You talk about it being complicated and it would be from most carpenters I've met but when you explain it you do such a good job and explain it so well and calmly that it soaks very nicely into the brain! Good job my new friend! Subbed! I'll have to tell folks about you!
Great video!! Definitely complicated but everything seems that way when you first see it. Once you know it, it's second nature. I've found sometimes it's harder to explain things to new people in my trade that I do without thinking. Well done.
good work,,,,, in the UK , we measure down , to set the seat cut ( you measured up 1.5 inches ), so all the top edges are in line , ready for roofing baton, our timber can vary in thickness up to 6mm
Classic Work hi mate.been watching your videos really helpful.wanted to know I'm building a shed but the roof is only half meter rise. is that enough for a hip roof. building is 24ft length by 10ft width.
I am a Land Surveyor, I calculate angles routinely. So I was wondering what is 6 & 17, figured that out, 6:12 is 17° on a 45° valley rafter. A perpendicular rafter at 6:12 pitch is cut at 26°33'54" (ha ha not really, about 26-1/2° is close enough). Carpentry is mind bending, really enjoy doing it as an amateur.
Nice but at 5:30 a 45 cut won’t measure 45 seen at the top. That’s why it looked asymmetrical. Rafter tables often give the corrected value, for example line 6 on a rafter table on a steel square (close to 12=45 degrees for low pitch roofs)
i have a question that you may be able to answer... nobody else been able to... i've built gable vents for the ends of my house. just dummy since in my area you have to have ridge vents. the size is based on the size of the area i'm working with. i have fudged it mostly, experimenting to get the angles right. the slats are all at 45d, so that's an easy cut, but the OTHER angle gets more acute based on the pitch of the roof, each buildings is different. it's not just as easy as 45d roof having a compound 45/45 cut... is there math to figure this out? if it were a 2d image it would be easy to figure it out, but when the vent itself is framed with 2x4's, and the vent is a the 45 angle, how the devil do you calculate the cut where the slats hit the vents 'sides'???
It’s meant to fit nicely on your wall plate. So 2x4 wall that length on your flat cut that sits on the wall should be 3 1/2 inches. That sets the height because if you went higher it would get bigger, and if you went lower that flat part would get shorter
my valley rafter sits on a concrete block wall not a 2x4 wall with plate on top. My drawings show two plates on top of the block to sit my valley on. In regards to the seat cut at the end of the valley rafter, do i need to measure up 3" on the center line and not 1.5" since i have two plates to sit on top of the wall? i do not need the double cheek cut on the bottom just the seat cut to sit on the wall. Thanks!
No 1.5 would be plenty. Really any number would work 3/4" 1" 1-1/4" all a birds mouth does is keeps the rafter from siding off the top plate. Good question though.
Did you use a bandsaw to make the cuts? Don't curcular saws leave saw marks on birds mouths because you have to cut further into the stock to get it to cut through enough? Hope that makes sense.
What do you mean 6+17 on the speed square at around 3:52. My speed square on the hip-val part only says 6, the 17 mark is the other end? If that makes any sense. Cheers bud.
+ryyggin The square has two lines of numbers on it in the pitch bar. One is the common bar (0/12) the other is hip-val bar (0-17) The 6-17 is just what I said the pitch is rise over run. Hope that makes sense let me know if it helps.
+yep Sure I'm 25. Haha different is right I don't think I know how to stay in one place. I know I look like I just work all the time, but I'm also a big gamer, and play 4 different instruments. Aye I may look young, and fell off the turnip truck, but it wasn't yesterday LOL. Thanks for the comment.
90 degree,angle, 45 pitch, 45 seat cut, 45 plumb cut , = 90 degree's, 25 pitch degree, 25seat cut 65 plumb cut=90 you can use your speed square to find the degree of the roof with a plumb line, or you can download the angle finder on your phone
Brock Cameron This confused me at first also because he says mark it at 6in17. In his preceding video he explained that common rafters used at Xand12 scale and hip&valley rafters used a Xand17 scale. Like 6in12 and 6in17. I looked at a square and sure enough the 17 mark in the hip&valley lined up perfect with the 12 mark in the common and both line up with the 45 degree mark. To me this confirms what he said was correct. Hip&valley 17in17 is 45 degrees and common 12in12 is 45 degrees.
He prob used a miter saw! Shit aint like that at no job site!! Two studs, what ever angle you have, its gonna be two on each side. Shit your done!! O... Nail' em. Same thing. Quick and structural framing is what cha what white boi. Your last check is in the mail!
