There is no question to be asked in this referendum. We (I say we, I mean the entire world here) don't exactly have any choice here. Essentially we cannot continue with fossil fuels, it's a finite fuel that puts us at the mercy of third party nations. It will eventually run out and become more expensive as it becomes less and less available. 2nd to this is the effects of global warming. If we don't move to Renewable or Nuclear power then the effects on global warming will be severe. There's no question to be had on this unfortunately.
@@Alex-ni2ir Please provide incontrovertible evidence that we're heading for severe global warming. Evidence already exists that renewables are not working, the proof is in the admission, that they cannot provide reliable base power, and therefore require more complex and costly additional 'solutions'. Oil, should be reserved for producing the none combustible products i.e. pharmaceuticals, fertilizers etc. Why should we sit on valuable fuels such as coal and gas? We might as well use them, as we head towards, a nuclear future (which should be thorium based and molten salt reactors). As for BEVs, lithium, is a limited resource (worse than oil) and is also a massive pollutant.
The UK produces 0.9% and falling of CO2 emissions worldwide, China 33% and rising, whatever we do makes no difference because if we just gave up all energy usage and went back to the stone age China alone would replace our savings within a year or so. Don't even mention Indonesia and India who are going to to see the same rapid industrialisation as China in the coming decades.
Most sensible people know this statistic,it’s the nutters in charge that will not listen or accept the facts ,all they see is money money money it’s just a scam to steal our money
A few figures: The Earth is 5 000 000 000 years old, temperature has been measured with a thermometer for 200 years, with satellites for 40 years. The bottom line is that we don't know whether the weather variations of the last century follows an existing patern or not
Ex Geophysics student here. We do know that climate change is eternal due to many bits of evidence, tree rings, carbon dating, many isotopes, silt and glacial ice core samples etc. Climate has always gone up and down extremely. We have no possibility of stopping it. No matter what.
Global warming mysteriously paused at about 1°C in 1992. In 2022 officially global warming was at 1.06°C. The cause of global warming is not known in 2024. It's scientifically impossible for global warming to be from greenhouse gas behavior. Earth's greenhouse effect is always in saturation from water vapor normally absorbing all the greenhouse radiant energy within a few meters of the radiating surface to a maximum of within 20 meters.
More practical. Never need to buy petrol ever again. Wake up in the morning with a full tank. Through life costts already lower than ICE and purchase prices will very soon be lower. All that is needed is a massive roll out of convenient affordable charging for those who are not fortunate to have off road parking.
Please explain? I don't understand how 'clean energy is cheaper'. If so why have China just built 43 coal fired power stations which feed the factories that make the solar panels and lithium batteries they supply to us in the UK.
One question Ive never seen an answer to is, "what exactly would the revenue generated by the ZEV mandate fines be spent on, and how would this revenue have a direct impact on the UK carbon emissions?" As a country we generate 1% of global emissions , no matter what we do is going to have any impact what so ever, so what exactly is the real reason for the push towards vehicle electrification? could it be control ?
These sales targets seem needlessly complicated. If the government wants to encourage EVs, why not just decrease VAT on EVs, and increase it on petrol vehicles?
Worth it to who? It's worth it to those who don't have to worry about having a job. But if no one has a job we can all worship Klaus for our allowance. That's worth it for him and his minions.
@@Alex-ni2ir True, but not an insurmountable challenge. It seems that something like this will be needed, at least on an interim basis. It will also reduce pollution in urban areas.
Plug-in hybrids are probably the most practical drivetrain for most people. It seems like the government is trying to jump straight to EVs without a reasonable transition via mild hybrids, "self-charging" hybrids, and then plug-in hybrids.
Probably a few reasons. They still use fossil fuels, much more complex machines with more points of failure, most UK journeys are way less than the typical max range of a full EV.
@@Alex-ni2ir Most journeys are well within the range of an EV. But the problem is most people’s driving habits consist of many short journeys, and then the occasional long journey. People don’t want to have to hire a different car whenever they want to make a long journey. Plus the charging infrastructure is still woefully inadequate.
Research, indicates that hybrids are not quite as good as touted. The problem, is on short stop start journeys, the engine never gets up to optimum operating temperature, which results in excessive wear. And as for a hybrid, on long distance, the battery wouldn't get used.
@ I think that’s probably less of a problem with newer plug-in hybrids, where the engine is mainly only used on longer journeys. I think it also depends whether your main concern is greenhouse emissions, or air-quality in urban areas.
