Cade has the best beard and Ryland the best smile. Lol! But seriously, Ryland is the man! His channel has helped our church save tons of $ and go farther faster!
Thanks for having Ryland on! I subscribed to him :) I did want to say tho that, as a tech director, I feel like not expecting the tech department to be there for mid-week practices and bringing pros in to do more advanced things sends the message to the tech department that they don't need to grow, learn, or be as invested as I feel like they need to be to truly function in their roles. Obviously volunteers enter knowing next to nothing many times, but when you have someone in a role on any given Sunday, I feel like you want to be able to trust them to take care of any problems that arise and not have to wait until they can reach out to the professional. Just my thoughts :)
Good stuff. I've done sound (and video) for 4 different worship leaders the past 3 years. They all had different approaches to how they treated the sound tech. A few were dismissive of the importance of the role the sound tech plays. As if we were just another piece of equipment that works most of the time (but not always). However , our current leader is awesome about being open to suggestions and info from the booth. As a tech, this makes things so much easier.
I have the same relationship with our current worship leader. She trusts me to get the best sound out of our singers and musicians. And of course, the compliments she and they receive solidify the importance of a good "sound" person.
Interesting talk. Some things talked about are applicable in our church, some not. It's good to hear different thoughts and views. About 8 years ago, the entire "tech" team left the church. No one to show text or do the mix. I'm a classically trained person and have played in orchestras, concert bands, etc.. I love music and have a hi-end audio system at home. So I embarked on my journey of learning how to use a sound board, all self taught. Tons of mistakes, but I continued to learn with what we had. I believe that the worship team is to help the congregation to worship and praise the Lord, and not be a "concert" where the congregation are spectators. We initially had an old Behringer mixer with only 2 AUX outs to the stage floor monitors where there were 8-9 musicians and singers, each saying turn themselves up. There is ego with some worship leaders, sometimes to a fault. Loud stage monitors destroyed the FOH mix to the point you couldn't hear the FOH speakers and people said it sounded bad. That person is gone. A few years ago, I updated our equipment and even last year going from a XR18 to X32Rack. No more stage monitors because everyone is with IEM's. People now in church comment on how much better the music sounds. And when the worship team listen to the live stream later, they actually here how good they sound. When the team was invited to play at an large evangelistic event (we are in Lublin, Poland), they said they would not go without me, even though I was not doing the live mix. I made the sound man do a sound check on everyone. Told him which singer needs a compressor, which is the lead instrument, etc... and the people commented to the worship team how wonderful and uplifting everything sounded. This was the same sound team that previously, people said the sound was terrible. Sadly, no one at church wants to come and learn "how" to use the equipment. They see all the buttons, computers, wireless mics and IEM's sitting in the back and don't think they can handle it.
Love that you are having great results, Anthony! And yes, it can be tough to build a sound team because of how overwhelming everything is for newbies. That's actually why I created Church Sound Made Simple - to break it all down in a way that's easy to understand and a pace that is manageable for a newbie.
Actually, not all sound techs are introverts. I have been running sound over 50 years and do recording engineering. I'm also a drummer and singer, so not an introvert. The biggest problem I have seen over the years is the worship leader is ignorant of the sound and tech systems and the tech tools (equipment available) to the tech team. Worship leaders usually don't even know microphone differences and applications. If the worship leaders don't know what is happening, how can they explain how to get what they want? When they can't explain what they want, they get frustrated and tend to denigrate the sound people because it doesn't come out like the worship leader wants. Second, if you are not having the tech team show up for midweek rehearsals, then you are telling the tech team is they are NOT part of the worship team. If the tech team isn't at the rehearsal, how are they supposed to know who is leading the verse, who is on top for the bridge, what the major instrument is for the song? The major mistake here is, THE TECH TEAM NEEDS TO PRACTICE, TOO! Just because it isn't a stringed fixture, doesn't mean it isn't an instrument! Tech takes practice. Don't believe me? Ask any Broadway show if their tech shows up for the first time at opening night? I mean really? Quit downgrading your tech team and make them part of the worship team, or try doing it without them. Tech is a calling that needs to be appreciated for the God given talent that it is.
