He's contradicting himself, wasn't his book titled controversy creates cash? And this wasn't punks fault, this is the new america and the little babies entitlement problems....they talk shit on social media but let the man who they talk about stand up to their face and they cry like babies looking for someine with stroke and power..
Eric is so right about Perry not knowing the fundamentals of the business. Like Verne told his students, if you get hurt, you don’t get paid, you don’t feed your family. Don’t be stupid, don’t put yourself in a position where you get hurt or where you cause your opponent to get hurt
@@madhatter8508 yeah but you can't get over when you're hurt and sitting at home, if you aren't more over you can't argue for a higher contract renewal
Jack Perry should face stiff punishment as well. Sounds like there was already a disruption over the glass and everyone got it smoothed out in the interest of business. Then during the biggest event of the company he went into business for himself to undo what had been done. Both men can be wrong.
The real question is did he decide to do that on his own, or did the EVPs put him up to that? Judging by the events that led up to Brawl In, it sure sounds like the Petites engineered this whole situation to trigger Punk's narcissistic rage and get him fired
Eric made great, logical points. Ted Turner had $ but put the proper people in place to grow WCW and eventually compete. Tony thinks he knows it all, or if he hires people...they don't have much experience with a national wrestling company.
His sources lied to him, time and time again, and he kept repeating their lies despite being embarrassed so many times before from repeating them. That's as good as a lie to me
*_Now Meltzer has admitted he misreported and lied._* He's claiming it's actually worse, without providing any details. (Why wouldn't you just report that? After misreporting Miro too, he cannot be believed.
It's a shame wrestlers and office people say they are competing with WWE, because man they are a great alternative but they don't need to fight a war with WWE.
They’d be much better off if they’d ignore WWE completely. They waste so much time, energy, and money trying to compete and if they’d took those resources and spent them on their product they’d be in a better spot.
They are not trying to and they don't need to. People are obssesed with talking about it that's a. Aew having its best year by far as far as revenue and that's if you take out all in.
I haven't listenwd or watched a Conrad-led interview in a few years. After listening, it is interesting how Conrad has transitioned from a business man to a mark when making decisions. Conrad would never let this happen in his businesses, but in wrestling...
I honestly think that curiosity plays a major part in AEW's success, which is why those successes don't seem to last. People get curious because they here people talking about AEW, they watch a show, and then they are like, "Yeah, I'm good," and don't watch another AEW match. I get a kick out of the mental gymnastics AEW fans are trying to use to spin *All-In* as the "biggest wrestling event of all-time." It's THEIR biggest event of all-time, but it's not even close to *_Wrestlemania 39, 38, 32, or 3._* All three of those events have matches that will be talked about for years to come. We are still TODAY talking about *Hulk Hogan vs. Andre The Giant* and *Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat vs Randy 'Macho Man' Savage* 34 years later. One was a legendary-spectacle, the other was a technical-masterpiece. Not that the matches weren't good at *All-In,* but there isn't a single match on that card that anyone will be talking about 34 years from now. Not even AEW fans. They don't have a product that appeals to the average-consumer. They play to one audience, and they do it very. There is NOTHING wrong with that by the way. If that is their niche' and they are profitable as a company and it's what they enjoy doing, more power to them. However, if they are interested in "competing" with WWE, they will need to do what WCW did. Not going head-to-head necessarily, but going outside of their comfort-zone or what has worked well in the part to a point, and making a product that is more universally appealing. Marks think that EVERYONE like what they like, or should. Successful businesses understand that there are different strokes for different folks and that in order to be successful long-term, you need to have a product that universally appeals to everyone, or, several things that appeal to several different demographics. You need to have a cake everyone thinks is delicious, or several different types of cake people can choose from. That is what worked for WCW from 1996-98 which allowed WCW Monday Nitro to overtake WWF Monday Night RAW for 83 weeks. Neither approach is easy, and both take a very long time. It took WWE decades to build the company into a machine basically runs on automatic with only a few course-corrections needed here and there to keep the ship on track. Even when the on-screen product in WWE is less than favorable, the company is still turning in huge profits. It's easy to bake a cake out of the box. All you have to do is read the instructions on the back. However, it takes years and years of cooking and trial and error to be able to bake a delicious cake from scratch without needing any instructions at all. AEW is headed in the right direction, but they have a long-way to go.
Good post. I think the thing is youre either Big and Mass Market or Small and Niche. AEW is trying to be Big and Niche, and that dont make no sense lol
Conrad saying AEW is competitive with WWE is the funniest thing I've heard. Those comments makes me question if Conrad knows anything about the wrestling business. And undertaker wasn't management but if he told talent something, you better believe they'll listen or he'll tape his fists up. That's what punk was acting as when management asked him to talk to Jungle boy.
Crazy ppl try to clown a man for his performance in the UFC (Top MMA competition in the world) but won't clown the ppl that got beat up or choked out by a nearly 50yr old man. 😂
It took balls to walk away from huge money to fake fight to get beat up for real. I bet punk beats the shit outa most wrestlers. That’s probably why Omgea and the bucks are butt hurt
@GreyLeo probably because the Bucks and Jack Perry are the least intimidating looking guys in the wrestling business. Alot of 60 year old men could beat their asses lol
The only reason Eric had the best Podcast with Connie is he the only one that doesn’t have contract with any company. If the rest of Connie’s podcast ever one is getting paid by the WWE or AEW .
I love Eric but Conrad makes this almost unlistenable. He’s bias for AEW and Tony. He never admits the faults they have. This is all Tony’s fault because he wanted to be friends with everyone
Conrad is mark and this episode proves it. Edge himself went on both Twitter & Instagram and told people that him going AEW was bullshit. The star himself said that while drinking a cup of coffee. Here's video itself: ua-cam.com/video/3h6V2VEoAM0/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
You gotta have two perspectives.. If both were completely pro or both were con on the subject, there would be no conflict.. no conflict, no controversy..no controversy, NO CASH lol
@@pinroshan020I’ve seen people say without the elite there is no aew. In 2023 that’s 100% incorrect. If he hadn’t re-signed them, the company would be better off. Seems like they’re gatekeeping the company and I think any big name would definitely think twice now before entertaining an offer from aew. Maybe he should’ve just kept Kenny who at least seems to be less of a snake than the other two.
Things I've noticed, Conrad always turns moments he can't reply into commercial spots, and he can't let anyone disparage AEW. Even if they have a valid point, like Eric often does.
Wrestlemania 3 and all in had similar looks in terms of the size of the crowd but there was no steamboat/savage groundbreaking match and there was no hogan slamming Andre moment. The two events are not alike other than the size of the crowd.
I lived through WrestleMania 3. It wasnt as big as history has built it up to be. Hogan wrestled and slammed andre in a match before wrestlemania 3 and was known at the time so it wasnt that big a deal back then. The machine has just done a good job of building to be bigger show than it was then. Savage steamboat was a great match. But BUT almost every match on the wembley card was a better wrestling match than the savage steamboat match. Wwe and hogan has done a beautiful job at making that show 30 years later way better than it actually was. The rest of the card was mid card jobbers doing head locks and drop kicks. It was boring besides the hogan hysteria.
@@teagan9184 Your a AEW shill for SURE, Nobody is even talking about the matches on ALL IN anymore and it was just two weeks ago 😂😂 people still remember Hogan slamming Andre and some of use wasn't even born yet 😂😂😂
@@teagan9184 Wembley card had better matches yet no one is talking about them today? Fuck your bangers I want story's, a banger will not be remembered without story to it
It has become painfully obvious who are Dave meltzer’s inside sources in aew. After brawl out, meltzer was reporting the bucks were out there feeding the poor and punk was kicking kittens.
I agree with Conrad's point thay really its sad because of how exciting Punk's debut was. I remember how exciting it was when Punk wrestled his return match with Darby Allin amd Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson debuted in the same night. At that time I thought that AEW had more momentum and intrigue than WWE and was about to reach a new level, but since then its been so dysfuntional and ended badly.
