrial offices, trucking and construction company yards and the like. North of Foothill Blvd. (old Route 66), where Dad and I once found fresh cougar tracks in the dust beside his pickup truck when we returned from a short afternoon rabbit hunt of no more than two hours duration, is all now elbow-to-elbow apartment complexes.
Your videos are a constant reminder of just how many people lived in California in prehistoric times. Even in areas where it seems it would be hard to live at all. Thanks for sharing another amazing site.
Jane, thanks for watching. The El Paso mountains are fascinating. Looks like an empty desert, but there are signs of ancient life in many places..........alex
Fascinating stuff leading to an appreciation of ancient peoples, doing a lot with a little to help them.
I always wondered if the glyphs were artistic expression or a way to document the times.
Funny how all of our ancestors knew the only way to preserve history was to use stone.
Very informative. I no longer can do the walking, but some of the desert areas I've journeyed thru in CA and northern NV I've missed tons. Great narration Alex.
You were so captivated you didn’t even notice when that rattler bit you.
Love your work. Hope you make some more videos like this. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for another great video. Growing up in Walnut Creek before the creek turned into a canal makes me wonder how many village sites got bulldozed over in the valley right here? There used to be a couple in my neighborhood. In my backyard was the notary over five stories tall.It was hollowed out and you could walk inside of it
Oaktree five stories tall
Karl, thanks for watching. There have been many ancient sites in the Bay area and further out that have been bulldozed away. I remember while I was traveling in Italy I entered the depths of a church and saw that the church was built over a Roman temple and that the Roma temple was built over the ruins of a Pre-Roman pagan temple. Civilizations over civilization - continues to this day.........alex
Really glad your channel popped up. The petroglyphs with the two pronghorns and the mountain lion. What do you feel the figure behind the top pronghorn represents?
Very difficult to assert particular meanings on this artistic creations when we are judging it from our twentyth century framework. Could be, might likely be fillinf in a blank slate and akin to simply whittling the day away as we do now.
Thank you for making and sharing this videos of the Mojave desert area. God bless
You are the best! I'm glad to see you have a hiking buddy.
Jose Luis, thanks for watching and the kind words. Many of my treks have been solitary in nature, but there is a small core of fellow trekkers who share the same enthusiasm as I do. And its always fun to share the joy of discovery.......alex
Always enjoy your journeys, keep following those trails!
Greatbasinman, good to hear from you - thanks for watching. The journey continues.......alex
I always enjoy watching your videos Alex and learning new ways to assess the environment for clues that can be stitched together to form a story of the past. Bravo!~
Great to hear from you. Hopefully, one day when the sun, moon, and stars are aligned we can trek together........alex
I absolutely LOVE these videos!!!!
Wow .. good one Alex! You definitely have an eye for detail.
Hairao, thanks for watching - it was an exciting journey.....alex
I found this area a few years ago and found one of the village sites and petroglyphs. Awesome videos of this area.
Truly amazing!
Alex excellent video, I have been in this area and found the petroglyphs and slicks. Interesting location and you gave a clear and detailed account of the village and how it all connects.Extremely well done and fascinating material. Tks
On the bright side, the location is perfect for a thorough and dedicated researcher to get their work noticed by the world.
Loving your work. I'm heading to California for a week, excited to explore. One of my favorite things to do is find Ancient Ruins here in Arizona.
That rock with Petroglyphs is a point where someone once sat and mapped out who was where and what ties they had. That person could sit and tell others where tribe members and families resided and who had what space. They could also see far and have early notice of visitors or intruders. A lookout and command point.
Found similar groupings in Tucson both Archaic and Gila/Hohokam era. Awesome video. If you are ever in Tucson i'll take you on a hike.
I really enjoy your very informative videos. In Ireland we call such grinding stones 'Quern stones'. I love the petroglyphs too.
George, thanks for watching and your kind words..............................alex
What an amazing place to explore.
Thanks for watching - it was a fun journey.......alex
Wonderful.
What a valuable resource your channel is; thank you. Your choice of the dark blue stones and beads you wear is the color of the Pleiadians. I subbed and look forward to reviewing your work.
So so great you found them ,thanks for sharing! Wish there was a way to know what they mean! Maybe someday it will be known! Great job to you! 👍🏽
Great video. And awesome channel. Thanks for sharing.
I had a wikiup made of redwood branches near Big Basin. We camped on it for years and years. My nephew found a grinding stone just a week ago in Soquel creek
Thanks.4 sharing
Great episode!
This is the most fantastic channel 👍
In Australia the figures with internal structures are called xray figures. Sometimes they are maps of tribal territory.
