Everything Wrong With Star Trek (2009) In 5 Minutes Or Less
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2013
- To boldly go where many of you have been asking us to go... J.J. Abrahms' Star Trek. Does it have sins? Of course! Did we do a Bonus Round of lens flare? No we did not, because that would be too obvious. And also it's already been done. If you really want to see that much lens flare, go check out this guy's video: • Every Lens Flare In St...
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No movie is without sin. Which movie's sins should we recount next? Merch: teespring.com/stores/cinemasi... - Фільми й анімація
You skipped the biggest sin: the bad guys traveled back in time, but instead of using that to save their planet, they start taking revenge for something that hasn't even happened yet.
Hey..yeah. You're right! Wtf indeed
Colossal
@Dark Sith Lord They take revenge because in their twisted mind they believe Spocks/The Federation is the reason of the destruction. It's not supposed to make 100% sense; it's his grief mixed with hatred for the Federation. The end.
Time travel to the past isn't possible. He would have travelled to a different timeline where he may or may not even exist, where Romulus might be a completely different place than the one he left. He might have been able to find place in this timeline, but everything he knew, everything he loved was certainly lost.
Also, he didn't necessarily wait 25 years for Spock. Time is relative. He could have orbited around a supermassive blackhole. The time slippage in relativity would allow a couple of Earth decades would pass while only a few hours would pass for the Romulan ship.
They still qualify as a sins, because they weren't addressed in the movie, but, I see why they didn't. This type of nuance is more suited for the TV show than an Action Sci-Fi Space Western. :-D
Dude watches his family and planet die, and is given the COLOSSAL chance to literally go back and fix it all. Instead, just waits around in space to get revenge on the guy who tried to SAVE THEM, just didn't do it in time. How about, instead of getting revenge for a screw-up, work with the guy to get it right this time because they have a second chance! TELL VULCAN TO SEND SPOCK EARLIER!!! Sometimes, I don't know how I love this movie...
Funny thing about #19 : in an interview with Chris Pine, he said he chose to eat an apple there because he thought there was nothing more douchey or annoying than having to watch someone messily going at an apple. Effective!
It's also a small piece of Star Trek trivia! In Wrath of Khan, Kirk explains how he beat the Kobayashi Maru simulation, and during the explanation he's--guess what--eating an apple! It's a callback to the prime Star Trek timeline and movies!
Screw off this is a great take on star trek. Maybe 30% of all episodes have time travel and this just opens with a alternate timeline. Then the musical score! Damn it's so good
@@MrJoshcc600 I think you meant to not reply to this comment.
nonono, its that you don't fuck with someone eating an apple? Why? Because they're busy. Busy eating an apple instead of caring about whatever you have to say to them.
“Scene does not contain a hot green lapdance”
If you watch the commentary, you'll find out that J.J. Abrams, the director, literally _did_ have Kirk eat an apple so he would look like more of an asshole.
It's because in wrath of Khan he is eating an apple when he talks about beating the kobeyashi maru
+The Amazing G Arrogance. 'nuff said
Actually Brad Pitt does randomly eat food in movies, he has a weird fetish about eating on camera. ;)
DoctorWhoFanBadWolf omg lol
Apparently in avengers, RDJ snuck food on set, so that's why he was eating sometimes
How about the sin where Earth apparently never has ANY defenses?
It's the home of the United Federation of Planets and any ship can go there and drill a giant hole in the San Fransisco bay?
well they had 7 star ships if you remember , and they all got destroyed
now the only one remaining that is close enough for responce in time is kirk's ship
CantYouWin
No ground weapons? How about orbiting turrets and automatic defense systems?
Eman C.
this is back in the time when kirk and co were young so their weaponry and tactics weren't as advanced.
Eman C. Wasn't the point of capturing Pike to get at the codes for Earth's defence system?
Doesn't really explain why didn't have some kind of manual override they could of started once the drill turned on.
Or, you know just turn on once the really weird looking ship appeared and failed to identify itself.
Doesn't really make sense to have a code that turns everything off permanently, but I guess they did kind of acknowledge it?
Nick D'Orazio their weaponry and tactics weren't as advanced so they can't build one turret on the ground but hundreds of starships capable of faster than light travel? that makes no sense.
how about the fact that kirk hero or not didn't even graduate the academy and yet is allowed to skip about 15-20 years worth of hard work to make captain of a ship, but not just any ship he gets the flag ship right of the bat.
THANK YOU.....
It's things like this that make it unsurprising how Star Trek fanfiction gave the origin of Mary Sue.
While I agree at the ludicrous nature of the Cadet to Captain promotion track, Prime Jim Kirk was 32 when he was made Captain of the Enterprise and that was his second command, meaning by that time he'd only been an officer for 10 years. So we're looking at perhaps 4 years in the academy and 8-10 years in the field max.
All the gigantic undocumented field promotions of six levels of rank in these nuTrek movies is ridiculous. I'm glad they cut that crap out in the third done.
This is the most bothersome part of the Star Trek reboot. Congratulations on graduating college, we've put you all in charge of a starship. Kirk violating the Prime Directive in the second movie should have been a foregone conclusion, not that the Prime Directive really matters for squat in the Star Trek universe.
Nero spends 25 years in this new timeline, never once bothers to think "Oh, hey, maybe I should warn Romulus that it's gonna have a Super Nova problem." Or "Hey, I wonder if the Romulan star empire could make use of some of the goodies on this 300 year advanced ship.
There was a deleted scene that gave a B.S. explanation for that. Nero appeared in Klingon space and was captured immediately. He was tortured in a klingon prison for 25 years. So he's a little unhinged now.
they deleted a scene from the first movie indicating that one of the crew was Scottie's nephew. If it's deleted, it's out of canon.
Still, it would have raised more problems: okay, klingons captured him but didn't peek at his 200+ year advanced tech? How did he get away? Why is he in his original ship and not some garbage scow? etc...
Tedward LeCouteur The deleted scene with Scottys nephew was in Wrath of Khan. I have the extended DVD with the scene put back in.
Really? Awesome. When it first came out on vhs, I thought I was going crazy. Apparently only some releases of the movie had that scene.
Yeah the DVD I have is the 'Directors Edition'. There's a few extended and deleted scenes put back in for example there's an extended scene on Deep Space Regula one when the scientists are planning to hide genesis on the planet. All good stuff.
I love the movie but I thought they would do a bonus round for lens flares... would've been hilarious tbh
+1 for each lens flare
It would be a lot. And hilarious.
They did that in Honest Trailers, If they would do this here aswel that would be a mayor rip off
whats the remake of the oringal series
I know it's been 2 years since this comment, but I suggest watching ScreenJunkies' Star Trek Honest Trailer, which was uploaded the same day as this one.
Whats wrong with lens flares
Actually the "permission to come aboard" reference is in line with current naval customs. Spock wasn't "officially" on board until then, and would not be logged in as part of the crew until permission was granted.
It is kind of a funny phrase, though. What if Kirk says no? Does Spock just stand there like a cat at a glass door looking sadly onto the bridge for the entire journey?
So to the Navy, "aboard" and "on board" mean different things? 🤔
"Eject the core."
THE core. Singular. Yet what appear to be a dozen warp cores fly out of the ship.
And then, in Into Darkness, the ship has one core that looks utterly different.
+Atrus Official I presume that would just be the entire warp core split into sections during ejection. The Into Darkness bit is totally valid, though.
Raptorx911 Much as it may be split, it seems somewhat illogical, dumping it slowly in multiple pieces than just dumping the entire core, like they do in previous versions of Trek.
Atrus Official
Sure, since in other Trek movies it was done all at once. I can think of engineering reasons why it would have to split up to easily eject, if space was an issue. However, I'm sure in THIS case it was only done for 'cool factor', which is a red-flag.
