Eventually there would have to be a cost cap for every team? Especially when you are losing factory teams like Suzuki. Very surprised not to hear Dorna not offering to help Suzuki, but then I guess you would have to help all the teams. Remember the days when you could purchase a RG500 or TZ750 and go racing, even a 500 Honda triple. Sign of the times I guess.
If they de teched the bike the costs would seriously drop . But dorna are over a barrel because if they slowed the bikes to drop costs they wouldnt be much faster than superbikes .
How many spectators at the circuit or on the TV could tell if a Moto GP bike was going 195mph or 205mph? Everybody wants to see close racing with overtaking and now and then the underdog getting a sniff of the top 5. Unless you can make MotoGP affordable for more teams to enter a team then eventually Moto GP will consist of 3 or 4 teams and 8 bikes on the grid. Look how many riders were doing the GPS in the late 70’s and 80,s. Classes have to be affordable, look at our moto3 team, in its first year and producing some great talent.
Fair comment, but how many bikes make a race? Yes it’s the best riders on the best machines, but if you only had say 4 factory bikes always at the front every weekend eventually people get fed up with that ie F1!!!!! ultimately people want to see a race with battles all the way down the field. As for cutting down all the travelling to so many rounds and saving the planet etc etc........leave that for another day. Just my opinion, maybe I’m wrong.
Christ, that rough average would barely pay for a year of Verstappen's salary! Just to show the discrepancy in cost between 2 and 4 wheel prototype racing. Great video, appreciate the breakdown!
I remember reading several years ago that just a easy low side crash cost about 25k. Just knocking off one sensor on the bike resulted in a new wiring harness and sensors, not to mention levers and fairings. I can see the price has gone up.Wow. Love these videos.
Enjoyed that Taylor, really insightful. When I first started club racing on an F400, without including my wee motorhome and forecasting for one set of tyres a round, I paid out £11k for that first year and then the cost actually started coming down about 10% each year after that.
Seeing this after seeing the news that Suzuki is pulling out. Covid + inflation finally catching up. I'm an F1 fan as well and they're discussing amending the cost cap this year due to it. I hope Suzuki, BMW, Kawasaki (the last 2 have great SBK teams) all come into/back to MotoGP one day
Sadly I think motorsport will have a crisis period due to a combination of cost squeezes, technology changes and lack of interest in motorbike racing from younger people. The way things are going Suzuki will probably stop making any race focused machines at all. Going to rag my gixxer while it's still legal! (You never know what laws will come!)
Brilliant vid boss. Me as a life long motorcycle nut who as raced as well, find it hard to understand why they limit fuel in the pretence that they are saving the planet when clearly one less hospitality unit would do the same. It also looks now like these bikes are no longer prototypes. Prototypes of what? Because Ducati/VW and so desperate to win the riders championship they continuously find expensive solutions to get round the rules. It's almost like they are reverse engineering the bikes. 300 bhp plus then work out ways to keep it on track. It almost like they have worked their way into a corner. Where to go from here? 500 bhp self balancing billboards which the rider only sits on on the grid. The fact that there is only one tyre manufacturer is also spoiling racing. There are as you touched on 15 to 20 riders who can lap within less than a second of each other, why? Because they are on the same tyres, with more of less the same power. There is only one perfect line as you know, and the top 10 at least ride this line lap after lap which makes overtaking dam near impossible. Thanks for posting.
Your looking very well Taylor , ooooffft expensive ,well i guess ill have to put my Moto Gp Team on hold just now lol, maybe i'll get some pointers from Mark, but he didn't do too well with Michael interview lol, Niall told me at Knockhill BSB that your responsible for the Mark Videos, it's been so long since we had one. we miss mark , he brightens all our day. Keep safe bud and i feel for you having to put up with all that sun, raining here in scotland.
This is a really good insight to someone who really got some idea in this sport . I'm hoping Taylor Mackenzie brings a British Team in MotoGP in 2 to 3 years time whether it's a Satellite of Yamaha or BMW in case they comeback as works outfit in 2024. Of course if he can do that, he needs a solid sponsorship from UK or other countries that willing to take the responsibility.