This wasnt complicated you explained very well! Very easy to understand and im glad to see an american keeping on the tradition of craftsmanship
You talk about it being complicated and it would be from most carpenters I've met but when you explain it you do such a good job and explain it so well and calmly that it soaks very nicely into the brain! Good job my new friend! Subbed! I'll have to tell folks about you!
Bro, your videos resonate with me the best. Excellent work and presentation!
I like how clear and concise you make it - this was my favorite instructional so far- keep on truckin!
Good work I love the fit. I would be very happy if my roofs were that good. Thanks for 2 great videos on cutting in a roof.
Great video!! Definitely complicated but everything seems that way when you first see it. Once you know it, it's second nature. I've found sometimes it's harder to explain things to new people in my trade that I do without thinking.
Well done.
Man you helped me out big on a hip. Thanks buddy
Great video, I needed some refreshing on my hip roof knowledge, these videos are awesome! Keep em coming when you can, take care.
Excellent work, good communication skills. Good video footage.
good work,,,,,
in the UK , we measure down , to set the seat cut ( you measured up 1.5 inches ), so all the top edges are in line , ready for roofing baton, our timber can vary in thickness up to 6mm
you're alright man. Brings back memories.
Thanks Ethan
Really appreciate you taking the time to do these videos really help full
Your welcome man. Glad I could help.
Classic Work hi mate.been watching your videos really helpful.wanted to know I'm building a shed but the roof is only half meter rise. is that enough for a hip roof.
building is 24ft length by 10ft width.
Thanks man. Being only 10ft wide I think that would work. It might work a little better if it was a little steeper.
👏 nice work
What about a valley rafter that has a over hang for a sub facia. How are they cut
Thanks for the great videos
Eyy thanks I found your video it help me a lot.
Awesome work explaining the steps
I am a Land Surveyor, I calculate angles routinely. So I was wondering what is 6 & 17, figured that out, 6:12 is 17° on a 45° valley rafter. A perpendicular rafter at 6:12 pitch is cut at 26°33'54" (ha ha not really, about 26-1/2° is close enough). Carpentry is mind bending, really enjoy doing it as an amateur.
Good video thanks for info 👍
Now I know how to use the Hip marks on the speed squares
Thanks for sharing. You made it simple to understand!
Nice but at 5:30 a 45 cut won’t measure 45 seen at the top. That’s why it looked asymmetrical. Rafter tables often give the corrected value, for example line 6 on a rafter table on a steel square (close to 12=45 degrees for low pitch roofs)
Thank you. How to calculate the corner rafter if the outline of the house has angles not 90 degrees?
Awesome! Thanks for you time👍
Those cheek cut scribes ... why are they separated by 3/4"? Does it vary?
Half the thickness of the board.
Great Job!!!!! Keep making these great videos.
i have a question that you may be able to answer... nobody else been able to... i've built gable vents for the ends of my house. just dummy since in my area you have to have ridge vents. the size is based on the size of the area i'm working with. i have fudged it mostly, experimenting to get the angles right. the slats are all at 45d, so that's an easy cut, but the OTHER angle gets more acute based on the pitch of the roof, each buildings is different. it's not just as easy as 45d roof having a compound 45/45 cut... is there math to figure this out? if it were a 2d image it would be easy to figure it out, but when the vent itself is framed with 2x4's, and the vent is a the 45 angle, how the devil do you calculate the cut where the slats hit the vents 'sides'???
I have a email if you can show me how it looks I’ll try help you figure it out. ethanewing1586@gmail.com
@@EEJester1586 i so appreciate that... just took a pic, will send it right away.
Thanks bro good teaching
Best I’ve seen
When your marking your plumb cuts for your cheek cuts wher does the 3/4 spacing come from
William Reidy 3/4” is half the thickness of a 2x4 (1-1/2”) if your ridge was a 4x6 the cheek would move over to 1-3/4” being half of 3-1/2”
Great explanation ,thanks alot just subscribed.
How do you determine how high the seat cut should be?
