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As beloved as Steam is as a digital platform and launcher, make no mistake, you pretty much own or have full autonomy of access over none of those games. The more laws can push towards normalizing GOG's model of digital ownership and autonomy over your digital purchases, the safer a digital future can feel for consumers.
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😂 wow, I can't believe you did that, awesome move!
Yong, make a video on MultiVersus, how they improved a little over the relaunch, but the game still has many, many problems.
Hmmm but I can copy game folders like Vampire Survivors out and send the whole folder to my friends. How would you speak about that?
(edit: Vampire Survivors is a game sold on Steam for 4.99 USD. Because of the sheer small size of the game client, we were able to copy the whole folder into a CD and sell it for around 10 USD in street stalls in my country. The reception wasn't that good tho.)
And this is why piracy will still be a thing.
Don't want piracy? Change the laws to benefit the consumer.
Read your EULAs. You don't own anything electronic.
Yes you do
"Consumer" is such a horrible term.
We are the Customer.
@@LukeHimself And like everyone knows, *_the costumer is always right._*
@@Slitheringpeanut ya Count's found that the eula can't enforce work around to program you have purchased. That was part of the right to repair a thing
Since we are licensing games now instead of purchasing, that means prices should drop by 80% now, no "rental" or "licensed" product costs full price.
By ''now'' you mean since the early 00s?
@@LoneTiger uh it was like this since the floppy disk games…
prices should reflect distance from retail release. the further from the release date the cheaper it becomes. none of these been out 2-10 years and full retail price.
Yup. Their pretty much getting away with murder till they pass more laws too stop them. Trust me when I say this, this shit should be illegal.
We also still pay for packaging prices when there is no package anymore.
If they steal my games I’ll just pirate them back. Take me to court, I have every receipt and every email.
They just say you didn't read the terms and conditions which state you don't own it and only hold a licences to use it so good luck there
At best you might get a refund but thats at best
Every receipt and email with terms and conditions that also say you don’t own anything, just hidden somewhere in small text. It’s always been like that.
Addressing the replies here.. contrary to popular belief, just because a company puts something in their terms and conditions does not mean it will hold water in court, even if you signed it. That is not how contract law works.
@@forwarduntodawn1000 EULA doesn't automatically mean they win.
Courts can and have overruled Terms and Conditions before.
@@forwarduntodawn1000 Terms and conditions don't overwrite laws. Like for instance companies can't just say "We own you if you agree to this contract" even if you did sign it, it's an unlawful contract.
Company: You license the game, you don't own the game.
Me: Then what's the f$&# is he point of paying a arm and a leg for the game then?!?!
Not only that, but the game is in a constant Work in Progress for years
So shareholders and investors get that sweet, sweet high of profit. /s
They don't care. They just want you to. And funnily enough, YOU HAVE.
Yeah recently €70 AAA games became €80 it’s getting so much worse.
@@errorx_x1063work in progress. Bro unfinished. It’s like 20% complete when they launch it.😅
That won't fly in Europe where the laws have passed that require these games to function and be accessible in perpetuity. We can only hope it comes to the US.
If it requires a fix for the entirety of Europe, i'd be kind of pointless to not implement it globally. They'd gain literally nothing but bad PR.
@@warbossgegguz679 Apple did it, they litterally desgined 2 sepreate IOS versions they supported, sideloading enabled and alternative app store enabled IOS for Europe and the rest of the world gets normal IOS
This just, isn't true
What your thinking of is the stop killing games initiative, which EU lawmakers haven't even commented on yet
There has been 0 discussion in the EU about this
What's the source of that? I haven't heard about a law like that being implemented
Ubisoft being the ones pushing this law.
And these companies wonder why pirating is so prevalent
If anything, this is only helping piracy to become more popular.
The people that pirate have been doing it since day one, with physical disks these are not noble people these are scammers killing small dev studios, and making gaming in general poor.
@@gloomyvale3671I always pirate from these AAA studios because I don't own the copy I bought like wtf?? And yeah I never pirate from indie devs lol I buy their games.
@@gloomyvale3671 Lol no. Gaming is more lucrative than every other form of entertainment COMBINED. You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@gloomyvale3671 That's just not true
If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing! Love you YEA!
BOOM!
My words exactly
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that's new
Louder for the folks in the back.
