Never heard an Atheist they say they wouldn't believe in god if he was proven to be real, just that they wouldn't worship him... Now, on the other hand I have seen several Christian saying that nothing could change their mind or that even if it was prove that Jesus was entirely made up, they would still contiune to believe.
Then there's the nutcases who insist that if the Bible claimed 2+2=5 they would believe it, or that if it said Jonah swallowed the whale (as opposed to vice versa), he would believe it. Religion rots the mind. Absolutely and demonstrably so.
Personally, I suspect most atheists would comply with Yahweh if he did manifest on stage at a religion debate. It's easy to put up a courageous front when you don't expect to ever need to be courageous. Which just calls into question why their god doesn't do that if he truly wants to be worshipped. Free will doesn't answer the question, since they presumably believed in their god before they started worshipping it.
@@Nemo12417 If the impossible happened and Yahweh was proven to exist, I would turn to evil so that I would not have to spend eternity with the jealous, infantile, perpetually angry, genocidal, malignant narcissist god of the Bible.
@@Nemo12417 If the impossible happened and Yahweh was proven to exist, I would turn to evil so that I would not have to spend eternity with the jealous, infantile, perpetually angry, genocidal, malignant narcissist god of the Bible.
For the n'th time: No, I'm not angry at your invisible friend. I'm angry at you, for trying to push me into obeying whatever you think your invisible friend is whispering in your heart of hearts.
The reason Atheists don't believe the gospel is not a cognitive problem, it is a spiritual one - “They are spiritually blind” (John 3:3). In other words, it isn't a rational decision they make, it is an emotional choice: they don't want God to exist. But they know he exists and hold the truth in unrighteousness - “They live in denial of reality” (Romans 1:18-22). ✝️
@@LordOfThePancakes Then show me the reality. Your invisible friend and me - intoduce us. Since you claim he is omniscient and omnipresent, he knows who I am and where to find me. He can pop in for a visit any time he wants. Prediction time: He won't. And you will have multiple excuses why. One of them being: "You just don't want to believe." probably.
@LordOfThePancakes bla bla bla who cares about yo delusional mindset. You are da only one denying reality guz you think magic exists lol. You can't even demonstrate with objective testable verifiable evidence that your gawd exists in reality besides fee fees and WAR on non believers of a ultimate gamble and smug mindset. Get help decepticons believers. Been such a boring war with you stupid heads. I think yo atheist to almighty purple unicorn creator. Prove me wrong.
If that never happened our medicine would be very far back from what it is now because in those camps they did move medicine by experimenting on people way forward than it was before. That is also why good amount of those scientists got picked up by other countries and they basically got away with what they did. So technically indirectly they saved more people than they killed.
If the side is an apologist i enjoy reminding them it was caused by the most infamous christian/abrahamic religious person in history AND it was sustained by reIigious ideas.
@@Julian0101 He himself wasn't religious but he did see value in religion as an idea unlike Stalin who saw religion as a problem and did a similar thing as our buddy here to religious people just because they were religious.
@@gandalainsley6467 Sorry dude, he himself was religious (as religious as any comon christian nowadays show to be), he was just another religious person who saw the value of religion to control the masses (just like many other religious idols also did). Remember, staIin also persecuted non believers, so by your logic he did so because they were non believers (the real reason is becasue they didnt follow him, regardless of their others beliefs, but nice try).
@@Julian0101 He wasn't religious at all. He personally disliked Christianity especially because of obvious reasons but he saw value in it. As for Stalin he persecuted anyone who was religious and educated . Basically he was a reddit atheist before that term existed. I actually live in a country where ww2's either outcome was bad for us because we were fighting on both sides. Not by choice btw. Here ww2 is described as brother killing brother because that was a pretty common occurence.
I'm not angry at Yahweh anymore than any fictional baddie. I'm more frustrated at these preachers that lie, misquote, and gleefully break one (or more) of their OWN commandments to lecture to their followers about what other groups are supposed to be like.
I agree with you, most people who are atheists have read the Christian Bible, and usually read other religious texts, and that IS the reason they don't believe. They read it, and realized it was not legit to keep it simple. It appears, or seems to me, from my personal experience, that 95% of Christians have never even picked up or read a bible verse.
That's why they attend church; to get someone else to read it to give the cliff-notes version and any implied moral lesson on a platter. It's sloth mixed with a sense of self-importance.
That is what usually people claim until you ask about context and then suddenly its like they never read it and was told what is in there by someone else. There are religious people who are exactly the same way.
Understandable. I would get angry at him as well if I were a woman and believed in him. I mean I would also get angry at him without being a woman if I was a believer, just for other reasons 😅
How can an atheist be "angry at God" when they don't believe in a god? These Christians just can't step outside their faith. Holdsworth is starting by assuming atheists as unreasonable, hateful, prejudiced, and angry. Not a good way to start.
even more so when Christian when ask that kind of thing usually about their God, not any other religions, like atheist only come up because of christianity, not because of religions in general
I don't like Thanos because he killed half of people everywhere, and I wanted the Avengers to kicked his purple butt. Granted, Thanos was fair, he did it not because it pleased him and he saved people at random instead of saving a family of a drunkard incestous slaver.
@@mistylover7398 1. present reason why not to like Thanos 2. show how Christian god is literally worse in every way 3. therefore, not liking that thing either.
I can sympathise. I've never met Cliffe, but there's something about the sound of his voice that bothers me. Mainly it's the sound of his voice dribbling bullshit ;-)
Yes, he keeps getting destroyed over and over and over again by Atheists but refuses to listen to anything they say. Keeps spouting the same ludicrous supernatural fairytale nonsense. He is ANNOYING! I can’t watch and listen to his gibberish anymore. He’s IRRITATING on top of that.
I believe that’s where the big disconnect is, they believe we accept the god premise but have some form of disagreement with it not that we hold it in the same regard as any other made up character.
@@Jcs57 Yes, or they think everyone has "god's word" written on their hearts and "knows" that god exists. They're so heavily indoctrinated that almost can't comprehend non-belief.
@@Jcs57 Pretty sure it has more to do with you acting like God exists while claiming that you don't that is the problem. Why otherwise you would need to be told how correct you are and would need to tell everyone else how wrong they are?
@@gandalainsley6467 Except I don’t that I’m right or they’re wrong I just hold their construct in the same regard as pixies, leprechauns, and unicorns I’ll move them into they are right category as soon as they present something more than claims, bald assertions, presuppositions backed by circular reasoning standing on a foundation of logical fallacies.
@@Jcs57 Do you watch videos about pixies and leprechauns where people in the videos tell you how right you are that you don't believe in them too ? If you do then I take back what I said and I apologize.