WrestleMania III was the bridge 🌉 from the way old-school wrestling was presented up to that point on March 29, 1987 -l to the present day of what we have now.
Amazing how Conrad is so down the AEW fan path, but takes every opportunity to remind people he isn't. He's not cheering for either side. Then has events, with AEW co-marketing, AEW stars, AEW logos side by side. AEW apparently just had the most important wrestling event in history, but I promise, I'm not an AEW mark
Eric Bischoff comparing Dave Meltzer to cancer, in regards to Dave's impact to the Pro Wrestling business in spot on. Is it me or is Eric Bischoff and Jim Cornette are both on the same page on their prospectives on the CM Punk and Jack "Jungle Boy" Perry situation. Only if [1] Lenard Asper's Anthem Sports & Entertainment, [2] Billy Corgan and [3] Court Bauer could combine resources and have a bi-weekly Impact Wrestling+National Wrestling Alliance+Major League Wrestling show and annual Tri-Pro Wrestling Promotional PPV event.
When eric mentioned we'd gain respect for tony after this decision down tbe line im like yeah no. It all lands on tony for not dealing with it properly and setting up proper management from the beginning.
You do realize theyre just actors pretending to be tough and not really hitting eachother, right? Do you really think theyre running around backstage kicking each other azzs??. Lol. Yea unsafe. If someone was in the break room at your work at Donald's trying to choke you and your boss out, youd say the same thang6
Jack Perry should be fired too in fairness, the first time around when everything happened with punk, the bucks, & omega those suspensions should have been a warning to all employees that any type of behavior like that going forward would be automatic termination.
It's coming. Jack "Jungle Boy" Perry is indefinitely suspended and if he comes back expect for to be jobbed out to the likes of Hook, Wheeler Yuta, Josh Woods and Nick Wayne.
@Mr.Majestic77 Wrong. Jack Perry just became a LEGEND for what he did. His crowd reactions, his merchandise sales, his presence are all about to go through the f***ing roof.
@@loregasmicisnt he meant to be one of the 4 pillars? The other 3 are at least over with people. He's by far the least valuable of them. Even as a heel he's boring
All through this let's not forget to credit Samoa Joe, who pulled Punk into line, told him to he professional and finish the match they were booked for.
Listening to what I hope so Jeff Jarrett shill a scam financial company is both detestable and hilarious in equal parts EDIT - ATM Eric passing the title to Tony makes me grin ear to ear
I think it’s kinda wild when people say edges last run in wwe wasn’t good. Dude won the rumble, headlined wresltmania even if he lost. Dude helped create the second to top faction in wwe, the judgement day. He also had a bunch of bangers with Rollins, AJ and got to tag with his wife in a few matches. I really don’t see him doing much in aew outside of one final run with Christian… but I’m More worried that will look like the Hardy’s final run. But who knows.
'It's all Tony Khan's fault.' That really is all that needs to be said. He doesn't act like a boss he acts like a fanboy who's playing with real life action figures. He should have put his foot down a year ago the day the Bucks and Omega decided to walk into Punk's dressing room.
As if you have any idea of what really happened or happens behind the scenes of kahns world. Lol. The dude runs a football team and two wrestling promotions. I dont think hes a push over. Hes in the black with all 3 companies. Thats a great leader and all that really matters. If hes having fun while doing it more power to him. More than anything you all will or have ever done in life. Lmao
My brother who isn't a wrestling fan almost went because he said there was a lot of good seats available for only $20. Got called into work so he missed the shitshow
i hate wwe and the mcmahons but will always give them credit for hiring eric, that was a great move that even got hardcore wcw fans like me to keep watching raw for a few years. such a huge genuine shock when he showed up too. it was unthinkable, which is why it was the perfect thing to do to get that reaction
@@Tim85-y2qyes he does that was a one time thing not someone continually causing problems and committing assault on other talent in the back over and over again
@@Tim85-y2qbig difference. Erick dealt with it instantly and Tony let this fester for over a year with out doing a godamn thing. Huge difference also considering the law was involved.
Love your take on things. Your mind for the business is even better than it was 20 years ago. I wish more people in the business listened to your words and took their wisdom to heart.
Outside of AEW & WWE competing in the same talent pool, WWE is far ahead of AEW in every other metric (Ratings, Sponsorship, Merchandising, Domestic TV Contracts, International TV Contracts, etc) But they are supposed to be. WWE is 41 years old. AEW is only 4 years old.
Mark Henry on Punk’s firing: “Now, you can freely go and there will be no more complaining. There should be no more complaining. The problem is gone. The so-called problem is. Everything should be shits and giggles and unicorn pee and rainbow blankets. That's what it should be now. I'm curious to see how it's going to be. The problem is solved." Wonder who will be to blame when the locker room is still a shit show and they have no scapegoat.
I wouldn’t compare punk getting fired to hogan at bash at the beach. If anything I’d more compare this situation with Ultimate Warrior in WCW. Big name talent that didn’t work out.
Are rumors true about other wrestlers asking Punk to tell Jack Perry not to use real glass? Also, did the Elite cancel a meeting with Punk a few weeks ago, if so it looks bad for AEW
What I have heard was punk accused Perry of using glass because he wanted time off work, and that the elite didn’t cancel the meeting but said they where not in a place to have it because Punk was being so irrational.
@@Ginric99 certainly could be true, but Tony K has to be the guy telling Perry to not use real glass, not Punk. It seems the guys either love him or hate him, including Moxley, but even he told his wife on her show that he's never encountered the kind of drama AEW has, that includes all his WWE time including developmental.
Something tells me Punk was asked to mitigate the Perry issue, but as always, took it too far by claiming Jack wanted to use real glass to have an excuse not to work. So even if he was asked to get involved, then he screwed up by making his involvement personal instead of professional.
Conrad, we know you disagree whenever Eric even remotely criticizes AEW. You don’t need to counter argue at every turn and just let Eric talk and keep the conversation moving.
Jack wants heat? Heat with who, agents & production? Also jack tells the camera "real glass" so fans watching think, they normally don't use real glass.
How can Eric Bischoff say that WWE & AEW are not in competition??? They practically trade the same wrestlers, and which one wouldn't want to have the hottest wrestler in their stable??? You don't think that WWE wouldn't want Adam Cole, Daniel Bryant, or Dean Ambrose back. You don't think WWE took back Cody Rhodes because he reinvented himself??? They are definitely in competition for talent. Point blank period.
WWE released all those people. Just like years and years ago they let go of people and TNA would sign them. Was TNA ever competition? No. Neither is AEW.
If Tony Khan wanted to turn heel, this weekend would have been the best time to do it. The fact that he said he "feared for his life," I lost all respect for him. He should have fired Jack Perry as well, but Perry is friends with the EVP's. Punk was Khan's biggest star. If anyone disagrees, look at Collison's ratings.
Tk should give BD a shot at doing creative for collision and see what he can do. What if ratings improve and bring back fans that lost interest in the aew. What if it leads to BD being more involved backstage in aew once he ends his in ring career
I used to care this much about wrestling. Now I'm happier as just a viewer of the shows I like. Overthinking silly things made me miserable for a long time. Thank god I'm able to enjoy what I like and not watch what I don't. Erick and Meltzer sound the same to me now. I'm good
Danielson is the guy to build collision going forward and when he steps away they will know it ahead of time and naive someone like starks becomes who they build the show around
Punk is a perfect example of how we can all be a better person. What I mean by this is that he was quick to throw shade at anyone and anything, but obviously could not see his own faults. I hope he can mature and come back in time for a good run, but the clock is certainly ticking.
