I'm Changing My Filter Wheel! - Player One Phoenix EFW
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Just a little unbox & install video for my new filter wheel! - Looking forwards to using this a little later in the season! :-)
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Hey Luke, I always find your commentary and thoughtful observations first rate. You have a deep respect for this hobby and the companies that produce quality products. I’m sure most “civilians” (i.e., non-astro blokes) can’t imagine the love affair we have with our equipment. As for me, accumulating various upgrades to my kit is serious business, which in turn provides serious satisfaction. Do enjoy your new filter wheel mate.😊
Thanks Joe!! - I almost didn't make this video at all as I thought the subject was too mundane, but I'm glad I did in the end! :-)
As always, I appreciate your support my friend! - Hope you have a superb weekend!
PlayerOne is just awesome! I am so glad you are using their stuff, can't wait to see what they come out with next! Thanks Luke for your time into putting this video out there and for us to know about other good options for astro imaging! Your time and dedication are VERY well noticed so please keep up the good work buddy!
Thanks bro! I'll hopefully be able to get working on more content soon too, I've just been drained of energy and had no skies lol!
Looking forwards to what's next for player one!
Never mind my previous question. As you described the internal differences, I could see why you switched. Player One always builds 'em well.
Still here. It’s been the worst winter ever here in Northern California. Epic snow and rain. Snowing where it never snows. 2 solid months of no imaging. So reprocessing old data and finding videos to watch. But 18 of my metal prints will be at a art gallery all summer. A tip for anyone wanting to print your beautiful astrophotography work . Calibrate you monitor with a good calibration tool . Before I did that only frustration after I bought and used the spider x pro , not a plug just what I used and 150$ us , my metal prints came out nice. Like the wow factor. So if your prints come out to dark now you know why. Oh and save them in the rgb format in Pixinsight.
That's been rough by the sound of it Dan!! I hope your weather changes soon buddy! - Our own weather here is showing no signs of passing unfortunately :-(
Glad to hear that you are having a gallery display though, that's awesome - well done, I'm really happy for you! I hope that seeing your photos inspires others to get out there under the stars! :-)
Get well ! Enjoy your videos.
I appreciate that Timothy!! Thanks mate :-D
LOL - I was here. :D
Great to see the insides of the Player1 filter wheel. Looks like it's another nice company. Always good for us astrophotographers to have competition and choices.
Haha, that's excellent :-D Thanks so much for watching and giving your support my friend!
RE: Player One, - I agree mate, I really like the fact that a serious new competitor is around to keep the other companies on their toes! :-)
Clear skies!
'Clear skies' What an oxymoron! Since December 1st I have had maybe 5 nights with a clear sky during the evening and only got out one of those as the rest it wasn't clear till long after midnight and once my head hits the pillow nothing is waking me up! lol
Haha!! I think you're right mate, when I say "clear skies" it's just wishful thinking at this point LOL! :-D
Thanks for watching!
Great Stuff luke, These Filter wheels just remind me of A paint Holder when the camera is the Brush and your computer is the Canvas! The Magic Happens 💯
That's a really interesting way to think about it mate!! :-D Thanks for watching!
I was here!!! Good to see you back mate & hope you're feeling better to, looks like a nice filter wheel look forward to seeing it in action.
Clear skies & best wishes to you both.
Another one for the "I was here" clan!! Fantastic haha, thanks so much for your support mate :-D
I'm recovering well mate, thanks for asking! Still got a heck of an annoying cough though lol - never had a winter with so many bloody illnesses!
Hope that you and Nicky are doing well my friend!
All the best
If your weather luck is anything like mine, I’d bet it’s snowing harder by the time you’ve completed the video. FWIW I watch videos all the way through. You made the effort to create the content so the least I can do is watch it all the way to the end. Cheers! Hope it clears up for you soon. As for clear weather, my last clear night was the first week of November 2022.
I really appreciate your support my friend, thank you!! - RE: your mention of the snow/weather - you were 100% right LOL, it went from a little snowy to completely covered in the next 12hrs!
Thank you very much indeed for watching :-) Hope you have a great weekend!