In the Pilbara At Burrup peninsula near Dampier there are vast amounts of pictoglyphs. Tens of thousands of years old. I walked regularly amongst them in desert country on my day off while working there in the 1980s. Some were totem trails . Some were increase centres. Where the forces of nature were propitiated to give abundance of rain, game and plant food. I found grinding stones, shell water carriers, middens and small ceremonial circles. The earth magic there is very raw and intense. Treat with the greatest of respect. Not like some mining companies who destroy these sites. Its where humans as individual beings connect to the unitive conciousness.
Sounds like a magical place that one is greatly honored to visit, but only in a humble, respectful way. To see the evidence of the ancients who lived there must be quite the experience. I have seen old, but not ancient, totem poles, where I live. The natives where I grew up built in wood, since it was just north of the Hoh Rainforest on the coastal side of Washington State in the USA, and the ancient trees grew 100 meters tall and were 4-5 m in diameter. It makes one feel tiny, like a miniature person, to walk between those massive giants. Clusters of ferns as tall as a man grow sporadically in the forest, but not much else grows in the dark, underneath the forest canopy. The ground is sponge-like and sometimes it's just a layer of dead conifer needles over decayed fallen limbs many meters above any actual solid ground. It's a temperate rainforest, which means you get wet and cold at the same time. Annual rainfall is over 3.5 meters. Just the opposite of the desert you described, which would be like a dream place, an exotic, hot, dry, beautiful place to visit. You are fortunate.
@@alanhyt79 In cold damp forest wear wool flannel. I have worked in the forests in Wales. I fell asleep.Do not be jealous of hot dry places.
I see you embrace the woods...The Pilbara is rock....gullies of white gums....spinifex spiky grass...its colours are intense.
You can access a unitive experience in places. There are guardians roaming about. I saw some after i fell asleep on a pile of rock. Before i fell asleep a magpie called . Our world is iincredible...but i miss the oak woods and bluebells, ancient fields and earth forts. But its all one world.
@@alanhyt79 I visited sacred circles in Britain. Marvellous sites. for me its where you can connect to the essence of creation .
Great information. Thank you.
Jimmy
Jimmy, thanks for watching - it was a fun trek..........alex
storiesbyalex Alex, Here in the jungles of vermont we have Serpent walls. Stone circles have center stones with petroglyphs. I can't read them and vermont doesn't care. Your videos help. Thanks
Jimmy
Not a foundation ! They just moved the rocks to the outside ( To bed down) ! The wick yup needed no foundation ! The rocks could maybe give a heat and cool for tempreture regulation !
I feel like I'm on a treasure hunt with you, it's thrilling! Thank you for your wonderful videos :-)
Wendy, thanks for watching the series. Often times you are seeing what I am seeing at the same moment. The treks are a lot of fun and exciting.....................alex
Awesome video. Very much enjoyed your narrative.
KO, thanks for watching and your kind words........alex
KO, thanks for watching. It was a fun journey......alex
Fantastic
About 20 years ago, I was in the Antelope Valley after a storm. The water had washed away a large rock which was protruding about 1 foot out of the ground. There were holes that appeared to be hollowed out on the large rock about 5 inches deep and about 4 inches in diameter. They were pointed concaves and they were spaced about 2 feet apart from one another. The area looked like an old riverbed. I wondered if the holes were used for grinding. I never recorded the coordinate and have been unable to find the place. Maybe a new rain reburied it. Additional: I just heard use the word "Mortar" . That's exactly what they were.
May have been used for seed grasses? Seed flour would've help sustain native people!
You are very interesting thankyou
Good documentation, Alex!
Alfred, thanks for watching....................alex
Wow Alex absolutely fascinating that trail still exists as if the ancients had been using it last week truly is remarkable how it all still exists a love it. Take care Liam 😉, a always look forward to your next adventure..... Thanks again mate.
Liam, its fascinating to go out to these sites and find things laying around and untouched for many years. When I explore in the Arizona deserts I often find old trails that are very ancient. Once while trekking in Mexico I found a very old trail that was worn down several feet into the ground - now that is old!!. This is a link to one of my treks into Mexico where I met a Peyote Worshiper - ua-cam.com/video/8n0u5nKnpnA/v-deo.html .......alex
storiesbyalex thank you so much Alex for the link a can't stop watching your videos lol amazing work my friend. Take care Liam 😉
I think the symbols are usually path markers, like direction signs, showing routs to take. I have seen them on cliffs showing the way up the cliff to reach a cave.
Well... that was great...those two pieces of Mano early on in the vid had to fit together... ... Winter finally got here ..cold and snowy for the first time all year... I did find a large stone with cupuole in it and the other kind I forgot what ya call it when they were trying to peck another chunk off the big stone??? Several large mortars in the area also..
