It's kind of refreshing to see that no matter how seasoned or professional one gets in this chosen field of endeavor, that 'shit' can just happen to everyone and sometimes things just don't wanna get done. be it a bar, arena or stadium.
@@RubenvanRoonDrumChannel: Had the pleasure of a chance meeting and an odd meeting with Steve Gadd around 1987 when I was in high school. And thank my Mom for the name! :)
I learned to play guitar in the late 60s. Now I’m an amateur but during my journey I thought it would be good for me to learn the drums. Even just a little bit. Someone suggested a VHS tape he had out. At that point I was just leaning some drum rudiments on a practice pad. When I sat down to watch Steve play my head exploded. He was only playing the drums with no other instruments but his sound somehow sounded like music. It was like an orchestra. I can’t explain it really. It just sounded and felt good!!! I was impressed and in awe. Cheers!
Yeah this 1000%. He also plays things that are really not that complicated... Especially compared to a lot of modern players. But its all just so captivating
Steve is such a musical treasure. It really makes a difference when the drummer is not JUSt a drummer but also a musician with great ears and an understanding what what else is going on around him.....from the other players to the sound men. I had the privilege of attending Eastman a couple of years behind Steve. We all knew what a monster he was back then.....but he just never stopped growing or rested on his laurels. A drummer's drummer to be sure.
I used to put up a poster that read "What in Where?" when mixing monitors. Thumb up, thumb down or OK was the only sign language required. Worked brilliantly!
As a very part time sound engineer, I perfected a great way to dial in the monitors: tell the musicians to simply point, then give a thumbs up or down. It's fantastic if they have half a brain.
Here’s something to think about. Thumbs up can either mean “turn it up” or “that’s good”. I use a system where I point up or down with my index finger to indicate more or less volume, then the “ok” signal when it’s where I want it. The thumb thing can be super confusing at times.
An audio engineer who's dealt with every type of person under the sun in these situations, and how to reconcile them and make everyone happy. Sound check takes time to get right.
This is just GREAT!!!!!! So much fun! I never heard Steve talk so assertively as he does to that sound guy in this clip!!Wonderful how the mild, Mr. Nice Guy is a veneer over the very strong musician who knows exactly what he wants!!
I don’t know the circumstances, they might be extreme, but trying to mix the house from stage and second guessing your FOH is an absolutely lousy idea. Does not matter if you are Steve Gadd.
@@hepphepps8356when you have great musicians, the band absolutely mixes itself from the stage-when you have extreme heavy rock or amateurs, everything is mixed from house PA. I interpreted it as: Steve was complaining that house mix/PA was way too loud, making it very difficult for the band to hear themselves, and therefore play good music.
@@rhythmfield No. This is not correct. If you use a PA, that is were the balance happens. That doesn’t mean the musicians don’t interplay, or the working environment doesn’t need to be good. But that needs to be solved without interfering with the house mix.
@@hepphepps8356 Steve’s problem was, and my problem on many many gigs, is that the house PA is TOO LOUD which makes it impossible for real musicians to hear themselves. Of course, when the venue fills with people, the sound changes, but I still think really loud house PA volume can destroy a good performance.
Pros workin it out. Knowing when to listen without anger, find collective clarity and make music. Btw- surprised at that amount of experience had ANY issues with sound check & monitors. It truly should be attentive, clear signals given to monitor technician and a piece of cake. Snags can obviously happen - usually due to lack of fundamentals and focusing on the task at hand. Carry on. 🎵💎
It’s important for everyone to have an understanding of the soundcheck process. 1. Get off the stage and let the sound people place mics (drummers: stay away from your snare…especially when it’s being mic’d)! 2. Get the band’s stage sound right with the monitors clear, then augment the natural stage sounds as needed. When I run my band’s check, ask we play part of a song, THEN ask for stuff in the monitors. 3. Headroom is a real thing, it’s the extra band member you have to make space for. 4. FOH sound will change once people are in the room! Heck the temperature in the room will also affect the sound! I just got off a 5 week run in the UK. Our sound crew were genius level cats. Make friends with, and listen to the good silence men and women in your lives! You’ll learn so much! Search, Dave Rat, from Rat Sound on YT. That dude serves up knowledge daily!