Hi Luke,
Yep, I watched the whole video. I am chomping on the bit to get the Player One Poseidon-M Pro (IMX571). That filter wheel would be a great addition to it. I've been noticing an abundance of winter weather in your corner of the world lately. It's been somewhat decent here but the clear skies came with the full moon .. ugh! But the garden is waking up and the promise of spring is in the air.
Hey there Pat! Hope you have been keeping well my friend :-)
I'm glad to hear the Heavenly Backyard is springing into life once again, that's really good news! - Our weather here has been less like spring and more like a late winter lately, haha!
RE: the Player One Poseidon - I think they have some really nice deals on the site now where you can buy a filterwheel and OAG combo if that kind of thing is interesting to you mate!
Hope you have a wonderful weekend ahead Pat!
I don’t habe a filter wheel (still paddling around in the OSC kiddies pool), so interesting to see how they are put together. Cheers Luke!
Thanks for watching Stuart! - They are really neat bits of kit hey! :-D
Hey Luke, finally caught up with my 'to watch' vids 😀The Player One gear is looking like a real winner! I wish id got the screw in type filters when I did mine, so much easier! Nice unboxing video Luke. Hope you're feeling better now, thats just typical for you to be unwell, just when You & Chloe had some time together!! I missed you at PAS Luke Saturday, would have been nice to catch up, but I know time is precious, maybe next time 🤞 All the best mate! Clear skies!
Thanks so much Simon!! Hope you had a bloomin' great weekend at PAS! - I'm getting better mate thank you, though annoyingly still not 100%, I must have caught the bloody plague or something 😂😂
Hope you are doing well my friend, it really would have been great to catch up but this PAS just wasn't on the cards for us unfortunately 🙏
Great, well thought out video, as usual Luke, keep up the good work….👍🏻
Thanks buddy! Clear skies 👍👍
Nice to see more options out there although it's a shame there's no saving buying one brand over the other as both brands are the same price (excluding short term on sale events). It is good that the electronics are hidden away from potential damage when the filterwheel is open. As for the USB C debate, I still kind of prefer USB A purely from the fact that I find USB C slots can be not as snug fitting as USB A and slight movements of the USB C cable on my laptops has led to disconnections which can be infuriating. Hope you make a speedy recovery from your illness and hopefully the skies are clear again soon.
Hey Logan I actually generally go the same way with connections, personally I prefer how solid the USB A fitting feels over the C.
Hey Logan! - Hope you've been well mate :-)
Interesting to hear you've had issues with USB-C, that's something well worth keeping an eye on!
Appreciate the well wishes for my health mate - I'm definitely on the mend! :-)
Clear skies!
I just received my new Poseidon-M and the Phoenix 7x36 filter wheel. I can report that the USB-C connectors snap into place with a very firm snap, and are not at all wiggly. Very solid.
Pascal
Good to know that Pascal!! Thanks for sharing mate 👍👍
@@pascalnelson9034I can report it is the same with the Player One Artemis M Pro camera. The the usb c ports are very snug and secure with a good snap into place.
Hi Luke. Hall effects have never failed me in the past but optics have. So winner, if i was buying. Don't know if you know already, losing screws can be saved. I use a neodim magnet (what ever their called) on the outside of a steel tin for holding screws. Slide the magnet off when you want to take them back out. Even put the same type magnet attached to the screw driver or alan key being used, so as not to drop the screw. Narrow rc silicone fuel tube. Small length on your Alan Key (longest shaft) give you a better grip. Hope thats of help ! Nice clear explained video as per. Its the small equipment that gets missed on unboxing videos. Hope you can keep up the good work. Clear sky's to you.
Thanks for the lovely tips and support Mel, I appreciate it mate! :-D
I've luckily never had an optical sensor fail myself, but absolutely can appreciate how that'd happen so I definitely agree that a hall effect sensor should be a good step forwards :-)
Clear skies!
I love the look of their products! Seriously been considering the Poseidon because of your reviews. Thanks! Oh and "I was here!"
Haha, fantastic! :-D Thanks so much for watching mate!
RE: the poseidon, I've been really happy with mine! Plenty more content to come with it as soon as things clear up I hope :-)
Clear skies mate!
@@lukomatico That would be awesome. Hey by the way. Your video about creating the Hubble look from OSC, I wrote a script to automate that in Siril and gave you credit in the video. So thanks for that video. It opened the whole scripting thing up for me!
