My issue with this is that on paper it sounds absurd but.. Knights did fight against early blackpowder weapons. And their armor was reasonably effective. Breastplate was still worn into the 1800s by cavalry! Early blackpowder was nowhere near as consistent as modern either It largely hinges on if the pirate connects with his blackpowder weapons to me. Because if the knight closes into melee the pirate is proper fucked
if only the Knight won, for then at the season finale it wouldve been forced into a three way fight between the Spartan, Samurai, and the Knight. Truly a geek dream back in those olden days
mounted cavalry in the napoleonic era would harass and engage massed infantry with muskets... "square formation" was literally invented to be an effective counter to break up a mass cavalry charge because even in the 1800's dudes with guns didn't stand a great chance against much faster dudes with horses and swords
The weapon selection for the knight was a bit off too. If we are going to take consideration for him being dismounted in this case, he would have been equipped with a polearm of some sort such as a poleaxe, as well as a sword, shield, and possibly a mace and dagger. It wasn't unheard of for a pirate to use a pike or rifle, most likely they would have been equipped with a blunderbuss or a brace of pistols alongside his Cutlass or boucan knife. If the pirate gets a good shot shot off with his long arm he may stand a chance. Otherwise I would give it to the knight.
Yeah, if the knight is fighting on horseback (not all of them did) and was able to get a charge going, the pirate's screwed. Even if the gun doesn't misfire, AND connects (no rifling on the barrels, so...) AND is fired at a range where it still has the momentum to penetrate armor+padding, it's not going to down the knight, and hurting him wouldn't be enough. Then you've got a hard object coming at you with the speed and weight of a horse behind it. That having been said, if everyone's fighting on ships, the knight's screwed. It's really not a great matchup for a lot of reasons.
This was the episode that broke me as a kid because of the morning star being relegated to a rude slap upside the head and the blunderbus misfiring in fucking controlled testing, but works perfectly fine when being thrown around on a beach. BULLSHIT, Knight was robbed, JUSTICE FOR KNIGHT
I like they didn't point out that there were knights with guns. That happened. There was a period of time between the British empire didn't have guns and did have guns on mass.
@@TheLegPumpkin There is also the issue that they don't actually always represent era accurate technology but modern versions of it. Like with black powder.
Also there are no recorded cases of morningstars being used in medieval history except for large 2-handed variants used by the horseback equivalent of police in late medieval Germany. They are extremely unwieldy and the entire point of them at all was to *theoretically* get around a shield. The problem is that once the end hits anything, its trajectory is altered and control is lost. The fact that they even chose that as a weapon is stupid as hell.
The craziest episode in terms of warriors was Sadam Hussian vs Pol Pot. Like the concept of giving 2 genocide maniacs from the last century a platform and then having a literal Cambodian Genocide survivor(if he actually is) as an expert is fucking crazy. Spike did not give a damn
Wouldn't be surprised if he was a true Cambodian genocide survivor. I used to work with a guy who fought against Pol Pot's forces and eventually made it to the US as a refugee. He was pretty old but he was one of the best machinists in the shop. He was a quiet guy but could be super hardcore and scary sometimes lol. He was like 5' 3" of pure southeast Asian badass. I bought a bunch of nice tools from him too. He retired not long after I left though. Dude deserved it, he worked hard his whole life and survived a literal war and a genocide. He had definitely seen some shit...
Yeah, the thing is that pirates weren't deadly, highly trained warriors. Most of them were, first and foremost, sailors. Some might have had combat training. And beyond that it was a pretty mixed bag of people who couldn't go home for various reasons, like that they had heavy debts, or would be court-martialed or were kidnaped from Africa by slavers. Probably a few well trained soldiers in there, but mostly not.
The pirate expert saying they were special forces broke me. Ummmmmm no? A pirate is just a sailor no longer working for a government. Privateers during the War of Spanish Succession were basically anyone who had the time, money, and and a ship. Most crews were merchant marine sailors with some navy sailors, plus freed slaves, press ganged sailors, and lumberjacks in a few cases. None of this special anything.
Yea but you’re not taking into account the pirate spirit. They’re no holds Bart-lock stock and barrel. Plus when they were drinking rum their actions became hard to predict. You’re forgetting to take in the hypothetical variables.
It doesn't matter. Several people have tested blunderbuss vs armor and it leaves a softball sized hole in the armor. You don't have to be skilled to shoot someone from 5 feet away
This episode killed me. They tested the guns against JUST plate over ballistic gel. Not plate, chain, AND padding, which would have absorbed a lot of the impact. Plus there is the fact that PLATE WAS STILL USED EVEN WITH THE RISE OF BLACKPOWDER!
Likely using modern blackpowder as well which is much better than the blackpowder that pirates would have used, on top of the pirates powder having potential for getting wet and misfiring.
Especially if you consider heavy cavalry were still used to great effect well into the era of linear musket warfare. A knight is essentially a cuirassier with even heavier armor.
"Historic Experts" could've chosen any number of weapons that a generic knight from a span of like 400 years used an they chose a flail, a weapon no one used.
They also think a "broadsword", which a knightly sword isn't, it's an arming sword, weighs 4-5 lbs. That's GREATSWORD weight range. A knight's arming sword would weight 1.5-2.5 lbs.
@@Mithelen3 They also say pirates used 4 to 6 flintlock pistols. Which well wait a moment. Its a contentious question. Contemporary buccaneer sketches show them carrying a pistol or two in pockets, and a canvas sling was found on the wreck of Samuel Bellamys Whydah, which perhaps worked as a bandoleer. But we have no firm answer and 4 to 6 flintlock pistols sounds rather cumbersome so I doubt it maybe 3 at most. Also also a blunderbuss, which was used by pirates, was actually more typically used by the sailors attacked by pirates since its a defensive weapon.
Yeah, this is the episode that really killed me as a teenager. Half of the time, the Pirate's guns were ineffective or inaccurate, the other half they couldn't penetrate the Knight's plate armor. Then there's the fact the Knight has the better selection of close-quarters weaponry, and is a much better overall fighter. But, yeah, give the win to the Pirate because gun, I guess. Just my rant at this episode. Still love the show, just wanted to throw my two cents in.
@@ksamuel9To be honest a horse might be a negative for the knight. The pirate only gets one shot with the gun either way, and the horse gives a much bigger target for those terribly inaccurate guns.
Yup. I could buy Apache vs Gladiator and Samurai vs Viking, but Spartan vs Ninja was when I started to realize how terrible their experts and verdicts were. This episode cemented it.
A morning star attached to a handle is a morning star, but a flail style of design and function. You are confusing Design with function. Which means this Can be anything from a METEOR HAMMER TO A FLAIL. Stfu and stop. You voted for Biden. Like this video poster did. Stop trying to sound smart.
I said this line to myself as they talked about the pirate's sword. I'm playing skyrim right now for the first time in YEARS and it's such a trip. I'm having a ton of fun.
@@FirActionHotdog Have you ever tried to load and fire a cannon on your own? They have crews for a reason. But we shouldnt be bringing in ships for a land battle, at sea ofcourse the pirate wins by default because the knights armour will drawn him.
Ye pirates have been around in the middle ages and I believe they became more notorious when Europe started sailing to the new world. They didn't narrow down the time period of the knight and just mixed and matched weapons 100s of years apart. The plate armor they use looks like its from the 1300s or so but the type of broadsword they used looks like its from 1100s during the crusade. That's like a US soldier using modern body armor and a musket.
They just don’t do their research. The Teutonic knights fought the victual brothers (a brotherhood of sea thieves) in 1398 And The Knights Hospitaller and Barbary pirates in the 15th century
@@Watchful049 Piracy is a very broad concept, and even if you limit yourself to only people who steal things using boats, the history of that is just the history of boats existing. The so-called "golden age of piracy" that modern pop culture tends to fixate on is mostly just the early colonial era when there were a lot of wars being fought over long-distance ocean trade routes, and hence a lot of naval combat with large quantities of highly saleable cargo available as potential spoils. The nature of military logistics at the time meant most governments had a harder time building ships from scratch for their navies than just hiring mercenaries who owned their own ships. The whole Disney "classic pirate" archetype is mostly based on the relatively small number of these mercenaries who figured out that stealing from people on one side of a war in exchange for a percentage of what you steal is less profitable than stealing from everyone and keeping it all, and decided to become self-employed. It's not like it was a specific style of fighting that you could be trained in or anything. If you want to be pirate, just get a boat, sail up to someone else's boat, and say "gimme all your shit or I'll kill you." If that situation works out well for you, congratulations--now you're a pirate.
