Inside China's Reusable Rocket Program
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Let's look at the state of China's reusable rocket program as of mid-2023, discussing who the main players are, different technologies and strategies, and future perspectives.
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00:00 Intro
00:51 Early days
01:57 2018-2020: The first successful launches
02:56 Engines: Solid vs Liquid, Make or Buy
05:16 Funding
06:10 2022-2023: Major milestones
07:43 Expendable first, reusable later
09:00 Future commercial contenders
12:06 State-owned reusable rocket efforts
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Credits for various visuals: CASC, CASIC, Deep Blue Aerospace, JZYJ, Landspace, Space Pioneer, Space Epoch, iSpace, Linkspace, CAS Space, CAST, CALT, CNSA, CMSA, SpaceX, NASA. - Наука та технологія
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The more competition the better the technology will advance. Whoever comes out of it at the end will get their mark in history.
But there will be a lot of waste, like waste of money and double effort in reaching the same goal. I was hoping the government will make these companies join forces. Instead of 20 companies all developing the same thing. Maybe create 3-4 groups with only two groups competing for say liquid fuel rockets. And to drive innovation and competition, the companies in the losing group will be absorbed into the winning companies. this way, each companies in the group has motivation to share and work for common good.
@@twlamSG so it’s all about keeping the balance
Same approach!
@@twlamSG The private LSPs market in China is at its early stage. They will compete with each others in next 3~5 years. Some of them will lose and mergers and acquisitions will happen
China will fast follow and get there with less effort than the inventors.
Absolutely fascinating and comprehensive coverage of Chinese rocket programmes. I hadn't realised that there were so many companies. There must be a good chance that at least a few will be successful.
98% of what is happening in china is never reported in western media, they only report on negative news
And then when the tech got more mature, there will be some consolidation of these private companies into a few large companies, each specialising in difference aspects or sectors of the space industry. Smaller companies will then be relegated to the roles of specialist product development.
@@112313 around the world, lots of promising rocket companies fail and disappear. SpaceX came within one launch of going bankrupt. But it will be important for Chinese rocket companies to attract international payload customers.
they compete for funding and public support, just like chinese EV market. people who have no idea how sinocretic state works often discriminate state owned enterprises,
Successful? They will be nationalized!
UA-cam needs more and more young and talented people like you.
China's space development is getting better and exciting. Well done Dongfang for the informative episode
See you again here
all tied to the CCP military
they are definition of never back down
Thanks for the clear overview! Can barely keep up with China's boundless amounts of private launch companies 😂
Elon is greedy... O come on Elon share your falcon technology with China 🇨🇳... not your starship tho .. hmmmm.. yet if you're willing to share your falcon technology with China 🇨🇳 China will help you solve the problem of your starship... yup.. hmmmm..
China have a huge bank account you know..
And yeah it is a sensible idea for our human species ambitions to conquer space and time..😊.. hmmmm..
PRIVATE Do you understand it Ha ha ha
I got tired of only hearing about SpaceX. Im glad I found this video, very interesting. Thank you.
Among the private Chinese companies, IMO Space Pioneer may be faster than others. They tested TH11 (second stage) in real flight. Their experience of liquid rocket is richer than other competitors. They could just swap the engines of the first stage of Tianlong-2 to make a reusable-ready rocket.
Fully agree with you. I think that Landspace can be a fast mover as well, depending on if their 2nd ZQ-2 flight in June is successful 🧐
Private ha ha ha ha
@@DongfangHour Expendable Yes, Reusable IDK. With current configuration they need to change a lot to make it reusable. 3.35 diameter + JSLC pad means they have to develop new engines.
If it wasn't for the Western technology they copy,
there would be no Chinese rocket "program".
@@miennam2296 no such thing as private in China, everything is tied to the CCP \ PLA
Holy cow, so much variety and approaches! I can feel the energy. The progress made is astonishing.
Second to none. Absolutely the most updated and in depth analysis on China space program
Thanks!
Ich danke Dir für so viele interessanten Einblicke. Diese Informationen werden hier im "tollen" Westen kaum verkündet.
English, bozo, do you speak it?
Zeig diesem Kanal und dessen internationalem Publikum bitte respekt, anstatt hier eine Sprach-Insel in den Kommentaren aufzubauen. Please respect the international nature of this channel and its audience and don't create language bubbles in the comment section.
