I said the same thing on Reddit - Bitwig has more interesting things to do that no other DAW is doing, than reworking the piano roll.. it's a low priority because it's still very usable, albeit with some minor gripes. But these new devices seem much more inline with Bitwig's DNA. It's interesting to see that the unpopular opinion is to celebrate when Bitwig does new and innovative things like 4.1 did, instead of doing something with the piano roll.
piano roll is very functional i dont understand people complaining for improving the piano roll LOL ... people will never be happy always complaining for something..
@@alemusicgirl don't get me wrong, it could use some impri, but it's not broken by any means. New and innovative devices should be celebrated, instead of thinking Bitwig would "catch up" to Ableton and FLs piano roll..
@@alemusicgirl "people will never be happy always complaining for something.." If they didn't, and suck it up like you, we'd be still using Notator on Atari with an AKAI S1000 (or maybe we'd just be banging rocks together), and everybody would be "content". Progress comes because people complain
I've never once regretting switching from Ableton Live to Bitwig, and 4.1 is no exception. Thanks for sharing! Dribble with a quantize sounds great for making glitchy sounds :D
Ricochet is very reminiscent of the OP-1's tambala sequencer which I'm a huge fan of :D Note repeat and its various modes... Nice. Bitwig is the DAW that keeps on giving. People pay a lot of money for plugins to do what you did with these devices working together. **edit** I just tried automating Ricochet with modulators and yes, yes yes, Bitwig!
Amazing video! These devices finally give me a reason to renew my upgrade plan. (I'm a sucker for Euclidean rhythms, and I'm very thankful that you've spent a lot of time exploring them over the past year or so!)
Damn! This is a pretty amazing set of additions, I totally agree that sure, there are a few basic things that could be tidied up with the core functionality but tbh I'm always happy to see the more off-the-wall and inventive updates like this. Thanks for showing them off so well :)
Lol man, getting this video in my youtube recommends feels like the universe trolling me. I was just complaining about the lack of piano roll (and other basic daw) improvements in Bitwig 5, haha, then i get this video! Jesus man! And no, -this- workflow will never replace me playing keyboard or my Drumpads and editing midi notes :D This unlucky topic aside, your videos are always of great quality. A bit sad that there's no polarity musik guy number 2 who emphasizes on using a keyboard with piano skills -> Because then i guess Bitwig would have updated piano roll much faster, if the community wouldn't be so biased towards playing music by "random"-devices.
Great breakdown of some cool new tools, thanks. For me the exciting thing is that most of these new tools are realtime, so I can play on my keyboard and all this wonderful stuff comes out. Turns it into a very interesting instrument indeed
I assume you'll be able to record the midi notes out of the new device as you can for other note effects in Bitwig. I must admit though, I simply wish Bitwig would just get the minimum basics required of midi, sysex and piano roll for more traditional composing workflow.
Piano roll in Bitwig really sucks and misses some basic Features.. like Scale highlighting (Cubase, Cakewalk, Studio One, Ableton, Fl Studio, Reaper.. all do this and much more), Note editing/ printing / slicing etc. But this feature is at least interesting. Maybe I will switch back to Bitwig someday.. if their piano roll is no more outdated. It doesnt make fun if you work a lot on midi files.
@@PolarityMusic I totally understand your point of view, but it depends on your work and clients. I have to work a lot on midi files. I really like Bitwigs sound manipulation features.. but there is some kind of industry standard nowadays regarding a piano roll and its functions, which bitwig for some reason cant come up with. The only major DAWs I can remember, who struggle with this too, are Protools and Reason.
If you need these features to do your work, maybe Bitwig isnt for you. And I dont think there is an "industry standard" for the piano roll. For me and many others the piano roll is just fine.
