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  • The Pokémon company has now decided to essentially erase the term starter Pokémon and replace it with the term first partner Pokémon. A lot of Pokémon fans don't like this change at all because starter Pokémon is such an iconic term for many fans.
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  • @dejinnthedjinn5311
    @dejinnthedjinn5311 Місяць тому +870

    This is a Twitter vs X situation. I don't care what Pokemon Company says, I'm calling them Starter Pokemon.

    • @Wildcatt1999
      @Wildcatt1999 Місяць тому +35

      You took the words right out of mouth.

    • @inktirrell5016
      @inktirrell5016 Місяць тому +8

      Exactly. 😑

    • @jeremiahgreen5632
      @jeremiahgreen5632 Місяць тому +17

      Literally the exact same thing. Only a real idiot calls it "first partner Pokemon"

    • @TheShadow1347
      @TheShadow1347 Місяць тому +14

      same here, First Partner Pokemon sounds cringe in comparison to Starter Pokemon

    • @alexanderkane7586
      @alexanderkane7586 Місяць тому

      I agree I'll still call the trio per region Starter Pokemon. I do think TheRogueRenegade has a point in keeping the term "First Partner Pokemon" around.

  • @_StarlightRose_
    @_StarlightRose_ Місяць тому +536

    I don't care what the pokemon company says. I am not calling them first partner pokemon.

    • @_StarlightRose_
      @_StarlightRose_ Місяць тому +24

      As for the justification of the term? Its probably a direct translation from japanese but I don't know

    • @9timepokechamp
      @9timepokechamp Місяць тому +7

      I'll agree to that 👍 👌

    • @eglol
      @eglol Місяць тому +13

      It's just... a mouthful. Why would I say that bruh

    • @TheShadow1347
      @TheShadow1347 Місяць тому +3

      Same

    • @childeofepickness
      @childeofepickness 29 днів тому +6

      it’s giving the same vibes as “I don’t care WHO the IRS sends, I am NOT PAYING MY TAXES!!!”

  • @langdonledwig3734
    @langdonledwig3734 Місяць тому +420

    No one is going to call them that over starter pokemon

  • @harold5337
    @harold5337 Місяць тому +119

    Marge: “Grampa, they aren’t called that anymore”
    Grampa: “I’ll be in the cold,cold ground before I recognise the term First Partner Pokemon”

  • @patrickthehenchman2679
    @patrickthehenchman2679 Місяць тому +118

    To quote MCU Samuel L Jackson; "I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision, I have elected to ignore it"
    For real, this isn't like the pronunciations of Pokemon names that people argue over despite the official pronunciations, LITERALLY NO ONE actively calls them "First Partners" as a collective term over "Starters"

    • @dansattah
      @dansattah Місяць тому +6

      "Get these (...) "first partner Pókemon" of this (...) plane!"

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 29 днів тому +2

      Speaking of pronunciations, horizons opted to say the 4kids dub of Rayquaza rather than the universally accepted one.
      It’s with the quah, not quay.

  • @Sebastian62608
    @Sebastian62608 Місяць тому +154

    "Oh boy I can't wait to pick up my first Partner Pokemon! After that I might try to catch my second Partner Pokemon."

  • @TheLastSpider-Man
    @TheLastSpider-Man Місяць тому +271

    I think the only reason the Pokemon Company chose to call them First Partners instead of Starters is because they have a bad habit of rejecting anything the fanbase comes up with

    • @justinarney3050
      @justinarney3050 Місяць тому +46

      Shiny is a fan made term since they originally used to call them "Pokemon of a different color"

    • @martytriesstuff8704
      @martytriesstuff8704 Місяць тому +19

      @@justinarney3050 there's also "chromatic Pokémon" that was used officially a few times I believe, the TCG also has its own terms for shinies 🤔

    • @eclipsesoluna3453
      @eclipsesoluna3453 Місяць тому +21

      shiny and eeveelutions have long since been official terminology after fans came up with it
      its just damn near everything else they reject

    • @charnalk5572
      @charnalk5572 Місяць тому +22

      Probably just a Japanese thing, since pokemon is a Japanese thing.
      Like, they always used terminology like "Partner" or "The one one that was picked first".
      English terminology isn't their priority, another case are "pseudo legendary". They're only called "600 Club" in japanese and the official term for them, while recent, describes how they're designed in a playthrough "late bloomers".

    • @shadowslime3640
      @shadowslime3640 Місяць тому +6

      Did you forget about pseudo legendary, shiny, and eeveelution?

  • @littenguy
    @littenguy Місяць тому +235

    I’m still call them starter pokemon

  • @DaMrWiz
    @DaMrWiz Місяць тому +100

    Remember, in the Indigo Disk trailer they said "every first partner Pokémon returns" but they didn't bring back Wooloo, so not even Gamefreak plays by the rules

    • @Elijah.04
      @Elijah.04 Місяць тому +10

      Rules for thee but not for me

    • @CraftingGummi
      @CraftingGummi Місяць тому +13

      "First partner" where's poipole, huh????

  • @goldlight1322
    @goldlight1322 Місяць тому +76

    I saw a book at my local library today called “First Partner Pokémon” with various Starters on the cover. I didn’t think anything of it, but I also didn’t realize this was a thing they were pushing.