👍I LOVE Steve for his incredible drumming and his incredible sense for good, tasty, music! ALWAYS think MUSICALLY!!!👍🙂‼️Also, I suspect that the tune's in "G"..😂👍‼️
I cant tell you how many times i heard "turn this up,turn this down" "more high end,less mids" while mixing and never touched one knob or fader when bands made audio suggestions and still got the nod of approval. Lol
If you're at FOH and the band is onstage, its amazing they can hear accurately the mains to tell you what they want ! Unless one member or tour manager steps out to FOH position to 'discuss ' the mix with you. Then the old trick gets pulled outta your pocket of spinning a knob slightly on a muted channel and hearing " Sounds great now Thats much better !" !! All joking aside its part of the game You are the hired gun to make the band sound as good as they can and audience reaction to the mix does count. Its a big compromise sometimes in not hurting anyones ego including your own.
@@westrig180 Yeah, that's exactrly right....." you're a hired gun to make the band sound good"...not to play childish games to make yourself (and YOUR ego) feel superior.
Can’t tell you how many times i try and get my levels and hear no audible improvement. After asking so many times you just give up and say yeah sounds great. Probably guys like you thinking they’re being clever but you’re just making yourself look completely incompetent lol. Good to know theres guys like you wasting our time and fuckin up our shows. Really appreciate the insight ✌️
@@mick5137 somebody has to take the lead, and it's wonderful having the Bass player, but a band needs a Drummer even more than the Bass, so I'm sticking with the football analogy, but I do understand what your saying because I like baseball more than football, and I was a catcher. The catcher, like the quarterback has a full view of the field and the players, and that's important.
Absolutely. One of my pet peeves as a sound engineer coming from a jazz background. However. What Steve did here. Second guessing others, telling the FOH what to do from back of the stage, it is like backseat friving from someone facing rearwards. Thinking it is wise to set monitor-balance without the house on. And THEN expecting the house mix to stay low. It is such a list of rookie mistakes, combined with a pretty condensending and akward attitude. This was not an example to follow, and obviously not his best day at work. You trust the FOH, or you bring someone you trust. Thats your only 2 options.
gadd was right,they can’t mix the monitor mix bec the house was too loud. when musicians hear the house mix instead the monitor mix then it’s a problem. and telling gadd how to play the cymbal is funny😅
Exactly!! That’s exactly the point. I notice that sound engineers with weak egos are getting upset and leaving dozens of comments on this video. But you can tell who the real professionals are here.
Hilarious... cause its almost nitpicking per what modes each musician likes to be in per whatever key the original version was in. The guitarist is interpeting it one way while the others like it in other mode(s) . Not too mention these guys are pretty old now and probably forget what the original key was anyways !
@@anonymous_friend wrong. the sound on stage and front of house interact with one another. If the musicians don't feel good playing on stage, the music wont be good. I don't do sound professionally, but I play drums professionally. and the artist comes first so that the audience gets a good product. The sound engineers are there to support the artists performance. end of story.
The sound problems I understand. It happens. But it sure looks like these guys could do with a little rehearsal time. By the time you get to the stage, there is zero excuse for anyone not knowing what key every song they intend to play is in. Buddy Rich would have gone off on these guys. Someone would likely be looking for another gig tomorrow.
SO SIMPLE. ONLY and ONLY when EVERY musician is satisfied with their onstage sound, then the gig is on. Otherwise your future as a soundman won't be fun.
Eliminate all "sound guys." The music should project from the stage alone. If people in the back can't hear, play a smaller venue. Great music was performed for a thousand years without "sound guys" to complicate things and add their own two cents. They are not musicians, they are not part of the band, yet they want to dictate how your sound (the very reason people are at the show to begin with) should be presented?
As a bass player...I absolutely abhor the situation when the FOH is overpowering everything on stage to the point playing a note here and it comes out way over there and five times louder. I agree with Steve Gadd. Herbie Hancock has spoken of this, too.
Sure thats the pure esoteric way to do it. BUT Cant make money that way. Nobody in thsi video is telling the band how they should sound except the band members themselves trying to figure the right monitor mixes for each of them. You cant go back to ancient times ,dude. The musicians who are trying to enjoy playing their craft and get paid for it would be poor and starving....again. Nobody is calling FOH engineers musicians here.They only have to reproduce and control accurately what is going on onstage. They don't change the key or add verses or xtra choruses...they cant. If they know their job and do it well with the right ( and sometimes the wrong) gear, thats all thats needed. btw for thousands of years there were no electronic instruments so your argument is very narrow minded .