This is pretty much a child’s idea of a knight vs a child’s idea of a pirate, they could have very easily given the knight a gun if they wanted instead of nerfing almost every aspect of the knight
They could have just given the knight a crossbow or longbow, in the right hands either one is a lot more accurate than a flintlock and it's a lot faster to reload if you miss.
@@joshwalton25 not to mention late knight armor of good build was bullet proof, the term bullet proofing came from smiths shooting the armor to “proof” the resistance to small arms of the time
"Knights are slow." You sir have never seen a fully armored man sprinting through a forest. They are not slow at all lol. Knight wins 9/10 fights in this scenario, and that one loss is when the pirates black powder is actually dry, doesn't miss and somehow hits the gap in between breastplate and bottom of the helm. Every other scenario the pirate loses abhorrently
A knight would certainly be slower than a pirate with no armor on. Then again knights are trained in combat their entire lives and are in peak physical condition while a pirate is just a sailor, so the knight may be slower at first but could probably run for longer even in all their plate armor.
You probably mentioned this in other videos but fun fact: David Wenham is the narrator of the series and he played Faramir in Lord of the Rings. So kind of a deadly warrior himself...
Faramir didn't do anything in the movies though. He was almost tempted by the ring, then proceeded to lose two battles and was unconscious and almost burned alive while all the real action was going on. Not exactly deadly there, is it?
This was the one episode I got my dad to watch with me and when the pirate shot the knight in the face and he got back up my dad just left, didn't even finish the episode.
This one was painful... so very, deeply, horribly painful. The guns all misfire multiple times, miss their targets from 15 feet, and the blunderbuss took I think three direct hits before it penetrated armour. The guns were given the edge because they're unable to separate them from modern firearms in their minds, when the tested weaponry was legit worse than that slingshot from a few videos ago lol
Knight was the peak battlefield man-at-arms of his time. He has faced black powder firearms and he has WIELDED black powder firearms. In fact, he was still around by the early age of sail. This is not a fight between class of warrior, this is a fight of "Who would win? The guy with less gear and equipment because he's poor or the guy with all of the gear, equipment, and training a wealthy professional soldier can buy?" Knight was robbed. Just because you're from the future and with more advanced equipment, doesn't mean you have enough to best a better equipped warrior of the past. My modern 9mm handgun does not beat a post WWI M2 .50.
Yeah, but tbf the "knight" by the time of the pirate in this episode (so early 18th, late 17th c., not just *any* pirate) was quite literally nothing more than a title. Saying they "wielded" guns to give the impression that 15th c. full plate harness knights with 18th c. blunderbusses is accurate is deceiving as by the time of the pirate "knights" were just lower members of the nobility, and if they *did* go to war them being "knights" was purely coincidental, most sat on some inherited manor somewhere awaiting the dissolution of the noble class across Europe. The "knight with gun" image that people like to think that was contemporaneous with the pirate was something like a dragoon, a half-plate heavy cavalryman who had no inherent connection with knighthood. I think what has happened is that people have seen images of armored cav with guns from the pike and shot days, assumed they must have been knights because "plate=knights" and then hamsterwheeled the rest. The knight in the vid was a late 14th century knight extant prior to the advent of proper blackpowder firearms. The "guns" that existed in his time were literal cannons on a giant pike stuck in the ground by infantry. The arquebus and matchlock mechanism, the forerunners to the blackpowder guns that people think knights were running around with wouldn't even FIRST be seen until over a century later in an insanely primitive form and weren't usable on horseback until the 17th c. (Thirty Years War era) whereby the knight was solidly a social title, not a military one. There is a reason historians from elementary to collegiate place the advent of gunpowder as the death knell for knights (read Crouch for more). They "existed" together inasmuch as guns existed to rip knights apart as the armor required to protect against the rounds was far too inefficient to wear continuously, and in turn their social dominance derived from their military importance waned until it disappeared altogether WELL by the time of the golden age of piracy.
In terms of gun vs armor, I think you overstate the effectiveness of the gun. There’s a reason cavalry wore breastplates up through the Napoleonic Era, they were absolutely capable of stopping bullets. Guns made equipping massed line infantry with armor uneconomical, but for elite units like knights they would have had access to the best armor available.
Were they even bullets back then ? I thought black powder firearms were more lead shot kinda deal, would have also been before rifling so likely not great accuracy.
There are countless breastplates with holes punched through with shot. They were still for the melee and shrapnel from artillery, you weren't meant to take a round head on
Yeah I always thought it was so dumb for a ninja to fight a spartan. Especially with the ninja not sneaking up and killing him or running when he couldn't
I’m partial to Apache vs ninja pirates gun advantage is too strong in the back for blood special he was too strong to be ancient but too weak for modern
@@TheMonkeygoneape lol not really. Samurai have had guns since the Dutch first showed up, and the samurai had things like kanabo to crush armor. Plus they had heavy armor as well.
@@boomboomskidskid They wouldn't have included guns in the matchup. Not only would it be anachronistic (unless they give the knight a gun as well, thus making it a boring gunfight), but guns were primarily used by ashigaru rather than samurai. They definitely would have made it an exclusively melee contest.
This might seem like an obvious match but if a Knight is wearing Plate Armor, Chainmail under it and carrying a metal shield, they could realistically stop the bullets from a pistol and blunderbust.
@@boomboomskidskid Exactly, having a gun doesn't guarantee victory. Hell the Zulu's wiped out a massive army of British Soldiers despite them having guns, cannons and bombs. Against someone so heavily armored those guns are about as effective as slingshots.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105Im like 99% sure that the numbers the zulu took out were super inflated. And the actual fight went as expected with the brits running them over. I could be thinking of the wrong account but I think I am correct.
@pacobell97 that reminds me of the story the Hawaiians love to tell about them k!lling Captain James Cook. But, they always conveniently leave out the part where the Brits came back and massacred their village for it.
Knights also had guns more often than a pirate would. The historical inaccuracies are insane. Even as a kid I thought it was dumb, BUT it’s so entertaining
I love this show, it gives me the unreasonable feeling that I could also be a doctor. Mannequin having half his head obliterated with fist size chunk missing from it´s torso... "oh yeah, that´s a death".
The nostalgia of mid to late 2000s spike tv hits me like the warm embrace of a relapsed alcoholic taking the first shot of whiskey after years of sobriety. I’m not gunna say thanks for reminding me tho
A: pirate v knight was a stupid match up B: the very next episode was ninja v spartan... could have flipped those to knight v spartan & pirate v ninja and both episodes would have been hundred times better.
This episode PISSED me the fuck off when it aired. They did the knight so dirty. When they were testing the penetration of the blunderbuss they only threw on the outer plate. Knights wore chainmail AND heavy gambisons underneath, plus they have shields. None of this was taken into consideration
I remember seeing this episode and getting so pissed that the knight lost when watching the fight. The pirate took a spiked ball and chain to the face and wasn't even wearing armor! I also think this was the only battle where the environment played a role in the finish via the pocketsand
I love how Chris spends this whole video ralking about how we all (myself included) used to take this show too seriously and argue about the winners. And now the comment section is arguing about the winner lol
Man I'm not invested in my "team" like I was in high school, I don't care if the pirates or the knights win. I'm just invested in the proper understanding of history and by extension physics when people are claiming that early firearms are completely ineffective against contemporary armor and that proper steel makes a 16th-century knight the equivalent of a modern tank on two feet. It hurts to see old myths and misinformation being spread, that's all. - Me, coping, and still irritated about the memory of arguments my brother made 15 years ago about why the knight should win
Just so you know for all the hype surrounding ANY gun being part of the matchup, for most of history armor was, if not bulletproof, at least pistol proof. I'm not entirely convinced this blunderbuss could fire through the kind of armor the knight was wearing in this video.
Although to be honest I don't think any of what the experts say is correct so there's that. Everytime it cuts to the show there's like five mistakes per shot.
@@qsywastooshort7451 the knights armor also included much more than just the plate. They removed all the shock absorbing parts which is pivotal for resisting bullet damage. It's the same premise behind modern bullet proof vests. You distribute the force. Plate armor was used historically for centuries after the invention of the gun. Because it worked against bullets of the time. They were letting the pirates use modern black powder which is no joke much much stronger than the historical version.
I doubt that blunderbuss would do much of anything to proper plate with gambeson underneath. Not to mention the knight wouldn't even be that much slower.
Them saying “pirates were trained” is the biggest red flag ever, they weren’t trained for shit they were random guys who stole from people who were completely defenseless and murdered anyone who stood up to them😭
IRL deadliest warrior was probably Simo Häyhä - idk if there's a God, but if there is, Simo aka _The White Death_ sent 500+ soviet soldiers to meet them
Idk how I missed this before but as I was listening I was like “huh, the narrator sounds like Faramir” and then you said it was David Wenham and I’m like how did I, the world’s biggest Faramir fan, miss that he narrated this show?? I legit watched it growing up.
