just followed this tutorial on my very first nebula (NGC7000). the result is just wow. thanks a lot for this video! this will be my future workflow for sure!
Thanks so much for this video! You rock bro. This is by far the easiest tutorial video to follow along with that I've come across. I had already subscribed before this because you have great content. Keep it up
Brilliant tutorial Daylon. I am just jumping into PixInsight for my OSC processing. This was a really clear and useful video! Dr. B from Manitoba, Canada
"It's a little bit green" Lol. Let's try "Its green." First time I did that I figured I i must be doing something REALLY wrong. This is such a powerful program but like you said an INSANE amount to learn. These tutorials are huge for newbies like me.
I am taking massive notes. At 11:49 you say to cancel the STF function, but I cannot see the button on the toolbar you hit. Can you describe that button? Thanks
It's the one that looks like a monitor with the red X icon over top of it. You gave me a good idea for a video, I'll be working on that in the coming month :)
Watch through this and found many many useful information. Thank you for uploading such a great clip. Also, I noticed that when using neutralize background process, you didn't chose the preview you created😋
Ive recently taken up this hobby and love it. I was a avid scuba diver but in the past year my lungs got hit hard by the thing we aren’t permitted to mention on UA-cam. I’ve watched all kinds of pixinsight videos yours has been the best so far. It’s taken me a few hours to get through. I have to hit pause and watch on the big screen to see what icons you are clicking on 😂. I’ve used the software a few short months. My trial copy ran out so I bought it because I’m so bad at photoshop that I can’t use it right. I do have the actions tool set but my version is so old none of the new tutorials help me. At least I don’t have to pay a monthly fee on it. As I am learning I have considered it but I’m afraid it will overwrite the old copy. Might still be worth it you tell me. Currently the only decent lens I own is the Rokinon 135 so I’m editing Orion Nebula on this tutorial. I’d like to learn how to work with Horsehead/Flame and m42/running man separately as some stretches work great in one area but screwup the other. 🤷🏻♂️. I’ve also got a horrible white gradient in of the corners of the image. Nothing of interest is really there just stars but I’d like to keep them and eliminate that bright corner.
I would still keep Photoshop around and maybe learn it with other forms of photography. Since you have a DSLR and a lens, doing something like Waterfall Photography can help with the basics of using the program there, or taking pictures of flowers and messing with colors to see what it happens. But then again, I do use Photoshop so often for this channel and for my local IDA chapter it feels like it's always running! But, Pixinsight is a great tool with an unfortunately steep learning curve, but you'll get the hang of it! That's a nifty idea with the big screen, next time I do a processing video I'll be sure to zoom in so it's easier to see things 😃 By the way, I'll be re-shooting the Orion processing video that kept messing up on me a few weeks back, so keep an eye out for that, it should help with keeping the core of the Orion nebula under control!
Patrick, I'm glad I could help! Pixinsight is an incredible program and there's always something to learn! Even the devs are finding new things they didn't know they could do. It's amazing.
Daylon I appreciate very much your instructional video, and also providing the Soul nebula data. I followed step by step your video and took the Image up-to editing Photoshop. For some reason the Astronomy tool add-on’s Making Less Star and Make it fuzzier with Photoshop CS6 hardly changes the image. I need to figure out this later. Thanks.
Both of those are very subtle, so you shouldn't worry too much and might have to run it a couple of times. Another way around it is to be even more subtle with the curve stretches to prevent the "crunchiness" of the overall picture, or be more strict with the mask.
Wish I could, you have to stretch first (get out of linear) before Starnet will work. That's part of the reason for reducing STF's autostretch, it's too aggressive and leave room for more stretching without stars. But, I'll play with it and if I come up with something, you'll know!
Fabulous video. I have been struggling for two weeks to eliminate gradients from a 2-panel mosaic. DBE applied to RGB layers individually did the job. That will become my go to method for gradient removal from now on. Just one question though - you load images into processes by dragging the shaded image to the appropriate box. This does not work for me. Is there a setting required to make this work. When I try it, it just relocates the title bar for the image and hides it behind the process dialogue.
