Benchmade M4 Bailout VS 20CV Bugout - Which I Prefer and Why
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Couldn't decide.......bought both🤷♂️
I like your style
Hahaha
Will do. I will say that I'm a bugout fan boy and I've been carrying the Bailout more🤷♂️
I would love to hear how these two knives compare in use (from apples to cardboard please :p ). There are several reviews of the Bailout online, none really talks how it actually cuts.
That’ll end up being me too bud😅😅
excellent point on sharpening. I'd rather sharpen M4 vs 20CV. I'd love an uncoated option for M4 on the bugout, because EDCi, Hoppe's #9 and Hoppe's Elite I currently have alot of. all around M4 might be my favorite "super steel" although it is DEFINITELY NOT stainless, its its toughness, Edge Retension and Edge Stability really works well for me... we all know eventually we're all going to cut something that we will have to cut in a semi twisting motion.. and rolls are easier to fix than chips. M4 has always sharpened super well for me, takes some time, but always comes up razor sharp by hand or by KME. it sharpens much easier than 20CV to me, and both have edge retension that is better than good enough for any reasonable thing / task I can imagine or have ever run into.... I would straight up go with the tougher more stable steel... and if anyone cant figure out how to get a razor sharp hair shaving/whittling edge. send to me, I can hook it up, I have an unreasonable amount of KME Stones, from aluminum oxide to silicon carbide to diamond and double digit amount of strops lol
Thanks for the comparison, didn't know much about the bailout and now I do. I have a couple of bugouts - the CF s90 and an AWT scaled version - agree with most all of your points, definitely too expensive, but man, it's just the right EDC knife for me, I really enjoy them.
I got my Bailout M4 for $200 at Collectors Firearms. Absolutely love it so far. One thing I really like is that it’s so light and thin I can actually wear it in my right pocket next to my phone and it doesn’t get in the way when I take it out and put it back. First knife I’ve had that I could do that. And because it’s tip up it’s pretty important for me as it frees up my left pocket for whatever else.
Just leave it alone. Good advice. When I get my benchmades up here in Canada, the pivots are usually tightened right down so the customs guys can't confiscate them for being a gravity knife. So I adjust the pivot and that's it. My 391 swings beautifully with no blade play, but I suppose that's down to luck, as manufacturing tolerances do vary - no getting by that. I think I like the bail out better.
if you dyed the grey scales on the bugout black then you'd have a blackout with green accents
I had one omega spring break on my bugout after a couple months of long fidget time. I replaced them with some generic etsy springs with a slightly larger diameter. Replaced the scales with aluminum and it's a much better user now... one day when I grow up I'd love to get my hands on a Hinderer XM18. Love the content keep up the Awesomeness.
Can't go wrong with an Xm18! :) Much recommended, although a much different beast than a Bugout (both positively and negatively in some aspects). Hope you'll get one soon (or alreaady have)!
"Don't let me salt your onions" Hahahahaha I love that!
I have both, love both. My bugout started stock, but got a treatment from Matt at Rockscale Design. My bailout is stock, and was in my pocket today. I'm a tanto guy personally. Honestly they're both great. Benchmade spent a career as a NYC paramedic in my pocket..... And yes, I've used glass breakers similar to the Bailout. Honestly I'll choose when I'm drinking my coffee in the morning. (But, it'll be my Emerson)
I’ve got the bailout in 3v. Excellent knife to carry and has stayed sharp for the duration of time that I’ve owned it.
The titanium Bugout is one of my favorite knives.
I’m holding off until I can customize the bailout. I love the tanto blade and the axis lock. not feeling the handle though. so hopefully it’ll be in the custom section soon
So true about just using the axis lock. Mine straight stuck when I first got it. Put a mirror polish on the brass bearings and it glides almost too smoothly lol
I’ve seen some interesting reviews of the Viper Fortis. Have you reviewed it? If not can you? It comes in G-10, carbon fiber, and titanium. Thank you for all your great work!
Thank you so much for saying u live in Kansas, I’ve been looking at both these knifes but was worried ab the Kansas weather for the M4
Bought the basic bailout from blade hq. Should be in tomorrow. I know lots of people are freaking out about the hardness of the steal, hopefully it won't be that bad, I'm just using it as an edc and I'm not bushcrafting with it so it should be fine
I don't think many hipsters are "Infiltrating structures".😉
HA!
