Amazing...now add a recumbent style seating for those of us with "back problems" and I would want one. I have a recumbent trike with a bafang bbshd mid drive to get me out in the world living again...you guessed it...I had a spinal cord injury and one of my limitations is not being able to sit and be comfortable till I discovered gravity chairs and recumbent trikes.
I also am limited for the same reasons.To get up off a recumbent would be almost impossible for me after a ride.I've seen a bike seat with a lower back pad that would work well on this.I'll look at the Bafang mid-drive.TY.
I tried to make pretty much exactly that using super capacitor's as a battery about 18 years ago but the technology was not there I had the ideas I knew I was on the right path after seeing a concept mockup in engineer magazine. but I didn't have the laith or the mill so I gave up. NOW i can just buy yours thankyou for your time and dedication to bring this to market
If your commute is likely to have seasonal snow/ice this type of stability could be a gamechanger. I would likely spring for foam-filled tires even if they come with a slight efficiency penalty.
I owned a Piaggio mp3 400cc scooter with 2 front wheels and a single rear wheel. The front wheels had parallelogram suspention allowing it to lean like a motorcycle, but with added stability of the second front wheel. It was the most sure-footed bike I ever owned. To bring that kind of stability and suspension to an e-bike is genius! I live in The Villages, Florida where golf carts and bikes are the preferred mode of transportation. E-bikes are common, but expensive here. If you can hit this type of active retirement market with a bike limited to 20 mph, it would sell very well. Good luck with your company and I hope to see these for sale soon!
I have a Trike 36v I made & it's been flawless 8 years. Please don't limit your wonderful machine to commercial sales only. If it's not over priced you will have huge market.
They won't be able to sell MLM for less than $6k, probably not less than $8k which means loaded up as a delivery vehicle $10k, which would honestly be worth it for a company, but that price would attract flak from the e-bike review and DIY builder community. Maybe they can scale up production and sell them for $5k, which would be fair but still out of reach for most people.
This is definitely a great amazing product. It will be very new in sight in the Philippine environment. I love bicycling as a form of exercise. I will be ordering this year 2022 if they will allow overseas ordering.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace No throttle? How is the power moderated? And that turning circle looks very wide and fixed, which is obviously potentially problematic.
Startups really needs additional products to maintain and support bigger projects like FUV. Loves the idea of MLM that tilt and pedaling to charge the battery. Whilst the Piaggio MP3 scooter and Yamaha Niken MX leans too but no EVs and pedals. Kronfeld Motors' Raht Racer trike has similar ideas of charging batteries through pedaling as well as plug-ins (unknown if he still exist).
Another pedal generator transmission ebike is the very different Frikar podbike. Its a 4 wheel enclosed recumbent / velo-mobile for the EU market with 2x 250W motors and will launch around $6k Euros in late 22. This MLM is a simpler vehicle so one might expect a lower launch price. However if you want to get that 200 mile range, an auxiliary battery pack would have to increase the capacity to at least 2kWh and likely add 30lbs extra weight. Neither company offers a pedal generator system efficiency value even for a best case.
> Neither company offers a pedal generator system efficiency value even for a best case. Because they're aiming at people ignorant of Laws of Thermodynamics and can't print clearly on the tin "This thing will never work".
Ya. I was watching this and thinking about winter/snow ground clearance. I can't use my recumbent trike if there is more than about 2-3" of snow for a few reasons.
A company in Poland makes an EV4 semi-recumbent e-trike that looks and tilts similar to this. Last time I checked, it started at @$4500 plus $1500+ for shipping. I would expect to see this MLM start at around $5000-6000. Too much for me, but if they can get it down to $3000-3500, I might sell all my ebikes and buy one. A recumbent seat would be nice, but it really needs to have a good rear rack.
Checked out the EV4. MLM doesn't look so innovative as it did an hour ago. I'm still waiting for one though. I've been sending Aptera information about the EV4 line as it would narrow their autocar by a foot which would really improve them.
looks interesting. (see: EV4 Semi-Recumbent - version 2 ua-cam.com/video/WzauGDnjIxc/v-deo.html ) . I have a BikeE semi recombent. I like it alot. the electric drive is currently not working at the moment. I had it working with a Golden Motor 1000w rear hub motor. Unfortunately, the BikeE company is defunct several years ago. And finding parts to repair it are complicated and potentially expensive. For example I had to repair or replace the rear air shock and that shock is no longer made. So I have had to find a work around to get that to somewhat work till i can find another shock absorber that is the right size. Also, the brank components are a bit hard to find. I hope to have the bike up and running again by this summer time on a shoestring budget.
@@dennismitchell5276 I'm sorry Dennis but Rick is on top of electric trike pricing. Just look at the Rad equipment. Two wheels, one motor and starting at $1,500. My top price point is about $2.5K so I expect so be walking for a few more years to come. That EV4 is a really, really neat machine but look at that price.
Looks great. Unfortunately I've seen many products that looked great and never made it to market, so we'll have to wait and see if this one does. It's a really nice concept. Of course the other thing is that even when you go to preorder one on their website they don't tell you what the price will be.
