What does it take to install an elevator in a subway station?
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2019
- With our new capital plan, the MTA is committed to making sure stations with elevators are available every two stops along train routes. Learn more about our capital program at: new.mta.info/2020CapitalProgram
That's the strongest NY accent I've ever heard.
I'm elevatin' heaaaa!
that's a lot of ele-vators!
You clearly don't live here.
It's actually not a strong accent at all lol. There are much stronger ones and honestly accents are cool. So embrace accent diversity and regional accents
You don’t live here then, I have heard _a lot_
damn that ny accent tho
It's amazing. Can we just embrace regional accents and not shame them
can you stop spamming the comments thanks
He sounded like an Italian mobster.
CK Explores NYC that’s not true
The New York accent is not even Italian, it's descended from a specific southern English accent. People only think it's Italian because of movies. It doesn't even sound Italian with it's lack of 'r's. Sounds more Bostonian and British. His accent isn't even that thick.
This is one the best MTA produced videos ever. Very accurate, well illustrated. Not mentioned is the brutal operating environment and 24/7 service requirement for which these machines must be designed.
Totally agree. Broke it down in layman's terms.
I love how they are not afraid of the comment section either.
plus homeless people
NYC has incredible lack of natural land, so a lot of planning and accurate permit plans are crucial. We SERIOUSLY do not need another '84 incident!
@@XSilver_WaterX Central Park: Am I a joke to you?
I love how I just visited NYC for the first time and UA-cam is all like "HEY I HERD YOU LIKE SUBWAYS, HERES SOME MTA VIDEOS" 😂
Love hearing the NY accent 👌🏾
Thank you
That guy should do some voice acting.
Millions of people have this accent. If only the NY accents wasn't so stereotyped
Installing an elevator for the MTA subway is important because with more elevators installed in New York, more humans with strollers and/or in wheelchairs can access themselves to using an elevator to get to their floor (whether it's for going somewhere and/or to catch the MTA train to arrive without leaving any disable human waiting for the train to come in any MTA station or wait for any train to arrive on time).
Without elevators, people in wheelchairs will miss their trains and have the struggle time taking the stairs and they can actually hurt themselves. No one can't help them. : (
You’re probably asking yourself “why do I need an elevator my kneecaps work just fine for the stairs” but I’m here to say what if your kneecaps were broken? You get where I’m going?
J J Hahahah!
LOL.
That's the most Brooklyn accent
No one:
UA-cam Algorithm:
Thank You for your favor and I know you have done so much work in the MTA system.
If you think about it, adding an elevator to the 242nd St 1 train station would also be a head start for a cross-Bronx subway line
Yeah Van Cortland definitely needs an elevator but, where would they fit it?
On there new plan to add elevators to over 70 stations in the system 242 is one the stations that would get one
@Darby I didnt think of that to be honest, maybe they'll put an elevator on the side where the park is.
@@matthewhernandez8342 yeah I figured they'd just redo the stairs on the park side for 242. Easier than a lot of stations because it'd only need the one elevator.
A cross Bronx subway line would never start so far up north in the Bronx. Something that follows the alignment of the bx12 sbs would be better
2:38 “To sort things out with everyone involved”... 💰🤝
Why did he sound like he was threatening people 🤣
@@michaelkirschner
"Push a bottom"? Some sort of unwanted touching?
Paul Kennedy when the boss tells you he needs you to push a button
@@michaelkirschner
Did you think you typed "button"?
Awesome video. I appreciate the updates and explanations. Glad to see things moving along.
At least Gun Hill Road on the Dyer Line is getting elavators
Yeah but thats not the MTA fault it didn't have elevator when it was built as the Dyer line predates the MTA/IRT.
Alrucards Ik.....most elevators today weren’t built till after 1990 with the Disablities Act Of 1990, and the Gun Hill Branch definitely didn’t get any, with Gun Hill being the first to get some
Why did I watch this? I've never even been to America!
Please do a video of the Phase 2 Second Avenue Subway !!!