Hi Daylon. For some reason I followed you step by step, but at minute 20ish with the StarNet process, only a minute amount of start created the new mask. Almost all the stars stayed on the main image. Do you have any idea what I did wrong? Thanks for this simplified/fairly easy tutorial. Keep up the good work!
Were you using the Soul Nebula pic or one of your own? If it was one of your own, what was the object? Some bright stars might stick around or leave a halo after star removal.
Nice video. Have you tried EZ processing scripts in PI? I like the start reduction a little more than in PS but the PS route is certainly faster! I need to work on using more masks in my process as your video reminded me. Clear skies 💫
I note that while describing process for Chrominance Reduction a red message appears to change the layers to 7 layers. I do not see anything in the notes explaining what then needs to be done. I presume that if you go to sevenlayers you are adding noise reduction settings to those additional layers? Can you explain? Great video by the way. I have Keller's book you reference and I am having a hard time understanding the deconvolution, noise reduction sections so this video is really helpful Thanks
Ah, yeah I went a little fast there. In the upper right of the MultiscaleLinearTransform window is a drop down that lets you pick the number of layers. It seems to be a common thing to use 7 layers for chrominance. When doing noise reduction, sometimes you won't change any values on all a couple of layers, but it'll still do a little reduction on them, but it's very subtle.
I'm at the 1 minute mark in your video, and I'm already stumped. Where is this "nuclear" option on the tool bar? I use "control+A" to scale the image for viewing. Where is this other thing?
It's usually in the upper right of the top menu bar with the icons. If you are using a smaller screen, you might have to scroll for it, they do have sliders and ways to adjust the UI to your liking.
That's a stunning and extremely helpful tutorial. Got the PI trial version 3 days ago and are applying your workflow to my objects. Amazing what is now coming out. Appreciate your effort. Clear and moon less skies from Germany
Hey thanks so much for this. I’m just learning PI and have my basic workflow down, but you’re on the next level from me so this was super interesting! 👍
@@AstroEscape I am presently capturing galaxies. I live in a light polluted area with many large trees around my home, so I am somewhat limited as to what I can see. I have three weeks at a Bortle 2 zone coming up this summer and so I am looking forward to some great night sky views.
I have it, messed with it a few times, but yes, I'll do some more with it and make a video. Please be patient so I can learn the ins and outs of it and release a proper guide.
Daylon, Phew! How in the world have you managed to master all this in six months! For slow learners like me, it would be amazing for you to do a video like this going more slowly, emphasizing the subtle “clicks” and movements of the flow. I’m going to try to follow this video, but it will be challenging to hear and see all the wealth of information you’re providing. Beginners to Pixinsight like me, do need a bit of hand-holding at first.
You're very kind, I wouldn't necessarily say I've mastered it, but rather, I've passed on what I found works for me currently. I can certainly do a video where things are a little bit slower, and minimally edited! It'll be a long one, since some processes take a while (ok, I might speed those up a bit if it's Pixinsight being slow) 😃
Watch it on the big screen and pause often to follow. I intend on watching it several times. That’s what I normally do Is process right along with these guys and pause the video. After you have gone through it a few times and start to get it you’ll be happy to go faster. Sometimes I’ll take notes as I am going. I have a workflow notebook that has different people doing different workflows ( Take care not to leave details out of your notes I’ve done that too. 😂) . I’m not as savvy as this fella here. Do you know if astro escape is on Facebook? I am Starting to learn how to do these videos too and he could probably give me pointers on that. I’m AstroSeabee on Facebook and here but I’m still at a basic level with all this. I started documenting my learning to try to help other people but my videos aren’t very good and neither are my photos.
@@livefreedivehard I'm on Facebook, but just my personal account. I haven't made a page for this channel, yet. I have Twitter and Instagram put together already though. It'll happen with Facebook, eventually!
As a beginner dabbling in PI, I found this video extremely resourceful and super easy to follow. Thank you for sharing it! By the way, the raw picture looks stunning just by itself. Do you mind sharing your camera settings, subs, and the total integration time? Was it calibrated using PI?