Who'd preorder when there is no pricing!? "It's a really nice concept"...yes and that's the EASY part....getting it to PRODUCTION is the hard part. There are other similar machines already in production and on market, but not with self charging that I've seen. BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN EVERYTHING LOL Proof I have not seen everything, I just recently discovered Personal VTOL Aircraft, several types of MANNED drone style machines are now in production....and have been for over one year!!! If you see this, check out the JETSON ONE, a personal manned 4 motor electric VTOL, $92,000 with obstacle avoidance, 62MPH cruise for 20 minutes on stock battery, projectile parachute....imagine sitting inside your hobby drone scaled up to fit you!
Try the velotilt with 2 hub motors. The best thing about this things is that you can charge it. But if you forget about the wallplug, how efficient is it? The twike had a mode where you can use just pedal power. But for a guy who peaked at 67km/h in a quest (which is actually low), a twike on pure pedal power does not at all work. Let's say I can do 150W for a few hours. How efficient will it use that 150W for charging? To be clear: In a quest, you can easily do 40..50km/h but traffic lights are killing. So I want to charge the drive away power while I am waiting, or biking at 140W, and divert extra watts to charge the battery.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace it's available..... and not called an MLM, for a pitchman who claims to be jovially hyperbolic, calling your product the one Pyramid scheme that is legal in the USA, the dude might be tipping his hand a little too much
I would like to see it go into curbed sidewalks one wheel at a time. This would represent an emergency maneuver to get out of the way quickly. Will it tip over? Getting a quick groceries and getting on & off the sidewalk.
the wheels are too small to do that, however, having ridden a Yamaha Tricity for several months, i can assure you that if something similar were to happen, these front tilting 3 wheelers are AMAZINGLY stabler than conventional 2wheelers. hitting small kerbs, deep potholes, ruts, etc, feels like NOTHING, even at high speeds!
Trikes have stability problems as detailed by Archibald Sharp in Bicycles and Tricycles, published by MIT Press. Still the best book ever written about dynamics as applied to the current subject matter
I have been waiting to purchase the right scooter . this one has great design . only thing missing is make it collapsable to fit in car . better investment than a peleton / it better have a plug so i can charge my phone and headllights and tail lights
Needs a throttle, IT IS A MUST! There will be plenty of times that it will be safer or practically necessary to move it without lowering a pedal. Also it would be far more useful, efficient and less tiring to work with it if standing on it like a scooter is a natural and fundamental part of it's design.
Ya... E-to-E (electric to electric, some times also abbreviated e2e) has been a thing in the e-bike world for a while. Tilting trikes are not new either and have their own set of problems. I've seen e2e work when used with low wattage motors (250-300w range) but when paired with higher wattage motors it often becomes little more than a range extender.
i like that you can use it as room bike too. but how do you control speed? i was also thinking why electric bikes dont have generator and electric motor without chain... i mean sure you can just use electric for going up hill but generator and motors are nice idea
The pedal generator can make things so versatile. I had the idea for an amphibious recumbent trike using similar tech (in my list of stupid things to do when I'm rich). Would make a fun hire vehicle for lakeside adventures
It's a HORRIBLE idea. People don't really understand the amount of power in a kwh battery. Most people would be lucky to be able to output 200watt hours in a setting. Compared to a bicycle chain drive system, this is VERY inefficient. Bicycle chain drives are very efficient, like 99%. This would be lucky to get 85% efficiency. Pedal by wire is DUMB. This bicycle is very complicated and is going to cost a fortune.
Brilliant 👏 👌 👏you made them made my day🙂🌍 I made my first electric bike out of scrap 30 years ago made a 3 wheel 2 wheel drive 36v 19bhp solar wind powered machine but never developed it. Your machine is cool 😎 the future 😎 I thought motor in wheel way to go 💚 🌏 but never developed it, your machine is amazing 👏
I'd order it now and just wrap it in plastic for winter if there's no accessories for the cold yet . But your websites just says $100 . No price I think 1200 -2200 depending on the battery. I'd like to not burn fuel this winter if possible
it's like a tiny upright version of a Bowhead Reach with foot pedals instead of hand drive. Excellent job being ahead of the curve, there, Arcimoto. I think they should just sell the regen drive IP and retire like the Motoczysz folks did; that's really the feature they're selling here. But the front end is pretty nice. I think this is a more refined design in a couple ways than many other full link suspension front ends but that's the only interesting thing for me here. Thanks for bringing us so much content I can pick and choose and have honest opinions because there's so much content that's actually what people want here.
I'd love to work on something like this.... It would be so much fun to design a frame and drive system that can charge itself like an exercise bike, that's such a cool idea. If I had a bike like that I'd want to see what else it could power in my home or if I could make it charge a battery for emergency power... That would be awesome¡! 😃 Great video.... Thank you. 😁👍
It charges nearly nothing. There's was a test made with a professional cyclist and even he could barely power a toaster working his ass off. The podbike is very close to this and pedaling for the full duration of the ride only adds about 2 or 3% more range.
