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George Patton & Douglas MacArthur In World War 1 I WHO DID WHAT IN WW1?
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George S. Patton and Douglas MacArthur both served as senior officers in the First World War 1, a conflict that shaped their understanding of military strategy and tactics and formed them into the men that would become legends 20 years later.
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"MacArthur and Patton, standing together under an artillery barrage chatting about the futility of taking cover" sounds like something out of a fanfiction.
Sometimes real life truly is crazier than fiction.
I mean, the point of taking cover from artillery then was to avoid a slow death from some random bit of shrapnel or debris being thrown at you. The blasts themselves would be fatal.
While taking cover seems pointless when you're near instant death it beats dying from an infected wound that takes weeks to kill you.
MacArthur wrote about this meeting in his autobiography. He said that Patton kept flinching at the shells bursting around them on the hill. MacArthur then told him, "Don't worry Major, you never hear the one that kills you."
don't believe the propaganda
These men didn't meet Col. Kilgore.
What I find interesting is that most of those crazy story are found in Anglo-saxon stories side of the war.
Maybe some cultures tended to be more flexible with the truth...
When Patton was assigned as American's first tank school instructor, he was the only person in the entire Army who could drive one. He backed most all of the new tanks they got in Paris off the train by himself. He even spent time on designing a tankers' uniform. There's a picture of him wearing one of his creations that included an American football helmet. He did everything - had to convince other officers to use tanks as infantry support, personally scouted and provided recon and did all the logistical planning for the 1st Provisional Tank Brigade all on his own. Went from Captain to Colonel in a couple of months time.
His philosophy came from the calvary and it would logically extend that tanks are armored horses.
Made a ton of mistakes out of hubris.
@@aug-pahunters51 It's kind of hard to know how to use something that's never been used before
One man described Dougs father Arthur MacArthur succinctly
"The most egotistical, self centred man I ever knew, until I met his son!"
Haters going to hate.
nope, truth
Howard White yes, but one actually wants a confident commander or even egotistical, as long as they were intelligent.
In that case, like father, like son.
I like generals who win battles and I like Presidents who can deliver economic growth and peace. I am not really interested whether they are nice people. I don't want to hang out them or work for them. I want them to serve and in return they get authority and fame.
It is a great tragedy that when Patton lead his tank assault against his fellow WWI vets, he encountered Joe Angelo, the very soldier whom had saved his life during the Meuse-Argonne offensive. When confronted by Angelo, Patton loudly declared "I do not know this man. Take him away and under no circumstances permit him to return." Given that Patton had glorified war so much, you just know that assault on the Bonus Army was just tearing apart his soul. Despite all that we see in that 1970 Patton movie, this moment was probably his darkest hour. He recognized the legitimacy of his fellow veterans complaints.
quickly edit "tank assault"in cavalry assault...i mean, tanks in washington...in 1930's ??
ODDBALL SOK it was a tank Assault if you look up the footage of the bonus army incident you will see that they had some American ft17 Tanks
@@Autobotmatt428 patton had a half dozen or so french tanks and he used them to attack and destroy the shanty town that the washington protesters built...
Yeah, and his nickname “blood and guts” kinda goes out the window too when you realize he threw up at one of the concentration camps he liberated
To complete the picture: As Army Chief of Staff, MacArthur personally commanded the infantry and cavalry charges. There were indeed 6 Renault FT-17 tanks commanded by Patton.
Why am I not surprised Patton and MacArthur did something as badass as have a casual conversation under artillery barrage when they first met?
About the futility of taking cover from an artillery barrage. Makes sense considering what kinds of military theories they were proponents of.
The group was only missing Montgomery for a trifecta of hyper-egos. But this might have the time Monty tripped and knocked himself out while his squad was wiped out.
dont believe the propaganda if true they'd be the only sane men to have done so never seen any other vets write such rubbish
@@LuvBorderCollies he was a Platoon leader at the time and he took a hit in one lung and one knee. He ordered his men not to rescue him but he eventually was by his troops. Please read serious history books and not the anti Monty a nd anti MacArthur B'S on this site.users and thought police are hate them both.