Sure! The camera was set to unity gain (120 for that camera). 125 frames at 2 minutes each, so a little over 4 hours. I used deep sky stacker to stack it :)
@@TheMetamorphosis108 Easiest way to see my gear is to look here (list hasn't changed yet this year): astroescape.com/my-astrophotography-gear/ For the filter, when I did that I was using an Optolong l-eNhance. Fully guided and dithered with the ASI AIR.
Daylon, this is most helpful. I am trying to put together a basic workflow for Nebulas and a separate one for Galaxies. This nailed what I was looking for as a nebula processing workflow. A couple of sequencing questions if you don't mind. Would you do Drizzle Integ right after WBPP? If doing Photometric Color Calib, where in your process would you insert it? Thanks! I am looking forward to more content from you. It is easy to follow and I can actually see (read) the dialog boxes as you populate the settings. That is a real issue with a lot of other sites. Clear Skies!
Drizzle.... it depends on what was collected that night. Every photo is different. If it was undersampled but with a proper dither, it can help a bit. Photometric Color Calib is one process I haven't messed with too much yet, but when I do, you'll know!
I live in a Bortle l 7 zone so I hear you. The best thing I did with my one shot color camera was to get a narrow band filter. I use the L- Extreme but I have also used the L- Enhance. Once you start doing narrow band with a osc camera you don't look back. The only narrow band filter available for a Canon DSLR is the L-Enhance clip-in filter and that works very well.
That's where the color calibrations come into play. Run through the process multiple times but choose different parts of the sky/nebula for color calibration, eventually you'll get a result you'll like.
This was AWESOME. I downloaded the data and followed along step by step. Really great stuff that I will apply to my own images! Did u ever publish a similar walkthru for galaxies? I think you had mentioned at the front that you were thinking of working on one? Would love to see that also!!! Awesome job.
I know, I already thanked you a couple of days ago. But I have to highlight it again. Your video is currently the baseline reference for my workflow and I am coming back here all the time. Thanks for putting in all this effort, this is one of the best beginner tutorials I found so far. The only thing that is not working for me is the part with the color balance and the "Statistics" process. I can`t find the "Autosave" in my list. I work around it and it`s no big deal, but maybe I am missing something simple?
"Autosave" is the name that Deep Sky Stacker saves the file as for me, so you'll need to look for whatever the file name is for your stacked, unprocessed image.
just followed this tutorial on my very first nebula (NGC7000). the result is just wow. thanks a lot for this video! this will be my future workflow for sure!
I'm glad it helped you Justin!
thanks for the video Daylon and for allowing others to access your data freely and practice with it!
You're welcome!
OMG, you deserve a medal just for the tip on correcting the backwards zoom in and out! That was driving me NUTS!
Yeah I was going insane with that too. Just.....why..... was that an idea?
I've watched this twice and made notes, excellent tutorial, keep them coming. Thank you.
I'm currently on a break but I will make sure when I return, there's another PI tutorial for you.
Thanks so much for this video! You rock bro. This is by far the easiest tutorial video to follow along with that I've come across. I had already subscribed before this because you have great content. Keep it up
Thank you for your kind words!
Brilliant tutorial Daylon. I am just jumping into PixInsight for my OSC processing. This was a really clear and useful video! Dr. B from Manitoba, Canada
Dr. B, glad it helped. Enjoy learning PI, there's a lot to learn!
"It's a little bit green"
Lol. Let's try "Its green."
First time I did that I figured I i must be doing something REALLY wrong.
This is such a powerful program but like you said an INSANE amount to learn.
These tutorials are huge for newbies like me.
Yeah, it's nuts with the green based on the sensor. But, I'm glad I could help man!
I am taking massive notes. At 11:49 you say to cancel the STF function, but I cannot see the button on the toolbar you hit. Can you describe that button? Thanks
It's the one that looks like a monitor with the red X icon over top of it.
