15:57 I always laugh a people who complain about the wind noise in the 124 spider. I'm like "Bruh, there's no roof... how quiet do you want it to be??"
This is a car with Japanese reliability though. Mostly its just a Miata, but it has a 1.4T multiair engine, but that engine has been around forever and is well known to be reliable. Cruising it will have as good or better fuel economy than the Miata, but when you floor it the Miata is way more efficient as the 1.4T tends to run rich on boost unless you get it chipped. Its not direct injected though which is a good thing, it means you never have to worry about fouling.
Another awesome review to spoil us in this Saturday morning. Just enjoying the review with my breakfast and coffee. Thank you sir, have a great weekend!
They didn’t market the thing, and they wonder why it didn’t sell. The vast majority being automatics doesn’t generate much excitement among enthusiasts either. It seems like their target demographic was old ladies.
The Abarth trim, DEFINITELY would buy. Lots of aftermarket parts for these fun cars. My family has a 500 Sport. Properly maintained and cared for, these cars won't disappoint. To be honest, it's all about consumer perception, since all modern cars are plagued by recalls and electronic issues.
Love this car! Although it is missing the sparrow tail styling elements of the original car (which I would argue is the best looking part of the classic 124) the styling is beautiful, the engine is a jewel especially with the monza exhausts. This would be the best fiat to get because it is built by the Japanese. Hope to own one someday.
There is not a day goes by that I don’t get some compliment about my black 2020 Spider! I have the Lusso cause I wanted that tan interior! I bought it used with only 12900 miles! One of my neighbors kids remarked “ this is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in my life” he’s 12 !
@@lego4virgo Actually there is a Miata with the 700 HP Hellcat engine that was squeezed into the engine bay ! Do a Google search for Hoonigans Hellcat engine in a Miata. They literally rip chucks of rubber off the tires & there is so much tire smoke you lose sight of the car.
Late to the party here, I just picked up a 2018 Classica with the 6-speed manual and I love it. I do think the transmission choice makes all the difference, the 124 Spider needs to be spooled up a little bit to wake up the Multi-Air engine. Fun to watch videos like this and see others thoughts on the car.
Yep, I like how he completely missed the fact that the 124 has significantly more torque than the miata. If he kept the revs in the 3-4k range, he'd see how much peppier the Fiata is. Yes, the NA Miata has more linear power delivery, but some people like the excitement from when a turbo kicks in.
I didn't know that the 124 was ending production. I've liked the body of the 124 better than the Miata, even though I have always loved the Miata since day one.
They needed to switch to the 1.3L to meet new European emission standards and Fiat CEO didn't want to pay for the switch. The 124 was supposed to be produced through 2026, but when Sergio Marchionne died and Michael Manley took over, it was doomed. Manley wanted all EVs, so the need to switch to the 1.3L Firefly was the perfect reason for him to stop production.
I have the exact same car as shown, except mine is a manual. I bought mine two years ago new, after it sat on a Dealer's lot for almost two years. It's been fantastic. Nimble, fun to drive, good on gas, good top end power, great handling and fantastic stereo system. It's only been to a Dealer once for a fuel pump recall, which actually helped with a minor dead spot in the top end of the rev range. The only complaint I have is Fiat cheeped out on a TPM system on the Lusso which uses the ABS system rather than dedicated TPM sensors. So it goes off intermittently, but it's easy to reset. I get a lot of compliments on this car and my wife loves to drive it as well. Fantastic gearbox!
Its actually a much better TPMS & its telling you the tire pressure should be checked - not resetting the system every time it goes off ! How do I know ? Because I own a 2016 MX-5 Club soft top. I have a digital pressure gauge & use a air pump connected to the battery. Every season when the temperatures drop drastically there might be an alarm. Easy to check all 4 & fill them to 29.6 psi. Now what I don't like about the 124 besides its engine / clutch / is the upside oil filter ( elemental to boot ) buried under the air intake ! What a frickin mess to change out. Leaks oil in the lower engine compartment.
I have a 2018 Red 124 Spider Lusso. It has been perfect since day 1, especially with the 6 speed manual transmission. The most fun car I have ever driven, a real head turner. Not a single squeak, creak, or rattle, nor a single mechanical issue since I have owned it. One of the best kept secrets in small roadster convertibles. Made alongside the MX5 in Hiroshima, most Fiat haters think this car is a piece of junk, not realizing that for the most part its a Mazda clone. I own a Mazda CX-5, which I love, but chose this car over the MX-5 mostly because of its stying, and low-end torque (with the 6-speed manual). Not a car for the race track, just a fun car to cruise around in, with Italian sexiness, British sportiness, and Japanese build quality.
The clutch in the Fiats is much heavier in feel to the MX-5. Also the shift pattern feels much tighter / the turbo lag sucks which delays throttle response / plus the MX-5 is lighter feels much more athletic in the turns. Piece of junk ? I would not say that about the 124 Spyder roadster. I drove a 2017 Fiat 124 Spyder Abarth with a 6 speed manual. Then a 2016 Mazda MX-5 Club back to back so that was my feeling on the 124. That 2016 MX-5 Club soft top has a super light clutch / a naturally aspirated engine that gives instant throttle response. That 2016 MX-5 Club soft top sits in my garage for the past 6.75 years.
7:04 Holy mother of depreciation, from 30k to 18k on only 13,000 miles... Might be worth taking a gamble on an older one if it keeps depreciating at that rate for lol
@@nelsonperez1577 it's because of the chip shortage, it's selling for just over MSRP now. Since they're only doing 1 generation I think it'll become a very rare car in 10-20 years, same as happening with the old miata's.
what the best would have been is the 1.8 from alfa, but also its really just the transmission being the problem with this one. look at other reviews, they actually flip and say the 1.4 is better because of the manual... also better to mod.