Too true. I would ask Brian if he is angry with Odin if he does not believe in Odin? It's the same thing as his title suggests. The other thing is, paraphrasing James T Kirk, what need does god have for arms, legs, head mouth, eyes, ears etc. ? When this Abrahamic god was the only thing in a non existent space what would it lift with arms, where would it walk with legs, what could it eat or breathe in with a mouth? Such hubris to think we are created in their god's image. It is often the case that gods are created in the image a community has of things they know about. Elephant gods where there are elephants, monkey gods where there are monkeys... What image would a nomadic people have who only had domesticated animals and people in their vicinity?
It' not pure anger, mostly it's frustration. I also don't listen to people evangelizing. Why listen to the same thing over and over again. And why debate to person that is not going to take arguments seriously and either gives you the same answers or makes it up ad hoc.
"and he was so angry!" And fictional. And if he was real, he wasn't angry at god, he was angry at the dishonesty of the preacher. The dishonesty of religion as a whole. The question of evil is always answered with something like "well god let it happen and god doesn't do bad things so it was a good thing, we just don't understand god's plan, we are so unworthy, we should thank god for all the pain he causes" It's the cult response that he's angry at, the North Korean praise of the leader as the leader pokes your eye out. THAT is what he was angry about: your lack of honesty.
@IanM-id8or At least the Jedi could give them a hand wave and the old, "You no longer believe any of what you said or anything in that book. You want to go home, re-evaluate, and find something productive to do with your finite time." I wish I could do that
I will happily acknowledge that, at times, I am angry about religion - Christianity & Islam in particular, but sometimes even Buddhism annoys me - the whole karma thing bothers me as it's used as an excuse to blame disabled and unfortunate people. However, no matter how offensive I might find religions to be, I'm never angry at God. That's because God is pretend. I don't bother being angry at imaginary characters. I'm annoyed at the very real institutions which perpetrate the offenses in question, and the people who use their imaginary friend to justify their hateful attitudes
"Why do you hate God" is the theist version of the Republican's "why do you hate freedom". It's a counter-attack to shut down what people are actually calling out, and an attempt to frame the conversation as some kind of emotional outburst
@gandalainsley6467 yep, I also have no problem telling others I do not believe in their invisible sky wizard, and oftentimes, they get very angry, but I just tell them TS.
@@grapeshot Kind of a contradiction man. I don't get what were you trying to do now with this comment though. Did you just brag about saying "mean things" online?
6:19 assuming he’s not just imagining the condescension - or projecting it - he should consider the possibility that any atheist willing to discuss the matters of faith and God and religion with an apologist like him has lived in the world their whole lives and is likely not unfamiliar with his faith and religion. So (1) he needs to make an argument that will persuade someone who is very familiar with Christianity and yet does not follow it. Not an argument that presumes the listener has just arrived on earth and has never heard of Christianity. And (2) he needs to make an argument that the listener has never heard before. Because definitionally, every argument they’ve heard before has failed to persuade them to believe in God or to be a Christian. So when you open the discussion by condescending to the atheist by assuming they’ve just never had God/Christianity explained to them “properly”, or by telling them they secretly believe in God they just don’t realize it, or by asserting that if they had an open mind and understood what you were saying they would be a believer so they must be either closed-minded or stupid, yeah, they might condescend right back. And when you claim to have new information that might persuade them and then repeat the same dozen arguments they’ve heard dozens or hundreds of times before, or when you think you have an ironclad argument that is full of holes or tautological or begs the question, or they can see where your argument is going and what’s wrong with it from your first statement, some people are going to respond by being condescending.
If you google “condescension” his photo comes up on top of the search. 😅 Besides, where’s the passage of the Bible that tells Christians to whine incessantly about the attitude of the people they are trying to convince? As always, this whining and complaining and presenting as victims is not directed at atheists: it’s a retention tool for believers. It’s in a milder and more subtle form so it’s less easy to pick up but it’s the same technique of demonizing the outsiders that cults use on their members. “Don’t pay attention to them because atheists are snarky, condescending, emotional, irrational, don’t want to listen, are not open to changing their minds, etc. etc. etc.”
I'm going to give an answer before even listening: Yes, but its the same way I'm 'Angry' at Thanos 😅 That damn Gauntlet gave him access to the most powerful 'Wish Machine' in the Universe. He wants to end hunger in said universe, and the best idea he could come up with was Kill Half of Everything? The Planet of Intelligent Rabbits would be back to the same problem in a week, while he just sent the Planet of Elves into extinction (and he just killed off half of the food source to the half that was left). If he were an intelligent 'Eternal' (one of the oldest, 'Wisest' species in the Galaxy), he would have just said "Let there be Enough of Everything For Everyone, Everywere Forever", problem solved. In the same way I can't see Supremely Good, Supremely Powerful being doing the things he is supposed to have done in the Bible and not being able to see the same problems I saw with Thanos......but overall Thanos is a better Bad Guy than Yahweh 😏
This story never happened.... but if it did, the reason the man walked away after pointing out a flaw with your god is that hes heard EVERY response before..... we all have heard every response.... it gets old.
Yeah, its a common excuse you have there. Reminds me little bit of those asshole kids from childhood with who you could never play anything with because any time something wasn't going their way they would just quit and come up with some excuse how you lost the game. It was very annoying.
Christian talking bollocks as usual. How can I be angry at someone who's not there? I'm glad London, that you did most of the talking for this one. I appreciate that you are willing to share certain aspects of your private life with us. All the best to you and yours.
I’m baffled how one can have a relationship with nothing..a phantom. There is no back and forth. It’s a one way interpretation entirely biased by the subconscious - an unknown selfish ego. To ask questions of living religious figures only add their interpretation- which varies so widely it becomes comical. Some figures believe they are Jesus and want to wield power at the expense of others. So please tell me how one overrides their own subconscious motivations by a relationship with nothing? Submission to words - which are easily misinterpreted- is insane
G.K Chesterton was an author who wrote books and plays questioning faith and philosophy etc. I'm a big fan of his work even though I'm an atheist. He converted to Catholicism later in life and wrote the Father Brown stories in which a priest solves crimes.
Exactly. Who cares wha EVIL gawd does we Christian decepticons will fight for our gawd to do anything he wants. Like a drunk driver who doesn't care bout da law and go's through every red lights. 🚨🚔🚨
@@mistylover7398 Evil does not exist if there is no devil and devil does not exist if God does not exist(or never existed. There are people who believe that God existed and now is dead). Everything becomes subjective and I actually lived my life that way for little while. Good is not what you or I agree with. Its something that in the long run will lead to the best outcome. Since we have no idea what we are actually doing we can't determine which will lead to the best outcome.
I haven't seen a shirt/vest combo like that since my son was 3 and I was shopping in the kids section. That guy would look really cute in a little sailor suit!