Hahaha true bro
LOL, yeah it's up to your own preference. Love it every time you say it. 🤣👍
For me the Bailout is more suitable because I can get more use out of it when on duty.
Would love to see a video comparing the Bailout to the Para 2 Tanto. What do you think MC?🤔
It would prob go to bailout. It's thinner, lighter, cheaper, faster to deploy, better clip, stronger lock. The blade on the Tanto para is the best I've ever seen though.
Hey Metal, I tried to watch a few videos of that Shabazz guy, I could not do it. His voice makes me bat shit crazy, he sounds like a Jersey version of Elmer Fudd. That being said, you and Slicey are my favorites. Keep up the great work
The Bailout is my favorite knife. I carried the grivory version for years before I lost it last October at a pumpkin patch. I already had the green M4 version at home but I didn’t carry it at the time because I typically used the grivory 3V and the price point was high enough I wanted to keep it nice. After using the aluminum version I do carry it quite frequently now. I may be in the minority but I really like the grivory handles. I’m not saying they are better than the aluminum because they aren’t but maybe it’s because they are what I had carried daily for years I just have a positive opinion about them. I went out and bought another grivory 3V just because it really bothered me it wasn’t in my collection, I also have the bugout with Ranger green handles I carry at times. I really wish Benchmade gave consumers a zipper pouch and some swag stickers. I recently bought a Vosteed Raccoon and man they give better packaging and swag than Benchmade. I like to put knife stickers on my laptop, Benchmade is missing out on advertising as people ask me about the different stickers at times.
I've been really tempted to get a g10 m4 bugout but hard justifying 250 for it. However I feel like it would be a perfect knife. I absolutely love the m4 bailout in aluminum but I immediately had to by an aftermarket backspacer to get rid of that ridiculous "glass breaker."
You can now get one at skmw as exclusive for 208.
I broke an omega spring on the mini barrage,I didn’t feel like sending it in so I bought a few sets of omega springs for about $10 and it’s been fine ever since.
Dude you should totally check out Rockscale Design for the. He's got a backspacer to replace the pommel and Bailout titanium scales (and Bugout scales). The Ti scales are slightly heavier, but I mean it's titanium. He does batches, so just be on the site at the date/time the next batch starts.
He used to have a full Ti Bugout and I believe the backspacer was from Rockscale
Yeah I believe you can get the bailout anywhere. Got mine at the holy place... (Bass Pro Shops lmao)
If possible do a video on the best hard use knives. I'd say the Medford Marauder H.
Bailout is an awesome knife!
You'll have to do this video again with the new OD green and M4 bugout from SMKW.
My omega springs broke one after another after like two months of having my bugout, I just ordered a bunch of spare springs off aliexpress and now I don’t have to worry about them breaking
MC, perpetually salting my damn onions!
Im a fan of the bailout design way more but people need to make more custom scales for it
So @metal, if neither is your cup of tea, what is your favorite Benchmade and why? (not sure if you have a video about that)
Dude, your side bar comments are freaking hilarious...especially your nerdy voice impressions. Keep it up bud...
How dare you, sir! The gravity of you ridiculing the knife community for taking things too seriously cannot be overstated. I shall UNSMASH your “like” button!
And I’ll have you know, how I choose to infiltrate Mrs McKenzy’s structure is none of your business and I thank you to stay out of my personal affairs! Good day, sir!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I live in Missouri do u think m4 is something to worry about corroding?
I like edcs with window breakers. Idk why. I need to add bailout to the list. I noticed the shot show one doesn't have a breaker. Any idea if the regular 2023 versions do?
please do a review of 535bk-4 bench made!
So similar I kinda wonder why they’re separate products.. Gonna be a bailout for me later this year I think, as a tanto fan
I feel like a tanto would be preferable for infiltrating the structure due to the door stabbing capabilities
Crowbars/prybars & axes are the tools you want for breaching a door. A folding knife definitely isn't the right tool for "door stabbing".
I have Bugouts with CF , Titanium and the CF-Elite .... I will be getting one in G-10 as well as Micarta.
I would like the Bailout more without that lanyard loop stand off on the end.
You can get a back spacer to delete the pommel.