@@PolarityMusic If most, nearly all, competetors offer a certain feature, one could call it an industry standard I think. And you are right. For now and for my clients work, Bitwig is not the right tool, even if I like a lot of its other workflow features. But constantly switching between two DAWs is currently no option for my workflow. Thats why I stopped using bitwig. I hope someday I can change back, either due to different client demands or due to added features in Bitwig. Have a nice day :)
You have to remember that Bitwig are a small team of creatives themselves and they will develop features that they think users will enjoy AND that they are passionate to develop. If they just end up copying other DAWs like for like, why bother having their own company, they can just go work for ImageLine or go back to Ableton.
Thank you for this new feature explanation! Does Bitwig have a way to rapidly bounce all this awesome generative stuff to MIDI clips? For example, if I generate a beat, can I quickly bounce multiple takes of my rhythm to midi for keeping later, without retaining dependency on the note FX devices keeping the same generation settings? Without needing to just bounce to audio either... because what if I haven't sorted out all my drum sounds yet, so need to be able to change those in the instrument devices afterwards? Is this possible? I know how to set up another track to record the midi but that feels clunky. Surely some kind of rapid clip-based midi capture is possible? 🙏 Did I miss something? Thanks for the great video, I can't wait to get into these new note FX devices... not even until the end of this video! 😅
Thanks for the showcase! I love that piano pattern you created around 32:00. Btw. is there a way to export the output of the chain into a new MIDI clip?
@@lukyshmusic I work a lot with this technique. Once you're happy with the midi events the devices are generating, output that midi to the new track, duplicate the same instrument to it and you've then got manual control of the actual midi for tweaking. I'll even take the midi to another sequencer with note effects and then bring that back into Bitwig in order to avoid manually doing it in piano roll etc.
Very cool new tools, but why are they marketing them as note fx, like something super innovative, when they're just good old midi fx? Operators are note-based. These aren't. Or am I missing something?
@@Excds Thanks. A bit misleading though, I was hoping those fx could be applied on a per-note basis, like the Operators. Now that would be cool and innovative. Still, I agree the Piano Roll is not so important here. When you can build an entire track with a four bar loop.
Is it easy to send these note repeat Euclidian Rhythms with their accents out as a midi cc message which u can send to a hardware device? Seems like a great way to insert some rhythmic modulation to a sequence
Hi! Yes! From Bitwig manual : HW CV Instrument A router that sends the incoming note messages out of the system as CV signals. One path is used for Pitch CV Out, and one is used for Gate Out triggers. Audio In is then returned to the system and output from this device. HW CV Out and for MIDI hardware : HW Instrument A router that sends the incoming note signals out of Bitwig Studio as MIDI, and then returns the resultant audio. For note and MIDI output, settings include the MIDI output port to use as well as whether to send all messages on a single MIDI channel or to preserve Same Ch.(annel) set for each per note/event in Bitwig Studio. A special Use MPE option can be used instead, converting note expressions (see Expressions Section) to appropriate channel voice messages, dynamically allocating channels as necessary, and providing a pitch-bend range parameter. And a toggle is available in case you want to send MIDI Clock messages to this MIDI port. The audio return section includes the audio input to use, a gain level applied to that signal, and a latency offset amount that is set in samples (negative settings adjust the audio to be earlier). Like most instruments, nested device chains for Note FX and audio FX are provided.
@@FredMurray thanks, but my question was basically whether I can remap the rhythm including the accent strength to a specific midi CC. I guess it's just the velocity output that I'm after
I love bitwig but there are lots of basic and simple features that are missing, like changing the pitch on repitch mode. Those new devices are cool but not as essential, and we’re still waiting for a midi grid !
bitwig has note repeaters and randomizers. the drum buss is just a saturator, comp and a eq slapped together.. so you can build it yourself easily if you want to
Hi, thanks for this. I ended up building some nice percussion devices based on your bongo machine and put them inside an instrument layer. Is there a way to store presets like Ableton does or is it best to save all instances seperately?
Any thoughts as to how to shuffle after the quantizer? One thought I had to add custom shuffles after the quantizer is to use the fx selector with various note delays in them and to use a steps modulator to choose which delay to use. It works but it feels a bit cumbersome.
Yep that was my immediate thought - how to shuffle. Haven't explored it yet, so might be wrong, but I assume you'd have to takethe midi out to a new track, record it in, duplicate the instrument across and then apply shuffle as normal.