@@Yutani_Crayven Warum muss man Englisch sprechen? Er kann jede Sprache verwenden, die er will.
@@Yutani_Crayven Ich habe den allergrößten Respekt für diesen Kanal, nur sind meine Kenntnisse der englischen Sprache sehr unzureichend und begrenzt. Wenn Du damit keine Probleme hast, ist das ja wunderschön, für Dich Yutani. Ich bin schon ein etwas älteres Semester und habe damals in der Schule eher die russische Sprache gelernt. Das würde hier aber auch nicht so gut ankommen. Danke für Dein Verständnis. ;-)
Thank you so much for this comprehensive and well-researched informational video. You have no idea how refreshing it is to watch such an insightful video about China's space exploration, which was not generated by some AI or narrated by one! 😂.
Thanks for your kind words! Really encouraging :)
Good work
Fascinating video on Chinese private space launch programs. Thanks for the insight.
Why haven't i find this channel before!
Definitely a new subscriber.
Welcome! :)
Would you please make a video introducing China's manned moon mission? Like what is the plan, where they are right now?
There’s one coming up in the coming weeks 😉
@@DongfangHour Long march 10 !!!
2030，just declared
Awesome summary of the private and state rocket sectors in China Jean!
Wishing them the best of luck, space is hard, making a rocket reusable is even harder.
Thanks Eric! 🙏
Very High quality video full of new info, Thank you and well done.
Glad you enjoyed it Ian 🙂
Fascinating indeed. Very well researched and great edit and production. It's the 1st video ive watched.. new sub❤
Good video. Very informative indeed!
Nice job, great video… keep up the good work. Appreciate it 👍👍👍
Thanks 🙏
Thanks for the video
Thank you for another very informative video. This information is simply not to be found on other channels. You’re going to look prescient in retrospect….
Thanks Jeffrey! This one took quite a while to make, glad you enjoyed it 🙂
@@DongfangHour I can believe it; it shows.
Fascinating content and well presented, liked and subscribed!🚀🚀👍👍
Thanks for the kind words 😊
Very nice
❤❤❤❤❤Great presentation.❗️🌷Glad you are back🌷❗️🙏
Thx for the update 😮
Great overview, thank you Jean! As a side episode, I would love to watch an overview of the European reusable rocket landscape :)
Sir, your program is very well made. Please keep it up.
the video was worth the weight. excellent job, clear, thorough and balanced. keep it up jean
Thanks @kumbackquatsta 🙏🏻
🙏+1🙏
Thanks for the video. It is quite informative.
Lots of good ideas out there. Great success to all.
Thank for info buddy
excellent job.
Super-interesting. Thank you.
Well done. thanks
Thanks @silversurfergw! Much appreciated! 🙏🏻
That tether system looks cool.
what a great video, on the level of everydayastronaut but for Chinese rockets, subscribed!
Thanks, and welcome !
If you use the QR code, please remember you have super seniors in your audience. I have 3 grandsons and I need to keep updated with them. They love your programs.
Fantastic video thank you for the update
Heard about LM9 rocket had done some test firing. Look forward to reading your report.
Pretty exciting and all but would like to see more groups integrating the reusability with a nuclear thermal rocket. However, probably only state-owned companies will be allowed to do so and it's pretty difficult with the neutrons smacking against the material. The Keldysh Research Center displayed its idea of one but no physical unveilings.
Nice
Thank you sir more competition the better
The government should just post performance targets and let those private companies bid on contracts. For larger projects, the government should provide R&D budgets for final round companies so they can develop the necessary hardware
that tethered recovery is elegant and genius!
It has been done before, they just copied it.
@@linmal2242 copium
Thanks!
Thanks for the support! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
galactic energy's black colorway is so sick. they need an all-red rocket series next
red paint is expensive!
Agreed. Galactic Energy's Black rockets look awesome!
Apparently newer Galactic Energy Rocket is now white. I heard its due to Black paint absorbing too much heat and make it difficult when use on rocket with cryogenic fuel.
we need a spaceplane update video
❤ So many interesting developments!
These Chinese rocket companies don’t hesitate to copy what works, and that’s SpaceX’s Falcon 9 reusable boosters. Other companies both in the US and Europe chose different approaches from saving just the engine to reusable sections which use aerodynamic features to glide back to Earth.
support❤
I have never heard the names of China-owned private aerospace companies before. Naturally surprising for fellow Asian countries.