That's why they carried multiple guns to fire off shots. Switching to the sword ahaha it was the beginning of guns, of course they don't reload like today 😂
Actually They were more accurate then we think and an experienced soldier/sailor/ fighter what have you could reload one about twice in under a minute on average
Knights have to wear that very heavy armor and still be quick and agile.. ready to move, kill, and live to fight another day. I choose the knights FTW!
Ninja episode literally had specialty pocket sand weapon (with glass in it) that scored really high on use simluation and the showrunners still went 'nah spartans would just wipe that shit out their eyes.' Equally dumb episode.
I really hate to be this guy. Knights and Pirates existed at the same time, and knights used firearms too. Knights were trained from childhood to death for warfare, and their armor was very effective at stopping bullets from 1500 AD onward. These people are claiming to be experts, and have no idea what they're talking about. Also, a mace is way more effective than a flail, I don't even think knights used them much. Imagine how insane you'd have to be to try to control that from horse back.
I think it was more like a gag weapon than anything. There's very little historical evidence that they ever existed. There's ecological evidence because we have found them obviously. In the historical record their barely even mentioned. Armor started disappearing from the battlefield because firearms could shoot through them.
I've seen some sources that claim the flail wasn't actually even a thing that was used, especially the morning star. Its just way too dangerous to use effectively when so many other things existed.
What I’ve heard about flails is that if you used them for extended periods of time they’d royally fuck your rotator cuff, making them super rare because the guaranteed damage to your body making you a cripple for life wasn’t worth an effect which was at best comparable to using a mace
What annoyed me, is that during the times of the knights, they had gunpowder weapons in the form of hand cannons. Also armor was still effective against gunpowder weapons up until the end of the Pike and Shot era of warfare with the more effective musket.
This was the oddest pairing, and I love how the pirate guys are talking like pirates are trained soldiers. Most pirates were regular ass men lol. In an actual fight with an actual trained knight there's no chance. But the knights can't win because the pirates have guns. Guns win all the time lmao.
"These two warriors have never met in history" even though many medieval kingdoms fought pirates consistently throughout the Middle Ages haha. Its more like the 14th century knight fights against at late 1600s to early 1700s Caribbean/Atlantic pirate.
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They could have at least given the knights a crossbow. I know they were just goofing around and the "historical experts" don't really know much because knights almost never used flails, which this show calls a morning star even though that's not really right; and also the reason why we have so many flails in museums is because they weren't used all that much because they were a nieche weapon that was hard to use and a flanged mace was a better tool. None of that matters much when the other person has guns though; it's almost like the reason why they stopped wearing so much armor is because it became (mostly) useless against firearms.
That would depend on the era of gun. Early guns were really, really bad. Chances are in a one on one fight the pirate would just miss, if the gun even shot at all.
Many of the flails in museums have actually turned out to be forgeries, casting even more doubt over their real life use. Also, firearms being effective (they really weren't that effective) against armor was not the cause of full plate going out of fashion, it was rather the expense. Get a thousand peasants, hand them a musket, train them for 6 weeks, and that is drastically cheaper than training and equipping a single knight. Knights instead became the officer class.
@@Mithelen3 That was the bigger factor, but even nobles stopped wearing armor in battle and the fact that we eventually see armor with a musket shot in it to show it could actually stop one is pretty big evidence that it was a factor.
@osirisatot19 why would breastplate showing they can stop musket shots be evidence of firearms piercing ability being the reason armor stopped being used? The opposite is the logical conclusion. In addition, the musket is a fairly late evolution in firearm technology. We're closer to musket days than musket days were to the first handheld firearms.
The English and French engaged in Privateering (Piracy) against each other for the entirety of then medieval period. Records of Parliament from the reigns of Edward III, Henry IV, and Henry V show them paying ship captains to attack enemy shipping all the time
Who would win: A non-trained nobody, who probably had scurvy, had no training in anything and used mostly fear to win fights or a man in full clad armor, chainmail and paddling with tfaining to fight and a spear/shield/sword... Yeah man, knights would easily demolish pirates and the pirates winning cause "gun" is stupid
Pirates are majority of them were former soldiers, navy men of what ever country served under beforefore hand they were privateer until there service were no longer needed
The knight couldve had a gun depending on if its a knight in the early middle ages or the later middle ages, granted they werent accurate and basically were a small cannon on a stick
@@coletrainhetrick people underestimate the middle ages, I think the first "guns" were used in the 13th or 14th centuries... Pretty sure they were rare up until the 16-17th centuries
The show at least gave a timeframe here. French Knight 1337 so early 100 Years War, and British pirate 1715 basically the peak of pirate activity in the West Indies.
theirs a reason why soldiers still wore knight armor when they got issued guns (matchlock firearms) because the armor was still effective and the angle of the chest plate could potentially deflect the soft lead of the bullet, that was fired from weak primitive black powder that doesn't burn as hot as modern gun powder.
The pirates used in this episode are clearly from the Golden Age of Sail, meaning the 17th to 18th century. They only used blunderbusses, which were outdated weapons by that time, for boarding actions. Their standard firearms were flintlock pistols and muskets, which were far superior to blunderbusses and pretty effective against plate armor. Knights and plate armor were obsolete for 150+ years before these pirates existed. Plate armor was essentially useless by the time pirates were raiding in the Caribbean.
Don't remember this episode but the fact the "historical experts" said "oh let's start with the morningstar" then pulls out a fricken flail! Like brotha that's not even a real weapon that would've been used, it was in more paintings than digs. TWO variations of the flail have been known to be used and exist outside of fiction NEITHER looked like that.
I mean if you put em together they'd kind of look like that but it's still not 1:1 it's not a morningstar Jesus I wish I had've seen this as a kid, they would've gotten some letters.
so just stumbled across this video and paused 14:13 into the video, shortly after the pirate blasts the knight in the helmet. That was one of the places that people would try to get a knight in to kill them if they were completely decked in armor. The eye slits/helmet visor. There's even footage of black powder weapons versus actual armor and the results are surprising.
Even as a young kid who watched this show with his dad and brother, this episode angered me as a medieval history lover. The knight truly would have won, epically in the first few seconds of the fight where he bashes the pirate with his morning star while charging on horseback. The pirate's skull would be gone. At least William Wallace, my hero won his episode. Also, not saying pirates aren't cool or anything, they are, but lets be real here, in a real swordfight we all now who would actually win.
Crazy how innacurate this show was lol, seeing a supposed expert call a broadsword a hacking weapon is pretty funny. It’s literally the exact opposite, knight’s swords were meant to stab into gaps between armor, if they wanted something to bash they’d use the mace. Also the calling the flail a morning star is pretty ridiculous
Ninja vs Spartan was equally a bit dumb because the 'simulation' had the black egg just ruining the spartan's entire day and the hosts still went 'nah, they'll just WIPE GLASS OUT OF THEIR EYES LIKE MEN.' But yes I remember the trailer for Pirate vs Knight and my friend and I went 'that whole outcome is gonna be based on the fucking gun alone, isnt it?'
Not to mention we are talking about two completely different time periods, literally hundreds over even 1000 years apart depending on when you pick out the Spartan. Bronze age vs feudal Japan. They really put too much stock in the whole "Spartans were crazy warriors" nonsense.
The thing that annoys me about this kind of stuff, is it is all just wrong. Plate armor is about as heavy as a modern military kit. Armor wasn't abandoned because it was suddenly ineffective, it was just easier, and cheaper to equip peasants with a gun. In a fight, that will basically only be close range, the guy in plate armor almost always beats the guy without plate armor.
As a Medieval History student and Flail Fanatic, the "Morningstar" segment is so funny. 1. A Morningstar (Real Weapon) has an end identical to what is shown but is a fixed mace. 2. A Flail (Fake Weapon) which is what they show, isn't even a real weapon. It's my favorite fantasy weapon but does not exist and the only evidence of it is in art and "recreations" made depicting the Spanish Inquisition. There's evidence of two-handed polarm "flails" but nothing like what is shown in the show. Their worry about a fighter hurting himself with it is reasonable and the strongest piece of evidence it never existed or at best was only a tool in some torture chamber as suggested by some Spanish Inquisition works. That thing is more likely to kill you or your friends next to you than it is to build up enough moment to kill a guy in front of you.
