Urgent visa changes in BALI
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- The Indonesian has announced changes to their KITAS visa system which could threaten tens of thousands of long term residents currently on the old retirement visas.
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I worked in Indonesia for the last 20 years of my working life in mining, which involved company sponsored KITA’s. I retired to Bali 3 years ago and after a 1 year spouse KITAS sponsored by my Indonesian wife, ontained a 5 year initial KITAP through her also and this included a 2 year multi entry visa. I leave the country 3 or 4 time a year and yesterday, on my way to Singapore, got far as imigrasi at the airport where they pointed out my multi entry visa had expired. I could have still left, but my KITAP would be voided and I would have to go through the whole process again to obtain a new one. Obviously I am still in Bali today and my warning to all, is to keep a close eye on the validity dates on any immigration documentation you have, because as in my case, time skips by and you forget about these things.
Good and valuable advice
Sounds pretty complicated. Lot of money spend on visas.
Happened to me also! But now we live in Texas. We are going to be moving back in about two years from now.
Thanks, Muzza, for that great insight. From my perspective, the Balinese government has decided to raise its profile. Probably to align to places like the Maldives and Tahiti for example. They want to attract tourists with a big disposable income. They become an exclusive island that will attract people who can afford their intended luxury. Those that can not, will find other destinations.
Yes. This is their plan. Indonesian media has been reporting this for years. Expect further financial pressure on retirees and restrictions on long term visas.
Got told by an agent in Bali that the NEW B211A with straight 180 days visa (no extensions like the current B211A) you will need US$60,000 annual income.
ALSO, that means Australian aged pensioners getting approx AU$2000 (Single Person) a month will not be able to live in Indonesia long term. As most pensioners live month to month with limited cash in the bank.
Sometimes I think Western governments like Australia have been leaning on countries like Indonesia, to tighten up the visa regime because they are not happy with their citizens spending their money outside Australia long term.
Maybe this is a test run to see if they can drag in millions and, if not, they will change the rules again and, then again when a newly elected government is installed.
Thank you for video Murray, easy to understand and informative.
I`m fortunate to be able to afford the $50,000 USD to deposit into a local bank, without Indonesian government guarantees on return of the $50,000 if the bank collapses it`a no go visa for myself and many other people looking for expat retirement abroad.
The new regs will take a lot of expat money out of the local economy, I wonder if there will be enough wealthy retirees etc to make it up.
Keep up the great work mate.
Great information bro,thanks for letting everyone know about ocky also,talk very soon my friend.
Thanks for the info. Moving the retirement age to 60 isnt great news 😢 I guess holidays for 5yrs is the only plan.
Regarding Kitas for retirees, I completely agree with you. Since the requirements have changed and you must have at least $3000 USD per month, this is going to cause problems for many people and that's a shame. Bali is getting too greedy. They only want rich people.
Thanks for the work.
I’m currently investigating the process of retiring to Bali, Lovina area.
This is going to have an impact.
Stay tuned for updates as they come
@@MurrayWilkinson1 thanks for the reply.
What do you want to do in Singajara?
@@oringo556 I’m investigating retiring to the Lovina area. I’m 62, own a house in Australia and a business in WA. I’m a health professional with a good income and the ability to work FIFO.
I am looking at a sponsor arrangement.
Thank you for the time explaining all this information, most appreciated. I can understand why the government is putting things in place in Bali as there’s now just too many ppl living there and not contributing to the system. I wouldn’t have a problem investing money in Bali when l eventually retire, it’s obtainable.
Thank you so much Murray for providing information that actually makes some sense. Sad to say though it looks like my dream to retire to Bali has now slipped away. Having to rely on the Australian aged pension for income comes way short of the criteria as is the expectation of having a huge amount of money sitting around to deposit into a bank account. Cheers
The Philippines and Cambodia are still easy places to live in. You can be on a tourist visa for up to 36 months in Phils. I understand you only need to be over 55 to get a retirement visa for Cambodia. Info: Amazing Philippines channel for Phils, Dave Does Cambodia and For Riel channels for Cambodia. Take care.
To make the Aus pension portable there are rules. I wouldn’t assume that you will get the Aus pension when you leave, there is a 2 yr wait and if you return for more than 6 months you have to serve 2 yrs wait again. I advised our mates of this, they were unbelievers, they found out the hard way!
nationalseniors.com.au/uploads/1409-NationalSeniorsAustralia-FactSheet-AgePensionPortability.pdf
With the fluid Bali visa issue and the strict Aus policy, isn’t worth it.
G'day Muzza.
Here's what I'll be doing when I retire:
Fly to Bali - and spend 60 days in paradise.
Then catch a cheap flight to Thailand - spend 60 days in Pattaya.
Then back to Bali for 60 days, before another 60 days in Pattaya. And so forth. No need to obtain a long-term visa in either country.
Consider Philippines too!
@@ihn2023 I've been to the Philippines twice - stayed at Subic Bay, Angeles City, and Boracay. Enjoyed my time there, and will visit again one day. However I rank Bali and Thailand above the Philippines - the nightlife is so much superior in the former two.