One way to attract more eyeballs for a wider audience is to add two words to title of each video frequently. I am talking about spacex and space race/war. Anyway, money is important and the majority of people are stupid. It help with reaching your goals
Lol. That’d attract the exact type of audience this channel needs *wink*
你是懂标题的🤣
CAn you comment on the steerable fins seen on the shenzhou 16. Why are they there?
I just discovered your channel, and I'm already loving it. I appreciate all the information you have included in this video, especially considering that in the West we often don't get much information regarding the Chinese space program.
You're very welcome! 😊
Very informative ty and keep up the good work all. Thumbs up given !
Great video! Very accurate and updated facts with just the right amount of comments. The channel need to put out a wechat QR code to amass the support from the Chinese audience ❤
Haha thanks!
WeChat Pay would be a good idea, but you need a Chinese bank account though, which I don't have.
Awesome ! very good content!
"Reusable" is a broad term. It has a landing gear, but is the rest of the rocket "reusable"? How many cycles before overhaul for major components?
Space X launched falcon 9 like 14 times on the same rocket
13:14 space planes are needed to replace a vintage 1960s brute force mentality vertical flight where schematic cross section implies it uses a synergistic air breathing rocket engine or a liquid air cycle engine from Reaction Engines Ltd.
See patents by Mutsuro Bundo, Hector D"Auvergne, and Xcor to use upward angular acceleration and aerodynamic lift.
Aerodynamic lift and aero engines work up to 20 000m. That is about 1/20th of the way to a LEO orbit. You cannot change that hard fact. Maybe the Russian "glide back to base" concept could provide a few percents of economic efficiency.
You should talk about Tengyun Project, which is TSTO, another way to usable space entery
I’ve considered it 🙂 it’s just that for now there is only a limited amount of documented info on Tengyun. It would be helpful if CASIC could provide a more comprehensive update
@@DongfangHour You definitely should, they are severely underrated IMO. The engineering and aerodynamics involved are insane! There are some Chinese channel(飞羽社) that gathered all the info about the Tengyun project and CSSHQ too. (飞羽社 腾云计划/ 飞羽社 中国可复用航天器 in UA-cam) These videos are great and they deserve more recognition than the reusable rockets!
lol ... I have that very same JWST t-shirt!
Haha 😆 I got it on Etsy last year. A fantastic design
0:04 As a Chinese, I have to say I have never heard these names in my life 😂
As an Australian I can say I have definitely heard of these Chinese companies.😊
The SpaceX influence is huge, it seems
do you know anything about Orienspace?
The maiden launch of their Gravity-1 rocket is scheduled for the end of the year. I didn't mention this rocket in the video as it's solid-fueled.
Otherwise they're developing their own liquid-fueled engine, the Yuanli-85, for their Gravity-2 medium-lift rocket.
banger
🙏Thank you very much for the informative overview/summary🙏👍🙂
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Why the landing design look so similar?
I bet there are more creative people out there have new re landing concept.
Thank - you . ( 2023 / Aug / 28 )
"This is in part due to the difficulties to source solid fuelled engines from state-owned enterprises." Hmm, how curious. In an entirely unrelated development, China's nuclear arsenal is claimed to be undergoing a massive expansion and modernization. Usually I would just dismiss this as US hysterics, but I cannot dismiss the 300 new silos being dug in the Gobi desert, new PLARF brigades being stood up, a new gargantuan nuclear submarine shipyard, new types of ICBM (DF-45) and SLBM (JL-3) in development, the entry into service of the DF-41, etc. I think all of China's solid motor production is spoken for.
It's all for the best, really. China's strategic deterrent gets a much needed credibility boost and commercial entities are forced down the liquid fuel path, which is the only feasible path to reusability.
I saw a pics that were from the building wind farms and they used that in the article about silos. Could still be true though
None of this would have occurred or been necessary if the US hadn't withdrawn from the ABM treaty and restarted development of tactical nukes. It's as though the US thinks other countries are brainless or cannot react.
They are just bases for wind generators as the spacing is not optimal for surviving a nuclear strike. Fixed launch sites are easy targets. China prefers mobile launchers as they are difficult to locate and target especially as China has a no first use policy.