If we are renting the games and not owning them, then why the hell are we paying full price? They should be 20 bucks the most
You’ll need governments to come in again sir
@@jessewayman4181 buy physical! It's not rocket science. That's the only way we keep them from doing that
Now they need to force them to give automatic refunds if access is removed
That won't happen. They will take your money, and leave with you nothing. Buy from GOG, or buy Physical on consoles, if you don't want these greedy companies to have full control over your digital library.
@DeadPhoenix86DP physical on consoles will eventually go away too sadly
@@lovelorn88nick So does consoles.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP huh?? Dude that's literally what I JUST said. Lol
They kinda did with Concord
The endgame for corporations is to force you to keep paying to ACCESS a game. This future is what they want more than anything.
The future??? Have you ever heard of MMORPGs? You know the games that you can buy but still have to pay a subscription to have access to them. None of this is new.
You see it more clearly than most. That's where we're headed too. They're going lean heavy in the "Network Subscription" direction. Sony will be the first to try.
Yup that's why piracy is now completely normalized to casuals. Iv heard kid's talking about his dad getting him a fire stick with emulators on it like last week.
@@Penguin-qp2wk Yes but that's not nearly the same thing. It's impossible to run an MMO without customers paying for it to some degree. Even free MMOs run off expensive digital purchases. Running an MMO is expensive, and money needs to come from somewhere in a game where you agree to be always online. Those are specific games that have always been known to have paid access. That is not the same a company forcing you to pay perpetually to access a single player game. That is completely ridiculous, and that is the main future we don't want.
I was thinking this same thing. What’s stopping companies from now charging an annual “license fee”
Still don’t know how not owning Ubisoft games digitally is going to up their tanking stock
Basically it turns games as goods into games as a service
- subscriptions, cloud only
- micro transactions, loot boxes etc...
- in game advertisements, marketing
It didn't tank it either. What damaged their stock was bad game releases. Simply because you never owned any of the games you ever bought. Not a single one. It's always been 'limited licenses'.
Is this a reference to that one quote from a Ubisoft guy saying consumers should get used to not owning their games? Because if so congratulations you read a headline, moved on, and let that live in your head.
From that same interview: "The point is not to force users to go down one route or another," he explains. "We offer purchase, we offer subscription, and it's the gamer's preference that is important here. We are seeing some people who buy choosing to subscribe now, but it all works".
And he was also directly making a comparison between how people have come to widely accept Music and Movie streaming/subs.
"One of the things we saw is that gamers are used to, a little bit like DVD, having and owning their games. That's the consumer shift that needs to happen. They got comfortable not owning their CD collection or DVD collection. That's a transformation that's been a bit slower to happen in games"
Y'all love to read 1 quote without context that riles you up because "Ubisoft bad" and then refuse to look any further into it. It's embarrassing
I love it. I’ve supported GOG for years due to their policy on giving people actual digital ownership. My only complaint is that their library doesn’t even touch the numbers that Steam gets, so I usually end up buying games off GOG when I have the option to. Hopefully this news gets more developers to go over to GOG. If it were up to me, I’d buy 100% of my games off them.
ya. I do wish people would acknowledge the fact that GOG exist...so many people keep acting like the only options that isnt steam is EGS... I dont use GoG too much but I do have a fair handful of games on it all the same and it is very much my fall back if I ever need it.
That' the major issue with GoG, I don't really have the space but i gues installer files dont take up that much
I wish developers would stop treating GOG as this second-class citizen. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, fucking hell, it's irritating for no good reason.
Same here, I rarely buy from Steam these days. Sadly GOG is a small market and companies have little reason to release a game DRM free on day one if that means potential loss of sales. The blame is fully on consumer for not demanding all games to be DRM free, but hopefully this makes people think twice.
@@arnox4554 The reason why publishers avoid platforms like GOG is because:
a) You can literally copy game files and distribute them. If you buy the new Silent Hill 2 Remake on GOG (just pretend it's available there for arguments sake) what's stopping you from passing that onto a friend who wants the game? Zero DRM makes publishers avoid putting their biggest new games on GOG, which is why big hitters like Konami and Capcom only allow classic games from 20+ years ago to sell on there.
b) Lack of control. Companies like Capcom apply here, who want to keep an eye on things using Denuvo technology. Without DRM, they can't make sure you aren't modding games like RE2 remake.
I understand why DRM exists, but I feel like devs go too far with certain things. The online checks are one thing, but things like Denuvo, dictating whether or not people can mod a game, and straight up yoinking games out of people's libraries is an over reach that compromises my understanding, and makes me root for companies like GOG to have an uprising.