The guy is never going to change. Stop being delusional. How many chances as he had now? How many bridges did he burn? He is Cancer Made Punk for a reason.
i think we need details, if like Bishoff says, was Punk put in a position of authority to tell Jungle Boy we arent using real glass, then he has every right to call him out, problem is Punks history hurt him here, but really comes to the details. If Punk wasnt involved or told him not to use real glass, then why would he even give a shit.
details for this specific incident sure. But there's been enough smoke to see the fire. And that fire was blazing when he undermined kahn at the media scrum. Eric emphasizes that part and I can see why. It helped me respect how well WWE could manage talent like Punk over the years. @@DavidKastris
What I find interesting is that the majority of wrestling fans who spent these past couple of years chanting and begging for C.M. Punk have turned on him.
You’re right about that paradox, but Hall, Nash, and Hogan were hugely responsible for those 83 weeks of being on top of the ratings and for the company turning a profit. The guys Tony allows to walk all over him aren’t selling tickets or moving the ratings.
@paulmolive1821 when you're right, you're right. But also remember before NWO Hulk wasnt drawing at all in WCW. So I said if it wasn't for Hall and bisoff stealing the idea from Japan was genius, but they made so much money that WCW should still be in business.
Interestingly enough Eric called the problem out years ago and history has proved him right. AEW is too focused on the smart mark, Meltzer crowd and have failed to grow their audience. The elite, who their tiny audience loves… are completely out of control, attacked their biggest draw then undermined him to the point that they ran Punk out… and Tony let it happen. That company has a real problem with objectivity. Until their willing to let opinions form outside the bubble in… they’ll be rubbish
I'm a CM Punk fan.. I understand Uncle Eric's gripe with disgruntled employees lol I get it. I get it.. The only thing i say is... It's CM PUNK! lol Dude is giving EVERYONE content in the past few weeks.. $$$$ You mean to tell me that in a hypothetical situation that Uncle Eric and Phil couldn't work together to take our money in exchange for entertaining us? I WOULD PAY to see them cut promos on each other in a wrestling ring. Eric would work with Punk, Punk would work with Eric. I say all that to say that I listen to Eric to get a better view rather than just listen to "pro" punk material. Thanks Conrad, thanks Eric for balancing out the business with different perspectives
Harley Race is disgusted with TK saying he felt unsafe and feared for his life. HR had a gun, threatened to kill Hogan and set the ring on fire. Ah the good ole days
Lmao. Someone listens to way too many old carnies on these podcasts. Lol. "Ee drank 2 cases of beer and wrestled 8 hours a day everyday if the week while beating fans up that pulled knives on us". - every old carny ever.
Sorry but that UFC dig made me chuckle, lol. In my opinion, Khan should've cut Punk a year ago. Bottom line is, AEW will be fine without him and those who think letting him go was this massive mistake, are most likely going to be surprised. I've always felt that there is this belief that CM Punk is like this monster star, on the level of an Austin or Rock. When he's really not. From what I've read, he's kind of like a modern day Ultimate Warrior in some respects. Huge pain in the ass, overrated, good majority of the employees don't want him around, and believes his own bullshit.
Ppl to need remember Cody hasn't been booked good at all. They don't even book their women's division well at all. Mox, Claudio, Christian, FTR, Bryan and Hardys have been booked awesome in AEW.
Remember when Brock was a free agent and AEW marks wanted him there? Can you imagine if these little 😺😺😺😺 acted that way around Brock? Brock would've roidraged and would've killed them all. Punk was nice to them.
I feel like Brock would be smart enough to avoid most of the locker room, much like he does at WWE. Punk really should have been someone who wrestlers 10 or less appearances per year.
I am sure Perry knew not to antagonize Punk.Can you really see Perry antagonizing someone tough like Race, Mulligan, Rude, Orndorff or Lesnar ? He would be lucky the front face lock would be all he would get
With any of the wrestler you mentioned punk wouldn't be in any place to be locker room leader. Also it works the other way around if punk try to control any of them old tuff wrestler punk would of been a sleep faster than he can do the gts. Punk has no place trying to lead anything but a dog and tell other what they can and can't do. If Perry word's really did up set punk that much he's more of a child then I fault.
@@TheOtakuKat if they're a couple yes. If they're not a couple, then it's called a fight. Unless you know something about Punk and Perry the rest of us do not?
I honestly don't think Punk getting fired is going to hurt AEW long term. Since he came back from his suspension, he hadn't been in a very compelling storyline. Matches vs Samoa Joe are great but it wasn't getting me to watch anymore than I would have without Punk involved. His initial run up to winning the AEW title last year was great but then he sabotaged any momentum he had by acting like a child throwing a tantrum at the media scrum and in the locker room. While he isn't the only one to be at fault for the fight, he was the one who put Tony in the awful position at that media scrum.
@@arturoalmazan5262Eric cants say anything about Vince, but he can take Tony to task considering the fact that he was a bigger threat to WWE while working with less money.
@@drillosophy1012He was also handed a promotion that was already established for decades with already known stars and an endless pocket of teds money. Big difference than aew. And Eric still ran it out of business while never owning anything. Lmao.
@@arturoalmazan5262I mean Eric woulda bought them but they f’d over the tv deal (turner) so it didn’t happen. Not Eric’s fault. And WCW coulda been red hot still. It was gonna die at the hands of those time warner idiots.
And he should of absolutely destroyed them, he had everything in his favour and he failed because he's a fraud and let locker room bias dictate everything
Eric Is completely right.. AEW is not competition to WWE.. And just like Eric said, they may have sold 81k in Wembley this year, but they won't ever do that again based on their track record. They haven't ever done a better rampage rating since their debut of 1.4 million. They are lucky to break 900k now a days at best and its been 4 years going on 5.. Collision draws what? 500k? If that.. It's like I said when AEW 1st came around. It'll be nothing more than a glorified indy promotion backed by a billion dollar Mark (Tony Khan), that'll only appeal to a small niche audience, that audience being the hardcore wrestling smarks, indy nerds, and dave meltzer fan boys.. Unless AEW becomes mainstream, it'll never even hold a candle within a mile radius of WWE. 🤷♂️
Aew is light years better than wwe in every way. Wwe has been unwatchable for a decade. Only brainwashed e fan girls think the horrible toddler wrestling they put on is worth anything
Which, honestly, is why Punk was actually that important to the gameplan there. He was a legit star, World Champion in the main company in town, and a legit draw (don't even try to argue that when they signed him they got people just tuning in to watch only Punk). So honestly AEW, and mainly their EVPs (which was an incredible misstep by TK to begin with), pretty much sabotaged any potential growth when they constantly kept feeding this backstage drama (because the EVPs wanted to politic their biggest draw out of the company, because they aren't "fwendz"), rather than making money and growing. 4 years in, and they can barely get over the 900k mark? If it was ran correctly they should be challenging Smackdown numbers by this time in. Just shows who/what they're trying to pander to, and it's not the casual fans. Mismanagement left, right, and center, and it still all falls on TK for all of it.
@pjludda4323 Well put. TK has failed to keep his backstage/locker rooms in line and was labeled toxic well before Punk ever showed up. When you have multiple Veterans like J.R., Jake Roberts and even Regal when he was there said much of these young guys can't take criticisms or even advice on how to be better performers ... it's a total joke. I'm not claiming Punk couldn't have handled himself better he absolutely could and should have. I do believe there was a plan by the Elite & friends to get rid of Punk day 1 of his arrival.
@chrisrosenberg4864 I disagree partly. The elite are jokes, but punk wasn't a draw, not to the magnitude it was hyped up to be. Going around trying to micromanage other talent and whine wasn't a great thing to do either.
Jack Perry is 26 years old. Despite what people seem to think, he is a grown man. Don't know if I'm alone here but I hate that people are trying to excuse his behavior based on his age. He's not some snot nosed 16 year old. He's a grown man.
Lets be real here. AEW doesn't need CM Punk. Theyll go on without skipping a beat. It only hurts Phil. I don't know what his issue is but hopefully he can look in the mirror and do some soul searching. Because the common denominator in all of these blowups is him.
