This was a better breakdown than many GPU-dedicated channels. You would make an amazing hardware analyst and I'd gladly take your input onboard seriously when it comes to buying decisions. iRacing is obviously a specific niche, which is totally fine, but maybe if you feel like it, for the purposes of channel growth, a breakdown like this, with some other games, would do crazy views. That might not be a priority though, which is fine. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks a lot for that feedback! I really appreciate it! The only problem is that I don't have the CPUs around anymore, so I couldn't do tests on those platforms without spending money, and since I am far from making money with this channel I'm afraid that investment wouldn't pay off, but I will take it into consideration! As others pointed out I have a bad memory setup right now (2x8gb + 2x16gb sticks). I guess I will try to compare that to just having 2x16 or even 2x8gb sticks, this might help others as well, in case there even is a difference - i'm not even sure if there is so I'd be happy to test that :) And sorry for the delayed answer, I was on vacation :)
This is a really high quality video! From a production standpoint as well as on how detailled the benchmarks are described and executed. Thank you very much for this!
The only game I play on my rig is iRacing, and I've been thinking about upgrading my machine so I could get back into driving (I fractured a vertebrae two years ago I haven't raced since, but I've recovered). My system is quite old (i5 10600K/1080 Ti). I also use a VR headset. This video is exactly what I needed to decide what route to go (R7 7800X3D and RX 7900 XTX). I cannot thank you enough for posting this superb video for our iRacing community.
Great video. For anyone on the fence, I went from a 5800X3D to a 7950X3D and all I play is iRacing and some other simulators. IMO, 5800X3D is the MOVE if you already have an AM4 socket board for sure. The only reason I really went up to AM5 was because I play in VR and there was still some room to improve on CPU frame times for that use case. But for the actual value, 5800X3D is still the king, hands down.
How much was your improvement from 5800X3D to 7950X3D ? I start play in VR since i got one and with my 3900XT i got some huge frames drops. With that drops i experience also some latency increasing llike i turn my wheel and the action is done arround 50 to 300ms after instead of instantly. I'm also a 3D artist so it could improve my software on physics calculation too and 3D animation Viewport speed and other things.
@@iXiwar It's hard to say exactly what the increase was because I was already able to run 90fps locked most of the time with the 5800X3D, the 7590X3D just made the occurences of frame drops a lot less frequent and a lot less severe when they do happen. I would gather it's at least 15-20% better in VR for sims. Against a 3000 series AMD processor, it's going to be an absolutely massive jump. I had a 3900X and just the jump to 5000 series was huge, moving up again to 7000X3D would be big
@@BoostedSTIGI get the value proposition for sure, I’m still debating on what to do. I play a lot of Star Citizen atm. For me I think I’m just gonna jump into AM5, with the caveat I might wait until the fall.
@@krokenlochen Yeah, I think now that my original comment is a year old and DDR5 has come way down in price and there are 'somewhat' affordable motherboards, the jump to the 7800X3D is the move now. There's also potential that a new AM5 compatible processor generation may be around the corner if you're waiting till fall. That could be an option too.
Was just looking for info on this specific to iracing. I'm currently running a Ryzen 7 3800 and a 3080 and I'm getting cpu bottlenecks. This is exactly the info I needed to convince me to go for the upgrade. Thanks very much for taking the time to do this comparison.
Excellent real world iRacing tests! I, too, had identified my CPU bottleneck with the 5600X @ mostly high settings on triples. Switched to the 5800X3D and the bottleneck went away on all high setting with HDR (I couldn't use HDR) with a RTX 3060 OC, but upped the GPU to the RTX 4070 Super!
Thanks for the vid! I am on 5800x3d and 3070ti so i can relate. This is the build most of us would love to have but still only few can afford due to overpriced parts. Grow your channel strong! :-)
I am going through the same decision-making process at the moment. Got a GPU upgrade and noticed that I am bottlenecking pretty hard now with 3900x. Absolutely great video man!
Thanks for doing a SIM test, most testers don’t do it. I’d like to see you also test it on ACC and ANS2, so we can see if it also helps in those titles.
I couldn't provide comparisons to those anymore sadly, since I sold the 3rd gen and returned the 5800X. But I did a short comparison in ACC which i didn't include in the video. will update this as soon as i'm on my PC again. :)
I was on the fence on whether to buy the 7800x3d or wait until the 9000x3d series drops early next year.. this really helped me decide to keep my current gear and upgrade to the 5800x3d. Picking it up today local for 200$. Coming from the 3900x. Thanks man!
5800x3d is hands down the absolute best cpu for sim racing, other than the newly released 7800x3d...Single core performance and large single core cache makes such a huge difference. Even I am cpu bottlenecked and I only have a 2070super. I have used laptops for years and years but I am finally gonna go back to desktops just for an x3d chip.
absolutely! and of course the 7800x3d will be better, but since you have to upgrade mainboard and ram as well it just wouldn't fit in this comparison :)
Great! Maybe check if your P-Bar in the performance graphs also turns orange/red, this could indicate problems with RAM (not enough ram, mismatched RAM sticks, not enough speed) as this could also create microstutters.