IPCC, confirms in their Assessment Report, that floods, hurricanes, fires etc. have not increased, and that there is no man-made signature to cause them. But then, the politicians who wrote the IPCC Summary for Policymakers, claimed otherwise and contradicted the scientists.
Alarmists tell me climate change has made terrible weather happen, all stemming from fossil fuel consumption. So presumably if CO2 levels were in their acceptable range (some make belief number less than 400) there would not be any bad weather. Now we can look at the the Great storm of 1703, lets see CO2? Anything bigger in the UK ever since?
@@rjones6219 Absolutely, and there are so many more examples. The sheer ego of the alarmists is amazing to think they can for examples change the Earth's angle of rotation and control the weather is overwhelmingly delusional from playing around with the small amount of CO2 in the air.
I would think it will have a hell of a knock on effect,across the board in every industry,maybe the government does not want industrial production,or manufacturing done here,to reduce the need for power hence to help with NET 0,But we all know it will fail badly,as the only jobs available will be in retail.Not a good move going down this road,when their is many other alternatives.
It's this guy was talking 12 years ago it was more relevant about EVs but now at the end of 2024 it is absolute lies! Who gave him the right to talk on our behalf!!
I just want to drive home park the car lock it up and go indoors for the evening, not spend half an hour sodding around in the pooring rain connecting the car up to the grid to charge it.
"Is net zero worth losing jobs over?" Well yes, it is from China's point of view. So Miliband is doing an excellent job for the CCP. I imagine it will eventually emerge that Ed has been a long term sleeper agent. But, by then he will have legged it to his luxury penthouse in Shenzhen.
It is also worh it from your grandchildren's point of view. They migtht just have lives worth living if we get to net zero, otherwise 4 deg temperature rise will be apocalyptic.
@@rogerphelps9939 It will be fine. They were teaching us about global warming in the 1980's. Some were certain the world would end by 2020, I bet £1M it would be still fine. Now those I bet with don't want to show themselves (I am at least honorable and can give each their due but those who owe me are cowards like the hypocritical green brigade). The world has been warmer and colder. Net zero is a massive political con to extract as much tax from each person.
@@rogerphelps9939 It will be fine. They were teaching us about global warming in the 1980's. Some were certain the world would end by 2020, I bet £1M it would be still fine. Now those I bet with don't want to show themselves (I am at least honorable and can give each their due but those who owe me are cowards like the hypocritical green brigade). The world has been warmer and colder. Net zero is a massive political con to extract as much tax from each person.
come on sir, while we understand if your terrace house does not have off road parking, and understand the lady having a petrol mini. BUT many people do want them, but YES they are expensive.
& yet in Singapore, they restricted car ownership to improve the performance of public transport. boris dream of "singapore on thames" but without any of the positive effect polices implemented in singapore.
We are undoubtedly living in fascinating times. A legally binding Net Zero target is a bold and ambitious move-one that could ultimately position a country as either a trailblazing hero or a cautionary tale. While I sincerely hope and pray for everyone's well-being regardless of the outcome, I can't deny that witnessing this unfold feels like a moment made for popcorn. And I had a Vauxhall Astra, it was a terrible car. Truly depressing motoring.
We won't be making vehicles we will just import them from China. £15K fine for each vehicle. We will just be driving second hand as an alternative and not replacing our cars.
"The World is heating". Duh! The question is whether CO2 has any part to play in it. There is a theory, represented by models - nothing much else. "Storms are getting worse". Duh! Compared to what? Bat weather always happens. Just show me the physics which tells us CO2 is the cause of mad bad weather.
I was here ten million years ago and weather fluctuations have always happened……pumping billions of tonnes of chemicals into the atmosphere 24/7 is not relevant. Do I get my $ Pay check$ now boss?
I keep hearing about climate crisis and more that or that weather. Can someone show me their numbers for this. Not just copied from some report made up of computer modelling, their own data and findings. I can then compare and contrast and reach my own conclusions. All of what is predicted has failed for the past 50 years. Now thats consistent
whats your point? florida is a lot warmer than the uk, they eat dogs in china, its illegal to feed pigeons in venice, what happens in norway is irrelevant to the UK.
What's difficult to understand? Cow farting/belching = Methane. UV light from reflected sunrays hits the Methane molecules and vibrates them/heats them up. It's 30x more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Animal husbandry is not a natural thing, cows are not accustomed to being bred in such quantities and exist purely because of the the dietary demands of the west.
Hydrogen is more likely to replace ICE cars. They are plenty of unused charging points around where I live so it’s not just charging infrastructure that’s putting people off buying EV’s.