You gave me a good idea for a video, I'll be working on that in the coming month :)
Watch through this and found many many useful information. Thank you for uploading such a great clip. Also, I noticed that when using neutralize background process, you didn't chose the preview you created😋
Oh boy! Not sure how I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out!
@@AstroEscape No Worries. Really awesome tutorial!
Ya, I noticed that too and wanted to see if anyone else did...
Thanks for taking time to make these awesome tutorials!! This helps a lot!
You're welcome! Glad they could help!
Ive recently taken up this hobby and love it. I was a avid scuba diver but in the past year my lungs got hit hard by the thing we aren’t permitted to mention on UA-cam. I’ve watched all kinds of pixinsight videos yours has been the best so far. It’s taken me a few hours to get through. I have to hit pause and watch on the big screen to see what icons you are clicking on 😂. I’ve used the software a few short months. My trial copy ran out so I bought it because I’m so bad at photoshop that I can’t use it right. I do have the actions tool set but my version is so old none of the new tutorials help me. At least I don’t have to pay a monthly fee on it. As I am learning I have considered it but I’m afraid it will overwrite the old copy. Might still be worth it you tell me. Currently the only decent lens I own is the Rokinon 135 so I’m editing Orion Nebula on this tutorial. I’d like to learn how to work with Horsehead/Flame and m42/running man separately as some stretches work great in one area but screwup the other. 🤷🏻♂️. I’ve also got a horrible white gradient in of the corners of the image. Nothing of interest is really there just stars but I’d like to keep them and eliminate that bright corner.
I would still keep Photoshop around and maybe learn it with other forms of photography. Since you have a DSLR and a lens, doing something like Waterfall Photography can help with the basics of using the program there, or taking pictures of flowers and messing with colors to see what it happens. But then again, I do use Photoshop so often for this channel and for my local IDA chapter it feels like it's always running! But, Pixinsight is a great tool with an unfortunately steep learning curve, but you'll get the hang of it! That's a nifty idea with the big screen, next time I do a processing video I'll be sure to zoom in so it's easier to see things 😃 By the way, I'll be re-shooting the Orion processing video that kept messing up on me a few weeks back, so keep an eye out for that, it should help with keeping the core of the Orion nebula under control!
What a great tutorial, thank you so much, it really helped me to find my start with pixinsight!
Patrick, I'm glad I could help! Pixinsight is an incredible program and there's always something to learn! Even the devs are finding new things they didn't know they could do. It's amazing.
Great tutorial! I learned a ton. Thanks for sharing your data too!! I wish I could show you my image.
Glad it could help!
Daylon I appreciate very much your instructional video, and also providing the Soul nebula data. I followed step by step your video and took the Image up-to editing Photoshop. For some reason the Astronomy tool add-on’s Making Less Star and Make it fuzzier with Photoshop CS6 hardly changes the image. I need to figure out this later. Thanks.
Both of those are very subtle, so you shouldn't worry too much and might have to run it a couple of times. Another way around it is to be even more subtle with the curve stretches to prevent the "crunchiness" of the overall picture, or be more strict with the mask.
Nice work! Thank you. I learned very interesting things.
Glad it helped! Anything I missed you needed to know?
@@AstroEscape Not at the moment but thank you for asking! Now watching the rest of your videos :)
Very Best 😀 very nice spoken and very good explanation ! Greetings from Germany
Thank you Max! I hope it helped!
Hello, I love you way of working with this but i think that If you StarNet when the color are seperated, it will give a better result.
Wish I could, you have to stretch first (get out of linear) before Starnet will work. That's part of the reason for reducing STF's autostretch, it's too aggressive and leave room for more stretching without stars. But, I'll play with it and if I come up with something, you'll know!
Fabulous video. I have been struggling for two weeks to eliminate gradients from a 2-panel mosaic. DBE applied to RGB layers individually did the job. That will become my go to method for gradient removal from now on. Just one question though - you load images into processes by dragging the shaded image to the appropriate box. This does not work for me. Is there a setting required to make this work. When I try it, it just relocates the title bar for the image and hides it behind the process dialogue.