Fiat just doesn't have any brand recognition, at least here in the US. Few people know what Fiat is and the few who do are painfully aware of it's historically poor reliability. It's unfortunate because I think Fiat has come a long way since those times, but they've just never established much of a foothold here. The fact they're kind of known for making small cars doesn't help their case, since that's more of a European trend than it is here in the US where gas is cheaper and bigger is more common.
@@sly9263 On the contrary, Fiat has plenty of brand recognition. The problem is that the recognition dates back to the 60's and practically everyone in the USA associates Fiat with "HURR DURR FIX IT AGAIN TONY, FIATS ARE UNRELIABLE". No one wants to talk about the fact that JD Power ratings placed Fiat above the Scion brand, and Scions are bullet-proof Toyotas. A lot of the low scores in car ratings for modern day Fiat have to do with trivial things like hating the Blue & Me sound system or the interiors rattling and being cheap, not actual engine or major mechanical issues. The 1.4l multi-air is a tried and true perfectly reliable engine. I had my 500 Abarth until 70k miles when the clutch failed (and I only declined to repair it because the cost relative to the vehicle's value was not a good investment). Had the cost to repair the clutch been lower, I would have gladly kept the car until it was well and truly dead. It's a miracle for any heavily stressed high boost sports car to have a clutch last that long.
Yes you can & its called a Mazda MX-5 like Joe says the naturally aspirated engine with a manual is much more fun ! Also the MX-5 Miata handles much better than the 124 Spyder.
Your first statement is an opinion. Your second is demonstrably wrong. In head to head tests with professional drivers, the 124 beats the MX-5 ND. Time after time. The main reason is how the suspensions are set up. The MX-5 has more body roll. While less sophisticated drivers think that makes it feel more "fun", more advanced drivers realize it makes them slower through turns. A fairly common theme amongst pro drivers who have done the head to head tests is that the MX-5 "feels faster, while the 124 IS faster." And yes, the MX-5 will beat the 124 off the line by a small margin. A secondary reason is that, once the turbo is spooled up, the 124 is faster. But neither car is a drag racer. Both cars excel at cutting curves, autocross-type racing, canyon runs, etc. Any good 124 driver will simply keep their revs up and very slowly pull away from the MX-5. I think perhaps that is why you say the MX-5 is more fun - you get to watch the back of a 124. That is definitely a more pleasing experience than watching the back of the less pleasing aesthetic of the MX-5. As I always note however, you can't go wrong with either car; both are very good at what they do.
@@DropTopTees Even Joe agreed with me. The Fiat 124 is slow off the line waiting for the turbo to spool up. Professional drivers ? The video I watched said he loved the MX-5 & beat a Dodge Hellcat by 4 seconds around a race track. Who are these drivers that don't know how to drive ? Don't forget at 5000 rpms your done !
@@ag4allgood Neither car is an off-the-line kind of racer. If you want a drag racer, you buy a different car. MX-5s and 124s are twisty road, autocross style cars. The 124 is slightly better at that type of driving than is the MX-5 ND. Sorry, but it has been tested over and over and the 124s edges out the MX-5 ND. Don't forget, even the MX- 5 ND II has less torque than the 124. And it handles body roll better than the MX-5. Added together, it is slightly faster on a track or canyon run. In reality, the cars are even enough driver skill becomes the biggest factor in a head to head race. However, as I said, in head to head competitions where both professional race car drivers took turns with both cars, the 124 prevails. It is a tad more capable than it's sister.
@@DropTopTees MX-5 ND / ND2 are quicker off the line & will leave the 124 Spyder in the dust waiting for the turbo to spool up. Its also 150 pounds heavier than my 2016 Club soft top. Its throttle response makes it more aggressive & the super light clutch is buttery smooth. My car has the Bilstein shocks so the body roll is minimal. Also has the LSD so both rear wheels give it traction from the stop. MX-5 is a better daily drivers car by FAR ! 😎
I wholeheartedly recommend this vehicle! I've owned mine for a year now and I love it to death. It's a GREAT ride. I daily drive this and haven't had any issues.
@@marcusmcneal7453 I was trying to decide between that car and the 124 Spider. I loved the more aggressive look that the 124 has and ended up going with that. I feel like you can't go wrong with either car.
This is a fantastic looking, fantastic driving sports car. Not just for $20k, but at any price. I have a Lusso and hope to keep it until they take the keys from my cold, dead hands. PS - There's additional storage compartments behind the seats for emergency gear. Most owners don't even know the about this!
Yep, not to mention that the comment about fitting "maybe a baseball" in the storage bin is ridiculous. You can fit large books in there with space to spare. Doug DeMuro provided a much more fair and realistic review.
If you’re going to be commenting or using it as a Sunday cruiser you can make a case for the auto, but obviously most people will get more out of the stick (which apparently is the manual from the previous gen Miata). Should wake up the engine too, as might an aftermarket exhaust if you can spare the extra $. I’d take this over the same year Miata; I prefer the styling, but the recent Miata’s with their updated engines are a tough comparison. Nice review of course, keep up the great work.
The only issue I have (I have a 2017 Classica) is getting parts. Someone rear ended me and I'm still waiting for a new bumper. The car's are GREAT! Over 30,000 mi and couldn't be happier....and I had a Miata a few years back, but liked the styling and ride in the Spider much more.
I had a 1979 Fiat Spider....Weber Dual 44 IDF Carburetors and free flow exhaust....I packed everything I owned.... drove 2,000 miles in 24 hrs with ear protection to begin a new life....damn I miss being young and rebellious!
