to reiterate how bad the SB shove was on the first hand, if you have nut hearts on bottom, then you autoscoop him bc you have a pair of Aces on top with your Ah.
I love jamming the nut bottom vs the 3322 top for the very reason he said. Villain could easily have a naked 3 plus a decent diamond flush in which case now you are free rolling him. Plus you're gonna call it off on the river anyway, so why not take the aggressive line in this case in which your nut flush is so protected because of your emergency J7?
At 25:20, talking about the advanced play of bluffing with a naked nut card for one side, to squeeze out a better hand: small blind knows, to a 99% certainty, that you have the Ah. If he can't beat aces-up, squeezing out the big blind probably does him no good. So yeah, a naked nut flush blocker and a set or straight can make that play, especially with a second flush on the bottom board. But when he can't beat your likely aces-up on the top board, that's the equivalent of bluffing against an all-in player with an empty side pot. It is very unlikely to gain, and has multiple ways to lose that combine to well over 60%.
In the first hand, if the SB has 4-5 for the wheel draw on the top board and the King of clubs in their hand, would the jam make more sense as a bluff to push out the BB? Edit: I paused the video to make this comment, just hit play and heard Bart’s commentary talking through this exact possibility! Nice
Do the math. If you raise smaller you win less than 1k. If you think there's fold equity which there might be...if you pot it you take down both boards for 1k. Kindve prefer that myself. In the 2bd hand I'd pot the turn because I think you're freroling him. He likely has a 3 and won't fold and you're free rolling him w diamonds and you pretty much have the other board locked up. If a diamond comes on the top he might fold just a 3 on the river where he won't fold now.
This first hand is really easy to play because we hit the unsharable nuts on one board on the river. The really difficult spots I find in PLO double board bomb pots are the ones where we flop a nut straight on one board, but have mediocre value on the other board. These spots are so tricky to play.
Was talking to a fellow grinder, and we discussed you play nut straights very cautiously. Nut straights, even on the river, is a recipe for getting quartered or worse. Essentially we agreed that keeping the pot as small as possible is best, even folding nut straights on the flop if theres significant action.
if you have nuts no redraw on one side, and mediocre value on the other, it's similar to a middling pair in NLHE right? You have decent equity but can't sustain pressure, so you underrealize your equity unless you're in position, and fold to any serious pressure. Pretty hard to get to the river with a straight and no play at the other pot in most situations, too many run-outs where you're at risk of getting scooped or quartered (unless you have redraws)
I play at a room where they run a $5 double board bomb pot every round. The player with the "bomb" gets to pick the game, usually 5 hole cards(for 8 players, sb has to sit out on a full table) and 2 boards but it's no limit the whole way. Gets pretty crazy. this is in a 1/2 game with a 400 cap and no rake(seat fee).
I was introduced to double bomb pots at our local poker room in Virginia Beach back in March at every dealer change. It was only 2card NLH at the time, then switched to 4 card some time during the summer. I remember scooping one when I had Q♣️T♦️. I have a pic, but Can’t remember the exact action… the boards were 4♥️Q♥️5♦️Q♠️Q♦️ and K♦️J♥️6♠️A♣️2♠️. 2 guys also all in by the river with JJ and KJ . I was 🤯😬
SB in hand 1 is so stupid :) Wanted to point out something interesting in hand 2: If SB had simply just a set on the bottom board, it has the caller in bad shape since caller has no pair on the top. He's drawing to the 5-out flush if the SB has AA and + 6 outs for a king or a jack if the SB has 77. Important to realize that simply just AA is all the SB needs to be ahead of the caller. In this case, SB has 8 outs on the bottom whereas the caller has 5 outs on the top. This can't be considered a freeroll for the SB since the caller can scoop but the SB has the advantage.
Somehow I'm missing the part where we find out what villain had on hand 2? I watched it, missed it, then skipped around looking for it and can't find it.
Its a mistake to not push on a turn with nuts flush. We are never folding any river, so we can hope that oponent dont have 32 on a top one and folds! What is the advantage to just call? Only reason I can think to push him off from the spot on a river
Just realized a point in the first hand, can never give the guy credit for that play even if we wanted because it’s impossible for him to be good if we have nut hearts and the other board is A high don’t we always have at least a pair of aces on that board? 🤔
If there was only a $10 ante, how was the small blind able to open for $250 on the flop? Was it not pot limit? I play 1/2 games in Austin, with a $5 ante double board PLO bomb pot. I make a lot of money on them, and our players are not nearly as bad as the opponents this player is up against. Really incredible.