This episode was bullsh*t from start to finish. They had to nerf the knight for the pirate to even have a chance. The advent of “Gun” shouldn’t have meant much either, since they were underpowered, inaccurate (bullets kinda went wherever they wanted until the invention of rifling), and very inconsistent in that period (as evidenced by the fact that they misfired constantly during CONTROLLED TESTING). A large European broadsword also would’ve snapped that cutlass in two, letting the knight carve him up easily. I’m sorry, but a half starved sailor who predominantly attacked unarmed transport ships would’ve been nonchalantly ripped apart by professional armored knights, who’d been trained in lethal combat since birth. The knight also wouldn’t have been slowed down too much by armor either, since it was specifically made to fit only his body, which would have hindered him very little, if at all.
Knight vs. Pirate from Deadliest Warrior S1 I kind of knew the Pirate was winning due to the fact he had gunpowder-powered weapons while the Knight didn't.
Anyone else play the video game they made for this series? Pirate and spartan were horrifically OP cause literally at the start of the match the spartan could whip a spear and the pirate could shoot you and both were an insta kill with zero counter lmao. Like congrats. You hit two buttons and won the match
What I love the most about this matchup is that it's entirely based on two sets of Fisher Price Knight and Pirate toys from the 90s. I had both and the castle cannon sunk the ship a lot of the time. Just saying.
Bro saying the knight is gone but the pirate still is is one of the dopiest things. There are still knights too, im sure a Knight in the Royal Navy squaring off against some starving Samoli Pirate is going to win.
They were curious if the armor could out do the pirates early gun technology, it was a valid question for them to ask, there are people that argue it makes zero sense how the pirate wins when we see that most of the bullets don't pierce most areas of the armor
@coletrainhetrick the pirate they depict do not have early medieval weapons. The knight they depict are early or middle era. There were early era pirates without guns and late medieval era knights with guns. They put a freaking 16th century pirate vs a 12th century knight. These were not "early guns." The type of gun portrayed would have been loaded with ball bearings and capable of high pressure, much higher pressure than even late medieval guns used by knights. The idea that a 12th century knight or their armor could withstand a point blank 16th century shot is not likely. Armor wouldn't have been made for that until later, a type of v breastplate that uses deflection was used later than knights. Even the best 12th century armor would likely be pentrated and catastrophic damage inflicted by the type of gun portrayed.
@@johnirby8847 The question I have for you would be. Are those armors they tested prop armor or actual combat ready armor? in the case of not combat armor then its like putting aluminum foil and then expecting it to hold up the same. Furthermore you have chain mail as well as padded armor under the plates to deal with. Furthermore, you need to take into account what is being put into the blunderbuss, in both the powder and the rounds being used. are you really sure that everyone who used one of these would put the correct amount of powder in it? if they put to much in then their gun explodes in their hand, to little and it has the power of a puppies slap.
Says the knight gets a morningstar, shows a flail. Says the knight gets a halberd, pulls out a poleaxe. Says the knight gets a broadsword, shows an arming sword.
Whats not brought up is that knights did fight enemies with gunpowder weapons and their armor was made to stop a bullet what eventually killed off the knight was the mass adoption of gunpowder weapons in massed formations, a one on one fight between a knight and a common soldier with a musket the knight wins but 10 nights against 100 peasants with muskets and the musketmen are winning
They called it a morningstar and I immediately had to pause the vid because thats clearly a flail. Morningstars dont flail around-- THEYRE CALLED FLAILS BECAUSE THEY FLAIL!!
1:00 i mean honestly a gun does have longer range than a grenade. You can pick up and throw a grenade back sometimes, but you cant return a bullet youve been shot with
they really dropped the ball on this one, Knight vs Samurai would have been awesome. thanks for the upload, i really like these deadliest warrior videos.
Shorter video today! Will return with longer videos next week! Have a good weekend or don't! I don't care I'm not your dad.
You do know there's a video game for Deadliest Warrior, a fighting game.
Could you be my dad ?:/
Ok Dad
Missed you Dad
Next time you should do the one with the wildest trash talk. Maori vs shaolin
My issue with this is that on paper it sounds absurd but.. Knights did fight against early blackpowder weapons. And their armor was reasonably effective. Breastplate was still worn into the 1800s by cavalry! Early blackpowder was nowhere near as consistent as modern either
It largely hinges on if the pirate connects with his blackpowder weapons to me. Because if the knight closes into melee the pirate is proper fucked
Yeah I was going to say, the knight can even fight pretty reckless and still murder a pirate in close combat
if only the Knight won, for then at the season finale it wouldve been forced into a three way fight between the Spartan, Samurai, and the Knight. Truly a geek dream back in those olden days
mounted cavalry in the napoleonic era would harass and engage massed infantry with muskets... "square formation" was literally invented to be an effective counter to break up a mass cavalry charge because even in the 1800's dudes with guns didn't stand a great chance against much faster dudes with horses and swords
The weapon selection for the knight was a bit off too. If we are going to take consideration for him being dismounted in this case, he would have been equipped with a polearm of some sort such as a poleaxe, as well as a sword, shield, and possibly a mace and dagger.
It wasn't unheard of for a pirate to use a pike or rifle, most likely they would have been equipped with a blunderbuss or a brace of pistols alongside his Cutlass or boucan knife.
If the pirate gets a good shot shot off with his long arm he may stand a chance. Otherwise I would give it to the knight.
Yeah, if the knight is fighting on horseback (not all of them did) and was able to get a charge going, the pirate's screwed. Even if the gun doesn't misfire, AND connects (no rifling on the barrels, so...) AND is fired at a range where it still has the momentum to penetrate armor+padding, it's not going to down the knight, and hurting him wouldn't be enough. Then you've got a hard object coming at you with the speed and weight of a horse behind it.
That having been said, if everyone's fighting on ships, the knight's screwed. It's really not a great matchup for a lot of reasons.
This was the episode that broke me as a kid because of the morning star being relegated to a rude slap upside the head and the blunderbus misfiring in fucking controlled testing, but works perfectly fine when being thrown around on a beach.
BULLSHIT, Knight was robbed, JUSTICE FOR KNIGHT
I like they didn't point out that there were knights with guns. That happened. There was a period of time between the British empire didn't have guns and did have guns on mass.
@@butcherpete2286 Weaponry and armor varied wildly throughout the medieval ages. A knight from one area or era could be very different from another.
That is INFURIATING. The biggest problem on this show was comparing unequal technology, and they had the option to give the knight a gun and didn't.
@@TheLegPumpkin There is also the issue that they don't actually always represent era accurate technology but modern versions of it. Like with black powder.
Also there are no recorded cases of morningstars being used in medieval history except for large 2-handed variants used by the horseback equivalent of police in late medieval Germany. They are extremely unwieldy and the entire point of them at all was to *theoretically* get around a shield. The problem is that once the end hits anything, its trajectory is altered and control is lost. The fact that they even chose that as a weapon is stupid as hell.
The craziest episode in terms of warriors was Sadam Hussian vs Pol Pot. Like the concept of giving 2 genocide maniacs from the last century a platform and then having a literal Cambodian Genocide survivor(if he actually is) as an expert is fucking crazy. Spike did not give a damn
"Hey remember that time Pol Pot murdered your family and almost everyone you love? Yeah can you be an expert about Pol Pot?"
How am I just knowing internalizing this? 😂
Wouldn't be surprised if he was a true Cambodian genocide survivor. I used to work with a guy who fought against Pol Pot's forces and eventually made it to the US as a refugee. He was pretty old but he was one of the best machinists in the shop. He was a quiet guy but could be super hardcore and scary sometimes lol. He was like 5' 3" of pure southeast Asian badass. I bought a bunch of nice tools from him too. He retired not long after I left though. Dude deserved it, he worked hard his whole life and survived a literal war and a genocide. He had definitely seen some shit...
That episode had one of Saddam’s bodyguards I think as an expert too
@@mitchellgeorge6031 i think yes, now that you mention it. Adds to the what the fuckery. The bees consuming the dummies also was scuffed
Yeah, the thing is that pirates weren't deadly, highly trained warriors. Most of them were, first and foremost, sailors. Some might have had combat training. And beyond that it was a pretty mixed bag of people who couldn't go home for various reasons, like that they had heavy debts, or would be court-martialed or were kidnaped from Africa by slavers. Probably a few well trained soldiers in there, but mostly not.
The pirate expert saying they were special forces broke me.
Ummmmmm no? A pirate is just a sailor no longer working for a government. Privateers during the War of Spanish Succession were basically anyone who had the time, money, and and a ship. Most crews were merchant marine sailors with some navy sailors, plus freed slaves, press ganged sailors, and lumberjacks in a few cases.
None of this special anything.
Yea but you’re not taking into account the pirate spirit. They’re no holds Bart-lock stock and barrel. Plus when they were drinking rum their actions became hard to predict. You’re forgetting to take in the hypothetical variables.