What did you do exactly just before 36:00 to get a lot of kick drum repeats? I saw you make only one kick drum in the piano roll, and suddenly you have a lot of them. How? Thanks, said the newbie.
you can loop the clip in the arranger by dragging the lower end of the clip. then i shortened the clip to 1 quarter note. so you loop one 1/4 of the clip with one kick note in it. does it help?
26:50 Transposing up 7 semitones for a quint and using Key filter after it is the wrong way. You have to transpose 6 semitones. For example your key is C major. You transpose 7 semitones up and play a B you will get a G. This is wrong it have to be a F. If you transpose only 6 semitones up you will get an F. By the way: Mode Shift in key filter is buggy
Does the Strum, Dribble, Ricochet work with External Hardware Instruments like the arp note fx ? At the moment I have the 16 Channel Version and don't see those FX. Thank You.
I see you are using Windows, did you experience any stability issues with the 4.1 beta 1? I had issues with audio engine hanging up which could only be solved by killing it with the task manager. I already filed it with Bitwig . Otherwise it’s a really great update, already Note Repeater alone is super cool.
once bitwig switches to a more fluid graphics backend and pulls even even Ableton and Fl it will be a hit. It just feels too laggy if your switching from those two.
@@PolarityMusic Sorry, but I think it's even known that Bitwig doesn't use the GPU at all. It' Interface is just not as fluid as FL Studio or Ableton, it's not bad of course, but noticable if you switch, especially from FL which is just like magic when it comes to visual feedback.
I said the same thing on Reddit - Bitwig has more interesting things to do that no other DAW is doing, than reworking the piano roll.. it's a low priority because it's still very usable, albeit with some minor gripes. But these new devices seem much more inline with Bitwig's DNA. It's interesting to see that the unpopular opinion is to celebrate when Bitwig does new and innovative things like 4.1 did, instead of doing something with the piano roll.
yes, and the main reason why i love bitwig is because they do it differently. So I welcome these new creative ways :)
piano roll is very functional i dont understand people complaining for improving the piano roll LOL ... people will never be happy always complaining for something..
@@alemusicgirl don't get me wrong, it could use some impri, but it's not broken by any means. New and innovative devices should be celebrated, instead of thinking Bitwig would "catch up" to Ableton and FLs piano roll..
Well, BitWig should definitely add some scale locking to its piano roll, at least...
@@alemusicgirl "people will never be happy always complaining for something.." If they didn't, and suck it up like you, we'd be still using Notator on Atari with an AKAI S1000 (or maybe we'd just be banging rocks together), and everybody would be "content". Progress comes because people complain
i wasn't all excited when this was announced, but 12 minutes into this video, I'm fucking sold. gimme gimme gimme
Bitwog is the GOAT. soon they will all know
Bitwog hahahahahahahahaha
Bot wig !
I've never once regretting switching from Ableton Live to Bitwig, and 4.1 is no exception. Thanks for sharing! Dribble with a quantize sounds great for making glitchy sounds :D
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Ricochet is very reminiscent of the OP-1's tambala sequencer which I'm a huge fan of :D Note repeat and its various modes... Nice. Bitwig is the DAW that keeps on giving. People pay a lot of money for plugins to do what you did with these devices working together. **edit** I just tried automating Ricochet with modulators and yes, yes yes, Bitwig!
Bought it yesterday after 30 day trial. Game changer!
Absolutely love those examples of the note repeater. About to try and recreate for myself. Great video. 👍.
Super brilliant demo, the piano part is specially amazing.
Super Zusammenfassung, danke. Macht Lust auf mehr.
Great walk through! This is how I've always wanted to work in BW!
Amazing video! These devices finally give me a reason to renew my upgrade plan. (I'm a sucker for Euclidean rhythms, and I'm very thankful that you've spent a lot of time exploring them over the past year or so!)
great to hear and i only touched the surface i think :)
This has got me excited about exploring Bitwig! Great video, thanks!