You haven’t added / looked at development cost… so what does a manufacturer spent to design bikes and enter the MotoGP first off? That would be interesting
Yes I would agree, because the development of these so called prototypes have very little to do with road bike these days. I am surprised the factories bother. Suzuki know that they sell mostly normal road bikes and MGP adds nothing to their sales or development. The masses can't afford a car, so a 30k bike which will get them killed or put in prison for speeding is a complete no no.
Development has to be more expensive than the day to day running of the team. Especially the big guns like Ducati and Honda I wouldn't be surprised if they spent upwards of 30M on development a year
I didn’t add development costs as this was for a satellite team just to get on the grid. I’ve done some more digging to get some more figured on a factory team for a later video 😁
How long do think that spending that kinda of money is sustainable? Besides MotoGp there are sponsorships for World Superbike and lower levels. Unless someone is printing money or has a money tree or two in the backyard I believe there is a mighty reset coming via the economy and factory commitment.
@@redactedrider7606 🤣🤣 I do agree 14 million might not be large percentage in their total budgets but I believe the return on investment from MotoGp isn't that great and might be better spent elsewhere. The argument could be made for technology development but even then how much MotoGp can be flowed down to production where it usable and affordable. Liter sport bikes sales have been dropping steadily so I'm not sure where the pay back is, even fewer fans are showing up at races.
@@flatcapcaferacer It's no longer about bikes or racing, look at the show, we spend more time talk bo....x and looking at sponsors than we do racing? It's just TV time for advertising. This is why riders are so bland, never really saying what the feel. They are an advertising billboard, Rossi learnt this early on and has made millions.
So 2000000$ and 50 employees if u do the math thats only like 40k a year per employee i mean that’s basically minimum wage are you sure?? Figured the truck driver alone gotta make more than that plus the engineers and stuff i dont know if that adds up
Yup, I think that’s very conservative. I’d say average of 150k per employee. Given that these folks are the best in the business, highly qualified and not the average 9-5 schedule.
40K euros is not minimum wage in the UK or in Europe unfortunately. And a lot of people aren’t on salaries, they’re paid by the day as it’s only 21 weekends of the year. You’d be surprised what a lot of people are earning I’m afraid!
Wow that is one quick way to spend money it´s just incredible especially for the satellite teams so going down the scale to Moto 2 / Moto3 would it be like maybe 2/3 rds for Moto 2 and maybe a1/3rd for Moto 3 ?? cheers Taylor really interesting stuff you just don't realize 😊👍
British Superbike next and we know you have insiders there (just ask Tarran). I read it was about £300,000 a season. I find BSB a lot more enjoyable to watch than Moto GP.
Checking their web today: "An experienced multinational team of 280 full-time employees, with a further 300 part-time professionals during peak work periods, are the basis of Dorna’s continued success." Can't find a business report quick. Someone got more?
@@iamtherealzombie Gravel traps start the tumbling, the bike goes airborne and the rider starts breaking bones, and heaven help te rider if the bike comes down on him.
That’s the most ridiculous comment I’ve ever heard 😂 and what’s the alternative,…brick walls! 😂 or a 2 mile grass run off on every part of the track 😂 you should really think before you speak! ffs!
@@mikew6922 try watching crashes instead of uninformed comments, tarmac is the safest option, everything keeps sliding without the end over end dangerous tumbling, grass and gravel should be replaced by tarmac.
MotoGP and F1 growth can explode once they enter India... GP had their 1st race last year... And F1 quit a decade ago due to the previous corrupt govt... Now the boost for manufacturing and racing is higher than ever in India and they can look for 3 decades of growth easily in India and overall
Whats it cost to get oneself into a hospitality tent, is it cash money or do you have to know someone who knows someone. Obviously sponsors etc but can the man on the street blow a wad load of money and rub shoulders with the stars….. cheers.
very interesting but way too much of 'you' filming yourself talking.., instead of moto pics ,vids & material..,nothing wrong with narrating over images..!!
Eventually there would have to be a cost cap for every team? Especially when you are losing factory teams like Suzuki. Very surprised not to hear Dorna not offering to help Suzuki, but then I guess you would have to help all the teams. Remember the days when you could purchase a RG500 or TZ750 and go racing, even a 500 Honda triple. Sign of the times I guess.