I ended up building earlier then expected and went 5800x3d solely because of this video and paired it with a 7900xtx. Runs great and have everything graphically turned on and or on high/ultra settings
I upgraded from a 3900X to the 5800X3D , its a night and day difference , way more than you expect from only 1 Gen Difference , the V-Cache does the trick in Games . If your Motherboard supports PBO2 and Curve optimiser in the UEFI i recommend to enable it and set the Curve Optimiser to negative 30 which means you undervolt the CPU = less Power usage , less Voltage but at the same Time it uses the new Voltage Headroom to clock higher = in Games you will see the 5800X3D boost to 4,45 - 4,5 GHz permanently on all Cores . If PBO2 + Curve Optimiser is disabled for the 5800 X3D in your Bios you still can use it via the Software PBO2Tuner which activates it under Windows Negative 30 should work with most 5800X3D which is already the maximum ( in Bios ) , you can choose higher Numbers in the Software , but it had no benefical effect as i tried it . Its not overclocking , normally the Voltages are even lower than Standard = there is no risk to damage your CPU. It works fine since 8 months , first i used PBO2Tuner , later Asus released a new Bios which unlocked the PBO2 Tuner + Curve Optimiser and since then i use the Bios option
Thanks a bunch for this extensive comment, it just gave me food for thought. I got a 3900xt and am extremely on the fence if I really wanna invest the money for an x3d or wait given my best graphics card is a 6650xt (and for what I play, it s plenty of gpu power). I actually wanna upgrade a system with a R7 1700 and keep wondering if given my rather weak graphics cards (1660ti & 6650xt) the x3d could be possibly worth it over another used 3900x(t). I ve had most AMD cpus in builds for family and friends but all with lower mid range gpus and my verdict so far was...Ryzen 1000 to 3000= big jump, from 3000 to 5000= minor jump so leaned towards a used 3000 gen cpu as replacement for the 1700.
Just upgraded my graphics card and have been on the fence for a while. I have a 5600X and I am very happy with its performance. Not sure how much of an uplift I would get with the 5800X3D, especially at higher resolutions. On the other hand, I do not want to wait too long. I do not want to lose out, should they go out of stock.
Good unique content, I was actually thinking of throwing together a second PC just for sim but was going to either use the 3700X I had sitting around or a 5600. You've now convinced me to throw a 5800X 3D in it, same as my main desktop as the gains are pretty insane. Would be interesting to know if the gains persist at higher resolutions or if there is a point where the GPU is such a bottleneck, additional CPU doesn't help.
Thanks for the video, I am currently on a 3800X and been thinking about getting the 5700X3D. Which I guess is a scenario that roughly translates to your case of the 3900X to 5800X3D. I wish I did bite the bullet earlier when I was considering the now extinct 5800X3D
I went from a 3600 to 5800X3D this week. Wow. Simply astonishing difference. I have also undervolted the CPU which has lowered temps significantly with no impact to iRacing performance. Undervolt actually makes synthetic benchmarks like Cinebench run faster.
I'm on a 2700x with 3070 .... the 2700x has been great, but it seems like a no-brainer; if I upgrade to the X3D, it will provide an all-round performance boost to the system that's probably very high on the performance-per-£ scale. Versus e.g. getting a 4070 GPU to upgrade the 3070.
I'm willing to bet that you would only see like a 3-5fps upgrade if you just bought the better GPU, you will vastly improve your system by going for the 5800X3D!
both the 3900x and the 5800x are much more dependent on fast memory clocks and (sub-)timings. as you do not mention those, that could be a reason for the big difference between them. also, your asymmetrical memory configuration could also hurt performance on the non-3d cpus however, this is actually another reason to buy the x3d, because you can almost ignore memory as long as it runs at around 3200. the same should somewhat be true for zen4 3d vs non-3d, but i haven't found any tests regarding that, yet
for sure, very important points. the non x3d amd cpu's absolutely REQUIRE overclocked/tuned memory to exposed their real performance. All chips should be able to run 3600mt/s ram 1:1 with 1800mhz infinity fabric minimum... my 3800x can do 3800 mt/s 1:1 with 1900 IF, and the 5000 series can do even better. This will easily get you double digit % gains, even 20-30 in some cases, compared to stock, not to mention the CPU core overclocking that can be done (though this will be relatively minor compared to the memory... maybe 5% gains, 10% max, again the 5000 series has a little more headroom here as well if i recall... but my 3800x can do all core at 4.4ghz easy and single cores can hit 4.6ghz.)
Very helpful test, thank you! Did you experience any big drops at the new tracks like Zandvoort or Mugello like many others or does the 5800X3D keep your system saved from that? Would be interesting to hear
it certainly is! plus it is kinda calming that you know that you will have the best and last CPU for this mainboard generation. so you can take time for the next ones, i'm sure you'll be happy with the 5800X3D for at least 4 years. until then the new RAM sets will be cheaper which makes the upgrade better until then :)
Just to be clear he's playing at 1080p at 4K the differences will be much smaller as far more of the workload is on the GPU. Also, if you like to use Ultra settings in graphically complicated games, it's the same thing. Add those together and you'll see no difference. For example Cyberpunk tests show them being all the same FPS as it's the GPU that's the limit. But for high framerate eSports, low res and not graphically demanding (like this video) it can make a difference.
Your graphics settings were set up for triple 1080 resolution but your rig in the background has an ultra wide? Can you elaborate a bit on this? I have a 5800x3d with a 3090 (both water cooled) and if memory is correct I get around 200 fps in triple 1440 (I lock the game at 144fps).
The monitor you see behind me is my normal work setup, the racing rig including the windows PC is in the basement with terrible lighting and sound, therefore bad for videos :)
I know this about iracing. But I video edit, have the 3900x would I gain by upgrading to the 5800x3D? Video really doesn't gain with more cores, so any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm a 1960s older person that does Video, Photography, video editing etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know nothing about processor's. There are so many, I am running Gigabyte B450m, 250GB m.2, 1000 GB SanDisk SSD, 32 GB ram with MSI 1660 graphics card, 15 TB External Storage. Thanks again for your time and effort helping me.
I’m pretty sure that a better graphics card would help you more on that part. Todays software like premiere and davinci can really profit from powerful gpus, leaving the cpu with nothing to do. What software are you using to edit?
