These companies love this problem. They want their brands to be aspirational. They can make more shoes or raise their prices, but they need people fighting over them to keep their long-term prices high.
Agreed. Nike/Adidas/New Balance can simply increase production, but they keep production low to create demand. You'll still see clueless idiots blame resellers instead of the retailers though.
If you want change, then stop buying from scalpers. Whether they use one bot to buy 50, or whether a team of 50 buys one each, if they ultimately end up on ebay on a markup because the demand is there, the end result is the same.
That will never happen. The law of supply and demand will always exist. Scalpers or normal people who no longer want an item... does not matter. Supply and demand determine the value
Half the sneakers people buy for ridiculous prices on the aftermarket don’t even get worn..the buyers are scared to wear bc of what they paid..a bunch of 🐑
Oh wow…how nice of Nike to update their terms and conditions…this will surely discourage every sneaker botter from using their bots on their platforms😂
There is a very simple fix: PRE-ORDERS! If Nike/Adidas etc just put out their upcoming design 6-12 months in advance (they know their products way in advance) they can then put a 3-7 day per-order timeline. It would be a win win: customer satisfaction goes way up, companies only make the amount ordered (could be higher or lower depending on the shoe). The only ones that lose with a pre-order system are resellers. Which is EXACTLY what 90% of us want.
@@CarCrazy24 I agree they still do this for games at game stores and high end electronics to know how much they need to produce at launch. I go custom now most of the time.
Nerdy dudes single handedly killed sneaker culture, Most of the OG sneaker heads who used to collect pre internet don't care about shoes like that anymore.
If you really want to stop the majority of the bots out there then the only sensible solution to this is to do pre-orders. Also if you want to stop the majority of the resellers is to simply have the IRS monitor reselling platforms like EBAY, GOAT, STOCK-X, and others and have all monetary profits taxed at a 15% margin. The resellers still pay seller fees to those platforms on top of the 15% they have to pay at the end of the fiscal year to the government. That will stop most of the resellers from thinking about reselling. It has become too easy for anyone to buy bots and proxies and resell and make thousands on sales and not even pay taxes on sales. Let's start calling it what it really is. SCALPING.
An added step to stop bots would be to not send the 10-20pairs they won to the same address. Which would mean going through all “sold” pairs and looking at addresses. Even if they are jigging and slightly changing address that’s when you ban every single account attached to that buyer/botter. Cancel orders
This has been a thing for years but botters have different billing info, addresses, emails, phone numbers, and ip addresses for every account. There is no way to filter based off order info alone.
@@pppi21 sorry I meant pre-orders. Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this. There is no resale market if everyone who wants a pair has multiple days to order one.
You can get shadow banned on SNKRS app. I was pending for Jordan 5 UNC for like 25 minutes and they were sitting. Grabbed one using my wife's phone after 30 min of waiting and got an L on my account. Nike is really a joke
And this is why I don't bother with Nike sneakers. If it's really this crazy I need to move on to another style or brand of shoes and maybe come back to it when it's at a more reasonable price/quality standpoint. Thursday sneakers or Standard Uniform...
I am a simple man. I like sneakers from an era of my childhood in which I didn't have to worry about being an adult. But no. Resellers and their bots want to take that joy away from me.
This is probably one reason why I've stopped waiting and following for a specific sneaker to drop on the specified date. Everyone would crash the site and it would take forever to reload and by the time the site reloaded the shoes would be sold out. It became a hassle and annoying. Plus I would never camp outside a store for a sneaker release and the stores even had ticket raffles where you'd get raffle ticket, for a chance to buy the sneaker that was being released on the said date. So you have people camping out for a raffle ticket for a CHANCE to buy the SNEAKER they want. That's when I said, yeah I just get it if its available otherwise I'm not bothering. When it becomes a wild goose chase, somethings wrong and I'm done.
Big sneaker companies are definitely loosing loyal customers. Sneaker buying is unfair to an average consumer these days. I’ve honestly stopped buying sneakers all together lately, since it became pointless to even try to purchase sneakers off the Nike app. Every release that I tried to go for on a Nike Sneakers app in the last few years I wasn’t able to get, because it gets sold out in literally seconds. And I’m definitely not paying resale for a consumable product like shoes. Thankfully I have a large enough collection I’ve acquired over the years to last me a long time. But I do feel bad for people these days having to pay outrageous resale prices for something they want. I miss the days when we were able to walk into the stores and try on and buy sneakers we want on the spot, instead of dealing with bots and these ridiculous online lotteries/raffles and queues etc. 🤦♂️
There’s actually a lot of ways of to combat this. Rarer shoes could be sold in store only. Also limiting the number you can buy in stores. Also jacking up the price of the shoes in store or online so that the resellers make less money. It’s weird that Nike is so successful. The shoes look plain. The green ones looked ugly in my opinion. People may not realize it but you are mainly just paying for the name. You could buy very similar shoes for way cheaper.
FWIW Rare shoes that are sold in stores usually do not go to regular people. Before there was botting, there was backdooring, where people in the know would get first access. Only real way to combat reselling/botting is to release extreme amounts of stock where anyone who wants one can get one. But, companies do not want to do that because it ruins the Hype of a product.