Alternate history. Com...... ultra haters of Monty and .MAC. ignorate cowardly losers.
Dwight Eisenhower famously once said that he "studied dramatics under MacArthur" for seven years.
John Ferguson I think Ike’s leadership is more the polar opposite of MacArthur.
IF I remember correctly, Eisenhower was an aide to MacArthur during the Bonus Army "action'.
Too bad McArthur wasn’t a POW after the Phillipines
John Ferguson
Ike puts both of these guys to shame, and apparently throws excellent shade.
Two extremely humble men!
Humble is not an adjective I would use to describe Patton.
sarcasm?
Neither of these guys were very humble. Maybe Patton over MacArthur but both were very much into their own egos. Especially since MacArthurs ego is what got him booted when he got into a fight with Truman.
Blackadder1886 he didn’t actually do that. It’s more like FDR gave him the Medal for the defense which he botched.
Well if it’s a contest for who was more humble by comparison. Patton wins hands down.
MacArthur called for Patton. When Patton received this order, he went to find MacArthur. Patton approached MacArthur and as artillery exploded everywhere around them, they stared at each other in the eye. Later on Patton commented on this incident, he said “I saw him blink”-War of the Generals-D.Irving
came home after a hard day -> saw the great war updated -> fully operational again
Story of my life. Its not gonna be the same without these videos :(
Joe Bubenz never fear, Indy is still hosting the World War Two in real Time channel.
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MacArthur was also part of the US Army of occupation in the Rhineland, his Headquarter was located in Sinzig. He fell in love with a German Nurse, Herta Heuser and wanted to marry her. His loveletters were just discovered a short time ago and sold at Sotheby's.
So Doug did not have a libido. Someone ought to write a book.
Hard to believe that MacArthur being so in love with himself. could ever fall "in love" with anyone least of all a German woman. Could it be that she had a more impressive uniform than his ?
@@ardshielcomplex8917 maybe she racked some great cannons and had a formidable back defense
So MC Arthur made it to Level 55...
I love that you’re still doing this. Your entire series will be famous 50 years from now, and people will be watching it even 50 years after that. Thanks so much for keeping up the quality work.
Surprising, odd, and unbelievably amazing (to the point of goose bumps) to think that they met during the war, and during battle no less, wonder what the odds are
Yes! Thank you Great War team been waiting for this episode
Agreed!
In the next War Douglas MacArthur will command Patton's cousin in the Pacific Lieutenant General Chesty Puller, who himself will become legendary in the Marines.
Puller was a better man and warrior than both those peacocks put together.
I am always expecting to see George C Scott when someone mentions Patton... Hollywood damn you...
Me too! 😅🤣😂
No fighting in the war room...
We've very much love to late General Douglas Mc Arthur in the philippines we have Mc Arthur highways in Luzon in honor to him.
You forgot Harry Truman. The origin of the MacArthur- Truman animosity is ww1 action. Would you do a video about this?
Congratulations to Indy and the whole staff there at The Great War. I am a professional researcher and have read a number of substantial histories of WWI over the past 4 years, but you have really made the war come to life. This is a serious and scholarly program and I wish you all the best. Kudos!
Can you do a episode about C.G. Mannerheim?
Fun Fact Genral Pershing was also very important for tanks, he helped the FT-17 to catch, long story about why it wasn't being used to shorten it, French generals wanted it, politcans and public wanted heavy tanks. Pershing orders basically just helped French generals get there way, cause he ordered alot believeing there speed would open the front.
Ft-17 is arguably the 1st modern tank.
I saw on a documentary that MacArthur graduated with the second highest standing at West Point , of all time.
Ol' Blood & Guts PATTON! And the great MacArthur!!! Excellent episode Indy!
Read the description closely.
"Dessert Operations"
I fully expect this game to have lots of brownies and cheesecake
MacArthur , was played by Gregory Peck, another great movie !
This is one of the best channels on UA-cam. Your videos are so high quality and interesting! Truly amazing job.
Only 6 days left...
Spoiler Alert!