Raptorx911 Abrams didn't even like Trek, the entirely of the new movies is for the 'cool factor.' Although, that being said, Abrams ain't in on Beyond, so it may be a little better.
AND THEY'RE KILLING OFF THE JJPRISE.
Atrus Official
We'll see how it goes. I won't get my hopes up, I'll save that for the upcoming TV show.
"Movie thinks racial diversity is possible in Iowa." I'm dying! 😂😂
He's not wrong. LOL
Star trek has a lot of unrealistic things in it. But the most unrealistic thing, even more than starship technology, is racial diversity in Iowa
fr there were like 4 black children and 2 hispanic children in my entire school district when i was still in school 😂
The bigger cities in Iowa, including Iowa City, which is 10 miles from Riverside, have decent diversity since people from huge cities wanna live somewhere less expensive.
@@joebuck4957 There goes the neighborhood. 😁😁😁.
"Did the pointy ears take the place of pointy hats"? PRICELESS
The gigantic plot holes contained in the movie lead me to believe the script was penned with red matter.
Best points "If everyone knows the test can't be beaten, then how can anyone experience fear when taking it?" and "Yeah let's reward him for breaking all the rules but managing to save us; that's a great example to set!"
The problem is not so much that the test can't be beaten, but that there are no consequences for failing at it. If the test required you to go through simulated agony and death, with no possibility of escape, that would be pretty damn scary.
Should have been a bonus round for all of the over used lens flares! Those stupid things where hurting my eyes!
Hahaha for that watch the Honest Trailer
+Coolmonster2022 Pretty sure "where" isn't the correct word to be using.
+Tholaran97 Monsters spell shit however they want...apparently.
Read the description. I quote, "Did we do a bonus round of lense flares? Of course not, that would be too obvious."
This needs to be re-sinned. Faaaarrrrr too kind!
No, it doesn't. I fucking love this movie.
This movie IS good. But only if you take words 'Star' and 'Trek' out of its title. THAT is not Star Trek.
+Marija Z. just notice its slogan;-)
Nero's ship wasn't a warship it was a mining ship.You also didn't call Nero's damaged ear changing sides a sin.
It had been refitted and repurposed into a more warlike vessel during the wait for Spock.
@@Blendercage before going in tge supernova: it was refitted in the romulan Vault with borg tech
How can a mining ship with miners have the fire power to take our Battle ships? I know the mining ship is a century into the future, but a mining ship today cannot outrun a World War I elite was ship.
Another sin is the fact vulcans wouldn't know at this point that they and romulans share a common ancestry. It was a complete surprise to spock in the original series and actually had some of the crew not trusting spock. I guess he figured it out when Nero revealed himself and he looks kind of like a vulcan, but no one has seen romulans according to TOS at this point
I have a possible answer for this. The Romulans were somewhat known to the federation due to their war a few decades earlier. Since Nero's ship showed signs of Romulan design, the federation may have reached out to them fit an explanation as to why one of their ships attacked the Kelvin within federation space. This might have prompted the Empire to open up talks in order to prevent another conflict. It would also explain how Uhura knew how to speak Romulan.
Joseph Smith Romulans were known to the Federation, but their physical appearance - along with their kinship to Vulcans - wasn't. In the episode "Balance of Terror", Spock says "Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication. Therefore, no human, Romulan, or ally has ever seen the other." There's considerable surprise on the Enterprise bridge when they get their first look inside the Romulan ship and discover that the occupants look so similar to Vulcans.
Grant Hicks that episode also take place in the original timeline, a couple decades after Nero destroyed the Kelvin. It's pretty safe to assume that the Romulans would open a dialog with the federation in order to prevent unnecessary conflict, thereby opening diplomatic relations between the two. That would explain how young Spock knew about their common ancestry.
At the time the Enterprise did not who was attacking them, Spock knew Vulcans and Romulans were the same.
I'm surprised he didn't mention the stupid plot. A sun going nova? First of all the Romulans would have known the sun was going nova before they even had space flight. For fucks sake, it would have been a red giant. Even if it exploded it would have taken at least a few thousand years, assuming this was a very very close star, to reach their star system. Even then the solar matter would be so dispersed as to be practically harmless. I don't recall, but if it was their home system's star there would have been no Romulans in the first place as the red giant would have engulfed their planet millions of years earlier.
***** Some aesthetic changes I understand. It's reimagined and that's OK with me. That's all just imagery, although I may disagree with some of it (Didn't really like the new Klingons). But I agree Spock was WAY to human. The Romulans were WAY too stupid evil. They could have been cryoed Kahn's guys, warned the future Romulans and the whole Romulan crew could have came out of cryo to hug their loved ones and be heroes. All while preserving the timeline. Or they could have flown to Romulus, also warned everyone, and gave the Romulans the means to conquer the quadrant with future tech. Nah, fuck that. I'm gonna go on a genocidal kill spree and every last member of my crew are just as bat shit crazy stupid as I am. Not to mention Star Trek has those temporal police. If it was that easy to fuck up the timeline Earth would have been destroyed by the Xindi or the Nazis would have won WW2.
Well, this star didnt go Nova in the original way. The romulans were experimenting with acient Iconian technology. However, they couldnt handle the extremely advanced technology of the Iconians. Due to a error, the facility did something to make the star explode, in such a way that the Nova was propelled wothin subspace, like a warpdrive. This is all explained in Star Trek Online, but that is not really canon. It is more like semi-canon
Jeroen Teeuw So basically the people behind the video game think the movie's plot is stupid too and made up their explanation because they didn't want that level of stupid in their online universe?
I think you could say that. The developers of Star Trek Online said that they would present their view of the 25th century, and that they would not follow any changes made by the new movies.
And why does Nero use some kinda cannons and not FUCKING DISTRUPTOR BEAMS
These are the only sins that you could find for this movie?
Spock who follows logic ejecting a guy on to an Ice planet instead of sending him to a brig? Or Sending him to the Research station?
They had to have been able to detect the giant life forms near where they were sending him right? Doesn't that make spock a murderer?
How does Spock know so much about the Romulans right off.. he had to guess in Balance of Terror.
If the Planet/moon Spock is on is so close to Vulcan that it can literally see the planet that large in the sky how is that the massive gravitational forces that are affecting Vulcan having no effect on the one Spock is on?
If Nero's Ship took that long to destroy the Kelvin and people were able to get away, and it couldn't easily destroy the enterprise.. how did it destroy all of the federation ships so easily with apparently no survivors?
How the hell is Chekhov there. Did Kirk being born in space instead of Iowa some how to cause Chekhov's parents to bone several years earlier?
How is a civilian mining ship from the ultra paranoid police state empire this heavily armed? It is explained in a comic book? Wait there is homework to make this movie make sense? BS
not enough sins for Tyler Perry
Why does nothing about the scale of anything in this make sense.
Why does the advance Vulcan race have no had gliders, small ships or anything that could maybe knock the ridiculously long tube drilling a hole in their planet out of it's spot. No portable shields... nothing.. it is a mining drill They don't even seem to make an attempt.
Wait Scotty can beam Kirk onto a ship travelling faster than the speed of light that is in a bubble of space time, several light years away? WTF do they need space ships? And Why is he on a research station.. if you can do that you can be into three boobed cheerleaders and star fleet would have you coaching a team of volunteer three boobed cheerleaders with a thing for odd English nerds pretending to be Scottish. Just so he'd head up a research team to get that thing perfected. which it seems to already be.
There is so much Ex Machina in this and all Abrams writing... and people going stupid.. so stupid.. when the script requires it no matter how little sense it makes.. that it is nearly unwatchable. Compared to the second one which it took three days for me to get 40 minutes into couldn't do it any more.