Complains that the public don't believe in electric cars then proceeds to trash electric cars. States "many many people have gone back to ICE cars" when in fact 93% of BEV car owners would not go back to ICE cars. In the meantime car manufactures don't want to move to electric and quite happy to produce ICE cars. In the meantime the Chinese have already done it.
We aren’t seeing “increased incidents of very very destructive weather”. We’ve always had floods.
It’s true
Its called weather the Earth has suffered this since year one stop lieing to sell your intrests both financial and moral
And there was I, thinking we had been told Net Zero would CREATE jobs. Another empty promise.
the UK stopped making cars in the 1970s. JLR are now an indian company. RR & Bentley are also german owned.
Come on, a petition for a proper debate on this green energy is needed or a referendum.
There is no question to be asked in this referendum. We (I say we, I mean the entire world here) don't exactly have any choice here. Essentially we cannot continue with fossil fuels, it's a finite fuel that puts us at the mercy of third party nations. It will eventually run out and become more expensive as it becomes less and less available.
2nd to this is the effects of global warming. If we don't move to Renewable or Nuclear power then the effects on global warming will be severe. There's no question to be had on this unfortunately.
@@Alex-ni2ir Please provide incontrovertible evidence that we're heading for severe global warming. Evidence already exists that renewables are not working, the proof is in the admission, that they cannot provide reliable base power, and therefore require more complex and costly additional 'solutions'. Oil, should be reserved for producing the none combustible products i.e. pharmaceuticals, fertilizers etc. Why should we sit on valuable fuels such as coal and gas? We might as well use them, as we head towards, a nuclear future (which should be thorium based and molten salt reactors). As for BEVs, lithium, is a limited resource (worse than oil) and is also a massive pollutant.
The UK produces 0.9% and falling of CO2 emissions worldwide, China 33% and rising, whatever we do makes no difference because if we just gave up all energy usage and went back to the stone age China alone would replace our savings within a year or so. Don't even mention Indonesia and India who are going to to see the same rapid industrialisation as China in the coming decades.
Most sensible people know this statistic,it’s the nutters in charge that will not listen or accept the facts ,all they see is money money money it’s just a scam to steal our money
There's only 1 job loss required - Mental Miliband
theyll just replace him with another chicken sandwich choking idiot.
100% agree Miliband is a danger to the UK
A few figures:
The Earth is 5 000 000 000 years old, temperature has been measured with a thermometer for 200 years, with satellites for 40 years.
The bottom line is that we don't know whether the weather variations of the last century follows an existing patern or not
Ex Geophysics student here. We do know that climate change is eternal due to many bits of evidence, tree rings, carbon dating, many isotopes, silt and glacial ice core samples etc.
Climate has always gone up and down extremely.
We have no possibility of stopping it. No matter what.
Global warming mysteriously paused at about 1°C in 1992. In 2022 officially global warming was at 1.06°C. The cause of global warming is not known in 2024. It's scientifically impossible for global warming to be from greenhouse gas behavior. Earth's greenhouse effect is always in saturation from water vapor normally absorbing all the greenhouse radiant energy within a few meters of the radiating surface to a maximum of within 20 meters.
We know the temperatures/climates before 200yrs ago by other means. We can estimate the temperatures at the time of the dinosaurs and way before.
The government is bleeding us dry and also expecting us to pay more for a less practical vehicle
More practical. Never need to buy petrol ever again. Wake up in the morning with a full tank. Through life costts already lower than ICE and purchase prices will very soon be lower. All that is needed is a massive roll out of convenient affordable charging for those who are not fortunate to have off road parking.
Weather tax.
Automotive industry will be completely destroyed by end of this parliament without U turn by Milliband
Please explain? I don't understand how 'clean energy is cheaper'. If so why have China just built 43 coal fired power stations which feed the factories that make the solar panels and lithium batteries they supply to us in the UK.
incorrect info.
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 China, is building coal-fired power stations at the rate of two a week.
One question Ive never seen an answer to is, "what exactly would the revenue generated by the ZEV mandate fines be spent on, and how would this revenue have a direct impact on the UK carbon emissions?" As a country we generate 1% of global emissions , no matter what we do is going to have any impact what so ever, so what exactly is the real reason for the push towards vehicle electrification? could it be control ?
Money lots and lots of money and guess what it’s yours and mine they’re after
These sales targets seem needlessly complicated. If the government wants to encourage EVs, why not just decrease VAT on EVs, and increase it on petrol vehicles?
They want their cake and eat it.