24:00 That re-raise could gain him the top over the big blind with his KK. HOWEVER....The Ac on the top board makes this INSANITY. If he understands you have the nut hearts, he should also know that you have a pair of aces and beat him on top. If he had something better than aces up, then such a play is more defensible since now he isolates your nut hearts to chop and you probably cannot beat him Remove the Ace from the top board and *Maybe* this re-raise has merit.
If you are calling to win only half the pot where you know you are losing the other side you are getting 1:2 $100 to win $50. Not you having one side locked up
Sorry but you both wrong, If you bet $100 and inly have one board lock, you are not making any money, just breaking even unless you get both board you get 1:1.
@@josecavazos6139 The issue discussed in the video was calling when you know you are losing one side. If the pot is $100 and your opponent bets $100 you are calling $100 to win $50
Talking about having KdQd and blocking the second nuts was a huge eye opener for me. Thanks B
I’ve always loved listening to your reviews of hands! You do an awesome job!
to reiterate how bad the SB shove was on the first hand, if you have nut hearts on bottom, then you autoscoop him bc you have a pair of Aces on top with your Ah.
What a gift. Just an absolute GIFT!!!
Plenty of double board plo in Texas. Every dealer change in 2/5nl (30min). And double board bomb pot tables. Thanks for the great content!
I love jamming the nut bottom vs the 3322 top for the very reason he said. Villain could easily have a naked 3 plus a decent diamond flush in which case now you are free rolling him. Plus you're gonna call it off on the river anyway, so why not take the aggressive line in this case in which your nut flush is so protected because of your emergency J7?
Please do like a dual podcast with nice a month on your website. This was excellent to listen to.
At 25:20, talking about the advanced play of bluffing with a naked nut card for one side, to squeeze out a better hand: small blind knows, to a 99% certainty, that you have the Ah. If he can't beat aces-up, squeezing out the big blind probably does him no good. So yeah, a naked nut flush blocker and a set or straight can make that play, especially with a second flush on the bottom board. But when he can't beat your likely aces-up on the top board, that's the equivalent of bluffing against an all-in player with an empty side pot. It is very unlikely to gain, and has multiple ways to lose that combine to well over 60%.
Resorts World in Vegas has a double board PLO bomb pots ONLY game on Tuesday and Thursday. Super fun and super profitable.
My favorite cash game format. We have daily all-bomb-pot tables at TCH Austin.
Thanks for this.
What is the best Poker bros Club to play PLO double board ?@Bart
16:57 all in for sure for fold equity.
In the first hand, if the SB has 4-5 for the wheel draw on the top board and the King of clubs in their hand, would the jam make more sense as a bluff to push out the BB?
Edit: I paused the video to make this comment, just hit play and heard Bart’s commentary talking through this exact possibility! Nice
❓How to convince the nitty management at my local room to do double board bomb pots (mich less PLO) vs current single board Hold Em bomb pots!??? 🤷♂️
Do the math. If you raise smaller you win less than 1k. If you think there's fold equity which there might be...if you pot it you take down both boards for 1k. Kindve prefer that myself. In the 2bd hand I'd pot the turn because I think you're freroling him. He likely has a 3 and won't fold and you're free rolling him w diamonds and you pretty much have the other board locked up. If a diamond comes on the top he might fold just a 3 on the river where he won't fold now.
This first hand is really easy to play because we hit the unsharable nuts on one board on the river. The really difficult spots I find in PLO double board bomb pots are the ones where we flop a nut straight on one board, but have mediocre value on the other board. These spots are so tricky to play.
Was talking to a fellow grinder, and we discussed you play nut straights very cautiously. Nut straights, even on the river, is a recipe for getting quartered or worse. Essentially we agreed that keeping the pot as small as possible is best, even folding nut straights on the flop if theres significant action.