@@optimus163 - So your argument is more money? Hey, if the audience and musician agree to that arrangement that's fine. I just believe that the larger the venue, the lower the musical quality. Some people are ok with that trade-off. I am not. Thankfully I do not have to live off of my musical performances, but to say that the sound guy doesn't color the performance is incorrect. Balance in the monitors affects what the musicians play. Sometimes sound guys (and others) ask for drum shields which affect the way musicians play. In ear monitors put another obstacle in the way of listening and balancing an ensemble organically. Feedback, house volume versus stage volume. There are a lot of ways the musical performance is affected. I say the sound guy is not a musician in the sense that, because he is not actively part of the group, his contribution should not affect the group artistically, yet it objectively does. My view is indeed narrow-minded. I choose to not let garbage ideas pollute the music as opposed to those who think progress for the sake of progress is worthwhile. Some technology is good but let's have a bit better discernment with what we decide to use.
No. Absolutely not. Very dissapointing and unprofessional behaviour from someone I admire. In 25 years of sound engineering I have only seen this kind of behaviour twice. Messing with the FOH is idiotic. You might have gotten unlucky and ended up with a unusable replacement house engineer from the metal club next door. If that is the case, even more important to treat her properly, if not, you have an unusable and offended metal engineer between you and your audience. Or. Maybe she wasn’t an unusable metal engineer. Maybe it is the worlds biggest f ing FOH genious, doing sound check in a slightly unorthodox way, being very nervous/shy, not knowing english very well being shamed and offended by her biggest hero in front of all her collegaues. Way to go, Steve! I’m sure that’ll get the best out of everyone! You can not judge the sound out front from stage. You always need to have 100% trust in the FOH-person. You chose wheter you put that trust towards the house engineer, or if you pay and bring your own.
@@rhythmfield Dear rythmfield , I do have a master’s degree in jazz performance and hundreds of jazz club gigs as a performer. More as a sound engineer. It is more complicated than your catchphrase-level understanding of the issue.
@@hepphepps8356 it didn't sound rude / condescending to me, i have to say... don't know where the gig was but perhaps a cultural difference? just politely but firmly saying that it's too loud. this is a common problem, i've had it loads of times in small bands. not a bad mix necessarily, just too loud for the style of music, and forces the band to have the on-stage monitors too loud and/or overplay, neither conducive to a good performance.
@@rhythmfield No I don't think you understand. Having soundcheck with both the FOH and BOH doing their job gets the musicians used to the main PA added volume alongside their monitors, sound check takes time to get right. A lot of musicians are just impatient and don't let the engineers have time to do their job.
@@Kynect2Hymn & Mr/Ms hepphepps - i’ve played thousands of gigs, festivals, gigs of every possible type. So: I also am speaking from experience. The sound crew needs to do what the musicians ask- particularly when the request comes from a leading, senior master musician, like Steve Gadd; and from my experience (which is extensive), the professional sound people do this & are usually very cooperative and professional-the amateurs or the people who only do heavy rock etc get upset and have weak egos. I’ve rarely had a problem. But I have noticed: sound systems are very often MUCH too loud.
It's kind of refreshing to see that no matter how seasoned or professional one gets in this chosen field of endeavor, that 'shit' can just happen to everyone and sometimes things just don't wanna get done. be it a bar, arena or stadium.
So true Steve, good name;)
can't put it better
@@RubenvanRoonDrumChannel: Had the pleasure of a chance meeting and an odd meeting with Steve Gadd around 1987 when I was in high school. And thank my Mom for the name! :)
that's why they call them sound manglers
When each member soundchecked, Steve hit the kick drum a couple of times as a reference level. Good thinking.
It's so cool seeing drummers that laid down amazing tracks in the 60 still at it.
Amazing how much Gadd swings quarter notes.😮
And So making the hi-hat singularly swing, the forward motion & it integrates the whole groove, love it wow!
I learned to play guitar in the late 60s. Now I’m an amateur but during my journey I thought it would be good for me to learn the drums. Even just a little bit. Someone suggested a VHS tape he had out. At that point I was just leaning some drum rudiments on a practice pad. When I sat down to watch Steve play my head exploded. He was only playing the drums with no other instruments but his sound somehow sounded like music. It was like an orchestra. I can’t explain it really. It just sounded and felt good!!! I was impressed and in awe. Cheers!