  • @Mystic_Warriors
    @Mystic_Warriors Місяць тому +127

    “First partner” my ass, that’s a starter

    • @EspyLexieVTuberofficial
      @EspyLexieVTuberofficial Місяць тому +7

      😂😂😂😂

    • @Connowot387
      @Connowot387 Місяць тому +10

      Poliwag is a “first partner”, if you think about it(Red from Adventures Manga). *Bulbasaur* is a starter.

    • @justajoshy
      @justajoshy Місяць тому +5

      I thought that while watching the video, then I read the comments and I laughed so hard 😂😂

  • @justinn8541
    @justinn8541 Місяць тому +96

    First Starter Pokemon is too much of a mouth full.

    • @legobrick1356
      @legobrick1356 Місяць тому +6

      Exactly! "Starter" rolls off the tongue much easier. Calling them "First Partner" now is just the equivalent of a college student changing "don't" to "do not" for the sake of a higher word count.
      Just like my sister who was working with the university we go to and was told to call them "Residence Halls" instead of "Dorms." Like _hello?_ They really expect me to believe they wanna go through an extra 3 syllables just to say the same fucking thing? As if it's _easier?_

    • @TheHoliestCow
      @TheHoliestCow Місяць тому +1

      Not starter partner

    • @charnalk5572
      @charnalk5572 Місяць тому +2

      @@legobrick1356 Yeah that's what Bilba/TPC are saying.
      First Partner is the formal, descriptive terminology.
      Starter is the informal one, since it does need some context but is pretty easy to use.

    • @_qwerty_3545
      @_qwerty_3545 27 днів тому

      Tbh atp literally just say First Pokémon, you don’t need the partner in there

  • @EspyLexieVTuberofficial
    @EspyLexieVTuberofficial Місяць тому +90

    Anything can be a first partner/Starter pokemon if the definition of it is "the very first pokemon you ever receive"

    • @charnalk5572
      @charnalk5572 Місяць тому +11

      That was always pretty much the definition.
      People were always calling Pikachu and Eevee starters because of that, same for Espeon and Umbreon.

    • @morphstarchangeling8024
      @morphstarchangeling8024 Місяць тому +4

      By the definition, that would be every single Player character's in game pet pokemon we see starting in gen 6.

    • @Derekthewolfbruh
      @Derekthewolfbruh 29 днів тому +3

      so if someone has lugia as their first partner it would be a first partner pokemon i guess

    • @skell6134
      @skell6134 27 днів тому

      @@morphstarchangeling8024 Thats what they call First Partnet pokemons,ye

    • @g.n.a4871
      @g.n.a4871 26 днів тому

      Using an action replay my starter pokemon is groundon

  • @PokemonNom
    @PokemonNom Місяць тому +52

    You never heard N say “first partner Pokémon” SO IT DIDNT HAPPEN

  • @Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933
    @Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933 Місяць тому +38

    'First Partner' sounds like we're being talked down to by The Pokemon Company, 'Starter Pokemon' is snappy & to the point. They take it away from us, but we're still going to call them Starters.

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 29 днів тому +2

      That’s democracy. We will call them starters forever.

    • @blockeontheleafeon
      @blockeontheleafeon 27 днів тому +1

      Watch them swap the term "Shiny" for the term "Alternate colored" while we aren't looking. At that point we'd just move on from this Franchise. But does GAMEFREAK care? Of course not.

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 27 днів тому +2

      @@blockeontheleafeon they tried alternate colored before. It never stuck. Same goes for first partner. It will never stick.

    • @blockeontheleafeon
      @blockeontheleafeon 27 днів тому +1

      @@manoftruth0935 That's good news.

    • @DazzlingDayCee
      @DazzlingDayCee 16 днів тому +2

      Well, to be real- GameFreak and Pokémon Company are very much known to literally talk down to us and treat us like morons. Remember when they didn't distribute the Azure Flute back in Gen 4 because it apparently would be "too complicated for the fans to figure out how to use it and where"?

  • @MatameVideos
    @MatameVideos Місяць тому +29

    Actually a rectangle can be a square, rectangle means a polygon with four sides and four 90° corners. A square is a specific type of rectangle

    • @TheRogueRenegade
      @TheRogueRenegade  Місяць тому +8

      I'm not good at geometry

    • @zomorion9183
      @zomorion9183 Місяць тому +4

      @@TheRogueRenegade At least I won't blame you.

    • @foxpokemonforever4775
      @foxpokemonforever4775 Місяць тому +3

      That’s why on the rare situation I use this comparison, I tend to say “All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares”

    • @_qwerty_3545
      @_qwerty_3545 27 днів тому

      Yeah but to be a rectangle specifically don’t all the sides need to not be equal? Otherwise it’s not a rectangle it’s just a square?

  • @mreggy08
    @mreggy08 Місяць тому +60

    I’d argue pikachu and eevee should be considered starters because they are the first Pokémon you can choose in a mainline game

    • @toast2110
      @toast2110 Місяць тому +11

      Hot take: let’s go pikachu and eevee are criminally underrated.