I made that exact upgrade, a 5800x to a 5800x3d. Be aware that this game is an outlier, most games you will not see nearly this amount of uplift. This game just happens to be *INCREDIBLY* cache sensitive. the 5800x3d is fast enough to really make the 7000 series uninteresting to me. ill hold onto it till atleast the 8000 series, or i get a gpu faster than my 6800xt that bottlenecks on the cpu. whichever comes first.
Some reviews say the 5800x3d only gives about 5% or less in most games and only a few games (3 or 4) show 10% + advantage. Hardly seems worth an upgrade unless you play those few games that give the 10%+ advantage.
Excellent video! Thank you for making it! I would like to know what numbers are like with FSR off and FXAA off (SMAA should be more demanding and produce higher quality anti-aliasing). Those make things easier for your system. I have a 3700X and RTX 3070 and am considering a 5800X3D for my next upgrade.
Parabéns Daniel! Este seu review foi perfeito. A análise que eu procura, você foi muito especifico, mais uma vez parabéns! Você poderia dizer qual temperatura a Cpu alcançou? Será que com um bom Air coolern junto com um bom Air Flow dariam conta para refrigerar o processador ? Abraço
For some reason racing sims scale very well with 3D V-Cache CPU's, ACC behaves very similarly to this game. The 7800X3D as you mention is even faster with fast DDR5 RAM support, and support for faster CPU's in the future on the AM5 motherboard platform.
While it heavily depends on the Game you want to play, as some dont make use of the expanded L3 Cache and even with undervolting and perma 4.45 or 4.5GHz on the 5800X3D, its slightly slower than the original 5800X, the margin is at worst about 10% but mostly even less than 5%, so it is still a decent upgrade from a older Ryzen 1,2 or 3000, as it still beats all of them. But when it comes to games that make use of the 3DV-Cache....Oh Boi, then you really want to make sure that your GPU doesnt start to limit.^^ But even if it dos, like my RTX 3080 Aorus Master 12GB does in Cyberpunk 2077 at QHD with DLSS 2 Quality and Raytracing on Psycho, it still gave me a little Boost in the Average, but a sometimes massive Boost in the 1% lows compared to my old 3700X (on a X570 Aorus Pro with 32Gigs of DDR4 3600CL16), making the entire game appear to run much smoother, regardless of what you do or where you are, which also goes for the Witcher 3 with RT on at Hierarchs Square, where the game also now runs much more consistent for example. PBO Tuner2 with a Curve of (depending on how good your chip is) -30 to -50, gives it some edge, as it allows it to run with less voltage and run ooler, while in return also pretty much always runs on max boost, instead of just 4.3GHz or so, only Prime managed to drag it down again to 4.3, not even Cinebench got it down after the slight undervolting.
MSI Owners......... if you have a 5800X3D and msi motherboard enable combo strike 3 in the bios give it a test make sure you are stable and enjoy better clocks and lower temps:) i have it on a b550 gaming plus with a ek basic 240 cooler, in cinebench r23 i score 15112 all cores run 4450mhz single 4450-4550mhz and all at 73c :), Enjoy 😀
@@thepathnotfound it’s basically like using pbo but saves you having to mess about it’s basically just a set and forget, it’s basically an overclock but it lowers power consumption, and temp which Inturn gives better performance using level 3
When I had a 3080FE, this CPU didnt make sense because the GPU was usually the bottleneck in VRChat and when Sim racing on triple 1080p's. But now I have a 4080 it's rarely every at or above 95% usage. Now my 5800X is the bottleneck. I may switch soon.
I used the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 and have no issues with heat. But I am also racing at a very cool room temperature (16 C), so the results might not be very comparable.
thanks for gods sake the 5800x3d exists, because i have a 5600x and wanna upgrade my cpu this year, but i also wanna stay with am4, i guess ill go the 3d route :D
Is the 3900x bottleneck for 3070 ti? I notice a lot of stutters generally for the 0.1 and 1% fps and low gpu usage at all. Should i go for 5800x3d for my 3070 ti?
if you want to benchmark the CPU the resolution doesn't matter. I would only invalidate pure CPU Results by increasing the load on the GPU and creating a possible bottleneck by the GPU. Another test for GPU Settings is currently in the works.
Every time a GPU finishes drawing a picture, it goes back to the CPU and asks it for more work to do. If the graphics card is told to draw the Mona Lisa in 8k; that will take a lot longer than drawing a stick figure at 480p would. If the CPU is giving the gpu simple shit to draw; the GPU is going to keep coming back and harassing the fuck out of the CPU faster that it can come up with new instructions. That's when you start to see CPU bottlenecks.
You don't understand the scenario at all. CS:GO is a title that always relies on higher clockspeed, however only when it's already pushing out ludicrous amounts of frames. The X3D processors, at least the earlier ones, didn't natively clock as high as the other processors. At a certain point, when no graphics card in the world is having any sweat with the game, it comes down to clockspeed. And it's also why it's one title where Intel tends to win. This is a well-known phenomenon, that only applies to a few titles, usually undemanding ones. What the 3D-cache does is not only generally providing much higher frames, but also preventing horrendous dips in GPU-utilisation, which are a frequent issue with other processors. Look for example at benchmarks of Baldur's Gate 3 (BG3), which is known for its ludicrous CPU demand in certain places. (It is a very boring, very overrated game btw, with hardly any atmosphere and bad or non-existent story. Just like to add that. Larian just gained a good image at a certain point.) There are dips to 65% GPU utilisation, starting with a mere RTX 4060, unless one has a 3D Cache (and I don't know what regarding Intel). Though the game with possibly the worst GPU utilisation in the world is Returnal, ironically a console port. Which reminds me, the console port Dragon's Dogma 2 also is horribly CPU limited. These are scenarios where one can clearly see a 20% jump in utilisation, when they are almost never 100% anyway. So those 20% extra look really nice, or they help prevent a look of a pure waste of money for a card... But 80% to 100% are a more common scenario that one will see in various games or at certain settings. That is basically the background of "higher fps", in a way it means that your GPU works to its maximum.