> If the Planet/moon Spoke is on is so close to Vulcan that it can literally see the planet that large in the sky how is that the massive gravitational forces that are affecting Vulcan having no effect on the one Spoke is on?
I bet if you did the math on this one, taking into account the minimum mass / size of a black hole to do what was done to Vulcan and then evaporate, it would look like that. It has an effect, but in space, it's very hard to judge distances and speeds with the naked eye.
> How is a civilian mining ship from the ultra paranoid police state empire this heavily armed?
Remember that it's from hundreds of years in the future. A civilian now can buy weapons that are better than the most advanced military stuff of only a hundred years ago. Imagine what civilians will have access to 400 years from now.
And the Scotty thing, remember that's something he solves WAY in the future, and old Spock gave it to him.
***** the moon is affected by Earth gravity which would be significantly less than that of a black hole that could implode a planet. The sun is massive and it has enough gravity to hold the planets in orbit. If the sun had the gravitational force of a black hole it would effect earth. If Spock (young) new there was a federation station (and how would he not) he would have not only left Kirk to die, but Scotty too.
The issue of course is that Abrams didn't do any thinking about the science, which is part of science fiction.
The ship is from a time period that we know very well, from a race we know very well. If a modern fishing troller came across a 15th century Naval ship of the line it is still a fishing troller and isn't armed. Romulan's are not a race that would allow armaments on a mining ship. There was a comic book that states they upgrade the ship with Borg tech or something, but that isn't mentioned on screen in any reasonable way. They were also disabled by the kelvin in the script (and filmed but cut from the film) and captured by Klingons.
Nothing about the film makes sense. Literally nothing. How Kirk enter star fleet, the enterprise being built on the planet instead of space, the whole fleet being destroyed, Kirk becoming a Captain they way he does even though there would have to be dozens of not hundreds of more qualified and trained people.
The whole movie is a pile of classic Abrams crap plot holes bad writing and characters that go totally dumb when ever the script requires it. He is so bad a story teller when he made Star Wars he had no ideas the studio liked beyond... Let's just remake Star Wars with a female Mary Jane lead
Into Darkness helps prove that point, the casting, writing, art direction, plot, character motivations. Everything about that film is bad, it is the worse Star Trek movie ever made, by virtue of being the only Star Trek movie I have never been able to make it all the way through.
12. Into Darkness
11/10 V/TMP
9 Star Trek
8 Nemesis
7 Insurrection
6 Generations
5 III (Search for Spock)
4 VI (undiscovered country)
3/2/1 II/IV/First Contact
Rob Elliott My only argument on the gravity thing was that with the distance and time frame you wouldn't visually notice it, yes it would have fucked up everything immediately, but you wouldn't notice the effects immediately.
As for the other stuff, you have very good points, thank you!
If a Black hole about 30-40km wide was 2 AU from a planet it would cease to exist. (which is a reasonable sized black hole to be created during a supernova ie the one that destroyed Romulus that the Red Matter was supposed to counter act)
Any Black hole large enough to destroy Vulcan in the time frame it did would easily significantly affect a planet large close enough to view Vulcan as it did.
The Sun is 1 AU away from Earth it is smaller in the sky than Vulcan was. In fact Vulcan was a little bigger than Earth is viewer from the Moon. Allowing for some cinematic leeway we can use Earth size from the moon as a Comparison.
If Vulcan was as close to the plant that Spock was on Vulcan would have to be larger than the Sun in order to be visible at that size at just 1 AU.
For Vulcan to be visible and not cause the planet and everyone one on it to be destroyed Vulcan would have to be no less than the size of the solar system.. maybe several magnitudes larger. Which would give it a gravity that would be extreme and not habitable. it would also take months if not years to drill to the centre.
As such there is no way for that scene to work. It is totally impossible based on the science I can find.
Rob Elliott I'm not arguing that it wouldn't affect it, I'm saying it wouldn't be noticeable in that time frame. The only way it would be noticeable in that time frame is if the planet was past the Roche limit or so close that the gravitational force of the black hole was at the surface greater than the planet's. Unfortunately I don't know enough specifics of how to make those calculations to answer it one way or the other.
How about the sin when Spock places Kirk in an escape pod and sends him to that Vulcan frozen moon instead of throwing him in the brig for mutiny?
2:59 "What is it that stops the black hole and dissolves it after it's done eating Vulcan?"
From the distance we (the viewers) were seeing this black hole we wouldn't be able to see the event horizon due to the black hole's really tiny size. If a black hole isn't feeding, the only way you could visually detect it is by how it warps light around it, but that is only practical for black holes resulting from collapsed stars, which are vastly larger. In the movie we're talking about a black hole whose event horizon MIGHT be a centimeter in diameter, so there would be no feasible way to detect it. Plus, a black hole that tiny would actually evaporate very quickly even at the rate which Hawking radiation emits. It probably didn't evaporate in seconds, but it was still on a very human time scale.
***** Was that a sentence?
***** You just wasted 5 precious minutes of money makin' time watching it!
MelkorHimself Black Holes are just cores of compressed matter, so they have a gravity field around them which attracts nearby objects. A star collapses because it consumes its fuel (hydrogen or whatever else); after this it can either turn into a black hole, due to the high gravity force of its many atoms, or trigger a new nuclear fusion (due to the heat derived from the proximity of the atoms); during the "life" of a star nuclear fusion and gravity force are balanced. Black Holes are probably gonna trigger even a greater nuclear fusion, one that produces elements heavier than iron as it happens with particularly violent supernovae explosions, once reached the right amount of matter. Black Holes aren't some sort of gods, and bullshit about them eating the universe because they're unstoppable is quite worrying, considering how many people believe that. The Universe in which we live is stable, already existing laws of physics suggest that, like for example the energy and matter conservation theory based on observed phaenomena, really no need to think black holes transcend everything, I mean, we'd already be pretty much fucked if black holes did what some people say about 'em.
There are even theories about one of them being an essential counterpart to our galaxy's expansion ( basically being the centre of gravity of the galaxy).
MrTheDralem
We don't know for sure what's at the centre of the milky way. I guess the idea that an unknown object with such a vast gravitational influence is probably a supermassive black hole isn't so far-fetched.
It certainly doesn't have a magical "eat the galaxy" increase in the gravitational force its mass produces, but that alone doesn't invalidate the conjecture.
we don't know for sure in fact I said it's a theory
This movie had way more sins than this.
Agreed
Everything Wrong With Star Trek in 5 seconds or less:
JJ Abrams
Exactly my thoughts! :)
You missed the one about the Enterprise being incapable of warping away from the black hole even though it was clearly outside the event horizon (the point at which moving at the speed of light, wouldn't help you) and the fact that warp 1, which the ship is obviously capable of, is rated at roughly 28 times the speed of light; according to Gene Roddenberry's star trek wiki. They would have had no issues escaping.
Science fiction black holes are gigantic vacuums. A small black hole forming in the core of Vulcan should not have been able to collapse the entire planet so quickly, since black holes can only absorb mass in proportion to the surface area of their event horizons. *No* black hole should have pulled back the blast wave from a supernova. In real life, every supernova actually produces a black hole during the explosion as the inward pressure (equal and opposite reactions, remember) combined with gravity and the loss of radiation pressure causes the core of the star to compress.
I guess the magical "red matter" generates vast amounts of gravity, although that raises the question of why there is a huge glob of it on Spock's little ship.
The analogy of Vulcans/Romulans to Humans/Monkeys was a bit unfair. According to Memory Alpha, it seems like the two races had been separated for 2000 years. Further on is my own thoughts.
Vulcans seem to live about 200 years, so if we assume that on average they had kids at 100, that's only about 20 generations back. It's not that far back if you think about it. Still think it would give Spock an edge in figuring out what's going on with the ship compared to Kirk.