Yeah this 1000%. He also plays things that are really not that complicated... Especially compared to a lot of modern players. But its all just so captivating
I met him years ago at a drum clinic, Great Guy! And one hell of a talented drummer.
Steve is such a musical treasure. It really makes a difference when the drummer is not JUSt a drummer but also a musician with great ears and an understanding what what else is going on around him.....from the other players to the sound men. I had the privilege of attending Eastman a couple of years behind Steve. We all knew what a monster he was back then.....but he just never stopped growing or rested on his laurels. A drummer's drummer to be sure.
Haha! Looks like every rehearsal and soundcheck I've been to!
I used to put up a poster that read "What in Where?" when mixing monitors. Thumb up, thumb down or OK was the only sign language required. Worked brilliantly!
As a very part time sound engineer, I perfected a great way to dial in the monitors: tell the musicians to simply point, then give a thumbs up or down. It's fantastic if they have half a brain.
thumbs up to that.
I HAVE EVERYBODY FART INTO THEIR MICS...FASTER
Here’s something to think about. Thumbs up can either mean “turn it up” or “that’s good”.
I use a system where I point up or down with my index finger to indicate more or less volume, then the “ok” signal when it’s where I want it. The thumb thing can be super confusing at times.
That’s just commonplace in the industry
ATTA BOY
💥 Steve’s a Pro… Wants Everything To Be… Right💥
Who would argue with someone (a) this talented, (b) that has literally done it all; (c) asserts himself so well.
An audio engineer who's dealt with every type of person under the sun in these situations, and how to reconcile them and make everyone happy. Sound check takes time to get right.
When a legend takes control of the chaos 🙏🏽
This is just GREAT!!!!!! So much fun! I never heard Steve talk so assertively as he does to that sound guy in this clip!!Wonderful how the mild, Mr. Nice Guy is a veneer over the very strong musician who knows exactly what he wants!!
He's not rude, he's just asking what he wants.
I don’t know the circumstances, they might be extreme, but trying to mix the house from stage and second guessing your FOH is an absolutely lousy idea. Does not matter if you are Steve Gadd.
@@hepphepps8356when you have great musicians, the band absolutely mixes itself from the stage-when you have extreme heavy rock or amateurs, everything is mixed from house PA. I interpreted it as: Steve was complaining that house mix/PA was way too loud, making it very difficult for the band to hear themselves, and therefore play good music.
@@rhythmfield No. This is not correct. If you use a PA, that is were the balance happens. That doesn’t mean the musicians don’t interplay, or the working environment doesn’t need to be good. But that needs to be solved without interfering with the house mix.
@@hepphepps8356 Steve’s problem was, and my problem on many many gigs, is that the house PA is TOO LOUD which makes it impossible for real musicians to hear themselves. Of course, when the venue fills with people, the sound changes, but I still think really loud house PA volume can destroy a good performance.
love the quote " something is miiiiighty wrong there"
This must be a pretty old video. The Guitarist, Cornell Dupree, died in 2011..Very cool video! Love behind the scenes stuff.
Pros workin it out. Knowing when to listen without anger, find collective clarity and make music. Btw- surprised at that amount of experience had ANY issues with sound check & monitors. It truly should be attentive, clear signals given to monitor technician and a piece of cake. Snags can obviously happen - usually due to lack of fundamentals and focusing on the task at hand. Carry on.
🎵💎
Some people think the first chord or note is the key of the song. I think that was the issue. Bflat is relative so a solo would work
It’s important for everyone to have an understanding of the soundcheck process. 1. Get off the stage and let the sound people place mics (drummers: stay away from your snare…especially when it’s being mic’d)! 2. Get the band’s stage sound right with the monitors clear, then augment the natural stage sounds as needed. When I run my band’s check, ask we play part of a song, THEN ask for stuff in the monitors. 3. Headroom is a real thing, it’s the extra band member you have to make space for. 4. FOH sound will change once people are in the room! Heck the temperature in the room will also affect the sound!
I just got off a 5 week run in the UK. Our sound crew were genius level cats. Make friends with, and listen to the good silence men and women in your lives! You’ll learn so much! Search, Dave Rat, from Rat Sound on YT. That dude serves up knowledge daily!