A quite respectful Functional Threshold Power (FTP) for a moderately-to-well trained cyclist is 4W/kg, sustainable for an hour. For me, that would be 320W. If I could manage to somehow do that twice a day, that would give me 640Whr/day. If my house uses 20kWhr/day, then my fit-self can power it for about 45min. Without training, the average person could maybe power their house for 15min a day, at the house's average power consumption. And, like Pedro stated, if a family member turns on the 1500W toaster, good luck powering that for more than zero seconds.
It's STUPID. It is a 100% electric vehicle that you cannot charge by riding stationary because the battery in this thing would have to be enormous. Most people would be LUCKY if they could charge 200 watt hours in a single sitting. Chain bicycle drives are over 99% efficient. Even assuming a user could put out 200 watts continuously to drive this thing, an electric drive train is FAR less efficient, probably on the order of 80-85%. NOBODY is going to charge the battery as a stationary bike. It would take 5 hours or more at top output to charge a battery of any reasonable size for a fully electric drive train, say 1kw hour.
Get a solar panel, or two. I think it is more about "charging yourself up" or, "we love to pump you up" . I wouldn't want to wear out something that expensive as an exercise bike, tho.
@@OWK000 You can't charge it by using it as an exercise bike, at least not effectively. You just can't generate enough electricity with your legs. Even if it has a relatively small battery, say, a kwh, it would take you hours of exercise to charge it. If you rode it as an exercise bike for an hour a day, you might charge a small 1kwh battery in 5 days. This thing is going to cost a fortune if it is ever even made. Figure on at least 5k probably closer 10k DOLLARS.
For me, increase the length or move pedals forward, replace saddle with recumbent seat at bottom of curve, add U-Joint to bottom of handlebar, add curved windscreen, and please replace the lopsided sway arm with a normal one that isn't constantly torqued.
I imagine it's for the prototype because of the expense, increased wear, and increased maintenance it would require. It looks dope, and dope gets funding
Also recumbents are generally frowned upon by commuters because of the risks in sharing the road. But it would be killer for power and efficiency for sure
@@grinchyface Semi recombents are much easier to share the road with than full recumbents. A semi recumbent is essentially like being seated in a car and the head is in about same height range from road as a person sitting in a car. I have a BikeE, which is a Semi Recombent. And i have ridden it 1000s of miles on the streats. I added a 1000w golden Motors hub motor to the rear. I added a small rectangle platform behind the seat to carry cargo.
That's also a redundant power backup for computers and radios, there's no reason you can't charge other batteries. Why keep an emergency hand crank charger and radio that doesn't work when you can power the TV and fridge by peddling your bike. (something a lot of people already do.
I need a e-bike/walker that I can ride to the store and into the store. It needs a trailer. A chain or a shaft drive is fine because it won't get used much. A leaning feature requires a lock. It needs an inside mode where the power is available but the speed is limited.
Me want one! Remember, not need but want! But maybe the frame base probably needs to be sitting a wee bit higher. Make sure it will have trailer accessories. Oh most important, affordable. Hell, I'll invest in the company!!!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
And then a Half scale version for tight city streets and sidewalks? I can’t imagine riding that Limousine on NYC streets. Plus you need a whole garage to store it (per the video). Most gyms don’t even have bike racks, we are gunne need miniature parking garages if this is transportation of the future. These guys need to talk to LTT... and run a Manhattan test...
I had the project for this in my head since 2016 and did nothing about it it 😢😢😢.... it's just a low rpm generator feeding the motors and a small battery to level out the system.
Why can't you have the bike (with a built-in mini-generator) charging a battery while it's in motion with the in-use battery? You could just keep flipping a switch to change between batteries for which one is being recharged while you're in motion.
Looking forward to the autonomous, photo voltaic skinned, mini camper/transit-personal generator unit, with, on board, water from air technology, scheduled for release in 2024.
Will it be 1/100th the price of two teslas? I would prefer to see the two wheels at the back, that could allow for cargo space between the wheels. At the kind of speeds the average biker would feel comfortable at...say 25mph, I'm not sure all that tech is necessary.
id save your money and invest it in Aptera motors instead they are the longest running ev company in existence and they built a solar powered car in 2005 for the us market that failed to launch because everyone in the early 2000 was afraid of technology and the world ending ever year. cheapest best ev that has ever been made and there website gives you a break down of how long based on commute and sun in your area it would take the car to pay for itself now that they are back and coming to market soon. $100 and you can reserve a $33k set price for a car that charges itself and will have a claimed range of between 250-1,000 miles a charge depending on the trim package.