Abarth 124 with bolt-ons and tune absolutely rips, but still wouldn’t get into it above $15,000. It’s an enthusiast car. Only problem is the dealer network. Never had a good experience taking my Abarth 500 to Dodge-Fiat service centers, stand-alone Fiat shops are dying. 110k driven from DC to LA and back, very reliable and easy to work on. But zero respect from most Dodge and independent service shops.
Looking at both currently in US (Maryland) . Question for those who own either - how is this servicing? I'm older (62) and remember the old Fix It Again Tony for FIAT - had an RX-7 when i was younger and loved. As I am not a self mechanic I'm wondering what the costs might run on service/maintenance - thanks.
My son has an Abarth Spider, and at 33000 it needs both rear hubs replacing because the suspension bushes are not available separately. Thankfully they are covered by warranty because they are almost £4500 to replace. But how long will they last?
That is both gross for cost and mileage. But given the cost, I bet the next time you need them there will be an aftermarket option. Or just burn them out and replace them with polyurethane bushings (preferably greasable to avoid squeaks).
It's definitely fun to drive when I rented it but kind of scary on the freeway because it's so small. Almost had a dude in his suv run me over cause he was sprinting out of the on ramp and slicing through lanes. He didn't see me in my tiny lil spider 😂 Needless to say I had to swerve in the left lane to avoid collision. Anyway, I would buy it. Just wish it had a backseat.
Joe, I would definately buy this over the Mazda version. Although I believe Fiat should have made their own version of this car. The people who want "Italian" do not (usually) want Japonese. I worked for Fiat in 1978-80 and sold 124 Spiders brand new in NorCal. They were around $10k and that was considered expensive in 1978. ha ha
Theres more to the story. This car was supposed to be branded an Alfa Romeo. They teamed up with Mazda because of their bullet proof suspension. Once the deal was made they realized that Alfa had a clause requiring them to be completely built in Italy. At the last minute, to save the deal with Mazda, they badged it a fiat 124 spider. I have owned one since 2019. Ive owned corvettes and Mazda RX sports-cars and I have to say this is the funnest car I have ever owned. As an added benefit is the attention it attracts. You can see a Miata or a Corvette coming a mile away. Nobody knows what this car is!
@@garyfairfield3682 Here is a bit of history....I sold Fiat 124 Spiders new in 1979-80! I worked for Fiat in the SF Bay Area, just before they stopped importing them. We sold the car new for around $10k. That was expensive in 1979. ha ha Glad you are enjoying yours.
Beautiful car, IMO much better engine than Miata, Fiat hit a home run with production of this car. HOWEVER, They totally screwed up the marketing. Some of us real car guys and gals didn't even hear about this car the first year it was available in USA. Lousy dealership support also; spotty, a few good dealers, but most were more interested in supporting Jeeps and Dodge trucks. Marketing and support failures is why production stopped. I have mine! So glad I bought it when I did. More fun in a car than I've had in decades. Mine is modded some and is like a go-cart on the street and autocross course.
Even though it was a niche product, this is the only competitive car they had here. With this and the 500 gone, they’re basically done unless they come up with something else. The 500X and 500L won’t cut it. It’s too bad.
I'm torn between this and same year Miata. i prefer the Italian styling of the Fiat, but I'm worried it's not as fun to drive as the Miata. This is such a good looking car!
I own this Lusso (manuel 6speed) in red..sorry..passione rosso😁 and silber mirrors. 10 spoke wheels and the classic 4 spoke wheels(for winter and summer). I love my car...and it is fast enough 😉. Next year trip to italy💓 again. Greetings from germany, the country without speedlimit😎👍 (why americans buy cars with more than 50 Horsepower, when the speedlimit is 60mph🤔)
You’re just quizzing us, aren’t you Joe?? At 3:40, you said “10 spoke.” I had to pause and put my glasses on hahaha, because I counted 12 spokes. You must be doing some of that “new” math that they’re teaching nowadays 😂😂
Look at this pint sized Italian whip huh!!! I really do like them. Thanks for the review here Joe!!! Are you gonna win any drag races with this thing?...if your on throttle reaction is any indication, nope... It strikes me more of a cruiser than a bruiser. #RaitisRides #OnThrottle #ToTheDoorPanel #TwinkiesForDays #OnThrottleAgain #LoriGotAngles #CameraQueen #Zonkmeister #OnThrottleAllOverThePlace #IfYoureReadyImReady #Fiat #124Spider
It was never meant to be a drag race car. It is a canyon carver. That said, if you invest a bit of money, switch to forged internals and bore and stroke it, it will be a totally different type of beast.
Yes the fiat 124 spider makes a great preowned vehicle with japanese reliability to boot. This is a great convertible for people who just want a sporty looking convertible just like the original. The vehicle was never a hot performer. It was a pretty 2 seat convertible.
I bought a '23 MX-5 soft-top not long ago, and while I love it, I do prefer the looks of the Fiat. It would be sweet if the Fiat had the 181 hp engine of the Miata.
Anyone else notice the black smoke when it was started and for a while after? Wonder if that’s due to the carbon build up? Curious about that as I’ve. Ever seen black smoke in a car when it’s started on his channel prior. I’ve heard people say the fiat has more torque available around town than the miata as it doesn’t need to be wound out all the way everyone like the miata 🤷🏻♂️
so......is it worth the risk if it is a manual? Cause I am looking at new and used as well as Miatas and like the styling on this one better. Since the pandemic is limiting my ability to test as often as I otherwise would UA-camrs are being my eyes, ears and "feel"!
Still love convertibles so much like this one and my dream convertible. And to be honest in my opinion, it looks a car that 16 year old kids could probably use to get to school or college on their own. and If I did have a convertible as my car, then I would have some fun going to school or college by myself.