I completely agree that Worship pastors need to have an understanding of audio. I actually believe the worship pastor in most smaller churches needs to be able to trouble shoot every instrument and piece of tech. I guess I kinda misspoke about our midweek rehearsal. Two of our techs come when they are scheduled if able. Although two cannot. Wednesday rehearsal often cannot have mains on as there are small groups meeting at the same time so I feel like it’s not a great use of their time. Totally agree we are ALL leading the worship if we do it with a heart to glorify God. 👍🏻
I am at every rehearsal since I am the only one who knows anything about the equipment. I would love for others who would want to learn, but no volunteers at the moment. We use IEM's, which they set up their own "mix" for themselves. I play the FOH speakers at a lower volume since our chapel is highly reflective. We don't have the money for sound dampening to reduce it. During service though... when filled with people, the sound is smoother and not as reflective. Knowing the songs that they will be playing, which instrument is leading, who is second voice in vocal for that song, etc. is important to know. And be being there, I've learned just by listening what is going on, who isn't singing/playing. As I wrote above, our worship team has been invited to play at different locations, and they won't go unless I can go. We are a team.
It’s great to see my fellow OWASSO creators on the UA-cam map!!! Let’s gooooo!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you!
Great advice and a pleasure to listen to you both. Knowing the songs is key.
Cade has the best beard and Ryland the best smile. Lol! But seriously, Ryland is the man! His channel has helped our church save tons of $ and go farther faster!
Thanks man! I agree, Ryland is the man!
Thanks for having me on Kade, enjoyed the chat. Y’all go get that Church Sound Made Simple course!
Awesome my bro! 🔥
Thanks man! I enjoyed it. We'll have to do it again.
Awesome to see two Owasso guys helping the community so much. Thanks for the awesome content both of you
Thanks man!
Thanks for having Ryland on! I subscribed to him :) I did want to say tho that, as a tech director, I feel like not expecting the tech department to be there for mid-week practices and bringing pros in to do more advanced things sends the message to the tech department that they don't need to grow, learn, or be as invested as I feel like they need to be to truly function in their roles. Obviously volunteers enter knowing next to nothing many times, but when you have someone in a role on any given Sunday, I feel like you want to be able to trust them to take care of any problems that arise and not have to wait until they can reach out to the professional. Just my thoughts :)
Appreciate the insight! You bring up some great points.
Good stuff. I've done sound (and video) for 4 different worship leaders the past 3 years. They all had different approaches to how they treated the sound tech. A few were dismissive of the importance of the role the sound tech plays. As if we were just another piece of equipment that works most of the time (but not always). However , our current leader is awesome about being open to suggestions and info from the booth. As a tech, this makes things so much easier.
Great to hear!
I have the same relationship with our current worship leader. She trusts me to get the best sound out of our singers and musicians. And of course, the compliments she and they receive solidify the importance of a good "sound" person.
Sometimes you have to train them. Mute them at random times. Mess with the eq. They'll get the picture, eventually.
@@TimothyFish 😆 Trial by fire!
Interesting talk. Some things talked about are applicable in our church, some not. It's good to hear different thoughts and views.
About 8 years ago, the entire "tech" team left the church. No one to show text or do the mix. I'm a classically trained person and have played in orchestras, concert bands, etc.. I love music and have a hi-end audio system at home. So I embarked on my journey of learning how to use a sound board, all self taught. Tons of mistakes, but I continued to learn with what we had.
I believe that the worship team is to help the congregation to worship and praise the Lord, and not be a "concert" where the congregation are spectators.
We initially had an old Behringer mixer with only 2 AUX outs to the stage floor monitors where there were 8-9 musicians and singers, each saying turn themselves up.