    • @lukehancock91
      @lukehancock91 Місяць тому +4

      Facts, great remakes

    • @jeremiahgreen5632
      @jeremiahgreen5632 Місяць тому +11

      ​@@toast2110They're great remakes (aside from the catching gimmick) it's just... No one wanted another Kanto game.

    • @EmeralBookwise
      @EmeralBookwise Місяць тому +7

      I would maybe be fine with the distinction of "Starter Pokémon" being expanded to include any Pokémon the player receives first in a game, with a more specific category of "Starter Trio" referring only to the typical Grass/Fire/Water core.

  • @MrSonicHedgehog
    @MrSonicHedgehog Місяць тому +10

    Point of order on Eevee not being a Starter: it was one for Gary in Yellow, both Espeon and Umbreon technically count for Colosseum, you start off with one in Gale of Darkness, you can play as one in Mystery Dungeon and in LGE, it's literally the Starter of the game

  • @chillycatman8801
    @chillycatman8801 Місяць тому +11

    It legit does not make sense to call a "STARTER POKEMON" a "First partner pokemon" like why the hell do we gotta say 3 whole words to call our first pokemon, no matter what the pokemon company ain't going to do shit to us, we'll continue calling our first pokemon "Starters" as it's the best way to call them, and if they try to ban, blacklist or do anything to stop us from calling these pokemon starters as that would just make them lose money, and money is all they really care about so why make a choice that ruins all chances of getting money

  • @TylenOneal239
    @TylenOneal239 29 днів тому +5

    This is the reason why teachers tell you in school never to use Wikipedia or a variation of it

  • @Garagelab164
    @Garagelab164 Місяць тому +12

    Nobody could change my mind about calling them starter Pokémon.

  • @Crush_The_Cranium
    @Crush_The_Cranium Місяць тому +15

    Them enforcing the term first partner pokemon is like roblox enforcing r-thro

  • @kaotic300
    @kaotic300 29 днів тому +8

    starter: the first pokemon you get in a pokemon game
    first partner pokemon: the very first pokemon you got in your very first pokemon game

    • @a-s-greig
      @a-s-greig 28 днів тому +2

      For me, that was a Bulbasaur on a friend's FireRed.

    • @blockeontheleafeon
      @blockeontheleafeon 27 днів тому +2

      By that logic, this change doesn't make sense. Since I played more than one Pokémon Game after Platinum.

    • @kaotic300
      @kaotic300 27 днів тому +1

      @@blockeontheleafeon it highlights that the change needlessly complicates things and doesn't make sense.
      if i was playing scarlet and the Pokemon Company just happened to jump out of some tall grass and ask me "what was your first partner pokemon?" my answer would be "that charmander i picked in red version all those years ago" at which point they would have a surprised pikachu look on their face.
      if they had instead simply asked "what starter did you pick?" my answer would be "fuecoco"

    • @blockeontheleafeon
      @blockeontheleafeon 27 днів тому +2

      @@kaotic300 Exactly.
      I played Platinum, Black, Moon, Ultra Moon, Shield and Violet.
      You can see the problem here, right? I don't think any of us accounted for Remakes when you first called attention to "First Partner Pokémon" being used this way. It would be jarring if people forgot that you already played through Alola like this was some Groundhog Day loop that only you remembered the events of.

    • @kaotic300
      @kaotic300 27 днів тому +1

      @@blockeontheleafeon i think so...
      by saying "first partner pokemon", the "first" implies that you've never had one before and assumes that you've never been to any previous regions.
      my pokemon journey so far has been: red, yellow, silver, ruby, fire red, emerald, pearl, platinum, black, black 2, x, omega ruby, red on vc, silver on vc, moon, ultra moon, let's go pikachu, sword and scarlet... i've been through countless groundhog day loops and had many starters, but my original "first partner" is long dead thanks to the incompatibility between gen 2 and 3, combined with the old cartridges having a battery life

  • @KingOfSciliy
    @KingOfSciliy Місяць тому +11

    First partner pokemon = first pokemon
    Was the word "partner" even needed?

    • @nedrostram2360
      @nedrostram2360 28 днів тому

      Yes, to illustrate the bond between trainer and Pokémon. A partner Pokémon is a Pokémon caught by a Trainer.

    • @GrandCorsair
      @GrandCorsair 27 днів тому

      Your not really catching it you're given it or you literally can't do anything.

    • @nedrostram2360
      @nedrostram2360 27 днів тому

      @@GrandCorsair Caught in Pokémon also refers to gifts, trading, and breeding.

    • @skell6134
      @skell6134 27 днів тому

      @@nedrostram2360 To be fair usually people get attached to their Starter regardless really

  • @Jahy-Chan
    @Jahy-Chan 29 днів тому +6

    First starter pokemon mudkip.
    First partner pokemon gardevoir.
    Get it right.

  • @andreblueboy6019
    @andreblueboy6019 Місяць тому +10

    4:40 honestly thank you for this explanation! This made so much more sense to me after you explained that even with torchic being the starter while eevee isn’t, I was confused a bit, but thanks to your explanation it makes much more sense now! Great video by the way! ^^

    • @TheRogueRenegade
      @TheRogueRenegade  Місяць тому

      I did my best to explain it but my brain melted halfway through

  • @AlexsaurusRex
    @AlexsaurusRex 29 днів тому +5

    The newer generations of kids will grow up hearing "first partner" Pokemon and will adopt the phrase.