it depends on the game for sure, but even if a game would use all 24 theoretical cores they wouldn't use the same clock rate as the 8 core CPUs. If all 24 Threads are being used a 3900X goes up to 4.2ghz while a 5800X goes up to 4.6ghz when all 16 threads are being used. Event at 16 threads the 3900X goes only to 4.2Ghz. So if a game uses 16 threads (very uncommon) the 5800X still has 450Mhz per thread more. Source for 3900X: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/20.html Source for 5800X: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/21.html
I wouldnt say, that the x3d is worse then the non 3d, because he has way better min fps then the non 3d (in csgo) Despite it, the video served some good informations! Like! :)
Can run this game wish my low specs? My current computer Specs: -NZXT Case -Monitor: GIGABYTE 27" 165Hz 1080P Curved Gaming Monitor -Speakers: Edifier R1700BT Bookshelf Speakers -Motherboard: GIGABYTE: AORUS Elite -RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 32GB (Speed 3600MHz) -CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core, 24-Threads -CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Black -Video Card: RTX 3060 TI -PSU: Corsair 650 Watt -SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (Gen 4 NVME) -HDD: Western Digital Blue 4TB HDD -HDD: Western Digital Black 8TB HDD -Keyboard: RGB Typewriter Style Mechanical Gaming Keyboard -Mouse: Redragon 19 buttons MMO Mouse -Win10 Pro 64bit -Also an Alexa sitting right next to my Edifier speakers
lots of stuff that is not really relevant, so lets focus on the important parts: RAM is more than enough and fast. Your CPU is okay, the 5800X3D would be faster, but you can run iracing fine for sure. The GPU is enough for the Monitor, especially if you set FSR to Quality, if you wish to run triples in the future it might be a bottleneck.
48gb ram? You are hurting performance with mismatched ram. 32 or 64 and 3600 cl 16 or lower will get you minimum. 10% more fps I tested extensively . My 5800x3d and rtx4090 with 64gb 3600 ram is currently holding 33rd spot in world leaderboard on unigine superposition benchmark . 1080p high . The ram matching and base timings are critical.
Great video but this game is an outlier , most games you will not see anywhere near this much difference especially at 1440p, a game that i play RDR2 you will see no difference.
Absolutely. Your graphics card is even more potent than mine while the cpu is the same as i had. So you will see significant improvements with the 5800X3D
This was a better breakdown than many GPU-dedicated channels. You would make an amazing hardware analyst and I'd gladly take your input onboard seriously when it comes to buying decisions. iRacing is obviously a specific niche, which is totally fine, but maybe if you feel like it, for the purposes of channel growth, a breakdown like this, with some other games, would do crazy views. That might not be a priority though, which is fine. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks a lot for that feedback! I really appreciate it!
The only problem is that I don't have the CPUs around anymore, so I couldn't do tests on those platforms without spending money, and since I am far from making money with this channel I'm afraid that investment wouldn't pay off, but I will take it into consideration!
As others pointed out I have a bad memory setup right now (2x8gb + 2x16gb sticks). I guess I will try to compare that to just having 2x16 or even 2x8gb sticks, this might help others as well, in case there even is a difference - i'm not even sure if there is so I'd be happy to test that :)
And sorry for the delayed answer, I was on vacation :)
I upgraded from 3700X to 5800X3D like 3 months ago and I love it.
This is a really high quality video! From a production standpoint as well as on how detailled the benchmarks are described and executed.
Thank you very much for this!
he stole the graphs from i think linus tech tips lmfao.
The only game I play on my rig is iRacing, and I've been thinking about upgrading my machine so I could get back into driving (I fractured a vertebrae two years ago I haven't raced since, but I've recovered). My system is quite old (i5 10600K/1080 Ti). I also use a VR headset. This video is exactly what I needed to decide what route to go (R7 7800X3D and RX 7900 XTX). I cannot thank you enough for posting this superb video for our iRacing community.
Glad you liked it that much! Have fun!
Great video. For anyone on the fence, I went from a 5800X3D to a 7950X3D and all I play is iRacing and some other simulators. IMO, 5800X3D is the MOVE if you already have an AM4 socket board for sure. The only reason I really went up to AM5 was because I play in VR and there was still some room to improve on CPU frame times for that use case. But for the actual value, 5800X3D is still the king, hands down.
How much was your improvement from 5800X3D to 7950X3D ?
I start play in VR since i got one and with my 3900XT i got some huge frames drops.
With that drops i experience also some latency increasing llike i turn my wheel and the action is done arround 50 to 300ms after instead of instantly.
I'm also a 3D artist so it could improve my software on physics calculation too and 3D animation Viewport speed and other things.
@@iXiwar It's hard to say exactly what the increase was because I was already able to run 90fps locked most of the time with the 5800X3D, the 7590X3D just made the occurences of frame drops a lot less frequent and a lot less severe when they do happen. I would gather it's at least 15-20% better in VR for sims. Against a 3000 series AMD processor, it's going to be an absolutely massive jump. I had a 3900X and just the jump to 5000 series was huge, moving up again to 7000X3D would be big
@@BoostedSTIG thanks appreciate your answer
@@BoostedSTIGI get the value proposition for sure, I’m still debating on what to do. I play a lot of Star Citizen atm. For me I think I’m just gonna jump into AM5, with the caveat I might wait until the fall.
@@krokenlochen Yeah, I think now that my original comment is a year old and DDR5 has come way down in price and there are 'somewhat' affordable motherboards, the jump to the 7800X3D is the move now. There's also potential that a new AM5 compatible processor generation may be around the corner if you're waiting till fall. That could be an option too.