If they de teched the bike the costs would seriously drop . But dorna are over a barrel because if they slowed the bikes to drop costs they wouldnt be much faster than superbikes .
How many spectators at the circuit or on the TV could tell if a Moto GP bike was going 195mph or 205mph? Everybody wants to see close racing with overtaking and now and then the underdog getting a sniff of the top 5. Unless you can make MotoGP affordable for more teams to enter a team then eventually Moto GP will consist of 3 or 4 teams and 8 bikes on the grid. Look how many riders were doing the GPS in the late 70’s and 80,s.
Classes have to be affordable, look at our moto3 team, in its first year and producing some great talent.
@@paulbaldock6313 couldn't agree more
Dunno about that, Motogp is the pinnacle of 2 wheeled technology, always pushing. If you want cheaper racing then there is WSBK
Fair comment, but how many bikes make a race? Yes it’s the best riders on the best machines, but if you only had say 4 factory bikes always at the front every weekend eventually people get fed up with that ie F1!!!!! ultimately people want to see a race with battles all the way down the field. As for cutting down all the travelling to so many rounds and saving the planet etc etc........leave that for another day.
Just my opinion, maybe I’m wrong.
Christ, that rough average would barely pay for a year of Verstappen's salary! Just to show the discrepancy in cost between 2 and 4 wheel prototype racing. Great video, appreciate the breakdown!
I remember reading several years ago that just a easy low side crash cost about 25k. Just knocking off one sensor on the bike resulted in a new wiring harness and sensors, not to mention levers and fairings. I can see the price has gone up.Wow. Love these videos.
Heyyyy What about the Truckies and the Trucks..... The Backbone of EVERY Team......We deserve a special mention...... :-))))
Enjoyed that Taylor, really insightful. When I first started club racing on an F400, without including my wee motorhome and forecasting for one set of tyres a round, I paid out £11k for that first year and then the cost actually started coming down about 10% each year after that.
Dude! Tell those satellite teams that I'll be their rider for $100 a day all in!!
(competitive lap times not guaranteed).
Why would you ride if you can't put in competitive lap times?
@@adarshkeswani2319 for 100$
Also I just remembered that I got to see your dad race to a top 10 finish at Laguna Seca back in 1993. Good times.
Seeing this after seeing the news that Suzuki is pulling out. Covid + inflation finally catching up. I'm an F1 fan as well and they're discussing amending the cost cap this year due to it. I hope Suzuki, BMW, Kawasaki (the last 2 have great SBK teams) all come into/back to MotoGP one day
Sadly I think motorsport will have a crisis period due to a combination of cost squeezes, technology changes and lack of interest in motorbike racing from younger people. The way things are going Suzuki will probably stop making any race focused machines at all.
Going to rag my gixxer while it's still legal! (You never know what laws will come!)
About the same as trackdays then 🤣
Interesting and informative video, maybe each team needs to be limited to a single pop up gazebo 3m x 3m for the hospitality 😂
Be good if you looked into sidecar racing start to finish cost etc.
Doing a really god job on these videos keep up the good work
Brilliant vid boss. Me as a life long motorcycle nut who as raced as well, find it hard to understand why they limit fuel in the pretence that they are saving the planet when clearly one less hospitality unit would do the same. It also looks now like these bikes are no longer prototypes. Prototypes of what? Because Ducati/VW and so desperate to win the riders championship they continuously find expensive solutions to get round the rules. It's almost like they are reverse engineering the bikes. 300 bhp plus then work out ways to keep it on track. It almost like they have worked their way into a corner. Where to go from here? 500 bhp self balancing billboards which the rider only sits on on the grid. The fact that there is only one tyre manufacturer is also spoiling racing. There are as you touched on 15 to 20 riders who can lap within less than a second of each other, why? Because they are on the same tyres, with more of less the same power. There is only one perfect line as you know, and the top 10 at least ride this line lap after lap which makes overtaking dam near impossible. Thanks for posting.
Mate that was an outstanding video! Thanks for sharing that.
I am sure that Taka Nakagami went over the budget for crashing every single year since he started riding. He should be called Crashing Nakagami!
7:30 Maverick Vinales this year has been the bestest boy, apparently.
