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A true Yogi will tell you that it is impossible to separate The Hindu religion from the poses used in Yoga. Yoga means “to yoke” (with the ‘other’). Each pose is worship to a Hindu god.
I know a man who is undoubtably a Christian - a leader at my former church - who practises Yoga. I discerned that when he was down over a recurring knee and back injury and could not go running any longer, that he was being challenged by God to give up what had become an idol. I am half his age in the faith and so rather than 'rebuke' his desperation to be running again, I simply prayed that God would reveal His heart on the real issue. This man dug his heels in and I had seen him rail against the gentleness of the Holy Spirit previously in other areas. He was simply desperate to be running again and rather than accept he couldn't, he started Yoga.
As soon as I heard this I knew he had hardened his own heart. It is as if "God won't heal me so I will do this instead".
Even trying to Christianise Yoga is folly, for the Holy and the profane cannot be mixed. I remembered reading Death of a Guru and the warnings he gave about Yoga to the church - this guy had a first hand knowledge of such things way beyond the average person who might think that being stretched into the form of a snake or a frog is in any way harmless. My son, when he was 5 years old, came home from school one day and told me that they were being told to become like various animals. I asked him who the teacher was and I was not surprised to hear it was the long hared hippie who had already attacked my daughter (who was 9) over her faith in Jesus. I went down that school, spoke to the head, got it stopped for everybody - they were indeed practising Yoga.
That teacher was shortly after removed from the school and I believe it was God who removed him. We so need to keep a close eye on our children both in schools and in the church when they go into their groups. Kundalini is something I saw creep into another former fellowship - the emptying of the mind, visualisation, fire tunnels, transferable anointing, sexual writhing on the carpet, orgasmic sounding women, the works. That got in through a series of connections to Todd Bentley and those who commissioned him as prophets and apostles. One of those people was a certain Bill Johnson; a hero of the faith and seen as beyond reproach by the leaders at my first fellowship. If he said somebody or something was from or of God then it did not need to be tested.
The church is as much of a minefield as the world - and will be increasingly so as we near the end. I despise both strange fire and the powerless, prideful form of religion that is devoid of the life of the Holy Spirit. Both are counterfeits.
the military posture of "parade rest" has an analogue to a yoga posture. I am certain you would not consider "parade rest" to be demonic.
I and my wife used to pray to YHWH through using runes and casting runes... until the LORD convicted me about it.
Easy solution, pray to a more loving god, one less evil.
Books cited (My count so far) : "Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old Testament
" by John H. Walton,
and "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus" by Gary Habermas and Michael R. Licona,
and "Science and Religion: A Historical Introduction" by Gary B. Ferngren
and "Alternative Medicine: The Christian Handbook" by Donal O'Mathuna
and "The New Age Movement" by Ron Rhodes
and "Healing Engergy: Whose Energy is It?" by Randy Clark
Thank you!
What ? No Bible ?
@@toolegittoquit_001 lolol if we're on a Christian podcast discussing the Bible and theology without already owning anf studying the bible then we're at the wrong party
@@toolegittoquit_001 Just saw this.
Lol, you'd be hard pressed to say the Bible isn't the subtext, pretext and interpretive method for everything discussed here. I assumed we all knew the Bible was the source material.
I absolutely love this episode! So good!
I've been pondering this and then boom! Here it is! Thanks for the upload, great conversation!
Can I just say that there is no such thing as “redeeming” a demonic or occultic practice and trying the “Christianize” it.
The Catholics took PAGANISM and “Christianized” it!!!
Why tho.
@@camronphillips6669 because God creates, He doesn’t copy. God does not need to use any of Satan’s tools to accomplish His work.
So then in context with old testament accounts where the Israelites took certain worship artifacts from conquered nations they were punished(even the money etc) i.e. supporting that even a hint of evil we should not participate. Thus, if you look at that from scripture, how can a Christian support watching Harry Potter or celebrating samhain at all?
Can I ask what if God made crystals but some defile them. Don't we clean his created things by Jesus blood and then they are safe.
"Precise theological languages and categories create safe boundaries for Christians to exist in and when we speak in general or or even just theologically sloppy language it produces room for people to come in and devour individuals who don't have strict categories"
@Hello Berean You don't believe the leaders and members of Bethel are Christians?
Nonsense.
Please forgive my bluntness, brother/sister, but let's just talk about your conjecture that they're not Christian.
1. Jesus is the Son of God.
2. Jesus is fully man and fully God.
3. Jesus is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit, in perfect hyperstatic union.
4. Born from a virgin.
5. Crucified, dead and buried for 3 days.
6. Rose again 3 days later, was seen by many witnesses, and ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God.
7. Salvation is a gift of the Grace of God, not earned, but given only by the (also) gift of faith to call upon the name of Jesus Christ, repent and turn your heart from sin and fallen ways, and continue to walk fully reliant on God's presence to live day by day.