It doesn't matter. Several people have tested blunderbuss vs armor and it leaves a softball sized hole in the armor. You don't have to be skilled to shoot someone from 5 feet away
@@431Ardon’t forget the rum factor!
@@431Ar...Are you really using 'fighting spirit' as a serious point of data? 🤣
This episode killed me. They tested the guns against JUST plate over ballistic gel. Not plate, chain, AND padding, which would have absorbed a lot of the impact. Plus there is the fact that PLATE WAS STILL USED EVEN WITH THE RISE OF BLACKPOWDER!
Likely using modern blackpowder as well which is much better than the blackpowder that pirates would have used, on top of the pirates powder having potential for getting wet and misfiring.
@@Quandry1 Ah yeah, good point!
I don't think the plate they would use will be any good. The team uses costume grade armor like in every episode.
Especially if you consider heavy cavalry were still used to great effect well into the era of linear musket warfare. A knight is essentially a cuirassier with even heavier armor.
Spike tv; my go to when I was skipping school smoking bongs and drinking beers. Also trailer park boys.
"Historic Experts" could've chosen any number of weapons that a generic knight from a span of like 400 years used an they chose a flail, a weapon no one used.
Yeah they got a bit weird.
Pirate is fine. Those weapons are all correct. Knight less so.
Also, you'd think the "experts" would know the difference between a flail and a morningstar, but alas.
Knights even had guns in the late medieval era. 🤦🏼♂️
They also think a "broadsword", which a knightly sword isn't, it's an arming sword, weighs 4-5 lbs. That's GREATSWORD weight range. A knight's arming sword would weight 1.5-2.5 lbs.
@@Mithelen3 They also say pirates used 4 to 6 flintlock pistols. Which well wait a moment.
Its a contentious question. Contemporary buccaneer sketches show them carrying a pistol or two in pockets, and a canvas sling was found on the wreck of Samuel Bellamys Whydah, which perhaps worked as a bandoleer.
But we have no firm answer and 4 to 6 flintlock pistols sounds rather cumbersome so I doubt it maybe 3 at most.
Also also a blunderbuss, which was used by pirates, was actually more typically used by the sailors attacked by pirates since its a defensive weapon.
Yeah, this is the episode that really killed me as a teenager. Half of the time, the Pirate's guns were ineffective or inaccurate, the other half they couldn't penetrate the Knight's plate armor. Then there's the fact the Knight has the better selection of close-quarters weaponry, and is a much better overall fighter. But, yeah, give the win to the Pirate because gun, I guess.
Just my rant at this episode. Still love the show, just wanted to throw my two cents in.
And the fact the knight had a horse?
@@ksamuel9To be honest a horse might be a negative for the knight. The pirate only gets one shot with the gun either way, and the horse gives a much bigger target for those terribly inaccurate guns.
Yup. I could buy Apache vs Gladiator and Samurai vs Viking, but Spartan vs Ninja was when I started to realize how terrible their experts and verdicts were. This episode cemented it.
@@ksamuel9 There were infantry knights too.
"A morning star swinging from a chain."
Flail. That's called a flail.
"This Halberd is a devastating POLE AXE!"
That's.. That's because it's a Polaxe, not a fucking halberd!!
THANK YOU! Pulled my hair out when I heard it back then.
A morning star attached to a handle is a morning star, but a flail style of design and function.
You are confusing Design with function.
Which means this Can be anything from a METEOR HAMMER TO A FLAIL.
Stfu and stop.
You voted for Biden.
Like this video poster did.
Stop trying to sound smart.
A Morningstar is a type of flail. “Flail” is a whole category of weapons.
@@ReillyQuizzle I was always under the impression that a morningstar was simply the spiked ball on a shaft, no chain.
You see those warriors from Hammerfell? They’ve got curved swords. Curved... Swords.
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I said this line to myself as they talked about the pirate's sword. I'm playing skyrim right now for the first time in YEARS and it's such a trip. I'm having a ton of fun.
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Nobody is commenting on how the Knight has a HORSE. Literally the biggest advantage he has in that fight.
Or you know, the cannons on boats... they are pretty substantial.
He rides a horse in the Mock-Fight. But yeh it didn't really do anything statistically.
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@@FirActionHotdogone pirate with a single ship isn’t going to do anything?
@@FirActionHotdog Have you ever tried to load and fire a cannon on your own? They have crews for a reason. But we shouldnt be bringing in ships for a land battle, at sea ofcourse the pirate wins by default because the knights armour will drawn him.
They need to combine the shows Deadliest Warrior and Wife Swap, Deadliest Wife Swap. Now THAT would be entertaining...
😂😂😂that’ll be insane
This episode we've pitted the suburban housewife against an indigenous tribal islander wife
Wife Swap Warrior
I like the sound of “deadliest wife swap” 🍿😆
That would be the one where the kid kills his family members
Funny thing about that pirates are still around comment is that they did have a matchup with one, Somalia pirates vs Colombia drug cartel.
“These warriors have never met in history before this show.”
Well that sounds made up.
the hospital knights fought pirates all the time
Ye pirates have been around in the middle ages and I believe they became more notorious when Europe started sailing to the new world. They didn't narrow down the time period of the knight and just mixed and matched weapons 100s of years apart. The plate armor they use looks like its from the 1300s or so but the type of broadsword they used looks like its from 1100s during the crusade. That's like a US soldier using modern body armor and a musket.
They just don’t do their research.
The Teutonic knights fought the victual brothers (a brotherhood of sea thieves) in 1398
And The Knights Hospitaller and Barbary pirates in the 15th century
@@Watchful049 Piracy is a very broad concept, and even if you limit yourself to only people who steal things using boats, the history of that is just the history of boats existing.
The so-called "golden age of piracy" that modern pop culture tends to fixate on is mostly just the early colonial era when there were a lot of wars being fought over long-distance ocean trade routes, and hence a lot of naval combat with large quantities of highly saleable cargo available as potential spoils.
The nature of military logistics at the time meant most governments had a harder time building ships from scratch for their navies than just hiring mercenaries who owned their own ships. The whole Disney "classic pirate" archetype is mostly based on the relatively small number of these mercenaries who figured out that stealing from people on one side of a war in exchange for a percentage of what you steal is less profitable than stealing from everyone and keeping it all, and decided to become self-employed.
It's not like it was a specific style of fighting that you could be trained in or anything. If you want to be pirate, just get a boat, sail up to someone else's boat, and say "gimme all your shit or I'll kill you."
If that situation works out well for you, congratulations--now you're a pirate.
@@Watchful049 Pirates have been around since at least 1400BC when they were first documented regularly.
This is pretty much a child’s idea of a knight vs a child’s idea of a pirate, they could have very easily given the knight a gun if they wanted instead of nerfing almost every aspect of the knight
There's historic precedent for that too, so they *really* dropped the ball on this one.
They could have just given the knight a crossbow or longbow, in the right hands either one is a lot more accurate than a flintlock and it's a lot faster to reload if you miss.
@@nxcrobutcherThe crossbow is more accurate than a flintlock as well. Plus the pirate is wearing no armor.
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@@joshwalton25 not to mention late knight armor of good build was bullet proof, the term bullet proofing came from smiths shooting the armor to “proof” the resistance to small arms of the time
@@nxcrobutcher The knight did have a crossbow in this episode.
This video just skipped over it for some reason.
"Knights are slow." You sir have never seen a fully armored man sprinting through a forest. They are not slow at all lol.
Knight wins 9/10 fights in this scenario, and that one loss is when the pirates black powder is actually dry, doesn't miss and somehow hits the gap in between breastplate and bottom of the helm. Every other scenario the pirate loses abhorrently
Well not according to the simulation by Slitherine Studios
A knight would certainly be slower than a pirate with no armor on.
Then again knights are trained in combat their entire lives and are in peak physical condition while a pirate is just a sailor, so the knight may be slower at first but could probably run for longer even in all their plate armor.
@ninetailedfox579121 A knight would be in a horse with a lance. Nobody can outrun a horse.
@@TheBayzentyes but a bullet can
@@TheBayzent except a canon.
You probably mentioned this in other videos but fun fact: David Wenham is the narrator of the series and he played Faramir in Lord of the Rings. So kind of a deadly warrior himself...
He also played a Spartan with an Eyepatch in 300 so he definitely was a Deadliest Warrior
Not kind of at all. That would be acting
He's also Carl in Van Helsing.
@@kylemendoza8860 he pretended?
Faramir didn't do anything in the movies though. He was almost tempted by the ring, then proceeded to lose two battles and was unconscious and almost burned alive while all the real action was going on. Not exactly deadly there, is it?
This was the one episode I got my dad to watch with me and when the pirate shot the knight in the face and he got back up my dad just left, didn't even finish the episode.