@@redsunsx01xthey should definitely produce more pairs than the demand or restock! Look at the pandas. Everyone is mad it restocks but it makes sure everyone who wants a pair has one and at retail!
Lmao ok, dude. Pairs be walking out the backdoor all day long for in-store releases, not to mention the fights and shootings. Keep rocking your Wal-Mart buddy kicks and leave quality kicks to sneakerheads.
Not really a problem, they could sell those shoes at a more correct price initially or distribute more of them. The bots really only boost the second hand market prices which is kinda the goal of those shoes manufacturers ;)
The thing about sneakers and manufacturing is more removes the incenitive for sneakerheads. If there is tons of stock and everyone can buy a pair its not special anymore.
Shoe companies cant just make more and more pairs like they do with shoes like the "panda" dunk. They need hype and popularity around sneaker models/colorways. Without it, it wont be special and people wont care to buy it. If somebody wants a new popular shoe but cant afford it on the resale market, they get it the next time it releases. Shoe companies and second hand markets rely on each other
The Adidas and Ye contract could be a ploy to drive extreme scarcity and once the shoes hit the market, they are snapped up. What people do for money is alarming.
Don’t let some of these shoe collectors sob story fool you either. If they had the chance to hit on an crazy shoe and it’s going for an insane amount they’ll resell it in a heartbeat or even wear it once then sell for a good profit. Resell will only die out if the demand is less than the supply which is never.
I truly feel like people don´t get the actual problem. 13:35 he sums up the actual problem. Demand and supply. Botters of course "cheat" by using money to put in so many entries. However even without the botters it would be impossible to get shoes due to its high demand. If the supply was actually anywhere close to the demand companies (at least short term) would make more money and people would be happy. But then again at least in case of shoes there is prestige that comes by wearing something rare. If its not rare less people want to wear it. It´s a different case with consoles and graphics cards all together. However again the demand was just too big. The supply couldn´t keep up with the crypto hype. Personally I think that lots of those shoes look great and if they fit me I´d love to wear them. However I´d probably not even be willing to shell out the original 160€ or 180€. You can buy 2-3 good pairs for that. Also the quality is pretty much the same and they´ve been made by children all the same. So yeah...
First thing to note is that there is not an actual problem to begin with, people have shoes on there feet and companies explicitly want there products to have an artificial scarcity. not the same at all with the GPU market as the companies would prefer every customer who wants there GPU to get one, and the people did not have the nessecary hardware to run the programs and games they want. In that market you have a legitimate problem.
The Kobe releases have me really depressed, he's my favorite athlete & since his passing his shoes are always made in limited quantities & eaten up by bots and resold at obnoxious prices.😢
"Nova asked us not to reveal his real name out of security concerns" like what his whole face and UA-cam profile are being provided in the video. Your security went out the window when you agreed to do the interview 🤣🤣🤣
The big issue is no company wants to take ownership of actually verifying the sales of their products are to legitimately unique people because all they care about is sales. It's funny that the person on this video "botter boy nova" says it should be legal because he has a financial incentive in it. There are two ways to eliminate the problem: 1) Just ramp up supply of the products to a dramatic account to make up the supply being taken in so that it doesn't create an artificial scarcity effect which is the sole reason these malicious bots exist. This is what happened with the PS5 and scalpers are paying heavily for it because they thought Sony doesn't like having their products in actual consumers hands. 2) If there is a limited quantity available of the product then unfortunately you're going to have to reveal the buyer's identity at the time of purchase because that's how bots thrive through anonymity. It just amazes me given the advancements we have with economic research that we're still seeing these issues come to life and the blame goes to the government officials in power since they just don't care.
The only way a company could verify a human sale in all scenario's is for a government issued SIN or the countries equivalent based on sale to be provided and to limit the sale to two pairs per individual SIN. The Citizenry would not allow that level of verification The Government would not allow that level of verification And then the obvious additional issue of a private company trying to verifiy SIN numbers
Do I hate bots? Yes, absolutely. But as someone who only uses the "manual" style of copping shoes, it comes with the territory. The satisfactory of hitting on a pair of shoes manually is the best feeling.
@@jobunaga4178 while your point is obvious the example does not work as human trafficking is not some abstract product, someone is being abused to provide the product and abuse is also being done when that product (the human in question) is used. Which makes both illegal at the point of creation and at sale.
@@jasonu3741 it's you that is missing the point. a solution that tries to focus solely on the demand side of the problem does nothing to dismantle supply side infrastructure. the problem isn't the buyers, the problem is both the buyers AND the sellers. homeboy's thinking is flawed.
Every avenue has it's drawbacks. When it was FCFS, people were cutting the line. Then still today, there's store's back dooring pairs to their friends and family. Online raffles, their apps crashing, dealing with bots. No matter what they choose to do, there will always be something to deal with.
While i respect the hustle. It ultimately hurts Nike and in the long run... the average consumer losing trust in Nike's ability to get the goods to the actual consumer. If i can get the product legitimately... i will ultimately just never buy from X company again
The real problem is the mindset of the sneaker community. If all of a sudden something will be accesible, people will lose interest and the product wont sell out. Teenagers want to go back to school with a kick that nobody else has. And companies want to maintain the hype and sell out every single item. If bots were successful 3 years ago, as AI will be improving, bots will become more sophisticated.