@@jamesplunkett9567 Ok no worries!
Love your videos keep up the great work cheers 🍻🍻👍😎🇦🇺🇦🇺
Yeah...There are things that are concerning and confusing...
Would be GREAT to do a Q & A if he would be happy to do so, maybe in a week or 2 to give time for questions to come in.
( HE IS VERY HAPPY TO SHARE HIS EXPERTISE AND HE IS ALSO CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE COMING TO LIVE IN BALI GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND ASSISTANCE ).
Just sat through this.again and really the take away for me was.....
GET CLEAR AS TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN BALI.
HOW LONG YOU REALLY WISH TO STAY.
AND HOW YOU WANT TO LIVE IN BALI.
I think when you have that clear, a lot of the regulations do not apply and drop out of focus. Making it easier to navigate your requirements with the regulations that apply.
Thanks Muzza, definately see why you would want an icey cold drink of coke before you started. 😮😅
Doesn’t seem fair for the old expats that have lived in Bali and supporting the economy for years. I think it would be wise for Aussies, to NOT sell their homes in Australia whilst living in Bali. Always have your home in Aus for just in case, unforeseen circumstances as law changes or medical conditions etc.
Most of them could not live in Bali without selling their homes.
Hmmmm. I do hope the Indonesian Government isn't going to shoot themselves on the foot with the new Senior Citizens (2nd Home) Visa. Many of us on the old retirement kitas are happy to continue to support the country's economy by renting accommodation and employing staff. But to tell us we now have to deposit $75K AUD into a local bank account, is a game changer, and will likely drive alot of people like ourselves away. I hope common sense prevails Muzza.
Great info mate,your wall looks fantastic bye the way great job,thank you
YOu are such a smart and nice guy. Also likes to drink! I wish while I was stuck in Bali during covid I would have been able to meet you and your Wife. I had my restaurant in tanjung Benoa but it didnt survive Covid and I lost the motivation to start it up again. from 2019 until 2022 I was there without exiting, so once I left I was relieved and havnt been back. My mother still lives there so I will be back to visit at some point. There are very many russians these days living there. more I dont say. ALso all the construction.....it takes away from the true Bali I grew up in the year 1990. YOu mentioned how lucky people like us were to experience covid there....how right you are...the island just for ourselves only. SInce I grew up there form age 5 (my parents also had a hotel in nusa dua, bali royal suites) since I am close to the locals and speak bahasa and balinese so I wanted to make content like BALI BEHIND THE SCENES...not from the typical travel or tourist perspective but seeing the way the locals live really and this during covid times. THat is what I wanted to make my youtube channel about but it didnt work out for me...now my channel is just comedy so nothing relating to the island. THANKS FOR THE SUPER VIDEOS!! GOOD ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Murray, you're a right Champ.
Thank you for all that you do to help other people out.
I love the Bali wall backdrop.
Murray, did you design and put it all up yourself?
Or, did you hire a contractor to do such?
It really is stunning.
I did it with my mate Alan (pictured in thumbnail)
@@MurrayWilkinson1 Brilliant! It looks professionally designed, cut, backlit and installed.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.....
LOOKS FANTASTIC....
DOES A MULTI TASK JOB....
REALLY IS A GREAT BACKDROP AND VERY FITTING.
NICE WORK MUZZA 💯👍
@@vickokoszka6836 It is quite the piece of back drop art I have to say.
Thanks! I really appreciate your efforts to keep us tuned!
Grateful work Muzza. Love your stuff, Ozzie AAF mate
Ocky is fantastic. He always response to people.
Thanks for this video trying to explain all these visa changes. Being here already on a retirement Kitas our visa agent still hasn't been able to confirm these changes won't affect us going forward. It's not good. For so many people. 😢
I am hearing both versions of the interpretation and that's why I tried to wait before posting but still no clarification
@@MurrayWilkinson1 yeh ultimately I don't think these changes are a good move for Bali and Indonesia. Almost like cutting off the hand that feeds them!
Thank you for the simplicity of the explanation and great information. Would like to buy you a brew on our visit and pick your brain a tad on our next visit in October. Im 59 now and looking forward to building there and staying more often.
Good on you Muzza … great effort explaining it all …
Thanks for the update
Gidday mate my house goes on the market next week NSW far south coast once it’s settled I’m coming over I’m 65year old retired bricklayer need a long R&R c u when I get there last time I was in Bali was 1986 had just about enough of Aus. That lobster looked great.
Hi dear, originally I'm from Indonesia. But I have lived in the UK for the last 35 years. I would like to retired. I hope it's not difficult come back to Indonesia😂
Thank you for making a nice clear video in layman’s terms 😊. What’s up in Bali Ocky is an awesome source of information and he responds quickly. I have a question for you though 😮, if that’s ok, if you apply now for a retirement visa do you know how long it takes to come through, how much it costs and, how long do you have to activate and, how long do you have until you must be over staying in Bali? Sorry, that was more than one question but I only used one question mark 😂😂❤ I have pets so am not quite ready to move yet 😢😢. Thank you for your awesome videos. X Gill
Thanks for all the info
Too complicated for various visas here and always change every year. Better marry me or poligamy welcome. Easy way
Hi Muzza hubby and I have been watching all your videos after deciding that bali is potentially our retirement goal / but whilst we can still enjpy life.