3:21 “imagine if Pundit A didn’t actually listen to any of Pundit B’s arguments, didn’t make any arguments that might persuade Pundit B, spent their time attacking Pundit B personally, and then stormed off when their ideas weren’t accepted by the others” Yeah, I totally see what Holdsworth is getting at; those conversations are- What‽ He thinks the _atheist_ is Pundit A‽‽ Seriously, I kinda get the impression that most Christian (and Muslim) apologists are completely oblivious, even after being told repeatedly, that the arguments they’re making aren’t persuasive to nonbelievers; they’re reassuring to believers. To be effective, they require you to already believe in their god/religion/cosmology, and are basically incapable of persuading folks who don’t already agree with the conclusion. Their arguments are all of the form “given that you love the taste of peanut butter and milk chocolate together, you’ll love Reese’s”. And when people say “I don’t like peanut butter and chocolate together” or “what is ‘peanut butter’?” or “I can’t stand milk chocolate” or “I’ve never tried them together, but it sounds yucky-what’s your argument for why I should try that combo?” they’re all like “since we know that everybody likes PB&chocolate, you’re just being contrarian”.
Grrrrr. WHY GOD WHHHHYYYY??? Btw He is referencing an interaction in a open outdoor forum at a college campus. The professor asking the question seemed to be just walking by and was asking a rhetorical question. Doubt he was a believer.
The sneer is a special skill some of us atheists perfect over the years, takes true determination to learn it. You have to focus and channel all your inner distain and disbelief into your words, express total smugness, and really emphasize the madness of what you've been told. Practice that and you to will have the sneer tm
I like how he's putting Christianity on the table as just another rational argument. Are the laws of thermodynamics really true? Is the circumference of a circle really described by πr²? Did Jesus die for our sins and rise from the dead? Just another ordinary question.
Being annoyed by a street preacher advertising their religion like a cheap used car salesman, is not the same as being angry at a god concept, and that old man has no obligation there. While I wouldn't even have wasted my time with it, him spouting off a comment in passing, does not equate to "atheists are angry at `God`" We don't even know if that old man WAS an atheist, but sure Brian, make a whole video about how all atheists are just working off emotions. That way you don't have to deal with the inexplicable concept you are pushing. 🙄🙄
I really hate that Christians, or even some people on non-religious topics, try to use being angry or being negative in your responses _totally_ invalidates your argument. So immature.
Doesn't Yahweh love the smell of burning flesh and I don't believe in the biblical monster but as an omnipotent being he could have intervened. GOTT MIT UNS.
I'm angry at god because he never showed up to a single little league baseball game when I was a kid. He never sent a single birthday card, and never let me borrow his car to go on a date! Deadbeat god 😤
I was promised Jesus would never leave me or forsake me. Then I realised he was never here to begin with. If the Christian god exists, then he's broken all of his promises to me. Am I mad at him for it? Yeah, kinda.
3:35 the “this wasn’t a response based in reason and logic but rather one based in emotion,” is just so rich and chock full of self-unawareness. OF COURSE the problem of evil/suffering/pain is going to elicit emotion - except perhaps with sociopaths. Your entire religion is based on an emotional embrace (aka trust aka faith) of an unknowable God who demands this embrace in the absence of concrete evidence that fulfills a reasonable and logical foundation for epistemic justification and rational belief.
it's more reasonable to hate god than most other fictional monsters because it lives - in the hearts of its believers. imagine if billions of people not only idealized, say, homelander, but believed his moral character was the essence of goodness itself. that's christianity and islam.
Even if there god exist he is absolutely is not worthy of worshiping he watches people suffer on a daily there is no justification for it they say it’s becuase of free will but that doesn’t justify why god let’s people suffer.
Want to hear a interesting event that happened couple years ago? There was a couple from US. They believed that people are naturally good and so to prove people who said they are wrong they went on hitchhiking trip through Islamic country and got beheaded just because. They were warned and they still did it because they assumed that their fantasy version of the world was real. That "moral monster" just knows how the world really is.
London Storm said "I don't think humans are meant to worship anyway" I sort of think humans ARE meant to worship. We enter this world as helpless infants incapable of surviving without help from external powers. To me it seems natural and even necessary for to have absolute faith and even worship to whatever entity keeps us alive. I also think it is healthy and natural to soon question the godhood of our life preserving entity, but it seems to me that infants have a good reason to initially "worship" their caregiver. And perhaps that early inclination to worship some higher power never completely goes away. On the other hand, this is just my personal thought. I would be surprised if some other smarter person had not thought of this and actually investigated this matter, but I have never seen it nor even looked for it.
Gilbert Keith Chesterton was an early 20th century British author, remembered fondly for his Father Brown mystery stories (that still haven't aged nearly as well as, say, Sherlock Holmes), remembered less fondly as a go-to source for asinine oneliner platitudes on the superiority of Christianity and/or Conservatism.
Decades ago when I was a kid I watched some tv series on Father Brown and I liked it so later I bought a book by Chesterton. Btw It was mystery stories not apologetics. I didn’t even finish it because I found there was such a huge BS plot hole in the story that I was disgusted. I was not surprised when I learned that he was a militant Christian.
The concept of a being beyond space and time that is eternal and can do anything and everything is reasonable however we simply dont know if that is what exists beyond our understanding.
I'm a pagan and I haven't got a book. Also, I've always been a bit worried about strokes so maybe I've just over-thought it - but I'm assuming the dude you talked of hadn't had regular strokes before. So I'm guessing when he did have one the sensation was new to him. But he thought the stroke was Satan attacking him. I wonder why, him being a loyal preaching type, Satan had never felt it necessary to attack him before. 🤔
How Christians can read about all the atrocities committed in the old testament, either directly or indirectly by their god and still think he is good-is beyond me.
I don't understand the concept of denying evidence to hold onto a belief, but i trust the Christian must have personal experience with this way of thinking.
There’s some serious goalpost shifting in Holdsworth’s video: does he want people to follow a rational, fact-based argument to wherever it leads them? Or does he want people to have faith and believe in and worship God /whether or not/ there is objective, incontrovertible, observable evidence of God’s existence and nature? If the point is to have faith, what does being emotionless and “rationally” debating the matter have to do with it? You’re never going to reason yourself, let alone someone else, into a feeling, including the feeling of faith. Holdsworth _might_ be able to reason folks into going through the motions and _professing_ a belief in God, but faith comes from somewhere else.
I don't see why a nonbeliever can't be thankful about something without being thankful to something specific. Also we can be thankful to the people that helped make whatever we are thankful for possible whether it was directly helpful to it or not. Hell just being thankful to our friends or families that are always there for us would be fine.
