Alternate History of TURKEY if the OTTOMANS Didnt Join WW1 (1914-2023)
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- Опубліковано 1 кві 2023
- In this video we will how the history of Turkey could go in case the Ottoman Empire never joined ww1.
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anthem of turkey:
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US peacekeeping forces: ❌
US oilsearching forces: ✅
Boring and overused joke, if they were oilsearching they’d annex the land.
Best timeline in some case: No partition of Middle East, No Arab-Israeli wars, No extremists groups, No 9/11, No war of Terror. But bad for Armenia their country dissapeared.
9/11 is nothing compared to what your "peace-keeping" forces did to civilians in the middle-east, so the arabs sees it as a wonderful retaliation from an opressed civiliazation.
Despite everyone knowing that 9/11 was done by the US as a justification for declaring war.
And the terror position is already occupied by savages who exterminated entire continents (North and south America) and enslaved entire other continents, A.k.a It's obvious who the terrrorists are.
Actually, there is no Armenian genocide since the Ottomans aren't in WW1.
Wasn't there a Zionist Terrorist Group operating in Ottoman Palestine?
If 9/11 happens in other realities that happens here too
the genocide happened since the ottomans thought the armenians would help russia
2:50 typical americans taking the oil
"Peacekeeping forces"
bruh arpad didnt think id see you here
I like that you are now showing internal conflicts inside of the topic country instead of giving them plot armor
If the ottomans had an industrial revolution and political development maybe they would’ve had a chance and survived the war
when you thought everything was going fine for "the sick man of europe.... _sudden civil war_
but yea, i liked how the ottomans eventually adopt liberal policies and exponential growth throughout the 20th century. in a way, they fill the spot of saddam. gg dude, this was great
Beautiful! Thanks for doing that!
What If qing dinastia survived?
In inglese si scrive dinasty
*Dynasty*
@@Myprobable952Not everyone speaks English fluently, dinastia is a word of dynasty, if someone simply dosen't know how to spell a word in English you don't have to be a asshole about it
Great video love the lore
Nice vid bro
Always love a good LionHeart video!
cool video
I don't get why the ottomans would have to fall into a Civil War this late or why they wouldn't win it, given that they woykd be supported by the west, but still the video was great and its a better ending for turkey that OTL
cuz they prob wouldnt be supported by the west? wdym man? every other country wanted the ottomans to fail so they could get their lands. did u ever look at how the empire was planned to be shared? a slice of istanbul and anadolu thats it. and the ww2 times are over now. no human can put an entire race beneath them via force. u need political power or the races need to have a history together. example
georgians osetians
turks kurds
austrians germans
japanese koreans
azeris turks
british scotish
russian ukranian
they are the brother races. they have similar past similar blood thats why the stick together.
a race union is possible like in the end the turkish federation. but a muslim union is impossible.
Could you do a Serbian one, Hungarian, Greek, and possibly if Assyria became a thing after ww1 (choose the borders either from irl proposals or your own one)
He has made one for Greece Serbia would be great to see
very beautifully done . and by the way , where do you get these maps from Google ?
These maps aren't from google
1:21 Best part
If the Ottomans didn't join, they would have fallen to revolutions first by Iraqis in Najaf, Basra and Baghdad later Syrian Peasants in the Syrian plains and Lebanon finally the Hashmites in Hejaz
Luristan place was wrong because that is Ahwaz and Jordan wouldn't exist it will probably be Syrian or Palestinian
Actually, I think that if the ottomans hadn’t joined ww1 Russia wouldn’t have its civil war due to the straights being open and allied shipment being able to send guns and other weapons to bog down Germany
No saying the Ottomans continue to keep the straits open unfortunately, unpredictable factor considering the many factions of the Ottomans were pro-Central Powers
what editing software do you use? since the animation is really smooth
Filmora
@@lionheartmapping alr thanks
What if Mughal Empire survive
Cool
The Iraq movie is like an Italian flag
mighty interesting scenario but how do the arabs get the manpower, weapons and expertise to launch their own independent nations without being quickly snuf out by the ottomans?
Nice video, shame there wasn't an ethnic map in the end
What if Venice discovered America instead Spain?
there is no discovery there was already people what did u find empty place? wtf
@@kadircanyldran1849 discover isnt go first, is show something unkwon to certain people, that's the logic
@@junmisugi545 so u couldnt discover anything to natives and vikings.. its all about your mine unknowladge brains..People shouldnt destroy and fuck what they discover right?