+Catie F More than 'unfair', openly racist. Also, there have been many stages in our evolution, but we haven't been 'monkeys' for 25 million years. So the analogy is not even close.
+Catie F I thought they were separate for a few tens of thousands of years, given their minor morphological differences.
TheReaverOfDarkness I could be wrong. I had looked at Memory Alpha and it said the two split around 4th Century (Earth time). Kirk's mostly from the 23rd Century.
It's also possible that the two populations had been separated politically (like two nations) before they split off to completely different planets. The could lead to some minor morphological differences between the two populations.
Catie F
I really have no idea, I was only speculating.
+Catie F Well Romulans and Vulcan's were the same people but when Surok the father of logic started talking about how they needed to control there emotions some of the people didn't want to so they left and became the Romulans. In the movies and TV shows they talk about how genetically similar they are ex Vulcans are slightly warmer than Romulans and the Romulans lost there touch telepathy. So there Langue could be similar, which is what Spock is looking for on the computers.
Rip Leonard nimoy :- (
I freaking love Star Trek
Abree Lord STAR WARS FTW
***** ...killed Star Trek (together with Voyager, I know)
Max Mustermann Voyager was amazing. The best of the series.
+01101101 01110111 I hope he means The original series!
It keep it simple for kids
LOL 57 sins? You really weren't trying very hard. This should be one of the more sinned movies on here.
This was before the videos started getting longer and he got a bit more exact with the sins. There would be a good amount more if this was released today.
A lot more; like unnecessary-sin-tallies-due-to-ad-revenue more.
If he truly counted _all_ the sins, he'd still be recording it.
Nah this is a great movie
+1 more sin
Where was old Spock watching Vulcan get destroyed from? Vulcan has no moon and anything THAT close to the planet would be dangerous to Vulcan because of gravitational pulls.
They also forget the one where Kirk shoots a Vulcan in his chest, then walks up from behind him.
And plus, even if the Black Hole closed directly after Vulcan was swallowed, wouldn't the icy planet sill get pulled a bit in that direction? I mean, Black Holes are the msot powerful ting in the universe. You'd think if a planet was that close it would get pulled a bit. This would also make it a pain in the ass for Spock Prime to beam Scotty and Kirk onto the Enterprise, because then both their planet and the Enterprise would be moving. Also, clearly Scotty's little alien friend wasn't beamed onto the Enterprise with Kirk and Scotty, so how does he show up in later Enterprise scenes? Did Spock Prime think, "Oh sh*t I forgot to beam him on there too" and then beam him on when no one was looking?
gamedemon24 Black holes have the same gravitational pull as all the matter it has consumed. If our sun spontaneously became a black hole, we would continue orbiting it, because the same amount of matter is there to pull on us.
In the old days, Science fictions TRIED not to insult the intelligence of its viewer.. NOW..? They don't even care..
But maybe that's because the movie producers have no respect for the movie goers intelligence..?
Watch the expanse!
Wait! At 4:16 it changes to a picture of Vader from Star Wars. CinemaSins predicted that J. J. Abrams would direct a Star Wars movie 2 year before it happened!
A sin missed in both videos on JJ Trek films is the speed in which the Enterprise travels. In the original Star Trek film, it takes several days to travel to Vulcan from Earth. In JJ Trek, it takes a matter of minutes to travel there, or from Klingon Space to Earth.
Ironically, JJ Wars suffers the same problem.
Also, let's not forget that given the size of Vulcan in the sky of that ice planet, the planet would have to be orbiting Vulcan.
And more closely than Earth's moon to Earth. It doesn't make sense that two planets with similar gravity (Vulcan is established to have slightly heavier gravity than Earth, the snow planet/moon seems to have earth-like gravity) and similar atmospheric compositions and densities (Humans can breathe both) to have such radically different climates; Vulcan a harsh desert, and the ice world is an ice world.
rlrsk8r1 Oh shit, it gets even worse! FUCKIN JJ ABRAMS!!
rlrsk8r1 Breathing depends on atmospheric composition and pressure (which is a functin of planetary size and composition). However, the temperature of a planet is affected by a lot things (geothermal activity, tidal friction, and most obviously distance from a star). Not to mention earth's ice age differed in average temperature only by a few degrees celsius.
The ice planet was the same one used in the Star Trek pilot, it's several hundred lightyears from Vulcan.
Which would mean that putting old!Spock there to watch Vulcan be destroyed then and there is utterly stupid, since A: you wouldn't have that good a view of Vulcan from several hundred light years away, and B: it would take several hundred years for the light to arrive.
WHY WAS THERE NOT A LENS FLARE BONUS ROUND???
I believe Screen Junkies already did it.
Hate to say it, but remove one sin for the Vulcan black hole. The mass of the planet would not have changed when it became a black hole, only its density. The gravity of the new black hole didn't "suck" (the movie took plenty care of that) any more than the planet did as it had the same gravitational effect on time-space as the planet. It just got a lot smaller.But you can add +10 sins, because you can bet JJ didn't know that, either.
That's not how black holes work. A black hole with the mass of a planet would have the same gravity as the planet, all that changes is the density. Pretty sure it was VSauce did a video on this, on what would happen to earth if our sun turned into a black hole. Good vid.
He should also remove a sin for the "Oral sensitivity" it wasn't Oral, it was Aural: relating to the ear or sense of hearing.
Love to say the sin is correct. The red matter created a black hole strong enough to suck in the planet. Not the mass of the planet is an issue, but whatever mass the red matter somehow created to suck in the planet in the first place.
It must have been strong to suck in a planet withint seconds.
no thats how they work
Robert gets a sin for arguing with himself
after loving the original star trek for over 30 years , i find these new remakes completely forgettable . And i can remember every episode of every series , season and film by heart , backwards and forwards !!! JJ should be set adrift off this continent ;- 0
asgoodasitgets97 your kidding right? I don't see how people can't appreciate the time travel conundrum of this like the terminator movies. I see tons of nostalgia but at the same time new twists. I've also seen every single star trek episode of every series 2x now (just finished ds9 again) and this one I did like a lot. (Into darkness is crap crap but this I loved)
Having a new timeline, and not fixing it like they always have before, is fine. That is very good science fiction, but there are just too many discontinuities with TOS that cannot be explained by the new timeline, and too many things about the story line that just make no sense. I don't care how heroically and brilliantly he performed, no one is going to turn a billion credit starship over to a third year cadet, it's absurd. How is Uhura older than Kirk? Is marooning really standard Starfleet procedure when dealing with insubordinate cadets? When physicians want to join a military service, they don't have to go through college all over again. Absolutely *nothing* in Wrath of Khan even hinted that Spock developed the Kobiyashi Maru test. Kirk's reprogramming the computer so that the Klingon ships exploded if you looked at them funny was utterly bogus. I think he would have done it so the scenario was much more dramatic and it at least looked as though he had pulled a rabbit out of his hat that the software had not anticipated. And don't get me started on "red matter". Any high school student with an interest in science could have offered them more realistic sounding technobabble for creating their black holes.
even the not so good TOS episodes were far better that whatever this is
I'm surprised y'all didn't touch too much on the ridiculousness of the 'backstory' to this plot.
Sin 1 - "One hundred and twenty nine years from now a star will explode and threaten to destroy the galaxy." Supernovas are powerful but I'm pretty sure they can't destroy an entire galaxy.
Sin 2.1 - "Using red matter I would create a black hole, which would absorb the exploding star." This plan is illogical. First of all, it appears that Vulcans and Romulans knew about the threat of the supernova a long while before it happened. Why didn't Romulus just do a planet-wide evacuation like they (tried) to do for Vulcan? They would have more than "minutes" to do so.