China es un país fantástico. Su pueblo es único en muchos sentidos. Esta nación es ancestral, pero en serio. China es 2,000 años más antigua que el Imperio Romano. Los Romanos ya desaparecieron y los Chinos siguen vigentes como pueblo. Los Chinos han superado cantidad de broncas internas. Las más severas iniciaron en el siglo XVIII y terminaron en el siglo XX, cuando su territorio fue ocupado por 6 potencias europeas (más Japón), que la destrozaron, la corrompieron, y la envilecieron con Opio. Aún y todo, ellos sobrevivieron pese a guerras y más guerras. Apenas iniciado el siglo XX, entre los años 1911-1949 hubieron: --Revolución de Xinhai, con el fallido Golpe de Estado del nuevo Imperio ("Muera Qing. Viva Han"). --Segunda revolución de Xinhai. --Guerra de Unión para la protección nacional. --Guerra de Otoño de 1927. --Las luchas internas de los "Señores de la Guerra" en China. Luego: --Protección contra el Imperio de Japón en la Segunda Guerra Mundial. --Segunda Guerra Civil China. ¡Tremendo! Después de 38 años de guerras continuas, les llegó la "Gran Hambruna" (1959-1961). El "Gran Salto Adelante", de Mao. Con una mortandad de casi 2 millones de Chinitos. Aunque la Propaganda nos ha hecho creer que se murieron de hambre 10 millones. Como si 2 millones no fuese una cantidad terrible. ¡Horrorosa! En fin. Sigo: En 1971, y según la OCDE, China ocupaba el lugar 44 de las economías mundiales. Ya para 1999, China estaba en el quinto puesto. En tan sólo tres décadas, China había logrado sacar de la pobreza a 800 millones de Chinos. Semejante hazaña se logró con TRABAJO y con DISCIPLINA. Hoy, China ocupa el segundo lugar... y esto lo consiguieron sin atacar a nadie, sin tirar un maldito cañonazo, sin Robar ni recursos ni territorios, sin invadir, y sin romperle las pelotas a sus vecinos. Con todo lo dicho, ¿acaso no es para hacerles a ellos una reverencia de reconocimiento? China es un país admirable. China pasó de la "Gran Hambruna" a súper potencia en 30 años. En seguida, puso en órbita su propia Estación Espacial, para luego poner a 6 robots avanzados en la superficie de Marte. Una proeza que se consiguió sin fastidiar a nadie. Sin meterse con nadie. ¡Ah! Pero a Occidente (USA), no le gustó nada de lo que China había logrado. Para el año 2002, se preparó una campaña de PROPAGANDA para convencernos de que en China se esclavizaba; de que se traficaba con órganos infantiles; de que no se respetaban los Derechos Humanos. ¡Jáh! Convencernos de que en la “Gran Hambruna” murieron de hambre 10 millones, luego que 25 millones, después que fueron 100. Como si casi 2 millones de Chinos muertos por hambre no fuera un número ¡Espantoso! La Propaganda buscaba escandalizar, pero, en las Olimpiadas de Beijín 2008 todo eso se derrumbó por la fuerza de los Hechos Verificables. Incluso hoy, intentan convencernos de que China, muy pronto, colapsará económicamente. Pues no fue así. Veinte años después del inicio de las campañas difamatorias, vemos que China no ha parado de crecer. Su Clase Media es saludable y con movilidad en ascenso. Y en vez de irse a la baja, China repunta para ocupar el primer lugar de las Economías Mundiales. Lo dicho aquí, es una Verdad Absoluta y no Propaganda. China no ROBA ni territorios ni recursos a nadie. China no interfiere en los asuntos internos de ninguna nación. China no es ni Imperialista ni Colonialista. Mucho menos es Expansionista. China, ni siquiera en 1,000 años ha invadido a nadie en el mundo. Nunca. ¡Eso Jamás lo ha hecho! ¿Sabe usted cuántas Bases Militares tiene China fuera de su propio territorio? Ninguna. Cero. ¡Nada! China no ataca. China es un país respetuoso con todos, y es un ejemplo para todo el mundo. En cambio, EU tiene casi 800 Bases Militares esparcidas por todo el mundo. De esas 800, los EU tienen 93 Bases frente a China.
So many companies
Is it the array of James Webb telescope on your T-shirt?
Yes 😛
Man... China's development is amazing and a great inspirations for the world
LET'S GO CHINA! 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳❤️❤️❤️💯💯💯
Is anybody making a drone which takes off and rendezvous and grabs the rocket coming down and lands it? Then the rocket wouldn't need to carry landing gear so would be lighter.