Pls end me I love this channel
And so, the Seminal Tragedy reaches it's twilight
MacArthur's father, Arthur MacArthur was chief of staff, the highest position in the U.S. Army. He came from military nobility.
Truman, later President Truman, was a Captain in the Rainbow Division. MacArthur must have thought he was still Truman's senior officer, years afterwards during the Korean Conflict. ....Truman put him in his place and ''fired'' him.
Nice. I didn't know this. This was also the greatest lesson the US tried to teach Japan. We'll see if they learned it.
By "fired" you mean scapegoated
Japan and the Atomic weapons were several years before this incident. This occurred during the Korean war. I don't think, [think], we dropped the bombs on Japan to teach them a lesson. I suspect that these were earmarked for Germany. Some cities were not target with conventional bombs in Germany, Dresden was one such location. Fate intervened and Germany surrendered before the bombs were ready.
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@@Truth_Hurts528 NO...he was fired by Truman. MacArthurr was going to cross the Yalu river and take the war into China. He refused to cow to Truman, so, Truman fired him....circa 1953?
thomas rhodes
Truman was never assigned to the 42nd Division, nor was he ever under MacAuthur’s Command.
General Patton And General McCauther are my Hero’s and always have been
This video works as another great prelude to your other series! Great Job Indy and Gang!
AWESOME! Thank you. I have been looking forward to this episode since I found this channel in '15!
I remember requesting a video on McArthur 2 years ago and now it's here lol
I love your show and have watched it for many years, but I have a suggestion that you could do bio-specials on two personalities that I think are particularly interesting. The first is Major General Smedley Butler of the USMC and the second is Lieutenant Colonel Percy Fawcett of the British army. Both fought in some capacity in the Great War, but both are more famous for events from both before and after the war and both are, and were, very controversial. I think they both could make very interesting bio-special subjects.
It’s cool that you guys brought over the guy from World War Two for this crossover episode!
"instead of taking cover, they discussed the futility of taking cover"
What a legend
YES. I CAUGHT UP JUST BEFORE THE WAR ENDED. Thank you so much for all your hard work, guys.
Thank Patton and the Renault FT for the next few decades of US tank design and tactics.
Patton and Eisenhower became friends in the interwar years and would break down and reassemble tanks together to gain a better understanding of them.
I'm early but I want to say that I love the show!!!
I was told that Patton was inspired to join the cavalry by a family friend Col. John Singleton Mosby the famous confederate raider.
Not sure about that. But... I will do some reading on that. Thanks.
Yes when the US entered a year ago on the show I asked for a Patton and MacArthur episode and here it is
One thing that was missed is that MacArthur had a lot more to live up to the Patton. While Patton did have military ancestry in his family the were not as closely related to him as MacArthur was his own Father. Gen Arthur MacArthur not kidding that’s name. Was a Civil war hero and Medal of Honor recipient which he received at champion hill as a young lt at age 18. His son Douglas had a lot to live up to.
Not Champion Hill, Missionary Ridge.
MacArthur's father also fought in the Philippine-American War.
0:59 It was not called, "the revenge operation" against Pancho Villa. The operations as a whole were collectively referred to as "the Punitive Expeditions" against Mexico.
Excellent. Great segment, guys. thx.
Can you make a video about Ferdinand Čatloš? I am from Slovakia and he was a general during Slovak state(1939-45) and he served in austro-hungarian army and then he joined to czechoslovakian legionons.
How we Americans see it:
Macarthur:I'm the better General
Patton:No I'm the better one
Robert Lee & George Washington: Ladies ladies, let the men talk
As an note, Patton also was friends with Dwight Eisenhower and did a lot of the experiments with tanks with him. sm
Eisenhower got insight into Patton's mindset. Even though Ike never made it to Europe he still was getting an education on the future conduct of armored warfare. Plus working with inflated egos!
a few days left boys. The is gonna be over
Of course, german comeback is imminent!
Andreu Ortín Borràs about twenty years later u mean?
@@ferrjuan yes indeed, some mustache model dude will lead them
Just an interlude of 20 years before the next episode.