8. As the redeemed children of God, we are called to live like Christ and rely on the Holy Spirit to give us the ability to walk as such... learning from the God-breathed words of the Bible and building one another up as Body of Christ until it is fully matured, to continue to turn away from sin and put off the old nature.
9. As for righteousness (never earned but still an active participation with God's redemption in our hearts), we are dead to sin and alive in Christ and are to "put off the old man."
10. Made in God's image, children of God, redeemed by the Blood, maturing and growing in Him, never becoming God nor any such deification of humanity, but being made day by day into a more perfect image of the Bridegroom. Again to hit that heresy- NOT ever becoming God (little gods video quote still misapplied lol).
11. Jesus is the only way to eternal life with God, and He is our only hope of salvation from eternal death and destruction...
Let's see... that cover the basics of what a Christian is?
Do your research. Read statements of faith. It's very well displayed.
And it's not a mystery, nor is it a secret answer their thronging, duped masses just don't realize - it's not some cryptic "aha there's the quote " you'll find in a few videos that "prove" they don't believe the real gospel 🙃.
You can make exceptions to the rule with odd behavior and troublesome quotes, but they're *still* taken out of the much, much, larger (decades old) context of not just words, but also actions that do help balance some of the more problematic-sounding quotes, *and* absolutely demonstrate a tested and tried dedication to Jesus Christ above all else.
If my tone is affronting, I'm sorry. It's because I read your astonishing words as poorly researched trolling at worst, or concerned, good-hearted but misleading slander at best. I assume you believe and mean very well and want other brothers and sisters in Christ to avoid the dangers of false gospels. Even if I disagree, thank you for caring, Hello Berean.
I’m so glad I found this. This is a MAJOR issue in the online business space. “Manifest your destiny”… Thank you for these conversations. I cannot say thank you enough for The Remnant Radio! I’m often looking for ways to share how “new age” has infiltrated our spheres…and this episode is great!!
This was SO HELPFUL! I so appreciate Elijah spearheading the differences between hyper-charismatic practices and New-Age/occult practices. We need to get as much clarity about this as possible so we can recognize it and address it appropriately when we see it.
New mics sound great!
Hey guys, what happened to the podcast version? I'm a missionary and we lose power a lot. I look forward to being able to download and save episodes.
Instead of having Bill, Kris, and others respond to various Bethel controversies via their recent "rediscover Bethel" series, part of me feels like Bethel would do well to put people like Elijah out front. The guy, at minimum, seems to be very thoughtful and well-read and helps with their inherent sloppiness that causes so much concern with them. Language and explanation matter, and he seems to have a grip on that.
I agree!
@@TheRemnantRadio rediscover bethel reminds me of his Michael brown threw bill a bunch of Beachball questions about Benny's "grave soaking" and "waking up angels" escapades. Even my Assemblies pastor has called out some of the false beliefs coming outta that church environment.
If the guest speaker cannot change the course of Bethel, he should leave it!
@@margahe9157 Barnabus never gave up on John-Mark.
@Hello Berean I can't argue with this quality of rhetoric
Excellent video. So glad to see you guys warning about this. I am seeing this stuff EVERYWHERE!!! Praying for “Devils Daughter” that she would become a child of God through faith in Jesus Christ our Lord!!! Amen 🙏
I’m at about the 56 minute mark about casting lots and so forth. I’m curious about the “leading of the Spirit” and how that is discernible. I’m from Rhema so I know it’s possible but it always seems a huge guessing game. Do you or are going to have content on this subject?
I am a Christian, raised a Presbyterian, became a born again Christian in 1976. In 1983 , the Lord healed my broken leg instantly. In 1985, experienced the love of God, began to move in the gifts of the Spirit. I have seen miracles, been healed by the Lord, I have been used by the Lord to heal. At the same time I see nothing wrong with and have been helped by Christians Chiropractors when nothing else helped. Other times it didn't. Once my chiropractor put my dislocated shoulder back in place after after a doctor misdiagnosed it. Never heard a philosophy or belief system taught as part of treatment. It's just a tool.
I would love if you guys would cover declaration & decree in prayer. Where is the line between what would be biblical and what crosses into something more akin to casting spells or simply speaking in vanity?
This is also a practice I feel uncomfortable with!
@@theologymatters5127 I was totally for it for a lot of years, but the Lord has been leading me out of WOF/NAR circles and mindsets in the last year, and this is one of the practices I’m finding myself uncomfortable with that I didn’t think twice about before.
braniannel So my question would be as far as prayer, who or what do you think is listening at the other end?
@@timward3142 God, of course. And I suppose whoever else He wants to listen in. 😅 That’s an interesting question to ask; I’m curious as to your line of thinking with the question.
I, too, would like to see more people rise up against the “declaring” and “decreeing” style prayers. There is none of that in the New Testament. When Jesus taught His disciples (and us) how to pray, he did not say to decree and declare your way to victory. Those are witchcraft prayers. Any time we are manipulating other people, their behavior, declaring our will or “decreeing” what we want to see happen, that is witchcraft. The NAR should be avoided, along with all the associated practices.