Was just looking for info on this specific to iracing. I'm currently running a Ryzen 7 3800 and a 3080 and I'm getting cpu bottlenecks. This is exactly the info I needed to convince me to go for the upgrade. Thanks very much for taking the time to do this comparison.
You will absolutely feel a difference going towards the 3D! Good luck in your races to come!
thanks for this video!
Excellent real world iRacing tests! I, too, had identified my CPU bottleneck with the 5600X @ mostly high settings on triples. Switched to the 5800X3D and the bottleneck went away on all high setting with HDR (I couldn't use HDR) with a RTX 3060 OC, but upped the GPU to the RTX 4070 Super!
Definitely big thumbs up to you for taking the time to put this together. Very informative and worth watching the whole video!
thanks a lot!
That is still very relevant. Ensured my decision to spend the money on upgrading from 5600X to the 5800X3D. Thank you.
Thanks for the vid! I am on 5800x3d and 3070ti so i can relate. This is the build most of us would love to have but still only few can afford due to overpriced parts. Grow your channel strong! :-)
thank you!
I am going through the same decision-making process at the moment. Got a GPU upgrade and noticed that I am bottlenecking pretty hard now with 3900x. Absolutely great video man!
Thanks for doing a SIM test, most testers don’t do it. I’d like to see you also test it on ACC and ANS2, so we can see if it also helps in those titles.
I couldn't provide comparisons to those anymore sadly, since I sold the 3rd gen and returned the 5800X. But I did a short comparison in ACC which i didn't include in the video. will update this as soon as i'm on my PC again. :)
fully agree....its always fps games . We need more VR fps test too
Brilliant video, this was just the info I was looking for.
Well done 👏 Great content and review. I just purchased the 5800x3d too as didn’t want to go the AM5 route just yet due to costs.
Really helpful 🙏
This was a great breakdown, I don't play iRacing but have been considering the 5800X3D to upgrade from my 3600.
I was on the fence on whether to buy the 7800x3d or wait until the 9000x3d series drops early next year.. this really helped me decide to keep my current gear and upgrade to the 5800x3d. Picking it up today local for 200$. Coming from the 3900x. Thanks man!
5800x3d is hands down the absolute best cpu for sim racing, other than the newly released 7800x3d...Single core performance and large single core cache makes such a huge difference. Even I am cpu bottlenecked and I only have a 2070super. I have used laptops for years and years but I am finally gonna go back to desktops just for an x3d chip.
absolutely! and of course the 7800x3d will be better, but since you have to upgrade mainboard and ram as well it just wouldn't fit in this comparison :)
I have the 2070 Super paired with a 2600 CPU. Really excited to see how much of an update the 5800x3d will be for me.
7950x3d is better than the 5800x3d, and also 7800x3d depending on game.
Thanks for this video. I get micro stutters now and again in iRacing in VR on a 4090 with 5800X. Going to change it to the 5800X3d 🙂
Great! Maybe check if your P-Bar in the performance graphs also turns orange/red, this could indicate problems with RAM (not enough ram, mismatched RAM sticks, not enough speed) as this could also create microstutters.
This video helped make up my mind 💯. Gonna be upgrading the cpu and then my gpu in a few months
I ended up building earlier then expected and went 5800x3d solely because of this video and paired it with a 7900xtx. Runs great and have everything graphically turned on and or on high/ultra settings
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Thank you! :)
Great video!
great video, liked & subscribed
Awesome thank you!
Very detailed and refreshing analysis. I also have the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and see a huge difference. Thanks for the video!
I upgraded from a 3900X to the 5800X3D , its a night and day difference , way more than you expect from only 1 Gen Difference , the V-Cache does the trick in Games . If your Motherboard supports PBO2 and Curve optimiser in the UEFI i recommend to enable it and set the Curve Optimiser to negative 30 which means you undervolt the CPU = less Power usage , less Voltage but at the same Time it uses the new Voltage Headroom to clock higher = in Games you will see the 5800X3D boost to 4,45 - 4,5 GHz permanently on all Cores . If PBO2 + Curve Optimiser is disabled for the 5800 X3D in your Bios you still can use it via the Software PBO2Tuner which activates it under Windows Negative 30 should work with most 5800X3D which is already the maximum ( in Bios ) , you can choose higher Numbers in the Software , but it had no benefical effect as i tried it . Its not overclocking , normally the Voltages are even lower than Standard = there is no risk to damage your CPU. It works fine since 8 months , first i used PBO2Tuner , later Asus released a new Bios which unlocked the PBO2 Tuner + Curve Optimiser and since then i use the Bios option
Thanks a bunch for this extensive comment, it just gave me food for thought. I got a 3900xt and am extremely on the fence if I really wanna invest the money for an x3d or wait given my best graphics card is a 6650xt (and for what I play, it s plenty of gpu power). I actually wanna upgrade a system with a R7 1700 and keep wondering if given my rather weak graphics cards (1660ti & 6650xt) the x3d could be possibly worth it over another used 3900x(t). I ve had most AMD cpus in builds for family and friends but all with lower mid range gpus and my verdict so far was...Ryzen 1000 to 3000= big jump, from 3000 to 5000= minor jump so leaned towards a used 3000 gen cpu as replacement for the 1700.
Thank you so much for this information!! Ordered a 5800x yesterday. After seeing this I ordered a 5800x3d, sending the 5800x back.
Haha you’re in my boat then. Glad you liked the video!
Thank for this video man😊😊
Thank you for the content 👍
well done vid man.
Amazing Job
Just upgraded my graphics card and have been on the fence for a while. I have a 5600X and I am very happy with its performance. Not sure how much of an uplift I would get with the 5800X3D, especially at higher resolutions. On the other hand, I do not want to wait too long. I do not want to lose out, should they go out of stock.
