good vid, whelps! covers a lot of detail and options. fwiw, i think it's important for viewers to not get it twisted - heavy has never really changed. it's not that heavy's gotten buffed somehow, it's a series of nerfs to light, and the subsequent change to medium dodge that's left heavy as the longest pole in the tent. there is a non-trivial dmg difference between light and heavy, but right now the trade-off between medium and heavy is a no brainer (10% base dmg reduction for basically double the armor). so i agree in the sense that if they don't do anything to address medium's identity crisis, then maybe a slight dmg nerf to heavy is to be expected.
Vault kick is my build! :) Very fun build. Your skill reduction isn't the best, you should tune a little bit for right rotation. I'm using "refreshing reach" and "Aggressive maneuvers".
I run the same build, not nearly as optimized as I have yet to get all my gear, but I can tell you it'd because it's not very helpful. Butcher already makes it last really long, so it's better to get a damage perk.
Been playing GS/Hatchet in heavy and it’s ridiculous. Empower from serenity allows me to hit like a truck. With full empower stacks I switch to hatchet, pop berserk with keen berserk perk and plagued crits I melt everyone aside from pure tanks. Super high mobility and with second life I rarely die. Shirking heals/fort along with stamina perks and reduced evade costs from hatchet makes me damn near invincible vs 2/3 players. With a healer? Forget about it. Edit:typos
I am happy to see someone enjoying it as well. My experience playing heavy sns/spear since expac came out, people complain about it. At first I used scorpions sting (plague strike on it before the buff) and the named sword from genesis, now I am using pvp backstab/fort perf/plague crits with butcher and a bis buckler...it all comes down to dodging, debuffing properly, and knowing what the enemy has on cd or not.
-20% and because it is base damage it actually translates into only about 8-9% damage after damage calculations etc. So yeah, definitely balanced really poorly LOL
Whelps highlight clips does not indicate OP. He can get these clips with literally any build. The real nerf needed is healers. If you don’t have a healer and the other team does, you lose.
yer agree nw atm is a mess and so fast shanging altime heavy not op i whant to se him dominate my team in arena been playing for 7k hours no way he can kait in heavy like that and i did not se and reduction of healing on him that´s most have in arena any pleagued perk ?and for opr would see what he deos whne we come a premate ore he meet 5 guys thats have played togather for long time he would be dead.
I totally agree! Heavy loadout is definitely over powered right now. Heavy makes the game very boring in my opinion and un-enjoyable to play as a medium or light melee vs it currently. Heavy with shirking heals, high survivability and crowd control is fine. Being great at supporting your team is amazing for heavy loadout but It just cant be doing the most damage simply because it can survive the longest in a fight compared to other loadouts. Also, most heavy players use sword and shield which means the mobility of the heavy loadout is just way better than it maybe should be for a tank. Hopefully they come up with something to balance the heavy loadout properly soon.
22:12 People see this and say "HeAvY iS BrOkEn!!!" But only one of these bots went on the rock to try and mess with the healer. The whole team there and ONE guy actually did the right thing.
Ive been running this build with 340 dex 100 str 150 con (give or take 10 points on dex or str) and i havw not seen anywhere NEAR the numbers youre getting. The most damage i get is 3.5k on a knocked fown with coup de grace on spear and im seeing tou hit 2k naruraly on a sns auto lmao. Whats the difference what do you have i dont besides weapon perks on armor.
Funny you say 20% dmg reduction on heavy because I've been saying that since launch. Light 20%, Medium 0%, Heavy -20%. Heavy is to take damage not take it. Basic logic, but we all know AGS operates on a realm far too advanced for our own understanding.
all his healers. look what hes standing in double sacred grounds 80% of the time. its a crap showcase of it in OPR. dudes just spawn camping on top of triple sacred grounds
This is why i say that armor needs balance is not fair that heavy doesn’t get really penalty on dmg they should give armor penetration to light melee dps and add penalty to heavy
Bro light gets 20% more damage just for being in light 😂 have you ever actually played a heavy build your swinging around a giant marshmallow you want to know how to beat heavy... Light roll away and have freedoms
1/3 of video is 2 OPR games where they dominated. Everyone who has played the game has the same situation with gang of lights pressing. I think he trying to heavy nerf
naw dude, it has nothing to do with his clips/vid.. its very obvious and known know how op heavy is. even the best war companies have so many heavies now, all the dex/flex/assasin roles(that arent only range) are playing heavy now. there r a host of reasons and changes that have made heavy so good, but mainly that with heavy u can still get very high damage.. in the pastr u could never be a heavy assasin, u wouldnt getthe kills.. u would just hack away for ages. but now, specialy cuz we have more attribute points, and other changes, with heavy u just get almost the best of everything. also, a light melee playa these days can only make one mistake, n gets zeroed real fast. in heavy u can make so many mistakes.. so its also easier for newer pvp playas. but its undenyable now, how op heavy is in NW pvp.