When the outcome is dark and crap they blame it on free will or the devil. When the outcome is bright and shiny they say it's the will of god. It's been the same excuses since the witch doctors.
I'm angry at people who lie, cheat, obfuscate and ignore reality in favor of their chosen fairytale. Don't give half a crap about whatever fairytale character they choose to promote.
Believers in the God of Abraham must either concede that their creator is not omnibenevolent, or that hell does not exist. You can not have both. The problem of evil perfectly illustrates the fatal flaw in these tri-omni attributes and no amount of "Just look at the trees" and "for the Bible tells me so" can resolve this problem. The fact that Epicurus figured this out in 300 BC, but it is still being debated is embarrassing.
The usual thing, the lack of understanding that if an atheist is angry, they are angry at the failure of the Christian claims about their God and their failure to answer a simple question. That failure usually takes the form of twisting it to being the atheist's fault, the atheist has heard it all countless times before
Considering the bullying and atrocities carried out by the RCC over many many years, including against my father, I am quite justified in my anger and intolerance of the RCC and religion in general.
If he can do it in the Bible, he can do it now. If he can get one guy to take them out of slavery. He can take his people out of the gass chambers. But he didn't do that. He's not helping them today either, so we have a right to hate this God who is supposed to love his creation.
The reason Atheists don't believe the gospel is not a cognitive problem, it is a spiritual one - “They are spiritually blind” (John 3:3). In other words, it isn't a rational decision they make, it is an emotional choice: they don't want God to exist. But they know he exists and hold the truth in unrighteousness - “They live in denial of reality” (Romans 1:18-22). ✝️
This was an old man, he'd probably heard a thousand different answers to this question, and none of them satisfied him. This Christian UA-camr thinks he can convert this broken man with some nonsense answer? No, this poor man didn't go there to argue, my feeling is that he just wanted to express his pain and there is no answer that will take that pain away from him. My grandfather was a man like that, he lived through the horrors of WW2.
Ok so that analogy at the end, gamers telling programmers that they were wrong in their game design decisions. Clearly Holdsworth has never seen how gamers react to games they hate. They do exactly this ALL THE TIME. Saying there would be no game if not for the developers simply doesn't work. There's a reason Todd Howard is such a hated person by the Fallout community: they hate his design decisions and think he should be fired. And they're not exactly polite to people who disagree so that was a terrible point to make.
My approach is to point to the nonstop allegations against the catholic church and the endless cruelty of american conseratives. I don't recognize this religion; it's not the one i grew up with 30:27 If you object to something in a video game you can sometimes turn to game mods
This guy looks to be about my age. If his life has gone like mine and so many others RE these types of questions, perhaps he's been getting the same vacuous or non-answers I have since I was a kid. And hubris from people like you, Brian, invites contempt.
Does Holdsworth ever reflect on his own attitudes and behavior? There is something about his arrogance, creepiness, falseness, dogmatism, and scolding that is beyond irritating. It is downright infuriating. Perhaps, Holdsworth confuses my anger at the man with anger at God.
Handsome Kent Hovind: Atheists sneer and condescend when I preach my gospel reeee Meanwhile every apologist ever: Condescending, loud, obnoxious, dishonest...
Never heard an Atheist they say they wouldn't believe in god if he was proven to be real, just that they wouldn't worship him... Now, on the other hand I have seen several Christian saying that nothing could change their mind or that even if it was prove that Jesus was entirely made up, they would still contiune to believe.
Then there's the nutcases who insist that if the Bible claimed 2+2=5 they would believe it, or that if it said Jonah swallowed the whale (as opposed to vice versa), he would believe it. Religion rots the mind. Absolutely and demonstrably so.
Personally, I suspect most atheists would comply with Yahweh if he did manifest on stage at a religion debate. It's easy to put up a courageous front when you don't expect to ever need to be courageous.
Which just calls into question why their god doesn't do that if he truly wants to be worshipped. Free will doesn't answer the question, since they presumably believed in their god before they started worshipping it.
@@Nemo12417 If the impossible happened and Yahweh was proven to exist, I would turn to evil so that I would not have to spend eternity with the jealous, infantile, perpetually angry, genocidal, malignant narcissist god of the Bible.
@@Nemo12417 If the impossible happened and Yahweh was proven to exist, I would turn to evil so that I would not have to spend eternity with the jealous, infantile, perpetually angry, genocidal, malignant narcissist god of the Bible.
@@Nemo12417 Comply? Sure. Believe in his claims of divinity and righeousness? Not really.
For the n'th time: No, I'm not angry at your invisible friend. I'm angry at you, for trying to push me into obeying whatever you think your invisible friend is whispering in your heart of hearts.
Lol same. It's da fan club we hate who are batshit stubborn and stupid
The reason Atheists don't believe the gospel is not a cognitive problem, it is a spiritual one - “They are spiritually blind” (John 3:3). In other words, it isn't a rational decision they make, it is an emotional choice: they don't want God to exist. But they know he exists and hold the truth in unrighteousness - “They live in denial of reality” (Romans 1:18-22). ✝️
@@LordOfThePancakes Then show me the reality. Your invisible friend and me - intoduce us. Since you claim he is omniscient and omnipresent, he knows who I am and where to find me. He can pop in for a visit any time he wants.
Prediction time: He won't. And you will have multiple excuses why. One of them being: "You just don't want to believe." probably.
@@FrikInCasualModeAthiests and Theists both agree that God won't show up when asked.
@LordOfThePancakes bla bla bla who cares about yo delusional mindset. You are da only one denying reality guz you think magic exists lol. You can't even demonstrate with objective testable verifiable evidence that your gawd exists in reality besides fee fees and WAR on non believers of a ultimate gamble and smug mindset. Get help decepticons believers. Been such a boring war with you stupid heads. I think yo atheist to almighty purple unicorn creator. Prove me wrong.
Fun Fact: In any conversation where one side is saying why the holocaust was okay the appropriate response is to walk away.
If that never happened our medicine would be very far back from what it is now because in those camps they did move medicine by experimenting on people way forward than it was before. That is also why good amount of those scientists got picked up by other countries and they basically got away with what they did. So technically indirectly they saved more people than they killed.
If the side is an apologist i enjoy reminding them it was caused by the most infamous christian/abrahamic religious person in history AND it was sustained by reIigious ideas.
@@Julian0101 He himself wasn't religious but he did see value in religion as an idea unlike Stalin who saw religion as a problem and did a similar thing as our buddy here to religious people just because they were religious.
@@gandalainsley6467 Sorry dude, he himself was religious (as religious as any comon christian nowadays show to be), he was just another religious person who saw the value of religion to control the masses (just like many other religious idols also did).