Imagine a world where every digital purchase store in existence is legally forced to change the "Buy" button to the "Rent" button.
That will hurt sales quite a bit broadly across all services.
This "Could" also create consumer outage which can cause a downward pressure on price. NOBODY wants to pay full retail price for "Rentals".
I remember a while ago, i think it was Gabe Newell that said it, that if Steam ever goes down or bust, youll be able to download all your games with no DRM. I may be misremembering.
Yes. He said they will tell everyone. Give out universal steam key. So there no drama on your account. And you have think said 3 months to download any of your purchases.
In short anything downloaded from steam will be playable too anyone with a steam universal key.
So it will be a mad dash to download whatever you have. And tons of us would torrent out and in each other's keys. Making pretty muching any game at that time illegal freeware till it gets fully scrubbed. Which never works.
Would it not be beneficial to say this publicity regardless of whether you were planning to do it or not just to boost consumer trust
@@MrKBS12 they don't need to. There is a ki ll switch in the code that removes the drm off all steam games if the servers are disabled.
@@BrandonDenny-we1rw Source?
@@zid9611 I'd like a source for this as well.
I know a lot of people here are from the US, but at least for us Australians this isn't really an issue because no matter what Valve says, they must follow our consumer protection laws to operate in the country, which protect us from bs like this and provides official channels for lawsuits if Valve/Steam were to violate them.
If you want to sell in Aus, everyone plays by the same rules. No exceptions.
It was always like this, it was always written in that wall of text that no one reads and clicks "I agree".
The only thing that changed is that now, Steam has to make that clear.
The “wall of text” you reference is the problem. You shouldn’t have to have a law degree to decipher a user agreement. These laws are meant to protect the consumer.
THANK YOU! SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY PAID ATTENTION! I've been screaming about this for over 16 years! You have no idea how nice it is to see that someone ELSE took it upon themselves to know the truth.
not clear, less muddy, but still cloudy enough to get by unoticed.
I find it interesting that it took this long for this topic to come to the forefront. It's been like this for...decades. This isn't new at all.
It's good that Steam and other platforms have to say it, but GOG even if it has some bugs it always has been the most fair platform next to Steam.
This is why it’s so important to own physical games, music, movies so if I were you, collect as much physical media as much as possible before it gets worse world wide.
What about games not available physically? What about games that require download of additional assets for the game to work?
There is also a problem with physical is that once you lose the console you can play it for shit. Its just a box covered in dust
The problem is for pc users disk drives are a thing if the past and most physical copies only have a digital code in console users are fine for now but eventually they'll get less and less honestly its a sad time
Physical is just as, if not worse, then digital
For one, what happens when the update servers go down? Have fun playing Cyberpunk 1.0
What about cases like Elden Ring, where the discs were printed so early in development that the 1.0 build on the disc is a updated version of the technical network test with MANY unfinished quests and even missing weapons and full on bosses
You can't collect new games, these new games are all digital there is no collecting there.
PC physical copy need a comeback, it drives me crazy that completely disappeared.
I can't tell you how many windows 95 and 98 games are demanding me to download Steam just so I can play them on a machine that doesn't have Steam downloaded and was a fresh windows XP installation (I specifically have a machine to be able to play these era of games. Most aren't playable unless Steam is installed) They absolutely WILL NOT even download unless Steam is installed.
It really doesn't make a difference if they make a comeback or not. I don't blame PC physical copies don't exist anymore and it's for the best. Every PC game that isn't from, say, Blizzard or Ubisoft or Rockstar (basically any game made by a company that has their own storefront) will require Steam just to download from the disc itself.
I'm generally against physical copies just because they take up space and it's unnecessarily wasteful. The idea behind it, I'm fine with, though.
@@omarmolina6800 and it's gonna happen to consoles as well until stupid people stop buying digital, and realize that we have all the power to stop it if we actually wise the f up
So now that we are not owning and only licensing, I believe the cost of licensing these games NEED to be lowered!
I mean, it's pretty obvious since Ubisoft took games away from us; games that WE paid for.
Yes! Support Stop Killing Games to fight ubisoft and their thievery!
I knew GOG would fire strays.
😒👍 GOG FTW
they can still take away your license, if you go online but if you downloaded the game before you license got yoinked it will stay in your pc.