Maybe have a look on used markets, some enthusiasts might’ve upgraded to the 7800x3D already :)
Glad I bought a b550 board when I got my 3700x, once I upgrade my gpu, that 5800x3d will be perfect.
Good unique content, I was actually thinking of throwing together a second PC just for sim but was going to either use the 3700X I had sitting around or a 5600. You've now convinced me to throw a 5800X 3D in it, same as my main desktop as the gains are pretty insane. Would be interesting to know if the gains persist at higher resolutions or if there is a point where the GPU is such a bottleneck, additional CPU doesn't help.
Thanks for the video, I am currently on a 3800X and been thinking about getting the 5700X3D. Which I guess is a scenario that roughly translates to your case of the 3900X to 5800X3D. I wish I did bite the bullet earlier when I was considering the now extinct 5800X3D
Nice review brah
I went from a 3600 to 5800X3D this week. Wow. Simply astonishing difference. I have also undervolted the CPU which has lowered temps significantly with no impact to iRacing performance.
Undervolt actually makes synthetic benchmarks like Cinebench run faster.
I havent been utilizing my 3900x, mainly using my pc for gamimg strictly now. 5800x3d seems like it would be a worthy upgrade. Great video.
Hi, 5700x3d vs 5800x3d? Do think freq. matters or is it only about the cache? 4070super + VR with foveated rendering
Thx man! Just want to upgrade from 5800x to 5800x3d. Now I'm 100% sure that it's a good idea!
Glad I could help!
im planning on upgrading to a 3d from a 3600x based on that im in for a nice improvement !
I'm on a 2700x with 3070 .... the 2700x has been great, but it seems like a no-brainer; if I upgrade to the X3D, it will provide an all-round performance boost to the system that's probably very high on the performance-per-£ scale. Versus e.g. getting a 4070 GPU to upgrade the 3070.
I'm willing to bet that you would only see like a 3-5fps upgrade if you just bought the better GPU, you will vastly improve your system by going for the 5800X3D!
both the 3900x and the 5800x are much more dependent on fast memory clocks and (sub-)timings. as you do not mention those, that could be a reason for the big difference between them.
also, your asymmetrical memory configuration could also hurt performance on the non-3d cpus
however, this is actually another reason to buy the x3d, because you can almost ignore memory as long as it runs at around 3200. the same should somewhat be true for zen4 3d vs non-3d, but i haven't found any tests regarding that, yet
for sure, very important points. the non x3d amd cpu's absolutely REQUIRE overclocked/tuned memory to exposed their real performance. All chips should be able to run 3600mt/s ram 1:1 with 1800mhz infinity fabric minimum... my 3800x can do 3800 mt/s 1:1 with 1900 IF, and the 5000 series can do even better. This will easily get you double digit % gains, even 20-30 in some cases, compared to stock, not to mention the CPU core overclocking that can be done (though this will be relatively minor compared to the memory... maybe 5% gains, 10% max, again the 5000 series has a little more headroom here as well if i recall... but my 3800x can do all core at 4.4ghz easy and single cores can hit 4.6ghz.)
Amazing work, thank You. Now i building pc for sim. and atlast i know which cpu take.
You’re very welcome!
Very helpful test, thank you! Did you experience any big drops at the new tracks like Zandvoort or Mugello like many others or does the 5800X3D keep your system saved from that? Would be interesting to hear
I have not noticed any dips in those tracks, no. They are typically more heavy on the gpu rather than the cpu. ☺️
@@danielwinterracing sounds good, I also have a 3070Ti but with a Ryzen 3600, think your video convinced me it's gonna be a worthwile upgrade
it certainly is! plus it is kinda calming that you know that you will have the best and last CPU for this mainboard generation. so you can take time for the next ones, i'm sure you'll be happy with the 5800X3D for at least 4 years. until then the new RAM sets will be cheaper which makes the upgrade better until then :)
Just to be clear he's playing at 1080p at 4K the differences will be much smaller as far more of the workload is on the GPU. Also, if you like to use Ultra settings in graphically complicated games, it's the same thing. Add those together and you'll see no difference. For example Cyberpunk tests show them being all the same FPS as it's the GPU that's the limit.
But for high framerate eSports, low res and not graphically demanding (like this video) it can make a difference.
Your graphics settings were set up for triple 1080 resolution but your rig in the background has an ultra wide? Can you elaborate a bit on this?
I have a 5800x3d with a 3090 (both water cooled) and if memory is correct I get around 200 fps in triple 1440 (I lock the game at 144fps).
The monitor you see behind me is my normal work setup, the racing rig including the windows PC is in the basement with terrible lighting and sound, therefore bad for videos :)
I know this about iracing. But I video edit, have the 3900x would I gain by upgrading to the 5800x3D? Video really doesn't gain with more cores, so any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm a 1960s older person that does Video, Photography, video editing etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know nothing about processor's. There are so many, I am running Gigabyte B450m, 250GB m.2, 1000 GB SanDisk SSD, 32 GB ram with MSI 1660 graphics card, 15 TB External Storage. Thanks again for your time and effort helping me.
I’m pretty sure that a better graphics card would help you more on that part. Todays software like premiere and davinci can really profit from powerful gpus, leaving the cpu with nothing to do. What software are you using to edit?
I made that exact upgrade, a 5800x to a 5800x3d. Be aware that this game is an outlier, most games you will not see nearly this amount of uplift. This game just happens to be *INCREDIBLY* cache sensitive.
the 5800x3d is fast enough to really make the 7000 series uninteresting to me. ill hold onto it till atleast the 8000 series, or i get a gpu faster than my 6800xt that bottlenecks on the cpu. whichever comes first.
Some reviews say the 5800x3d only gives about 5% or less in most games and only a few games (3 or 4) show 10% + advantage. Hardly seems worth an upgrade unless you play those few games that give the 10%+ advantage.