Remember, staIin also persecuted non believers, so by your logic he did so because they were non believers (the real reason is becasue they didnt follow him, regardless of their others beliefs, but nice try).
@@Julian0101 He wasn't religious at all. He personally disliked Christianity especially because of obvious reasons but he saw value in it. As for Stalin he persecuted anyone who was religious and educated . Basically he was a reddit atheist before that term existed. I actually live in a country where ww2's either outcome was bad for us because we were fighting on both sides. Not by choice btw. Here ww2 is described as brother killing brother because that was a pretty common occurence.
I'm not angry at Yahweh anymore than any fictional baddie. I'm more frustrated at these preachers that lie, misquote, and gleefully break one (or more) of their OWN commandments to lecture to their followers about what other groups are supposed to be like.
Its actually insulting when christians assume im mad at their god. Im pissed at myself for wasting my youth being religious.
I'm also just mad at THEM. For perpetuating the nonsense.
@@sullivanpecharka3830 same. And wagering transformers war on non believers. Religious decepticons
@@mistylover7398 lol :D prime comment
@@jimmythebold589 roll out
@@sullivanpecharka3830They rarely seem to distinguish between their own ideas and God's ideas. Funny that.
I agree with you, most people who are atheists have read the Christian Bible, and usually read other religious texts, and that IS the reason they don't believe. They read it, and realized it was not legit to keep it simple. It appears, or seems to me, from my personal experience, that 95% of Christians have never even picked up or read a bible verse.
That's why they attend church; to get someone else to read it to give the cliff-notes version and any implied moral lesson on a platter. It's sloth mixed with a sense of self-importance.
That is what usually people claim until you ask about context and then suddenly its like they never read it and was told what is in there by someone else. There are religious people who are exactly the same way.
Trust me, I definitely get angry at god when I'm constipated.
Understandable. I would get angry at him as well if I were a woman and believed in him. I mean I would also get angry at him without being a woman if I was a believer, just for other reasons 😅
He made us in His image so I guess God gets constipated, too. Amen. Lol.
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i fell and got a tear in my ellbow. i just got angry at myself😊
You guys are just too cute!! ☺️
How can an atheist be "angry at God" when they don't believe in a god? These Christians just can't step outside their faith. Holdsworth is starting by assuming atheists as unreasonable, hateful, prejudiced, and angry. Not a good way to start.
Exactly izn't Dat wha their side actually iz.
even more so when Christian when ask that kind of thing usually about their God, not any other religions, like atheist only come up because of christianity, not because of religions in general
I don't like Thanos because he killed half of people everywhere, and I wanted the Avengers to kicked his purple butt. Granted, Thanos was fair, he did it not because it pleased him and he saved people at random instead of saving a family of a drunkard incestous slaver.
🤨 wha
@@mistylover7398 I think OP is talking about the great flood maybe?
Weird statement tho ngl.
@@StoutShako wha??
@@mistylover7398
1. present reason why not to like Thanos
2. show how Christian god is literally worse in every way
3. therefore, not liking that thing either.
@Alice_Fumo after all of seeing wha Hitler did az evil of reasons why would you even ask y I would be hiz enemy???
Used to be angry at it when I believed in a god. Now I’m angry at the ppl who try to justify putting their religion in govt
I’m not angry at god. I’m angry at Santa Claus. He stopped bringing me gifts years ago! For no reason!
And me. 😡
I don’t even get coal
@@littleredpony6868 Too heavy for him, he’s getting old. 😂🤣😂
@@anthonyharty1732 we need a new 🎅
So??
That first guy isn't angry at God. He's angry at Cliff Knechtle, who is the most annoying street preacher ever.
He annoying but I've seen worse.
I can sympathise. I've never met Cliffe, but there's something about the sound of his voice that bothers me.
Mainly it's the sound of his voice dribbling bullshit ;-)
I know he is shit, but he has a lot of competition for worst!
@@terryschofield1922 Fair point. I guess the part I dislike so much is how he focuses on college kids who really aren't prepared for his BS.
Yes, he keeps getting destroyed over and over and over again by Atheists but refuses to listen to anything they say. Keeps spouting the same ludicrous supernatural fairytale nonsense. He is ANNOYING! I can’t watch and listen to his gibberish anymore. He’s IRRITATING on top of that.
"Science relies on evidence, a god, and therefore religion, relies on authority."
Yep! ....and authority says; "Shut up!, Do as your told and don't ask questions".
I'm just as angry at god as I'm angry at Darth Vader or Sauron.
I believe that’s where the big disconnect is, they believe we accept the god premise but have some form of disagreement with it not that we hold it in the same regard as any other made up character.
@@Jcs57 Yes, or they think everyone has "god's word" written on their hearts and "knows" that god exists. They're so heavily indoctrinated that almost can't comprehend non-belief.
@@Jcs57 Pretty sure it has more to do with you acting like God exists while claiming that you don't that is the problem. Why otherwise you would need to be told how correct you are and would need to tell everyone else how wrong they are?
@@gandalainsley6467 Except I don’t that I’m right or they’re wrong I just hold their construct in the same regard as pixies, leprechauns, and unicorns I’ll move them into they are right category as soon as they present something more than claims, bald assertions, presuppositions backed by circular reasoning standing on a foundation of logical fallacies.
@@Jcs57 Do you watch videos about pixies and leprechauns where people in the videos tell you how right you are that you don't believe in them too ? If you do then I take back what I said and I apologize.
Brian sees Jesus when he looks in a mirror. An Anglo possibly Celtic Jesus.
A god would have to exist for me to be angry at it.
Brian is not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
Too true. I would ask Brian if he is angry with Odin if he does not believe in Odin? It's the same thing as his title suggests. The other thing is, paraphrasing James T Kirk, what need does god have for arms, legs, head mouth, eyes, ears etc. ? When this Abrahamic god was the only thing in a non existent space what would it lift with arms, where would it walk with legs, what could it eat or breathe in with a mouth? Such hubris to think we are created in their god's image. It is often the case that gods are created in the image a community has of things they know about. Elephant gods where there are elephants, monkey gods where there are monkeys... What image would a nomadic people have who only had domesticated animals and people in their vicinity?
I'd say Brian sees a poorly dressed beta-cuck when he looks in the mirror.
It' not pure anger, mostly it's frustration. I also don't listen to people evangelizing. Why listen to the same thing over and over again. And why debate to person that is not going to take arguments seriously and either gives you the same answers or makes it up ad hoc.
Exactly. Or when they only answer of 👉😖👈
"and he was so angry!"
And fictional.
And if he was real, he wasn't angry at god, he was angry at the dishonesty of the preacher. The dishonesty of religion as a whole.