Spoilers man...
Your dad is my spirit animal
@@Tysandifer🤣🤣🤣 Idc but I am a little peeved to get a spoiler of an episode I know watched in middle school lollll strange days
This one was painful... so very, deeply, horribly painful. The guns all misfire multiple times, miss their targets from 15 feet, and the blunderbuss took I think three direct hits before it penetrated armour. The guns were given the edge because they're unable to separate them from modern firearms in their minds, when the tested weaponry was legit worse than that slingshot from a few videos ago lol
To be fair slingshots are hardcore, the only reason why they weren't used much was because of the required training
Knight was the peak battlefield man-at-arms of his time. He has faced black powder firearms and he has WIELDED black powder firearms. In fact, he was still around by the early age of sail.
This is not a fight between class of warrior, this is a fight of "Who would win? The guy with less gear and equipment because he's poor or the guy with all of the gear, equipment, and training a wealthy professional soldier can buy?"
Knight was robbed. Just because you're from the future and with more advanced equipment, doesn't mean you have enough to best a better equipped warrior of the past. My modern 9mm handgun does not beat a post WWI M2 .50.
Yeah, but tbf the "knight" by the time of the pirate in this episode (so early 18th, late 17th c., not just *any* pirate) was quite literally nothing more than a title. Saying they "wielded" guns to give the impression that 15th c. full plate harness knights with 18th c. blunderbusses is accurate is deceiving as by the time of the pirate "knights" were just lower members of the nobility, and if they *did* go to war them being "knights" was purely coincidental, most sat on some inherited manor somewhere awaiting the dissolution of the noble class across Europe. The "knight with gun" image that people like to think that was contemporaneous with the pirate was something like a dragoon, a half-plate heavy cavalryman who had no inherent connection with knighthood. I think what has happened is that people have seen images of armored cav with guns from the pike and shot days, assumed they must have been knights because "plate=knights" and then hamsterwheeled the rest.
The knight in the vid was a late 14th century knight extant prior to the advent of proper blackpowder firearms. The "guns" that existed in his time were literal cannons on a giant pike stuck in the ground by infantry. The arquebus and matchlock mechanism, the forerunners to the blackpowder guns that people think knights were running around with wouldn't even FIRST be seen until over a century later in an insanely primitive form and weren't usable on horseback until the 17th c. (Thirty Years War era) whereby the knight was solidly a social title, not a military one.
There is a reason historians from elementary to collegiate place the advent of gunpowder as the death knell for knights (read Crouch for more). They "existed" together inasmuch as guns existed to rip knights apart as the armor required to protect against the rounds was far too inefficient to wear continuously, and in turn their social dominance derived from their military importance waned until it disappeared altogether WELL by the time of the golden age of piracy.
In terms of gun vs armor, I think you overstate the effectiveness of the gun. There’s a reason cavalry wore breastplates up through the Napoleonic Era, they were absolutely capable of stopping bullets. Guns made equipping massed line infantry with armor uneconomical, but for elite units like knights they would have had access to the best armor available.
Were they even bullets back then ? I thought black powder firearms were more lead shot kinda deal, would have also been before rifling so likely not great accuracy.
Yeah, back then it wasn't modern bullets. When actual bullets was invented, breastplates has become obsolete.
There are countless breastplates with holes punched through with shot. They were still for the melee and shrapnel from artillery, you weren't meant to take a round head on
the most annoying think with this show, was they didn't do Samurai Vs Knight, Pirate Vs Ninja (a meme at the time), and Spartan Vs Viking
Yeah I always thought it was so dumb for a ninja to fight a spartan. Especially with the ninja not sneaking up and killing him or running when he couldn't
@@boomboomskidskid I'm assuming it's because the knight vs samauri would have been so one sided
I’m partial to Apache vs ninja pirates gun advantage is too strong in the back for blood special he was too strong to be ancient but too weak for modern
@@TheMonkeygoneape lol not really. Samurai have had guns since the Dutch first showed up, and the samurai had things like kanabo to crush armor. Plus they had heavy armor as well.
@@boomboomskidskid They wouldn't have included guns in the matchup. Not only would it be anachronistic (unless they give the knight a gun as well, thus making it a boring gunfight), but guns were primarily used by ashigaru rather than samurai. They definitely would have made it an exclusively melee contest.
This might seem like an obvious match but if a Knight is wearing Plate Armor, Chainmail under it and carrying a metal shield, they could realistically stop the bullets from a pistol and blunderbust.
Yup. It literally ends with him getting shot when his visor is pulled up. No armor get pierced really
@@boomboomskidskid Exactly, having a gun doesn't guarantee victory. Hell the Zulu's wiped out a massive army of British Soldiers despite them having guns, cannons and bombs.
Against someone so heavily armored those guns are about as effective as slingshots.
This also varies wildly depending on time period, a 16th century knight would have had very advanced plate armor AND a gun of his own
@@thefanwithoutaface8105Im like 99% sure that the numbers the zulu took out were super inflated. And the actual fight went as expected with the brits running them over. I could be thinking of the wrong account but I think I am correct.
@pacobell97 that reminds me of the story the Hawaiians love to tell about them k!lling Captain James Cook. But, they always conveniently leave out the part where the Brits came back and massacred their village for it.
Knights also had guns more often than a pirate would. The historical inaccuracies are insane. Even as a kid I thought it was dumb, BUT it’s so entertaining
I love this show, it gives me the unreasonable feeling that I could also be a doctor.
Mannequin having half his head obliterated with fist size chunk missing from it´s torso... "oh yeah, that´s a death".
The nostalgia of mid to late 2000s spike tv hits me like the warm embrace of a relapsed alcoholic taking the first shot of whiskey after years of sobriety. I’m not gunna say thanks for reminding me tho
that is quite the comparison, Youre drunk right now aren't you?
A: pirate v knight was a stupid match up
B: the very next episode was ninja v spartan... could have flipped those to knight v spartan & pirate v ninja and both episodes would have been hundred times better.
I just appreciate that you acknowledged the use of pocket sand. That was what truly won the battle.
This episode PISSED me the fuck off when it aired. They did the knight so dirty. When they were testing the penetration of the blunderbuss they only threw on the outer plate. Knights wore chainmail AND heavy gambisons underneath, plus they have shields. None of this was taken into consideration
Yikes.
I remember seeing this episode and getting so pissed that the knight lost when watching the fight. The pirate took a spiked ball and chain to the face and wasn't even wearing armor! I also think this was the only battle where the environment played a role in the finish via the pocketsand
Spoilers man....
@@Tysandifer Watch before scrolling, dumdum.
from a guy riding a horse as well.
I love how Chris spends this whole video ralking about how we all (myself included) used to take this show too seriously and argue about the winners. And now the comment section is arguing about the winner lol
Man I'm not invested in my "team" like I was in high school, I don't care if the pirates or the knights win. I'm just invested in the proper understanding of history and by extension physics when people are claiming that early firearms are completely ineffective against contemporary armor and that proper steel makes a 16th-century knight the equivalent of a modern tank on two feet. It hurts to see old myths and misinformation being spread, that's all.
- Me, coping, and still irritated about the memory of arguments my brother made 15 years ago about why the knight should win
Just so you know for all the hype surrounding ANY gun being part of the matchup, for most of history armor was, if not bulletproof, at least pistol proof. I'm not entirely convinced this blunderbuss could fire through the kind of armor the knight was wearing in this video.
Although to be honest I don't think any of what the experts say is correct so there's that. Everytime it cuts to the show there's like five mistakes per shot.
@@qsywastooshort7451 the knights armor also included much more than just the plate. They removed all the shock absorbing parts which is pivotal for resisting bullet damage. It's the same premise behind modern bullet proof vests. You distribute the force.
Plate armor was used historically for centuries after the invention of the gun. Because it worked against bullets of the time.
They were letting the pirates use modern black powder which is no joke much much stronger than the historical version.
I doubt that blunderbuss would do much of anything to proper plate with gambeson underneath. Not to mention the knight wouldn't even be that much slower.
Them saying “pirates were trained” is the biggest red flag ever, they weren’t trained for shit they were random guys who stole from people who were completely defenseless and murdered anyone who stood up to them😭
First 30 seconds and i am now questioning whether there is a God and if there IS a deadliest warrior. Alright james.. im hooked.
IRL deadliest warrior was probably Simo Häyhä - idk if there's a God, but if there is, Simo aka _The White Death_ sent 500+ soviet soldiers to meet them
Al Capone's syphilis was a major contributor.
Idk how I missed this before but as I was listening I was like “huh, the narrator sounds like Faramir” and then you said it was David Wenham and I’m like how did I, the world’s biggest Faramir fan, miss that he narrated this show?? I legit watched it growing up.