When I was first saved, I had a friend who had been Christian a long time and she wicked me right into the “prophetic” movement and NAR. It took years for me to get out, but the Lord delivered me from all of that and showed me the error of those ways. What started my journey was finding out that Rick Joyner was knighted in the Knights of Malta. Then all the chips started to fall.
Bless you.
I know I've commented twice already adding pushback to what Elijah has said.. but also want to say I did appreciate this conversation and his answers. I just wish it also lined up with what Bethel actually teaches as well. Good to know he is in amongst the mix of them though 👍
Do you know of teachings on these subjects that are contrary to what Elijah said? He's very familiar with their teaching.
Agreed.
@@JLo_cke well, study Bethel. You have to be discerning. The documented issues with Bethel have been around for 30 years. 30. This guy gives a nice presentation, but there’s no question that what comes out of Bethel is occult practice. Forget about false healings, false prophecy, fire tunnels and grave sucking. That’s the tip of the iceberg.
I think that some unequivocal definitions for the difference between speaking in tongues, a message in tongues, and praying and worshiping in tongues would be very helpful when talking to denominational Church goers. Words have meanings and so does the lack of them.
I think it's true that when it comes to witchcraft that all of us, Calvinists and Arminians, Methodists and Baptists, Pentecostals and Lutherans, can join together and present a united front in opposition to having any Christianity corrupted by the occult
Every time God moves in history the devil is aware of how to manipulate the language...so it is important to use correct Terminology.
So many words are twisted and become confused in both believers and non believers minds. Religion, religious, church - for instance - all need to be qualified and defined when we speak those words, for each might well mean something different to different people. There are probably hundreds of others. To avoid confusion, we find ourselves speaking clunky and cluttered sentences in evangelism, which is frustrating. There has been a great deal of confusion sown into our language both inside and outside the church. What I know I mean might mean something completely different to somebody else.
Oh my gosh! Yes! I’m a massage therapist and was saved the same month I enrolled in school. I 100% believe He purposely caused me to go into this field with a very real tension about this subject. I pushed back on it every single chance I saw. I still hold space for people to receive from the simple bodywork and Yahweh .. yet I do not demand or expect a “spiritual experience” for any one. I’m keenly aware there are therapists that submit to “other” gods. It’s a simple submission to God. No bells, no whistles. Yeah, I’ve wondered about the spiritual massage peeps… but I leave that up to Him to work out and don’t compare myself. I won’t allow even the clients to influence my work toward that end… but I may pray with them or for them. Really depends on where they are coming from. I’ll boldly pray for non believers if prompted. Sometimes quiet praying in tongues. What a privilege I’ve been given to impact people’s life this way.
Erin Feller So stupidity exists even in massage therapy. You have allowed a belief in religion to rot your brain.
Did he say chiropractic is pseudo science? Chiropractic has cured me of headaches that I had for about 2 years. Disagree with him here.
Genuine question. If a person believes in an All Mighty Creator that is made up of both Divine masculine and feminine light and energy, is that acceptable in the Christian religion?
One more- promise! At 1:03:20 this is a good question and standard to hold Brian Simmons and the passion translation too.. and not endorse it (like Bethel does) IF ONLY based on his vision of seeing an angel who gave him (subjective) "special revelation and secrets" of the bible.
Questions to give to ALL believers of a religion who have "visions" really...
Another interesting point to address is the mantra/style worship that has been happening in so many churches. The constant repetition of words and phrases that obviously affects the mind in a "Hypnotic" way. We don't have that phenomenon in scriptures, but it is widely accepted today. Jesus himself said that our communication with God should not be done through repetition like this, yet many churches accept it because it is attracts people.
YES. The repeating the chorus repeatedly to "stir up" the holy spirit, prophetic/spontaneous worship a lot of times has that type of sense. Sad.
@@TheWayWalker If they quit doing it, they will sell less records and make less money. It's amazing how people do not realize that money is such a sensitive topic for many churches. Poverty also is thrown to the State responsibility, because it seems the Church is only responsible about people's spiritual lives. This Inspired scripture, spoken by Jesus himself, seems not to have importance in the evangelical community:
"44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."(Matthew 25)
@@EvangelhoImigrante I think it's worth noting that a detailed study of what "meditating on scripture" actually meant in the Hebrew was, among other things, "to mutter" and repeat over and over again to oneself. Very different than the self emptying of eastern meditation. However, to call it a chant or mantra may not be far off. Ever seen contemporary Jewish prayer?
I agree with you about certain aspects of worship culture today, but while it's not always my favorite style, I can say for a fact that the innovation that their worship sets brought to the Church changed the depth and purpose of musical worship for me forever in an irreplaceable way- it called the focus to the heart of worship: a Person, not an idea- again and again and again like no other liturgy I've ever seen in evangelical Christianity.
Of course the innovation becomes the norm, and then it becomes overused or abused even, but one thing I will respectfully disagree with you on is that "mantra" or repetition is mostly a bad thing with only a little good, as opposed to mostly a good thing with a little bad when it comes from hype/wrong motives.