I’m pretty disappointed with all of this as I had just got into aew in late 2019 or early 2020. Punk is definitely my favorite, along with those like him, the guys who prefer to work the old tried and true style and tell a story with their matches, throw strikes that actually look like punches, etc. I tried to watch wwe last night and it’s just so irritating to me. The Seth Rollins thing, the over scripted long promos, the obvious sanitation of the whole program in general just irks me, it’s like Disney running a wrestling show. But dynamite is just as bad in that it’s a garbage fest. Collision was my absolute favorite for the short time it’s been on. I want to keep watching aew but if Saturday turns into dynamite because punk is gone, I can’t do it.
CM Punk doesn't have a good record in court. WWE broke his back and his friendship with Scott Colton. He doesn't have any friends left. Whose podcast is he going to go on? Cornette? Let's see how much Cornette likes Punk after he gets him sued into poverty like he did to Scott Colton.
Eric can always be realied on for providing realism and a realistic reality with AEW. Conrad is the biggest AEW fan boy and how he legitimately believes AEW is competitive with WWE is laughable....Thank you Eric
Punk screwed himself. Taking a swing at your boss is going to get you fired. Constantly having issues with multiple members of the AEW locker room, and then turning around and playing the victim, is going to get your ass fired. For someone who calls himself a locker room leader, to act like a spoiled man child, especially at his age, is an embarrassment. At this point in his career, he should know how to handle himself and act professional…but Punk clearly doesn’t. At the end of the day, TK did the right thing by removing the locker room cancer, and AEW will flourish with Punk gone. Besides, in the 2 years that he was a part of AEW, he was either suspended or injured for nearly half the time.
Ericn is asked if there was comparable situation within WCW, similar to Punk vs. AEW. He quickly mentions his debacle over Roc Flair's contract, then goes off on some bitter tangent about hiw WCW was better than AEW. But, I digress.
I have to say this is a first but eazy e was spot on with everything and everyone today especially with TK... maybe this will be a learning curve for TK . because of the needle ain't moving no wrestler needs evp power...
100% agree with Eric. I like the distinction between the good decision and the right decision. Letting him go was the right thing to do.
I'm a CM Punk fan with a CM Punk bias... I must agree... It was inevitable lol
Eric and TonyKhan are idjits and CM Punk is bigger than both of them.
He's contradicting himself, wasn't his book titled controversy creates cash? And this wasn't punks fault, this is the new america and the little babies entitlement problems....they talk shit on social media but let the man who they talk about stand up to their face and they cry like babies looking for someine with stroke and power..
It definitely wasn't
Alvarez and Meltzer are killing what's left of wrestling
Both of them are the worst speakers on UA-cam too. You can’t make sense of either of them attempting to make a single coherent point.
I'm giving the wrestling observer negative 5 stars. no, negative 6 stars lol
Eric is so right about Perry not knowing the fundamentals of the business. Like Verne told his students, if you get hurt, you don’t get paid, you don’t feed your family. Don’t be stupid, don’t put yourself in a position where you get hurt or where you cause your opponent to get hurt
They're on guaranteed salaries now, so even if you sawdust yourself you still get paid AND you don't have to work for it anymore.
@@madhatter8508 yeah but you can't get over when you're hurt and sitting at home, if you aren't more over you can't argue for a higher contract renewal
Agreed but eric is totally wrong saying jungle boy/jack perry is not a star. He really is, and it was not true to say.@@newerest1
@@madhatter8508Guaranteed downside, but they make more when actively wrestling.
Jack Perry should face stiff punishment as well. Sounds like there was already a disruption over the glass and everyone got it smoothed out in the interest of business. Then during the biggest event of the company he went into business for himself to undo what had been done. Both men can be wrong.
The real question is did he decide to do that on his own, or did the EVPs put him up to that? Judging by the events that led up to Brawl In, it sure sounds like the Petites engineered this whole situation to trigger Punk's narcissistic rage and get him fired
Eric made great, logical points. Ted Turner had $ but put the proper people in place to grow WCW and eventually compete.
Tony thinks he knows it all, or if he hires people...they don't have much experience with a national wrestling company.
Conrad: "I don't believe dave has ever intentionally lied."
😂 It's not a lie..... If you believe it
Dave Melzter screwed Dave Meltzer
His sources lied to him, time and time again, and he kept repeating their lies despite being embarrassed so many times before from repeating them. That's as good as a lie to me
Talk about not living in reality
Conrad was just waiting for that ad break when Eric was throwing haymakers at Dave 😂
Yep that was a pretty clever way to get Eric off that topic.
Bischoff was completely cooking that man.
*_Now Meltzer has admitted he misreported and lied._*
He's claiming it's actually worse, without providing any details. (Why wouldn't you just report that?
After misreporting Miro too, he cannot be believed.
It's a shame wrestlers and office people say they are competing with WWE, because man they are a great alternative but they don't need to fight a war with WWE.
They have to get their own house in order before competing with anyone.
Don't worry there not lol
They’d be much better off if they’d ignore WWE completely. They waste so much time, energy, and money trying to compete and if they’d took those resources and spent them on their product they’d be in a better spot.
They’d lose lol
They are not trying to and they don't need to. People are obssesed with talking about it that's a. Aew having its best year by far as far as revenue and that's if you take out all in.
Daniel Bryan has made a career out of cleaning up CM Punk's messes
Honestly, "Bischoff was right" was the first thing I thought of when the news broke.
Conrad is a AEW mark and Eric hates Punk. There is no bias commentary here
Or maybe you just have a different opinion
Apparently Bischoff doesn’t despise Punk as much as he does Meltzer. Lol
punk made stupid statements relating to wcw
Eric also doesn’t like tk
Imagine being so lame that im 2023 you still us the term "mark". L..O.S.E.R
Conrad is such an AEW mark
Wow! This aint a news anymore. We all know that.
….. for good damn reason. Why is it such a bad thing to have great taste? Lol
@@Aurora-Nyx aew will be dead within 5 years
@@Aurora-Nyx great taste 😂😂😂😂😂😂 you mean like Leatherface?
Yeah and thats what we love. A true wrestling embassadeur.
I haven't listenwd or watched a Conrad-led interview in a few years. After listening, it is interesting how Conrad has transitioned from a business man to a mark when making decisions. Conrad would never let this happen in his businesses, but in wrestling...
I honestly think that curiosity plays a major part in AEW's success, which is why those successes don't seem to last. People get curious because they here people talking about AEW, they watch a show, and then they are like, "Yeah, I'm good," and don't watch another AEW match. I get a kick out of the mental gymnastics AEW fans are trying to use to spin *All-In* as the "biggest wrestling event of all-time." It's THEIR biggest event of all-time, but it's not even close to *_Wrestlemania 39, 38, 32, or 3._* All three of those events have matches that will be talked about for years to come. We are still TODAY talking about *Hulk Hogan vs. Andre The Giant* and *Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat vs Randy 'Macho Man' Savage* 34 years later. One was a legendary-spectacle, the other was a technical-masterpiece. Not that the matches weren't good at *All-In,* but there isn't a single match on that card that anyone will be talking about 34 years from now. Not even AEW fans.
They don't have a product that appeals to the average-consumer. They play to one audience, and they do it very. There is NOTHING wrong with that by the way. If that is their niche' and they are profitable as a company and it's what they enjoy doing, more power to them. However, if they are interested in "competing" with WWE, they will need to do what WCW did. Not going head-to-head necessarily, but going outside of their comfort-zone or what has worked well in the part to a point, and making a product that is more universally appealing.
Marks think that EVERYONE like what they like, or should. Successful businesses understand that there are different strokes for different folks and that in order to be successful long-term, you need to have a product that universally appeals to everyone, or, several things that appeal to several different demographics. You need to have a cake everyone thinks is delicious, or several different types of cake people can choose from. That is what worked for WCW from 1996-98 which allowed WCW Monday Nitro to overtake WWF Monday Night RAW for 83 weeks. Neither approach is easy, and both take a very long time. It took WWE decades to build the company into a machine basically runs on automatic with only a few course-corrections needed here and there to keep the ship on track. Even when the on-screen product in WWE is less than favorable, the company is still turning in huge profits. It's easy to bake a cake out of the box. All you have to do is read the instructions on the back. However, it takes years and years of cooking and trial and error to be able to bake a delicious cake from scratch without needing any instructions at all.