It’s 2024. I own a 2019 124 Spider with the Lusso Plus trim. The Plus includes a 9-speaker Bose system. Also, the 6 speed manual transmission is much better, and gives it plenty of exhilarating zip. Plenty of “nimble”. I love my 124 Spider - in Mare Blue Metallic paint! I bought it in 2023, one previous owner, impeccable service record, 26k miles. $24k Don’t buy an automatic! Long live the left pedal! A lot cooler than the Miata!
@@RaitisRides I purchased a 6 speed 2017 Abarth and added some much needed business (like 50 more HP) also fully spec. Best decision I've made for under $20Gs
I kinda like this 124 and I like the price and the smart easy to use top. I don't care much for the auto and with 22lbs of boost I doubt that much more could be pulled out of that small motor which is the deal breaker. Had they given this some real power they might still be selling them.
That’s a good question. I am not sure Joe but possibly. It’s certainly a good looking car also but I would be afraid of the reliability and ability to service it with Fiat pulling out of the US market. 🤔
I like how he’s positive about cars and doesn’t nitpick every imperfection. Too many reviewers come across as whiny.
It's all about balance Bill. Thanks for taking the time to say that.
YES. Some people wrongly believe that nitpicking makes them sound more discerning or intelligent.
It's a review ldiot, that's the entire point.
15:57 I always laugh a people who complain about the wind noise in the 124 spider. I'm like "Bruh, there's no roof... how quiet do you want it to be??"
So true! 😂
There isn't much, so even other 124 drivers scoff
Maybe they’re talking about wind buffeting? You know, that weird sensation of air being forced into your ear.
I have the 2020 spider top up noisy? Yeah, I love it!
It's not that bad... Just turn the radio up.
I want to build a car with Italian styling, German tech and Japanese reliability
That would be amazing!
@Isaac Marin really?
So basically a supra
This is a car with Japanese reliability though. Mostly its just a Miata, but it has a 1.4T multiair engine, but that engine has been around forever and is well known to be reliable. Cruising it will have as good or better fuel economy than the Miata, but when you floor it the Miata is way more efficient as the 1.4T tends to run rich on boost unless you get it chipped. Its not direct injected though which is a good thing, it means you never have to worry about fouling.
@@BoopSnoot I know its a shared endeavor of italian and japanese but it lacks the driving experience of a german car.
Ok lets get down to business and the important stuff. Just how many snicker bars can fit in the door panel pocket?
I like the way you think!
@@RaitisRides the bloody door panel pocket is able to hold 25 thumbs up sneaker bars. Ty 🖐🙂👍🇺🇸
None! Because there is no door panel pocket :(
Another awesome review to spoil us in this Saturday morning. Just enjoying the review with my breakfast and coffee. Thank you sir, have a great weekend!
Thanks Jack! That really means a lot!
Can't believe this is being discontinued, this was supposed to be my dream car after a couple of promotions :(
Just buy a used one
Make your dreams come true! Buy a used!
Buy a Mazda Miata, or 86 they'll be newer 😉
They didn’t market the thing, and they wonder why it didn’t sell. The vast majority being automatics doesn’t generate much excitement among enthusiasts either. It seems like their target demographic was old ladies.
@@blacksunshine1089 Old ladies going to church that wanted to dry their hair coming out of the shower !
I kinda dig that background music when you did that convertible top! 😂
You're awesome man. Thank you so much for the wonderful contents! Much love! ❤
I really appreciate you letting me share the laughs and cars with you!
The Abarth trim, DEFINITELY would buy.
Lots of aftermarket parts for these fun cars.
My family has a 500 Sport.
Properly maintained and cared for, these cars won't disappoint.
To be honest, it's all about consumer perception, since all modern cars are plagued by recalls and electronic issues.
Love this car! Although it is missing the sparrow tail styling elements of the original car (which I would argue is the best looking part of the classic 124) the styling is beautiful, the engine is a jewel especially with the monza exhausts. This would be the best fiat to get because it is built by the Japanese. Hope to own one someday.
Very good input! One day man!
The Spider has always been a sexy ride. I can see a trip to Baltimore for crab cakes or up to Boston for lobster. Fun is what it's all about!👍😍
If you do stop by Bawlmer,you should definitely try our pit beef,as well.
@@blairbrown4812 sounds like a plan
There is not a day goes by that I don’t get some compliment about my black 2020 Spider! I have the Lusso cause I wanted that tan interior! I bought it used with only 12900 miles! One of my neighbors kids remarked “ this is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in my life” he’s 12 !
A crime to put an auto trans in this beauty. I have a friend who lets me drive his manual, and it’s a blast.
Someone has been working his tris. Great review as always, Joe!
Thanks for saying that!
Poor Joe sounded so defeated. Just think back to the good old days of the Hellcat. Bring that smile back.
You know me well!
We need a Hellcat Spyder 124.
@@lego4virgo Actually there is a Miata with the 700 HP Hellcat engine that was squeezed into the engine bay ! Do a Google search for Hoonigans Hellcat engine in a Miata. They literally rip chucks of rubber off the tires & there is so much tire smoke you lose sight of the car.
Late to the party here, I just picked up a 2018 Classica with the 6-speed manual and I love it. I do think the transmission choice makes all the difference, the 124 Spider needs to be spooled up a little bit to wake up the Multi-Air engine. Fun to watch videos like this and see others thoughts on the car.
Yep, I like how he completely missed the fact that the 124 has significantly more torque than the miata. If he kept the revs in the 3-4k range, he'd see how much peppier the Fiata is. Yes, the NA Miata has more linear power delivery, but some people like the excitement from when a turbo kicks in.