Awesome demo of Bitwig 4.1. I'm so glad I switched to Bitwig, it just gets better and better. Never disappointed by the new features.
Damn! This is a pretty amazing set of additions, I totally agree that sure, there are a few basic things that could be tidied up with the core functionality but tbh I'm always happy to see the more off-the-wall and inventive updates like this. Thanks for showing them off so well :)
Lol man, getting this video in my youtube recommends feels like the universe trolling me. I was just complaining about the lack of piano roll (and other basic daw) improvements in Bitwig 5, haha, then i get this video! Jesus man! And no, -this- workflow will never replace me playing keyboard or my Drumpads and editing midi notes :D This unlucky topic aside, your videos are always of great quality. A bit sad that there's no polarity musik guy number 2 who emphasizes on using a keyboard with piano skills -> Because then i guess Bitwig would have updated piano roll much faster, if the community wouldn't be so biased towards playing music by "random"-devices.
Oh, sooo looking forward to the release version! Thanks for the summary!
Enjoyed every minute of this video. Keep it up!
Interesting stuff with the note transpose / repeat thing you did on the piano. Also really liked the note repeat basslines!
Incredible, I’m really forward to spending lots of time with Bitwig!
Great breakdown of some cool new tools, thanks. For me the exciting thing is that most of these new tools are realtime, so I can play on my keyboard and all this wonderful stuff comes out. Turns it into a very interesting instrument indeed
Great overview and very inspiring as usual!
Note effects are cool but i would prefer a much better pianoroll like fl studio.
Printing note effects to the pianoroll would be a nice Feature.
I assume you'll be able to record the midi notes out of the new device as you can for other note effects in Bitwig. I must admit though, I simply wish Bitwig would just get the minimum basics required of midi, sysex and piano roll for more traditional composing workflow.
Mindblowing new Stuff...Bitwig is going upwards, thanks for the demo
Excellent video! Thanks so much for your great examples.
I always look forward to your videos man! Thank you.
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Never forget. We need a better piano roll.
not anymore :D
Awesome video love ur stuff man keep smashign it!
Grossartig! ❤️
sUPER CreaTive -creativo 100% Bitwig sorprende desde siempre ¡¡¡¡ I love
Wow. Thanks for sharing!
Piano roll in Bitwig really sucks and misses some basic Features.. like Scale highlighting (Cubase, Cakewalk, Studio One, Ableton, Fl Studio, Reaper.. all do this and much more), Note editing/ printing / slicing etc. But this feature is at least interesting. Maybe I will switch back to Bitwig someday.. if their piano roll is no more outdated. It doesnt make fun if you work a lot on midi files.
yea I couldn’t care less about piano roll features. All these tools are way too static and boring.
@@PolarityMusic I totally understand your point of view, but it depends on your work and clients. I have to work a lot on midi files. I really like Bitwigs sound manipulation features.. but there is some kind of industry standard nowadays regarding a piano roll and its functions, which bitwig for some reason cant come up with. The only major DAWs I can remember, who struggle with this too, are Protools and Reason.
If you need these features to do your work, maybe Bitwig isnt for you. And I dont think there is an "industry standard" for the piano roll. For me and many others the piano roll is just fine.
@@PolarityMusic If most, nearly all, competetors offer a certain feature, one could call it an industry standard I think.
And you are right. For now and for my clients work, Bitwig is not the right tool, even if I like a lot of its other workflow features. But constantly switching between two DAWs is currently no option for my workflow.
Thats why I stopped using bitwig. I hope someday I can change back, either due to different client demands or due to added features in Bitwig.
Have a nice day :)
You have to remember that Bitwig are a small team of creatives themselves and they will develop features that they think users will enjoy AND that they are passionate to develop. If they just end up copying other DAWs like for like, why bother having their own company, they can just go work for ImageLine or go back to Ableton.
Bist der Beste! 😎✌️
great new generator effects.
@9:03
"Bring order to the Chaos". & "Dial in the forgiveness".
Those lines sound biblical or great names for track. 😇😅🤣...
amen break tune incoming ....