    • @a-s-greig
      @a-s-greig 28 днів тому

      It's a battle for the future. And we already lost.

    • @fatefinger
      @fatefinger 27 днів тому +1

      Most people that play Pokémon are older than people that play call of duty.
      I remember going to the Pokémon violet midnight release. There was no one there under 20 years old. I understand it was midnight release but one has to understand that Children are children and would be more hyped.

    • @AlexsaurusRex
      @AlexsaurusRex 27 днів тому +2

      @@fatefinger which is why I don't understand Nintendo and game freak's insistence on making Pokemon Uber childish. They don't know their fans

    • @fatefinger
      @fatefinger 26 днів тому +1

      @@AlexsaurusRex perceived target audience.

  • @Even_littlerB
    @Even_littlerB 29 днів тому +3

    Not me thinking they just weren’t doing starters any more

  • @Lost_In_Neverwhere
    @Lost_In_Neverwhere Місяць тому +7

    Dude, I'm calling them starter pokemon since Pokémon Red, no way I'm changing that now, lol.

  • @early4thegameNOW
    @early4thegameNOW Місяць тому +39

    Hot take: the "cute cool serious' thing for starters is a myth.
    If fennekin is cute and froakie is cool, that makes chespin serious.
    All johto starters are cute and happy.
    It just doesnt fit.

    • @bomoose
      @bomoose Місяць тому +5

      only one johto starter is cute and happy(chickorita) the others are evil

    • @early4thegameNOW
      @early4thegameNOW Місяць тому +3

      @@bomoose how exactly are they evil? What did Cyndaquil do?

    • @Serperior1212
      @Serperior1212 Місяць тому

      @@early4thegameNOW typhlosion

    • @SantosOverlord
      @SantosOverlord Місяць тому +4

      @@early4thegameNOW he murdered my family that dammed Hedgehog... i miss my wife....

    • @Blanktester685
      @Blanktester685 29 днів тому

      chikorita and totodile arent cute...

  • @ToastyToast25
    @ToastyToast25 Місяць тому +3

    I can't wait to get all 1025 first partner pokemon!

  • @jonkutchenriter
    @jonkutchenriter Місяць тому +12

    I will still call them starter Pokémon

  • @coopershea2181
    @coopershea2181 29 днів тому +2

    A rectangle is "4 equal angles and 2 opposite equal sides(I don't know if I explained that well)" so a rectangle can not be a square.

  • @spugnoxngubcux9801
    @spugnoxngubcux9801 29 днів тому +3

    I acknowledge that Pokémon Company has made a decision. But given that it's a stupid decision, I've elected to ignore it.

  • @Penroseapostle
    @Penroseapostle Місяць тому +4

    I refuse to use that new term
    Solely because Starter Pokemon sounds far cooler

  • @castform7618
    @castform7618 Місяць тому +9

    The Pokemon Company and anyone who unironically "Um AcKtuLlY"s me can screw right off. I'm not calling the specific Grass Water Fire trio at the beginning of the game First Partner Pokemon. Hell I'm not calling regular Pokemon that. Why can't we just say Partner Pokemon. I feel like that term implies the first Pokemon you got. First Partner is just too much.

  • @oddsually
    @oddsually Місяць тому +6

    Ain't no way im calling my starter pokemon a goddamn first partner pokemon, it sounds so weird 💀💀💀

  • @Thebest66imgflip
    @Thebest66imgflip Місяць тому +14

    Why did they change the name, it was a good name

    • @kingshocker4754
      @kingshocker4754 28 днів тому

      Because they’re Nintendo. They make terrible decisions all the time

    • @FlyGli1
      @FlyGli1 24 дні тому

      I read on the same bulbapedia site that was referenced in this video that the term "Starter Pokemon" implied that the player was gonna get rid of them later in the game. I cannot confirm that this is accurate.

  • @mattwo7
    @mattwo7 29 днів тому +2

    4:43 I get what you mean but the wording could use some work. You see, a rectangle _can_ be a square if it is a square because a square is a rectangle.
    The words you're looking for are "all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares"

  • @elemomnialpha
    @elemomnialpha Місяць тому +4

    I only ever use "First partner Pokemon" when I need to make a distinction between a specific set and the others in the complete group
    Like when speculating about Z-A

  • @thomastheunlimited
    @thomastheunlimited Місяць тому +4

    Might as well call Pokémon "Partner Animal" while they are at it.

  • @insertnamehere1398
    @insertnamehere1398 Місяць тому +8

    Does Pokémon co. Think people PREFER THIS TERM?!?? they’re so glad they’re in japan and can’t hear everyone hating this

    • @melbapeach162
      @melbapeach162 Місяць тому

      Wonder what the Japanese fans call them actually

  • @AzulioSwoop
    @AzulioSwoop 29 днів тому +2

    BABE, WAKE UP, NEW ROGUE RENEGADE UPLOAD

  • @JacobMead-ph1cx
    @JacobMead-ph1cx 29 днів тому +2

    It’s like twitter calling itself X, LIKE BRO NO ONE IS CALLING YOU X

  • @michaelbumbury464
    @michaelbumbury464 Місяць тому +2

    4:49 It reminded me of when the indigo disc decided to put all the starter pokemon in the game, home to a specific biome.