AEW is headed in the right direction, but they have a long-way to go.
Good post. I think the thing is youre either Big and Mass Market or Small and Niche.
AEW is trying to be Big and Niche, and that dont make no sense lol
Eric is right about the creative piece being the difference maker for AEW.
Conrad saying AEW is competitive with WWE is the funniest thing I've heard. Those comments makes me question if Conrad knows anything about the wrestling business.
And undertaker wasn't management but if he told talent something, you better believe they'll listen or he'll tape his fists up. That's what punk was acting as when management asked him to talk to Jungle boy.
Eric said it perfectly... malcontents. Can you imagine any of the elite camp trying their BS around Vince?
Laughed out loud at the " have you seen him fight in the UFC" line
Conrad's reaction makes it better too lol, "awww come on now..."
I did too...but it was Conrad's : "AH COME OWN NAHYOWWW!" response that made me lose it!
Crazy ppl try to clown a man for his performance in the UFC (Top MMA competition in the world) but won't clown the ppl that got beat up or choked out by a nearly 50yr old man. 😂
It took balls to walk away from huge money to fake fight to get beat up for real. I bet punk beats the shit outa most wrestlers. That’s probably why Omgea and the bucks are butt hurt
@GreyLeo probably because the Bucks and Jack Perry are the least intimidating looking guys in the wrestling business. Alot of 60 year old men could beat their asses lol
Honestly I think Eric is the best podcast that Conrad has. I love JR, but Eric is so captivating to listen to and his takes are mostly on point.
I like Bruce's podcasts a little bit more...but Eric has a great show
The only reason Eric had the best Podcast with Connie is he the only one that doesn’t have contract with any company. If the rest of Connie’s podcast ever one is getting paid by the WWE or AEW .
The top 3 I listen to every week are Bruce, Eric, and JJ. JR depends on the week, and OYDK is also becoming weekly lol.
If you like listening to douchebags.
Dogg and Casio are a must listen.
I love Eric but Conrad makes this almost unlistenable. He’s bias for AEW and Tony. He never admits the faults they have. This is all Tony’s fault because he wanted to be friends with everyone
Conrad is mark and this episode proves it. Edge himself went on both Twitter & Instagram and told people that him going AEW was bullshit. The star himself said that while drinking a cup of coffee. Here's video itself: ua-cam.com/video/3h6V2VEoAM0/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I had not listened to a conrad podcast in prob 6 months, but decided to give this one a listen. Now I remember why I stopped listening for so long 😂
I love Eric too. A lot.
You gotta have two perspectives.. If both were completely pro or both were con on the subject, there would be no conflict.. no conflict, no controversy..no controversy, NO CASH lol
@@td89x haha me too. And he overexposed himself lmao. There’s no reason for him to have what 7 different podcasts were he’s the host
All I know is that Punk vs. MJF was the most fun I had watching wrestling in a long time, and I'm pissed that now it's not going to happen again.
Blame Punk for that. He's a complete child.
@@JayCity10and now punk is fired, the gay bucks are now acting as children by mocking punk in collision last sat. What an EVPs they got there! Lmao!
@@pinroshan020i saw that, unbelievable. Tony pussycat Khan should've fired them on the spot! Of course we all know he probably hugged them after.
@@JayCity10
The cucks/elite and their fans are toxic af
@@pinroshan020I’ve seen people say without the elite there is no aew. In 2023 that’s 100% incorrect. If he hadn’t re-signed them, the company would be better off. Seems like they’re gatekeeping the company and I think any big name would definitely think twice now before entertaining an offer from aew. Maybe he should’ve just kept Kenny who at least seems to be less of a snake than the other two.
Everyone is talking about how Punk reacts but no one talks about what caused it. A damn shame .
Exactly,its all tonys fault for letting it fester to begin.with.Wrestlers as EVPS is not a good idea.Khan let's the cosplay wrestlers run the show
The "disciplinary committee" is no doubt the Bucks and Omega.
Things I've noticed, Conrad always turns moments he can't reply into commercial spots, and he can't let anyone disparage AEW. Even if they have a valid point, like Eric often does.
Easy E is right as usual. Tony Khan should have taken his advice a long time ago and spared himself the headache.
Wrestlemania 3 and all in had similar looks in terms of the size of the crowd but there was no steamboat/savage groundbreaking match and there was no hogan slamming Andre moment. The two events are not alike other than the size of the crowd.
I lived through WrestleMania 3. It wasnt as big as history has built it up to be. Hogan wrestled and slammed andre in a match before wrestlemania 3 and was known at the time so it wasnt that big a deal back then. The machine has just done a good job of building to be bigger show than it was then. Savage steamboat was a great match. But BUT almost every match on the wembley card was a better wrestling match than the savage steamboat match. Wwe and hogan has done a beautiful job at making that show 30 years later way better than it actually was. The rest of the card was mid card jobbers doing head locks and drop kicks. It was boring besides the hogan hysteria.
@@teagan9184I disagree. It’s good that everyone has the right to have their own subjective opinion.
@@teagan9184 Your a AEW shill for SURE, Nobody is even talking about the matches on ALL IN anymore and it was just two weeks ago 😂😂 people still remember Hogan slamming Andre and some of use wasn't even born yet 😂😂😂
@@teagan9184 Wembley card had better matches yet no one is talking about them today? Fuck your bangers I want story's, a banger will not be remembered without story to it
It’s been like 40 years since WM3. You think there’s still groundbreaking ideas left?
It has become painfully obvious who are Dave meltzer’s inside sources in aew.
After brawl out, meltzer was reporting the bucks were out there feeding the poor and punk was kicking kittens.
I agree with Conrad's point thay really its sad because of how exciting Punk's debut was. I remember how exciting it was when Punk wrestled his return match with Darby Allin amd Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson debuted in the same night. At that time I thought that AEW had more momentum and intrigue than WWE and was about to reach a new level, but since then its been so dysfuntional and ended badly.
Yeah, but Punk was only one small part of that dysfunction. Cole and Danielson haven't delivered, either
Did Conrad seriously call an AEW event the biggest event in "all of wrestling"? LMAO.
Maybe he meant just that weekend🤣
he's correct, just in terms of attendance
WrestleMania III was the bridge 🌉 from the way old-school wrestling was presented up to that point on March 29, 1987 -l to the present day of what we have now.
True. WMIII helped the wrestling business to transition into the mainstream probably more than anything
The “Disciplinary Committee” probably consist of The Young Bucks, Omega, and Orange Cassidy.
Amazing how Conrad is so down the AEW fan path, but takes every opportunity to remind people he isn't. He's not cheering for either side. Then has events, with AEW co-marketing, AEW stars, AEW logos side by side. AEW apparently just had the most important wrestling event in history, but I promise, I'm not an AEW mark
He's literally begging Edge to go to AEW on this episode 😂
Whether you’re on Team Punk or Team Elite. Either way you gotta admit CLEARLY it wasn’t working out. AEW and Punk should just part ways and move on.
"it wasn't working out so obviously you fire the big star instead of the petulant children"
Conrad acting like AEW and WWE are in the same league is hilarious.
@@nicotoscani1707There production is way below WWE's.
@@nicotoscani1707AEW had one huge show in the UK and now back to having low ticket sales and their new big show gets less views than NXT.
@@nicotoscani1707yeah sure lol, cool story mark .
I know WWE sucks
And you acting like aew isn’t a better option for not only the fans but the wrestlers is even more ridiculous 🖤
To put it politely. I think it's an interesting choice of words to imply that out of all the people involved, IT WAS PUNK who wasn't "a team player".