Watch the video. Its not like they can just snap their fingers and an elevator appears out of nowhere. Im involved in elevator installations in MTA. Its a political nightmare. You gotta call everybody and their mother to come and move their utilities out of the way (not like you can take Con Ed's cables and move them yourself.) A bunch of city departments need to get involved; DEP, FDNY, NYPD, DOT, Utility companies; Con Ed, ECS, Verizon, etc, etc. The location of the elevator requires a large footprint for construction staging, excavation, limited access zone, sidewalk closures, traffic lane closures, parking lane closures, re-arrangement of pavement markings, traffic signals, etc. If any construction will be in front of some restaurant, they will complain that they are losing business, residential buildings will complain about the noise, slum lords will complain that the construction is causing their buildings to vibrate and get damaged. God forbid you need to install the elevator where somebody parks their Halal cart.Subway riders will complain that the construction of the elevator is disrupting their commute.
At the end of the day, you go through hell to build a moving porto potty for the homeless, and a playground for vandals. which costs millions to build and millions to maintain because New Yorkers are fucking animals that can't have anything nice.
read this essay. I can agree with it. sadly, many new yorkers can't see a bright future
Broadway Junction, Queensboro Plaza, 149th St-Grand Concourse, and Loimer St/Metropolitan Av Stations
This is an epic video, thanks for making it!
If MTA was smarter, they'd monetize this.
Seems like they're not able to get monetization on this video because the other videos have it. Might be some advertiser problem that UA-cam commonly has because it's kinda dumb.
You make virtually nothing off monetization.
@@MattSezer Better than not making anything.
@@BenTheMiner At most it would cover the cost of lunch for the crew during one of the interviews that they shot for this video. Also, being funded by the city, there might be legal issues with making advertising related revenue. Remember, the MTA had that whole controversy about the Anti-Islam ads on the subway. The cost of even a few minutes of a lawyer's time consulting over this is more money than you'd make off thousands of views.
@@MattSezer I make $1,300 or more per month, which is almost what I make at my day job.
Some stations like Whitehall St or Bedford-Nostrand Aves on the R/W and G, respectively have a center track for short-turns between two narrow island platforms, which makes installing an elevator extremely difficult, if not impossible, not to mention, it’ll cost more building two, one for each (narrow island) platform. However, installing an elevator may not require track relocation and platform widening like E 105th St on the L would. The center track at the first two stations can be covered up to fuse both platforms into one wide island platform like the one on the 42nd St Shuttle at Grand Central to make room for elevators. The disadvantage to this is that short-turns will no longer be possible but I think accessibility is more important.
I’m elevatn’ ovah ere
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Can we stop the cliche stuff
5 years! That's brutally optimistic!
I feel like step 2 can be skipped at an elevated station
We're doing that in Montréal too. Takes forever!
Here’s a crazy point. London is not complaining about the problem and is just working on fixing the system far older than the NYC one
Nobody asked.
When did explaining a problem become complaining in your mind ? When did showing some progress in another city with more issues than age become not valid to you ?
4:05 Install ramps instead of elevators if there’s enough room for their spiral or zig-zag path and not too much height difference. It’s not only cheaper and quicker but also doesn’t increase electricity bills or require extensive maintenance.
I wanna see how they manage to make the curved platforms of the 2/5 in the Bronx accessible because even with elevators installed, they still aren't fully accessible and there isn't a way to straighten the platforms without building whole new stations and no, moving platforms doesn't make a station accessible.
Steven Ouellet Well, they could move the platform at one end to a straighter section, closing off the curved section to passengers.
JeremiahC99 not possible with many of the stations out there, they’re wedged between buildings, and many are situated right in the middle of S-curves, so no station is able to be moved to be straightened
Steven Ouellet Well I was referring to the elevated stops on the 2/5. However, it is parallel bu a few buses for the most part. For example, for 174th Street and Freeman Street, the nearest stop with elevators and ADA accessible is Simpson Street. To get there, the Bx19 bus would be the best option. For East 177th Street (West Farms Square), the nearest stop is East 180th Street, so to get there, take the Bx21.
Like *Jackson Avenue* & *174th Street*
Also, *E 149th Street* on the 6 line (which is planned to get elevators).
JeremiahC99 pretty sure that’s well known...