Worth it to who? It's worth it to those who don't have to worry about having a job. But if no one has a job we can all worship Klaus for our allowance. That's worth it for him and his minions.
If it’s Ed Milibands Job then yes absolutely
The incompetence and sheer stupidity of politicians is mind boggling
The ignorance of the MM journalists and much of the public is as expected
Why not hybrids as a transition via hybrids which run on electric when going relatively slowly, and on petrol/diesel when going faster?
The worst of both worlds.
It makes cars unnecessarily complex, more reasons for it to break down.
@@Alex-ni2ir True, but not an insurmountable challenge. It seems that something like this will be needed, at least on an interim basis. It will also reduce pollution in urban areas.
Plug-in hybrids are probably the most practical drivetrain for most people. It seems like the government is trying to jump straight to EVs without a reasonable transition via mild hybrids, "self-charging" hybrids, and then plug-in hybrids.
Hybrids, paricularly the disingenuously named mild and self charging variety are a scam. They do very little o reduce CO2 emissions.
Probably a few reasons. They still use fossil fuels, much more complex machines with more points of failure, most UK journeys are way less than the typical max range of a full EV.
@@Alex-ni2ir Most journeys are well within the range of an EV. But the problem is most people’s driving habits consist of many short journeys, and then the occasional long journey. People don’t want to have to hire a different car whenever they want to make a long journey.
Plus the charging infrastructure is still woefully inadequate.
Research, indicates that hybrids are not quite as good as touted. The problem, is on short stop start journeys, the engine never gets up to optimum operating temperature, which results in excessive wear. And as for a hybrid, on long distance, the battery wouldn't get used.
@ I think that’s probably less of a problem with newer plug-in hybrids, where the engine is mainly only used on longer journeys.
I think it also depends whether your main concern is greenhouse emissions, or air-quality in urban areas.
What would the weather pattern be like if governments stopped messing with it by cloud seeding etc.
Cloud seeding is a waste of time, the effect is miniscule.
IPCC, confirms in their Assessment Report, that floods, hurricanes, fires etc. have not increased, and that there is no man-made signature to cause them. But then, the politicians who wrote the IPCC Summary for Policymakers, claimed otherwise and contradicted the scientists.
Alarmists tell me climate change has made terrible weather happen, all stemming from fossil fuel consumption. So presumably if CO2 levels were in their acceptable range (some make belief number less than 400) there would not be any bad weather. Now we can look at the the Great storm of 1703, lets see CO2? Anything bigger in the UK ever since?
Ah, but what about the medieval, Roman and Minoan optimums, they were all warmer than today, where was the CO2 then?
@@rjones6219 Absolutely, and there are so many more examples. The sheer ego of the alarmists is amazing to think they can for examples change the Earth's angle of rotation and control the weather is overwhelmingly delusional from playing around with the small amount of CO2 in the air.
I think it's probably worth it PROVIDED both China and India followed suit. If China and India continue as is it's completely pointless.
We aren't blaming Brexit then? That seems quite ideological.
I would think it will have a hell of a knock on effect,across the board in every industry,maybe the government does not want industrial production,or manufacturing done here,to reduce the need for power hence to help with NET 0,But we all know it will fail badly,as the only jobs available will be in retail.Not a good move going down this road,when their is many other alternatives.
It's this guy was talking 12 years ago it was more relevant about EVs but now at the end of 2024 it is absolute lies! Who gave him the right to talk on our behalf!!
Does anyone know where I can get one of those green jobs? They sound great.
I just want to drive home park the car lock it up and go indoors for the evening, not spend half an hour sodding around in the pooring rain connecting the car up to the grid to charge it.
It is Labour turn, if Labour cannot do it, please Change to other party
Funny how the airports are all adding more and more flights each year though isnt it?
Well, Starmer has to get about somehow.
"Is net zero worth losing jobs over?"
Well yes, it is from China's point of view. So Miliband is doing an excellent job for the CCP. I imagine it will eventually emerge that Ed has been a long term sleeper agent. But, by then he will have legged it to his luxury penthouse in Shenzhen.
It is also worh it from your grandchildren's point of view. They migtht just have lives worth living if we get to net zero, otherwise 4 deg temperature rise will be apocalyptic.
@@rogerphelps9939 It will be fine. They were teaching us about global warming in the 1980's. Some were certain the world would end by 2020, I bet £1M it would be still fine. Now those I bet with don't want to show themselves (I am at least honorable and can give each their due but those who owe me are cowards like the hypocritical green brigade).