Thank you for this new feature explanation!
Does Bitwig have a way to rapidly bounce all this awesome generative stuff to MIDI clips? For example, if I generate a beat, can I quickly bounce multiple takes of my rhythm to midi for keeping later, without retaining dependency on the note FX devices keeping the same generation settings?
Without needing to just bounce to audio either... because what if I haven't sorted out all my drum sounds yet, so need to be able to change those in the instrument devices afterwards?
Is this possible? I know how to set up another track to record the midi but that feels clunky. Surely some kind of rapid clip-based midi capture is possible? 🙏 Did I miss something?
Thanks for the great video, I can't wait to get into these new note FX devices... not even until the end of this video! 😅
Is this possible?
No there is no midi bounce yet. But you still can record to a note clip.
God damnit! I gave in when the drum patterns came and just upgraded off this video as it gave me too many ideas! Bread and water till payday no haha!
Thanks for the showcase! I love that piano pattern you created around 32:00. Btw. is there a way to export the output of the chain into a new MIDI clip?
sure! create a new instrument track, and select as an midi input the output of the device from the first track
Nice, I didn't know about this option, thanks! :)
@@lukyshmusic I work a lot with this technique. Once you're happy with the midi events the devices are generating, output that midi to the new track, duplicate the same instrument to it and you've then got manual control of the actual midi for tweaking. I'll even take the midi to another sequencer with note effects and then bring that back into Bitwig in order to avoid manually doing it in piano roll etc.
Very cool new tools, but why are they marketing them as note fx, like something super innovative, when they're just good old midi fx? Operators are note-based. These aren't. Or am I missing something?
In Bitwig there are two FX categories. One for audio and one for notes (i.e. midi). This is just what they are named in Bitwig.
@@Excds Thanks. A bit misleading though, I was hoping those fx could be applied on a per-note basis, like the Operators. Now that would be cool and innovative.
Still, I agree the Piano Roll is not so important here. When you can build an entire track with a four bar loop.
Is it easy to send these note repeat Euclidian Rhythms with their accents out as a midi cc message which u can send to a hardware device? Seems like a great way to insert some rhythmic modulation to a sequence
Hi! Yes!
From Bitwig manual :
HW CV Instrument
A router that sends the incoming note messages out of the system as CV signals. One path is used for Pitch CV Out, and one is used for Gate Out triggers. Audio In is then returned to the system and output from this device.
HW CV Out
and for MIDI hardware :
HW Instrument
A router that sends the incoming note signals out of Bitwig Studio as MIDI, and then returns the resultant audio.
For note and MIDI output, settings include the MIDI output port to use as well as whether to send all messages on a single MIDI channel or to preserve Same Ch.(annel) set for each per note/event in Bitwig Studio. A special Use MPE option can be used instead, converting note expressions (see Expressions Section) to appropriate channel voice messages, dynamically allocating channels as necessary, and providing a pitch-bend range parameter. And a toggle is available in case you want to send MIDI Clock messages to this MIDI port.
The audio return section includes the audio input to use, a gain level applied to that signal, and a latency offset amount that is set in samples (negative settings adjust the audio to be earlier).
Like most instruments, nested device chains for Note FX and audio FX are provided.
@@FredMurray thanks, but my question was basically whether I can remap the rhythm including the accent strength to a specific midi CC. I guess it's just the velocity output that I'm after
With HW Instrument you can send midi to external gear. I hope I understand well your question : sorry, English is not my first language..
Reason players are good but this tools are in another league.
I love bitwig but there are lots of basic and simple features that are missing, like changing the pitch on repitch mode. Those new devices are cool but not as essential, and we’re still waiting for a midi grid !
I call this Random DAW.
The only thing I miss switching to Bitwig from Ableton is Drum Buss and the note repeaters and randomizers. Any equivalents to those?
bitwig has note repeaters and randomizers. the drum buss is just a saturator, comp and a eq slapped together.. so you can build it yourself easily if you want to
Riccochet ist not random. Its chaotic.