I loved my 2017 124 so much that I bought the new 2020. I'm hoping it becomes a future collectible 😃
I am not to sure that is going to ever happen.
thats what they said about del sols and these are way more fun to drive
Just bought a black 2020 used Lusso and I just can’t believe I own it! It’s not practical but once your in it, your smiling breathlessly!
I didn't know that the 124 was ending production. I've liked the body of the 124 better than the Miata, even though I have always loved the Miata since day one.
They needed to switch to the 1.3L to meet new European emission standards and Fiat CEO didn't want to pay for the switch. The 124 was supposed to be produced through 2026, but when Sergio Marchionne died and Michael Manley took over, it was doomed. Manley wanted all EVs, so the need to switch to the 1.3L Firefly was the perfect reason for him to stop production.
I have the exact same car as shown, except mine is a manual. I bought mine two years ago new, after it sat on a Dealer's lot for almost two years. It's been fantastic. Nimble, fun to drive, good on gas, good top end power, great handling and fantastic stereo system. It's only been to a Dealer once for a fuel pump recall, which actually helped with a minor dead spot in the top end of the rev range. The only complaint I have is Fiat cheeped out on a TPM system on the Lusso which uses the ABS system rather than dedicated TPM sensors. So it goes off intermittently, but it's easy to reset. I get a lot of compliments on this car and my wife loves to drive it as well. Fantastic gearbox!
Its actually a much better TPMS & its telling you the tire pressure should be checked - not resetting the system every time it goes off ! How do I know ? Because I own a 2016 MX-5 Club soft top. I have a digital pressure gauge & use a air pump connected to the battery. Every season when the temperatures drop drastically there might be an alarm. Easy to check all 4 & fill them to 29.6 psi. Now what I don't like about the 124 besides its engine / clutch / is the upside oil filter ( elemental to boot ) buried under the air intake ! What a frickin mess to change out. Leaks oil in the lower engine compartment.
Softball in your car? I like it brother! Good presentation including the sound effects when you open the roof opening and close!
Thanks for letting me share the cars and some laughs!
@@RaitisRides I am thinking of buying one soon.. Used. But....I am in Cali. : D
Joe you know I luv ya, but those are 12 spoke rims. Great way to keep us on our toes!
I have a 2018 Red 124 Spider Lusso. It has been perfect since day 1, especially with the 6 speed manual transmission. The most fun car I have ever driven, a real head turner. Not a single squeak, creak, or rattle, nor a single mechanical issue since I have owned it. One of the best kept secrets in small roadster convertibles. Made alongside the MX5 in Hiroshima, most Fiat haters think this car is a piece of junk, not realizing that for the most part its a Mazda clone. I own a Mazda CX-5, which I love, but chose this car over the MX-5 mostly because of its stying, and low-end torque (with the 6-speed manual). Not a car for the race track, just a fun car to cruise around in, with Italian sexiness, British sportiness, and Japanese build quality.
I have a 17’ Abarth and just got a 22’ cx-5 🫡
@@noflexzone6170 lol 22 cx-5 owner here looking for an abarth 😂
@@lexus12 I just put up a listing on Facebook marketplace to sell my Abarth 😔
@@noflexzone6170 why the sale?? 😞
The clutch in the Fiats is much heavier in feel to the MX-5. Also the shift pattern feels much tighter / the turbo lag sucks which delays throttle response / plus the MX-5 is lighter feels much more athletic in the turns. Piece of junk ? I would not say that about the 124 Spyder roadster. I drove a 2017 Fiat 124 Spyder Abarth with a 6 speed manual. Then a 2016 Mazda MX-5 Club back to back so that was my feeling on the 124. That 2016 MX-5 Club soft top has a super light clutch / a naturally aspirated engine that gives instant throttle response. That 2016 MX-5 Club soft top sits in my garage for the past 6.75 years.
Mr. Raitis thanks to your reviews I finally bought a new mazda MX-5 rf.
7:04 Holy mother of depreciation, from 30k to 18k on only 13,000 miles...
Might be worth taking a gamble on an older one if it keeps depreciating at that rate for lol
They’ll be giving it away for free before it hits 30k miles.
@@hse6144 Not true, Already going back up in value, at least the 6Speed Manual Abarth version.
@@nelsonperez1577 Yeah they are up well above 20k again. Dunno if that will hold next year though.
@@nelsonperez1577 it's because of the chip shortage, it's selling for just over MSRP now. Since they're only doing 1 generation I think it'll become a very rare car in 10-20 years, same as happening with the old miata's.
lol just sold my wife's 2017 Rav4 hybrid with 95k miles last week. Bought it for 29k new and got 21k selling it to a dealer (no trade in).
Fiat 124: "I am based off the Mazda Miata."
Toyota Supra: "Hold my beer."
Usb down passenger side way down at dashboard where car has glove box down to that
Love the styling. I bet Fiat would have sold more if it kept Mazda’s engine.
what the best would have been is the 1.8 from alfa, but also its really just the transmission being the problem with this one. look at other reviews, they actually flip and say the 1.4 is better because of the manual... also better to mod.
Nah, the 1.8 from the 4c and Punto super sport would be perfect for it
Fiat just doesn't have any brand recognition, at least here in the US. Few people know what Fiat is and the few who do are painfully aware of it's historically poor reliability. It's unfortunate because I think Fiat has come a long way since those times, but they've just never established much of a foothold here. The fact they're kind of known for making small cars doesn't help their case, since that's more of a European trend than it is here in the US where gas is cheaper and bigger is more common.