It’s meant to fit nicely on your wall plate. So 2x4 wall that length on your flat cut that sits on the wall should be 3 1/2 inches. That sets the height because if you went higher it would get bigger, and if you went lower that flat part would get shorter
But also keep in mind not to exceed 1/3 of the width of the stock material I think it is for strength reasons 1/3 of the nominal width is the limit
Awesome job, now I need to use it. It will take me a lot longer to understand. Lets do it. Thanks again,
you can measure the compound cut with a bevel if you are working on different pitch intersection
Real helpful
Great demo thanks a lot
my valley rafter sits on a concrete block wall not a 2x4 wall with plate on top. My drawings show two plates on top of the block to sit my valley on. In regards to the seat cut at the end of the valley rafter, do i need to measure up 3" on the center line and not 1.5" since i have two plates to sit on top of the wall? i do not need the double cheek cut on the bottom just the seat cut to sit on the wall. Thanks!
No 1.5 would be plenty. Really any number would work 3/4" 1" 1-1/4" all a birds mouth does is keeps the rafter from siding off the top plate. Good question though.
Classic Work
Thanks for sharing....very useful info.....
Did you use a bandsaw to make the cuts?
Don't curcular saws leave saw marks on birds mouths because you have to cut further into the stock to get it to cut through enough?
Hope that makes sense.
I did just because it was easier than cleaning up a mess. Yes they do.
hey from minutes 3:07 when you say center portion of the line i got confused . did you mean center of the 2*4 or the second line
He was talking about of the three lines and said mark at the center of the 2x4 so it is the center of the lines 1.5 the center of the '2x4'.
You didn't show the saw set up to make the cut. Can you make another video showing this.
david
What do you mean 6+17 on the speed square at around 3:52. My speed square on the hip-val part only says 6, the 17 mark is the other end? If that makes any sense. Cheers bud.
+ryyggin The square has two lines of numbers on it in the pitch bar. One is the common bar (0/12) the other is hip-val bar (0-17) The 6-17 is just what I said the pitch is rise over run. Hope that makes sense let me know if it helps.
+Classic Work Okay Im with you now. Thanks for the vids
How to build a Coupala
Again bud thnk you for the great info!!!
Nice video for your custom roof.
But when you are being paid peace work the wormdrive takes over .
Thanks man ! Good videos
Congratulations to the videos hem, done on a whim, I'm crazy to get a speed square
well done - and clear
veary helpfully vid man thanls
Good job of instructing, T/Y-
most jack rafters are cut at 45 degrees on the compound cut
Fantastic!!!!!
Hey how to calculate roof rafters for a woodframed house 24'x30'
Ghost Man is that a question
hey Ethan how old are ya buddy? just wondering.you seem to have a lot of expierience in alot of different areas
+yep Sure I'm 25. Haha different is right I don't think I know how to stay in one place. I know I look like I just work all the time, but I'm also a big gamer, and play 4 different instruments. Aye I may look young, and fell off the turnip truck, but it wasn't yesterday LOL. Thanks for the comment.
Classic Work
You know what you’re doing, that’s all
that matters. I hate math, so I would use a calculator...Framing is fun though.
90 degree,angle, 45 pitch, 45 seat cut, 45 plumb cut , = 90 degree's, 25 pitch degree, 25seat cut 65 plumb cut=90 you can use your speed square to find the degree of the roof with a plumb line, or you can download the angle finder on your phone
how to figure out hip & valley roof pitch for a shed that's 16' x 12'
good job, thanks
thanks for sharing this
Only question is why you start with 6 and 17 on the speed square.
Brock Cameron 6/12 was the pitch on this roof. 6/17 is the Val-hip pitch.
Brock Cameron
This confused me at first also because he says mark it at 6in17.
In his preceding video he explained that common rafters used at Xand12 scale and hip&valley rafters used a Xand17 scale. Like 6in12 and 6in17. I looked at a square and sure enough the 17 mark in the hip&valley lined up perfect with the 12 mark in the common and both line up with the 45 degree mark. To me this confirms what he said was correct. Hip&valley 17in17 is 45 degrees and common 12in12 is 45 degrees.
SWEET!!
Thanks a ton u made it so simple. Any chance u can post a video on irregular hips and valley's?
irregular hips, and valley's? You mean one leg longer than the other?
Would never get these measurements so tough for me.
Genius
I live in Brazil, you know.
sometimes things can be over complicated i was lost
Ok, what I understand is that comon rafters are 0/12 and hip valley rafters are 0/17
17 is the length of the hypotenuse of a right triangle with two 12 legs.
Nice to have extra lines if you're a Coke head not a carpenter good video
He prob used a miter saw! Shit aint like that at no job site!! Two studs, what ever angle you have, its gonna be two on each side. Shit your done!! O... Nail' em. Same thing. Quick and structural framing is what cha what white boi. Your last check is in the mail!
It's not the same
I didnt understand shit