  • @what-un4yq
    @what-un4yq Місяць тому +2

    And plus, starter Pokemon's better linguistically than first partner Pokemon. What a mouthful of words. And it also works philosophically with it being the Pokemon that starts your journey. It being the bear tools, the bedrock where it all started.

  • @XCOM640
    @XCOM640 Місяць тому +1

    Just imagine saying to your friend hey what’s your first partner Pokémon? It does not sound right

  • @morphstarchangeling8024
    @morphstarchangeling8024 Місяць тому +2

    For me starter pokemon depends on the game and are ALWAYS given to you by a professor or someone of similar status. Professor Oak in kanto, Bianca in black and white 2 who is an assistant for Professor Juniper, and Clavel in Paldea who is the director of the school you go to in Scarlet and Violet. For example: Eevee is a starter pokemon, but only in pokemon Let's go Eevee.
    First partner pokemon wouldn't even be the starters by the term because every player character since gen 6 has a pet, which would be their first partner pokemon.

  • @sirnight6438
    @sirnight6438 Місяць тому +2

    I actually heard about this a while back but apparently first parter Pokémon is what the starters were originally called the name starter came up a few years later

  • @celestialwish1478
    @celestialwish1478 29 днів тому +2

    I've only ever used the term "First Partner Pokemon" to refer to my first starter(s), ever. I can't remember if I played XD Gale of Darkness or Pokemon Emerald first, but I often consider Treecko, Eevee, and Spheal to be my "First Partner Pokemon". Eevee Because you start with it in XD, Treecko because it was my choice in Emerald, and Spheal because it was my first Shadow Pokemon that fought alongside Eevee in my XD run.
    Eevee, Walrein, and Grovyle are still some of my favorites to this day. (I never evolved my Grovyle b/c I thought Sceptile was ugly as a kid. I was so excited to get Treecko in Explorers and at first I thought Grovyle was always the second stage of your own Pokemon until my second playthrough where I realized Grovyle is ALWAYS Grovyle and got really excited, lol. )
    So, yeah. I am definitely not referring to all starter Pokemon as my "First Partner Pokemon." That's only true for my firsts, and for other people's firsts. "Starters" will always be a term especially because of the anime. Ash gets his hand on starters every region he goes to, Pikachu is his first partner Pokemon, and if they want to market with the anime, they should use the applicable terms.
    As much as I love mons like Rowlet and Sprigatito, they'll never be my "First Partner Pokemon".

  • @300kyuubi
    @300kyuubi Місяць тому +8

    Nah, they will always be starter Pokemon

  • @innit778
    @innit778 Місяць тому +2

    The term “First Partner Pokemon” can refer to you starting your Pokémon journey with a Giratina. I think this ruins the whole thing for what a starter Pokemon is and confuses people like myself more than anything.

  • @abscinding
    @abscinding Місяць тому +19

    The real question is why does anybody care enough about this to be mad lmao.

  • @dimetrodon2250
    @dimetrodon2250 29 днів тому +2

    We willed the fan terms "shiny" and "eeveelution" into official canon, so why are GameFreak/TPC so stubborn on making "Starter" an official term?

  • @RobbieBubbaMan
    @RobbieBubbaMan Місяць тому +4

    Pov: Molly Hale's First Pokemon

  • @Codm22712
    @Codm22712 Місяць тому +10

    Aa he’s back the goat is back finally

  • @Splatrakilla31
    @Splatrakilla31 Місяць тому +14

    4:23 thank you for the profile picture once again

    • @TheRogueRenegade
      @TheRogueRenegade  Місяць тому +4

      You are very welcome

    • @Splatrakilla31
      @Splatrakilla31 Місяць тому +4

      @@TheRogueRenegadeI will turn my old one (which I also got from this channel) into a tf2 spray

  • @Beegirl12345
    @Beegirl12345 Місяць тому +4

    I know what the Pokémon company is doing because they really are first partners, although they also are the ones we start with, everyone is right on this

  • @Ghastlerofficial
    @Ghastlerofficial Місяць тому +6

    Love your stuff! Keep it up man

  • @catninja9896
    @catninja9896 Місяць тому +2

    I'm confused hardly ever heard the starters called as first partner pokemon

  • @AstroBros1991
    @AstroBros1991 Місяць тому +2

    Very nice to meet you Mr.Renegade. I love your content! I plan on watching all of your Pokémon Headcannon videos! 🤩

    • @TheRogueRenegade
      @TheRogueRenegade  Місяць тому +1

      Yes thank you go watch them there will be another one soon

  • @Hewer86
    @Hewer86 28 днів тому +2

    I'm dreading the outrage if Bulbapedia ever starts using the official name of EVs ("base points", not to confused with base stats those are called "species strengths")

  • @Cumrel
    @Cumrel 29 днів тому +2

    I love this fandom
    "Ummm, u know, its first partner pokemon..."
    "Nu-uh, you wrong."