Brilliant Taylor! Such a straightforward presentation, but I bet it took a fair bit of thinking and sleuthing to work it out!
Your looking very well Taylor , ooooffft expensive ,well i guess ill have to put my Moto Gp Team on hold just now lol, maybe i'll get some pointers from Mark, but he didn't do too well with Michael interview lol, Niall told me at Knockhill BSB that your responsible for the Mark Videos, it's been so long since we had one. we miss mark , he brightens all our day. Keep safe bud and i feel for you having to put up with all that sun, raining here in scotland.
Yes! More Mad Mark please! 😽✌️
My god that’s an eye opener, thank you
Do a TT event cost Taylor will you plz .. thanks for this one.
Pretty cheap compared to these insane costs!
Thank you; that was very informative!
At the end of the season can you give the bike back in a skip!!! Or do they expect a running example!!!
Just waiting to win the Euromillions jackpot, then I'm in!
Loved the video...just liked and subscribed...lets learn more about motorcycle racing.
Thanks Max 😁
Yes, Taylor made a good job so far. Thanks Taylor!
Mint Taylor 🙌😎and bizarre how much it all cost 🤷♂️😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks Mac 👍
When you compare that to Paul Bird who i believe was running on a budget of about £3,000,000 when he had his team in moto gp.
This is a really good insight to someone who really got some idea in this sport . I'm hoping Taylor Mackenzie brings a British Team in MotoGP in 2 to 3 years time whether it's a Satellite of Yamaha or BMW in case they comeback as works outfit in 2024.
Of course if he can do that, he needs a solid sponsorship from UK or other countries that willing to take the responsibility.
Brilliant Video ❤ Thank you 🙏
great vid again taylor thank you
I knew it was expensive but Jesus that is off the scale.
Great info, THANKS
You haven’t added / looked at development cost… so what does a manufacturer spent to design bikes and enter the MotoGP first off? That would be interesting
Yes I would agree, because the development of these so called prototypes have very little to do with road bike these days. I am surprised the factories bother. Suzuki know that they sell mostly normal road bikes and MGP adds nothing to their sales or development. The masses can't afford a car, so a 30k bike which will get them killed or put in prison for speeding is a complete no no.
Development has to be more expensive than the day to day running of the team. Especially the big guns like Ducati and Honda I wouldn't be surprised if they spent upwards of 30M on development a year
I didn’t add development costs as this was for a satellite team just to get on the grid. I’ve done some more digging to get some more figured on a factory team for a later video 😁
Think I might start a couple of teams up bud 😂
How does that compare to BSB Taylor? really interesting stuff!
Sooo interesting, great video!
Thx for the info
How long do think that spending that kinda of money is sustainable? Besides MotoGp there are sponsorships for World Superbike and lower levels. Unless someone is printing money or has a money tree or two in the backyard I believe there is a mighty reset coming via the economy and factory commitment.
@@redactedrider7606 🤣🤣 I do agree 14 million might not be large percentage in their total budgets but I believe the return on investment from MotoGp isn't that great and might be better spent elsewhere.
The argument could be made for technology development but even then how much MotoGp can be flowed down to production where it usable and affordable.
Liter sport bikes sales have been dropping steadily so I'm not sure where the pay back is, even fewer fans are showing up at races.
@@flatcapcaferacer It's no longer about bikes or racing, look at the show, we spend more time talk bo....x and looking at sponsors than we do racing? It's just TV time for advertising. This is why riders are so bland, never really saying what the feel. They are an advertising billboard, Rossi learnt this early on and has made millions.
So we need is a big big lottery win!!
Marquez was paid $10 million for the 2016 - 2018 seasons which went up to $14.5 million for the 2018 -2020 seasons
That’s what I thought as well
We have the costs of running the team, but does each event payout to the teams for each event? I would think so.
perhaps the safest bet is somewhere between 20M~30M just to make everything into account...?
Now wonder why Suzuki pulled out. That's a lot of motorcycles to sell to cover these costs
So 2000000$ and 50 employees if u do the math thats only like 40k a year per employee i mean that’s basically minimum wage are you sure?? Figured the truck driver alone gotta make more than that plus the engineers and stuff i dont know if that adds up
Yup, I think that’s very conservative. I’d say average of 150k per employee. Given that these folks are the best in the business, highly qualified and not the average 9-5 schedule.