Eric Bischoff comparing Dave Meltzer to cancer, in regards to Dave's impact to the Pro Wrestling business in spot on. Is it me or is Eric Bischoff and Jim Cornette are both on the same page on their prospectives on the CM Punk and Jack "Jungle Boy" Perry situation.
Only if [1] Lenard Asper's Anthem Sports & Entertainment, [2] Billy Corgan and [3] Court Bauer could combine resources and have a bi-weekly Impact Wrestling+National Wrestling Alliance+Major League Wrestling show and annual Tri-Pro Wrestling Promotional PPV event.
When eric mentioned we'd gain respect for tony after this decision down tbe line im like yeah no. It all lands on tony for not dealing with it properly and setting up proper management from the beginning.
"unsafe work environment" in the wrestling business is hilarious
You do realize theyre just actors pretending to be tough and not really hitting eachother, right? Do you really think theyre running around backstage kicking each other azzs??. Lol. Yea unsafe. If someone was in the break room at your work at Donald's trying to choke you and your boss out, youd say the same thang6
@@teagan9184 You've made it clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Jack Perry should be fired too in fairness, the first time around when everything happened with punk, the bucks, & omega those suspensions should have been a warning to all employees that any type of behavior like that going forward would be automatic termination.
No. There's no comparison between the the behavior of both. And Punk has been a cancer in the locker room.
It's coming. Jack "Jungle Boy" Perry is indefinitely suspended and if he comes back expect for to be jobbed out to the likes of Hook, Wheeler Yuta, Josh Woods and Nick Wayne.
@Mr.Majestic77 Wrong. Jack Perry just became a LEGEND for what he did. His crowd reactions, his merchandise sales, his presence are all about to go through the f***ing roof.
@@loregasmicsays you? Very highly unlikely. The Guy sucks period.
@@loregasmicisnt he meant to be one of the 4 pillars? The other 3 are at least over with people. He's by far the least valuable of them. Even as a heel he's boring
A reminder that Punk had 2 contracts with AEW, talent and employee, "I'm trying to run a business" has a clearer meaning
ITS ABOUT TIME someone called this out about Dave Meltzer
I don't think WWE will ever take back CM Punk, he pretty much burned the bridge there.
All through this let's not forget to credit Samoa Joe, who pulled Punk into line, told him to he professional and finish the match they were booked for.
This was the most honest conversation about AEW and CM punk I’ve heard and Conrad was right about swerve and young kids love Hook and Darby push them
😂
What young kids love Swerve, Hook and Darby I have four of em in my house. Never heard of those guys but they do know John Cena and Logan Paul 😂😂😂😂😂.
Listening to what I hope so Jeff Jarrett shill a scam financial company is both detestable and hilarious in equal parts
EDIT - ATM Eric passing the title to Tony makes me grin ear to ear
Tony K should never take business ideas from the Captain of the WCW Titanic
I think it’s kinda wild when people say edges last run in wwe wasn’t good. Dude won the rumble, headlined wresltmania even if he lost. Dude helped create the second to top faction in wwe, the judgement day. He also had a bunch of bangers with Rollins, AJ and got to tag with his wife in a few matches. I really don’t see him doing much in aew outside of one final run with Christian… but I’m More worried that will look like the Hardy’s final run. But who knows.
'It's all Tony Khan's fault.' That really is all that needs to be said. He doesn't act like a boss he acts like a fanboy who's playing with real life action figures. He should have put his foot down a year ago the day the Bucks and Omega decided to walk into Punk's dressing room.
Exactly.
The way he plays them, gonna need new figures to replace the old ones.
fire punk and them I agree
As if you have any idea of what really happened or happens behind the scenes of kahns world. Lol. The dude runs a football team and two wrestling promotions. I dont think hes a push over. Hes in the black with all 3 companies. Thats a great leader and all that really matters. If hes having fun while doing it more power to him. More than anything you all will or have ever done in life. Lmao
Way before that. He should’ve put his foot down when hangman page went off script. He could’ve neutered the situation at the start
That crowd at Collision in Chicago sure was a sell out 😂
My brother who isn't a wrestling fan almost went because he said there was a lot of good seats available for only $20. Got called into work so he missed the shitshow
Man, that 14 minutes before they started talking about Meltzer (again) was good.
When this man ran raw I never fell asleep like I do now
i hate wwe and the mcmahons but will always give them credit for hiring eric, that was a great move that even got hardcore wcw fans like me to keep watching raw for a few years. such a huge genuine shock when he showed up too. it was unthinkable, which is why it was the perfect thing to do to get that reaction
Not defending Punk, but it's worth noting that Eric's management regime once presided over a European tour that ended with an actual stabbing.
What does that have do with punk? Nothing
Whoa! Really?
@@scorpiouswrex Just that he doesn't really have much room to talk as far as things getting out of hand backstage.
@@Tim85-y2qyes he does that was a one time thing not someone continually causing problems and committing assault on other talent in the back over and over again
@@Tim85-y2qbig difference. Erick dealt with it instantly and Tony let this fester for over a year with out doing a godamn thing. Huge difference also considering the law was involved.
Love your take on things. Your mind for the business is even better than it was 20 years ago. I wish more people in the business listened to your words and took their wisdom to heart.
Outside of AEW & WWE competing in the same talent pool, WWE is far ahead of AEW in every other metric (Ratings, Sponsorship, Merchandising, Domestic TV Contracts, International TV Contracts, etc)
But they are supposed to be. WWE is 41 years old. AEW is only 4 years old.
Mark Henry on Punk’s firing:
“Now, you can freely go and there will be no more complaining. There should be no more complaining. The problem is gone. The so-called problem is. Everything should be shits and giggles and unicorn pee and rainbow blankets. That's what it should be now. I'm curious to see how it's going to be. The problem is solved."
Wonder who will be to blame when the locker room is still a shit show and they have no scapegoat.
I would have fired Henry, yesterday. 850k for what?
Henry is about as useful as Booker T. Both are just saying anything to stay relevant
The scapegoat will be whoever Kenneth, the Cucks and Adam tell Meltzer they want to be the scapegoat for their deplorable behavior
I love Mizark Henry!!! Hey hey hey!!!
Name one time AEW had a single backstage issue before CM Punk joined???
I wouldn’t compare punk getting fired to hogan at bash at the beach. If anything I’d more compare this situation with Ultimate Warrior in WCW. Big name talent that didn’t work out.
Are rumors true about other wrestlers asking Punk to tell Jack Perry not to use real glass? Also, did the Elite cancel a meeting with Punk a few weeks ago, if so it looks bad for AEW
Those are not rumours, they are confirmed just overshadowed by how many people think the Elite can do no wrong.
What I have heard was punk accused Perry of using glass because he wanted time off work, and that the elite didn’t cancel the meeting but said they where not in a place to have it because Punk was being so irrational.
@@Ginric99 certainly could be true, but Tony K has to be the guy telling Perry to not use real glass, not Punk. It seems the guys either love him or hate him, including Moxley, but even he told his wife on her show that he's never encountered the kind of drama AEW has, that includes all his WWE time including developmental.
@@Suplexcityme316 Oh I agree
Something tells me Punk was asked to mitigate the Perry issue, but as always, took it too far by claiming Jack wanted to use real glass to have an excuse not to work. So even if he was asked to get involved, then he screwed up by making his involvement personal instead of professional.
Conrad, we know you disagree whenever Eric even remotely criticizes AEW. You don’t need to counter argue at every turn and just let Eric talk and keep the conversation moving.
Jack wants heat? Heat with who, agents & production? Also jack tells the camera "real glass" so fans watching think, they normally don't use real glass.
Right. Such a bonehead
Bruce Prichard invited Bryan Danielson into the WWE creative team in 2020 and sat in on all the meetings. Danielson mentioned it on Renee's podcast.
How can Eric Bischoff say that WWE & AEW are not in competition??? They practically trade the same wrestlers, and which one wouldn't want to have the hottest wrestler in their stable??? You don't think that WWE wouldn't want Adam Cole, Daniel Bryant, or Dean Ambrose back. You don't think WWE took back Cody Rhodes because he reinvented himself??? They are definitely in competition for talent. Point blank period.