@@kckong7433 somehow they made a mistake and started releasing those episodes already. I understand changing the schedule by a few weeks but 2 decades seems excessive
Pershing was probably the most remarkable senior General the US Army has ever had. We were very fortunate that he was the commander of the AEF.
Pershing did an outstanding job in WW1. Fred Funston was a General and was a leading contender to command the AEF but died of a heart attack. Pershing did the USA and allies proud.
@@paratrooper629didn’t he also order his men to charge in German position hours before the armistice was to go into affect?
John Ferguson---And Douglas MacArthur once famously said of Eisenhower, "Best clerk I ever had."
Hey Indy, really enjoyed the work of the team so far, I'd like to ask a question. My great grandpa served in the British Navy in the Atlantic, he was on the ships tasked with protecting convoys, he said that it was so cold that if you didn't wear gloves your hands would get stuck on the railings, what types of roles were there for these sailors, and can you recommend any sources or accounts so that I can learn more about what his service was like there?
7:18 what dramatic hand gesturing
I'm not ready for the war to end.
Please do a special about Percy Toplis, The Monocled Mutineer.
Patton wasn’t much chop in WWI, he was always hesitating. His very great failure was to withdraw American troops at the last minute from accompanying the Australian attack on Hamel. It was a shocking act of treachery. Some of the Americans though developed some sort of temporary hearing difficulty and didn’t hear the order to retreat. Those few took part in one of the major victories of WWI as it was the test for the August 1918 offensive of combined arms and devolved command that Australia developed to break the Hindenburg Line and to hold the captured ground.
I used to watch this series ALL THE TIME
I love Douglas MacArthur.
America's greatest strategist who predicted the future 70 years in advance.
Can't believe its the last two bios :(
Great job as always.
Hi Indy! I'm a big fan of the entire Great War channel, crew and all and I have a question that will hopefully reach OOTT. I have always been interested in the topic but never got to far when researching it. I am talking about Armored vehicles in World War One. I would like to know what the first official armored car division was and how effective were they, as well as their country of service.......Keep doing what you are doing and never forget the power of knowledge you bring to us all!!!!!!
Can you do a video on General George Marshall and Billy Mitchell?
Love ur content
Heyy Indy, been watching since the start but never commented, love your work. In another channels video on World War One, they showed a map of how the entente wanted to divide Europe, it showed a new state around Hanover on the north west German coast. Was there any plans to carve any new states out of Germany other than Poland and the Rhineland?
Do you have a link?
I think it was the 10 minute history ww1 video uploaded earlier today.
Indy and crew. Would you make a bio covering Gen. John A Lejeune?
*"We defeated the wrong enemy"*
-General Patton
Dark History should had let Patton take Berlin.
@@kstreet7438 The history would be much better if Americans took Berlin and maybe some parts of today Poland
Niccolo Paganini Poland most likely would have a huge economy just like Japan and west Germany.
@@Fyrdman for this morons reading is too much work.
I have crippling depression Exactly, i hate when some morons say the Soviets "liberated" my country.
So fascinating. Thank you!
IMHO, outside of George Washington for what he means to the country, Douglas MacArthur was the greatest general in American history......
Shinobi HOG You can make the argument that MacArthur was the greatest general in American history, but similar arguments can be made for Scott and Grant. However, there is no doubt that MacArthur was the greatest shogun Japan ever had.
He messed up Korea.
Gtfo he was not the greatest American general in history. Only the one with the biggest ego
Shinobi HOG Tell that to the marines at chosin reservoir
Didn’t John Moseby tutor Patton when he was young, that is probably why he chose the cavalry. His family was from Virginia, his grandfather was a brigade commander under Stonewall Jackson and he had 2 uncles killed at Gettysburg during Picketts Charge.
I would like to see you make a video about Heinz Gunther Guderian. (Might have misspelled his name).
My great grandfather served under General Douglas MacArthur in the Pacific theatre of the Second World War!
Very interesting story about the impressive intermingled careers of three of the most famous generals of USA
Patton personally killed one or two of Pancho Villas men in a battle that was more like an old west gunfight than a military firefight.