Do a remastered alternate history of the us
Hejaz instead of saudi arabia is cursed 💀
Turkish flag shall never change, because the Turkish flag carries the symbol of independence and Turkishness
Although this history is illogical, it is good
Well, there are a lot of unrealistic things, but that's okay
Yes thanks for this video greetings from Turkiye!!! ❤️
Great ending
2:00: Average middle eastern war
great video and next nation russia
ottoman has sadam fusain as
general
Ottomans could have captured Crimea in 1918
Some notes-
Population of the Confederation: 142,000,000 [10th]
GDP: 4,402,000,000,000$ [4th]
GDP per Capita: 31,000$ [37th]
Assuming the civil war somehow didn't gut their pre-war population and economic power.
Selahattin Demirtaş as a prime minister ??????????????????
Pera aí o iraq é a bandeira da Itália invertida?
Great war slide
if the Ottomans had not gotten involved in the First World War, the Ottoman Empire could have survived and become one of the richest states thanks to oil
Brooo how did Selahattin Demirtaş become president?
Please do Korean Empire too. 😊
3:11 ZAZA??????????????
Was it really the good ending though?
Yes
Absolutely. No israel is already a massive plus. Same with the lack of extremist iranian government.
just becouse turks got rightful lands doesnt mean its bad. the ottomans didnt die as a sick man they died while with his family. armenians and turks have a lot of history together kurds and azeris too. thats why the union exists and the arab countries never went extreme. the only reason they ever turned out extreme was becouse they rejected the ottoman rule and with no ottoman support they were colonised and they went extreme. this is a balanced world where instead of the ottomans getting murdered they fulfilled their time and passed away and got replaced with nationalism. never try to murder a country it leads to decades of problems. every country must die and be replaced by its own.
So What Happened To Atatürk In This Alternative Universe?
THE EVIL SULTANATE EXECUTES HIM AFTER FINDING OUT ABOUT HIS GOALS TO MAKE TURKEY A NON DICTATORSHIP SECULAR STATE😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲☪☪☪☪☪☪☪
Probably remained his position being a commander or some type of goverment worker like who looks over what happens inside the country or outside
However he wouldnt be famous a lot i think cuz he was recognized in ww1 and war of independence so yeah
still tho in the end ottomans died and turkish nationalism took over which prob atatürk was very important for the new rule
he would make movies in hollowytd
I did that video 1 day before you in my channel :D
When did the genocides happen in this timeline? The young Turks?
There are no genocides dumb bitch
@@Goofyahhgamer. there would be no genocide because they couldn't blame it on the Russian
It wouldnt make sense to genocide happen, as ottomans didnt entered w1
@@ars8223 No it can still happen, mainly on the idea of ''Turkish Monoethnic state'' which they had. Still i have no proof to back these claims because there was no ethnic map at the end of the video.
Hey,at least no Israel!
Very interesting concept, though I struggle to believe a few things:
1. The Ottomans would likely not be successful in their invasion of White Russia- Denikin's southern offensive would've leapt into action at that time, and considering the mild success that the Moscow had over the Soviets, the ottomans would stand little to no chance at an offensive over the Caucasus.
2. The Zionist movement, however weakened by the lack of government support, would still expand. Under the Ottomans, the Zionist movement has risen as the primary Jewish movement, outshining Bundism. It would grow exponentially, especially after World War 2. The region would however, likely still remain under a Muslim majority, though a significant Jewish minority. A flipped version of the current situation, if you will.
3. Decolonialization. With few exceptions, it is likely that without any "Iron Fisting", the ottomans would be forced to give up _some_ authority to their minorities during the cold war. Autonomy to some, independence to others, you get the jist.
This is _not_ a criticism, just a few points for thought. I like this video nonetheless. I especially compliment your animation, which is phenomenal.
Then why did Denmin's southern offensive not stop the Ottomans in our original timeline? I struggle to see how a battered white army (due to fighting a world war for 5 years) can stand up to a fresh and numerically advanced Ottoman army. Especially when the Ottomans do not have to worry about any other fronts, unlike the whites, who were being attacked from all sides.