The question of evil is always answered with something like "well god let it happen and god doesn't do bad things so it was a good thing, we just don't understand god's plan, we are so unworthy, we should thank god for all the pain he causes"
It's the cult response that he's angry at, the North Korean praise of the leader as the leader pokes your eye out. THAT is what he was angry about: your lack of honesty.
I can certainly believe the event happened. Sounds like the street annoyer was Cliffe Knetchtle. Cliffe could annoy a Jedi Master
@IanM-id8or At least the Jedi could give them a hand wave and the old, "You no longer believe any of what you said or anything in that book. You want to go home, re-evaluate, and find something productive to do with your finite time."
I wish I could do that
I will happily acknowledge that, at times, I am angry about religion - Christianity & Islam in particular, but sometimes even Buddhism annoys me - the whole karma thing bothers me as it's used as an excuse to blame disabled and unfortunate people.
However, no matter how offensive I might find religions to be, I'm never angry at God.
That's because God is pretend.
I don't bother being angry at imaginary characters. I'm annoyed at the very real institutions which perpetrate the offenses in question, and the people who use their imaginary friend to justify their hateful attitudes
"Why do you hate God" is the theist version of the Republican's "why do you hate freedom". It's a counter-attack to shut down what people are actually calling out, and an attempt to frame the conversation as some kind of emotional outburst
I'm not angry. We just know this invisible sky wizard is a monster unworthy of worship.
sorry Sky Daddy, It's MY turn to be the dom.
Bible gawd should be a 👻🚫 villain.
"I'm not angry. I just for some reason demean something I supposedly believe does not exist and need to be told how correct I am about my beliefs."
@gandalainsley6467 yep, I also have no problem telling others I do not believe in their invisible sky wizard, and oftentimes, they get very angry, but I just tell them TS.
@@grapeshot Kind of a contradiction man. I don't get what were you trying to do now with this comment though. Did you just brag about saying "mean things" online?
I'm no more angry at Yahweh than I am angry at Darth Vader or Emperor Palpatine.
They are all imaginary characters.
Somehow, Jesus returned.
@@nmappraiser9926I think Jesus Christ is a Sith Lord.
6:19 assuming he’s not just imagining the condescension - or projecting it - he should consider the possibility that any atheist willing to discuss the matters of faith and God and religion with an apologist like him has lived in the world their whole lives and is likely not unfamiliar with his faith and religion.
So (1) he needs to make an argument that will persuade someone who is very familiar with Christianity and yet does not follow it. Not an argument that presumes the listener has just arrived on earth and has never heard of Christianity.
And (2) he needs to make an argument that the listener has never heard before. Because definitionally, every argument they’ve heard before has failed to persuade them to believe in God or to be a Christian.
So when you open the discussion by condescending to the atheist by assuming they’ve just never had God/Christianity explained to them “properly”, or by telling them they secretly believe in God they just don’t realize it, or by asserting that if they had an open mind and understood what you were saying they would be a believer so they must be either closed-minded or stupid, yeah, they might condescend right back.
And when you claim to have new information that might persuade them and then repeat the same dozen arguments they’ve heard dozens or hundreds of times before, or when you think you have an ironclad argument that is full of holes or tautological or begs the question, or they can see where your argument is going and what’s wrong with it from your first statement, some people are going to respond by being condescending.
If you google “condescension” his photo comes up on top of the search. 😅
Besides, where’s the passage of the Bible that tells Christians to whine incessantly about the attitude of the people they are trying to convince? As always, this whining and complaining and presenting as victims is not directed at atheists: it’s a retention tool for believers.
It’s in a milder and more subtle form so it’s less easy to pick up but it’s the same technique of demonizing the outsiders that cults use on their members. “Don’t pay attention to them because atheists are snarky, condescending, emotional, irrational, don’t want to listen, are not open to changing their minds, etc. etc. etc.”
I'm going to give an answer before even listening:
Yes, but its the same way I'm 'Angry' at Thanos 😅
That damn Gauntlet gave him access to the most powerful 'Wish Machine' in the Universe. He wants to end hunger in said universe, and the best idea he could come up with was Kill Half of Everything?
The Planet of Intelligent Rabbits would be back to the same problem in a week, while he just sent the Planet of Elves into extinction (and he just killed off half of the food source to the half that was left).
If he were an intelligent 'Eternal' (one of the oldest, 'Wisest' species in the Galaxy), he would have just said "Let there be Enough of Everything For Everyone, Everywere Forever", problem solved.
In the same way I can't see Supremely Good, Supremely Powerful being doing the things he is supposed to have done in the Bible and not being able to see the same problems I saw with Thanos......but overall Thanos is a better Bad Guy than Yahweh 😏
This story never happened.... but if it did, the reason the man walked away after pointing out a flaw with your god is that hes heard EVERY response before..... we all have heard every response.... it gets old.
Yeah, its a common excuse you have there. Reminds me little bit of those asshole kids from childhood with who you could never play anything with because any time something wasn't going their way they would just quit and come up with some excuse how you lost the game. It was very annoying.
Christian talking bollocks as usual. How can I be angry at someone who's not there? I'm glad London, that you did most of the talking for this one. I appreciate that you are willing to share certain aspects of your private life with us. All the best to you and yours.
still absolutely baffled that anyone thinks the bible god is a good guy
Stock holm syndrome believers.
I’m baffled how one can have a relationship with nothing..a phantom. There is no back and forth. It’s a one way interpretation entirely biased by the subconscious - an unknown selfish ego. To ask questions of living religious figures only add their interpretation- which varies so widely it becomes comical. Some figures believe they are Jesus and want to wield power at the expense of others. So please tell me how one overrides their own subconscious motivations by a relationship with nothing? Submission to words - which are easily misinterpreted- is insane
Nice analogy, rookie of the year is based on statistics the player produces, not a baseless argument on who you “feel” is the best player.
G.K Chesterton was an author who wrote books and plays questioning faith and philosophy etc. I'm a big fan of his work even though I'm an atheist. He converted to Catholicism later in life and wrote the Father Brown stories in which a priest solves crimes.
You're a "bit can"?
@@martin2289 bloody auto correct. Meant to say big fan
As one of them there leading atheists, i can attest that the "sneer" is an involuntary reaction initiated by the detection of bullshit.
He kept complaining that atheists won't listen to his evidence. I kept waiting to hear some.
spoiler alert: it's just that book. you know the one
If I was believer I would be angry.
Fact that they're not is one huge Stockholm syndrome.
Exactly. Who cares wha EVIL gawd does we Christian decepticons will fight for our gawd to do anything he wants. Like a drunk driver who doesn't care bout da law and go's through every red lights. 🚨🚔🚨
@@mistylover7398 Evil does not exist if there is no devil and devil does not exist if God does not exist(or never existed. There are people who believe that God existed and now is dead). Everything becomes subjective and I actually lived my life that way for little while. Good is not what you or I agree with. Its something that in the long run will lead to the best outcome. Since we have no idea what we are actually doing we can't determine which will lead to the best outcome.