Sin 2.2 - Also, even if this plan was successful, that still means that Romulus would be WITHOUT A STAR. They'd still have to leave anyways.
Sin 2.3 - And even if there is such a thing as a 'galaxy-destroying supernova', what made them think that a dollop of red matter - the same amount used to destroy Vulcan - would be enough to swallow the whole thing up? Especially if you just randomly chuck it in there?
Sin 3 - "I was en route when the unthinkable happened: the supernova destroyed Romulus." Unthinkable? You basically waited until the star exploded to actually get there. Man if this isn't the perfect example of why you shouldn't procrastinate, I don't know what is.
Sin 4.1 - How close is Delta Vega to Vulcan? I mean... after the mini black hole ate Vulcan did the Enterprise just... sit there until they decided to throw Kirk off the ship?
Sin 4.2 - And when did Future Spock even get here? I mean, it had to have been before Nero started drilling because transporter abilities are disrupted because of the energy it releases. Couldn't Spock have just run to that Starfleet Outpost that he knew about and warn someone before they started drilling?
*****
I would rather get multiple root canals with no anesthesia. Jar Jar trek is not STAR TREK, Jar Jar Trek is flashy 70's scifi with a Startrek shell.
***** Which is precisely why these are all legitimate sins. Doctor Who does this same shit all the time now. You watch an episode and end up with a dozen or so unanswered questions (or otherwise gaping holes in the narrative), and people always say, "watch the short little bla-bla-bla. It's the prequel to the episode/movie."
NO! Just include that fucking information in the damned FILM! Especially if it's that critical to understanding the damned story! Honestly, what the fuck is the point of releasing a "prequel" short film that touches on key plot elements for the actual movie?!
Sin 2.2a: A planet in the habitable zone of a star ready to super nova would be under the photosphere of the star, because a star needs to finish burning its hydrogen (which is currently fueling our star), all of its helium, and everything up to iron, which pushes its edge out to beyond where Mars is, before it finally cant burn anymore. Even if, somehow, Romulus (and lets not forget Remus too...) were able to survive by being far enough from the surface of the super giant to not get destroyed, it would still have been burned to a crisp by the massive amounts of radiation the super giant puts out. The only way Romulus would be able to exist orbiting a star that could go supernova is by being well outside of the habitable zone during the star's main phase, meaning that live somehow evolved on two planets in a few tens of millions of years that a star can sustain its super giant phase before collapsing, AND have an atmosphere thick enough so that the radiation from the super giant didnt kill every living thing on the planet. And while we're at it, Humans did visit Romulus several times, so yes, we know that Romulans and vulcans are not somehow super resistant to radiation.
Sin 2.2b: If, somehow, all these things magically happened (and was never mentioned in the 40 years of star trek lore conveniently) the Romulans would have seen the situation from literally dozens of light years away and never settled on Romulus when they left Vulcan.
Sin 5: From planet Old Spock is put on, Vulcan is clearly visible, which means that not only is the planet in the same star system, but in the same orbital trajectory, and literally kissing distance from the other planet. This planet would have to be orbiting with vulcan around a mutual la grange point in order for this to be visible, not light years away in order for it to be as visible as it was for Spock.
Sin 5.1: if the planet were REALLY light years away, Spock would not be able to see it for years and years, or decades, or centuries.
Sin 5.2: A black hole created on the very edge of a planets crust would have the same effect as drilling to the core of a planet and dropping it there. There is no need for such a massive undertaking.
Sin 5.2a: Black hole created would not even be able to exist. A black hole is an object so massive for its radius that the gravitational acceleration at a certain point away from its core is greater than the speed of light. In order for the Earth (and, presumably, Vulcan) to become a black hole, the planet would have to be crushed to the size of a marble.
Sin 5.2b: While we're thinking about drilling to the core of a planet, beyond the mantle, a planet is liquid. You try putting a drill in water, you dont get anywhere.
Sin God knows how many + 1: Scotty beams into the Enterprise and ends up in a water tank. Not even Star Wars had this bad of comedic relief.
Sin GKHM + 2: why the hell does a civilian mining ship have so many weapons on it? I mean granted the weapons would be more powerful, being 100+ years in the future, but for christ's sake, this thing is bigger and more heavily armed than the Scimitar in Star Trek X.
Sin GKHM + 3: Captain Nero's first word to the Enterprise when his ship is about ready to destroy it is "Hello!"
Sin I am not even bothering to count anymore: Who mans one of the biggest and most advanced ships in the fleet completely with cadets? You put the effin Cadets on the smaller ships and move the experienced people onto the big shiny ship.
Sin IANEBTCA + 1: What insane logic system does Spock use to conclude that a CADET, with no training in Starfleet, the operation of a starship, no command experience, no command training, and a proven propensity for dangerous, reckless, ill thought, and even physically impossible (see Kobyashi Maru scenario) behavior (not to mention illegal, willfully disobedient, combative behiavor), is more suitable to command of a starship with hundreds of people's lives resting in the captain's hands than he, the first officer of the ship with years (or actually, decades, if you ever watched any other Star Trek besides this movie) of experience? If Spock doesn't feel he's capable of commanding the ship, isnt there, I dont know, an entire chain of command of experienced officers who can fill in the role?
1.1a: Why the hell does ANY OF THE REST OF THE CREW ACCEPT THIS?!
Sin I dont even care anymore: This Star Trek movie/episode used time travel as a plot devise. This has been repeatedly proven to be the worst plot devise in Star Trek.
I could go on with dozens of others.
Countergod At least Star Trek TNG hired physicists so that the stories they told wouldn't require such massive suspensions of belief. The creators of Star Trek 2009 obviously didn't care about that whatsoever.
It wasn't even really a Star Trek movie; nor did it seem to be made for Star Trek fans. It was more your generic space action sci-fi with the name Star Trek slapped onto it. It was a movie designed for people who don't care (or have no clue) about science or logic in a ST movie. This must include most people considering its high ratings and great financial success.
It was also quite amusing how Spock and the Vulcans were portrayed as very emotional bigots in comparison to the actual Star Trek story. This was just about as absurd as all the other lapses in science and logic.
... For the record, even though a lot of the sins are justified and I could go for days making new ones, I still think this is a good, fun movie.
also, JJ Abrams knows jack about physics
+James Smart , he knows jack about writing, producing, and directing too.
+James Smart yep, should have gotten Nolan to direct this movie
Look, the entire Star Trek franchise has been living and breathing off of sketchy science for 50 year. You can start to complain now
or Iowa. riverside does not look like that and certainly wouldnt in 200ish years 😂
How about Chezkoff or whatever his name is, being needed to perform the calculation to lock on the beam for Kirk and Sulu when they are falling on planet Vulcan?
I mean we have computers now that can easily perform the necessary calculus to determine acceleration of free fall but, the computers on hyper advanced space ship can't?
randomly running into future Spock in a random cave on a random planet deserved atleast 1000 sins
Addition to sin 33: Giant alien monster kills, but tosses away alien monster 10 times larger than Kirk that would be a far better meal than him.
ALSO: all the spaceships were built in _orbit_ not on the ground... so any scene in that "spaceyard" with the unfinished vessel is total bull... just saying...
Utopia Planetia, Iowa?
lol... exactly... That shipyard should've been in orbit _above_ San Francisco, or Utopia Planitia on Mars... NOT in Iowa... those ships don't really fly that well in an atmosphere...
lol bro that was an easter egg in Iowa but just ignore that why don't you.
Salvor Hardin imagine launching a COMPLETED STARSHIP to orbit...
Cuttlefish Star Empire
There are some classes of starhips capable of athmospheric flight and even landing/departure... but ALL starfleet's sheep are built in orbital shipyards.