The world has been warmer and colder. Net zero is a massive political con to extract as much tax from each person.
@@rogerphelps9939 It will be fine. They were teaching us about global warming in the 1980's. Some were certain the world would end by 2020, I bet £1M it would be still fine. Now those I bet with don't want to show themselves (I am at least honorable and can give each their due but those who owe me are cowards like the hypocritical green brigade).
The world has been warmer and colder. Net zero is a massive political con to extract as much tax from each person.
@@rogerphelps9939what a load of rubbish
come on sir, while we understand if your terrace house does not have off road parking, and understand the lady having a petrol mini. BUT many people do want them, but YES they are expensive.
Miliband hasn’t got a clue
I was quite pleased when my cars added up to 10,000 cc. Am I likely to be arrested now ?
Vauxhall cavalier was the car of choice for young men? Put a XR or GTI on the end of that …. Makes me doubt the rest of his comments……..
& yet in Singapore, they restricted car ownership to improve the performance of public transport. boris dream of "singapore on thames" but without any of the positive effect polices implemented in singapore.
I will never own an EV, I will do without first.
Miliband's net zero agenda, is all pain for no gain.
Will not work the customer base is not there ,ordinary people can't afford ev,s and the inferstucture is not there
Don’t show this video to the executives at Jaguar.
Miliband does not care , he thinks he is heading for sainthood . Will Labour never learn ? Anything he ever touches goes badly wrong , every time.
Just blame it on brexit
It's hard not to when Vauxhall was exporting 80% of the cars made in the UK to the EU. EV mandates is the easier scapegoat here.
We are undoubtedly living in fascinating times. A legally binding Net Zero target is a bold and ambitious move-one that could ultimately position a country as either a trailblazing hero or a cautionary tale. While I sincerely hope and pray for everyone's well-being regardless of the outcome, I can't deny that witnessing this unfold feels like a moment made for popcorn.
And I had a Vauxhall Astra, it was a terrible car. Truly depressing motoring.
We won't be making vehicles we will just import them from China. £15K fine for each vehicle. We will just be driving second hand as an alternative and not replacing our cars.
"The World is heating". Duh! The question is whether CO2 has any part to play in it. There is a theory, represented by models - nothing much else.
"Storms are getting worse". Duh! Compared to what? Bat weather always happens. Just show me the physics which tells us CO2 is the cause of mad bad weather.
Lack if critical thinking and not a lot of knowledge about where the technology is.
I can think of one or two jobs or more. And they're all by the River Thames...
Just scaremongering.
Smithfield not Spitalfields
I was here ten million years ago and weather fluctuations have always happened……pumping billions of tonnes of chemicals into the atmosphere 24/7 is not relevant.
Do I get my $ Pay check$ now boss?
I don't think anybody/scientists/experts dispute that weather fluctuations happened ten million years ago. 🐵
When will people learn that the climate changes anyway.
Who is disputing that?
No No No
I keep hearing about climate crisis and more that or that weather. Can someone show me their numbers for this. Not just copied from some report made up of computer modelling, their own data and findings. I can then compare and contrast and reach my own conclusions. All of what is predicted has failed for the past 50 years. Now thats consistent
Are net zero jobs worth it 🤔 are they hell
Spot on
Norway have already moved to BEV.
whats your point? florida is a lot warmer than the uk, they eat dogs in china, its illegal to feed pigeons in venice, what happens in norway is irrelevant to the UK.
In a word, no.
The Greatest BOJO British dream (read drama) is OVER !
lol as if telegraph readers give a toss about jobs
This guy has been brainwashed and should be ignored.
They've told everyone that the cows are farting too much, and it's causing Climate Change 🤣....and some people actually believe that 🤣🤣🤣 hilarious.
What's difficult to understand? Cow farting/belching = Methane. UV light from reflected sunrays hits the Methane molecules and vibrates them/heats them up. It's 30x more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Animal husbandry is not a natural thing, cows are not accustomed to being bred in such quantities and exist purely because of the the dietary demands of the west.
It’s a scam
The Politburo & Pravda think do.
No
Hydrogen is more likely to replace ICE cars. They are plenty of unused charging points around where I live so it’s not just charging infrastructure that’s putting people off buying EV’s.
It won't.
Complains that the public don't believe in electric cars then proceeds to trash electric cars. States "many many people have gone back to ICE cars" when in fact 93% of BEV car owners would not go back to ICE cars. In the meantime car manufactures don't want to move to electric and quite happy to produce ICE cars. In the meantime the Chinese have already done it.