EDIT: I think perhaps you mean charismatic circles? Evangelical circles are usually pretty scripturally focused.
As for your money comment, I hate seeing trends become moneymakers, but their worship style did not come from money- it came from youth conferences and worship sets with people so sold out for God that they didn't care if their performance broke the fourth wall and the rules of musical performance.
@@JLo_cke I'm not necessarily saying its a bad thing, I'm saying that its something that is often used in esoteric circles, and the church does the same/similar. I'm just pointing out that there are many aspects of "magick" that are often used inside temples without people noticing them.
@Revvcast Ah, gotcha. Well to your point then, which came first: esoteric circles, or communion with God?
I appreciate your thoughts! May I push just a little more though? You made 3-4 three points that were all pejorative: Mantra-like hypnotic repetition, that not being found in scripture, Jesus's teachings going against it, and quite possibly that this is now used to make money and milked like a cash cow.
I detest sparkly worship services with singers who look like giant personalities revving up a crowd, and my skin crawls when good lyrics being sung are combined with a music video that screams celebrity.
Hey Remnant Radio, In the live chat you mentioned that Elijah also thinks that The Physics of Heaven is a terrible book. Does he have any insight on why the book is still being offered in the Bethel bookstore? I have tried to contact leaders at Bethel but I don't get any response.
I’m curious too! I just looked it up on their website & there’s a review that comes up with the book title that lauds the book for revealing that we are god. O.o
Don’t hold your breath because Bill Johnson and his wife also contributed to it.
@@davidrussell631 That is true, but when I did a thorough examination of the book, I found that the chapters written by Bill and Beni were not at all advocating for pursuing New Age practice. The authors are not(no longer) affiliated with Bethel. The authors got permission to include chapters from Bill and Beni's other work into PoH. So the authorship/collaboration aspect makes things a little muddy, IMO.
@@racheljoyenns Bill Johnson is a pastor, and his wife a church leader in their church. So when they contributed to this book, whether it’s sold in their bookstore or not, Bethel’s members, or anyone, would naturally assume the book as a whole had their stamp of approval on it. A responsible pastor is simply not going to contribute to a book he doesn’t support, right? It’s not like the book was a debate of sorts to present alternative views or something.
@@davidrussell631 Agree. Plus, Kris V (associate pastor/ prophet) wrote the forward which applauds the book and encourages readers to go off the map and follow these pioneers. 🤦♀️
"Casting spells" as in decreeing things into existence? And does he address the moment on the Bethel stage where the "prophetess" dresses up like Gandalf and chants with her big stick declaring that racism would be eradicated? Looked and sounded very witchy to me.
Catherine Shambrook The idea that spells exist in the first place is a big ass delusion. Just like the idea of God.
@@timward3142 Can you prove that God is a delusion
They’re all witches at Bethel
@@timward3142 Yet here you are, trying to convince someone, maybe yourself, that God doesn’t exist😂. Try harder, you’ll get there.👍
@@timward3142 The greatest delusion is the one that God sends.
So I tend to try to re-analyze things in the scripture that don't quite fit a literal reading and this makes me think about what I gleaned on Deut 22:9.
There are ways to plant gardens with multiple plants that is beneficial over-all to growth promotion, but if I read it in the parable way of Christ I see it as a great fit for not sewing the practices of the occult into your worship of God, the field of your spiritual belief and practice.
Next up: "responding to sober drunkenness"
Can this logic be applied to how Christians celebrate the prgan holidays?
My niece went to Bethel but now she has left the Christian faith and practices witchcraft. There is deep error in this school Be blessed.
Maria Billingsley There is only one problem with your comment. There is no such thing as witchcraft or witches. Innocent people were hanged in Salem for this bullshit.
Unequivocating! Yes words matter and I see people calling out "false teachers" for using words like transcending and I felt they didn't know what the other person was talking about!
Josh, I just noticed that your website invites viewers to invite Baptists, Anglicans, etc. Catholics are not invited it seems.
As much as you guys know about the spiritual realm, I'm surprised at how little you know about "extraterrestrials".
Look into Chuck Missler (particularly Return of the Nephilim) and Ron Rhodes's material on the paranormal. You should really get into this. Y'all are doing a great job!
It's not just in the imagination.... there is a lot of disconnect in this conversation that needs to be filled in.
Whenever someone gets fixated on having some sort of power [within] and not the true source of strength (God) and/or gets preoccupied with the creation over the Creator--there is a red flag and herein lies the essence of witchcraft.
Absolutely. These ppl have incredible egos.
Don’t try to make Bethel sound good…they aren’t.
Wow. Elijah, you should really research chiropractic! You are way off. 99% of chiropractors I know are science based. And there is a LOT of research... I can send it to you 😉
And, there is a western practice called dry needling, which goes into the science of what you called needle theory.