You were way too generous with this movie!
What about these:
-Kirk's father staying in the ship because of the autopilot, then setting the course and doing nothing else but talking with his wife instead of escaping.
-Kirk's mother carried through engineering on the way to the escape pods.
-Sending undergraduate cadets as the crew of the Federation's Flagship.
-Sending cadets because the fleet is somewhere else, then the fleet goes with them and is destroyed by Nero.
-Naming Kirk first officer for no good reason... and while suspended.
-Bones giving Kirk actual symptoms to get him into the Enterprise, instead of just faking them.
-Spook's mother sees the drill from home, then she's in the temple
-She is human and the Vulcans quite racist, but she is in the council for Vulcan cultural heritage or whatever.
-His father also on the council... I thought he was the ambassador to Earth.
... and I'm getting tired of typing; but I have a lot more.
Oh, this one is good:
-being able to see the capsule with red matter get into the supernova and instantly exploding... you know, supernovas are vast and expanding at nearly the speed of light.
This needs a re-do. It should be MUCH longer.
YES! So much more to say :D
Spocks height difference is called getting old -_-
***** Or they start slouching and saying "OY my back!"
Not if the older one is taller.
Robert Monjo .. yah but the older Spock is the one thats shorter
Leonard Nimoy is only an inch shorter than Zachary Quinto. I think that could be explained by age.
no lens flare bonus round :(
This specifically pisses me off since that's the only thing I remember about the movie.
Haha, I love the House MD comment in there ;)
I've been watching a lot of these videos lately and love them! Could you do "Everything Wrong with Tomorrowland"?
I consider myself a hardcore trekkie, but I do enjoy Abram's Star Trek films. In order to do so, however, I think of them more as Star Trek with a Star Wars paint job, not true Star Trek.
+fatherbrain1 That's kind of a good explanation of them.
I don't go that far. I habe to disassociate it entirely to get any entertainment there. There is Star Trek and there is JJ Trek: Cheap Knock Off.
+fatherbrain1 I just think of them as JJ Trek, unconnected to Star Trek in any way. "The names have been changed to protect the innocent..."
NEEEERRRDD
The problem with your statement is that the original Star trek is just that. There will never be anything exactly like it again. They had a magic that can't be completely replicated.
My boss collect old phones. He has some really old in his collection, 1950's etc. A year ago somebody gave him a replica of an old US coin-operated phone from a phone booth. From far away it looks quite nice. It even works as a phone. But if you look closely you can see that the rotary dial is a fake masking cheap buttons, the whole construction is a cheap painted plastic and the coin mechanism is just a dummy. That replica reminded me of both Star Trek movies by J.J. Abrams. Cheap, plastic, fake and unappealing. Just trying to cash in on the franchise.
I can somewhat forgive what he did to Star Trek. Star Wars not so much.
1:35 SpaceX Starship development team: allow us to introduce ourselves
99% of these questions can be answered with "its the JJ Abrams Star Trek"
I think this one is short by about 100 sins.
+FoxxPix This guy always does a half assed job on Star Trek movies, I am not sure why.
+wilomica well considering this movie is directed almost perfectly I assume you are talking about the script
+tyler cecire (Bane) J.J. Abrams is IMO one of the most over-rated directors. His style (what there is of it) is entirely wrong for Star Trek. The lens flares and lack of a coherent story made this movie the worst Star Trek movie ever. It did not feel like Star Trek because Abrams has no idea what the core of Star Trek is. This is isn't "Lost" in space.
wilomica So what your saying is lens flares dont belong in star trek, less humor, and more cheesy ass space adventures. And you are also saying I wanted stilted shots and horrible cinematography. Gotcha
What humour, lack of humour was part of the problem! And lens flares belong in cheesey found footage movies. And their were plenty of stilted shots and bad cinematography. That is why I dont like J.J. Abrams besides stories that have plot holes you can drive a shuttle craft through it is practically his trademark.
RIP Chekov
I may have been misinformed, but didn't JJ Abrams say that he doesn't even like Star Trek? If that's true, it makes me so freaking mad. As a huge Star Trek fan, I want someone that's actually passionate about the series as a whole to be the person to create a reboot.
+SilverFoxTalks That explains a lot. The movie looks like Abrams actually wanted to make Star Wars.
+SilverFoxTalks Jonathan Frakes petitioned to direct the third movie when JJ stepped out, he got shot down and they hired that Fast & Furious guy instead. I have lost all hope in Paramount and I doubt ST ever gets back on its feet.
JJ said he never understood Star Trek
Everything wrong with Star Trek (2009) in two syllables: A-brams
No but seriosly.
A sin that my mom noticed in both this movie and Into Darkness is that if these are prequels, then why do they have seemingly better and more modern technology than in the original series and movies, that are in the future from these movies setting in time? I know that obviously movie technology has been improved since the originals came out but its a bit stupid to make everything more modern in the past then in the future. Its like they didnt even try.
They did that in Star Wars too.
These movies are set in a alternate universe known as the Kelvin Timeline. After the events of the Kelvin incident, the Narada attacks, and reports of Klingons gaining technology from the Narada (the Narada was supposedly fitted with borg tech), the federation took a heavy militaristic approach towards starfleet. The Enterprise was the beginning of that and in Into Darkness was where we see Admiral Marcus leading the secret construction of the Vengeance, which actually was a Section 31 ship designed by that timeline’s Khan.
Almost everything in this video is spot on. There's also something else that bugs me so much I just can't get over it. The complete and total lack of knowledge about what a black hole is and how it works. Literally everything in this movie that has to do with black holes breaks my brain. This isn't how they work. This isn't even almost how they work. Most sci-fi fans have more knowledge of how black holes work than this. Also for the point of "where did the black hole go?" The schwarzschild radius would be very very small. Far too small to be seen from a planet. Anyway, the final scene is the one that just drives me absolutely nuts.
1. Nero's ship is INSIDE the black hole. In the scene most of it is beyond the event horizon. It is called this because there are no events beyond his point. No communication. No way to see it. No way to shoot it. Hell, the time difference between the two ships would approach infinity, for most the ship it would be infinite.
2. At this range with the size of this black hole there would be extreme tidal forces causing spaghettification. Everyone on the Enterprise should be dead.
3. This one is my biggest problem with the scene. They are going "max warp" which in the days of TOS is Warp 5. There is an equation that the writers of Star Trek use fairly religiously that tells them how long it will take to get from point A to point B at whatever warp they need. In the shows when they say, "It will take x time to get there at x warp" this equation was used. At warp 5 the speed is 125c. That is 125 times the speed of light. Light is capable of leaving the gravitational pull of a black hole right up until the event horizon. How exactly can't the Enterprise escape prior to being pulled down? It is technically completely possible, given enough energy and many other factors that would be required to keep from dying such the black hole being large enough to not turn you into spaghetti, to hover micro-meters above the event horizon. One hundred twenty five times the speed of light is enough speed to escape any black hole at any point outside the event horizon.
Before someone chalks this up to nerd rage, it would have been just as cool to just suck away Nero's ship when the black hole formed in some equally epic explosion scene (which still wouldn't have been scientifically accurate, but would make for better move effects).
Yes it is science fiction, but sci-fi still normally at least TRIES to maintain some amount of science in it. I suspend belief just as much as the next guy, but must I suspend 100% of it?
+Sothas Since when has Star Trek *EVER* not completely violated the known laws of the universe? Heck, the Next Generation production staff even had a "technobabble" code so a scriptwriter could type something like "I'll just VERB the NOUN by adjusting the OTHER VERB" and later they would stuff in the appropriate pseudo-science, like "I'll just REPROGRAM the DEFLECTORS by adjusting the RESONANT FREQUENCY."