Oh mate that's wonderful!! Thanks so much for the credit and majorly good job on the work creating a script for the process!! :-)
I'll have a gander at the vid later today with any luck!
I was here
And I'm new around here. Got brought over from Cuiv's channel.
Like your content. Love from Switzerland 😎
That's superb to hear Joshua!! - Thank you very much indeed for your support my friend :-D
Thank you for watching and I hope you have a wonderful weekend!
Mono! maybe next year, but I do like the simplicity with colour for now, lovely unboxing and overview luke..
Thank you Chris mate!! :-D I too really love OSC, it's definitely where my most fun sessions have came from!
Happy new filter wheel, hope it hasn't prolonged your clouds too much longer! (you'll be buying shares in PlayerOne next 😀) Certainly seems to be a growing brand.
Thanks Dave, can't wait to use it a bit later in the year!! - RE: Player One - Ah mate I hope they keep doing well, they're a great company I reckon! :-D
I was here! hope your feeling better, get rid of that crud! CS
Thank you buddy!! Hope you and Isaac are keeping well :-D I really appreciate your support my friend :-)
Excellent review as usual. Get well soon. Both EFWs look good. If I had to be picky, I think the small rubber drive wheel on the Phoenix would probably wear out before the ZWO design. I’m sure it could be replaced if it did.
Thanks very much Cliff!! :-) interesting take on the design mate, it's good to hear your thoughts on it!
Hopefully will be fighting fit soon, ready for some clearer weather with any luck!
Hey dude! Congrats on the filter wheel and I hope you're keeping well :)
Thanks Chris mate! I'm doing good aye, I hope the same is true for you and yours!! :-D
Clear skies mate, and I hope you enjoy yourself at PAS if you're there this weekend!
@@lukomatico Good to hear my friend :) Alas we're not at PAS but I hope you have a good time if Chloe and yourself are going. Just going to chill with family and recover from the week, catch you later! :D
I was here!
good stuff as always luke, think i'll soon be picking up a player one camera and filter wheel too
i'm in the uk as well so definitely feeling your pain with the weather! hope you start to feel better soon
ps: i was here;)
I'm blown away by so many "I was here" crew members! - Thanks so much for your support Jack, I really appreciate that mate! :-D
Hopefully this weather changes soon hey mate, I thought things were looking a little better and now we're covered in snow! Oh well haha
Hope you have a cracking weekend mate!
Excellent 👌
Thanks for watching Christophe! :-) Clear skies my friend!
533mm bring it on 😍😍😍 Buying
Hey Scott! :-D hope you are keeping well mate, I am really looking forwards to seeing Player One's version of the 533!! such a nice sensor :-)
Thanks for watching!
Luke,
This was interesting and helpful. I just received a Player-One Poseidon-M with the 7x36 Phoenix filter wheel. The kit also came with the off-axis guider (OAG) and a Ceres-M guide camera. I have spent this afternoon preparing to put my Antlia 3nm NB filters into the FW and get the camera attached. I am not going to use the OAG or guide camera at this time.
Although you have the 1.25 inch FW, it was helpful to see you open it up and show it off next to the ZWO.
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing how this new setup works.
Pascal
That's fantastic Pascal!! Really happy to hear your kit has arrived, I've been really impressed with all the player one equipment so far 👍
I hope you get some clear skies soon to test everything out mate!
I put mine on the mount yesterday. It was -5C. The Phoenix filter wheel froze up and wouldn't run. Took it inside and warmed it, and it runs fine. I've repeated this test several times and the same outcome every time. It seizes up in even mild cold. Have you experienced a similar issue? I imagine in the UK you don't get as cold as we do here in Canada, though.
Hey there mate! So sorry to hear that happened, I've had this happen with other filter wheels in the past and it's solved by slightly loosening the center axle bolt - only a tiny bit, but they do sometimes come too tight for areas that get sub-zero temps 👍
Hope that helps you!