Or, go look at what’s on the resell market, then make more. The key to stopping it is to drain their pockets dry. Win win because you are still selling on both ends. Re release a batch at a time to see how the market performs. I’d expect a bunch of returns so a revised return policy seems smart as well.
The last straw for me for me this year. I was trying to purchase the Travis Scott AJ1 “Canary” for retail price for a rerelease Wednesday, August 28, 2024. Sneaker Con sent me the code to get the link to purchase on the launch date. I clicked it and it said sold out. These companies are all working together to have people signup or do giveaways and they really only give them to their inner circle. So I just buy sneakers from old releases that I wanted from private shoe collectors. They can have this industry, but I still win. I just buy from them, review the sneakers on my channel and wear them. I am using that money for savings, self investments, and buying property. I am not the one all be all in the shoe industry, but they lost a loyal customer who normally just saved up to pay whatever price there was. Everything happens for a reason right?
I wouldn't say companies necessarily love this problem, because the demand is there, if the bots weren't there the shoes would sell anyways, but with the bots someone else that isn't the company is making larger profits without having to invest in the manufacture or marketing of the product.
It's funny because all of the criticisms made against botting and reselling on the secondary market also apply perfectly to the housing market. The fed should not allow people to do it.
The alternative to fighting the bots, fighting NEVER going to work. Stop limited edition. If people want to buy X number of shoes and can’t. Just make X+1. If bots buy them all. Sell more. Eventually the shoe will become over saturated and the botters will stop scalping
Stop selling online. Sell all in stores with 1 shoe per buyer. Have to show ID. They have to scan it so when they scan it shows that the person has bought it and cant buy another pair.
Botting is such bottom feeder behavior. If you have any tangible skills why not use them for something that contributes to society instead of leaching off of it? Unfortunately it’s only someone’s passion that’s affected and not their livelihood, otherwise this would have been outlawed a long time ago. It’s only a matter of time before the disconnect between brands and end users grows so large that they will make any effective changes to combat the issue.
Yeah this is so true. If a person just loves sneakers and there’s a specific pair that they want, they don’t even get a chance to buy it because the bots purchased all of them. These people are so greedy.
Nike just needs to flood the market with millions of pairs. No resell value if they do this. Very easy fix. They will sell the shoes to people that really want them to wear.
Anyone who buys shoes knows Queue-it is the most useless thing ever. Most people stopped shopping at Snipes because they use Queue-it and all the bots eat.
Most botters are nerds and honestly don't care about the sneaker culture. I promise if there wasn't any resell value they wouldn't care for most releases and would only buy what they truly like. Whereas a "real sneakerhead" will buy every color of a silhouette to say they completed the pack or so. Even cop' multiple pairs of the same color-way due to their extreme passion of having an "item."
As soon as a particular model or colourway stops reselling, general consumers don’t want them anymore Look at the air jordan 1 high, as soon as the resellers stopped buying them, they sat on shelves for months, then went on sale
This is an amazing video. People who aren’t sneaker heads don’t know about bots! They just think anyone can buy any shoe. We’ll that couldn’t be farther from the truth. Your average joe has no chance of buying any HYPE Sneakers! Unless they wanna pay a premium price! (Resell price) this video 100% true. So pay attention and learn from this video:
I think they should invest in limited physical releases. The roi may be less than online releases, but I think it will cater to the hobbyists and die hards who want that feeling again, and it could be good marketing?
Everyone knocking Nike for not trying to help the issue, you're not paying attention. Ever since they started flooding the market with Pandas, the whole market has dropped. Special release shoes will always be rough to get, and even if humans get them, they're still probably getting resold.
Who buys a $160 shoe for over $1000. I guess im too broke because i won't buy it. My limit is around $200 for a shoe. There are too many shoes out there.
It’s never going away. The harder it is to get something, the more hype it gets and the more chances these things sell out. Let’s face it, at the end of the day, it’s all about the money. I’ve never won any release after everything went online. I lost interest in the sneaker game and y’all could have it and just stare at the sneaker instead of wearing them.
Botting on Sneakers should be illegal. They should be banned on adresses, names, birthday's etc to be excluded forever. Things have to get shipped somewhere. Just auto-ban places they try to ship multiple entries to. Botters will be out of the picture real fast if they need to find 30 pickup points all the time with them being banned.
Very slim on details - Like why would reCAPTCHA not work? Why would limiting 1 pair of sneakers per CC used not work? Why not come up with their own version of a bot detection system? It's not that hard.
AI Captcha solvers. Almost all websites limit 1 pair per cc but virtual ccs are a thing. Almost all websites have an antibot just the sneaker bots keep getting updated and created that theres always gonna be a successful bot out there.
Beyond this, many captchas can also be solved for fractions of a penny each by captcha farms in 3rd world country. Makes it nearly impossible when remote input becomes possible. Not to mention if bots are too expensive you can hire people for cents an hour, and have them remote into US based vms. The best filtering methods are by address in my opinion as it becomes very expensive to filter, but to does take reasonable sophistication to be able to identify things like dorms apt buildings etc internationally
I like the solution Adidas has found with Confirmed. With their app, you have a certain amount of time to enter into a lottery for a shoe, and the winners are randomly drawn at the end of a countdown. This has helped me buy multiple pairs of Yeezys at MSRP since everyone who wants the shoe is given the same chance, it doesnt matter if a bot clicks faster than you.
what do "real" sneaker heads think then? It's a silly thing to be into anyway...I mean I collected baseball cards as a kid, but doing it as an adult would seem odd. This is sort of the same. Their cheap shoes that have no intrinsic value beyond being able to wear them on your feet. To each their own I guess.