@@FlyfishermanMike where do you get the backspace?
@@timrai2100 Rockscale Designs. Probably other places as well.
The tanto would be great for self defense though.
To the inexperienced anything with a sharp edge and a point is great for self defense. And shouldnt a "slave of christ" not be concerned about hurting people with knives anyways? Lol.
Had the V3 bailout. Returned it for the better version with M4 and aluminum. So much better. Took the one out of the display at BassPro. Last one. Also, to hell with grivory. Lol
They both have their own sound as well.
"Slightly larger than average sized hands"! Has someone been watching Knife Center Vids?? You were David C Anderson right there! LOL
😂😂 I thought the same thing as soon as he said it
No,no,no...if you listen MC said slightly larger than "normal " not "average " sized hands.Its all trademarking.😉
@@_MiMo_ ok, but it’s all good. I see all of the knife community on the different chats and it’s good to see everyone supporting each other. 👍
😂😂
M4, M4, M4, M4 and M4 !
And between the two, M4!
I believe the handle shape is because of the tip the bailout has a stabbing tip
Why don’t they put the fu*king 940 in the custom shop?? Why is there no outcry for this? One of the most iconic knives! Why tf can’t I get my ideal m390/20cv loaded 940 after being a knife guy for so long for years - I loved benchmade upfront but their business practices have made me go to EVERY OTHER USA COMPANY
It's hard to beat the Bugout in the summer wearing shorts.
For sure!
20 minutes of my life i can never get back!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same here... 🤣
I too couldnt decide so i did what all of us "smart people" do and bought both then promptly put rockscales scales and backspacers on both and way too many dollars later i have my 2 most carried knives. 👍👍
Polished washers is magic ✨😅👍
Thank you for saying leave it alone
I appreciate the detailed discussion, but how do they cut different stuff?
Both thin behind the edge. Both are going to pass through material with relative ease. I dont do test cutting on this channel. My videos are strictly table top overview/review.
@@metal_complex thank you
This guy is great lol. Telling it how it is
I just take them apart by treating them like integrals, works great and you never have to touch the t6 torx.
Same here unless I'm putting on custom scales or cleaning the frame
Word. I love the channel man, fantastic videos.
@@metal_complex my bailout has custom aluminum and micarta scales love them
Shrsl links don’t appear to be active or working.
Benchmade, Custom shop knives are Alot Better Q. C. Custom shop knives are worth the price. Bailout is heavier Blade, that is why it closes easier. 🦊😉😁
I just bought the super freak and I got to be honest I miss my griptilian I'm just researching the steel m4
Don’t get rid of the freek. It has so much potential going for it. Watch DBK on UA-cam testing it vs fixed blade knives. You can still buy another griptilian with a steel that you prefer in the near future. I recently went to my local turner’s outdoorsman for a super freek or a mini adamas but weren’t in stock because of their sale, but I did manage to buy a bugout with carbon fiber scales and s90 steel. I figured that I needed a light weight when I’m wearing a suit or golf shorts. Btw the full size adamas is really scary big. Have fun collecting since we don’t wear fancy jewelry or carry expensive purses lol.
own both, like both - Im not sure how to sharpen tantos tho ! only if the bugout came in aluminum scales that would be a win for me
535-4 for the win!
@@johnagen3688 lol picked one up !
Bought a bugout after wearing they were ridiculous and I now live out so much I am getting a custom bugout with M4 and the Bailout both.
Got the 2 and luv them
Idk what the fuss is about with the disassembly of a bench made. Never touched a screw on a knife and I did a full scale and hardware swap in under 10 minutes on my mini bugout with no issues. Just stack all the parts on to the pivot than put the other scale on. Easy.
I chose the s90v carbon fiber bug out
Yeah I wear a large glove, and the bugout feels small
To me. The bailout feels perfect, just a little skinny. At least the old model did.
you are absolutely the Nutnfancy of the knife world...
How about just an M4 bugout?
Also, knife center had the bugout you have, on sale at 163 recently.
@Rand Cain 🤔 guess it was bhq haha
I'll take both.,! Benchmade started E D C.