Our plan is to a few holidays and experience different areas and inspect villas etc first so we are familiar.
A question we have after watching this video is, whilst I'll be just over 60 yrs when we make the move however, hubby will still have a couple of yrs until 60....will that matter???
Cheers Tj
Ps your videos are so damn helpful thx
Good job Muzza, thanks.
Occy's email doesn't seem to work though mate.
Cheers thanks for the update.😢
Warning !!!
New rules only for foreigner who plan to stay more than 1 year in Bali.
For temporary stay still implementing standard regulation.
I said that...
Those it have to be a wife or husband for the family Visa, I have a daughter that lives in Bali.
Well….I’m 71….. was thinking about Indonesia. I have $3,000.00 a month income. But looks like that is not good enough for Indonesia.
I’ll look elsewhere.
Hey Muzza, Love your work Especially this video and info. Love listening and watching your you tube channel. I am wondering what sort of Visa I need, now that things are changing over there. Can you tell me what type of Visa I need for volunteering for a non profit organisation for only 2 weeks? Cheers and keep the entertainment coming.
If you are not getting paid I believe you should be ok with a visa on arrival but best to check with the group u are helping
Is Second home visa replacing retirement visa? You mention in the videos retirees having to find $75,000 Au, but as far as I know the requirement for second home is 2000000000 Rupiah, or about $195,000 Au at the time I write this. Has it been changed? Could you clarify this, or point us in the direction of someone who could?
Muzza you and me are fine , no real change at all😅
Onya Muzz👍
If these retires have to move there will be a lot of villas on the market which is really bad for these people
There is talk that existing visa recipients will be except from the new regs but nothing has been announced
@@MurrayWilkinson1 I am going to get my kitap in Feb March I also want to buy land in Bali I am married to a Indonesian i don't know what a post nup will protect me if anything goes pear shaped
Better find woman here to marry like me. Bules can be residenship. Im ready to marry with bule too. Easy way
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If you have the funds to deposit US$50k in Indo account are you able to use this to live on? That’s my big question. Also when you decide to return home how hard is it to close the account and get your money back? (Senior citizen)
I believe you can use it to live on, but if you have to reapply after your visa expires then you might have some issues.
Withdrawing the cash is easy here
Is the $50k per person or for married couples?
Indonesia are going to screw themselves with these changes. I think I will look at another country to live in
What does this mean for Allan ? Is he going to be able to continue his retirement in Bali 😮
I really hope so but as yet we are waiting for more clarification from the govt
You can have indo residenship from me
A Current Affair ..."Muzza changes Visa requirements . It's all His fault"
Funny
Yeah funny bro
Thailand just announced free visa for Chinese tourist, then Chinese tourist booking increased 800% directly.
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MUZZA......THIS IS SOUNDING LIKE A MONTY PYTHON SCRIPT😮😅😂
I DO CHECK WITH OCCY AT WHATS UP BALI AND IT GOT TO A POINT THAT ILL CONTACT HIM WHEN IM READY......AND LET HIM SORT IT OUT....TOO MUCH FOR ME!!!
DOES MY HEAD IN😮
Mine too
😅😂
Only 2 weeks ago, I was searching about the Financial Requirements for Retirement Visa, and learned that each person must deposit $130,000 USD into a bank in Indonesia - I am confused...?
My blog is as up to date as we know just yet. Contact Ocky for any latest info
Pak Oky is the best and very trustworthy, thumbs up from me. Easier to get a trustworthy agent 🐨🥰
i lived in Bali for 14 years and never used a visa agent ..., the truth is everything in Indo regarding law and visas will always be presented as vague or grey .
Immigrassi and Indonesians in general 'often' dont even have the correct answers themselves laid out clearly and precisely for the 'nitty-gritty' details for things.
Changes on rules or procedures in Indonesia change rapidly like the weather, thus making it difficult for even them to keep up to date....,
BUT - What makes thing even worst , and more confusing , and even totally misleading I..., is their custom of 'saving face' .
What this means in real life, is more often than not, Indonesians try to avoid admitting they do not have the answer to your question, as to them this makes them 'lose face' or feel stupid etc.
So...., (lets say you went to immigrasi for information) ...., rather then lose face in front of you (i.e. by admitting they dont know the answer to your question, or are confused by the vagueness of the recent updates etc) It is common practice to simply invent their 'own interpretation' of the answer. Not all do this, but many do, especially if you get up on your 'high horse' thus worstening the matter.., where theyll avoid seeking a superior to get the correct answer, as they'll feel like they are losing face in front of them also.
If you need to correct a misinformed immigrassi officer, do so only with extreme tact and caution so they 'save face' , ONLY do it in such a way as to deliver it to them like is not their fault, remain humble , and the blame for any confusion is because of example; opon head office/ or someone else / etc, and never on them.., otherwise the door will close in 'your face' every time. Tii