I literally chuckled when he mentioned chiropractic techniques. Your spine being physically out of alignment has nothing to do with the spiritual realm. 🤦♀️
@@aconcernedcitizen8011 I encourage you to read the article I posted above in the comments about the occult origins and continued use of innate intelligence by a chiropractor.
Can y'all do something on project blue beam?
Gotta love Elijah Stephens.
Lol. What about actually using a “?” Lololololol I’m sorry, but I just couldn’t resist. Lololololol love you guys. Keep up the awesome work!!!!!
the elephants took me out🤣🤣
I thought the bethel issues were on them practising Christian witchcraft.
Witchcraft is witchcraft....
Why do I only get your old videos 😢?
I can vouch that mt Shasta is the most new age magic place I have ever been. Glad I have discernment and repentance now.
True…Sedona is bad too
As a born again and Spirit filled believer as a Pentecostal and have been involved in the Charismatic movement, the Charismatic movement, I believe, has lost it's way in their understanding of the gifts of the Spirit.
Modern Charismatics are out of control. It's as if we have lost all fear of the Lord; we have forgotten that some day we will all stand before the Lord and give an account for what we have done in HIS name.
As a former witch I can say just knowing the bible and knowing what the bible is saying is your best bet. It is damaging to know the particulars, God has healed me from my knowledge for a lot of it but I still have scars, thank goodness because I can look back and know I’m walking in the truth. These people think they can affect reality and it’s their right to do so. They will not admit their garbage if you don’t call them on it. Also the different names for things realms and spirit guides and stuff like that, all the same thing. Good luck on your ministry!
This is meant to run interference for Bethel.
Important to not be ignorant of the devices of the enemy. As the Lord leads
You're right on calling them out. You must have an understanding of it to be most effective, and you are in a perfect position to do so, especially if the person is claiming Christ.
I have worked for chiropractors and been treated by them, they have overlap with physios in regards to high velocity joint manipulation.
What about Christian Kabalah? You guys should do something specific on Kabalah.
There is no such thing. Christianity looks at God as Trinity, Kabbalah as the Sephirots.
@@EvangelhoImigrante I agree with you but many people don't understand the Kabalah and tend to mix it with Christianity, which is why it deserves special mention. I have been doing searches online on how Christians should view kabalah and there are very few resources. Many believers feel comfortable dipping into Judaism for buttressing their own faith and it's a problem.
@@republiccooper I believe it is because, somehow, they still seek approval from others, or because they want to keep at least a little bit of the framework.
@@EvangelhoImigrante Yes, approval from Judaism, God's "chosen" people. Many evangelical believers worship Jews and Israel.
@@republiccooper Its very interesting to listen to the arguments on the podcasts, specially when there are many aspects of the charismatic culture that resembles witchcraft a lot. Like "give God money and He will bless you." Also interesting is noticing how, if other religions nowadays attempted to sacrifice animals, it would seem like a very dark thing to do, but that's exactly what they believe God wanted in the Old Testament, before Jesus offered himself as the final sacrifice. For many centuries, killing animals and pouring their blood was the "right thing to do."
There's witches in every church on assignment in order to test it and possibly recruit.
Jonathan LaGuerre There is no such thing as witches. Innocent people in Salem were hung because of this nonsense. Pull your head out.
@@timward3142 depends your definition. I have no desire to argue. Witches and Warlocks can be anyone. Your police, your judge, your senator, etc.
@@timward3142 Weren't many African slaves considered witches and Warlocks? In reality it was their masters and the KKK who were.
@@timward3142 See Pat Holliday, an evangelist who had a deliverance ministry for decades. Let me know.
@@jonathanlaguerre3739 That´s exactly what they said in Salem. Then they went on to hang innocent people. A belief in religion, and in particular Christianity rots your brain.
Ya.. chiropractic or..Transferance of spirit's does happen. Same when you go to thrift stores,objects can be cursed.
Careful…not all chiropractors are into wrong beliefs or practices. My chiropractor is Christian, plays Christian music in his office, prays with people and is on fire for God. I can testify that he does not “transfer spirits” to anyone.
It is so important to define our terms. We Christians talk fuzzy sometimes.
So if learned about witchcraft coming in chiurches would people stay around grave soaking, angel cards, or seeking supernatural like stuff falling in services and even heard said that Jesus was not deity on Earth. What does the Bible say to do?
It says to not engage in these things. We have several episodes on this. Here is a playlist you may be interested in watching: ua-cam.com/play/PLMsjeViSScFHWqa0UrrNVapjKfyM5OhEu.html
Pronounced tarot not terret.
I’m a chiropractor, and I’m sick of the sloppy language around this topic. I’m a doctor, I went to school for 8 years, have National board testing and a state license. This guy knows nothing on that subject and it’s the third time. There is a ton, a literal ton of evidence behind what we do. I think it’s rich that the guy from BETHEL is calling it false. Please stop having this joker on.
What about Easter, Christmas, Halloween and Valentine’s Day…
Can ppl use the "dangerous Psalms to hurt other ppl physically???.
I know someone who did it and the person died like the next day. I was shocked.