👍I LOVE Steve for his incredible drumming and his incredible sense for good, tasty, music! ALWAYS think MUSICALLY!!!👍🙂‼️Also, I suspect that the tune's in "G"..😂👍‼️
I cant tell you how many times i heard "turn this up,turn this down" "more high end,less mids" while mixing and never touched one knob or fader when bands made audio suggestions and still got the nod of approval. Lol
@patm5086 That’s a dick move. Period.
@@deaganxpress what on earth is a dick move,period?
If you're at FOH and the band is onstage, its amazing they can hear accurately the mains to tell you what they want ! Unless one member or tour manager steps out to FOH position to 'discuss ' the mix with you. Then the old trick gets pulled outta your pocket of spinning a knob slightly on a muted channel and hearing " Sounds great now Thats much better !" !! All joking aside its part of the game You are the hired gun to make the band sound as good as they can and audience reaction to the mix does count. Its a big compromise sometimes in not hurting anyones ego including your own.
@@westrig180 Yeah, that's exactrly right....." you're a hired gun to make the band sound good"...not to play childish games to make yourself (and YOUR ego) feel superior.
Can’t tell you how many times i try and get my levels and hear no audible improvement. After asking so many times you just give up and say yeah sounds great. Probably guys like you thinking they’re being clever but you’re just making yourself look completely incompetent lol. Good to know theres guys like you wasting our time and fuckin up our shows. Really appreciate the insight ✌️
At this moment in time I am the Steve Gadd of my group and I need gads by my side.
if that's as pissed as he gets then he's a pretty good boss.
With the Gadd Gang we play it in G...for gangsta.
I’ve always thought that the Drummer is like a QB even if he doesn’t get to call the play, he’s got to make it work.
I've long thought that the drummer and bassist relationship is similar to that of a pitcher and catcher.
@@mick5137 somebody has to take the lead, and it's wonderful having the Bass player, but a band needs a Drummer even more than the Bass, so I'm sticking with the football analogy, but I do understand what your saying because I like baseball more than football, and I was a catcher. The catcher, like the quarterback has a full view of the field and the players, and that's important.
and final product on DVD sounds really great. Especially these drums.
Which DVD?
@@Pr592mokey Drummers Collective 2002 by Hudson Music
So was the song on the record in G? I'm invested in this now...
Answering my own question ... It was in G on the record - opening track of "The Gadd Gang" record. Cornell was mistaken.
ya see a lot of people mixing Jazz like rock shows. booming Kick drums and overly loud. That was the scene here. Also this video has been around...
Yes absolutely. Very frustrating
Absolutely. One of my pet peeves as a sound engineer coming from a jazz background. However. What Steve did here. Second guessing others, telling the FOH what to do from back of the stage, it is like backseat friving from someone facing rearwards. Thinking it is wise to set monitor-balance without the house on. And THEN expecting the house mix to stay low.
It is such a list of rookie mistakes, combined with a pretty condensending and akward attitude. This was not an example to follow, and obviously not his best day at work.
You trust the FOH, or you bring someone you trust. Thats your only 2 options.
@@hepphepps8356 i agree with what you said here. plus i would recommend that he ease up on that ride cymbal a bit
gadd was right,they can’t mix the monitor mix bec the house was too loud. when musicians hear the house mix instead the monitor mix then it’s a problem. and telling gadd how to play the cymbal is funny😅
He's also right the the best sound starts with the band, and that requires the band to hear each other. Set the monitors then set FOH.
My diplomatic Aries brother. I feel you,Steve…
And Cornell would've lost that bet. The song he's referring to, Watching The River Flow, is a blues in G recorded by The Gadd Gang
I am convinced that most sound engineers think that louder is better. They say it sounds great. That means it’s very loud. They know nothing.
This is ridiculous. How could these engineers not know what Gadd and the Band expect before the check?
I've experienced this too times with sound engineers. Bad sound people can ruin a concert, good sound engineers are worth their weight in gold.
Because there was no clear communication ahead of this point? 🤷♂ There are 100 things going wrong at the same time in the video.
Interesting to see
The jedi master taking control
this session seems a bit old.... anyone know what year this was?
When did Steve turn into Buddy Rich? Just kidding, he was still pretty darn nice about it.