@@disphugginflip9279 agreed. And If you flop a nut straight on one board with pretty much nothing on the other, you really need to just check/fold.
if you have nuts no redraw on one side, and mediocre value on the other, it's similar to a middling pair in NLHE right? You have decent equity but can't sustain pressure, so you underrealize your equity unless you're in position, and fold to any serious pressure.
Pretty hard to get to the river with a straight and no play at the other pot in most situations, too many run-outs where you're at risk of getting scooped or quartered (unless you have redraws)
I play at a room where they run a $5 double board bomb pot every round. The player with the "bomb" gets to pick the game, usually 5 hole cards(for 8 players, sb has to sit out on a full table) and 2 boards but it's no limit the whole way. Gets pretty crazy. this is in a 1/2 game with a 400 cap and no rake(seat fee).
Portland, OR?
Final table poker
How do I get in a game with villain #1?
I was introduced to double bomb pots at our local poker room in Virginia Beach back in March at every dealer change. It was only 2card NLH at the time, then switched to 4 card some time during the summer. I remember scooping one when I had Q♣️T♦️. I have a pic, but Can’t remember the exact action… the boards were 4♥️Q♥️5♦️Q♠️Q♦️ and K♦️J♥️6♠️A♣️2♠️. 2 guys also all in by the river with JJ and KJ . I was 🤯😬
SB in hand 1 is so stupid :)
Wanted to point out something interesting in hand 2:
If SB had simply just a set on the bottom board, it has the caller in bad shape since caller has no pair on the top. He's drawing to the 5-out flush if the SB has AA and + 6 outs for a king or a jack if the SB has 77. Important to realize that simply just AA is all the SB needs to be ahead of the caller. In this case, SB has 8 outs on the bottom whereas the caller has 5 outs on the top. This can't be considered a freeroll for the SB since the caller can scoop but the SB has the advantage.
Somehow I'm missing the part where we find out what villain had on hand 2? I watched it, missed it, then skipped around looking for it and can't find it.
Its at 35:31
32, everyone loves a chopped pot 😁
Its a mistake to not push on a turn with nuts flush.
We are never folding any river, so we can hope that oponent dont have 32 on a top one and folds!
What is the advantage to just call?
Only reason I can think to push him off from the spot on a river
This was great. Thanks again.
Bert Hammbone?
Just realized a point in the first hand, can never give the guy credit for that play even if we wanted because it’s impossible for him to be good if we have nut hearts and the other board is A high don’t we always have at least a pair of aces on that board? 🤔
If there was only a $10 ante, how was the small blind able to open for $250 on the flop? Was it not pot limit?
I play 1/2 games in Austin, with a $5 ante double board PLO bomb pot. I make a lot of money on them, and our players are not nearly as bad as the opponents this player is up against. Really incredible.
I’m wondering the same.
Also why was Hero’s all in only 2750 out of the 3750?
SCOOOP!
27:25 op might have AA3? or even 663 or even A63? Better be careful here.
He had 23 what?? Big difference between 23Q4 and 23A6
I woulda pot hand 1… people don’t know how to play u want to always pot if u have nuts one side. Look at that guy potting with 2nd nuts.
24:00
That re-raise could gain him the top over the big blind with his KK. HOWEVER....The Ac on the top board makes this INSANITY. If he understands you have the nut hearts, he should also know that you have a pair of aces and beat him on top. If he had something better than aces up, then such a play is more defensible since now he isolates your nut hearts to chop and you probably cannot beat him Remove the Ace from the top board and *Maybe* this re-raise has merit.
A better game would be 5 cards each player. ...one flop...one turn...then 2 rivers.......would be much easier to scoop.
Villain loses to Ace high hearts with a single pair of aces on the top board so it’s an even worse play 25:00
No. If you’re calling a pot bet of $100 and have one side locked up, you’re getting 1.5:1 ($100 to get $150). Not $100 to get $50 (1:2).
If you are calling to win only half the pot where you know you are losing the other side you are getting 1:2 $100 to win $50. Not you having one side locked up
Sorry but you both wrong,
If you bet $100 and inly have one board lock, you are not making any money, just breaking even unless you get both board you get 1:1.
@@josecavazos6139 The issue discussed in the video was calling when you know you are losing one side. If the pot is $100 and your opponent bets $100 you are calling $100 to win $50
Why does it take so long to get to the facts or info. So much fluff. Less words more info please.