There's only a handful of shoes people actually care about in 2023. Most GR stuff is there if you want it, but people are tiered of paying $200+, and if stuff doesn't sell out day 1 people don't have that 'now or never' pressure to make them want to fight over shoes.
Shoe Scalper = Anyone want to pay $1000 for shoes? World that has been instantly cured of stupidity = No Shoe scalper = 😱 Shoes never go above retail again. 😏
This guy is literally sitting behind a warehouse full of sneakers and says: " I just want one pair in my size. I actually want to wear it. And bots..." I don't condone violence, but that guy definitely deserves a smack. In the face.
These companies would be smart to create better affiliate programs, raise the price more and this would allow the buyer to share content oin the shoe they bought, share an affiliate link, make money with the company, helping them and the buyer without the buyer needing to flip. I say this because i've been testing several channels selling via ebay affiliate links and I've made over 6 figures just with that and not selling my own shoes.
nike knows bots keep an artificial demand for their shoes high. the less people that can get them means the more they'll resell for which means people continue to think that nike shoes are still unobtainable and ultimately continue to chase them.
These companies love this problem. They want their brands to be aspirational. They can make more shoes or raise their prices, but they need people fighting over them to keep their long-term prices high.
Exactly. And people get mad at botters as if the shoes are necessary like breathing airLOL
Agreed. Nike/Adidas/New Balance can simply increase production, but they keep production low to create demand. You'll still see clueless idiots blame resellers instead of the retailers though.
Also they make millions on every release 🤦♂️
@@626resell its a business model...
@@bonsky899 huh
If you want change, then stop buying from scalpers. Whether they use one bot to buy 50, or whether a team of 50 buys one each, if they ultimately end up on ebay on a markup because the demand is there, the end result is the same.
That will never happen. The law of supply and demand will always exist. Scalpers or normal people who no longer want an item... does not matter. Supply and demand determine the value
The problem is "limited collection"
And plenty of people dont care, as long they get it.
Right. You’re going to fight with individual action and organized action with disorganized action. Good luck with that.
Half the sneakers people buy for ridiculous prices on the aftermarket don’t even get worn..the buyers are scared to wear bc of what they paid..a bunch of 🐑
No, I think pre-orders is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
Oh wow…how nice of Nike to update their terms and conditions…this will surely discourage every sneaker botter from using their bots on their platforms😂
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A strongly worded letter will save the day!!!
-orders is the only way to resolve this
There is a very simple fix: PRE-ORDERS!
If Nike/Adidas etc just put out their upcoming design 6-12 months in advance (they know their products way in advance) they can then put a 3-7 day per-order timeline.
It would be a win win: customer satisfaction goes way up, companies only make the amount ordered (could be higher or lower depending on the shoe).
The only ones that lose with a pre-order system are resellers. Which is EXACTLY what 90% of us want.
never buy from resellers. Let them waste away in their greed. same when all the PS5s were getting bought up
Clearly someone that don’t understand how business works. Everything you owned is bought from a reseller you 🤡
Just buy reps. The brooklyns in the thumbnail/intro were TOP batch reps lol. I have exactly the same ones.
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
@@CarCrazy24 I agree they still do this for games at game stores and high end electronics to know how much they need to produce at launch. I go custom now most of the time.
@@N4CR u broke
"There aren't enough sneakers to go around for everyone", says one of the guys who's causing that problem. Botting is borderline criminal behavior
Nerdy dudes single handedly killed sneaker culture, Most of the OG sneaker heads who used to collect pre internet don't care about shoes like that anymore.
That part
Pre-orders is the ONLY way to resolve this issue once and for all.
@@CarCrazy24remember, no pre orders
If you really want to stop the majority of the bots out there then the only sensible solution to this is to do pre-orders. Also if you want to stop the majority of the resellers is to simply have the IRS monitor reselling platforms like EBAY, GOAT, STOCK-X, and others and have all monetary profits taxed at a 15% margin. The resellers still pay seller fees to those platforms on top of the 15% they have to pay at the end of the fiscal year to the government. That will stop most of the resellers from thinking about reselling. It has become too easy for anyone to buy bots and proxies and resell and make thousands on sales and not even pay taxes on sales. Let's start calling it what it really is. SCALPING.
An added step to stop bots would be to not send the 10-20pairs they won to the same address. Which would mean going through all “sold” pairs and looking at addresses. Even if they are jigging and slightly changing address that’s when you ban every single account attached to that buyer/botter. Cancel orders
Thats a solution we all know they'll never implement 💀
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this
This has been a thing for years but botters have different billing info, addresses, emails, phone numbers, and ip addresses for every account. There is no way to filter based off order info alone.
@@_modisekgosiit’s all about the money schemes the pyramid with all higher ups is very real and televised 😅
@@pppi21 sorry I meant pre-orders.
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this. There is no resale market if everyone who wants a pair has multiple days to order one.