Aptera is the only true green ev company, the car is made out of recycled materials for the most part, its not " solar powered " but with all 4 solar panels you can get up to 40 miles of range solely from solar charging. three wheel awd options for "off road" suspension clearance although we don't know what that looks like yet. options for driver assists that are actually save and have a driver monitoring system that makes sure you always have your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road otherwise it alerts you and pulls to the shoulder when its safe to meaning it could later be adapted for if someone has a medical emergency (heart attack, seizure, stroke) to call for help after pulling you over as well as preventing distracted driving accidents like the triple auto pilot tesla collision. options for a pop out tent kit made for the hatch, options for a pet kit with a safety wall cover later and built in no spill water and food dishes. they have had almost 20 years to make it perfect before launch.
i would love to have a bike like that but if its going to be "rent to use and have a built in battery pack" then i will strongly pass, having a battery pack built in does save costs in building the bike "but" it also creates more problems down the road like if any of the battery cells fail how will that get fixed more so if you can own the bike id rather see the bike being able to be bought and have modular battery packs for range extension
A step Segway would be even better. Imagine standing upright and making steps in one place and the wheels below roll and charge the battery at the same time. No sitting - all healthy
This looks super fun to ride, but to call it an e-bike... well, you would have a hard time locking this up at a bike rack, and if I was trying to lock my bike up and this thing was taking up a bunch of space, I'd be pretty annoyed, not gonna lie. So if you take this out to run errands, where do you park it and lock it up?
And I was just searching on UA-cam for a motorized pedal trike (where two wheels are in the front) for my girlfriend who just shown extreme interest in a trike given she cannot ride a bicycle. I am worried this will be well over $5000 for the base product given everything else the company sells is so pricey? I reserved one though and will see what happens?
Amazing...now add a recumbent style seating for those of us with "back problems" and I would want one. I have a recumbent trike with a bafang bbshd mid drive to get me out in the world living again...you guessed it...I had a spinal cord injury and one of my limitations is not being able to sit and be comfortable till I discovered gravity chairs and recumbent trikes.
I also am limited for the same reasons.To get up off a recumbent would be almost impossible for me after a ride.I've seen a bike seat with a lower back pad that would work well on this.I'll look at the Bafang mid-drive.TY.
I tried to make pretty much exactly that using super capacitor's as a battery about 18 years ago but the technology was not there I had the ideas I knew I was on the right path after seeing a concept mockup in engineer magazine. but I didn't have the laith or the mill so I gave up.
NOW i can just buy yours thankyou for your time and dedication to bring this to market
If your commute is likely to have seasonal snow/ice this type of stability could be a gamechanger. I would likely spring for foam-filled tires even if they come with a slight efficiency penalty.
I owned a Piaggio mp3 400cc scooter with 2 front wheels and a single rear wheel. The front wheels had parallelogram suspention allowing it to lean like a motorcycle, but with added stability of the second front wheel. It was the most sure-footed bike I ever owned. To bring that kind of stability and suspension to an e-bike is genius! I live in The Villages, Florida where golf carts and bikes are the preferred mode of transportation. E-bikes are common, but expensive here. If you can hit this type of active retirement market with a bike limited to 20 mph, it would sell very well. Good luck with your company and I hope to see these for sale soon!
Gave up my drivers license when I had a severe stroke. I could use this MLM now! However, I live in Japan.
I have a Trike 36v I made & it's been flawless 8 years. Please don't limit your wonderful machine to commercial sales only. If it's not over priced you will have huge market.
They won't be able to sell MLM for less than $6k, probably not less than $8k which means loaded up as a delivery vehicle $10k, which would honestly be worth it for a company, but that price would attract flak from the e-bike review and DIY builder community. Maybe they can scale up production and sell them for $5k, which would be fair but still out of reach for most people.
@@Nphen Thanks, I understand. Like so many things, just beyond my reach.
This is definitely a great amazing product. It will be very new in sight in the Philippine environment. I love bicycling as a form of exercise. I will be ordering this year 2022 if they will allow overseas ordering.
I hope so too!
@@ElectricVehicleSpace No throttle? How is the power moderated? And that turning circle looks very wide and fixed, which is obviously potentially problematic.
@@G58 you will have to watch the full video the builder explains all
@@ElectricVehicleSpace I did watch the full video. Where did he answer my specific question?
Startups really needs additional products to maintain and support bigger projects like FUV.
Loves the idea of MLM that tilt and pedaling to charge the battery. Whilst the Piaggio MP3 scooter and Yamaha Niken MX leans too but no EVs and pedals.
Kronfeld Motors' Raht Racer trike has similar ideas of charging batteries through pedaling as well as plug-ins (unknown if he still exist).
Very cool! Personally I'm not in but I'd buy it or recco it for my Nana. Seems great for the elderly! Good job guys
This is a cool looking bike that utilizes a lot of good ideas. I hope they can execute.
Ok i definitely need this tricycle because I'm bad at riding a bicycle. Hopefully it releases during my lifetime
Another pedal generator transmission ebike is the very different Frikar podbike. Its a 4 wheel enclosed recumbent / velo-mobile for the EU market with 2x 250W motors and will launch around $6k Euros in late 22.
This MLM is a simpler vehicle so one might expect a lower launch price. However if you want to get that 200 mile range, an auxiliary battery pack would have to increase the capacity to at least 2kWh and likely add 30lbs extra weight.