What sharing does Christ have with Belial !??!
Could you list the books Elijah mentioned?
I think one was The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus
by Gary Habermas and Michael R. Licona
Right now I think the first comment on the video is a list of the books mentioned!
I’d like to share why I got into it unknowingly
My parents listened to a lot of music with black magic for example Stevie nicks and Santana = black magic woman and Rhiannon the white witch song.
I was primed from birth hearing all this music to unknowingly worship the earth.
No ONE EVER sat me down and said hey Karina I don’t want to freak you out but what you are doing is witchcraft let me show you in the Bible where it talks about this.
That makes me sad my family my friends let me wonder around aimlessly.
My mom knew I was searching for god but never once said that because she was taught to be more of a friend. I don’t blame her obviously she dealt with the same from her parents.
Im just sharing for the parents out there the friends out there don’t be scared to ruffle feathers rx new agers like me have a thirst for knowledge and will appreciate you sharing it with them
And let’s talk about hunting eggs on Easter
So, I was told Bethel searches paganism for gold nuggets and adopts it into Christianity.....is that not true
I am trained in Theologie and medicine! Many things in our modern Medicine are based on a naturalistic worldview and this leads to unbelieve! When we pray for sick people often we have first to believe nd the spirits of unbelieve rooted in this naturalistic worldview.
I can‘t pray against cancer first I have to renounce medical prognosis that hinders faith
Mirror bible...passion bible...it's all so bad!
Hey dude...Satan can answer that request also
Revelation 14:12
King James Version
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The caduceus is clearly a magic symbol, but Christians don't have anything against people going to the doctor. A Christmas tree is pagan tree worship. Easter is literally named after Ashtera. I realize now, you can't separate the bible from magic. And Jesus Himself said we would do greater works than He did. Magic is The Power given to us by God.
In sakes I'm hearing a lot about the law of attraction...the energies...and tesla...need help learning about this...
That’s all New Age
All of that is new age and needs to be avoided. Stay in the Word, and all of this becomes more and more clear. Jesus said the wicked seek for a sign. Just remember that. Al these people chasing “experiences” are seeking for a sign and are being deceived for the most part. Holy Spirit is HOLY; He is not to be used for entertainment.
The eternity will not be kind to those who chose to kill their soul by not believing once reborn eternally saved
“The eternity”?
It is in you as a person that the nature of God is revealed, for a scriptural episode is not a record of an historical event, but a parabolic revelation of truth. To see Jesus or David as an historical character is to see truth tempered to the weakness of your soul. You must see what the characters represent, rather than the characters themselves. This is true for every story in scripture, for every episode will unfold within you.
The title of the 54th Psalm is translated as “David is hiding with us” in the King James Version, and “David is in hiding among us” in the Revised Standard Version; but the title should read: “David is in hiding within us,” for that is where he is, as well as every character in scripture. When I say, with Blake: “All that you behold, though it appears without it is within, in your Imagination of which this world of mortality is but a shadow,” I mean that literally, for the drama of life unfolds from within.
The characters Jesus, David, Abraham, and Moses are but personifications of eternal states, which you individually will encounter as you move towards the ultimate awakening of being God himself. In his poem, “Saul” Robert Browning tells the story recorded in the 16th chapter of the Book of First Samuel, of how David cured Saul of the evil spirits which the Lord had sent upon him.
No, he is incorrect, because, historically Christianity has a long history of Shamanism within it that you are either unaware of or are disregarding. Contacting angelic beings is also in the Bible. This guy has ZERO humility. He is not telling anyone to repent, everyone here has no clue what you are talking about and instead of bringing them into the light you are attacking them and sending them away.
Yeah, I know what you mean. He is saying repent but no one in this audience would ever have any clue about anything of the things he calls 'witchcraft'. He's not bashing 'witchcraft'. He's bashing the covered up truths of the original Christianity.
“The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. The knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” Proverbs 9:10
“Therefore Jesus was saying to the Jews who believed in Him, “If you abide in My word, you are truly My disciples. And then you will know the truth, and the truth will set free you.”
They answered unto Him, “We are Abraham’s seed, and to no one ever have we been under bondage. How do You say, ‘You will become free’?”
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you that everyone practicing the sin is a slave of the sin. Now the slave does not abide in the house to the age; the son abides to the age. So if the Son shall set you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8:31-36
How about our culture calling evil good and good evil in movies such as Harry Potter?
Can't wait for the podcast on integrating child sacrifice through worshipping Molloch into christianity ... that'll be a good one
I love how Christians actually think that no one opposes christians being witches. Like really ....
Interesting that you bring up the godhead of Jesus since Bethel teaches that Jesus gave up his godhead and was just a man while walking the earth.
And the guest warns of “we can’t be deceived,” which is something else Bill Johnson teaches.
I would be more concerned with what Bethel teaches than with someone who goes to a chiropractor to have their occipital adjusted so they don’t have migraines.