Tuledude, the area was littered with manos and metates. Some of them were portable - it was an awesome site. I think the type you mention is called a Pecked Curvalinear Nucleated petroglyph. Wow, I don't know how I can even remember all that!.......alex
Yeah, the PCNP'S lol. I knew I'd seen one before.. relocated it last month
I love wilderness areas
I've spent a lot of time out there in still haven't even scratched the surface I've never noticed those rings before I'll keep my eyes out. I wonder how old these date back.
Great finds thanks for sharing! Wander what tribe lived there!are the circles on the stones a map showing wikiups!
Are the circles and lines indicating the amount of people or families?
At 6:09 is that another larger area for a house?
do you think the land was cover in tree and growth?
California, Califronia, Calosfrios? Just joking...This is an awesome and interesting video. So glad I discovered a fascinating area of history to explore.
I would like to know where to get the music playing at the end--Is that a CD one can buy?
Interesting! What is the approx age of those tools? How long ago did people live there
Is the Orestimba location the closest you know of to Stockton Ca‽ I used to live right there in Patterson but live in Stockton now, would love to go see some of this for myself, might do Mt Diablo
Hello G, Orestimba is located off of Interstate 5 near the town of Newman...........alex
very awesome would this be the Kitanemuk, or Yokuts,or piru indigenous people of the area
If this site wasn't recorded before I hope you cataloged it with the State Archaeological Survey. It looks to be in remarkably good shape, like it might have been used in fairly recent times. When did the water source disappear?
I worked with Big South Fort as Teenanger in Youth Conservation. Was best job I ever had. Our mark was the turtle building trails . Daniel Boone Forrest too had turtle mark . Goes back to my Ancient Covenant people.
Do you notice the petroglyphs are aimed in any particular direction on the pathways? To make them noticeable? Or do you have to look for them? I wonder how common it was for them to spot the glyphs back then
Hello G, thanks for watching the series. I did not notice that they were pointed in any specific direction. Some boulders had petroglyphs on opposite sides of the boulder. Or, all the way around..........alex
@~25:15, the petroglyph is two humanoid figures.
Rotate your perspective 90 degrees clockwise..
I'd wager they were intended to be portrayed as lying down.
Also, I believe your "mountain lion" is a scorpion. The tail is obvious, and the claws (on the other end) were immediately so to me as well. I didn't go back to review, but IIRC, that made the 6 legs add up as well.
Great vids - thanks for sharing!
That first petroglygh looks like a subdivision plat map.
Can you tell me the name of the song @5:13? I would like to know more about that song.
I'm amazed you didn't find any lithic's in that area ! Speaking of which,,if present there what material are the points generally made of? I'd presume obsidian sense it's a volcanic region and the tools are likely a ryolite or basalt possibly?
Here in VT I've done salvage archaeology on disturbed sites for well >50 years and professionally for a few. I have an extensive collection and I've donated literally thousands of artifacts to the Lake Champlain Maritine Museum while retaiing the mesuem quality ones for myself till my passing. After that there going to the museum as well. All were site marked, recorded, and most sites GPS'd and are being classified and studied right now by the muesum staff. My site maps and records have already turned up 3 unrecorded sites so far ,,very cool IMO !
My 3 oldest lithics are , a fire tempered Medowcroft and 2 bifricates, very old and all very rare in this area , how they survived the ice age I just don't have a clue ??
I also have a interesting Jacks Reef point that's very unusual for this area, as well as several Paleo era items, but then the Champlain Valley/inland sea has been a major travel and trade route for literally thousands of years. But finding pre ice age lithics out in the middle of a corn piece just blows my mind to this day.
I find pre history facinating ,even after 50+ years of study and collecting.
17:23 hey you missed the man inbetween the mountan lion and sheep. Maybe a shield or round thing in hand also!
That first little one may have been a closet given it's small size. Also why would they prefer to use such tiny stones whit the abundance of larger more sturdy stones all around? Hmmm interesting.
You do return every stone to the place it occupied before you lifted it, do you not?
Please freeze at the 27 : 40 time stamp and examine. Could that glyph be depicting a large ship with horned animal at the ship's head and the large bubbles signifying the sinking of that ship? We need to look at all the possibilities. : )
Just wondering where is Califronia
Hey there Alex and Dave, it was so cool to meet you that day what a surprise as you drove passed me I said well I'm not going to be alone today, then you pulled in to where I have my camp and I laughed knowing who you are I said to my self I got to go say hi. we took picks and I went on down the road to let you do your thing as I was doing the same. take good care and say hello to Dave for me! Pa
Greetings, I remember that day well. Always nice to meet a fellow traveler doing the same. Dave and I were actually both surprised that you recognized me as we don't usually meet people along the path less traveled. Anyways, thanks for watching and keep on trekking. The journey continues.......alex
Well come on now your a U-Tub super star! Hope to come across you both again maybe plan a trip sometime! Thanks again...