S4 literally gonna be full circle right back to day 1 of new world. Paladin builds or mages gonna be the only viable option to play and everyone is just gonna use heavy armor. Literally the first 6 months of the game all over again.
I wouldn't like a -20% dmg on tanks but removing shirking heals from heavy armor perks would be great idea. Or reworking self healing same way as output healing. With this build u have only 15k hp and with self healing nerfed the armor wouldn't be enough to be immortal like now
u know that heavy is strong atm, when even whelps is playing heavy..lol. never thot id see whelps in heavy. and yeah, i think heavy shud be more of a tank, so there should be a bigger difference in damage between medium and light. it used to be and feel that way, but various changes, as well as having more attribute points to spend, lets heavy do compareable damage to light, while having way more other benefits. and poor medium has nuthin going for it atm..
As with ANY Heavy build, standing in a Sacred Ground basically turns you into a raid boss.....as the last 10 minutes of this video clearly shows. Yes the build is strong, and Whelps is an amazing player, but sacred ground is still the best skill in the game. It warps every fight it's involved in to a ridiculous level.
The crying has to stop, you notice there is no gear check on randoms that que for arena. Whelps is playing in heavy bis, using spear as all players know is the best weapon in the game. Now let's add in use ice gauntlet for weapon instead of spear use hammer instead of spear. Everything he does falls off and he does nothing remove shirking heals gear. What we really should be discussing is why light who has been the meta for a year wasnt nerfed earlier? Heavy doesnt need a damage reduction light players simply need to understand fortify changes means your not going to be able to trade equally anymore in CC. For 90% of opr he has a dedicated healer so let's ignore that part while he is crying balanced in sacred ground
Idk man ranged attacks are really strong light armor dodge range is further and damage is higher imo sure nerf heavy damage put then u need to make all dodges the same distance
A little tip how to use javelin 100% more effective: Hit your throws. :o) In your videos you're missing 85+% percent of your shots which makes this skill really useless. But it doesn't matter if you just farm bots at their base with triple cap and the broken T3 outpost buffs.
I don´t agree heavy is that op most people you meet in arena is casuals their to farm xp ore the gem heavy was ok in pvp even pve at start and then they super buff light and medium so it had only had one role front line war cap holder after sitting o nthe side lines for like 2 year it´s more then right they get to se the light again and light is still op as fuck by one thing midagtions their midgation is not raw like with armor it´s their dodge that have always!! been damn op hit and run i don´t know how many naked oprs i did back in the day with hatchet/sns and killd so many people and most people are stupied and really casual now you have tons of op meta build out side heavy. FM/abyss ? in fast boom and out almost imposible to catch up to.
@@Eds.collection that s a sword and shield problem, not a heavy problem. if you think it s a heavy problem try playing mage or bow heavy and see how absolute shit your survivability will be
good vid, whelps! covers a lot of detail and options.
fwiw, i think it's important for viewers to not get it twisted - heavy has never really changed. it's not that heavy's gotten buffed somehow, it's a series of nerfs to light, and the subsequent change to medium dodge that's left heavy as the longest pole in the tent. there is a non-trivial dmg difference between light and heavy, but right now the trade-off between medium and heavy is a no brainer (10% base dmg reduction for basically double the armor). so i agree in the sense that if they don't do anything to address medium's identity crisis, then maybe a slight dmg nerf to heavy is to be expected.
that behind the back scorpian jav over the ledge in arena was amazing
With the release of Season 4, would full Frigid Dawn (with Health or Weapon perk as 3rd perk) be BIS for this?
Vault kick is my build! :) Very fun build. Your skill reduction isn't the best, you should tune a little bit for right rotation. I'm using "refreshing reach" and "Aggressive maneuvers".
I notice you aren't running Bloodletting on the ring with Butcher. Any particular reason? Great vid! Been playing this build myself and loving it.
I run the same build, not nearly as optimized as I have yet to get all my gear, but I can tell you it'd because it's not very helpful. Butcher already makes it last really long, so it's better to get a damage perk.
Heavy players coping in the comments. Even if he had a healer in light for alot of situations you couldn't dream of tanking more than 2 people.
Been playing GS/Hatchet in heavy and it’s ridiculous. Empower from serenity allows me to hit like a truck. With full empower stacks I switch to hatchet, pop berserk with keen berserk perk and plagued crits I melt everyone aside from pure tanks. Super high mobility and with second life I rarely die. Shirking heals/fort along with stamina perks and reduced evade costs from hatchet makes me damn near invincible vs 2/3 players. With a healer? Forget about it.