If you look at the latest Ottoman census on Palestine, it becomes evident that jews were overwhelmingly outnumbered by Arabs. Contrary to popular belief, jewish mass-migration did not start during Ottoman era. It started after. Very few jews actually migrated to Palestine before the Ottoman collapse, and this is evidenced by the census. Now, coming back to this alt history scenario, it seems unlikely that the Ottomans would accept mass jewish migration towards Palestine. Why would they? They had refused jewish requests to annex Palestine before, and Palestine was considered an important place for the muslims of the empire. It's doubtful the Ottomans would have allowed a significant ethnic change in favor of the jews. The jews would have to settle somewhere else, probably Kenya or Madagascar or the Jewish Oblast.
For your last point, iron fisting would definitely happen. The Ottomans would pursue a policy of trying to unite the empire through democratic/islamist means, while also cracking down on any nationalist sentiment. This is what the current Turkey is doing to Kurds. Kurds are allowed to vote, allowed to become governors, mayors, MPs etc, but if any of them start supporting separatist movements, they will be iron fisted. Theres nothing contradictory about that, and if the ottomans wish to survive it is what they have to do.
I am Palestinian-Syrian Arab and i dont know how i feel about this, I mean its not good but its much better than our world since no I*rael, Syria is more stable i guess and there is less war so one one hand its better for the levant and Iraq but on the other hand gulf states would never be rich because of constant war so we would never have Cities like Dubai, Abudhabi, Doha and Saudi in this timeline or I guess ''Hejaz'' would be a poor unstable country unlike in this time line with the Saudi Arabia who are rich, stable and also in this timeline its easier for Muslims to do Hajj since Mecca is in safe hands under the Saudis (Like them or not they did a great job in perserving the holy cities of Mecca and Medina) while in this timeline it would be much harder to go to either mecca or Medina plus these cities would be in a poor backwater country so I really dont know how to feel about this, I guess its slightly better but not great.
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Very unrealistic as The Ottoman Empire would probably go to absolute monarchy or the Rashidun system of the best islamic scholars voting for the most competent leader and would probably become more islamistic, the only reason turkey today is largely secularised is because of Ataturk but he never gained power here.
i disagree.
what ever path the Ottomans would take they would still try to reform and revolutionize their judicial and political systems.
we were trying that sinds 1839 but sadly Abdulhamid II revoked and turned the reforms back which ended in his own demise.
Atatürk yes played a massive role in secularisation but you’re forgetting that Atatürk was not the only one with these ideals like shown in the video Ismet Inönü was also a huge forestander of Secularisation as it offers a more equal law amongst each religious group
@c2rpse.198
Passing reforms is fine until you try to take away key religious freedoms like atatürk did with his copy-pasted concept of laicité. Banning scarfed women from schools and politics is a good way to get the more religious folk to revolt against you. This applies especially in the Ottoman empire. If the Ottomans decide to ditch the caliph, ban headscarves, close mosques and arrest imams under the guise of "secularism" (more like, laicité), they will never EVER keep the empire united.
The ottoman empire needed military, bureaucratic and educational reforms yes. They also needed to industrialize. What they didn't need was to crack down on religion and force everyone to wear western attire.
ye deffff bro every middle eastern country going absolute or extreme. the turan/turk nationalism idea existed for very long and with the loss in the russian war it was gone. if the russian war was a victory(like here) the nationalism and turan would remain, which in the end would mean we would go the path we took irl, we would try reforms with the turan ideas which prob angered the arabs and when the revolt happened and they won it the turks would unite and make it come true. And how do you know atatürk didnt gain power? he was the MAIN turk nationalist. his ideas would be shining bright with the victory. the new turkey would be based on his ideas. so basically
russian war won = turkish nationalism
turkish nationalism = arab revolt
arab revolt = oppurtunity to get rid of the old ottoman system and create a turkey based on turan.
getting rid of the ottoman system = no ottoman nationalism, no extremist beliefs, fair justice system, reformed laws.
so basically the same thing but this turkey wouldnt go back to the ottoman times like irl
Return the Ottoman glory
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I wish you would give the north of syria to turkiye back :(
Well no because Aleppo is an Arab city not Turkish also the Areas around it is Arab not Turkish there are even more Kurds in the Area than Turks so no, ''Turkiye'' absolutely shouldn't have northern Syria since its majority Arab and part Kurdish not Turkish even the few Turkmen have little to no relation to the Turks in ''Turkiye'
@@hishamalaker491ever heard of misali milli?
It was proposed during independence wars
Aiming to claim all turkish areas that included aleppo and mosul
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