@@MrSamadolfo They can't stop publishers from pulling licenses. They're gaslighting you to buy more games from them. Read the EULAs and Terms of Service, if you see Limited License in there, you do NOT own your game and no amount of GOG fluffing your nads will change that.
@@Slitheringpeanut GOG literally has offline installers
@@SlitheringpeanutBut with GOG you don't need the Galaxy store to download the games, you can just get the idol from the website and that can not be taken away
This is the true reason on why Physical copies and Piracy will forever continues to kickass as they will always be with you.
Till they get rid of disk drives . Not far off .
Physical media for games is useless because not all data is on the disc. You have to download a patch to decrypt files or update to latest version. That can also be used on music and movies. Copy enough data to claim all data is there but then you must connect online to update the information or to be safe for corporate, you must download additional data to decrypt the media which is a form of protection. And technically they would be right under the law and there will be nothing you can do.
@@Rimurutempest8833 They are already technically doing that. But if there is a will, there is a way.
GOG definitely deserves it’a praise for this recent event. I also would agree that if GOG’s success can be more widespread, then maybe more if not all storefronts can follow through.
With every further action taken against consumers, piracy becomes more justified and on a larger scale
I'm even becoming sick of drm that impacts actual paying customers, and you what doesn't have drm? The pirated versions.
It's been justified for nearly 20 years. They just lied to you, until when there's really nothing you can do anymore. You've not owned a single game you bought in the past 16 years, read the various terms or end user agreements, if you see the words Limited License, guess what! Not your game!
If we don’t own them why do we pay full price
kinda feel like pirating will get even bigger😅
The physical purchases that need to download something to play them is completely false. I've not have internet for a couple years because of financial issues and every physical game i bought i was able to put it in my ps5 and play it. There were glitchs yes, but i was able to play the game i bought fully lol. Only the online only part of the games dont work because obviously you needed internet for it "but obviously i only cared about the solo story open world offline mode of games."
Right? I've been playing games offline too so my friends wont know im on. I've played every solo ps5 games like elden ring and sparking zero
@@animegeek3109 thank you!!!! Exactly!! All these ignorant people are just making the problem worse by believing that when it's only a small percentage of games that require online. If more people actually held the damn line, we could avoid a future where gaming becomes a subscription service, and no one owns anything. It's so dumb
People always come to news like this to say how the solution is buying physical media, but remember that no, physical media nowadays is often a lie, just a fancy digital purchase, because:
- The box only has a digital code to download the game.
- There's a disc, but it only has a few files, the actual game must be downloaded and the disc is only a key.
- Sometimes, only parts of the game are available on disc, you can play without internet, but not the full game.
- You can play the game without internet with just a disc, but not the good version of the game, because at launch, the game is full of problems and you need to download a patch later or there's a patch since day 1.
- Sometimes, the patch is so big that you are almost downloading the whole game.
- You still need to connect to the internet to buy and download DLC.
- Online play is a vital part of the game, if servers close, you can still play offline, but you will have just a small slice of what the game used to be.
- Playing online requires constant updates to the most recent version.
- Many games are online-only, require a constant connection to the internet, even on single-player, and to make things worse, the servers often close, making your physical copy a paperweight.
If I didnt have a computer without a disc reader I would argue for the disc bit. But playing offline should be the norm with online beeing a secondary option. You wait bout 2 years after a release so everything is patched, added and complete as it should been on launch, with all content there.
I own many games and they all come complete on disc. I would much rather own a vanilla version of the game thsn be at the mercy of the publisher.
I hate how companies are selling you collector's edition with a DIGITAL CODE.
This absolutely sucks.
But also I think it's hopefully not all of this and just greedy companies using this as a means to get money into their already-filled pockets.
Bingo. And how long has it been this way? At least 10 years.
I am tired of seeing discussions around other people looking at this passively like "it is what it is" mentality that absolutely needs to change.
*W GOG* 💥💯
And if paying for a copy isn't OWNING a game, then pirating a game isn't "stealing".
You will own nothing and you will be happy 🙃
Not even your own lives...
You're referring to the WEF agenda. The same one that the democrats in office are pushing.
The majority of people who liked your comment probably don't even know what that is in reference to.
@@Ge0rge_0rwell nice name 😂 😉
"Eat ze bugs!"
Steam is how i ethically pirate games, dont care if i dont own the game on steam ive got it downloaded. just happy to pay the devs once
if its renting then pricing should go down, funny how only piracy allows real ownership.