Excellent video! Thank you for making it! I would like to know what numbers are like with FSR off and FXAA off (SMAA should be more demanding and produce higher quality anti-aliasing). Those make things easier for your system. I have a 3700X and RTX 3070 and am considering a 5800X3D for my next upgrade.
I will try to find time to talk about the specifics regarding graphic performance soon! :) And thanks!
@@danielwinterracing No hurry. Many of us appreciate this video that you created in the first place. Thank you!
Parabéns Daniel! Este seu review foi perfeito. A análise que eu procura, você foi muito especifico, mais uma vez parabéns! Você poderia dizer qual temperatura a Cpu alcançou? Será que com um bom Air coolern junto com um bom Air Flow dariam conta para refrigerar o processador ? Abraço
Good air flow is definitely enough to cool the x3D! I don’t have temperatures at hand but i never had problems with it.
For some reason racing sims scale very well with 3D V-Cache CPU's, ACC behaves very similarly to this game. The 7800X3D as you mention is even faster with fast DDR5 RAM support, and support for faster CPU's in the future on the AM5 motherboard platform.
yeah the 7800X3D is even faster, but it requires you to buy a new mainboard and ram, therefore spending about... 800 bucks for the upgrade.
@@danielwinterracing indeed, such is the way of the gamer.
how are your bios settings for the 5800x3d do you under volt?
and how is your cinebench score?
Will be upgrading my 2600X to a 5800X3D soon. Most likely a huge step forward :D
That will be a huuuuge step yeah!
While it heavily depends on the Game you want to play, as some dont make use of the expanded L3 Cache and even with undervolting and perma 4.45 or 4.5GHz on the 5800X3D, its slightly slower than the original 5800X, the margin is at worst about 10% but mostly even less than 5%, so it is still a decent upgrade from a older Ryzen 1,2 or 3000, as it still beats all of them.
But when it comes to games that make use of the 3DV-Cache....Oh Boi, then you really want to make sure that your GPU doesnt start to limit.^^
But even if it dos, like my RTX 3080 Aorus Master 12GB does in Cyberpunk 2077 at QHD with DLSS 2 Quality and Raytracing on Psycho, it still gave me a little Boost in the Average, but a sometimes massive Boost in the 1% lows compared to my old 3700X (on a X570 Aorus Pro with 32Gigs of DDR4 3600CL16), making the entire game appear to run much smoother, regardless of what you do or where you are, which also goes for the Witcher 3 with RT on at Hierarchs Square, where the game also now runs much more consistent for example.
PBO Tuner2 with a Curve of (depending on how good your chip is) -30 to -50, gives it some edge, as it allows it to run with less voltage and run ooler, while in return also pretty much always runs on max boost, instead of just 4.3GHz or so, only Prime managed to drag it down again to 4.3, not even Cinebench got it down after the slight undervolting.
I just upgraded from a r5 3600+2X8GB / 2080Super, to a 5800X3D and RTX 4080 FE (OPEN BOX,saved me 165 USD. The 5800X3D is the 1080Ti of CPUs.
Very nice video for this game to show how powerfull the 5800 x3d is.
what about the 5950X vs. the 5800X3D?
what is your mem configuration? I have a hard time imagining a 48gig stick combo that also supports a good xmp setting
I have 2x8GB and 2x16GB, all running the same XMP Setting. But yes, I have thought about removing the 2x8GB for better performance.
Thanks for the work here Daniel. I recently upgraded to the 5800x3d and I'm blown away by the gains ❤
MSI Owners......... if you have a 5800X3D and msi motherboard enable combo strike 3 in the bios give it a test make sure you are stable and enjoy better clocks and lower temps:) i have it on a b550 gaming plus with a ek basic 240 cooler, in cinebench r23 i score 15112 all cores run 4450mhz single 4450-4550mhz and all at 73c :), Enjoy 😀
Thanks!
@@JohnnyEMatosyour welcome 🙂
I have a 5800x3d and a MSI unify board, Does this have something to do with rapid access memory?
@@thepathnotfound it’s basically like using pbo but saves you having to mess about it’s basically just a set and forget, it’s basically an overclock but it lowers power consumption, and temp which Inturn gives better performance using level 3
great video, already have a new board and ram waiting for when the 7000x3d chips drop in a few weeks to replace my 5800x3d :)
You won't see a huge difference. the 5800x3d is already way too powerful :)
@@whitedragonracing I bought one yesterday 330 dollar
@@whitedragonracing Trust me they are worth it. It feels like a 13900k
When I had a 3080FE, this CPU didnt make sense because the GPU was usually the bottleneck in VRChat and when Sim racing on triple 1080p's. But now I have a 4080 it's rarely every at or above 95% usage. Now my 5800X is the bottleneck. I may switch soon.
What was the coolers used? Was it much harder to keep the x3d chip cool?
I used the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 and have no issues with heat. But I am also racing at a very cool room temperature (16 C), so the results might not be very comparable.
It’s easier to cool than the 5800x AMD wasn’t able to achieve super high clockspeeds with the 3Dvcache so less power draw.
Cool 🙂
i have a 3900xt and thinking about upgrade to 5800x3d, keeping tha am4. is it a good idea?
You are doing exactly what i did :) so yes, go for it!
Just wondering: would we get same or similar results with AC, ACC, Automobilista2 ?
I have seen similar results in ACC. I did not test AC and do not own automobilista, sorry. :)
thanks for gods sake the 5800x3d exists, because i have a 5600x and wanna upgrade my cpu this year, but i also wanna stay with am4, i guess ill go the 3d route :D
Is the 3900x bottleneck for 3070 ti? I notice a lot of stutters generally for the 0.1 and 1% fps and low gpu usage at all. Should i go for 5800x3d for my 3070 ti?