Is this part of a documentary, or somthing?
What key is he drumming in? :)
"Can we have everything louder than everything else?"
(if you know where that comes from, you're old like me.)
Made in Japan. Right before Ian Paice's classic drum solo
So what key was it recorded in? I'm dyin' here.
G
Definitely G ! 😬😂
The great Ronnie
Magnifico.😇😇😇😇😇😇
yes I need a sound engineer here in my studio!>
Tell em Steve. 😁
Just out of curiosity, who's the guitar player?
The legendary Cornel Dupree
Just so long as my monitor mix is right, the rest don't matter!
That shuffle though......
I’d play it in the key of Z if that’s what Cornell wanted!
Is that Eddie Gomez?
Yes sir!
ThT guitar is tasty. Who is it?
Cornell Dupree
Looks like a normal soundcheck to me
Davulun sesini gitar sax ve klavye çok bastırıyordu dr konuya el koydu işini iyi biliyor 👍👍
miss Cornell!
start using ear monitors!
Wow someone's in a mood
Better get it right now than losing the solos and bass in a muddy mess in the middle of the first tune.
Exactly!! That’s exactly the point. I notice that sound engineers with weak egos are getting upset and leaving dozens of comments on this video. But you can tell who the real professionals are here.
Os caras discutindo que tonalidade é ...... hahahahahah
I think it was in G
4:00 Fred Armisen on the bass
Nope, Eddie Gomez.
Dammit, it was "G" already!!!!
ロニーもデュプリーも健在だ！
someone check the record!
Hilarious... cause its almost nitpicking per what modes each musician likes to be in per whatever key the original version was in. The guitarist is interpeting it one way while the others like it in other mode(s) . Not too mention these guys are pretty old now and probably forget what the original key was anyways !
How the guitarist don’t know what key the song’s played in? 🤣🤣
Control over *rough*
they need a stage manager. too many cooks in the kitchen all around in this video it seems.
Its just a soundcheck, this stuff happens everyday. no need for the overdramatic title
Really great Drummers.... theres no argument BESIDES ITS THE GADD BAND HELLO ITS HIS BAR OF SOAP AND HE CAN WASH IT AS FAST OR SLOW AS HE WANTS TO ...
One of my favorite drummers, but you dont tell front of house how to mix. You get control of your monitor mix and thats it. Respect the sound person.
the sound engineers job is to make the musicians feel comfortable on stage.
@@christianlolomoreno No its to make front of house sound good for the paying audience. You must not be a sound professional.
@@anonymous_friend wrong. the sound on stage and front of house interact with one another. If the musicians don't feel good playing on stage, the music wont be good. I don't do sound professionally, but I play drums professionally. and the artist comes first so that the audience gets a good product. The sound engineers are there to support the artists performance. end of story.
@@christianlolomoreno lol. Well I'm a Pro Sound Mixer. This end of story stuff is hilarious though.
@@anonymous_friend lol i'm happy i was able to educate you on the purpose of your job bud
The band was in G, but he did the lead in the relative minor B flat. Would have worked, so they’re both right. 😂
When you don’t feel you have to rehearse……
Just play it in G man!
The sound problems I understand. It happens. But it sure looks like these guys could do with a little rehearsal time. By the time you get to the stage, there is zero excuse for anyone not knowing what key every song they intend to play is in. Buddy Rich would have gone off on these guys. Someone would likely be looking for another gig tomorrow.
C’mon people; It was in G then A then D then D again…
Typical problem with modern engineers. I could rant for hours on this.
The stage sound is for a musician way more important than what the audience hears. No good stage sound - no good performance!
Ready ? 12,1234 then all i hear is drums
SO SIMPLE. ONLY and ONLY when EVERY musician is satisfied with their onstage sound, then the gig is on. Otherwise your future as a soundman won't be fun.
Rough…spell check.
i thought it was soundcheck ?! ha ha
Don’t ever trust the guitarist
Eliminate all "sound guys." The music should project from the stage alone. If people in the back can't hear, play a smaller venue. Great music was performed for a thousand years without "sound guys" to complicate things and add their own two cents. They are not musicians, they are not part of the band, yet they want to dictate how your sound (the very reason people are at the show to begin with) should be presented?