Besides, while I like the movie, Abrams pretty much trashed half of canon (not everything was changed by the time travel), so it's open season on all the screw-ups. For example, in the original history, the Federation didn't even know what Romulans LOOKED like, until _Balance of Terror_.
+Sothas It's sci-fi. One day when you're a little bit older and you understand the world more you can learn how fiction isn't real. Also, you don't have to write an essay about it, pretending to be nerdy to try and look cool. You literaly know nothing about this.
+=spock and roll Hahahahaha! Ok man, whatever. You know what the 'sci' part is in sci-fi? It's science the second is fiction. The science fiction genre appeals because of the idea of what the future could be. That is exactly what Star Trek is about. It always paralleled current social events and it also paved the way for future technology. These movies do none of that. The best sci-fi always has some foundation in reality. When it doesn't, it's science fantasy. Star Wars is a good example of that. The black hole is is annoying because this is science that we do know exists. Past episodes with technobabble and made up sciency things are fine because they make shit up that doesn't exist. This is a known (if not completely understood) astrological object. Even if we are wrong about what it is, which we're not, at least stick to what we believe it is. What was done was trash.
Also, it's cute that you think an attempted insult on my age and intelligence would do anything. Nice try. Rant exists cuz at the time I chose to do it instead of whatever else I could have done at that time between work and sleep.
that's literaly proving my point. It's science fiction, even though star trek is amazing at being true to science, it is allowed to be made up as long as they have so reasoning behind it. And two things, calm down it's not good to get angry and start crying over nothing!!
+=spock and roll Pretty sure there's no crying or anger. You're just trying troll so I'll just leave now.
How about the fact that Kirk was supposed to be born in Iowa... now, events have not changed up to this point so they are not on an alternative timeline yet, so what hte hell is Kirk's mother doing on a research vessel so far away from Earth in labour when she should be in Iowa?
And what about starships built on the planet surface?? I didn't know the destruction of the Kelvin could make such a drastic change in starship manufacturing, yet keep the design of said starships exactly the same!!
Oh, and did you notice how the turbolift taking people on the Kelvin to the escape shuttles goes DOWN to the shuttle bay, then the shuttle leaves the TOP of the ship?
The shuttle bay was below the saucer section.
no, look again... on the Kelvin, the warp nacelle is below, and the shuttle bay is above (freeze image at 0:35)
Andrea Woodvine Alright, I'll give you that. But, they still had to go down from the bridge first to get to the part of the ship that connects to the shuttle bay.
Mrs. Kirk wasn't on the bridge...
Andrea Woodvine Maybe med bay was on an upper level as well. But, whatever, we're probably reading too much into this.
LENS FLAAAAAAARES
+Uchiha Sasuke Yeah, they should have given a sin for every frickin' lens flare.
+Krshwunk should've been a bonus round
+Krshwunk Hey I like those! I don't need to hear U people complaining that ur weak little eyes can't handle it! It's just a cool style to create a nice, intense sci-fi feel.
+ENDER⌚EINSTEIN⌚ No.
+ENDER⌚EINSTEIN⌚ Not a Star Trek feel, not at all.
"...except this Star Trek movie isn't a parody"
Are we sure about that?
+ChakatBlackstar , it was a parody of "Galaxy Quest."
You want a Star Trek Parody? Look up USS Callister. You’ll *Definitely* get a laugh out of that.
Yes. We’re sure of that
They gave Spock a girlfriend,it is a parody.
waayyyy to nice to this movie
Nokia, it's like the Pan-Am logo appearing in '2001: A Space Odyssey'.
I am a long time star trek fan and these everything wrong with videos are hilarious.
I feel like it's a sin that Spock just casually knows that Vulcans and Romulans are related when it is a major reveal in the first Romulan episode.
Couldn't you just count the lense flares? That would have been the main part!
1:35 SpaceX Starbase workers: *Uno reverse card*
You should do Star Wars!!! I'm a huge fan of those series but it would still be awesome to see a sins video from you guys. :P
The vader effect at 4:16 was really creative
3:40 Visionary science fiction director >that created Lost< rips off the Dharma stations from Lost.*
Making it even worse.
It's not 'ripping off' if it's from the same guy though. It's just recycling.
Michael Edwards Regurgitating your own ideas is worse than ripping off, making your little nerd-rage moment pointless.
Excuse me, mate? You wanna fucking go?
hedrack08 Wow, you're literally too stupid.
This would have been a reasonable SF themed action movie, if they didn't call it Star Trek. The big problem with the movie is that it calls itself Star Trek but it isn't.
+RogerWilco Absolutely Agree!! Would've been a great movie all by itself, but certainly was not Star Trek. Too much BS if you ask me.
+RogerWilco It's "I wish was making *Star Wars*, but I can't, so this will do.
animal house in space
This is one of my favorite movies but I laughed throughout the entire thing 😂 NO MOVIE WITHOUT SIN!!
About sin #52 "The Core" The ship does NEED the core to operate at warp. But though they lost the core, they still have Auxiliary Impulse Power to the secondary engines (Impulse) So when they got to Earth off of Impulse they could've easily installed a new Warp Core.
3:02 I got this one. According to Stephen Hawking, black holes will slowly shrink and dissolve with time. They named the radiation that black holes emit as they vanish Hawking Radiation. Basically, a black hole needs a continuing supply of material to keep it "fed" in order to keep existing. Denied that, it will slowly die out. Now where this physics breaks down in this movie is that by Hawking's theory the black hole that destroys the planet is too small to exist at all- such a thing would last for less than a second before winking back out of existence. You need something the size of a star for a black hole to have any kind of significant lifespan.
xaonon dyndns org * hawking put in earth's mass (Vulcan is probably similar) and it says that the blackhole would last longer than the universe.
but yeah, that drop of redmatter would have a radius of just over 36000 plank lengths(assuming a mass of a gram), so it couldn't even absorb an electron.
I don't think any actual Hawking physics can apply to a black hole that is created by red goo that can be held in a glass container like mayonnaise, but I applaud your argument in real life none the less. I do wonder what Dr Hawking thinks of this film. I know he has a sense of humor and enjoys American sci-fi cartoon pop-culture as he is a guest voice on "Futurama."
Ellen Carbonell I assumed red-matter was kind of like thorium, only instead of releasing radiation when heated and exposed to neutrons, this implodes.
Ellen Carbonell Hawking also guest-starred on an episode of TNG, Data was in the holodeck playing poker with him, Einstein, and Newton
What? No lens flare bonus round?
I love this movie and I agree
This is fucking hilarious I love the Three Star Wars movies that they made with these guys it sucks that part for is not going to come to light I know there's talk about it but it's a real messy situation to look into it but this was hilarious CinemaSins you did it again
And I just love the Manchester Connecticut Water and Sewage plant doubling for the engineering deck on a 23rd Century Star Ship.... gag.
For #42-43 Spock is half human so it would kind of make sense that his blood is red.
No, Spock's blood is green. We've seen it plenty of times in TOS episodes.
DrToonhattan Apparently not in this universe...oh I hate you J.J. and your parallel "I don't have to care about the whole f*ckin franchise" universe
BenderDefender i think that was an make up mistake, or maybe the blood wasn't supposed to be his? Because when they show kid spock his blood is CLEARLY green.
Logic is Yellow color , but who know how genetic works whit mixing Vulcans an Humans , green and red when is mixed giwe yellow
Spock's blood is copper based, it is green , JJ did not understand that. Spock has a Vulcan body.
Once again, more things that were missed: 0:15 - Autopilot is not the codename for a structure on the ship, it's a goddamn program, you can't "destroy" autopilot any more than you can "destroy" the computer voice telling Kirks dad this crap. You have to say something along the lines of "Ship navigation terminal damaged, autopilot inoperable, manual control required."