Hi, thanks for this. I ended up building some nice percussion devices based on your bongo machine and put them inside an instrument layer. Is there a way to store presets like Ableton does or is it best to save all instances seperately?
right click on the root device (or most parent?) and save preset as, everything nested will be saved too
@@PolarityMusic Thanks :)
I wish dribble was able to start fast and gets slower. Is there a work around for that?
i dont think so. but you try to use a ramp modulator on the note repeater, slowly increasing the multiplier
@@PolarityMusic I suppose maybe Bitwig could just add an option to ramp this up or down in speed. That would be awesome!
@@matthsmatthsmatths send them a request through their contact options, that is actually a very good idea :)
Any thoughts as to how to shuffle after the quantizer? One thought I had to add custom shuffles after the quantizer is to use the fx selector with various note delays in them and to use a steps modulator to choose which delay to use. It works but it feels a bit cumbersome.
Yep that was my immediate thought - how to shuffle. Haven't explored it yet, so might be wrong, but I assume you'd have to takethe midi out to a new track, record it in, duplicate the instrument across and then apply shuffle as normal.
The rickochet effect reminds me of sequencer on OP1 synth, which is a cool synth but way overpriced for what it does.
What did you do exactly just before 36:00 to get a lot of kick drum repeats? I saw you make only one kick drum in the piano roll, and suddenly you have a lot of them. How? Thanks, said the newbie.
you can loop the clip in the arranger by dragging the lower end of the clip. then i shortened the clip to 1 quarter note. so you loop one 1/4 of the clip with one kick note in it. does it help?
@@PolarityMusic Yes, I can understand that you can loop it. However, it also looks like a lot of notes appeared (in the arranger view). No?
26:50 Transposing up 7 semitones for a quint and using Key filter after it is the wrong way. You have to transpose 6 semitones. For example your key is C major. You transpose 7 semitones up and play a B you will get a G. This is wrong it have to be a F. If you transpose only 6 semitones up you will get an F. By the way: Mode Shift in key filter is buggy
mhh not for me. Cmaj on key filter and playing B with +7 before key filter gives me an f.
@@PolarityMusic Really, I tested it again now and it is right what you wrote and I was wrong.
I dial in the knob of forgiveness
Does the Strum, Dribble, Ricochet work with External Hardware Instruments like the arp note fx ? At the moment I have the 16 Channel Version and don't see those FX. Thank You.
yes, you can send it out to Hardware sure
do you still have the kontakt 5 piano effect chain for download? i would like to dive deeper into it ..
Instant Keith Jarrett
😂😂😂
Not sure what's wrong on my end, but 4.1 beta has constant audio engine crashes. 🤔 I wish I could play around with these new devices too.
download beta 2 😊
Thank you ;) i have a question, can i use aax format in bitwig studio ? thank you :)
afaik AAX is pro tools only
Quantise "Forgiverness" is equivalent to "Humanise".
Strålande!
I see you are using Windows, did you experience any stability issues with the 4.1 beta 1? I had issues with audio engine hanging up which could only be solved by killing it with the task manager. I already filed it with Bitwig .
Otherwise it’s a really great update, already Note Repeater alone is super cool.
Beta 2 is out, should be better
@@PolarityMusic thanks, will try it!
@@PolarityMusic Is it better with Beta 2 ?
NOT FIRST
It won't last long and Bitwig will release a complete pinball machine as a device.
I'm afraid to see what mad science is going to come out in the next 5 years with this program.
once bitwig switches to a more fluid graphics backend and pulls even even Ableton and Fl it will be a hit. It just feels too laggy if your switching from those two.
that can´t be. i was using ableton some months ago and it was suuuper laggy compared to bitwig.
@@PolarityMusic Sorry, but I think it's even known that Bitwig doesn't use the GPU at all. It' Interface is just not as fluid as FL Studio or Ableton, it's not bad of course, but noticable if you switch, especially from FL which is just like magic when it comes to visual feedback.
Nah
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"writing" music with knobs and sliders, instead of piano roll. Yes please.