I made the decision to buy all of my games from GOG thirteen years ago, and never looked back. I rarely spend money on Steam. Only when absolutely necessary.
Time to add GOG to my computer I guess.
Why? They can't stop Publishers from pulling games from your PC. Their no DRM policy doesn't change that.
Don't bother. Their no DRM policy means that all of their games can be pirated from a certain site with a very similar name. Save your money.
You are still only buying a license on GOG.
The games on GOG are DRM free.
DRM and a Game License are 2 completely different things.
@@HikariLight121 DRM free includes the storefront itself. You can backup offline installers. That sounds like ownership to me, regardless of what the publisher says. Physical games are also a licence, but they can't stop you from using them.
@@deprofundis442I own a copy of the Hobbit, but that does not mean i can go and make my own version of a movie of it as i do not own the rights to it. It is the same thing for games.
YOU DO NOT OWN THE RIGHTS TO THE GAMES.
This is a step in the right direction. We definitely need more pro-consumer laws in regard to digital media purchases. Especially with how easily we can lose access to this stuff.
To be honest they should change the wording from purchase to lease since purchase to most people implies you own it not you have permission to play it till the devs decide you can't.
Europe is the only place I see fixing this problem. We should own games it's plain as simple as that. If we rent a digital good on pc. We should be paying even less. Prices aren't equal to owning a product. This law was passed in california. Nothing we get to discuss or vote on. This law was clearly created to benefit publishers in california.
Omg I freaking LOVE GOG's response. It's the straight up truth, without undue embellishment. I play my GOG games when the internet's out.
...Is anyone seriously surprised you don't own DIGITAL goods? I raised this question a year ago on reddit on ow to backup steam games to at least run w/out steam (equivalent to what gog does) and i got called a dumbass for it... NOW YA'LL WORRIED?!
When a company (Valve) constantly tells you that "you can play the games you own even if Steam were to shut down permanently", then does a complete 180 to let everybody know they straight lied to our faces, it's less surprise and more frustration considering Steam is a platform hosting countless users that have several tens of thousands of games in their libraries thanks to bundle subscription services across the internet.
When you preach to everybody for decades that you own the games you buy on the platform and can still play them when the service is gone (and play countless games that get delisted from Steam), you garner a lot of respect and trust from countless people. To then up and turn around and say, "yeah, everything we've been preaching for 20 years was a lie, go fuck yourselves." people are rightfully allowed to get pissed or surprised.
I don't know how many different ways I can say the same thing to get this through peoples' skulls. Because, it's apparent that people conveniently forget Valve's history and the things they repeated for decades. They were good about allowing people to access games that aren't supported anymore. (Especially with all the games on Steam that still require Windows Live Services to save progress still being playable)
@@maverickrx8 So how long before steam mimics the broader market and starts nixing games you own? That last paragraph is reading a lot like -
"Don't panic, you don't need to ensure you still have your stuff in case the worst were to happen. Stop being silly."
Look man, glad it's coming out that people are FULLY aware that they don't own shit unless they get a physical copy but lets not put all our eggs into the basket of "this company has done good things for us- so we should trust them and not worry." Google and Microsoft once flew under that same banner and now they've both lived so damn long that we physically saw them turn from hero to villain.
And this is why I started shopping on GoG years ago.
Tbh I don't really have that much fears about it because the very fact you have the data on the disk *in* *your* *full* *control* means all just that has to be done is bypassing the any of the digital lock crap. Which no matter what any law says about that, is a thing that can be done, and is done every time.
Now all Steam has to do is just be GOG imho. And this goes away just like a Thanos snap.
That and with how emulators and cracked version exist it shouldn't be too hard to put two and two together i think while old games might vanish there will probably still be cracked versions that will live on in shady corners I mean its out on the Internet its permanently there
I think the issue is that eventually, potentially everything could be streamed. Ideally we nip this in the bud before we get to that point, cause if everything is streamed AND this current license "renting" method is still in play, things could get disastrous.
What I would like to see after this is digital version of games are cheaper in general than their physical versions, since digital doesn't have to deal with packaging, shipping, etc.
Me looking at my wall of physical games:
Also me: Nice!
Until the devices you own breakdown and can no longer be fixed because the parts are no longer in circulation, or the disc gets badly buggered and you can't replace it
Oh, that's adorable. That you think you're magically immune to all the Terms of Services or End User License Agreements. The Publishers LOVE people like you, so happily ignorant knowing that that you'll still buy their stuff. Because you somehow think you're the special snowflake that's outwitted multibillion dollar corporations that's pretty much controlled the entire industry and your choices for at least 20 years.