Does magic not science and technology I thought it was
Guys, how about having a Christian chiropractor on sometime to discuss the other side of this debate. Just because a part of the profession believes in “innate healing” doesn’t mean you throw out the whole profession. Many chiros know that God has designed our bodies to heal. Chiropractic care helps our bodies heal well because it keeps the spine aligned properly which keeps your nervous system working properly. I’d much rather trust a chiro than a “western medicine” doc who’s been indoctrinated that the body only heals by giving it pharmaceuticals. Had Covid/vaccines not taught us anything about the heresy -yes, heresy- of WESTERN medicine and it’s lies? Don’t lump chiropractic care in with yoga, reiki, etc. They are NOT the same.
I agree with you some have taken this teaching to far.
I agree with you some have taken this teaching to far.
I agree with you some have taken this teaching to far.
I agree with you some have taken this teaching to far.
I agree with you some have taken this teaching to far.
When I see George Washington materialize in my living room, I will believe in "witchcraft....."
Light and darkness cannot dwell in the day place. Anyone calling themselves a Christian Witch is deceived.
Bethel should ONLY allow this guy to speak publicly. The Bethel “Rediscover” vids make Bethel, Papa Bill and KVal look worse. I’m stunned their PR advisors aren’t quietly pulling those. This guest gives Bethel a good look, to the casual observer.
lots of misinformation here
No, no, no. Ugh, should we be asking God to see aliens? You know, only Christians should do this. NO. Don't even.
I thought the same. In one sense he says hey its okay. In the same breath he says its a bad practice bc an angel can masquerade as an angel of light. Um okay so we know that Angels that are no aligned with God can play pretend. Do you not think if you asked God to show you an angel that a fallen one could then pretend to be God answering your plan and then further use that experience to draw you in fact away from God?
Common sense!! Come on. People are notorious for using experience as the sole defining moment of having been heard by God and fail to then test that experience with scripture. This was not advice well given and could honestly be misunderstood and misapplied and then cause more harm than good. I think they attempted to then kind of corral that statement and make it better but man no no no...
I think what he means is explained- that if youre confused about something, like any supernatural experience that people are presenting. You ask God about it you dont try to do it yourself. Which makes sense. If you dont understand something you dont tap into some other power to try to understand. You ask God to reveal it to you. If youre a person confused on this alien stuff- instead of doing what these people are doing which is trying to summon them on their own- you instead should say to God "hey God if aliens are real I need some kind of answer or insight from you." If we are praying to the one true God of scripture, he can say "no" or he could say "yes" and reveal to you that these things are demonic. In our ignorance I think its ok to ask weird questions, as long as we inquire of the Lord. The word does say we have not because we ask not. We keep looking into things with our own human understanding without inquiring of the Lord. For people who aren't curious or dont care about weird things like aliens I think we have a pretty quick answer to these things like "no of course I'd never ask God about aliens" to people in different positions who arent quiet these yet and are battling ideas this may be a safer way. We all have areas that burden our hearts more than others....No matter if your prayer is stupid and unwise or not I would agree its far better to inquire of the one true God YHWH than any where else.
@@poik247 Actually when he was pressed on it, he didn't clarify he reiterated that he thought it was fine to ask God to show you an alien. There's a huge difference in asking about something because one is curious and asking to have an encounter with something. He is part of Bethel and a huge part of bethel is emphasized on the experience with angels to the point that they relegate it to a joke. They talk about their experiences with angels as if they just have the time to come down and have chats, and its no big deal etc.. That is not how scripture talks about angelic encounters. Now, to be fair, he did clarify that scripture is always God "sending an angel" to us and not us using our own efforts to do something, circumventing God in the process. In that aspect you are correct, but when Remnant pushed back on that and tried to steer away from the ask for angelic and/or alien 👽 encounters angle he specifically said no, I think its fine to ask God to see an alien etc.. THAT was my point in the dangerous ground. In scripture when God chose to reveal angels and such it was always a part of a mission. To deliver a message, to open the eyes of his servant.. It wasn't just to assuage curiosity.. Part of even asking that question would be born from a misunderstanding of scripture.
And, if someone does not understand how God operates from revealed scripture already, then it is likely that they will take any counterfeit encounter as a direct response from God to their prayer in their ignorance even if it isn't actually from God. And Satan will most definitely use that to his advantage.. Therin lies the danger.
I like weird stuff. I don't think there is anything wrong in asking God questions at all about the weird things. But the encounters/experiences can get a person on dangerous ground. We can't assume something even an answer to a prayer is automatically "from God".
We must test all things in light of scripture even what we think is a response from God to our prayers.
I personally believe that a lot of Alien encounters (which i don't necessarily discount as fiction) i think are likely fallen heavenly hosts taking on a form and messing with humans. There have been encounters in which people say the aliens were doing horrible things to them and they claimed the name of Jesus and it immediately stopped and they were returned. If that is actually what happened, I could see that as definitely being a fallen heavenly host. Thats not to say if God did create other life forms that they'd have to be evil. If they weren't I'd say God would still be their creator. So who's to say really on that. It certainly is a fascinating subject!