As a bass player...I absolutely abhor the situation when the FOH is overpowering everything on stage to the point playing a note here and it comes out way over there and five times louder. I agree with Steve Gadd. Herbie Hancock has spoken of this, too.
Sure thats the pure esoteric way to do it. BUT Cant make money that way. Nobody in thsi video is telling the band how they should sound except the band members themselves trying to figure the right monitor mixes for each of them. You cant go back to ancient times ,dude. The musicians who are trying to enjoy playing their craft and get paid for it would be poor and starving....again. Nobody is calling FOH engineers musicians here.They only have to reproduce and control accurately what is going on onstage. They don't change the key or add verses or xtra choruses...they cant. If they know their job and do it well with the right ( and sometimes the wrong) gear, thats all thats needed. btw for thousands of years there were no electronic instruments so your argument is very narrow minded .
@@optimus163 - So your argument is more money? Hey, if the audience and musician agree to that arrangement that's fine. I just believe that the larger the venue, the lower the musical quality. Some people are ok with that trade-off. I am not. Thankfully I do not have to live off of my musical performances, but to say that the sound guy doesn't color the performance is incorrect.
Balance in the monitors affects what the musicians play. Sometimes sound guys (and others) ask for drum shields which affect the way musicians play. In ear monitors put another obstacle in the way of listening and balancing an ensemble organically. Feedback, house volume versus stage volume. There are a lot of ways the musical performance is affected.
I say the sound guy is not a musician in the sense that, because he is not actively part of the group, his contribution should not affect the group artistically, yet it objectively does.
My view is indeed narrow-minded. I choose to not let garbage ideas pollute the music as opposed to those who think progress for the sake of progress is worthwhile. Some technology is good but let's have a bit better discernment with what we decide to use.
Dude. Buy a better fitting t-shirt. Or at least roll up the sleeves a little. Sheesh 🤣
I've heard he's a very prickly person
I saw him with James Tylor a few years ago.
and THAT is how it's done !!
No. Absolutely not. Very dissapointing and unprofessional behaviour from someone I admire. In 25 years of sound engineering I have only seen this kind of behaviour twice. Messing with the FOH is idiotic. You might have gotten unlucky and ended up with a unusable replacement house engineer from the metal club next door. If that is the case, even more important to treat her properly, if not, you have an unusable and offended metal engineer between you and your audience.
Or.
Maybe she wasn’t an unusable metal engineer. Maybe it is the worlds biggest f ing FOH genious, doing sound check in a slightly unorthodox way, being very nervous/shy, not knowing english very well being shamed and offended by her biggest hero in front of all her collegaues.
Way to go, Steve! I’m sure that’ll get the best out of everyone!
You can not judge the sound out front from stage. You always need to have 100% trust in the FOH-person.
You chose wheter you put that trust towards the house engineer, or if you pay and bring your own.
@@rhythmfield Dear rythmfield , I do have a master’s degree in jazz performance and hundreds of jazz club gigs as a performer. More as a sound engineer. It is more complicated than your catchphrase-level understanding of the issue.
@@hepphepps8356 it didn't sound rude / condescending to me, i have to say... don't know where the gig was but perhaps a cultural difference? just politely but firmly saying that it's too loud. this is a common problem, i've had it loads of times in small bands. not a bad mix necessarily, just too loud for the style of music, and forces the band to have the on-stage monitors too loud and/or overplay, neither conducive to a good performance.
@@rhythmfield No I don't think you understand. Having soundcheck with both the FOH and BOH doing their job gets the musicians used to the main PA added volume alongside their monitors, sound check takes time to get right. A lot of musicians are just impatient and don't let the engineers have time to do their job.
@@Kynect2Hymn & Mr/Ms hepphepps - i’ve played thousands of gigs, festivals, gigs of every possible type. So: I also am speaking from experience. The sound crew needs to do what the musicians ask- particularly when the request comes from a leading, senior master musician, like Steve Gadd; and from my experience (which is extensive), the professional sound people do this & are usually very cooperative and professional-the amateurs or the people who only do heavy rock etc get upset and have weak egos. I’ve rarely had a problem. But I have noticed: sound systems are very often MUCH too loud.
Блядь, тридцать лет пытаюсь понять что он играет, и я понимаю, что он игрет шляпу
"I mean, maybe when there's people out there..." Well DUH Steve, a full house always changes sound. It's been that way forever.
He knows that and is just being nice about it