We have a big statue of macArthur here in leyte philippines 😁👍🏻
I can’t believe it’s all over this Sunday 🤯
did Patton really say "We defeated the wrong enemy?" If so, where can I find that quote in an actual book?
I noticed that Patton and Pershing had something in their front chest pocket. Was it a uniform item or just a coincidence?
I like very much this kind of episodes! If you have enough time you could do one about Cesare Battisti/Camillo Ruggera!
Would love to see a who did what in WW1 which is about Count Gilbert Hamilton
can you do an episode about the hashemites? specifically sharif hussein of mecca
I always like the video before watching
Why don't the World War Two Channel "sponsor" one of TGW episodes, so that it is mentioned over here?
Patton declared MacArthur as "the bravest man I ever met." That statement is a testament to MacArthur's courage at the WWI frontlines, especially as subsequent thereto, Patton was clearly impatient with cowards. Both men exemplify heroism.
Mmm why did he always keep hiding in the second world war?
IDC what anybody says about them.
They loved their country.
It often seems that most of the wars throughout history have been fought by descendants of the same families.
I will miss this show. Australia played a much bigger role in the Great WAR and we lost more men both in raw figures and by population.
Indian here. Didn't you get the memo? It's always the "British" army!
Your series should seriously be college credits. Outstanding job!
Quick note on the 42nd Infantry Division. During the Meuse-Argonne offensive, they lost 50% of their men. After WWI, the unit patch was changed to indicate the losses. Instead of a full rainbow, like we see at 5:06, it is now just a half rainbow. The 42nd was one of the units that replaced mine (1st Infantry Division) when we left Iraq in 2007.
As a Filipino who is fascinated with history, Macarthur is the only one who became Field Marshall of the Philippine Army because if i remember correctly the current rankings of our Armed Forces of the Philippines(AFP) and since after the independence from the USA and its establishment the highest officer rank i heard was General then its either you get to be something star general or you get to be Chief of Staff of the AFP or something just below the Commander in Chief(which the President holds). It seems like our Field Marshall of the Philippine Army rank is either defunct or not used entirely after the 1940's (i could be wrong in all this though)
You are correct. MacArthur was made Field Marshal circa 1935-36. As it was an entirely new rank, he was given the privilege of designing the insignia. He chose not to make a separate uniform rank insignia but merely added a distinct gold braid around the rim of the existing US officers peak cap. This he wore till his retirement from the Philippine Army in 1939. Then he was called back to serve in the Philippines but still sporting his field marshals cap which he wore through to wars end and Korea. So he was wearing the insignia of a five star general of a foreign arny (no offence intended) before he was actually made a 5 star general officially in Dec 1944. And he can thank Monty (another supreme egotist) for bringing that rank about (whole story in itself)
It´s a pity the makers of the show cannot access the sources from the Central European countries due to the language issues. We had so many special episodes about the famous Anglo-Saxon actors of the war, but so few about the "big names" of the other, small nations. I hope that from the viewers of this channel who live in those countries, will raise a new generation of historians who will tell the great and certainly breathtaking stories of their nations in this war - just like Can started with the Ottoman Empire.
I hope they do an episode on George C. Marshall
MacArthurs father won the medal of Honor in the civil war
Finally!
Rainbow division would have such a different meaning today...
George S. Patton and Douglas MacArthur both served as senior officers in the First World War 1?
The egos of these men was bigger than the massive wars they fought.
the moon was only known as such since 1962, because if they said they were going to land on MacArthur's ego it would have grown bigger and affected tides worldwide
My great great grandfather was in the cavalry at Fort Ringgold in Texas during the First World War
For all of the hype about MacArthur the more I read about him the less impressed I am. He appears to me to take credit for things he did not actually do and side step blame for things he actually did. Patton clearly was the better General over all but lacked the understanding of PR that MacArthur was a master.
All yeah MacArthur was also infamous for having his intelligence be all yes men so he would be seen as a genius. MacArthur was an egotistical moron who great at PR.
It could be said that Winston Churchill was the father of the modern tank. He did a lot to promote them and get them built in Great Britain.