They are making elevators at Livonia Ave/Junius St (L/3)
I've been on crutches for 2 weeks. Getting in and out of the Subway to go to work has become the stuff of NIGHTMARES. My heart goes out to anyone with mobility problems that actually has to get anywhere. I lived in Berlin for almost three years. Getting in and out of the U-Bahn was a breeze... and that system is 2 years older, in a city that was completely bombed out in WWII. Stop making excuses, MTA. Find the money and FIX IT.
It's not an excuse, but nyc is old and the system was not fully destroyed by like a bomb. so elevators are still hard to install
The London underground is still struggling even after the promise during the 2012 Paralympics to be the most accessible games. BTW Here's one for you, did you know the first underground station in London was Baker Street, What was the point in that? Where could you go?
Errr.. the first line was from Paddington to Farringdon and the Tube is still doing well accessibility wise despite its age.
@@nsikanedung3277 The first line yes but actual station was Baker St in the 1860s.
@@lenmarfox2947 "The 3.75-mile (6 km) railway opened to the public on Saturday 10 January 1863. There were stations at Paddington (Bishop's Road) (now Paddington), Edgware Road, Baker Street, Portland Road (now Great Portland Street), Gower Street (now Euston Square), King's Cross (now King's Cross St Pancras), and Farringdon Street (now Farringdon)." - they all opened on the same day...
You don't people with disabilities in subways they have vans.
493?
It is not only elevators or ramps that are needed. What about level boarding? Make sure all platforms are level with the train floor and that the gap isn’t too wide! If not, the platform should be renovated. It’s expensive, but it’s necessary to allow solo wheelchair users to get on and off the train safely.
I feel like MTA got sued so many times they put out this video
Paris is about as old and way less accessible. Besides one line, it pretty much requires being able to stand to use.
Even for the non-accessible off peek sometimes the stairs are just too much and you wish there was an elevator.
tbh they have been making small changes in nyc subways and i've ntoice
Maybe the time to build a lift would be cut shorter if we turned to the more high speed MRL systems instead of the regular hydraulic and traction systems !
This’ll help me with public transit in New York because I have Cerebral Palsy.
Did they say 493 subway stations? I thought there were 472?
493 if stations within complexes (like Times Sq, Grand Central, 59 St-Columbus Circle, etc.) are counted individually.
472 if stations within complexes are counted as one entire station.
493 including Staten Island; 472 excluding. Complexes are multiple counted.
@@Abstractt counting complexes DROPS the amount to 424, they counted the Staten Island Railway
@R1-R9 Subway Car 100 unused stations don't count, I don't see how that makes any sense. But if you want to consider those, it only brings the number to 481
Boston had the first subway in the U.S. September 1, 1897 to be exact. And London was the first to have a subway in the world around 1863
What does it take? Idk, maybe the law that requires you to (the ADA, which you didn't follow) anytime you renovate a station. :)
Ha! Then they wouldnt renovate the stations.
Brighton beach should have a couple of elevators
I agree. It seems fit as the closest accessible stations are Kings Highway and Coney Island. As they stated, nobody should be more than two stops away from an accessible station, and with Brighton Beach becoming accessible, that would make the statement true for the lower portion of Brighton.
I've heard that Sheepshead Bay is getting some.
@@michaelmorales1475 Correct. I didn't know that until after I posted my reply.
I'm walking here!
Stop this cliche stuff. Don't mock people with accents. We should embrace regional diversity
So what this video is telling me is that disables need to stick to access a ride
James jones No.
JeremiahC99 why not? They just said they can’t put elevators in every station.
James jones They are looking into escalator alternatives to make the stations accessible, such as ramps, and a possible inclined elevator.
In NYC there is a lot of rock to cut through.
Why don’t they just have one elevator shaft which skips the mezzanine and have a ticket machine on the platform e.g just as you exit the elevator.
Ayden Burgoyne This May work on some of the stations, such as stations on the Nostrand Avenue Line, since the fare control is on platform level (no cross passage between platforms)
However, at other stops, it would be logistically impossible due to the narrow platform.
JeremiahC99 yeah that makes sense. My original idea was to have 1 ticket gate that is the width of the elevator and only allow use by people who need it.