@@poik247 Great summary.
Mixing Christianity with witchcraft is like mixing nitro with glycerin!!!
“BANG!!!!” ..... .... ouch,... !!
Chiropractic care was not invented by a guy talking to a spirit. I think he missed the mark on that...
Read Numbers 16. Clearly shows how easy it is to become a cult. Over emphasizing on one truth and excluding others to hype up and motivate their own rebellious and couvitous desires. If you are involved in 'white magic' I suggest you concider what the Holyness of God looks like. Numbers 16 is a good place to start.
Christianity is a cult for the most part.....
About “breathing & stretching” and he’s ok with that (Christian Yoga)? No!!! They are doing Yoga & just calling it by another name.
Also, Bethel is known to use divination cards…..
It's been a while since this episode aired, so I'm not fully sure who said that. Please note that we do not agree with Christian yoga. We have a couple of episodes discussing that. Here's one you may find helpful: ua-cam.com/video/t4BxjoXvLhc/v-deo.htmlsi=aX-YSq9MARPu2Bcx
@@TheRemnantRadio. Thank you!
To be honest I think church’s like bethel opened this possibility for Christianity. When I first became a Christian learning the rules and ways I was shocked speechless when I saw the programs bethel offered. It pushes the envelope making it easier for others to push a bit farther. And now it’s here.
Agree this is the fight we are currently in.
Jesus is the word the word made flesh... I also love my witchcraft... Come to christ my brothers and sisters he loves you so much very much. Thanks....... Xmagi.....
You need to stop with that "ENCOURAGEMENT" !!!
Talk talk and talk but you actually do not saying anything. Give specificity.
I think Bethel is wonderful with healing but I don’t know much more about them and why they’re controversial.
That was a terrific short explanation of the truth of what we believe as Christian; as well as what is necessary for salvation in Jesus Christ!
I’m sorry to bring this out, but 17:28 and following is straight up Bethel teaching. Ironic.
He's addressing that culture head on. But he's taught there- they don't actually teach that misstatement. To say Bill or Kris' quote proves that would be missing their clearly antithetical beliefs of Jesus' sole supremacy over all of creation, our redemption, reconciliation, adoption, and maturing into the bride of Christ but never becoming God.
Watching this alone, blurted out "Oh..." when I saw that montage of faces in the opening, those are almost all red flag false leaders or flat out hate preachers. I'm out.
New summary for this video: “A Bethel pastor tells us that Christian witchcraft is bad while he himself is a witch” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Prove it
@@garyboulton7524 Do you even know what witchcraft is? Read a Bible and then ask yourself if you should be “grave soaking” like Bethel says? The answer is firmly no, that’s hellspawn behavior. There’s not a single pastor on their staff who isn’t a witch. So please prove me wrong, that’s much harder to do than proving this correct to a Christian who’s on a walk with GOD. No one can serve two masters, Bethel’s Jesus is not the true Jesus
Elijah teaches (or has taught) at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry. We got that, but where do YOU get off here saying he’s a pastor at Bethel or worse, a WITCH, for crying out loud?! Doesn’t matter if you’re a fan of Bethel or Remnant Radio discussing such preposterous notions such as “Christian witchcraft” or not! Respectfully, what’s the difference between making such baseless, disparaging comments, and gossip or slander? How are you doing truth any service? Just something to think about, ok?
@@davidrussell631 it’s actually a disservice for me not to speak out. If you know Jesus, truly know him, you will know that. These guys have zero connection to GOD, they are charlatans and yes, witches too. If you can’t see it, their demon has gotten into you through permission by not rejecting these false teachings. So my advice, is read a true Bible, any version except the Passion Translation or Mirror Bible or Joseph Smith version or New World Translation, etcetera. Stay away from cult Bibles that do not match the Greek and Hebrew texts. So then, with an ESV, KJV, NKJV, CSB, NASB, etcetera, then sit down and read it, really read it, absorb it. If you don’t see the problems with Bethel after that, then I really will pray that Christ will pull you out of this darkness. Bethel is not the straight and narrow path, they are using Jesus name to teach blasphemy, no better than the Catholic Church, just a different face. May GOD point you down the straight path and away from Bethel 🙏🏼
@@narrowistheway77 Should you be grave soaking? Absolutely not. Can you prove that they did that more than once? No you cannot. Do you have any reason to disregard their lead pastor Bill Johnson completely speaking against such actions? No you dont. Can someone be a Christian and do some wacky stuff because they are still learning and made some weird implications based on certain texts in the bible? Yes of course.
You have no ground to stand on. You make a claim against people and you will have to give an account for your words. I'm saying this for your sake, I do not know whether you are a new Christian but I love your zeal, but you need some wisdom and charity.
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These guys are so wishy-washy I have no expectation that they will actually defend the faith. Todd White 🙄
Bethel isn’t Christian. They preach a different Jesus. I’m out
I agree, no need to pander to them.