Figured it out - you need to Iconize the image, not shade it.
Excellent, I'm glad you found your answer Keith!
Hi Daylon. For some reason I followed you step by step, but at minute 20ish with the StarNet process, only a minute amount of start created the new mask. Almost all the stars stayed on the main image. Do you have any idea what I did wrong? Thanks for this simplified/fairly easy tutorial. Keep up the good work!
Were you using the Soul Nebula pic or one of your own? If it was one of your own, what was the object? Some bright stars might stick around or leave a halo after star removal.
@@AstroEscape I used your file and followed your tutorial.
Excellent PI tutorial for beginners like me. Awesome. - Thank you!
You're welcome! Hopefully it helped a bit for your workflow 😃
That's my studies for the weekend sorted 👍
Nice, how did your pics turn out?
Sure is a lot in Pixinsight I'm still getting my head around it. Nice information.
I'm fairly certain people with years of experience are still trying to get their head around it. There's so much to learn!
Nice video. Have you tried EZ processing scripts in PI? I like the start reduction a little more than in PS but the PS route is certainly faster! I need to work on using more masks in my process as your video reminded me. Clear skies 💫
Yes, I have. I like the noise reduction from the EZ scripts, makes things look a bit better.
I note that while describing process for Chrominance Reduction a red message appears to change the layers to 7 layers. I do not see anything in the notes explaining what then needs to be done. I presume that if you go to sevenlayers you are adding noise reduction settings to those additional layers? Can you explain?
Great video by the way. I have Keller's book you reference and I am having a hard time understanding the deconvolution, noise reduction sections so this video is really helpful
Thanks
Ah, yeah I went a little fast there. In the upper right of the MultiscaleLinearTransform window is a drop down that lets you pick the number of layers. It seems to be a common thing to use 7 layers for chrominance. When doing noise reduction, sometimes you won't change any values on all a couple of layers, but it'll still do a little reduction on them, but it's very subtle.
I'm at the 1 minute mark in your video, and I'm already stumped. Where is this "nuclear" option on the tool bar? I use "control+A" to scale the image for viewing. Where is this other thing?
It's usually in the upper right of the top menu bar with the icons. If you are using a smaller screen, you might have to scroll for it, they do have sliders and ways to adjust the UI to your liking.
That's a stunning and extremely helpful tutorial. Got the PI trial version 3 days ago and are applying your workflow to my objects. Amazing what is now coming out. Appreciate your effort. Clear and moon less skies from Germany
Thanks man. I'm glad it helped you out!
Hey thanks so much for this. I’m just learning PI and have my basic workflow down, but you’re on the next level from me so this was super interesting! 👍
Thanks for the kind words, Stuart! It means a lot!
Your work is amazing and I really enjoy the detail you put into the various steps. This video is so helpful. Kudos to you!
Thank you for watching, Terry! What DSO did you get?
@@AstroEscape I am presently capturing galaxies. I live in a light polluted area with many large trees around my home, so I am somewhat limited as to what I can see. I have three weeks at a Bortle 2 zone coming up this summer and so I am looking forward to some great night sky views.
Daylon..can u do a vid on Siril also?
I have it, messed with it a few times, but yes, I'll do some more with it and make a video. Please be patient so I can learn the ins and outs of it and release a proper guide.
Daylon, Phew! How in the world have you managed to master all this in six months! For slow learners like me, it would be amazing for you to do a video like this going more slowly, emphasizing the subtle “clicks” and movements of the flow. I’m going to try to follow this video, but it will be challenging to hear and see all the wealth of information you’re providing. Beginners to Pixinsight like me, do need a bit of hand-holding at first.