    • @fatefinger
      @fatefinger 27 днів тому

      The Pokémon fandom is full of toxic and unpleaseable people. You learn to ignore them after a while. Either that or tell them how stupid they are.
      I’m a first generation veteran. I’m old enough that I had a deal with genwunners.

  • @Xero_Degrees_Kelvin
    @Xero_Degrees_Kelvin Місяць тому +6

    Don't quote me on this, but I think it has to do with the translations issues. While in English they're known as Starter pokemon in Japanese they're known was first partner pokemon.

    • @TheRogueRenegade
      @TheRogueRenegade  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the reason too 9:35

    • @Douglas628
      @Douglas628 Місяць тому

      That's pretty much it, it's also the same case for shiny. In japanese they're called "irochigai" which means "different-colored". I believe some games even referred to them as such, but they sorta stopped using that and adopted the fan term.
      The japanese term might have originated from fans too, cause I've seen old material that refer to them as pokémon with a "special coloration", but it could just translation issues.

  • @zephon6745
    @zephon6745 Місяць тому +2

    First parter pokemon sounds like the first pokemon that you used in the entire pokemon series.

  • @Arcanine1995
    @Arcanine1995 Місяць тому +4

    omg it's like how Arceus used to be ArCeus not ArKeyus and then all of a sudden people switched it

    • @Connowot387
      @Connowot387 Місяць тому

      I pronounce it ArZEUS.

    • @typemasters2871
      @typemasters2871 Місяць тому +2

      Well ARC-e-us has Ark in the pronunciation, referring to the Ark of the covenant from religion

  • @MattZRJSRoxy
    @MattZRJSRoxy 29 днів тому +2

    I can't fault Bulbapedia since they were just reflecting official terminology granted I'll always be using Starter Pokémon for the terminology and they actually updated the article to say that Starters are an informal term granted it was an official term at one point sadly that went bye bye as of Gen 6.

  • @brandonlam3756
    @brandonlam3756 Місяць тому +4

    I think it would’ve been better to just call it Beginner Pokemon. It’s the same as Starter Pokemon but not as confusing and long as First-Partner Pokemon

  • @Cocaine420_
    @Cocaine420_ 29 днів тому +2

    This is basically what they've always been officially called in German. Everybody still calls them Starter Pokémon anyway. Same with shinys (officially called "schillernde Pokémon", but everyone just calls them shiny).
    Btw, I think that list of random Pokémon probably comes mostly from spin-offs like Mystery Dungeon.

  • @MarcusMapua
    @MarcusMapua 29 днів тому +2

    It's also interesting with this context as in Generations 1-6 (plus Legends) we receive our Starter Pokemon from the region's Pokemon Professor. However in Generations 7-9, we no longer get our Starter Pokemon from the professors anymore. Generation 7 we get our Alolan Starters from Hala the Island King Kahuna (not counting USUM as people say to count that as a remake (like Platinum & etc.) that follows the same plot as SM), Generation 8 we get our Galar Starters from Leon, & Generation 9 we get our Paldean Starters from Principal Director Clavell

  • @cinnasauria
    @cinnasauria 28 днів тому +2

    They're really not changing anything, though. Starter was always more of a colloquial term and TPC has called them your first partner even in-game for almost a decade now. I know it seems strange because they've officially acknowledged and canonized other popular fanon terms like Shiny, but this has nothing to do with what we're supposed to call them. It's entirely about official communication and the brand's own clarity of messaging. Bulbapedia only formalized the title change after a lot of back-and-forth discussion, which you can still see on the talk page for first partner Pokemon. (And yeah, substituting terminology without adjusting more of the actual article did introduce some logical weirdness.)
    Bonding with a partner Pokemon is a core theme of the series and its marketing, and that's the role the starters are designed to reflect in the story. They are inviting you to be the Ash to their Pikachu. Not every starter trio was actually intended by the professor to be handed out to new trainers, sometimes it's just a locally rare Pokemon you're entrusted with because it likes you. Lore-wise, Starter is not a meaningfully separate category, that's purely meta. Circumstance and regional customs vary. Pokemon is an RPG series, so the branding tries to acknowledge the player as part of the world.
    Even in terms of gameplay, I actually think it makes sense to avoid connotations that could potentially mislead newer, younger players. The word "starter" in general often implies that you'll need to upgrade or replace something later on, but this is not true of starter Pokemon. They're actually some of the strongest, even competitively. They're designed to be reliable through the whole game. Their strength reflects the player's progress. Again, this is all just what the company wants to communicate about their brand, and they want to emphasize the roleplaying perspective.
    We don't all care to engage with the narrative that way, we just use the mons we wanna use, and we might have our own ideas about the character we're playing. That's all fine and none of it contradicts. Of course everyone's gonna keep calling 'em starters anyway. I'm almost certain we'd be calling them starters even if they were officially First Partners the whole time.

  • @augustthenuz984
    @augustthenuz984 Місяць тому

    Great video, summed things up reasonably and stuff.
    9:57 When I hear "The Big Three" I think of Percy Jackson lol

  • @tOGGLEwAFFLES
    @tOGGLEwAFFLES Місяць тому +4

    Your square rectangle thing is incorrect, but its just a wording issue, its "All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares", some rectangles are squares because squares are a type of rectangle.