Me looking at my physical games:
Since 2000s they all need online activation, in example all physical copies of the Crew are just useless plastic.
Also me: Nice?
@@samuel10125exactly digital all day everyday and if you pirate put all those on a hardrive there yours forever.
@@16xthedetail76 you have the right idea. It's too bad there's a lot of ignorant people who argue against physical. Makes no sense
At least now we would know before we purchase a game
Damn GOG being cheeky af XD
I usually read the EULA before I install. And I usually agree. What this does is make the small text bigger now.
@@davidlanceescandor1310 You can't decline them, or else you'll be unable to play the game.
I know we're buying a license, but if companies could actually revoke your purchased games, that's going to be a big deal for many of us.
@@davidlanceescandor1310 You literally don't have a choice in the matter period. You either accept the EULA or you aren't allowed to play x game. You pay 70 dollars for a game that requires you to accept a eula to play and you don't accept, you now have a 70 dollar brick in your library. Enjoy.
When it comes to physical media as the correct way to preserve ownership Rights and games, to the people saying:
"what about the unifinished 1.0 version on disk?" - *Games should be a verified functioning and almost bug-free gold launch version on disc, on launch.*
"what about discs/media which doesn't have the whole game or any of the game on disc?" - *Every physical media launch should be required to have the full game on disc/media.*
"what about online requirements and DRM for single player games" - *Every single player game should be playable offline, period.*
*Until the above are guaranteed in law, piracy via cracked and repacked games, and cracked DRM, will be **_THE_** way to guarantee ownership over games, and long term storage.* 💯
It’s the most dogs**t thing I’ve ever heard. You don’t own the product u pay for. Than pirating should be legalized worldwide.but illegal to share the knowledge of how to pirate things.
That's why im limiting buying games online because I hate how they trying to overcharge us when were not playing games were done with. They mind as well give us refund back
@@zahirecoates same, I was the type of guy that bought most games the launch day, now I’m just wishlisting them and waiting for a discount. Sometimes just not buying it at all.
Hope this will trickle to other digital storefronts, And ultimately, Lead to us being able to truly purchase games.
Only time will tell. Physical or digital, it should still be something.
Going all digital is a mistake
Thank you for bringing attention to this issue Yong. It's one of the subjects I am most passionate about, and I always find it weaselly when people try to point out that even physical media or GOG grants a license rather than "ownership" as if this isn't anything more than a meaningless misdirection. In reality it is functionally equivalent to ownership whether we call it that or not, and that's all that really matters. I don't know why people are so opposed to the idea of actually owning the things they buy. Stop defending these companies.
WTF! I didn't know about GOG, buying my games from there from now on!!
That is why I buy my games on GOG when I can. Those offline installers are exactly what I want to see from every digital storefront
Took long enough for such a law to come into existence!
It's sad the majority of people only understood the repercussions of digital purchases only recently.
I wonder if this would bring a boom to physical game purchases? Or will laziness win out and no consumer habits change.
It would be the same as owning a Key to a house but not the house itself, digital games are quite bad when you think about it, their main appeal is convenience though
This just devalued every single video game in the digital industry to the point of them being worth pennies.
Remember when Valve used to tell us that we own every game we buy on Steam "EVEN IF STEAM NO LONGER EXISTS"? They conveniently left out that that isn't actually true and finally admitted that's not true.
You OWN the license to every game you buy on steam. You literally can not own the entire game unless you buy the rights to it from the IP/copyright holder for a cool couple millions. Your idea of ownership is not what the law is talking about when they say ownership.
if this is how paying for a game works, we as consumers deservw to know the EXACT length of the "liscense" we are buying. imagine renting a car, and you ask how long the rental options are, and they say "oh just whenever we decide you cant use it anymore". that should be ILLEGAL.
That's easy: your license lasts as long as Steam grants you a subscription to that license. If Steam allows that subscription to lapse for any reason(de-listing of a game, kicking a developer off their platform, etc.) your license...and your game goes away. I expect within the next five to ten years, a massive purging of Steam's outdated catalog of games, with this being the warmup for it.
When pirates provide the best customer service.... 😮
aww that one untraceable piece of malware rootkit that just seems to avoid detection with a normal antivirus
@@johnniewalker3134 Almost as if those are "false positives" almost all the time and when you actually look into the "malware", it's not actually some kind of virus.