14:07 Yeah a few guns that take two minutes to reload, are pretty inaccurate at even a casual distance and can only be fired once at a time.
That's why they carried multiple guns to fire off shots. Switching to the sword ahaha it was the beginning of guns, of course they don't reload like today 😂
Someone bet on the knight when this episode came out
@@mattb6039 No actually I bet on the pirate but I also know that the guns a pirate used would do jack against metal armor.
Actually They were more accurate then we think and an experienced soldier/sailor/ fighter what have you could reload one about twice in under a minute on average
Knights have to wear that very heavy armor and still be quick and agile.. ready to move, kill, and live to fight another day. I choose the knights FTW!
I knew you couldn't stay from this show for too long. It's a goldmine
deadlist warrior be like "who would win an english longbowmen? or a marine special forces sniper"
Depends on the distance and who would spot who first.
I learned from Dale Gribble aleays keep pocket sand.
Ninja episode literally had specialty pocket sand weapon (with glass in it) that scored really high on use simluation and the showrunners still went 'nah spartans would just wipe that shit out their eyes.' Equally dumb episode.
I really hate to be this guy. Knights and Pirates existed at the same time, and knights used firearms too. Knights were trained from childhood to death for warfare, and their armor was very effective at stopping bullets from 1500 AD onward. These people are claiming to be experts, and have no idea what they're talking about. Also, a mace is way more effective than a flail, I don't even think knights used them much. Imagine how insane you'd have to be to try to control that from horse back.
I think it was more like a gag weapon than anything. There's very little historical evidence that they ever existed. There's ecological evidence because we have found them obviously. In the historical record their barely even mentioned. Armor started disappearing from the battlefield because firearms could shoot through them.
I've seen some sources that claim the flail wasn't actually even a thing that was used, especially the morning star. Its just way too dangerous to use effectively when so many other things existed.
@@codykirchner9606 I keep trying to think of a use for it, everything else could be done by something better, especially with a halberd.
The pirate in here looks like he is from the 1700s.knights were pretty much done in the early 1600s
What I’ve heard about flails is that if you used them for extended periods of time they’d royally fuck your rotator cuff, making them super rare because the guaranteed damage to your body making you a cripple for life wasn’t worth an effect which was at best comparable to using a mace
@2:50 Far from weapons experts, because even I know that's not a Morningstar. It's a Flail. And I'm an idiot sandwich.
What annoyed me, is that during the times of the knights, they had gunpowder weapons in the form of hand cannons.
Also armor was still effective against gunpowder weapons up until the end of the Pike and Shot era of warfare with the more effective musket.
If you do another episode, do Washington vs Napoleon. The entire episode will make you lose brain cells, especially the outcome.
10:30 That is an arming sword, they only weighed 1.5-3 pounds, and they did not bash armor.
This was the oddest pairing, and I love how the pirate guys are talking like pirates are trained soldiers. Most pirates were regular ass men lol. In an actual fight with an actual trained knight there's no chance. But the knights can't win because the pirates have guns. Guns win all the time lmao.
Yeah pirates aren't soldiers they are just sea outlaws. Hell a good pirate heist involves the other ship surrendered without a fight.
Very silly.
David windheim(?) being the narrator is the best part. That's what makes it sound so real and official. Such a good cast
"These two warriors have never met in history" even though many medieval kingdoms fought pirates consistently throughout the Middle Ages haha. Its more like the 14th century knight fights against at late 1600s to early 1700s Caribbean/Atlantic pirate.
Also they tested the firearms against the plate armor but not the entire Armour system to include leather, mail, cloth, shield etc
Man I used to watch not only Ninja Warrior but also a lot of Spike when I was younger. Was an entertaining channel.
I found your channel because recently I got extremely sick and was basically bed ridden for about a week. and when I got reccomended your channel (I don't remember what video) I got very absorbed and watched literally every single video on your channel (spent like 2 days doing it)
I really like your style of videos and humour. I look forward to each and every video you upload as I think your very entertaining and just a swell guy.
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They could have at least given the knights a crossbow. I know they were just goofing around and the "historical experts" don't really know much because knights almost never used flails, which this show calls a morning star even though that's not really right; and also the reason why we have so many flails in museums is because they weren't used all that much because they were a nieche weapon that was hard to use and a flanged mace was a better tool. None of that matters much when the other person has guns though; it's almost like the reason why they stopped wearing so much armor is because it became (mostly) useless against firearms.
But the long range weapon of the knight was the crossbow. The flail is an odd choice for sure.
That would depend on the era of gun. Early guns were really, really bad. Chances are in a one on one fight the pirate would just miss, if the gun even shot at all.
Many of the flails in museums have actually turned out to be forgeries, casting even more doubt over their real life use. Also, firearms being effective (they really weren't that effective) against armor was not the cause of full plate going out of fashion, it was rather the expense. Get a thousand peasants, hand them a musket, train them for 6 weeks, and that is drastically cheaper than training and equipping a single knight. Knights instead became the officer class.
@@Mithelen3 That was the bigger factor, but even nobles stopped wearing armor in battle and the fact that we eventually see armor with a musket shot in it to show it could actually stop one is pretty big evidence that it was a factor.
@osirisatot19 why would breastplate showing they can stop musket shots be evidence of firearms piercing ability being the reason armor stopped being used? The opposite is the logical conclusion. In addition, the musket is a fairly late evolution in firearm technology. We're closer to musket days than musket days were to the first handheld firearms.
The English and French engaged in Privateering (Piracy) against each other for the entirety of then medieval period. Records of Parliament from the reigns of Edward III, Henry IV, and Henry V show them paying ship captains to attack enemy shipping all the time
Who would win: A non-trained nobody, who probably had scurvy, had no training in anything and used mostly fear to win fights or a man in full clad armor, chainmail and paddling with tfaining to fight and a spear/shield/sword... Yeah man, knights would easily demolish pirates and the pirates winning cause "gun" is stupid
I mean that’s literally why knights stopped being a thing? lol guns are that op
Pirates are majority of them were former soldiers, navy men of what ever country served under beforefore hand they were privateer until there service were no longer needed
@@peewee0224No. People still wore armor even when guns were a thing already, even up until the first World War I.
@@ksamuel9there’s more than one world war 1?
@@frankf684 lol
The knight couldve had a gun depending on if its a knight in the early middle ages or the later middle ages, granted they werent accurate and basically were a small cannon on a stick
A knight with a gun is probably close to peak historical badass
@@coletrainhetrick people underestimate the middle ages, I think the first "guns" were used in the 13th or 14th centuries... Pretty sure they were rare up until the 16-17th centuries
The show at least gave a timeframe here.
French Knight 1337 so early 100 Years War, and British pirate 1715 basically the peak of pirate activity in the West Indies.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez I missed that part but my statement still stands lol
theirs a reason why soldiers still wore knight armor when they got issued guns (matchlock firearms) because the armor was still effective and the angle of the chest plate could potentially deflect the soft lead of the bullet, that was fired from weak primitive black powder that doesn't burn as hot as modern gun powder.
The pirates used in this episode are clearly from the Golden Age of Sail, meaning the 17th to 18th century. They only used blunderbusses, which were outdated weapons by that time, for boarding actions. Their standard firearms were flintlock pistols and muskets, which were far superior to blunderbusses and pretty effective against plate armor. Knights and plate armor were obsolete for 150+ years before these pirates existed. Plate armor was essentially useless by the time pirates were raiding in the Caribbean.
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Don't remember this episode but the fact the "historical experts" said "oh let's start with the morningstar" then pulls out a fricken flail! Like brotha that's not even a real weapon that would've been used, it was in more paintings than digs. TWO variations of the flail have been known to be used and exist outside of fiction NEITHER looked like that.
I mean if you put em together they'd kind of look like that but it's still not 1:1 it's not a morningstar Jesus I wish I had've seen this as a kid, they would've gotten some letters.
so just stumbled across this video and paused 14:13 into the video, shortly after the pirate blasts the knight in the helmet. That was one of the places that people would try to get a knight in to kill them if they were completely decked in armor. The eye slits/helmet visor. There's even footage of black powder weapons versus actual armor and the results are surprising.
You should so a video on the episode between a Shaolin Monk and a Maori warrior. It is the most one sided battle I've seen in the series
Even as a young kid who watched this show with his dad and brother, this episode angered me as a medieval history lover. The knight truly would have won, epically in the first few seconds of the fight where he bashes the pirate with his morning star while charging on horseback. The pirate's skull would be gone. At least William Wallace, my hero won his episode.