A tale as old as time itself: bots vs humans
Imagine kids saying that 2000 years in the future and wondering what it was like when it first began😂
Once upon a time i used to love shoes but nowadags i dont give a fly i just wait until my shoes get ruined.
Welcome to the boring grown up world
True. I wonder how people pay 1000+ dollars for a pair of shoes.
How much did Nike pay for this story? Nearly everyone who uses Nike app or SNKRS app know that Nike is not really doing much to stop bot!
You can get shadow banned on SNKRS app. I was pending for Jordan 5 UNC for like 25 minutes and they were sitting. Grabbed one using my wife's phone after 30 min of waiting and got an L on my account. Nike is really a joke
Facts
They are, I bot and it’s been impossible to bot 10 minute releases for the last month. Nobody hits with bots anymore on the 10 minute raffles.
And this is why I don't bother with Nike sneakers. If it's really this crazy I need to move on to another style or brand of shoes and maybe come back to it when it's at a more reasonable price/quality standpoint. Thursday sneakers or Standard Uniform...
I am a simple man. I like sneakers from an era of my childhood in which I didn't have to worry about being an adult. But no. Resellers and their bots want to take that joy away from me.
Amazing that something cost about $10-$20 to make and sells for about 10x the original price, still amazes me that people go crazy for.
Botting is out of control and needs to be addressed
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
Facts
This is probably one reason why I've stopped waiting and following for a specific sneaker to drop on the specified date. Everyone would crash the site and it would take forever to reload and by the time the site reloaded the shoes would be sold out. It became a hassle and annoying. Plus I would never camp outside a store for a sneaker release and the stores even had ticket raffles where you'd get raffle ticket, for a chance to buy the sneaker that was being released on the said date. So you have people camping out for a raffle ticket for a CHANCE to buy the SNEAKER they want. That's when I said, yeah I just get it if its available otherwise I'm not bothering. When it becomes a wild goose chase, somethings wrong and I'm done.
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
The difference between buying for profit and buying for personal pleasure.
Imagine if BOTs took away our essentials like water and food
Almost did, remember the toilet paper situation during covid
It could eventually get there if the supply is supper low
People would do it too make no mistake
Cloud seeding & other tech will contribute to the water wars
@@kimcruz1305 I remember that and they were selling them on eBay Amazon and other local apps to get certain thing
Big sneaker companies are definitely loosing loyal customers. Sneaker buying is unfair to an average consumer these days. I’ve honestly stopped buying sneakers all together lately, since it became pointless to even try to purchase sneakers off the Nike app. Every release that I tried to go for on a Nike Sneakers app in the last few years I wasn’t able to get, because it gets sold out in literally seconds. And I’m definitely not paying resale for a consumable product like shoes. Thankfully I have a large enough collection I’ve acquired over the years to last me a long time. But I do feel bad for people these days having to pay outrageous resale prices for something they want. I miss the days when we were able to walk into the stores and try on and buy sneakers we want on the spot, instead of dealing with bots and these ridiculous online lotteries/raffles and queues etc. 🤦♂️
*losing
There’s actually a lot of ways of to combat this. Rarer shoes could be sold in store only. Also limiting the number you can buy in stores. Also jacking up the price of the shoes in store or online so that the resellers make less money.
It’s weird that Nike is so successful. The shoes look plain. The green ones looked ugly in my opinion. People may not realize it but you are mainly just paying for the name. You could buy very similar shoes for way cheaper.
FWIW Rare shoes that are sold in stores usually do not go to regular people. Before there was botting, there was backdooring, where people in the know would get first access. Only real way to combat reselling/botting is to release extreme amounts of stock where anyone who wants one can get one. But, companies do not want to do that because it ruins the Hype of a product.
@@redsunsx01xthey should definitely produce more pairs than the demand or restock! Look at the pandas. Everyone is mad it restocks but it makes sure everyone who wants a pair has one and at retail!
Most pairs are backdoored
Then the store sell them back door.
Lmao ok, dude. Pairs be walking out the backdoor all day long for in-store releases, not to mention the fights and shootings. Keep rocking your Wal-Mart buddy kicks and leave quality kicks to sneakerheads.
Not really a problem, they could sell those shoes at a more correct price initially or distribute more of them. The bots really only boost the second hand market prices which is kinda the goal of those shoes manufacturers ;)
The thing about sneakers and manufacturing is more removes the incenitive for sneakerheads. If there is tons of stock and everyone can buy a pair its not special anymore.
@@davineastlund4669 bingo. This is why the "problem" will never be eradicated because it helps the sneaker manufacturers
Scarcity is the cornerstone of capitalism and consumerism
@@AskMiko yep and this fool felt for it traps. It not even special, just sheep's
Go find real hobbies that it just not buying.
Shoe companies cant just make more and more pairs like they do with shoes like the "panda" dunk. They need hype and popularity around sneaker models/colorways. Without it, it wont be special and people wont care to buy it. If somebody wants a new popular shoe but cant afford it on the resale market, they get it the next time it releases. Shoe companies and second hand markets rely on each other
The Adidas and Ye contract could be a ploy to drive extreme scarcity and once the shoes hit the market, they are snapped up. What people do for money is alarming.
It shouldn't be surprising if you've seen influencers doing the most outlandish (and) criminal things for clout and money.