2:44 - They actually explained that the "drill" interferes with communication & teleportation equipment .
3:06 - More importantly: bigger alien monster decides to ignore Kirk even though he ran over the exact same piece of terrain, but then ignores the bigger alien that it just ambushed to go after Kirk. No animal would chase after a much less substantial form of sustenance!
- "When the unthinkable happened: the supernova consumed Romulus" How the Hell is that unthinkable?!? You just said that the supernova threatened the galaxy, referring to the planets within them! That's like a bomb disposal expert finding the prospect of a bomb going off unthinkable, after being told that it could go off at any time & threatened the lives of people!
- Also, main villain's motivation is that he's pissed because future Spock didn't get to his planet fast enough, even though he did everything he could. That's like burning down a firefighter's house with his/her kids inside because the station was built too far away. A villain's motivations need at least _some_ logical reasoning to be justifiable. Also, Spock never even mentions the Federation even though Nero says that he blames them too. WTF did they do? Not develop psychic powers to see the supernova was going to occur?!?
- Why in the name of Isaac Asimov does this Romulan "Mining ship" look more like the Collector ship from ME2/A Sunshadow Syndicate Cruiser? Does it use those tentacle things to extract resources from planets? If it did, there'd be no reason to have a laser drill wang because it would have to go into the planet's atmosphere. Also, even putting aside the nonsensical asthetic, why does it have missiles & other weapons?!? It's supposed to be a mining ship not a dreadnought! & that's not even taking the interior of the ship into consideration, not a guard rail in sight! The ship's design doesn't just lack common sense, it lacks *any* sense.
- Okay, using black holes as a means of explaining time travel... Fine, whatever. But A) Spock is "intercepted" by Nero... what does that even mean? If you're caught between a black hole & a retardedly overpowered mining vessel you don't run into the black hole for sanctuary, besides, it was implied that Nero went through first. Even putting that aside, THEY'RE IN SPACE! Even if the ship is right in front of you, you can still go up/down/left/right, & you're supposedly in the fastest ship, so how could you not get away?
- Plus: Okay, so every ship in the future is strong enough to survive going through a goddamn black hole? Maybe if they invested in the speed necessary to escape the event horizon, they might've made it in time, & wouldn't have needed whatever future space armor they created to survive a motherfucking black hole.
tl;dr
+TheTaintedWisdom Nero's anger, while misplaced, has become all he knows and he can't see the situation logically. Romulans are just as emotional as humans are (if not more so) plus are known for striving to achieve their objectives by all means possible or die trying.
ST Apocrypha states that the original ship Narada appeared much simpler but then it was retrofitted using salvaged Borg technology which created its appearance as seen in the movie.
Remember in the original series when the giant space amoeba destroyed the Intrepid, and the psychic shock of a few hundred Vulcans dying nearly knocked Spock unconscious? Yeah, neither did any of the hacks that wrote this movie. Thank God Spock was able to watch the destruction of Vulcan from within the solar system with no ill effects.
AURAL, as in hearing, sensitivity. The creature used by Nero Centaurian slugs (3:04), is not the one from Wrath of Khan (probably more known as Ceti Alpha slugs), but the one from the second to last episode of the first season of ST:TNG episode "Conspiracy".
I didn't realize Thor (Chris hemsworth) was in this movie
The apple sounds like a tribute. If you watched Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan, Kirk eats an apple after explaining how he cheated the simulation.
Luv the Chompers joke at the end LOL
I don't normally nit pick these things but she says "aural sensitivity" not "oral" it's a real skill used by musicians and phonologists. You have to be able to recognize micro-changes in tonality. It's especially helpful when dealing with tonal languages where pitch determines definition. Like Mandarin.
Ship with no atmospheric flight capability built on the surface.
it does have atmospheric flight capability in a number of movies and episodes of the show before thiss....
LOL RACIAL DIVERSITY IN IOWA HAHAHA
I'm from Iowa and tri-raical and even I laughed a bit at that joke.
As amusing as that observation is, he forgot that Uhura and the other cadets were simply slumming it on shore leave.
One of the biggest sins would be how Spock could have witnessed the destruction of Vulcan from Delta Vega when it is in an entirely different star system?
Miracle conincidence sin: The other helmsmen has lungworm ---> Sulu takes his place at the helm ----> makes a amateuer mistake for a trained pilot ----> Enterprise crew does not jump into their doom with the rest of the fleet.
1:36 SpaceX do be like that tho
after it eats vulcan it's basically just sitting there in vulcans place. Since it doesn't have more mass than vulcan it is actually just sitting there without any problem to any other celestial body.
While this is totally true it would have to somehow get the mass to become a black hole in the first place which would affect other celestial bodies. What exactly creates the black hole? A good sci-fi writer would think this through and do research for their material. But they obviously did zero research on black holes judging by the ending ship battle scene where Nero's ship is half way beyond the event horizon and they're.... still communicating somehow? I can rant about this and all the problems with it for a while (i already did in other comments).
+Red Ward My question was rhetorical. lol. I know how black holes work, or at least the modern theories pertaining to them. theoretical astrophysics is a bit of a hobby. Obviously a planet could never have the mass do be able to create a black hole. My issue isn't their creation. Plenty of sci fi have artificial black holes. I'm fine with that. My problem is the complete lack of understand what a black hole is apparent in the movie.
Your sin about Spock approaching the Romulan ship reminded me of a general gripe for space movies; when a ship approaches a planet(mostly star trek shows) and pulls up alongside like it's going through a drive thru...or pulls up to another ship, like there's a road there; no different orientation at all. I understand their problem; if they realistically showed a ship approach a planet at sunlight speed, it would take the whole show while you watch it slowly get smaller and smaller until it disappears.
*sub light*
LOL at the last one, 'permission to come aboard'. Imagine Kirk said, 'not granted'. Spock went, ' ooookaaayyyy....I'll just head back down then...'
You should've had a bonus round for all of the lens flares
Like the "bird" bonus round he did for Iron Man 2? My stomach hurt from that laughter
so what about nero knowing about kirks father??? is that not a sin??
Nero never saw/ heard Kirks father so how di he know he was on the ship when it crashed into Nero's ship?
The outtake clip at the end (5:30) is: Galaxy Quest (DreamWorks Pictures, 1999)
Wow, that DID look like the Dharma stations on Lost!! I never thought about it before. LOL
Let us all hope Abrams has learned from the two Star Trek movies. Let's all wish him a big shovel to fill in any potential plot holes in the Star Wars sequels.
To say nothing of dialing back the damn lens flares. Into Darkness was beyond over the top with them.
DLordSadow Millenium Falcons cockpit will shine like the surface of a white giant!
Hey, ship only need the warp core for engage the warp speed, they still have impulse engines.
They're connected to the warp-drive, apparently; in "The Naked Time," O'Reilly shut down the engines completely, and Scotty said it would take 30 minutes to re-start them; they couldn't just get out on impulse power.
And they don't even run on anti-matter, since the Doomsday Machine neutralized all the anti-matter in the Constellation's warp drive; and its impulse-engines still worked.
Exactly, and they were already using full power (warp engines and impulse engines) trying to getting out of the gravitational rift. So they're made it because of the shock wave produced for the warp core detonation and obviously ship's impulse engines.
José Carlos Pulido That's true, the impulse engines were still operating. However the 2009 movie has lost all context with the original-- they even showed a ship with two engineering-sections and NO warp-nacelles! The Constitution-class cruiser only HAS the engineering-section because it contains the warp-core; a ship can't go to warp without nacelles.
0:58 - Sin #9 - physics are all good here. Young Kirk is still flying in the direction of cliff edge (so he jumped "slower" than the car was travelling). Keep in mind they played it in slo-mo which is disorientating.
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