The 2 companies had the same guys, but there is a clear night and day difference between how they were booked and/or managed in those companies.
Not in competition at all and who is Daniel Bryant?
They literally let them go. Are you on crack???😂😂😂😂
WWE released all those people. Just like years and years ago they let go of people and TNA would sign them. Was TNA ever competition? No. Neither is AEW.
If Tony Khan wanted to turn heel, this weekend would have been the best time to do it.
The fact that he said he "feared for his life," I lost all respect for him. He should have fired Jack Perry as well, but Perry is friends with the EVP's. Punk was Khan's biggest star. If anyone disagrees, look at Collison's ratings.
facts bro. aew might go the way of tna if a few years. hopefully im wrong.
If CM Punk acted like that in the US TK would have been fully within his legal right to grab Cash Wheelers gun and stand his ground lol
_Collision's_ ratings have consistently been subpar before Punk was fired, so that's not saying much.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 How was their ratings this past Saturday?
Small question for eric, if hulk hogan pulled that same thing like cm punk did at press scrum, would you fire him or not?
Old days this would be the biggest MONEY DRAW Match. The new day rule is boys can’t be boys-Like this is WRESTLING
Tk should give BD a shot at doing creative for collision and see what he can do. What if ratings improve and bring back fans that lost interest in the aew. What if it leads to BD being more involved backstage in aew once he ends his in ring career
I used to care this much about wrestling. Now I'm happier as just a viewer of the shows I like.
Overthinking silly things made me miserable for a long time. Thank god I'm able to enjoy what I like and not watch what I don't. Erick and Meltzer sound the same to me now. I'm good
Right on brother keep going!
Danielson is the guy to build collision going forward and when he steps away they will know it ahead of time and naive someone like starks becomes who they build the show around
Punk is a perfect example of how we can all be a better person. What I mean by this is that he was quick to throw shade at anyone and anything, but obviously could not see his own faults. I hope he can mature and come back in time for a good run, but the clock is certainly ticking.
The guy is never going to change. Stop being delusional. How many chances as he had now? How many bridges did he burn? He is Cancer Made Punk for a reason.
i think we need details, if like Bishoff says, was Punk put in a position of authority to tell Jungle Boy we arent using real glass, then he has every right to call him out, problem is Punks history hurt him here, but really comes to the details. If Punk wasnt involved or told him not to use real glass, then why would he even give a shit.
also Jungle Boy needs to GTFO, has no talent and agree was and never will be a star, only reason is that his dad was luke perry.
details for this specific incident sure. But there's been enough smoke to see the fire. And that fire was blazing when he undermined kahn at the media scrum. Eric emphasizes that part and I can see why. It helped me respect how well WWE could manage talent like Punk over the years. @@DavidKastris
Punk had typical bully mentality. He could dish it, but couldn't take it.
In regard to meltzer's statement of "we weren't hard enough on him..."
Who the fuck is "we?" Is Meltzer an EVP now??
Phil, You literally lost to Michael Jackson at 170 pounds. Do you not see the irony and why wrestlers hate you backstage?
What I find interesting is that the majority of wrestling fans who spent these past couple of years chanting and begging for C.M. Punk have turned on him.
Without even hearing the other side of the story. It’s pretty wild. Typical of AEW fans.
These are the most comments I've ever seen on any Conrad video .
Love how Eric talks about drawing lines in the sand, and you allowed Hulk Nash and the hall to run WCW down the drain
Maybe that's how he knows. He watched it happen. He's the original Tony Khan
@@TheHouseofPanda 😂😂😂😂😂 No Tony Khan haven't beaten WWE in the ratings like Eric did, Herb Abrams is the first Tony Khan 😂😂
You’re right about that paradox, but Hall, Nash, and Hogan were hugely responsible for those 83 weeks of being on top of the ratings and for the company turning a profit. The guys Tony allows to walk all over him aren’t selling tickets or moving the ratings.
@paulmolive1821 when you're right, you're right. But also remember before NWO Hulk wasnt drawing at all in WCW. So I said if it wasn't for Hall and bisoff stealing the idea from Japan was genius, but they made so much money that WCW should still be in business.
@@hopefulelectoftheng2819 "Mr. Snowman...Give me some blow...Make the 8-Ball the biggest that I ever seen..."
Interestingly enough Eric called the problem out years ago and history has proved him right.
AEW is too focused on the smart mark, Meltzer crowd and have failed to grow their audience. The elite, who their tiny audience loves… are completely out of control, attacked their biggest draw then undermined him to the point that they ran Punk out… and Tony let it happen.
That company has a real problem with objectivity. Until their willing to let opinions form outside the bubble in… they’ll be rubbish
Perry was definitely in the wrong, but Punk is genuinely crazy.
That minor quip in the camera is not a rational reason to go completely ballistic and criminally assault someone (in a foreign country no less.)
He was in the wrong, in his own external issue. Yes.
Punk was in the wrong in the way he handled it and then interacted with TK.
Fire both !! Perry sucks anyway.
You're assuming Perry wasn't following orders.
So maybe don't antagonize the guy you know can and will whoop your ass maybe?
I'm a CM Punk fan.. I understand Uncle Eric's gripe with disgruntled employees lol I get it. I get it.. The only thing i say is... It's CM PUNK! lol Dude is giving EVERYONE content in the past few weeks.. $$$$ You mean to tell me that in a hypothetical situation that Uncle Eric and Phil couldn't work together to take our money in exchange for entertaining us? I WOULD PAY to see them cut promos on each other in a wrestling ring. Eric would work with Punk, Punk would work with Eric. I say all that to say that I listen to Eric to get a better view rather than just listen to "pro" punk material. Thanks Conrad, thanks Eric for balancing out the business with different perspectives
Harley Race is disgusted with TK saying he felt unsafe and feared for his life.
HR had a gun, threatened to kill Hogan and set the ring on fire.
Ah the good ole days
Things that never happened lmao
Hogan made that story up and it’s been proven. But believe on marky Mark
@@FatLadyKiller Proven how? Video?
Lmao. Someone listens to way too many old carnies on these podcasts. Lol. "Ee drank 2 cases of beer and wrestled 8 hours a day everyday if the week while beating fans up that pulled knives on us". - every old carny ever.
@@teagan9184sounds someone listens to Meltzer way to much
Sorry but that UFC dig made me chuckle, lol. In my opinion, Khan should've cut Punk a year ago. Bottom line is, AEW will be fine without him and those who think letting him go was this massive mistake, are most likely going to be surprised. I've always felt that there is this belief that CM Punk is like this monster star, on the level of an Austin or Rock. When he's really not. From what I've read, he's kind of like a modern day Ultimate Warrior in some respects. Huge pain in the ass, overrated, good majority of the employees don't want him around, and believes his own bullshit.
Very unrated comment! Agree 💯
If Perry wants real heat when he returns come out to Cult of Personality !
Ppl to need remember Cody hasn't been booked good at all. They don't even book their women's division well at all. Mox, Claudio, Christian, FTR, Bryan and Hardys have been booked awesome in AEW.
Remember when Brock was a free agent and AEW marks wanted him there? Can you imagine if these little 😺😺😺😺 acted that way around Brock? Brock would've roidraged and would've killed them all. Punk was nice to them.
Watching Brock pick his teeth with the AEW locker room would be better than anything, on any show, since the 20th century.
Brock don't need anything for those lil shits lmao
@andrew8168 my dream match is Brock vs Darby or Brock vs Orange Cassidy. Oh I'll definitely tune in. Watch Brock Lesnar murder unidentified white man
I feel like Brock would be smart enough to avoid most of the locker room, much like he does at WWE.
Punk really should have been someone who wrestlers 10 or less appearances per year.
Truth!@@nicotoscani1707
I was at AEW All In. I can verify it was fantastic. Also watch the commentary back on TV...they deserve applause from me.