YEAH DONGFANG
👏👏👏👍
Deep Blue, Xspace... How about a Flyfire and a Labrocket?😂😅😂😅
I do hope the SOEs start to transition away from the older Long March models to the Kerolox fueled launch vehicles, the amateurish video shot from only 500m away and that big orange cloud was rather frightening
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this is for powers of powers in powers in powers our energy=G3~G4 powers in powers powers around powers
Good; keep it up - for that was how the old Soviet Union responded to the US star war hype and went bankrupt, kaput, dead broke, dead and broke.
Man, I want to see China achieve reusability. I hope to see it soon.
That's a Temu version of SpaceX
@@jtran7272 because they claimed to be American. Not many people terms &: conditions, which tell a different story
Key is, will they have customers and insurance. Will SpaceX destroy competition world wide?
Where will Chinese companies get their customers?
No, Space X will not destroy all the competition. Remember that there are countries that Space X is not allowed to sell its launch services to.
The government of course.
Key is, the Yankees should mind their ass instead of worrying about Chinese space affairs. China already has many partnerships with rich countries in the Middle East. The US should first worry about its colossal debt and figure out how to extort its taxpayers for more weapons, they may be too broke for space at the rate its debts are going. Here in France our space program is very late, it wouldn't surprise me if Europe goes through China one day to send our satellites.
China is the world's largest market for communication facilities and the largest manufacturer of equipment, and China will not be absent from the competition in the future space-based communication market
中国可以自己消化很多订单。但是美国禁止一切含有美国技术的卫星通过中国火箭发射。如果没有这条禁令，绝对可以让用户获得性价比更高的选择。
E*n°d•i*a still struggling with t°o*i•l^e`ts 😂😂😂
Turbo flush is the top choice to invent.
basically just wait what SpaceX will release and copying it lol....not even surprised
08:43
Where’s the financial incentive?
WOW
如果能把核弹头装上就更好
China respect US !! Time for US to respect China !! 😊 Planet Earth are for all countrys ! Peace for all !
China should become a country like Europe issue adopt their methods if they want to be ahead in life
TEAM CHINA ALL THE WAY!👍🙏🐲🐉🙂
我是中国人
Inside China's Reusable Rocket Program
China's commercial launch companies, such as LandSpace, iSpace, Galactic Energy, Space Pioneer, and Deep Blue Aerospace, are the pillars of China's pursuit of rocket reusability. Rocket reusability gained popularity after SpaceX's success with the Falcon 9 and the growing market for large satellite constellations.
In 2014-2015, China opened its space sector to commercial companies, leading to the founding of over a dozen Chinese commercial launch companies. These companies were often established by senior engineers from Chinese state-owned enterprises or the Chinese Academy of Sciences, who raised seed money from local venture funds and governments.
Different companies took different approaches. Some started with small solid-filled rockets, while others focused exclusively on liquid-filled rockets. Early companies developed their own engines, while later companies bought engines off the shelf from specialized engine manufacturers.
Chinese commercial launch companies secured massive funding from sources like venture capital partners and government funds. This funding enabled the development of liquid-fueled launch vehicles, with each round raising hundreds of millions of Chinese yuan.
In 2022, significant progress was made. LandSpace attempted the first-ever Chinese commercial launch of a liquid-filled rocket, but the second stage failed due to engine issues. Four months later, another company, CAS Space, successfully launched the Tianlong-2 rocket, marking China's first commercial launch vehicle. However, reusable rockets are still under development.
Promising candidates for reusable rockets include Deep Blue Aerospace, which has conducted multiple flights of its Nebula M demonstrator, and iSpace, which is developing the Hyperbola 2 reusable medium-lift launch vehicle. Galactic Energy, with its solid-fueled rockets, also aims for reusability.
State-owned companies are also exploring reusable rockets. China's state-owned Space Program is working on the Shenzhou spacecraft and Long March 2F rocket. Other initiatives are focused on space planes, such as CASC's Shenlong and CASIC's Tengyun.
China is also exploring making its older rockets partially reusable and developing the Super Heavy Long March 9 with potential full reusability by the 2040s.
Overall, China's commercial and state-owned companies are actively pursuing rocket reusability, with various approaches and ongoing developments in the field.
For more detailed information, refer to the [video](ua-cam.com/video/Ynu9geJNubI/v-deo.html).
nice presenter