Maybe use more than a singular brain cell when you're pirating.
If we are just renting them, then they should tone down the prices because nobody rents a game for the full price of a game. I still remember when I rented my Dreamcast games for 1 EUR per day
I love GOG a lot ❤Is the only place I can see all my games that I "own" on Steam and other places. And that trove of retro games, oh la la ~
God dude, i remember Steam saying shit like "If steam closed down, you'd be able to download your games and keep them" Waaaaaaaay back in the say
I hope this forces steam to come up with a contingency plan if valve goes out of business
It does, Gabe said that if it goes under, there is a kill switch for all of the steam DRM on games.
@@Bogglemanify if you mind me asking where did you hear this? cause every other source says that steam has no plan for when they go out of business
Piracy officially isn’t theft! 🥳
Piracy is still theft
@@luxxersits not
@@luxxers Stealing is still stealing, only if you get caught.
@@luxxers What if a company takes away your purchase? Are we still not allowed to pirate the game? I mean they already got our money.
@@luxxers
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't theft.
I was saving up for ps5 pro. Then seeing what it comes with and what it could do. I change my mind. So I decided to save up for a "Steam Deck Oled" now I see this?!? Just 2 more pay days I could get it, "not anymore"... what do we work for now, when nothing belongs to you.... thx for the heads brotha👊
You can still buy it just pirate your games that simple.
you missed the part where they deleted hotline Miami 2 off everyones ps5 in Australia the other week
never knew about this and now I am going to switch over to GOG
I am no longer purchasing anything in steam and going back to GOG. Sadly GOG is seriously lacking in the library.
The reason why is because GOG insists on all the games in their storefront be DRM free. Which, devs and publishers are hella resistant to, stupidly
how the hell is this fair? especially when we pay lots of money out of our own pocket to own games that we can play & enjoy.
Removing a digital game already paid for should be treated just like stealing a physical disk or cartridge.
There's a LOT of DRM in physical media, going all the way back to the '80s. GOG is the gold standard for preservation and ownership, not physical.
*_LONG LIVE THE HIGH SEAS, MY FELLOW SAILORS!!!_*
With scummy practices like this, I'm amazed the gaming industry hasn't collapsed yet but it shows that gamers will put up with a lot of nonsense.
Have you seen Madden Fifa players?!
They purchase same game every year with less features and buy stuff for ridiculous moolah/odds.
They just consoome, and hype up for same thing next year.
And there is plenty where that came from. (sigh)
I told anyone that would listen when this first came out. You own nothing once it's digital. Get you a physical copy
I can still play Jade Empire and Max Payne on Windows 10. Without a hard copy. Both are +/- 20 years old by now.
And even if at some point they really start deleting our steam library, I'm pretty sure someone will stand up and find a way to offer those games again. (for a price.)
People have been downloading movies and music since the beginning of the internet and even way before that there were 3rd parties that offered games in bulk on a cd.
I think it was called Twilight? Those were the days. Worms!
There are actually a ton of games that are DRM free and you can just put them from the steam folder to a flash drive for storage.
Steam is going to be around for a long time so I'm not worried at all.
Other question is "Why are we paying full price if we don't own it!?" In an industry that has day-one DLC, pre-order bonuses for paying extra, and day-one season passes how are they not making enough??? How is this anything but milking people's wallets????
So we should all start torrenting copies of everything in our Steam libraries.
They shouldn’t even be able to utilize a “Buy”, or “Purchase”button. It should say “Rent Now”.
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Part of me got back into retro-gaming (Genesis/MD, Saturn, Gamecube, GBA, and PS Vita) because of this very topic and issue. My licensed backlog on Steam, PSN and Xbox has grown so damn much, it would literally take me several years to catch up with the entire thing. Only thing that kept crossing my mind was, what if those companies decided to stop supporting my generation of games in those backlogs.
Pretry muchmost ps4 and back, we own our physcal media 100% but most ps5 and xbox x or watevwr stupid name they use now and half of switchs little cartridges arr empty cases/disks that require immediate patch update thst really is the entire game… that is some scummy stuff right there. Screw all these corporations. Glad to wait for sales to hit ur wallet since i dont own it right?
Steam's updated language still uses the word "purchase." Isn't that prohibited in the new law?
Their excuse is, we purchase a license.