Neither company offers a pedal generator system efficiency value even for a best case.
> Neither company offers a pedal generator system efficiency value even for a best case.
Because they're aiming at people ignorant of Laws of Thermodynamics and can't print clearly on the tin "This thing will never work".
I'm going to wait for the perpetual motion version
I think this is their best product yet!
I'd be interested in a recombinant version with 4 or 5 inches of ground clearance
Ya. I was watching this and thinking about winter/snow ground clearance.
I can't use my recumbent trike if there is more than about 2-3" of snow for a few reasons.
I'm, I'm also concerned about pedal strikes on this thing. Not all of us have nice, flat, paved roads to ride on.
Yeah was thinking the same, looks as if it was designed to be a recumbent but they changed their mind halfway through.
A company in Poland makes an EV4 semi-recumbent e-trike that looks and tilts similar to this. Last time I checked, it started at @$4500 plus $1500+ for shipping. I would expect to see this MLM start at around $5000-6000. Too much for me, but if they can get it down to $3000-3500, I might sell all my ebikes and buy one.
A recumbent seat would be nice, but it really needs to have a good rear rack.
Checked out the EV4. MLM doesn't look so innovative as it did an hour ago. I'm still waiting for one though.
I've been sending Aptera information about the EV4 line as it would narrow their autocar by a foot which would really improve them.
looks interesting. (see: EV4 Semi-Recumbent - version 2 ua-cam.com/video/WzauGDnjIxc/v-deo.html ) . I have a BikeE semi recombent. I like it alot. the electric drive is currently not working at the moment. I had it working with a Golden Motor 1000w rear hub motor. Unfortunately, the BikeE company is defunct several years ago. And finding parts to repair it are complicated and potentially expensive. For example I had to repair or replace the rear air shock and that shock is no longer made. So I have had to find a work around to get that to somewhat work till i can find another shock absorber that is the right size. Also, the brank components are a bit hard to find. I hope to have the bike up and running again by this summer time on a shoestring budget.
get it down to $1000.00
@@dennismitchell5276 I'm sorry Dennis but Rick is on top of electric trike pricing. Just look at the Rad equipment. Two wheels, one motor and starting at $1,500. My top price point is about $2.5K so I expect so be walking for a few more years to come. That EV4 is a really, really neat machine but look at that price.
@@unclegeorge7845 Pretty much a rich kids toy. I fully understand the price. Just wishful. Labor is expensive.
Two people generate power will be sweet for traveling! can't wait to see.
I did not expected Ironman would be a boss of Acrimoto, but there he is :-D
Looks great. Unfortunately I've seen many products that looked great and never made it to market, so we'll have to wait and see if this one does. It's a really nice concept. Of course the other thing is that even when you go to preorder one on their website they don't tell you what the price will be.
As you rightly said only concepts, no reality so far.
Who'd preorder when there is no pricing!? "It's a really nice concept"...yes and that's the EASY part....getting it to PRODUCTION is the hard part.
There are other similar machines already in production and on market, but not with self charging that I've seen.
BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN EVERYTHING LOL
Proof I have not seen everything, I just recently discovered Personal VTOL Aircraft, several types of MANNED drone style machines are now in production....and have been for over one year!!!
If you see this, check out the JETSON ONE, a personal manned 4 motor electric VTOL, $92,000 with obstacle avoidance, 62MPH cruise for 20 minutes on stock battery, projectile parachute....imagine sitting inside your hobby drone scaled up to fit you!
Nothing about this concept makes any sense. I hope the creator goes broke before anyone wastes their money on it.
There's the second other thing. As long as there are automobiles, we're screwed. Have you seen the size of a pick-up recently?
@@whatilearnttoday5295 why do you say that?
Try the velotilt with 2 hub motors.
The best thing about this things is that you can charge it.
But if you forget about the wallplug, how efficient is it?
The twike had a mode where you can use just pedal power. But for a guy who peaked at 67km/h in a quest (which is actually low), a twike on pure pedal power does not at all work.
Let's say I can do 150W for a few hours. How efficient will it use that 150W for charging?
To be clear: In a quest, you can easily do 40..50km/h but traffic lights are killing. So I want to charge the drive away power while I am waiting, or biking at 140W, and divert extra watts to charge the battery.
Great idea, hope you bring to the UK
Super. now a rain cover which is portable and yo are great to go :)
I just baught a Emove Touring Escooter today!! I love it!
How is that connected to this e trike?
@@ElectricVehicleSpace it's available..... and not called an MLM, for a pitchman who claims to be jovially hyperbolic, calling your product the one Pyramid scheme that is legal in the USA, the dude might be tipping his hand a little too much
I would like to see it go into curbed sidewalks one wheel at a time. This would represent an emergency maneuver to get out of the way quickly. Will it tip over? Getting a quick groceries and getting on & off the sidewalk.