They should think about putting tap and go systems in place to they don’t take as much space
Ayden Burgoyne The only place that this could POSSIBLY work is City Hall on the R line, since fare control is already at platform level, so only one shaft overall is needed.
This seems as a perfect use for a ThyssenKrupp Multi Elevator
That would be stupidly expensive
Or Otis Gen2.
It takes a lot of effort.
Anyone ever try getting to the number 7 train from the port authority bus station ? ............. Man, try it for around 2 years daily and I'm sure you will be a Olympic star !!! That tunnel with the dips and slides along with the stairs will definitely get you in shape.
J Polar The passageway between the 8th a Avenue Line and the rest of the complex is not accessible. Your best bet is to exit the subway at the 7th Avenue entrance and walk along 41st Street to the Port Authority.
@@TheRailLeaguer .........I take the train home from Penn station now for around 4 years. What are they doing to the tunnel? This is the first I've heard of it.
J Polar What tunnel in Penn Station? Are you talking about the under river tunnels or something else.
@@TheRailLeaguer ......No, the tunnel that you walk tru when you get off of the C train at the port authority and then I had to walk for around 4-5 minutes to transfer to the 7 train going to Flushing . It was all underground.
J Polar Thats the one I was initially referring to. i have no idea what it going on there.
Why can't you build slanted elevators? This might be a lot easier. It's been done at Greenford tube station in west London.
Even then it could still take more time and be more complex, especially if it needs to be in an area the MTA or the city doesn’t own. Hudson Yards was easy because it was in open air on city-owned property.
There's one at 34th Street - Hudson Yards & it's slow as hell lol.
@@michaelmorales1475 I think my point is that you can convert an existing stairway/escalator into a slanted elevator, so it wouldn't take any more land (and as was done at Greenford, and also for the Tyne cyclist/pedestrian tunnels though less successfully; both ends of the Tyne cyclist/pedestrian tunnels also have conventional elevators).
@@seprishere That would be interesting to see, especially for an Elevated Station.
@@michaelmorales1475 Greenford station is elevated, on a fairly high viaduct. It does have a fairly wide plaform though (as this serves three tracks - two London Underground tracks which continue through, and a National Rail track which terminates). This may be the difference.
A fairly common plan for Tube stations is to have three escalators, or two escalators and a stairwell, between a ticket hall level and a circulation level. This would lend itself well to an inclinator. Separate conventional elevators might still be needed to get down to platform level. Street to ticket hall may or may not benefit from an inclinator depending on precise layout.
Plenty of Tube stations used to have (conventional) elevators, though not usually all the way down to platforms, which were decommissioned in favour of escalators at a rather different location; alas the old surface station buildings have generally been sold off. The elevators were provided because of depth, not accessibility (i.e. London was building *deep level* Tube lines before the NYC Subway started).
Interesting.
After figuring out the three S’s can you figure how to keep the homeless from using it as restroom and other aliased activities. Isn’t there cameras in the the elevators?
It's hard to find who are homeless past the turnstiles if they actually pay the fare.
I feel like I’m being extorted when that one guy speaks.
How?
Maybe... you don't pay protection.. maybe you break legs... tragic accident... now you need elevator to ride subway.
Can u stop stereotyping accents
THE SUBWAY IS ICONIC BUT IN DESPERATE NEED OF MODERNIZATION.
Well said
Stop peeing in these treasures!
It’s ironic that the elevator was invented years before the first NYC subway station and decades before the majority of the subway system.
I just got one build here recently where I live 62 st thank you changed the whole Old station as well !
If you think that's a strong NY accent you should hear the guy who does the OMNI update videos!
It's not even that thick. We should embrace regional accents, New Yorkers should actually have this accent
0:49 Is that seriously what they've done at that station?
I can see the platforms are narrow. (About 4.5 m, given that the whole station is only 20 m, on google satellite image.) But putting those things there has left far less than 1 m to the edge of the platform. There's no way that would be even close to complying with standards. Are there no actual regulations? Even if there aren't, the first court action for injury sustained there is going to be bad news for somebody.