Edit:typos
I am happy to see someone enjoying it as well. My experience playing heavy sns/spear since expac came out, people complain about it. At first I used scorpions sting (plague strike on it before the buff) and the named sword from genesis, now I am using pvp backstab/fort perf/plague crits with butcher and a bis buckler...it all comes down to dodging, debuffing properly, and knowing what the enemy has on cd or not.
People are quick to complain about the simplicity of the meta, but forget the skill comes with knowledge, awareness, and experience.
GS empower will drop on weapon swap. Edit: I stand corrected, the Balanced Blade perk does remain on weapon swap. wow
@@BusterBosque 100% you can have all bis and still lose to someone with mediocre great but superior skill. That being said, heavy is OP tho lol
@@PhilosHavlicek what perks do you use on the hatchet? i m trying to find a melee build that s fun on oprs
-30% DMG vs +300% Armor ... great balancing, great game design!
-20% and because it is base damage it actually translates into only about 8-9% damage after damage calculations etc. So yeah, definitely balanced really poorly LOL
Whelps highlight clips does not indicate OP. He can get these clips with literally any build. The real nerf needed is healers. If you don’t have a healer and the other team does, you lose.
yer agree nw atm is a mess and so fast shanging altime heavy not op i whant to se him dominate my team in arena been playing for 7k hours no way he can kait in heavy like that and i did not se and reduction of healing on him that´s most have in arena any pleagued perk ?and for opr would see what he deos whne we come a premate ore he meet 5 guys thats have played togather for long time he would be dead.
I totally agree! Heavy loadout is definitely over powered right now. Heavy makes the game very boring in my opinion and un-enjoyable to play as a medium or light melee vs it currently. Heavy with shirking heals, high survivability and crowd control is fine. Being great at supporting your team is amazing for heavy loadout but It just cant be doing the most damage simply because it can survive the longest in a fight compared to other loadouts. Also, most heavy players use sword and shield which means the mobility of the heavy loadout is just way better than it maybe should be for a tank. Hopefully they come up with something to balance the heavy loadout properly soon.
this will probably be the solution to the lack of tanks in pve xD
Watch this get nerfed in a hastily manner and Firestaff untouched until Season 5.
what grapic settings u use? high?
22:12 People see this and say "HeAvY iS BrOkEn!!!" But only one of these bots went on the rock to try and mess with the healer. The whole team there and ONE guy actually did the right thing.
dude you miss the point lol. heavy is broken. at least with weaps like spear. what you mentioned is true but doesnt change that.
is ankh better than blooddrinker for heavy?
So do you prefer he at or light now that you have played both
The coup de grace on sweep sucks though. Sweep into cyclone or perf for guaranteed hits and lots of burst
I would like to see you play vs Boltcasters. Play your build vs melee is one thing, another is vs rangers in light armor.
Ive been running this build with 340 dex 100 str 150 con (give or take 10 points on dex or str) and i havw not seen anywhere NEAR the numbers youre getting. The most damage i get is 3.5k on a knocked fown with coup de grace on spear and im seeing tou hit 2k naruraly on a sns auto lmao. Whats the difference what do you have i dont besides weapon perks on armor.
Funny you say 20% dmg reduction on heavy because I've been saying that since launch. Light 20%, Medium 0%, Heavy -20%. Heavy is to take damage not take it. Basic logic, but we all know AGS operates on a realm far too advanced for our own understanding.
can some one please tell me how he NEVER gets stunned or rooted and barley takes ANY DAMAGE please!!!
all his healers. look what hes standing in double sacred grounds 80% of the time. its a crap showcase of it in OPR. dudes just spawn camping on top of triple sacred grounds
This is why i say that armor needs balance is not fair that heavy doesn’t get really penalty on dmg they should give armor penetration to light melee dps and add penalty to heavy
Bro light gets 20% more damage just for being in light 😂 have you ever actually played a heavy build your swinging around a giant marshmallow you want to know how to beat heavy... Light roll away and have freedoms
They better fix heavy armors asap, it makes no sense at all to do almost the same dmg as light while having x2 or even x3 dmg reduction. it´s crazy.
1/3 of video is 2 OPR games where they dominated. Everyone who has played the game has the same situation with gang of lights pressing. I think he trying to heavy nerf
naw dude, it has nothing to do with his clips/vid.. its very obvious and known know how op heavy is. even the best war companies have so many heavies now, all the dex/flex/assasin roles(that arent only range) are playing heavy now. there r a host of reasons and changes that have made heavy so good, but mainly that with heavy u can still get very high damage.. in the pastr u could never be a heavy assasin, u wouldnt getthe kills.. u would just hack away for ages. but now, specialy cuz we have more attribute points, and other changes, with heavy u just get almost the best of everything. also, a light melee playa these days can only make one mistake, n gets zeroed real fast. in heavy u can make so many mistakes.. so its also easier for newer pvp playas. but its undenyable now, how op heavy is in NW pvp.
can shrinking heal and shriking fort stack in one armor ?