Even MJ himself once said:
"Stop it. Get some help"
Don’t let some of these shoe collectors sob story fool you either. If they had the chance to hit on an crazy shoe and it’s going for an insane amount they’ll resell it in a heartbeat or even wear it once then sell for a good profit. Resell will only die out if the demand is less than the supply which is never.
Fr they thought we were gonna feel bad for them 😂
Old ass dude seemed so soft compared to that kid.
I truly feel like people don´t get the actual problem. 13:35 he sums up the actual problem. Demand and supply. Botters of course "cheat" by using money to put in so many entries. However even without the botters it would be impossible to get shoes due to its high demand. If the supply was actually anywhere close to the demand companies (at least short term) would make more money and people would be happy. But then again at least in case of shoes there is prestige that comes by wearing something rare. If its not rare less people want to wear it.
It´s a different case with consoles and graphics cards all together. However again the demand was just too big. The supply couldn´t keep up with the crypto hype.
Personally I think that lots of those shoes look great and if they fit me I´d love to wear them. However I´d probably not even be willing to shell out the original 160€ or 180€. You can buy 2-3 good pairs for that. Also the quality is pretty much the same and they´ve been made by children all the same. So yeah...
First thing to note is that there is not an actual problem to begin with, people have shoes on there feet and companies explicitly want there products to have an artificial scarcity.
not the same at all with the GPU market as the companies would prefer every customer who wants there GPU to get one, and the people did not have the nessecary hardware to run the programs and games they want. In that market you have a legitimate problem.
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
The Kobe releases have me really depressed, he's my favorite athlete & since his passing his shoes are always made in limited quantities & eaten up by bots and resold at obnoxious prices.😢
Buy reps
Today🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Imagine paying over 1k for a pair of shoes you’ll never wear. What a waste.
"Nova asked us not to reveal his real name out of security concerns" like what his whole face and UA-cam profile are being provided in the video. Your security went out the window when you agreed to do the interview 🤣🤣🤣
The big issue is no company wants to take ownership of actually verifying the sales of their products are to legitimately unique people because all they care about is sales. It's funny that the person on this video "botter boy nova" says it should be legal because he has a financial incentive in it. There are two ways to eliminate the problem:
1) Just ramp up supply of the products to a dramatic account to make up the supply being taken in so that it doesn't create an artificial scarcity effect which is the sole reason these malicious bots exist. This is what happened with the PS5 and scalpers are paying heavily for it because they thought Sony doesn't like having their products in actual consumers hands.
2) If there is a limited quantity available of the product then unfortunately you're going to have to reveal the buyer's identity at the time of purchase because that's how bots thrive through anonymity.
It just amazes me given the advancements we have with economic research that we're still seeing these issues come to life and the blame goes to the government officials in power since they just don't care.
3. Switch brands
The only way a company could verify a human sale in all scenario's is for a government issued SIN or the countries equivalent based on sale to be provided and to limit the sale to two pairs per individual SIN.
The Citizenry would not allow that level of verification
The Government would not allow that level of verification
And then the obvious additional issue of a private company trying to verifiy SIN numbers
Do I hate bots? Yes, absolutely. But as someone who only uses the "manual" style of copping shoes, it comes with the territory. The satisfactory of hitting on a pair of shoes manually is the best feeling.
Highly recommend finding the same color way with a different brand instead of being a billboard for Nike
the problem is not the botters, its the people who buys from botters/scalpers.
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Chicken or egg, it’s both
the problem is not the human traffickers, it's the johns that use their services.
@@jobunaga4178 while your point is obvious the example does not work as human trafficking is not some abstract product, someone is being abused to provide the product and abuse is also being done when that product (the human in question) is used. Which makes both illegal at the point of creation and at sale.
@@jasonu3741 it's you that is missing the point. a solution that tries to focus solely on the demand side of the problem does nothing to dismantle supply side infrastructure. the problem isn't the buyers, the problem is both the buyers AND the sellers. homeboy's thinking is flawed.
Well researched content
BotterBoyNova is the goat 🐐
Every avenue has it's drawbacks. When it was FCFS, people were cutting the line. Then still today, there's store's back dooring pairs to their friends and family. Online raffles, their apps crashing, dealing with bots. No matter what they choose to do, there will always be something to deal with.
While i respect the hustle. It ultimately hurts Nike and in the long run... the average consumer losing trust in Nike's ability to get the goods to the actual consumer.
If i can get the product legitimately... i will ultimately just never buy from X company again
Nike won't care.
True. I stopped buying Nike shoes and being a sneakerhead as shoes were annoying to buy due to stock or site issues
I was on the adidas site for 6 hours, and I didn’t cop anything
It’s not just SNKRS, even sporting events and concerts are now getting botted.
The real problem is the mindset of the sneaker community. If all of a sudden something will be accesible, people will lose interest and the product wont sell out. Teenagers want to go back to school with a kick that nobody else has. And companies want to maintain the hype and sell out every single item. If bots were successful 3 years ago, as AI will be improving, bots will become more sophisticated.
Nope. Gave up on snkr and nike app bs. Never once "Got Em". Have fun nike
NOVA OUT HERE FORREAL
Or, go look at what’s on the resell market, then make more. The key to stopping it is to drain their pockets dry. Win win because you are still selling on both ends. Re release a batch at a time to see how the market performs. I’d expect a bunch of returns so a revised return policy seems smart as well.