Well that's exactly the setup i had before and after in this video :) so you will see pretty much my gains across the board. Go for it! :)
You have wrong percentage calculations at 13:40 in 1% Lows section.
However i messed that up - you’re right! I guess it doesn’t break the conclusion though :)
If a game loves the 3D cache, it sure makes a huge difference. sadly not every game is like that.
TLDR
Game likes cores ? 5800x3d
Game likes clock ? (csgo) 5800x or intel
720p tests? srsly?
if you want to benchmark the CPU the resolution doesn't matter. I would only invalidate pure CPU Results by increasing the load on the GPU and creating a possible bottleneck by the GPU.
Another test for GPU Settings is currently in the works.
Every time a GPU finishes drawing a picture, it goes back to the CPU and asks it for more work to do. If the graphics card is told to draw the Mona Lisa in 8k; that will take a lot longer than drawing a stick figure at 480p would. If the CPU is giving the gpu simple shit to draw; the GPU is going to keep coming back and harassing the fuck out of the CPU faster that it can come up with new instructions. That's when you start to see CPU bottlenecks.
Upgraded from a 1800x and my frames doubled lol
Glad to hear that!
You don't understand the scenario at all. CS:GO is a title that always relies on higher clockspeed, however only when it's already pushing out ludicrous amounts of frames. The X3D processors, at least the earlier ones, didn't natively clock as high as the other processors. At a certain point, when no graphics card in the world is having any sweat with the game, it comes down to clockspeed. And it's also why it's one title where Intel tends to win.
This is a well-known phenomenon, that only applies to a few titles, usually undemanding ones. What the 3D-cache does is not only generally providing much higher frames, but also preventing horrendous dips in GPU-utilisation, which are a frequent issue with other processors.
Look for example at benchmarks of Baldur's Gate 3 (BG3), which is known for its ludicrous CPU demand in certain places. (It is a very boring, very overrated game btw, with hardly any atmosphere and bad or non-existent story. Just like to add that. Larian just gained a good image at a certain point.)
There are dips to 65% GPU utilisation, starting with a mere RTX 4060, unless one has a 3D Cache (and I don't know what regarding Intel).
Though the game with possibly the worst GPU utilisation in the world is Returnal, ironically a console port. Which reminds me, the console port Dragon's Dogma 2 also is horribly CPU limited. These are scenarios where one can clearly see a 20% jump in utilisation, when they are almost never 100% anyway. So those 20% extra look really nice, or they help prevent a look of a pure waste of money for a card...
But 80% to 100% are a more common scenario that one will see in various games or at certain settings. That is basically the background of "higher fps", in a way it means that your GPU works to its maximum.
doesnt the 3900x doesnt boost all cores because of the game engine?
it depends on the game for sure, but even if a game would use all 24 theoretical cores they wouldn't use the same clock rate as the 8 core CPUs.
If all 24 Threads are being used a 3900X goes up to 4.2ghz while a 5800X goes up to 4.6ghz when all 16 threads are being used.
Event at 16 threads the 3900X goes only to 4.2Ghz. So if a game uses 16 threads (very uncommon) the 5800X still has 450Mhz per thread more.
Source for 3900X: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/20.html
Source for 5800X: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/21.html
I wouldnt say, that the x3d is worse then the non 3d, because he has way better min fps then the non 3d (in csgo)
Despite it, the video served some good informations! Like! :)
As i said i focused only on iRacing. And in csgo both get north of 500fps anyways, so that doesnt matter.
@@danielwinterracing yeah I know, but I just wanted to say that ^^
Can run this game wish my low specs?
My current computer Specs:
-NZXT Case
-Monitor: GIGABYTE 27" 165Hz 1080P Curved Gaming Monitor
-Speakers: Edifier R1700BT Bookshelf Speakers
-Motherboard: GIGABYTE: AORUS Elite
-RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 32GB (Speed 3600MHz)
-CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core, 24-Threads
-CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Black
-Video Card: RTX 3060 TI
-PSU: Corsair 650 Watt
-SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (Gen 4 NVME)
-HDD: Western Digital Blue 4TB HDD
-HDD: Western Digital Black 8TB HDD
-Keyboard: RGB Typewriter Style Mechanical Gaming Keyboard
-Mouse: Redragon 19 buttons MMO Mouse
-Win10 Pro 64bit
-Also an Alexa sitting right next to my Edifier speakers
lots of stuff that is not really relevant, so lets focus on the important parts:
RAM is more than enough and fast.
Your CPU is okay, the 5800X3D would be faster, but you can run iracing fine for sure.
The GPU is enough for the Monitor, especially if you set FSR to Quality, if you wish to run triples in the future it might be a bottleneck.
48gb ram? You are hurting performance with mismatched ram. 32 or 64 and 3600 cl 16 or lower will get you minimum. 10% more fps I tested extensively . My 5800x3d and rtx4090 with 64gb 3600 ram is currently holding 33rd spot in world leaderboard on unigine superposition benchmark . 1080p high . The ram matching and base timings are critical.
So I've tested your claims and I can confirm: that's just simply not true :) But see for yourself: ua-cam.com/video/sIN4qLG55Zo/v-deo.html
And now jump to race RF 2 and see the difference.
good?
Great video but this game is an outlier , most games you will not see anywhere near this much difference especially at 1440p, a game that i play RDR2 you will see no difference.
Yes it depends heavily on the game, but „regular“ games are tested a ton on the web. Simulators are a completely different topic, hence the video :)
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Hey , i buy a 4070 and use 3900x pn 1440p. u think my cpu is in bottleneck and i must upgrade to 5800x3d?
Absolutely. Your graphics card is even more potent than mine while the cpu is the same as i had. So you will see significant improvements with the 5800X3D