Wasnt this always the case? Well i switched to only buying old gsmes on 50%+ sale or in a cheap bundle. Gaming still provides me with more entertainment, still more affordable than other goods and services. Every industry has gotten worse and worse but gaming is the only hobby where you can still lots of good quality free or deep discount experiences. Other hobbies cost an arm and a leg and older products tend to be discontinued forever or cost 10000% the original price due to scalpers.
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy...
We gamers need to force them to actively change this so we own it not license it this sounds like theft real theft after we purchase games they should legally belong to us or at least our copies belong to us... this is ridiculously stupid and im not actively sure if it is actively legal either... because once a regular product hits shelves its not like the company can come back and make alterations once its already on sale... i think we need to make games this way too so when the game hits the store shelves the game companies cannot legally change their game without launching a new version
If buying a game isn’t ownership, piracy isn’t stealing.
It's a well known fact that most sales of a game occur in the first few months, usually around 95%. I think a good model for developers would be to grant all players access to a DRM-free copy 12 months after release. That would reduce piracy around the time of launch, and would ensure that players have full access thereafter, the best result for both devs and players.
For multiplayer games it's more complicated, it's hard to give players DRM-free offline access to something that requires servers like Fortnite. Perhaps there could be a clause that would ensure that if the player count dropped below a certain value or if the developer/publisher is liquidated, then either the source code or server tools would be released for allowing communities to host their own server if they desire.
Looks like we all have more of a reason to use GOG over other online retailers. I wonder how many refund requests that steam and other online retailers are going to get. I wonder when the lawsuits will start. A majority of consumers point out, that this was not made obvious when making a purchase. I wonder if they'll have to do the same thing with the "physical" media that is sold these days. In most cases, it's just a disc that has an installer file on it. It's not the actual game.
I "own" close to 1000 games on steam. Even at current pricing, thats thousands of dollars worth of digital product that my account has built over the years. It terrifies me to consider all of it taken away on a whim due to no fault of mine own...
You only purchase license from day 1, you don’t own any digital goods, it’s just become more layman terms now.
Physical media is forever.
Physical media degrades over time. It only lasts if you copy it which basically means it is digital in the GOG sense
Disc rot would like a word
@@DynamicSystem Physical nowadays is just a reusable install key. And plenty of games require an internet connection eg. hitman world of assassination. I also was unable to play Xbox 360 games which required installing e.g. Evil within, Watch dogs and Halo 4 until something was fixed. Physical copies won't help with modern gaming unless they put the game on it again.
Unfortunately it's not. Since if you own a game that requires a server or internet connection, you might not be able to download required files. Looks good on the shelf though.
@@TheChaosDragoness exactly! I see people talking about disc rot in the comment section. I have yet to experience one "rotten" disc. My original Xbox discs all run perfectly. I'm sittin pretty with my collection of nothing but physical games
This is why I try to buy physical games as much as possible, and get digital games cheap as much as possible or buy from GOG.
For reference... Here in Canada, new games- say, Metaphor: Refantazio- cost $93.49. At the same time, there is a sales tax on all games, meaning we're tacking on $12.15 as well... And Steam has the fucking BALLS to suggest that we don't own games, despite paying EXACTLY $105.64 for them???
For the past 3 years, I have been trying to redownload TLOU on ps3 and it keeps getting stuck at a 99%. This is the reality hitting me even if I knew this could happen.
This doesn't make sense. Why can't we own something? How is this possible? Why would anyone agree to this?
Wow, makes you wonder if Steam takes a huge hit with this. GOG showing receipts that perhaps Steam has benefited from consumer ignorance without anything but legal backlash to spook it between the lines. I’ll be looking to GOG for future purchases.
It's a start to spread awareness.
Still push for a 'Right to own act' -*DRM-FREE* digital options.
DRM-FREE versions to be sold alongside the corporate controlled ones.
I agree, laws should be made to force all games to come with an installer regardless of what they are just like GoG.
They should not charge full price if we do not own these items.
This will just encourage people to buy the handheld emulators. I think this situation might help the emulator market
They should be made to include the specific sentence of: “you will not own this game after purchase”. Many people don’t understand what licensing means for gaming.
It's annoying for me as a game dev. The Crew was a game that I worked on, and it's horrible that my physical copy is entirely redundant, and I can't play the single-player portion to view my work in years to come. It makes me think that they want to kill Retro gaming and nostalgia as it conflicts with companies that make worse quality games or profit from remakes.