I think we all know how jamming into a curb at speed would turn out. I'm not saying that I wouldn't love to see someone do it though.
the wheels are too small to do that, however, having ridden a Yamaha Tricity for several months, i can assure you that if something similar were to happen, these front tilting 3 wheelers are AMAZINGLY stabler than conventional 2wheelers. hitting small kerbs, deep potholes, ruts, etc, feels like NOTHING, even at high speeds!
it's not a car ... it is a bike ... and there is ur answer
Trikes have stability problems as detailed by Archibald Sharp in Bicycles and Tricycles, published by MIT Press. Still the best book ever written about dynamics as applied to the current subject matter
@@bingosunnoon9341 *non -tilting trikes. these are tilters.
Be cool to see it have a rear rack and front bag mount too....touring ready😊
That would be cool! This prototype looks like will not hit the market.
I have been waiting to purchase the right scooter . this one has great design . only thing missing is make it collapsable to fit in car . better investment than a peleton / it better have a plug so i can charge my phone and headllights and tail lights
Great job great work 👍
I am glad you liked it!
Looks comfortable to ride.💪💪❤❤
Just what my wife needs....Get it on Guys...Let the UK know..
Excellent trike. Will you have tire options like knobby 4 inch tire. Also sturdy model for big guys.
This charge system is what all ebikes should have.
No.
Only if one is ignorant
RIP Arcimoto. Crying shame they could not make it! Hopefully, someone, somewhere, salvages the designs and actually builds and sells them.
That would be cool but I dont think this will happen.
Really nice one mate. 👍 G'day from Australia 🇦🇺
divine invention ❤
I hope this evolves or eventually offers something closer to a recumbent riding position. A lower body mass position. With a seat back.
And a cup holder.
Needs a throttle, IT IS A MUST! There will be plenty of times that it will be safer or practically necessary to move it without lowering a pedal. Also it would be far more useful, efficient and less tiring to work with it if standing on it like a scooter is a natural and fundamental part of it's design.
They're making this seem like it's some new, revolutionary technology.
Ya... E-to-E (electric to electric, some times also abbreviated e2e) has been a thing in the e-bike world for a while. Tilting trikes are not new either and have their own set of problems.
I've seen e2e work when used with low wattage motors (250-300w range) but when paired with higher wattage motors it often becomes little more than a range extender.
@@Shindinru whats E2E? I cant find anything about it online
i like that you can use it as room bike too. but how do you control speed?
i was also thinking why electric bikes dont have generator and electric motor without chain... i mean sure you can just use electric for going up hill but generator and motors are nice idea
The pedal generator can make things so versatile. I had the idea for an amphibious recumbent trike using similar tech (in my list of stupid things to do when I'm rich). Would make a fun hire vehicle for lakeside adventures
It's a HORRIBLE idea. People don't really understand the amount of power in a kwh battery. Most people would be lucky to be able to output 200watt hours in a setting.
Compared to a bicycle chain drive system, this is VERY inefficient. Bicycle chain drives are very efficient, like 99%. This would be lucky to get 85% efficiency.
Pedal by wire is DUMB.
This bicycle is very complicated and is going to cost a fortune.
@Jinx Powder The dumb stuff that gets funded is just mind-blowing.
@@tarstarkusz 50% on the pedal charge I'll bet
Good job ,how nicely it's moving.
Brilliant 👏 👌 👏you made them made my day🙂🌍
I made my first electric bike out of scrap 30 years ago made a 3 wheel 2 wheel drive 36v 19bhp solar wind powered machine but never developed it. Your machine is cool 😎 the future 😎
I thought motor in wheel way to go 💚 🌏 but never developed it, your machine is amazing 👏
I'd order it now and just wrap it in plastic for winter if there's no accessories for the cold yet . But your websites just says $100 . No price I think 1200 -2200 depending on the battery. I'd like to not burn fuel this winter if possible
This is cool looking bike 😍
absolutely. I hope it makes it to production.
Great bike , I like the design it looks futuristic but not to much , Amazing .
I hope they start producing them
it's like a tiny upright version of a Bowhead Reach with foot pedals instead of hand drive.
Excellent job being ahead of the curve, there, Arcimoto.
I think they should just sell the regen drive IP and retire like the Motoczysz folks did; that's really the feature they're selling here.
But the front end is pretty nice. I think this is a more refined design in a couple ways than many other full link suspension front ends but that's the only interesting thing for me here.
Thanks for bringing us so much content I can pick and choose and have honest opinions because there's so much content that's actually what people want here.
Thank you! More coming, please 🙏 share and don't forget to like.
Sadly, Michael Czysz passed away in 2016.
They're $15,000?
@@animalfriends7595 What is he known for?
@@unclegeorge7845 silly price for something that everyone in US suburbia should have.
I'd love to work on something like this.... It would be so much fun to design a frame and drive system that can charge itself like an exercise bike, that's such a cool idea. If I had a bike like that I'd want to see what else it could power in my home or if I could make it charge a battery for emergency power... That would be awesome¡! 😃
Great video.... Thank you. 😁👍
It charges nearly nothing. There's was a test made with a professional cyclist and even he could barely power a toaster working his ass off.