@gandalainsley6467 and?? Wha Dat got to do with anything?? Wha u even talking bout or mean with yo long words? 😐🤨
@@mistylover7398 Wha chu takin about Willis?
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I haven't seen a shirt/vest combo like that since my son was 3 and I was shopping in the kids section.
That guy would look really cute in a little sailor suit!
3:21 “imagine if Pundit A didn’t actually listen to any of Pundit B’s arguments, didn’t make any arguments that might persuade Pundit B, spent their time attacking Pundit B personally, and then stormed off when their ideas weren’t accepted by the others”
Yeah, I totally see what Holdsworth is getting at; those conversations are-
What‽ He thinks the _atheist_ is Pundit A‽‽
Seriously, I kinda get the impression that most Christian (and Muslim) apologists are completely oblivious, even after being told repeatedly, that the arguments they’re making aren’t persuasive to nonbelievers; they’re reassuring to believers. To be effective, they require you to already believe in their god/religion/cosmology, and are basically incapable of persuading folks who don’t already agree with the conclusion.
Their arguments are all of the form “given that you love the taste of peanut butter and milk chocolate together, you’ll love Reese’s”. And when people say “I don’t like peanut butter and chocolate together” or “what is ‘peanut butter’?” or “I can’t stand milk chocolate” or “I’ve never tried them together, but it sounds yucky-what’s your argument for why I should try that combo?” they’re all like “since we know that everybody likes PB&chocolate, you’re just being contrarian”.
Wait a second...did this guy really compare us to flat earthers?
naturally
Grrrrr. WHY GOD WHHHHYYYY???
Btw He is referencing an interaction in a open outdoor forum at a college campus. The professor asking the question seemed to be just walking by and was asking a rhetorical question. Doubt he was a believer.
The sneer is a special skill some of us atheists perfect over the years, takes true determination to learn it. You have to focus and channel all your inner distain and disbelief into your words, express total smugness, and really emphasize the madness of what you've been told. Practice that and you to will have the sneer tm
Are we in a squirrel's pantry? Cuz I smell an old chestnut.
Now I am interested in how Jews answer the Holocaust question.
I like how he's putting Christianity on the table as just another rational argument.
Are the laws of thermodynamics really true?
Is the circumference of a circle really described by πr²?
Did Jesus die for our sins and rise from the dead?
Just another ordinary question.
Yeah, I am angry at Yahweh for not ending suffering on earth and when you really know he is helping John find his car keys 😂
Being annoyed by a street preacher advertising their religion like a cheap used car salesman, is not the same as being angry at a god concept, and that old man has no obligation there. While I wouldn't even have wasted my time with it, him spouting off a comment in passing, does not equate to "atheists are angry at `God`" We don't even know if that old man WAS an atheist, but sure Brian, make a whole video about how all atheists are just working off emotions. That way you don't have to deal with the inexplicable concept you are pushing. 🙄🙄
I just found your channel. Very good work. Keep it up.
Do non pixie believers get angry at pixies? Tough question 😆
Something good happened, so I had to make up someone to thank.
Something bad happened, so I had to make up someone to blame.
I really hate that Christians, or even some people on non-religious topics, try to use being angry or being negative in your responses _totally_ invalidates your argument. So immature.
Doesn't Yahweh love the smell of burning flesh and I don't believe in the biblical monster but as an omnipotent being he could have intervened.
GOTT MIT UNS.
I think CS Lewis wrote an essay or book called 'The Problem of Pain.'
Can't be angry at something that doesn't exist.
What if the rapture has happened already and every Christian who's left isn't a proper one?
I'm angry at god because he never showed up to a single little league baseball game when I was a kid. He never sent a single birthday card, and never let me borrow his car to go on a date!
Deadbeat god 😤
I'm angry at god the same way I am angry at the villain in a movie or book, or other media.
If he was proven to exist , I would be angry with it . And he’d have a long wait before he saw any worshipping .
I was promised Jesus would never leave me or forsake me. Then I realised he was never here to begin with. If the Christian god exists, then he's broken all of his promises to me. Am I mad at him for it? Yeah, kinda.
Whenever I feel anything, i look for someone to tell me what I think and how I feel. How could I possibly know otherwise?
uhm... angry at someone I don't believe in? huh?
Christians, explain, wtf does this mean???
You are the one who is doing it so you should know how that works.
why do most "i used to be an atheist storied" instantly sound made up?
Or "once I debated with an atheist professor on a plane" stories.
I was so disappointed when i finally read the Screwtape Letters. Even the John Cleese audiobook couldn't save it 😿
How can you be angry at something you don't believe in.
3:35 the “this wasn’t a response based in reason and logic but rather one based in emotion,” is just so rich and chock full of self-unawareness. OF COURSE the problem of evil/suffering/pain is going to elicit emotion - except perhaps with sociopaths. Your entire religion is based on an emotional embrace (aka trust aka faith) of an unknowable God who demands this embrace in the absence of concrete evidence that fulfills a reasonable and logical foundation for epistemic justification and rational belief.
Did this channel name switch between London Storm, to Let's Be Clear, and then back to London Storm?
I've seen several UA-camrs change their name several times.
Two spring to mind, Selena and Ivy both changed their UA-cam channel names several times.
it's more reasonable to hate god than most other fictional monsters because it lives - in the hearts of its believers. imagine if billions of people not only idealized, say, homelander, but believed his moral character was the essence of goodness itself. that's christianity and islam.
Even if there god exist he is absolutely is not worthy of worshiping he watches people suffer on a daily there is no justification for it they say it’s becuase of free will but that doesn’t justify why god let’s people suffer.
No matter what the excuse God is a moral monster .no response could justify it .
Want to hear a interesting event that happened couple years ago? There was a couple from US. They believed that people are naturally good and so to prove people who said they are wrong they went on hitchhiking trip through Islamic country and got beheaded just because. They were warned and they still did it because they assumed that their fantasy version of the world was real. That "moral monster" just knows how the world really is.
How can you be angry at something that doesn't exist?
I'm angry at god like I'm angry at Darth Vader. Absolutely furious!
I am angry at God the same way I'm angry at Darth Vader for destroying Alderaan.
LA House Bill 71 passed 30-8. Coming to a Federal Court near you. Us. Someone? Subbed. Finally.
How can you be angry at something that doesn't exist???
You should be able to answer that question. I have no idea.
The “I was an atheist” is the “based on a true story” of christianity.
Had to say it cause it sounds funny.