Also, not saying pirates aren't cool or anything, they are, but lets be real here, in a real swordfight we all now who would actually win.
Crazy how innacurate this show was lol, seeing a supposed expert call a broadsword a hacking weapon is pretty funny. It’s literally the exact opposite, knight’s swords were meant to stab into gaps between armor, if they wanted something to bash they’d use the mace. Also the calling the flail a morning star is pretty ridiculous
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I love that somewhere out there a young Chris James was watching the show with me
I will watch every single thing you ever make about DW. It was my total jam in middle school lmao
Ninja vs Spartan was equally a bit dumb because the 'simulation' had the black egg just ruining the spartan's entire day and the hosts still went 'nah, they'll just WIPE GLASS OUT OF THEIR EYES LIKE MEN.'
But yes I remember the trailer for Pirate vs Knight and my friend and I went 'that whole outcome is gonna be based on the fucking gun alone, isnt it?'
Ninja vs spartan was dumb asf ninja would have took that with real logic... fucking zombies vs vampires was also a damn joke
@@TheReaperOfChessI really doubt a ninja would even try to fight a spartan if they could otherwise use stealth
Not to mention we are talking about two completely different time periods, literally hundreds over even 1000 years apart depending on when you pick out the Spartan. Bronze age vs feudal Japan. They really put too much stock in the whole "Spartans were crazy warriors" nonsense.
I'm not huge into HEMA, but I do train with a long sword. Him holding a short sword, a SINGLE-HANDED WEAPON, with both hands kills me.
The thing that annoys me about this kind of stuff, is it is all just wrong. Plate armor is about as heavy as a modern military kit. Armor wasn't abandoned because it was suddenly ineffective, it was just easier, and cheaper to equip peasants with a gun.
In a fight, that will basically only be close range, the guy in plate armor almost always beats the guy without plate armor.
As a Medieval History student and Flail Fanatic, the "Morningstar" segment is so funny.
1. A Morningstar (Real Weapon) has an end identical to what is shown but is a fixed mace.
2. A Flail (Fake Weapon) which is what they show, isn't even a real weapon. It's my favorite fantasy weapon but does not exist and the only evidence of it is in art and "recreations" made depicting the Spanish Inquisition. There's evidence of two-handed polarm "flails" but nothing like what is shown in the show.
Their worry about a fighter hurting himself with it is reasonable and the strongest piece of evidence it never existed or at best was only a tool in some torture chamber as suggested by some Spanish Inquisition works. That thing is more likely to kill you or your friends next to you than it is to build up enough moment to kill a guy in front of you.
This episode was bullsh*t from start to finish. They had to nerf the knight for the pirate to even have a chance. The advent of “Gun” shouldn’t have meant much either, since they were underpowered, inaccurate (bullets kinda went wherever they wanted until the invention of rifling), and very inconsistent in that period (as evidenced by the fact that they misfired constantly during CONTROLLED TESTING). A large European broadsword also would’ve snapped that cutlass in two, letting the knight carve him up easily. I’m sorry, but a half starved sailor who predominantly attacked unarmed transport ships would’ve been nonchalantly ripped apart by professional armored knights, who’d been trained in lethal combat since birth. The knight also wouldn’t have been slowed down too much by armor either, since it was specifically made to fit only his body, which would have hindered him very little, if at all.
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Knight vs. Pirate from Deadliest Warrior S1 I kind of knew the Pirate was winning due to the fact he had gunpowder-powered weapons while the Knight didn't.
Door dash just came, Jay Jonah rolled up, Chris James just dropped. Life’s good 👌🏽
I have a personal theory that whoever the computer guy likes the most he made sure data was on their side lol
Probably accurate just to be honest.
Anyone else play the video game they made for this series? Pirate and spartan were horrifically OP cause literally at the start of the match the spartan could whip a spear and the pirate could shoot you and both were an insta kill with zero counter lmao. Like congrats. You hit two buttons and won the match
What I love the most about this matchup is that it's entirely based on two sets of Fisher Price Knight and Pirate toys from the 90s. I had both and the castle cannon sunk the ship a lot of the time. Just saying.
It would be a little different but i'd love to see you cover Dog The Bounty Hunter lmaoo
My dad and I always loved the way the pirate shoots the knight inside his helmet at the end when I was little
This whole show is different versions of Superman vs Goku
"A double edged steel blade designed to bash armor and break bones" Come on now lol bash armor? *cries looking at mace, poleaxe and halberd* haha
Honorable mention...pocket sand.
I’m a massive fan of yours! I think you would love the content you could make with “Billy the exterminator” any episode will do
Bro saying the knight is gone but the pirate still is is one of the dopiest things. There are still knights too, im sure a Knight in the Royal Navy squaring off against some starving Samoli Pirate is going to win.
Matt McMuscles AND you uploading a Deadliest Warrior video on the same day? Christmas came early!
I would watch Chris watch every episode of Deadliest Warrior and enjoy every one
One dude has a crossbow and sword, the other has a shotgun and a grenade. What was the point of this episode?
They were curious if the armor could out do the pirates early gun technology, it was a valid question for them to ask, there are people that argue it makes zero sense how the pirate wins when we see that most of the bullets don't pierce most areas of the armor
because pirate guns were usually garbage, the knight wouldnt of been hurt aside from the point blank through the eye slits.
It was a blunderbus sir
@@wingerding Which is basically just a primitive shotgun.
@coletrainhetrick the pirate they depict do not have early medieval weapons. The knight they depict are early or middle era. There were early era pirates without guns and late medieval era knights with guns. They put a freaking 16th century pirate vs a 12th century knight. These were not "early guns." The type of gun portrayed would have been loaded with ball bearings and capable of high pressure, much higher pressure than even late medieval guns used by knights. The idea that a 12th century knight or their armor could withstand a point blank 16th century shot is not likely. Armor wouldn't have been made for that until later, a type of v breastplate that uses deflection was used later than knights. Even the best 12th century armor would likely be pentrated and catastrophic damage inflicted by the type of gun portrayed.
These are some of my favorite videos by you. I’m glad you made another one. Hopefully there are more in the future
I thought you were done with deadliest warrior. What a surprise
Idk what you’re talking about you’re crazy
I love these videos, and not going to lie you seemed to cover all of my favorite episodes of this show
I wonder should this show get rebooted like just imagine what they could use this modern day
The knight absolutely would have won lol, blunderbuss wouldn't do shit to that armor
There are several videos testing blunderbuss vs armor...it leaves a softball size hole in the armor. These comments are making my brain hurt
@@johnirby8847 The question I have for you would be. Are those armors they tested prop armor or actual combat ready armor? in the case of not combat armor then its like putting aluminum foil and then expecting it to hold up the same. Furthermore you have chain mail as well as padded armor under the plates to deal with.
Furthermore, you need to take into account what is being put into the blunderbuss, in both the powder and the rounds being used. are you really sure that everyone who used one of these would put the correct amount of powder in it? if they put to much in then their gun explodes in their hand, to little and it has the power of a puppies slap.
@MyAramil well if he put ball bearings in it...what does it do to a knight in armor a few feet away...they'll both go out with a bang
@@johnirby8847 yeah on 30$ Alie express Armor 😂.
Yeah...that's why knights are still the kings of the battlefield. Because plate armor was so effective against early firearms...
Says the knight gets a morningstar, shows a flail. Says the knight gets a halberd, pulls out a poleaxe. Says the knight gets a broadsword, shows an arming sword.
Still waiting to see a reaction to the Monk vs Moari. The expert gets so salty
I just went back and watched the IDF episode because of that whole pager walkie talkie deal in Lebanon. Good stuff Chris!
Whats not brought up is that knights did fight enemies with gunpowder weapons and their armor was made to stop a bullet what eventually killed off the knight was the mass adoption of gunpowder weapons in massed formations, a one on one fight between a knight and a common soldier with a musket the knight wins but 10 nights against 100 peasants with muskets and the musketmen are winning
This is the only channel that I watch the ads all the way though. Show some support guys. Thaks for all you do Chris.
They called it a morningstar and I immediately had to pause the vid because thats clearly a flail. Morningstars dont flail around-- THEYRE CALLED FLAILS BECAUSE THEY FLAIL!!
Best part is they weren’t used in war they were two handed farming tools in real life
The part where you talked about the knight whacking himself in the shin made me laugh way harder than it should have. Thank you.
1:00 i mean honestly a gun does have longer range than a grenade. You can pick up and throw a grenade back sometimes, but you cant return a bullet youve been shot with
to be fair that is why it's a silly match up.
the knight being on a horse should’ve been an easy dub
they really dropped the ball on this one, Knight vs Samurai would have been awesome. thanks for the upload, i really like these deadliest warrior videos.