The last straw for me for me this year. I was trying to purchase the Travis Scott AJ1 “Canary” for retail price for a rerelease Wednesday, August 28, 2024. Sneaker Con sent me the code to get the link to purchase on the launch date. I clicked it and it said sold out.
These companies are all working together to have people signup or do giveaways and they really only give them to their inner circle. So I just buy sneakers from old releases that I wanted from private shoe collectors. They can have this industry, but I still win. I just buy from them, review the sneakers on my channel and wear them.
I am using that money for savings, self investments, and buying property. I am not the one all be all in the shoe industry, but they lost a loyal customer who normally just saved up to pay whatever price there was.
Everything happens for a reason right?
I wouldn't say companies necessarily love this problem, because the demand is there, if the bots weren't there the shoes would sell anyways, but with the bots someone else that isn't the company is making larger profits without having to invest in the manufacture or marketing of the product.
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
In the end, they're just shoes.
Just go back to releasing in stores only. Problem solved.
Nike wants to put the retailers out of business
The funny thing is that ultimate collection sneaker selling at $900 is probably a low quality $10 manufacturing cost.
Pre-orders is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
It's funny because all of the criticisms made against botting and reselling on the secondary market also apply perfectly to the housing market. The fed should not allow people to do it.
Welcome to collecting anything that can be bought or sold on the internet. Bulk buyers and bots have almost ruined casual collecting.
Exactly 😂 they bulk buy from botters and back door pairs
The alternative to fighting the bots, fighting NEVER going to work. Stop limited edition. If people want to buy X number of shoes and can’t. Just make X+1. If bots buy them all. Sell more. Eventually the shoe will become over saturated and the botters will stop scalping
Contracts and limited material will stop that. Then there are mass returns, which the video didn't mention, as well as chargebacks to contend with.
@@Zimfier3 The new policies state refusing returns and chargebacks with policy.
No I think Pre-orders is the ONLY way to resolve this issue once and for all.
6:36 rocking the Foamposite Metallic Red.
Stop selling online. Sell all in stores with 1 shoe per buyer. Have to show ID. They have to scan it so when they scan it shows that the person has bought it and cant buy another pair.
Botting is such bottom feeder behavior. If you have any tangible skills why not use them for something that contributes to society instead of leaching off of it? Unfortunately it’s only someone’s passion that’s affected and not their livelihood, otherwise this would have been outlawed a long time ago. It’s only a matter of time before the disconnect between brands and end users grows so large that they will make any effective changes to combat the issue.
Yeah this is so true. If a person just loves sneakers and there’s a specific pair that they want, they don’t even get a chance to buy it because the bots purchased all of them. These people are so greedy.
Ayyyy BOTTER BOY NOVA mans on MNBC let's go
Nike just needs to flood the market with millions of pairs. No resell value if they do this. Very easy fix. They will sell the shoes to people that really want them to wear.
Anyone who buys shoes knows Queue-it is the most useless thing ever. Most people stopped shopping at Snipes because they use Queue-it and all the bots eat.
"no purchasing products for resale". lol
Most botters are nerds and honestly don't care about the sneaker culture. I promise if there wasn't any resell value they wouldn't care for most releases and would only buy what they truly like. Whereas a "real sneakerhead" will buy every color of a silhouette to say they completed the pack or so. Even cop' multiple pairs of the same color-way due to their extreme passion of having an "item."
As soon as a particular model or colourway stops reselling, general consumers don’t want them anymore
Look at the air jordan 1 high, as soon as the resellers stopped buying them, they sat on shelves for months, then went on sale
GG Nova!! BoTs will continue and will be the best way to cop any type limited hype shoes!!
The companies don't care, there you go.
How consumers fight bots? Reps.
This is an amazing video. People who aren’t sneaker heads don’t know about bots! They just think anyone can buy any shoe. We’ll that couldn’t be farther from the truth. Your average joe has no chance of buying any HYPE Sneakers! Unless they wanna pay a premium price! (Resell price) this video 100% true. So pay attention and learn from this video:
I can not believe people are collecting boots. This is so first world problem...
Feels people need something to collect… I’ve seen videos of people hoarding candles, water bottles, and even nail polish. It’s so wasteful.
1:12 zoomed in on the backnof that credit card 👀
There is a slowdown cause people can’t get them and they get over it and no longer interested which in the long run will hurt their business 😂😂
That’s what’s exactly happening alot of people are just going back to the mall or shoes store to get other shoes
Then there’s the reps…
These bots and people have destroyed the sneaker culture.
It's amazing how much people will pay for ugly footwear.
I think they should invest in limited physical releases. The roi may be less than online releases, but I think it will cater to the hobbyists and die hards who want that feeling again, and it could be good marketing?
Everyone knocking Nike for not trying to help the issue, you're not paying attention. Ever since they started flooding the market with Pandas, the whole market has dropped. Special release shoes will always be rough to get, and even if humans get them, they're still probably getting resold.
Pre-orders is the ONLY way to resolve this issue once and for all.
Who buys a $160 shoe for over $1000. I guess im too broke because i won't buy it. My limit is around $200 for a shoe. There are too many shoes out there.