The podbike is very close to this and pedaling for the full duration of the ride only adds about 2 or 3% more range.
A quite respectful Functional Threshold Power (FTP) for a moderately-to-well trained cyclist is 4W/kg, sustainable for an hour. For me, that would be 320W. If I could manage to somehow do that twice a day, that would give me 640Whr/day. If my house uses 20kWhr/day, then my fit-self can power it for about 45min. Without training, the average person could maybe power their house for 15min a day, at the house's average power consumption. And, like Pedro stated, if a family member turns on the 1500W toaster, good luck powering that for more than zero seconds.
It's STUPID. It is a 100% electric vehicle that you cannot charge by riding stationary because the battery in this thing would have to be enormous. Most people would be LUCKY if they could charge 200 watt hours in a single sitting.
Chain bicycle drives are over 99% efficient. Even assuming a user could put out 200 watts continuously to drive this thing, an electric drive train is FAR less efficient, probably on the order of 80-85%.
NOBODY is going to charge the battery as a stationary bike. It would take 5 hours or more at top output to charge a battery of any reasonable size for a fully electric drive train, say 1kw hour.
Get a solar panel, or two. I think it is more about "charging yourself up" or, "we love to pump you up" . I wouldn't want to wear out something that expensive as an exercise bike, tho.
@@OWK000 You can't charge it by using it as an exercise bike, at least not effectively. You just can't generate enough electricity with your legs. Even if it has a relatively small battery, say, a kwh, it would take you hours of exercise to charge it. If you rode it as an exercise bike for an hour a day, you might charge a small 1kwh battery in 5 days.
This thing is going to cost a fortune if it is ever even made. Figure on at least 5k probably closer 10k DOLLARS.
Is the battery detachable? In cold places it should be so the cold doesn't break it
brilliant, now an off road version, kudos
Brilliant? Rediculous is more like it. This system is stupidly inefficient
Oh you made a backwards tricycle! Revolutionary!
For me, increase the length or move pedals forward, replace saddle with recumbent seat at bottom of curve, add U-Joint to bottom of handlebar, add curved windscreen, and please replace the lopsided sway arm with a normal one that isn't constantly torqued.
I imagine it's for the prototype because of the expense, increased wear, and increased maintenance it would require. It looks dope, and dope gets funding
Also recumbents are generally frowned upon by commuters because of the risks in sharing the road. But it would be killer for power and efficiency for sure
@@grinchyface Semi recombents are much easier to share the road with than full recumbents. A semi recumbent is essentially like being seated in a car and the head is in about same height range from road as a person sitting in a car. I have a BikeE, which is a Semi Recombent. And i have ridden it 1000s of miles on the streats. I added a 1000w golden Motors hub motor to the rear. I added a small rectangle platform behind the seat to carry cargo.
looks like a lot of fun!
That’s awesome but I want a FUV with doors. So it can be used during winter. The solo only has 1 seat, so no use for most people.
This is freaking amazing 🤩, HOLY *#%* 😱🤩, and this is only the beginning stage, they have a lot more room to even go further, damn I’m speechless 😶 😎
Best learn up on thermal dynamics. Self charging by peddling in inefficient compared to powering via direct mechanical transmission.
i would like to try it look fun and at the same time your doing exercise
Saldrá a la venta en México? Gracias.
That's also a redundant power backup for computers and radios, there's no reason you can't charge other batteries. Why keep an emergency hand crank charger and radio that doesn't work when you can power the TV and fridge by peddling your bike. (something a lot of people already do.
What is the efficiency of pedaling? In ebike is like 90 %. I guess this has about 60 %.
we will get more info once production starts.
I need a e-bike/walker that I can ride to the store and into the store.
It needs a trailer.
A chain or a shaft drive is fine because it won't get used much.
A leaning feature requires a lock.
It needs an inside mode where the power is available but the speed is limited.
I'd have one for sure
Beautiful
I did build it for my graduation show in 2007.
Looks great we need more cheep transportation
If it is made economical, countries like Bangladesh and India can make huge progress in urban mobility.
Bonjour où trouve t'on ce tricycle en France ?.
Are there also such bicycles for people over two meters and 200 kg in weight?
Me want one! Remember, not need but want! But maybe the frame base probably needs to be sitting a wee bit higher. Make sure it will have trailer accessories. Oh most important, affordable. Hell, I'll invest in the company!!!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Looking good. Need to be little more comfortable. From wheels need to be more narrow for better manuvering in tight spaces or narrow path
Went to check out the preorder, but they won't tell you how much it costs! Why?
And then a Half scale version for tight city streets and sidewalks? I can’t imagine riding that Limousine on NYC streets. Plus you need a whole garage to store it (per the video). Most gyms don’t even have bike racks, we are gunne need miniature parking garages if this is transportation of the future. These guys need to talk to LTT... and run a Manhattan test...