  • @CraftingGummi
    @CraftingGummi Місяць тому +2

    I'll be as dead as Turo and Sada are before willingly call them first partners (unless I'm referring to a non-starter like my Magnemite in my Steel/Ground/Rock only Alola run)

  • @Danrole237
    @Danrole237 Місяць тому +4

    yay you guys uploaded on my birthday 🎂🎂

  • @Ninjago-xv7sn
    @Ninjago-xv7sn Місяць тому +2

    Yeah. They stopped calling starter Pokémon starters after gen 6 in the anime. After gen 6 starters in the anime are just considered regular pokemon.

  • @kannan07
    @kannan07 Місяць тому +4

    I hate the change
    But people having different starters was always a thing
    Starter pokemon was always just a for us players,
    Like, Ash's starter is pikachu
    Manga Red's is poliwhirl

  • @mattwo7
    @mattwo7 29 днів тому +2

    4:51 I can not agree with this criteria. Pikachu in Pokemon Yellow and Let's Go Pikachu is a starter of a species that can be found in the wild, same goes for Eevee in Let's Go Eevee. Sure the Pikachu and Eevee in Let's Go are specifically called "Partner Pikachu" and "Partner Eevee" but the Pikachu in Pokemon Yellow doesn't share this distinction. Also Ash's pikachu is a starter and every starter pokemon in the anime can be found in the wild too. Ash specifically catches at least one wild starter per region. Oh and every Hisui starter can be found in space-time anomalies, which qualifies as "the wild" .

  • @SantosOverlord
    @SantosOverlord Місяць тому +2

    cant wait for gen 10 and be given my 5248 partner Pokémon!

  • @magenichlas
    @magenichlas 23 дні тому +1

    They better include Blue's Pidgey going by Gen 2 and HGSS. In those games it's clearly shown that Red cleaned out Professor Oak of the Starters and Blue had to get his Pidgey to start off with.

  • @jgr7487
    @jgr7487 Місяць тому +4

    Squares are only 1:1.
    All formats are rectangles.

  • @cofagrigusfan24
    @cofagrigusfan24 Місяць тому +15

    this is how I describe a Starter Pokémon
    the first Pokémon, you the player obtain in the main series games
    so that does include Pikachu & Eevee, due to Yellow and the Let's Go titles
    it does not matter if you can catch them in the wild (like Pikachu, Eevee, Let's Go & the Blueberry Academy)
    a starter is the first you get in the main series games, nothing else

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 29 днів тому +1

      If they use the term “First Partner Pokemon” then they are backing themselves into a corner, because ANY Pokémon can be a first partner Pokemon. From the first route Ratata and Bidoof, to the Mighty Arceus.

    • @cofagrigusfan24
      @cofagrigusfan24 29 днів тому +1

      @@manoftruth0935 Hop's first partner Pokémon is Wooloo
      but his Starter, is the one weak to yours

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 29 днів тому

      @@cofagrigusfan24 the point still stands. By using first partner Pokémon, Pokémon has to have all creatures in every game, otherwise, using the term “first partner Pokémon” is false advertising.

    • @Saroku1000
      @Saroku1000 28 днів тому

      @@manoftruth0935 First partner Pokémon is literally the same definition as starter Pokémon, its the first Pokémon you get in the game. Ratat, bidoof and others arent the first Pokémon you get in the game, so they are not first partner Pokémons. Second Partner Pokémons at best. "First" means that it was your first Pokémon you got, not the first Pokémon in your team. Only NPCs can get Ratatas as their first Pokémon, so for them, Ratata is their starter/first partner Pokémon. Starter was never an exlusive name for the classical grass/fire/water trio, its a name for the very first Pokémon someone gets. We just associate the term "Starter" with the classical trio because in most games, the grass/fire/water trio is the only option we have as our very first Pokémon. We players cant have pidgeon as a starter Pokémon, but NPCs can.

    • @Saroku1000
      @Saroku1000 28 днів тому

      @@cofagrigusfan24 Then wooloo was his starter Pokémon. The definition for starter Pokémon is literally the first Pokémon someone gets, the first Pokémon for someone to start as Pokémon Trainer. Thats where the name comes from. Its not limited to the classical grass/fire/water trio, thats a pretty narrow view fans recently got. The reason why mostly the trio is called "starter" is because in 99% games, the grass/fire/water trio are the first Pokémon you can get in the game. Fans recently mistake that and think that "starter" is an exlusive name only for the grass/fire/water trio, while its just simply a name for the very first Pokémon someone gets, which can be any Pokémon.

  • @giggymuun
    @giggymuun 29 днів тому +2

    💀
    pkmn won’t change or anything, but nobody really cares cause we all are still gonna call them starters

  • @shinesoul7472
    @shinesoul7472 Місяць тому +2

    To me heres how I’ll group. Stater is a Class/Group, First Partner/ just Partner mon is a Title given to individuals. Starters are often partner pkmn but you can have other mons be your partner instead.
    Example: squirtle is a kind of starter pokemon, Gary’s Squirtle is his Partner pkmn(or maybe its his eevee/Umbreon but you get it)

  • @christophermitchell9739
    @christophermitchell9739 Місяць тому +2

    I always see this a thing that's the difference between the pokémon people begin with that's given at the beginning of the game (starter) and people who begin with other pokémon.