These aren't essential goods. The government probably has better things to do than to worry about some dude getting his favorite sneakers in green.
Tell us more about how you don't know how the economy works.
@@QS-si3cq but why when I can read your dumb comment
Nottrippin should see this
I think the part that bothers me the most is it. I want them because I want to wear them.
It’s never going away. The harder it is to get something, the more hype it gets and the more chances these things sell out. Let’s face it, at the end of the day, it’s all about the money. I’ve never won any release after everything went online. I lost interest in the sneaker game and y’all could have it and just stare at the sneaker instead of wearing them.
Botting on Sneakers should be illegal. They should be banned on adresses, names, birthday's etc to be excluded forever. Things have to get shipped somewhere. Just auto-ban places they try to ship multiple entries to. Botters will be out of the picture real fast if they need to find 30 pickup points all the time with them being banned.
BotBoy made it to the news 💪🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The resellers and bots caused the people to go buy UA's. Not paying resell for any damn shoe. If I miss out, oh well.
Pre-orders is the ONLY way to resolve this issue once and for all.
Very slim on details - Like why would reCAPTCHA not work? Why would limiting 1 pair of sneakers per CC used not work? Why not come up with their own version of a bot detection system? It's not that hard.
AI Captcha solvers. Almost all websites limit 1 pair per cc but virtual ccs are a thing. Almost all websites have an antibot just the sneaker bots keep getting updated and created that theres always gonna be a successful bot out there.
Beyond this, many captchas can also be solved for fractions of a penny each by captcha farms in 3rd world country. Makes it nearly impossible when remote input becomes possible. Not to mention if bots are too expensive you can hire people for cents an hour, and have them remote into US based vms. The best filtering methods are by address in my opinion as it becomes very expensive to filter, but to does take reasonable sophistication to be able to identify things like dorms apt buildings etc internationally
See 11:19 it looks like the guy solves captcha for the bot. Also there are beermoney sites where you solve captchas
This stuff is why Millenals and Gen Z still live with there parents in there late 20's and 30's.
*their "there" is a place.
Shoes are just shoes… people are weird….
It's annoying and unfair the bots. People should stop purchasing the resell snickers. If they are not getting then leave it
Y'all want it to stop then stop paying over retail price
splash pings posting futura dunks like anyone in that group could afford them is hilarious.
I like the solution Adidas has found with Confirmed. With their app, you have a certain amount of time to enter into a lottery for a shoe, and the winners are randomly drawn at the end of a countdown. This has helped me buy multiple pairs of Yeezys at MSRP since everyone who wants the shoe is given the same chance, it doesnt matter if a bot clicks faster than you.
This problem is a decade old. The real problem is we have to many fake sneaker heads thinking shoes make you cool.
what do "real" sneaker heads think then? It's a silly thing to be into anyway...I mean I collected baseball cards as a kid, but doing it as an adult would seem odd. This is sort of the same. Their cheap shoes that have no intrinsic value beyond being able to wear them on your feet. To each their own I guess.
i dont understand why ppl collect shoes that they dont plan to use
@@ErrkNjerk lmao you wear them on your feet
They're weirdos
There's only a handful of shoes people actually care about in 2023.
Most GR stuff is there if you want it, but people are tiered of paying $200+, and if stuff doesn't sell out day 1 people don't have that 'now or never' pressure to make them want to fight over shoes.
Shoe Scalper = Anyone want to pay $1000 for shoes?
World that has been instantly cured of stupidity = No
Shoe scalper = 😱
Shoes never go above retail again.
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Pre-orders is the ONLY way to resolve this issue once and for all.
This guy is literally sitting behind a warehouse full of sneakers and says:
" I just want one pair in my size. I actually want to wear it. And bots..."
I don't condone violence, but that guy definitely deserves a smack. In the face.
Lmaooo facts
Yeah, one pair of a style, dummy.
I’m not paying anything more than the original price from Nike,Adidas etc🤷🏽♂️
I blame Nike not the Bots. They are only cashing in on Nike's BS!
These companies would be smart to create better affiliate programs, raise the price more and this would allow the buyer to share content oin the shoe they bought, share an affiliate link, make money with the company, helping them and the buyer without the buyer needing to flip.
I say this because i've been testing several channels selling via ebay affiliate links and I've made over 6 figures just with that and not selling my own shoes.
Pre-orders is the ONLY way to resolve this issue once and for all.
Bots make me want to just give up on gettin new sneakers especially with dunks or jordan 4s
Me too. It makes me want to stop buying Nike. The bots are taking the fun out of my passion for sneakers.
oh hey thats us :) 🌊
Botting should be illegal, it clearly effects consumers
nike knows bots keep an artificial demand for their shoes high. the less people that can get them means the more they'll resell for which means people continue to think that nike shoes are still unobtainable and ultimately continue to chase them.
Nike should do preorders of their sneakers. Put a preorder up for 2 weeks or so and then just make enough to fill the preorders.
Finally someone with a brain!
Pre-orders is the ONLY way to resolve this issue once and for all.
Nike, supreme ( when the hype was there ) and other brands knew about these issues years ago. They just want a piece of the pie that's all
I just bought some Michelle Jordan. Something tells me I got fakes. I also believe the Toby Bryant shoes I purchased last week are fake too