You're very kind, I wouldn't necessarily say I've mastered it, but rather, I've passed on what I found works for me currently. I can certainly do a video where things are a little bit slower, and minimally edited! It'll be a long one, since some processes take a while (ok, I might speed those up a bit if it's Pixinsight being slow) 😃
Watch it on the big screen and pause often to follow. I intend on watching it several times. That’s what I normally do
Is process right along with these guys and pause the video. After you have gone through it a few times and start to get it you’ll be happy to go faster. Sometimes I’ll take notes as I am going. I have a workflow notebook that has different people doing different workflows ( Take care not to leave details out of your notes I’ve done that too. 😂) . I’m not as savvy as this fella here. Do you know if astro escape is on Facebook? I am
Starting to learn how to do these videos too and he could probably give me pointers on that. I’m AstroSeabee on Facebook and here but I’m still at a basic level with all this. I started documenting my learning to try to help other people but my videos aren’t very good and neither are my photos.
@@livefreedivehard I'm on Facebook, but just my personal account. I haven't made a page for this channel, yet. I have Twitter and Instagram put together already though. It'll happen with Facebook, eventually!
As a beginner dabbling in PI, I found this video extremely resourceful and super easy to follow. Thank you for sharing it! By the way, the raw picture looks stunning just by itself. Do you mind sharing your camera settings, subs, and the total integration time? Was it calibrated using PI?
Sure! The camera was set to unity gain (120 for that camera). 125 frames at 2 minutes each, so a little over 4 hours. I used deep sky stacker to stack it :)
@@AstroEscape Appreciate your quick response! What camera and scope did you use? Any narrowband filter in the optical train? Guided and dithered?
@@TheMetamorphosis108 Easiest way to see my gear is to look here (list hasn't changed yet this year): astroescape.com/my-astrophotography-gear/
For the filter, when I did that I was using an Optolong l-eNhance. Fully guided and dithered with the ASI AIR.
Daylon, this is most helpful. I am trying to put together a basic workflow for Nebulas and a separate one for Galaxies. This nailed what I was looking for as a nebula processing workflow. A couple of sequencing questions if you don't mind. Would you do Drizzle Integ right after WBPP? If doing Photometric Color Calib, where in your process would you insert it? Thanks! I am looking forward to more content from you. It is easy to follow and I can actually see (read) the dialog boxes as you populate the settings. That is a real issue with a lot of other sites. Clear Skies!
Drizzle.... it depends on what was collected that night. Every photo is different. If it was undersampled but with a proper dither, it can help a bit. Photometric Color Calib is one process I haven't messed with too much yet, but when I do, you'll know!
i took 5 hours of data and mine looks like garbage. my nebula are always brown. Maybe too much light pollution
I live in a Bortle l 7 zone so I hear you. The best thing I did with my one shot color camera was to get a narrow band filter. I use the L- Extreme but I have also used the L- Enhance. Once you start doing narrow band with a osc camera you don't look back. The only narrow band filter available for a Canon DSLR is the L-Enhance clip-in filter and that works very well.
That's where the color calibrations come into play. Run through the process multiple times but choose different parts of the sky/nebula for color calibration, eventually you'll get a result you'll like.
This was AWESOME. I downloaded the data and followed along step by step. Really great stuff that I will apply to my own images! Did u ever publish a similar walkthru for galaxies? I think you had mentioned at the front that you were thinking of working on one? Would love to see that also!!! Awesome job.
I haven't yet due to something that happened (check the community tab), but it's in the plans!
I know, I already thanked you a couple of days ago. But I have to highlight it again. Your video is currently the baseline reference for my workflow and I am coming back here all the time. Thanks for putting in all this effort, this is one of the best beginner tutorials I found so far. The only thing that is not working for me is the part with the color balance and the "Statistics" process. I can`t find the "Autosave" in my list. I work around it and it`s no big deal, but maybe I am missing something simple?
"Autosave" is the name that Deep Sky Stacker saves the file as for me, so you'll need to look for whatever the file name is for your stacked, unprocessed image.
Astrophotography is a full time job, there’s no denying it…
Oh yeah, there's a lot to do! More so for those of us on UA-cam 😉 It's FUN though!
There is a 3 Year college course you can take on how to use this program! LOL
Yeah, it's nuts! It's a crazy program!
I find the music annoying and distracting.
Thank you for your opinion, and for watching.