  • @WilliamX5000
    @WilliamX5000 Місяць тому +2

    I'm just gonna be calling them Starters.

  • @universal8109
    @universal8109 Місяць тому +2

    I'm a casual player but I've known of the pokemon company calling them first partner pokemon for a few years now. I think mainly cause of the pokemon 25th anniversary first partner tcg packs but I always took at as just a alternative fancier way of saying starter to make the promotion more appealing, other than that I still thought starter was the official term.

  • @wikiuser92
    @wikiuser92 Місяць тому +2

    Those other characters' first Pokémon have always been their first partners/starters. It's not something that came with this new term. The Pokémon the players choose at the start of the game are just the Pokémon that'll be partners/starters to us. NPCs and other characters have always had the possibility of starting out with different Pokémon, it's not a recently surfaced phenomenon.

  • @Alfy-kl5vr
    @Alfy-kl5vr Місяць тому +2

    To me, a STARTER is a Pokémon you START the game with. So, LGE added Eevee & Yellow added Pikachu

  • @agilecandle428
    @agilecandle428 Місяць тому +4

    #CallThemStarterPokemonAgain

  • @omegav1252
    @omegav1252 Місяць тому +2

    Funny enough it's been around for abit i remember going shopping and these pokeballs that act like guess who but for pokemon the one i have always calls them first partner pokemon and I was so confused why they don't just say starter

  • @o26kaichu20
    @o26kaichu20 Місяць тому +2

    I do think the umbrella-term thing makes the most sense. But uh... I don't think it'll matter dude, we'll just say what we wanna say, lol.

  • @HerooftheWild
    @HerooftheWild 29 днів тому +2

    I don't care what TPC says, I'm still calling them Starter Pokémon

  • @Metahunt638
    @Metahunt638 Місяць тому

    They were also calling them first partner pokemon back in the 25th anniversary. Where one of the big packs referred to them as “first partner pokemon”

  • @emilyhopemeechem4183
    @emilyhopemeechem4183 Місяць тому +4

    Starter idea:
    Singapore based region:
    Grass starter: Japanese chin dog covered in moss becomes a cyborg (gains steel type at final stage)
    Fire starter: Red Panda with lasers (gains psychic type at final stage)
    Water starter: astronaut Tardigrade (base size is 8 inches tall would make it the shortest unevolved starter) (part bug type throughout evolution line)

  • @eclipsesoluna3453
    @eclipsesoluna3453 Місяць тому +2

    I think the point is that not everyone in-universe starts their journeys with a starter (such as the many NPC trainers you fight in the games constantly) so tey so they kinda sorta changed the term for that
    the problem is the term Starter pokemon could apply for them too...
    either way i'm calling them starters, at the very least as long as TPC can't decide which terminology to stick with

    • @Saroku1000
      @Saroku1000 28 днів тому

      "Starter" is just a term that was born as a name for the first Pokémon someone gets. It was never meant as an exclusive name for the classical grass/fire/water trio. People recently just mistakenly interpet it as a exlusive name for the trios because starter is mainly used for them, but thats only because the trio are always the first Pokémon in all the games with a few exceptions (Lets go), so we naturally only call the trio "starters" because those are the only Pokémon avaiable to us as our first Pokémons. We don't call ratata or others a starter Pokémon because there is no game where ratata is the very first Pokémon we get. We players can never have ratata as a starter Pokémon, but for an NPC who got ratata as his first, that ratata is his starter Pokémon.

  • @mattwo7
    @mattwo7 29 днів тому +2

    9:57 They call the Elite Four the Four Heavenly Kings based on the group from Chinese Mythology (Bulbapedia says "The Big Four" but there's literally a 王 king kanji and is spelled 四天王 which is one 大 great character away from the original Chinese 四大天王 Four Great Heavenly Kings. Also the lack of a 大 great kanji makes Bulbapedia's use of "Big" in the translation nonsensical and I think they may have confused the 天 heaven kanji for it. "Elite Four" is technically correct as it means "the four most superior individuals within a group or field" but not "Big Four." The Big Five in Yugioh by contrast uses kana to phonetically spell "big" as close as possible and a number 5, thus avoiding this outright. Also Bulbapedia's translation for "Big Three" is correct, even though the choice of kanji seems nonsensical... )

  • @TuckerPlays-vn2zz
    @TuckerPlays-vn2zz Місяць тому

    “Anyone can start with any pokemon”
    Hey professor could I have that Yevalta over there.

  • @vixenixel
    @vixenixel Місяць тому +2

    I still call the true starters 'starter pokemon' but I call any canon character's first partner 'first partner pokemon'. The Adventures Manga protagonist started with a Polywhirl after all. I sort of think that the term is an in universe thing for people who didn't start with the traditional handouts from professors.
    In short, I just use both.

  • @shadowsnake5133
    @shadowsnake5133 Місяць тому +2

    Okay, technically it makes more sense, as sometimes you're not given a choice, like with pokemon yellow, that said, nope. I'll continue saying starter just as much as old people call it pokeymans.