Is there a preferred direction that the entrance will point on a wikiup?
Eastward. The rising sun was the preferred direction.
So Alex, I guess you show us the grinding motion with the mano in your left hand because you have the camera in your right hand? It seems many or most Native Americans were/are right handed because the smooth side of the mano has to be down and the knock-out-notch would fit a right hand thumb.
I suggest you read "The Rocks Begin to speak" by Martineau. Then look up Dr. Carole Pattersons work on art (writing), and her work with the chiefs of the Ute tribe. Here latest sows a map, and its use.
manos were very often used on both sides.
I really wanted to send this as a private message; but I cannot figure out how to do that. "Community" on one's channel no longer seems to perform in the manner that I am familiar with.
Some time ago, I stumbled upon an old map, considerably older than a century, that depicts within the present Anza-Borrega a site labeled "Old Santa Rosa." It was an Indian village, already abandoned, that has nothing to do with the present Santa Rosa in San Luis Obispo County.
Are you familiar with the site and its history?
Would you be interested in collaborating on an exploration to locate and, hopefully, document the site?
Hello Alex . Another splendid video from you is greatly appreciated. I really do hope you see this comment. Could we possibly speculate that those petroglyphs that looked pointless are maps of the encampment or other possible settlements, trade areas, maybe circles represent some type of a kiva or religious dwelling?
Sam, thanks for watching. All we can do is speculate as there is no known explanation for these symbols. People who believe in the "Electric Universe" believe these are images interpreted from electrical discharges in the atmosphere. So, there are a variety of guesses and yours is as good as any. However, for those who believe they are some sort of map they must take this belief one step further and actually identity what is actually mapped out. I have seen this on several occasions. ...............alex
The Netherlands here. So fascinating to see the petroglyphs and to imagine how life was like over there, back in the days. I wonder, are there still first nation people left who can tell us what the symbols mean?
Yvette, thanks for watching and your comments. The El Paso Mountain Wilderness area was known to be inhabited by the Kawaiisu people, as well as other cultural groups who pre-dated the arrival of the Kawaiisu. My observation is that in many cases the meaning of ancient symbols have been lost in time. Prior to the arrival of Europeans in California the history, way of life, and meaning of symbols by first nation people was passed down through an oral tradition. However, upon the arrival of settlers into the area first nation people were disenfranchised and suffered what could be best described as cultural shock resulting in the loss of their way of life. The following link provides information regarding the Kawaiisu people: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaiisu ...........alex
anyway, great video!!
good eye
Am curious, are the petrogliphs colored in or chiseled in?
Walt, petroglyphs are created by removing part of a rock surface by incising, picking/pecking, carving, o r abrading. At this site most were pecked in......................alex
21:20 perhaps a map of the 3 villages you found
Long whiskers on the Mountain Lion :-)
Wes, thanks for watching and your observation. I thought perhaps the cat petroglyph indicated it had caught some prey. But, whisker are a possibility. Apparently, tight clusters of nerve endings at the base of each whisker, in the basal layer of the epidermis, can detect changes to air flow in the animal’s surroundings, indicating nearby objects and, perhaps most importantly, prey. A mountain lion's whiskers are so sensitive, they don’t need to make physical contact with an object to sense it.................alex
Circles and lines are like a map to villages?
Wes, these circles and lines are common with Desert Archaic petroglyphs. Unfortunately, their true meaning seems to have been lost in time..........alex
The rock with the pics on both sides you say one side is older than the other could be from one side gets more weather.The trail looks like a game trail to narrow for a human trail. The cutting stone would be chipped up if used against the slick stone and the slick stone would be chipped too Still interesting.
The web of life? Web of universe? Interesting. Thanx.
at 4:20 you put back a grinding stone in a different location than you found it. Lets clean that up
Martin, thanks for watching and your observation. I'll go back out there after the California shelter in place order is lifted..............................alex
What happened to them...
Wouldn't they use obsidian to cut meat ?
they were procesing metals here, probably copper, bronze
Real nice Alex I'm glad your out and exploring do you have a website or email......
Davis, thanks for watching. Yes, my web site is storiesbyalex.com and my email ia alex@storiesbyalex.com. My web site contains my first book which is titled, Finding Lost Civilizations. There is a link to the book which opens as a PDF document, which can be read online or downloaded for free. There are many photographs in the book and begins with a story of how all this started........alex
Thanks Alex