There is ego with some worship leaders, sometimes to a fault. Loud stage monitors destroyed the FOH mix to the point you couldn't hear the FOH speakers and people said it sounded bad. That person is gone.
A few years ago, I updated our equipment and even last year going from a XR18 to X32Rack. No more stage monitors because everyone is with IEM's. People now in church comment on how much better the music sounds. And when the worship team listen to the live stream later, they actually here how good they sound.
When the team was invited to play at an large evangelistic event (we are in Lublin, Poland), they said they would not go without me, even though I was not doing the live mix. I made the sound man do a sound check on everyone. Told him which singer needs a compressor, which is the lead instrument, etc... and the people commented to the worship team how wonderful and uplifting everything sounded. This was the same sound team that previously, people said the sound was terrible.
Sadly, no one at church wants to come and learn "how" to use the equipment. They see all the buttons, computers, wireless mics and IEM's sitting in the back and don't think they can handle it.
Love that you are having great results, Anthony! And yes, it can be tough to build a sound team because of how overwhelming everything is for newbies. That's actually why I created Church Sound Made Simple - to break it all down in a way that's easy to understand and a pace that is manageable for a newbie.
do you think all worship leaders should be sound technicians first ?
what to do when worship leaders know nothing about sound and mix ?
I don't think they HAVE TO, but they should definitely invest some time to train and learning the basics of mixing.
Great video! I will share this with the rest of our team.
Thank you!
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Ryland looks just like a younger @AmericanArbitrage
They do look similar! haha
Actually, not all sound techs are introverts. I have been running sound over 50 years and do recording engineering. I'm also a drummer and singer, so not an introvert. The biggest problem I have seen over the years is the worship leader is ignorant of the sound and tech systems and the tech tools (equipment available) to the tech team. Worship leaders usually don't even know microphone differences and applications. If the worship leaders don't know what is happening, how can they explain how to get what they want? When they can't explain what they want, they get frustrated and tend to denigrate the sound people because it doesn't come out like the worship leader wants.
Second, if you are not having the tech team show up for midweek rehearsals, then you are telling the tech team is they are NOT part of the worship team. If the tech team isn't at the rehearsal, how are they supposed to know who is leading the verse, who is on top for the bridge, what the major instrument is for the song? The major mistake here is, THE TECH TEAM NEEDS TO PRACTICE, TOO! Just because it isn't a stringed fixture, doesn't mean it isn't an instrument! Tech takes practice. Don't believe me? Ask any Broadway show if their tech shows up for the first time at opening night? I mean really? Quit downgrading your tech team and make them part of the worship team, or try doing it without them. Tech is a calling that needs to be appreciated for the God given talent that it is.
Thanks Daniel. Good points.
I completely agree that Worship pastors need to have an understanding of audio. I actually believe the worship pastor in most smaller churches needs to be able to trouble shoot every instrument and piece of tech.
I guess I kinda misspoke about our midweek rehearsal. Two of our techs come when they are scheduled if able. Although two cannot. Wednesday rehearsal often cannot have mains on as there are small groups meeting at the same time so I feel like it’s not a great use of their time. Totally agree we are ALL leading the worship if we do it with a heart to glorify God. 👍🏻
I am at every rehearsal since I am the only one who knows anything about the equipment. I would love for others who would want to learn, but no volunteers at the moment.
We use IEM's, which they set up their own "mix" for themselves. I play the FOH speakers at a lower volume since our chapel is highly reflective. We don't have the money for sound dampening to reduce it. During service though... when filled with people, the sound is smoother and not as reflective.
Knowing the songs that they will be playing, which instrument is leading, who is second voice in vocal for that song, etc. is important to know. And be being there, I've learned just by listening what is going on, who isn't singing/playing.
As I wrote above, our worship team has been invited to play at different locations, and they won't go unless I can go. We are a team.