Welcome to the MTA where logic goes out the window. This is the same agency that rebuilt an entire train station without elevators in Queens to than knock down the station less than 5 months after to rebuild it with elevators. Why do it right the first time when you could keep doing it wrong
I’m not from nyc but from what I can see, the doors are pointing towards the roofed section of the platform so I’m guessing they are at the end. No one is allowed to pass there but they should implement some sort of gate to keep passengers away
@@TheANCgamer
Well, I hope so. That's what's usually done where they have to be installed on a narrow island platform.
It doesn't look like it.
There's no barrier, as you say. (Something mounted on springs to the side of the new structure would be usual.)
There's no sign of a sign.
The yellow, tactile safety line indicating the edge of the platform continues past the structure. This sends all the wrong signals (if passengers aren't allowed/expected to pass).
It's quite unusual for metro stations to have platforms that are so much longer than the trains that stop at them.
@@paulkennedy8701 They are at the end of the platform: ua-cam.com/video/crYrAq9fg8I/v-deo.html
At that station, all of the elderly are boarding in the middle of the train, so it is better to have the elevator doors point to the middle.
Here in New York we got the best pizza!... And a whole lotta elevators!!
spoiler alert:
the first subway opened in Boston, 1800s.
Edit: but then it was abandoned in the 1960s
HQRobloxandBlocksWorldandMinecraft BOSTONIAN HERE
There are only 472 stations
This makes the case for new 21st century era modern elevated systems like Philly's market street EL where they built from scratch six stations and 3 miles of track for under one billion. Clean, quiet, affordable and effective. They should take one lane of 2nd and or third and elevate the SAS to downtown.
Second Avenue used to have elevated trains back in the 50s I think. They dont want elevated trains in Manhattan though, too many people would complain.
@@matthewhernandez8342 Unfit for New York's infrastructure as well. Elevated lines used to be everywhere in the past though, because they didn't want to dig tunnels. There's really no choice now.
@@matthewhernandez8342 yes, it was, the last EL was the 3rd Ave in the 50's, there's footage on youtube. It's is a long story. But times and attitudes have changed and so have the technologies and building methods. If Queensboro Plaza is any example, elevated subway is in NO way a hindrance to development, or value, it's a boon. IMO they should have run a two track EL down 2nd and 3rd, directionaly with traffic and provide local and express service. At the end of the day, while NYC is in a cyclical growth period, they really need to set some precedent that they will build transit FOR the people in an economical way or we will never see anything more significant than what was built from 1900-1934.
@@BenTheMiner I'm pretty sure they can do it, look at Chicago. All of their trains are elevated in the city center. Also I feel like building an El is cheaper than building a subway.
@@oldunion Those days where they built 80-90% of the subway lines in 30 years is over my friend. It costs millions just to extend the subway 1 damn stop like the 7 at Hudson Yards.
Henry schober is true a New Yorker
Umm so were not talk about almost some these station are not connected with uptown platforms and downtown platform. They should because no one wants to walk across the street and use up another ride
Cross There isn’t enough crossover volume at some older stations to justify spending money for a crossover. The only station that I can see being the next candidate for a crossover is Church Avenue on the Nostrand Avenue Line, due to high volumes of riders at these stations.
In addition, not a lot of space exists for one.
@@TheRailLeaguer damn but which Church Avenue & Nostrand Avenue ?
Cross The one served by the 2 and 5 trains.
Old bmt/brt and old Manhattan elevated stations:am i a joke too you
He sound like I think it’s Harry from home alone
New York City will have a problem in 20 years in regards to infrastructure. The Subway system is not assessible to disabled people. Not to mention, many NYC buildings are old and this creates a mice problem, as well as a failing electrical problem. The city needs to invest heavily now to prevent this.
Ok so not being a New Yorker and have never ridden a subway how have people with disabilities been able to ride in the past...........just asking
cartman4885 mainly bus transportation. I rarely see someone in a wheel chair on the train itself. There are very few stations with elevators so you would probably have to get off at one of those stations and still take a bus (that has a lift to take the rider into the bus)
Back in 1940, we didn't give a shit about the handicapped. We called them cripples. Good times
In short, about 20-30 million dollars, months of environmental studies (for who knows why) and even more months of construction which looks delayed most of time going over-budget even due to scrupulous contractors.