I am sure Perry knew not to antagonize Punk.Can you really see Perry antagonizing someone tough like Race, Mulligan, Rude, Orndorff or Lesnar ? He would be lucky the front face lock would be all he would get
With any of the wrestler you mentioned punk wouldn't be in any place to be locker room leader. Also it works the other way around if punk try to control any of them old tuff wrestler punk would of been a sleep faster than he can do the gts. Punk has no place trying to lead anything but a dog and tell other what they can and can't do. If Perry word's really did up set punk that much he's more of a child then I fault.
Not to them but he could do it to Hogan and keep his job😂😂😂😂😂
Both men were wrong. Punk should have spoken to Tony Khan about Jack's comments into the camera instead of flying off the handle.
@@chadhoganliveYou know that sounds like domestic abuse right?
@@TheOtakuKat if they're a couple yes. If they're not a couple, then it's called a fight.
Unless you know something about Punk and Perry the rest of us do not?
I honestly don't think Punk getting fired is going to hurt AEW long term. Since he came back from his suspension, he hadn't been in a very compelling storyline. Matches vs Samoa Joe are great but it wasn't getting me to watch anymore than I would have without Punk involved. His initial run up to winning the AEW title last year was great but then he sabotaged any momentum he had by acting like a child throwing a tantrum at the media scrum and in the locker room. While he isn't the only one to be at fault for the fight, he was the one who put Tony in the awful position at that media scrum.
Only man to beat Vince McMahon on Monday nights head to head for 83 weeks. Something Tony and AEW would never accomplish
😂😂😂 and look WHO BOUGHT THEM OUT. bragging about that and then being bought by Vince. it's gotta be damn embarrassing
@@arturoalmazan5262Eric cants say anything about Vince, but he can take Tony to task considering the fact that he was a bigger threat to WWE while working with less money.
@@drillosophy1012He was also handed a promotion that was already established for decades with already known stars and an endless pocket of teds money. Big difference than aew. And Eric still ran it out of business while never owning anything. Lmao.
@@arturoalmazan5262I mean Eric woulda bought them but they f’d over the tv deal (turner) so it didn’t happen. Not Eric’s fault. And WCW coulda been red hot still. It was gonna die at the hands of those time warner idiots.
And he should of absolutely destroyed them, he had everything in his favour and he failed because he's a fraud and let locker room bias dictate everything
Bischoff never disappoints with his reasoning. And he's damn funny when he starts cooking people.
Eric Is completely right..
AEW is not competition to WWE..
And just like Eric said, they may have sold 81k in Wembley this year, but they won't ever do that again based on their track record.
They haven't ever done a better rampage rating since their debut of 1.4 million. They are lucky to break 900k now a days at best and its been 4 years going on 5..
Collision draws what? 500k? If that..
It's like I said when AEW 1st came around. It'll be nothing more than a glorified indy promotion backed by a billion dollar Mark (Tony Khan), that'll only appeal to a small niche audience, that audience being the hardcore wrestling smarks, indy nerds, and dave meltzer fan boys..
Unless AEW becomes mainstream, it'll never even hold a candle within a mile radius of WWE. 🤷♂️
Aew is light years better than wwe in every way. Wwe has been unwatchable for a decade. Only brainwashed e fan girls think the horrible toddler wrestling they put on is worth anything
Which, honestly, is why Punk was actually that important to the gameplan there. He was a legit star, World Champion in the main company in town, and a legit draw (don't even try to argue that when they signed him they got people just tuning in to watch only Punk). So honestly AEW, and mainly their EVPs (which was an incredible misstep by TK to begin with), pretty much sabotaged any potential growth when they constantly kept feeding this backstage drama (because the EVPs wanted to politic their biggest draw out of the company, because they aren't "fwendz"), rather than making money and growing.
4 years in, and they can barely get over the 900k mark? If it was ran correctly they should be challenging Smackdown numbers by this time in. Just shows who/what they're trying to pander to, and it's not the casual fans. Mismanagement left, right, and center, and it still all falls on TK for all of it.
@pjludda4323 Well put. TK has failed to keep his backstage/locker rooms in line and was labeled toxic well before Punk ever showed up. When you have multiple Veterans like J.R., Jake Roberts and even Regal when he was there said much of these young guys can't take criticisms or even advice on how to be better performers ... it's a total joke. I'm not claiming Punk couldn't have handled himself better he absolutely could and should have. I do believe there was a plan by the Elite & friends to get rid of Punk day 1 of his arrival.
@@pjludda4323 punk was not a draw. Maybe in Chicago, but that's it
@chrisrosenberg4864 I disagree partly. The elite are jokes, but punk wasn't a draw, not to the magnitude it was hyped up to be. Going around trying to micromanage other talent and whine wasn't a great thing to do either.
Jack Perry is 26 years old. Despite what people seem to think, he is a grown man. Don't know if I'm alone here but I hate that people are trying to excuse his behavior based on his age. He's not some snot nosed 16 year old. He's a grown man.
Lets be real here. AEW doesn't need CM Punk. Theyll go on without skipping a beat. It only hurts Phil. I don't know what his issue is but hopefully he can look in the mirror and do some soul searching. Because the common denominator in all of these blowups is him.
CM punk getting fired from AEW is the greatest thing to happen in 2023
Good to hear Erics take on Nick Hausman who did Erics podcast before he started with Conrad
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I never thought Eric really cared for him. There was always some tension I noticed.
I Would Have Fired Jungle Nuts And Kept The Golden Goose CM Punk And Still Kept Making HUGE Money For AEW.
I’m pretty disappointed with all of this as I had just got into aew in late 2019 or early 2020. Punk is definitely my favorite, along with those like him, the guys who prefer to work the old tried and true style and tell a story with their matches, throw strikes that actually look like punches, etc. I tried to watch wwe last night and it’s just so irritating to me. The Seth Rollins thing, the over scripted long promos, the obvious sanitation of the whole program in general just irks me, it’s like Disney running a wrestling show. But dynamite is just as bad in that it’s a garbage fest. Collision was my absolute favorite for the short time it’s been on. I want to keep watching aew but if Saturday turns into dynamite because punk is gone, I can’t do it.
They are real punches
CM Punk doesn't have a good record in court. WWE broke his back and his friendship with Scott Colton. He doesn't have any friends left. Whose podcast is he going to go on? Cornette? Let's see how much Cornette likes Punk after he gets him sued into poverty like he did to Scott Colton.
What does Eric hate more… AEW or CM Punk? Lol
CM Punk...By a lot.
Both because TK has been a weak leader ever since and CM Punk ranting last year like a leader. ;(
Meltzer
Russo
Eric can always be realied on for providing realism and a realistic reality with AEW. Conrad is the biggest AEW fan boy and how he legitimately believes AEW is competitive with WWE is laughable....Thank you Eric
Punk screwed himself. Taking a swing at your boss is going to get you fired. Constantly having issues with multiple members of the AEW locker room, and then turning around and playing the victim, is going to get your ass fired. For someone who calls himself a locker room leader, to act like a spoiled man child, especially at his age, is an embarrassment. At this point in his career, he should know how to handle himself and act professional…but Punk clearly doesn’t. At the end of the day, TK did the right thing by removing the locker room cancer, and AEW will flourish with Punk gone. Besides, in the 2 years that he was a part of AEW, he was either suspended or injured for nearly half the time.
EVP's going after a talent didn't get them fired
@@TL2354They were suspended and had all their EVP powers taken away. They've also done nothing before or since
@@TL2354they were invited by punk himself to confront him.
Ericn is asked if there was comparable situation within WCW, similar to Punk vs. AEW. He quickly mentions his debacle over Roc Flair's contract, then goes off on some bitter tangent about hiw WCW was better than AEW. But, I digress.
Mr bischoff is the freaking man!
I have to say this is a first but eazy e was spot on with everything and everyone today especially with TK... maybe this will be a learning curve for TK . because of the needle ain't moving no wrestler needs evp power...