Yes
S4 literally gonna be full circle right back to day 1 of new world. Paladin builds or mages gonna be the only viable option to play and everyone is just gonna use heavy armor. Literally the first 6 months of the game all over again.
hey whelps how to change your cursor in game new world
So are you an assassin or bruiser or tank?
Yes
Thank for vidéo. Its possible to make the same vidéo with GS please
I can make any build look OP if I have a healer and the other team doesn’t. Healer is where the real nerf is needed
I wouldn't like a -20% dmg on tanks but removing shirking heals from heavy armor perks would be great idea. Or reworking self healing same way as output healing. With this build u have only 15k hp and with self healing nerfed the armor wouldn't be enough to be immortal like now
Very intresting...
u know that heavy is strong atm, when even whelps is playing heavy..lol. never thot id see whelps in heavy. and yeah, i think heavy shud be more of a tank, so there should be a bigger difference in damage between medium and light. it used to be and feel that way, but various changes, as well as having more attribute points to spend, lets heavy do compareable damage to light, while having way more other benefits. and poor medium has nuthin going for it atm..
Just buff light armor MELEE damage, that's it. If you also buff ranged light damage we're back to square one.
Been running this build for a month+ now.
As with ANY Heavy build, standing in a Sacred Ground basically turns you into a raid boss.....as the last 10 minutes of this video clearly shows. Yes the build is strong, and Whelps is an amazing player, but sacred ground is still the best skill in the game. It warps every fight it's involved in to a ridiculous level.
if you think sacred is still the problem this late into the game you are a drone
if a spear is a main dmg weapon why not going 350 dex?
because it scales with dex and str
You killed a lot of heavy players and say Heavy OP. You are OP. 😂
The crying has to stop, you notice there is no gear check on randoms that que for arena. Whelps is playing in heavy bis, using spear as all players know is the best weapon in the game. Now let's add in use ice gauntlet for weapon instead of spear use hammer instead of spear. Everything he does falls off and he does nothing remove shirking heals gear. What we really should be discussing is why light who has been the meta for a year wasnt nerfed earlier? Heavy doesnt need a damage reduction light players simply need to understand fortify changes means your not going to be able to trade equally anymore in CC. For 90% of opr he has a dedicated healer so let's ignore that part while he is crying balanced in sacred ground
They really need to nerf heavy or this games pvp is gonna die out IMO : /
They nerfed light too much.
Idk man ranged attacks are really strong light armor dodge range is further and damage is higher imo sure nerf heavy damage put then u need to make all dodges the same distance
Heavy meta needs a massive nerf dude there no defending it light is suppose to be like that
@@zsmorc5437they didn’t buff heavy in season 3. This is a product of the medium dodge nerf.
Why do your teammates in 3v3 always suck?
The problem of solo queue 😂
Fortify perf just checkmates 1v1s
A little tip how to use javelin 100% more effective: Hit your throws. :o)
In your videos you're missing 85+% percent of your shots which makes this skill really useless.
But it doesn't matter if you just farm bots at their base with triple cap and the broken T3 outpost buffs.
I don´t agree heavy is that op most people you meet in arena is casuals their to farm xp ore the gem heavy was ok in pvp even pve at start and then they super buff light and medium so it had only had one role front line war cap holder after sitting o nthe side lines for like 2 year it´s more then right they get to se the light again and light is still op as fuck by one thing midagtions their midgation is not raw like with armor it´s their dodge that have always!! been damn op hit and run i don´t know how many naked oprs i did back in the day with hatchet/sns and killd so many people and most people are stupied and really casual now you have tons of op meta build out side heavy. FM/abyss ? in fast boom and out almost imposible to catch up to.
Heavy assasin is not fit of the nature of the game. Heavy meta is so so bad. They maked game so bad with this heavy meta..
And light meta went on for to long shrugs welcome to the thunderdome
You are so so bad. You played game so bad with game play
It's call change man and it will change again. Change is good
@@Ardie27 ıts not a change i have never seen such thing like tank with high mobility damage dealers in any game
@@Eds.collection that s a sword and shield problem, not a heavy problem. if you think it s a heavy problem try playing mage or bow heavy and see how absolute shit your survivability will be
Nerf heavy and FS will one shot heavy next season....
1 good heavy player in OPR = autowin. Hope AGS will see this stupid shit. GJ Whepls!
Lol.
Lmao