This will take a billion years for MTA to do this lmao
EDIT: JeremiahC99 Ok Boomer
let's see you do it
on your own.
PickleBetard A.K.A Pickle Rick's Fatass Cousin That joke is getting too old.
PickleBetard A.K.A Pickle Rick's Fatass Cousin You’re getting too old.
PickleBetard A.K.A Pickle Rick's Fatass Cousin Calm down dude
they are literally doing this RIGHT NOW!
They need to be clean. Maybe not only having them constructed we also need restrooms for all people to use 24/7
Yeah, or else it'll end up like my city, where people'll use the elevators AS the restrooms!
Too bad Robert Moses isn’t around. He’d have all this done in 2 years
That guy sucked
In new york the subway dont steal from you
You steal from the subway
This is interesting, but I think the majority of passengers are more concerned with *MAINTENANCE*, *UPKEEP*, *UNINTERRUPTED SERVICE - 24/7 RUNNING* of elevators (and escalators)!
I avoid MTA elevators because they are extremely slow and often out of service.
You forget a public toilet
the only legal nyc transportation faster than the 4 train is a helicopter
You don't need elevators
Millions of dollars.
a disabled person having to go two stations to get home seems extreme, ADA should apply to all stations. as populations age and disabled people integrate into society the need for accessibility will grow substantially
Lildizzle420 The start is 50 stations so that folks are no more than two stops. In addition; these stops are connected by bus service in some cases.
They wanted that within 5 years. They never said they would stop after that.
I'm so early paternosters are still a thing
0:30
That’s not a good enough excuse
London is the oldest in the world and most stations are accessible.
Metro systems are built diffrent. That's why London cant run the subway around the clock.
That is great that they are putting elevators but every time I see them fixing something I always see two or three people working. While 10 people are standing watching the two or three working. One is drinking coffee and some are on their phones.
It fucking took you like 5 years just to install a elevator on the 62nd St subway station on the D line...
It might be old but all elevate trains stations should have them
You should pay attention to the video.
BenTheMiner - Transit & Games I listen but let’s be real it not rocket science when the train stations are closed and they are redoing the subway station. Look at the N line . They are finally adding one at Astoria boulevard after an outcry from the Community and local officials.
@@tdadp Like I said, pay attention to the video. You missed the part where they mentioned all the difficulties and time it takes when it comes to installing elevators.
BenTheMiner - Transit & Games it’s not difficult to add an elevator to Astoria line the MTA extending the sidewalk out where their was once a bus stop .. it’s not about how to built it it’s about the money nothin more nothing less.
1:06 DANG THATS A SUPER STRONG NY ACCENT
It's not really and so what if it is.
I am New York Born and Bred. I still live in Queens. and I haven't had a car for over 10 years now. I depend on New York Mass Transit including the Subways. Personally, I think in stead of trying to build more Elevators- they should be trying to build more Escalators which more people can use. Just make the Escalator Wheelchair or Scooter Chair Accessible. Perhaps, have a special Bell for Wheelchair or Scooter Individuals and when they Ring that bell- A specially trained MTA Employee will come out and escort them on the Escalator. Does anyone else besides from me think sounds like it might be a good Idea?
Why did it take a YEAR to replace an EXISTING escalator at 125th street on the 1 line? It takes a month in a new building.
The other existing escalators are often out of service several times a month with them being completely dismantled for over a week. Again and again.
This looks like a “make-work” mob-owned subcontractor racket.
Not making fun of the guy by any means, but you can tell he doesn’t normally talk in that “proper” way.
What does it take to add an elevator to an 80 year old subway station??.... Fuggedaboutit
I love the MTA posting these videos to both defend themselves for their laziness and lack of money.
To build an elevator it probably takes a while
Definitely
The time they took to film this video they could’ve built 3 elevators by now.
Krish Maharaj This DID NOT take a lot of time to make.
haha we have older subway
Okay...? What's so funny about that?
Y’all put more time into this then making the trains run on time.
Jorge Bush This did not take a lot of time and money to make.
It's "you's" in New York
What you mean for less money?!!! this is why the elevators dont even work half the times in some stations. they need to buy the best and put the best
Either they have many average elevators or very few "best" elevators. Your pick.
It takes money