40K euros is not minimum wage in the UK or in Europe unfortunately. And a lot of people aren’t on salaries, they’re paid by the day as it’s only 21 weekends of the year. You’d be surprised what a lot of people are earning I’m afraid!
Got to love some data :-)
Legend!! ✌️
Wow that is one quick way to spend money it´s just incredible especially for the satellite teams so going down the scale to Moto 2 / Moto3 would it be like maybe 2/3 rds for Moto 2 and maybe a1/3rd for Moto 3 ?? cheers Taylor really interesting stuff you just don't realize 😊👍
There’s no spaces in Moto2 & Moto3 bro haha
valentino rossi said that the gap from moto2 to motogp, on a monetary point of view, is times TEN !!!
Highest Salary- MM93
Expensive Bike- Honda Repsol 93
British Superbike next and we know you have insiders there (just ask Tarran). I read it was about £300,000 a season. I find BSB a lot more enjoyable to watch than Moto GP.
WSBK is far Better than this creepy Ducati GP 😬
Thank you for the insight, makes me wonder how much dorna make from it. And you can bet that Honda are spending a big fatter pile of cash than that.
Honda and KTM are said to spend €50m+ per year.
@@LordShibuya Are they recouping that from motorcycle sales? No.
Checking their web today:
"An experienced multinational team of 280 full-time employees, with a further 300 part-time professionals during peak work periods, are the basis of Dorna’s continued success."
Can't find a business report quick. Someone got more?
bonkers, how much do the teams get if they win the championship?
I just want to know how much the umbrella girls make….
Get rid of gravel traps, thats when the crash damage & injuries start.
Injuries are caused by gravel traps... deaths are caused by sliding into walls at 200+mph. Gravel traps slow down the rider and the bike.
@@iamtherealzombie Gravel traps start the tumbling, the bike goes airborne and the rider starts breaking bones, and heaven help te rider if the bike comes down on him.
That’s the most ridiculous comment I’ve ever heard 😂 and what’s the alternative,…brick walls! 😂 or a 2 mile grass run off on every part of the track 😂 you should really think before you speak! ffs!
@@mikew6922 try watching crashes instead of uninformed comments, tarmac is the safest option, everything keeps sliding without the end over end dangerous tumbling, grass and gravel should be replaced by tarmac.
@@gregrsvr3947 been racing for over twenty years and you’re talking absolute rubbish! Gravel reduces the speed tarmac doesn’t! 🤡
Does it state in the lease the condition the bike needs to be returned in? Trash it the last race of the season and hand it back
Mega money!
Nice!!!
I figure about 20 million USD
Cool.
That is a lot of money for what is basically a glorified marketing exercise.
Spot on.
It sounds daft, but I’d have expected it to be higher 🤔
I got enough for about 6 minutes worth of ownership.
Ouch!!!
MotoGP and F1 growth can explode once they enter India...
GP had their 1st race last year...
And F1 quit a decade ago due to the previous corrupt govt...
Now the boost for manufacturing and racing is higher than ever in India and they can look for 3 decades of growth easily in India and overall
what about a BSB team?
What size rims , tires and widths do they use ?
17 inch 200 rear tires, not sure about the height
More than Suzuki can afford.
I one way Suzuki is doing right!
More like how much does it cost Lenovo to sponsor motogp and F1
i meet you dad at dodington top man
It is not cheap to run a moto1 team !
Does the prize money cover the costs?
Arabian oil slick50
i wonder how much F1 is
mad so you need £1500000 really to be in moto gp crazy money can you do a vid on WSBK ??
How much a team earn?
Whats it cost to get oneself into a hospitality tent, is it cash money or do you have to know someone who knows someone. Obviously sponsors etc but can the man on the street blow a wad load of money and rub shoulders with the stars….. cheers.
Must cost honda repsol a fortune with crash damage with just 1 rider 🤣🤣
Costs about tree fiddy
very interesting but way too much of 'you' filming yourself talking.., instead of moto pics ,vids & material..,nothing wrong with narrating over images..!!
How much telly money ?🤔