@@sly9263 all italian cars are viewed as unreliable
They need to up the reliability and ditch ugly designs like the 500
@@sly9263 On the contrary, Fiat has plenty of brand recognition. The problem is that the recognition dates back to the 60's and practically everyone in the USA associates Fiat with "HURR DURR FIX IT AGAIN TONY, FIATS ARE UNRELIABLE". No one wants to talk about the fact that JD Power ratings placed Fiat above the Scion brand, and Scions are bullet-proof Toyotas. A lot of the low scores in car ratings for modern day Fiat have to do with trivial things like hating the Blue & Me sound system or the interiors rattling and being cheap, not actual engine or major mechanical issues. The 1.4l multi-air is a tried and true perfectly reliable engine. I had my 500 Abarth until 70k miles when the clutch failed (and I only declined to repair it because the cost relative to the vehicle's value was not a good investment). Had the cost to repair the clutch been lower, I would have gladly kept the car until it was well and truly dead. It's a miracle for any heavily stressed high boost sports car to have a clutch last that long.
Just got an abarth one last month and ended up moving. Sucks for moving, but it's fun for everything else
I’m thinking to get this 124 but I’m concerning if it breaks, where I should take for the shop since the fiat will stop selling 124 in USA...
FCA will stop SELLING them in the USA, doesn’t mean they won’t service/repair them
You will still be able to get them serviced at a Fiat dealership.
You are 100% corect!
Awesome! Thank you guys!! Do you think 124 is worth to own or lease?
Killing it Joe.
Thanks brother for saying that!
@@RaitisRides You’re welcome man, definitely well deserved.
We liked our first one so much, we bought a second. For the price, you can't beat the performance/look combo.
Yes you can & its called a Mazda MX-5 like Joe says the naturally aspirated engine with a manual is much more fun ! Also the MX-5 Miata handles much better than the 124 Spyder.
Your first statement is an opinion. Your second is demonstrably wrong. In head to head tests with professional drivers, the 124 beats the MX-5 ND. Time after time. The main reason is how the suspensions are set up. The MX-5 has more body roll. While less sophisticated drivers think that makes it feel more "fun", more advanced drivers realize it makes them slower through turns. A fairly common theme amongst pro drivers who have done the head to head tests is that the MX-5 "feels faster, while the 124 IS faster." And yes, the MX-5 will beat the 124 off the line by a small margin. A secondary reason is that, once the turbo is spooled up, the 124 is faster. But neither car is a drag racer. Both cars excel at cutting curves, autocross-type racing, canyon runs, etc. Any good 124 driver will simply keep their revs up and very slowly pull away from the MX-5. I think perhaps that is why you say the MX-5 is more fun - you get to watch the back of a 124. That is definitely a more pleasing experience than watching the back of the less pleasing aesthetic of the MX-5. As I always note however, you can't go wrong with either car; both are very good at what they do.
@@DropTopTees Even Joe agreed with me. The Fiat 124 is slow off the line waiting for the turbo to spool up. Professional drivers ? The video I watched said he loved the MX-5 & beat a Dodge Hellcat by 4 seconds around a race track. Who are these drivers that don't know how to drive ? Don't forget at 5000 rpms your done !
@@ag4allgood Neither car is an off-the-line kind of racer. If you want a drag racer, you buy a different car. MX-5s and 124s are twisty road, autocross style cars. The 124 is slightly better at that type of driving than is the MX-5 ND. Sorry, but it has been tested over and over and the 124s edges out the MX-5 ND. Don't forget, even the MX- 5 ND II has less torque than the 124. And it handles body roll better than the MX-5. Added together, it is slightly faster on a track or canyon run. In reality, the cars are even enough driver skill becomes the biggest factor in a head to head race. However, as I said, in head to head competitions where both professional race car drivers took turns with both cars, the 124 prevails. It is a tad more capable than it's sister.
@@DropTopTees MX-5 ND / ND2 are quicker off the line & will leave the 124 Spyder in the dust waiting for the turbo to spool up. Its also 150 pounds heavier than my 2016 Club soft top. Its throttle response makes it more aggressive & the super light clutch is buttery smooth. My car has the Bilstein shocks so the body roll is minimal. Also has the LSD so both rear wheels give it traction from the stop. MX-5 is a better daily drivers car by FAR ! 😎
I've had the 2017 classica for over a year and love it. Bought it with only 22k miles and it hasn't given me any problems.
I have a red 2017 classica , only drive on weekends, has less than 8 k miles , love it !
Can a 2017 engine fiat work on a 2018 car ?
How timely! I was literally just looking at one of these things as something I might buy in the near future.
I read your mind! Thanks for letting me share it with you!
Loved my 2017 black 124 spider!!!!!! Some ...ch t-boned it at a 4 way stop.
I wholeheartedly recommend this vehicle! I've owned mine for a year now and I love it to death. It's a GREAT ride. I daily drive this and haven't had any issues.
@@Bretana That’s good to hear. I really love the MX-5 RF but I think I prefer the looks of the 124.
@@marcusmcneal7453 I was trying to decide between that car and the 124 Spider. I loved the more aggressive look that the 124 has and ended up going with that. I feel like you can't go wrong with either car.
Great summary of the vehicle. both critical and complimentary. I learned a lot. Thanks
This is a fantastic looking, fantastic driving sports car. Not just for $20k, but at any price. I have a Lusso and hope to keep it until they take the keys from my cold, dead hands. PS - There's additional storage compartments behind the seats for emergency gear. Most owners don't even know the about this!
Yep, not to mention that the comment about fitting "maybe a baseball" in the storage bin is ridiculous. You can fit large books in there with space to spare. Doug DeMuro provided a much more fair and realistic review.
Thanks for telling me this! Ill pick up mid week and check that out!!🏁✊
Are u gonna make review of the fiat tipo and fiat tipo cross anytime soon?🤔(just want to know)
Really good review, thanks - one of the best I have seen on the 124.