Looks great, even better if it had a comfy recumbent seat :-)
I had the project for this in my head since 2016 and did nothing about it it 😢😢😢.... it's just a low rpm generator feeding the motors and a small battery to level out the system.
Just do it!
@@ElectricVehicleSpace should have long time ago... but not to late still... i mite just do that...
Any newer update on this bike?
Imagine a joint venture with Velove creating a some what different type of transport.
I love this! Move over Peloton.
This is the perfect peleton.
How about the FUV what is the status please
Great bike,i love it
I have not watch the entirety of the video. Is there a need for recharging it since it is self-charging?
Is this already available here in the Philippines? I plan to buy this trike asap.
Would love to see a recumbent version
Exactly what I was thinking. Move those pedals forward, put in a lower, proper seat, and you've got something.
Yup, and full body kit.
@@markthomasson5077 Velomobile zooooooooooooooooooooom
Is this available in Texas and is this in mass production?
needed and wanted right now right now at the time.im 73 i have one question .how much.
Price not disclosed yet
Why can't you have the bike (with a built-in mini-generator) charging a battery while it's in motion with the in-use battery? You could just keep flipping a switch to change between batteries for which one is being recharged while you're in motion.
Anyone know the targeted price range they are looking at?
Why does it still have a sprocket? Any plans for a cargo bike?
I'm sure they will make accessories for this model
a superior version of this would be cool as a fold-out backpack type of deal
Looking forward to the autonomous, photo voltaic skinned, mini camper/transit-personal generator unit, with, on board, water from air technology, scheduled for release in 2024.
at least arcimoto has managed to take their fuv to market, hopefully this does not end in vaporware
I'm going to wait for the perpetual motion version
Wish I had this on my paper route as a kid in the 70s,I would have made more money than my pop.👍
That's so amazing
I am glad you liked it.
Will it be 1/100th the price of two teslas?
I would prefer to see the two wheels at the back, that could allow for cargo space between the wheels.
At the kind of speeds the average biker would feel comfortable at...say 25mph, I'm not sure all that tech is necessary.
Trikes generally have two wheels in front for a good reason
The best product
I'm glad you liked it!
Interesting
The E potential.
Great Advertisement.
Hehehe
Where can one buy one? I am seeing all of these solutions and no one is selling them it is so frustrating..
id save your money and invest it in Aptera motors instead they are the longest running ev company in existence and they built a solar powered car in 2005 for the us market that failed to launch because everyone in the early 2000 was afraid of technology and the world ending ever year. cheapest best ev that has ever been made and there website gives you a break down of how long based on commute and sun in your area it would take the car to pay for itself now that they are back and coming to market soon. $100 and you can reserve a $33k set price for a car that charges itself and will have a claimed range of between 250-1,000 miles a charge depending on the trim package.
Aptera is the only true green ev company, the car is made out of recycled materials for the most part, its not " solar powered " but with all 4 solar panels you can get up to 40 miles of range solely from solar charging. three wheel awd options for "off road" suspension clearance although we don't know what that looks like yet. options for driver assists that are actually save and have a driver monitoring system that makes sure you always have your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road otherwise it alerts you and pulls to the shoulder when its safe to meaning it could later be adapted for if someone has a medical emergency (heart attack, seizure, stroke) to call for help after pulling you over as well as preventing distracted driving accidents like the triple auto pilot tesla collision. options for a pop out tent kit made for the hatch, options for a pet kit with a safety wall cover later and built in no spill water and food dishes. they have had almost 20 years to make it perfect before launch.
i would love to have a bike like that but if its going to be "rent to use and have a built in battery pack" then i will strongly pass, having a battery pack built in does save costs in building the bike "but" it also creates more problems down the road like if any of the battery cells fail how will that get fixed more so if you can own the bike id rather see the bike being able to be bought and have modular battery packs for range extension
It looks great, keep going. By the way where is your location..?
all info in description.
This looks like Washignton State!!
As a disabled veteran I wish I could afford ANY of your products…
That looks to be a winner to me. Just about perfect. Great job! I hope Tesla sees this and makes them think.
A step Segway would be even better. Imagine standing upright and making steps in one place and the wheels below roll and charge the battery at the same time. No sitting - all healthy
Tesla is doing fine without this degeneracy
Looks like a pure scam to me.
This looks super fun to ride, but to call it an e-bike... well, you would have a hard time locking this up at a bike rack, and if I was trying to lock my bike up and this thing was taking up a bunch of space, I'd be pretty annoyed, not gonna lie. So if you take this out to run errands, where do you park it and lock it up?
And I was just searching on UA-cam for a motorized pedal trike (where two wheels are in the front) for my girlfriend who just shown extreme interest in a trike given she cannot ride a bicycle. I am worried this will be well over $5000 for the base product given everything else the company sells is so pricey? I reserved one though and will see what happens?
Mark said the FUV price will drop to about $12,000 - $13,000 when they get into mass production. Hopefully it will be the same with the trike.
The eventual Target for the MLM is $2K. most likely it will start at 4k-6K