Some of the links do not work
The Hogue Deka is MUCH cheaper with G-10 and 20cv
I've had my aluminum Presidio 2 for about 4 months and it still wont drop shut but I really could care less
Blue lub and adjust pivot screw ,
M4 upgrade on custom shop Is well worth it For the Money. 😁🦊🐺🐅
Super video! I applauded for $2.00 👏
Thank you! Much appreciated 😊🤝
I wanna see a black handled with tan accent glassbreaker with a tan cruwear blade in drop point and optional tanto or drop point blade styles. with gold pivots.
Or how bout, the ultimate secondary, which would be a blacked out everything thiccccck stubby (mid length) tanto blade, complete glass breaker, maybe some carbon fibre accents, anyone else wanna see any of these? what would be your ultimate knife?
Sorry what scales did you say on Bugout??🦊
"Salt your Onions", lol ....🤭😂🤣😜
My bugout has too much blade play. I really want to like it but it just feels too flimsy. Ordered a bailout couple of days ago. Something tells my I’ll like it as much as you like my 940.
Basically the same knives just different handle designs...I do like the T/E blade, I've had 2 bugouts so just ordered the bailout and another 4300sbk auto IMO the best model they make!!
Have the bugout just need the bailout
Me too!
The buyout have a metal liner yet? It feels so cheap for the price.
Its still a small Steel cartridge liner
The bailout is great but don’t use the glass breaker. Tried it on a peach of safety glass and it broke the screws an the glass breaker🥴
Despite the fact the knives are coated anyways: M4 is the better steel because it’s toughness is way better and edge retention is slightly better compared to 20cv.
"I wear XL gloves but that doesn't mean I have XL hands." Yeah, it kind of does, man. That's why you wear XL gloves! Imagine someone saying saying "I wear small gloves but that doesn't mean I have small hands."
Glove sizes are dumb.
Why is 3-v no good because of Rockwell hardness ? 3-v is a great blade steel.
The way the knife was hardened was the problem not the actual steel
Bailout over Bugout. 20cv over M4.
I have both sand I’d say neither - has to be the Osborne
M-4 will tend to rust. 3-v is a tuff yet good good stain resistant steel.
Combine the 2 and you get a 940-2
(Edit) better price for 940-2
I hate that there are no good bodies of saltwater to stab in Indiana. Stabbing freshwater is just no fun anymore.
No I love tanto style but lots of people don’t.
I love it too
That’s easy - the Spyderco
right, leave them alone, and they will get smooth..
There are some dealers who will regrind the tanto on the bailout into a drop point for free.
Wow who does that?
@@lavenderpants8695 northwest knives does it for free (or at least they did on the old bailout). REC does it as a $15 add-on. I forgot who else does it.
@@lavenderpants8695 I checked. Northwest knives still does the regrind but they are sold out at the moment. If $15 is a big deal, I’m sure they will restock; otherwise, REC’s $15 regrind is a fantastic option.
Bought both, love both. My buyout drops shut after 1 week of carry. Bailout just arrived, we'll see how long it takes to break in.
Is it better than a 940 though???
No but the super freak is best
@@wolfdna788 mini crooked river
The Bailout in my opinion the serrated Bailout is better than the Bugout.
That all depends on what you're cutting. Serrations are a pain to sharpen as well, and they get less and less useful over time because the material behind the edge wears much faster.
20 minutes and you say personal preference. And you gave us the similarities and differences. I can deal with that.
Having handled these alongside a hogue deka, I still prefer the hogue (particularly the wharncliffe). I know it has more hardware, but the fact that it's all T8 makes that far less frustrating so I call that a wash.
Man... I had a Bugout I hated it because of the Grivory or how ever ya spell that junk plastic ain’t nobody can convince me otherwise.. stock Bugout sucks! That one there... might as save the money an buy a Kershaw Link steel liner lock aluminum scales an 20CV blade all for like 99$bucks! I bet a million bucks would perform just as good as that Bugout! Not the same grind but Kershaw was smart enough to add a Swedge on the blade so its probably just as slicey as it! But yeah yeah sold my stock S30V Bugout for 140 bucks an bought the Kershaw Link only bad thing... the Kershaw Link can’t be de-assisted...
If I oil my mini bugout AT ALL, it becomes unbelievably gritty. So I run it dry. Drops shut.
My Bugout and a pair of aluminum scales are cheaper than the 20CV Bugout.
That’s still S30V.