“This woman is haunted” damn that got me 😂
London Storm said "I don't think humans are meant to worship anyway"
I sort of think humans ARE meant to worship. We enter this world as helpless infants incapable of surviving without help from external powers. To me it seems natural and even necessary for to have absolute faith and even worship to whatever entity keeps us alive. I also think it is healthy and natural to soon question the godhood of our life preserving entity, but it seems to me that infants have a good reason to initially "worship" their caregiver. And perhaps that early inclination to worship some higher power never completely goes away.
On the other hand, this is just my personal thought. I would be surprised if some other smarter person had not thought of this and actually investigated this matter, but I have never seen it nor even looked for it.
Gilbert Keith Chesterton was an early 20th century British author, remembered fondly for his Father Brown mystery stories (that still haven't aged nearly as well as, say, Sherlock Holmes), remembered less fondly as a go-to source for asinine oneliner platitudes on the superiority of Christianity and/or Conservatism.
Decades ago when I was a kid I watched some tv series on Father Brown and I liked it so later I bought a book by Chesterton. Btw It was mystery stories not apologetics. I didn’t even finish it because I found there was such a huge BS plot hole in the story that I was disgusted.
I was not surprised when I learned that he was a militant Christian.
The concept of a being beyond space and time that is eternal and can do anything and everything is reasonable however we simply dont know if that is what exists beyond our understanding.
I'm a pagan and I haven't got a book. Also, I've always been a bit worried about strokes so maybe I've just over-thought it - but I'm assuming the dude you talked of hadn't had regular strokes before. So I'm guessing when he did have one the sensation was new to him. But he thought the stroke was Satan attacking him. I wonder why, him being a loyal preaching type, Satan had never felt it necessary to attack him before. 🤔
How Christians can read about all the atrocities committed in the old testament, either directly or indirectly by their god and still think he is good-is beyond me.
I don't understand the concept of denying evidence to hold onto a belief, but i trust the Christian must have personal experience with this way of thinking.
I'm still waiting for any apologist to actually produce this "evidence" that Brian claims I'm emotionally rejecting.
There’s some serious goalpost shifting in Holdsworth’s video: does he want people to follow a rational, fact-based argument to wherever it leads them? Or does he want people to have faith and believe in and worship God /whether or not/ there is objective, incontrovertible, observable evidence of God’s existence and nature? If the point is to have faith, what does being emotionless and “rationally” debating the matter have to do with it? You’re never going to reason yourself, let alone someone else, into a feeling, including the feeling of faith. Holdsworth _might_ be able to reason folks into going through the motions and _professing_ a belief in God, but faith comes from somewhere else.
So if he do not believe in Odin Ahura Mazda, or Shiva he hate them? Really?
I'm not angry, I'm just extremely disappointed.
This video was genuinely such a chad-take
I don't see why a nonbeliever can't be thankful about something without being thankful to something specific. Also we can be thankful to the people that helped make whatever we are thankful for possible whether it was directly helpful to it or not. Hell just being thankful to our friends or families that are always there for us would be fine.
When the outcome is dark and crap they blame it on free will or the devil. When the outcome is bright and shiny they say it's the will of god. It's been the same excuses since the witch doctors.
angry or hungry?
Perhaps hangry?
He needs a Snickers bar.
@@johnburn8031 You're not God when you're hungry.
I'm angry at people who lie, cheat, obfuscate and ignore reality in favor of their chosen fairytale.
Don't give half a crap about whatever fairytale character they choose to promote.
Believers in the God of Abraham must either concede that their creator is not omnibenevolent, or that hell does not exist. You can not have both.
The problem of evil perfectly illustrates the fatal flaw in these tri-omni attributes and no amount of "Just look at the trees" and "for the Bible tells me so" can resolve this problem.
The fact that Epicurus figured this out in 300 BC, but it is still being debated is embarrassing.
The usual thing, the lack of understanding that if an atheist is angry, they are angry at the failure of the Christian claims about their God and their failure to answer a simple question.
That failure usually takes the form of twisting it to being the atheist's fault, the atheist has heard it all countless times before
What does Jesus like on his pizza?
Pineapple.
@@travis1240 I don't know. Pineapple only goes well with ham, sausage, pepperoni or meatball and last I checked the lord and savior kept kosher.
@@jessewilley531 Good point, but I think he wanted other people to keep kosher so he could have all the bacon and ham.
Considering the bullying and atrocities carried out by the RCC over many many years, including against my father, I am quite justified in my anger and intolerance of the RCC and religion in general.
If he can do it in the Bible, he can do it now. If he can get one guy to take them out of slavery. He can take his people out of the gass chambers. But he didn't do that. He's not helping them today either, so we have a right to hate this God who is supposed to love his creation.
Thanks for such a thoughtful video.
All hail the Algorithm
The reason Atheists don't believe the gospel is not a cognitive problem, it is a spiritual one - “They are spiritually blind” (John 3:3). In other words, it isn't a rational decision they make, it is an emotional choice: they don't want God to exist. But they know he exists and hold the truth in unrighteousness - “They live in denial of reality” (Romans 1:18-22). ✝️
This was an old man, he'd probably heard a thousand different answers to this question, and none of them satisfied him. This Christian UA-camr thinks he can convert this broken man with some nonsense answer? No, this poor man didn't go there to argue, my feeling is that he just wanted to express his pain and there is no answer that will take that pain away from him. My grandfather was a man like that, he lived through the horrors of WW2.
I’m angry at God the same way I am angry at Dracula
Ok so that analogy at the end, gamers telling programmers that they were wrong in their game design decisions. Clearly Holdsworth has never seen how gamers react to games they hate. They do exactly this ALL THE TIME. Saying there would be no game if not for the developers simply doesn't work. There's a reason Todd Howard is such a hated person by the Fallout community: they hate his design decisions and think he should be fired. And they're not exactly polite to people who disagree so that was a terrible point to make.
My approach is to point to the nonstop allegations against the catholic church and the endless cruelty of american conseratives. I don't recognize this religion; it's not the one i grew up with
30:27 If you object to something in a video game you can sometimes turn to game mods
This guy looks to be about my age. If his life has gone like mine and so many others RE these types of questions, perhaps he's been getting the same vacuous or non-answers I have since I was a kid. And hubris from people like you, Brian, invites contempt.
Does Holdsworth ever reflect on his own attitudes and behavior? There is something about his arrogance, creepiness, falseness, dogmatism, and scolding that is beyond irritating. It is downright infuriating. Perhaps, Holdsworth confuses my anger at the man with anger at God.
Handsome Kent Hovind: Atheists sneer and condescend when I preach my gospel reeee
Meanwhile every apologist ever: Condescending, loud, obnoxious, dishonest...