If you’re going to be commenting or using it as a Sunday cruiser you can make a case for the auto, but obviously most people will get more out of the stick (which apparently is the manual from the previous gen Miata). Should wake up the engine too, as might an aftermarket exhaust if you can spare the extra $. I’d take this over the same year Miata; I prefer the styling, but the recent Miata’s with their updated engines are a tough comparison. Nice review of course, keep up the great work.
Thanks for sharing that great input!
Imo the powertrain is the weakest part of the 124. After the ND2 revision, I feel like the Mazda 2.0L is just the better engine.
For a first car to learn manual , this car is definitely a great choice . Although I prefer a Miata this is still a great choice
I agree with you!
I drove one today in the mountains of Virginia and loved it!
The only issue I have (I have a 2017 Classica) is getting parts. Someone rear ended me and I'm still waiting for a new bumper. The car's are GREAT! Over 30,000 mi and couldn't be happier....and I had a Miata a few years back, but liked the styling and ride in the Spider much more.
I had a 1979 Fiat Spider....Weber Dual 44 IDF Carburetors and free flow exhaust....I packed everything I owned.... drove 2,000 miles in 24 hrs with ear protection to begin a new life....damn I miss being young and rebellious!
Abarth 124 with bolt-ons and tune absolutely rips, but still wouldn’t get into it above $15,000. It’s an enthusiast car.
Only problem is the dealer network. Never had a good experience taking my Abarth 500 to Dodge-Fiat service centers, stand-alone Fiat shops are dying. 110k driven from DC to LA and back, very reliable and easy to work on. But zero respect from most Dodge and independent service shops.
Back to the 70's for Fiat in North America
You forget
A hidden space of both seats
This is true
Looking at both currently in US (Maryland) . Question for those who own either - how is this servicing? I'm older (62) and remember the old Fix It Again Tony for FIAT - had an RX-7 when i was younger and loved. As I am not a self mechanic I'm wondering what the costs might run on service/maintenance - thanks.
Very good questions.
My son has an Abarth Spider, and at 33000 it needs both rear hubs replacing because the suspension bushes are not available separately.
Thankfully they are covered by warranty because they are almost £4500 to replace. But how long will they last?
That is both gross for cost and mileage. But given the cost, I bet the next time you need them there will be an aftermarket option. Or just burn them out and replace them with polyurethane bushings (preferably greasable to avoid squeaks).
It's definitely fun to drive when I rented it but kind of scary on the freeway because it's so small. Almost had a dude in his suv run me over cause he was sprinting out of the on ramp and slicing through lanes. He didn't see me in my tiny lil spider 😂 Needless to say I had to swerve in the left lane to avoid collision. Anyway, I would buy it. Just wish it had a backseat.
Purchase 2 and splice the frame just enough to have a back seat and make the canvas roof seal
Joe, I would definately buy this over the Mazda version. Although I believe Fiat should have made their own version of this car. The people who want "Italian" do not (usually) want Japonese.
I worked for Fiat in 1978-80 and sold 124 Spiders brand new in NorCal. They were around $10k and that was considered expensive in 1978. ha ha
Thanks for sharing that great input from your experience!
Theres more to the story. This car was supposed to be branded an Alfa Romeo. They teamed up with Mazda because of their bullet proof suspension. Once the deal was made they realized that Alfa had a clause requiring them to be completely built in Italy. At the last minute, to save the deal with Mazda, they badged it a fiat 124 spider.
I have owned one since 2019. Ive owned corvettes and Mazda RX sports-cars and I have to say this is the funnest car I have ever owned. As an added benefit is the attention it attracts. You can see a Miata or a Corvette coming a mile away. Nobody knows what this car is!
@@garyfairfield3682 Here is a bit of history....I sold Fiat 124 Spiders new in 1979-80! I worked for Fiat in the SF Bay Area, just before they stopped importing them. We sold the car new for around $10k. That was expensive in 1979. ha ha Glad you are enjoying yours.
The MX5 has track suspension the Fiat below the abarth is suspension tuned for control so it is softer.
I just purchased this car and am getting it tomorrow. Super excited :) I'm trading in my c300 for this. I think this will be a lot better on gas.
That is so awesome! Congrats!
Beautiful car, IMO much better engine than Miata, Fiat hit a home run with production of this car. HOWEVER, They totally screwed up the marketing. Some of us real car guys and gals didn't even hear about this car the first year it was available in USA. Lousy dealership support also; spotty, a few good dealers, but most were more interested in supporting Jeeps and Dodge trucks. Marketing and support failures is why production stopped. I have mine! So glad I bought it when I did. More fun in a car than I've had in decades. Mine is modded some and is like a go-cart on the street and autocross course.
What model of the 124 was this?
Classica, Uburna, Lusso, Or Abarth?
Lusso
You should find a Toyota Yaris GR to review!
If only we had access to that car in the USA.
Even though it was a niche product, this is the only competitive car they had here. With this and the 500 gone, they’re basically done unless they come up with something else. The 500X and 500L won’t cut it. It’s too bad.
I really appreciate your great input!
Why does the fiat have the same display like Mazda
Cuz it's basically a Miata with an Italian body shell on top of the chassis.
Keep going do the business of your channel 💯🙏
You are the man Jimmy!
The original 1966 Fiat 124 Spider did NOT have the power buldges on the hood. They came much later in the production run.
When I can get a used Abarth for $10k and put a bigger turbo and tune on it, I probably will get one for a weekend fun car.
Now we are talking Dave!
You can’t unless you’re looking for one totaled!
@@paulyakaitis3352 That’s why I said “when”. Every car runs through its depreciation curve. You can find these under $15k sometimes already.
I'm torn between this and same year Miata. i prefer the Italian styling of the Fiat, but I'm worried it's not as fun to drive as the Miata. This is such a good looking car!
I know how you feel!
a brother from a different mother (Miata).......
Hi Guys
Is there any difference between the 2016 and the 2017 Abarth Spider?
Thanks
Phil
Would be cool wirh a metal folding antenna
This is true Anthony.
I can't wait to buy mine.
Looks like under steer?
Teak or rosewood steering wheel for me
That would looks so classy!
From engine stand point I’ll go the Mazda route? Data? This 1.4L Fiat Turbo is one of the most reliable engines ever built!
If you already have a daily use car, maybe it would worth the risk.
I own this Lusso (manuel 6speed)
in red..sorry..passione rosso😁
and silber mirrors. 10 spoke wheels and the classic 4 spoke wheels(for winter and summer).
I love my car...and it is fast enough 😉.
Next year trip to italy💓 again.
Greetings from germany, the country without speedlimit😎👍
(why americans buy cars with more than 50 Horsepower, when the speedlimit is 60mph🤔)
A future collectable.
Speakers suck in the Lusso! Still love the car!
Morning Joe! FCA vehicle! LET'S GO!!!
You’re just quizzing us, aren’t you Joe?? At 3:40, you said “10 spoke.” I had to pause and put my glasses on hahaha, because I counted 12 spokes. You must be doing some of that “new” math that they’re teaching nowadays 😂😂
Review the Fiat 500 Abarth it’s a fun car!
So very true!
Looks alot better than a miata to me
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one James.
I agree. I like the new miata. But it's styling Is a little bit too aggressive. But then again I think all new styling is too aggressive.
Quick question guys the engine and transmission are all Japanese made ?
Engine is fiat own engine.
That was the most melancholic “On throttle” 😭
Look at this pint sized Italian whip huh!!! I really do like them. Thanks for the review here Joe!!! Are you gonna win any drag races with this thing?...if your on throttle reaction is any indication, nope... It strikes me more of a cruiser than a bruiser. #RaitisRides #OnThrottle #ToTheDoorPanel #TwinkiesForDays #OnThrottleAgain #LoriGotAngles #CameraQueen #Zonkmeister #OnThrottleAllOverThePlace #IfYoureReadyImReady #Fiat #124Spider
You are so very right about that!
It was never meant to be a drag race car. It is a canyon carver. That said, if you invest a bit of money, switch to forged internals and bore and stroke it, it will be a totally different type of beast.
Yes the fiat 124 spider makes a great preowned vehicle with japanese reliability to boot. This is a great convertible for people who just want a sporty looking convertible just like the original. The vehicle was never a hot performer. It was a pretty 2 seat convertible.
I bought a '23 MX-5 soft-top not long ago, and while I love it, I do prefer the looks of the Fiat. It would be sweet if the Fiat had the 181 hp engine of the Miata.
Eagerly waiting for the 124 spider abarth I'm supposed to get cone in next week ._.
i thought i recognized this place 😂 Yessir glad theres sum Tampa youtubers
Anyone else notice the black smoke when it was started and for a while after? Wonder if that’s due to the carbon build up? Curious about that as I’ve. Ever seen black smoke in a car when it’s started on his channel prior. I’ve heard people say the fiat has more torque available around town than the miata as it doesn’t need to be wound out all the way everyone like the miata 🤷🏻♂️
Good eyes!
This car looks gorgeous!
so......is it worth the risk if it is a manual? Cause I am looking at new and used as well as Miatas and like the styling on this one better. Since the pandemic is limiting my ability to test as often as I otherwise would UA-camrs are being my eyes, ears and "feel"!
Still love convertibles so much like this one and my dream convertible. And to be honest in my opinion, it looks a car that 16 year old kids could probably use to get to school or college on their own. and If I did have a convertible as my car, then I would have some fun going to school or college by myself.
I would say "Yes!!" but I own one so I'm probably biased lol
LOL! Thanks for sharing that input.
Oh no they’re gonna stop production of this car?!?!
Yes sir!
Actually, production stopped in early 2019
It’s 2024. I own a 2019 124 Spider with the Lusso Plus trim. The Plus includes a 9-speaker Bose system. Also, the 6 speed manual transmission is much better, and gives it plenty of exhilarating zip. Plenty of “nimble”. I love my 124 Spider - in Mare Blue Metallic paint! I bought it in 2023, one previous owner, impeccable service record, 26k miles. $24k
Don’t buy an automatic! Long live the left pedal! A lot cooler than the Miata!
It still amazes me that after all these years people still shit on this car without even knowing where it comes from...
Tell ‘em to try and find one! I just bought a 2020 used with 12000 miles. Love it just love to look at it!
why does the screen flicker?
It's just how LED lighting is picked up on camera.
Damn i love this dude take on storage. A softball… if you like driving around with a softball lol
That styling! Just find a 6 speed manual
AGREED! Plus make it an Abarth
@@RaitisRides I purchased a 6 speed 2017 Abarth and added some much needed business (like 50 more HP) also fully spec. Best decision I've made for under $20Gs
I kinda like this 124 and I like the price and the smart easy to use top. I don't care much for the auto and with 22lbs of boost I doubt that much more could be pulled out of that small motor which is the deal breaker. Had they given this some real power they might still be selling them.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on them.
The only downside is how much is FIAT ?
How much is it?
The best watches in the car industry on this channel
Thanks Issac for saying that!
That’s a good question. I am not sure Joe but possibly. It’s certainly a good looking car also but I would be afraid of the reliability and ability to service it with Fiat pulling out of the US market. 🤔
Fiat reliability is an incredibly massive Zonk before I even watch the video
Hence is is worth the risk to get a good deal?
@@RaitisRides Imo the Miata would be better and more reliable.
@@UProductions457 10000000000000000000%
Wonderful cruiser