Certainly no need to apologise for making a video out of a filter wheel exchange. Making videos out of the smallest of things is a well worn path by plenty of other astro you tubers. I for one always find yours a really good watch irrespective of the depth of the content. The product does look extremely robust and its good to see you building a good relationship with player one. I think if you can get your hands on a long focal length scope for galaxy season especially with the mount you have would be great. Anyway Luke I enjoyed the video 👍
Thank you Paul!! - I'm really looking forwards to getting my hands on a long FL astrograph at some point, I'd love to shoot some slightly less-frequently shot targets for a change, going after planetary nebulae and the like :-)
I appreciate the encouraging words RE: the vids by the way, thanks again!
Hope you have a good one mate,
Luke
I was here! 👋🏼😅
Haha! :-D Brilliant! Thanks so much for your support my friend!
Hey Luke, glad to see someone using the Player One equipment. I just bought the Poseidon-M Pro with the 2" filter wheel and OAG. I love their design, but it feels like there is a concerted effort to blackball Player One at least from the US market. Any idea on why that is?
Because they are waayyyyyyyy overpriced compared to more well known brands, being a new player in the market, you would think that would try and undercut the others, but no, they charge way more, and wonder why they are not selling so well, and this new FW is a copy of the well known QHY models…they really need to drop there prices and get established….before hiking the prices….but there kit does look good….
Thanks so much mate! - RE: the blackballing, you are right mate it does seem to be a real thing that's going on and it's not just in the US either! I'm sure they'll succeed regardless as they are making great products! :-)
Better products cost more mate, that's the way of the world! - Why does a Maserati cost more than a Ford? :-P
@@Astro_Shed Their pricing is about middle of the pac on IMX571 cameras. Not the cheapest and not the most expensive. Honestly you can't beat the Touptek ATR3 platform when it comes to price and availability. Touptek rebrand the ATR3 into countless other brands like TS-Optics, Orion, Risingcam, OGMA, and more. It looks like PlayerOne is trying to compete head to head with QHY and ZWO and is priced accordingly. However the kit that PlayerOne offers is a much better deal than the same kits or combos with the other two. On top of being $400 less, you get an OAG with a much bigger prism and an EFW with an improve drive motor. Not sure if using a magnetic encoder is better than an optical encoder. That might just be marketing.
@@Ar3s701 there pricing is nowhere near the same here in the U.K., the player one cameras are a lot more, the IMX571 player one is about £2.5k, here, and the QHY268m is £2k, in fact I just got the QHY268m from Modern Astronomy on an offer for £1799…
I was here! LOL!
Haha, brilliant!! - Thank you MikeY!! :-D
I was here
Hey Luke good to see more options available out there and generally looking pretty solid. Do these guys work at all with the ASI Air ? Not an issue for me but I know for some people exclusively use the Air. Hope you start to improve soon pal.
Hey Ollie mate! - No compatibility with ASIAIR unfortunately, good question! Hope you've been keeping well buddy! :-D
Hi Luke. Another chilled video as usual. There does seem to be quite a few people moving away from ZWO (myself included). I was just curious what the Player One EFW has over the ZWO one? I've just been on the Player One website and they seem reasonably priced. I replaced my 8x1.25'' ZWO EFW with a Starlight Xpress 36mm unmounted wheel because you can swap the carousel to accommodate any other filter size for under £40, which is a huge advantage.
Thanks so much for watching Rick mate! :-)
I reckon the main advantage of the player one FW would be the hall effect sensor which should have high accuracy and 100% repeatability on positioning over millions of actuations with no reliance on an optical sensor, but a disadvantage would be that there's no multi-filter options (like 1.25 & 31mm both fitting in the same zwo wheel)
I really like the swappable carousel on the SX models, that really is some fantastic design on their part! :-)
Clear skies buddy!
I know this is a goddamn expensive hobby! And i'm an alcoholic, not even recovering! I do have the feeling you guys are perhaps upper-level management or something, making a lot of money or how does it work? How did you get from a telescope to THIS? Money-wise, i mean, that story would be nice to hear! I'm from India, and getting these things are almost 1.5x more expensive, if not 2.5 times more expensive! And forget about used gear too! Although if i quit drinking i could maybe get a used DSLR for like 120 quid! I know it's pretty obvious, "you gotta quit some to get some", but would be nice to know how much of your earnings do you save & spend for all this!? An honest question? And thanks for all the vids, keep em coming! CHEERS!
Hey Vijay! - Astronomy is ridiculously expensive that's for sure buddy, haha! :-D
I'm lucky that I get some gear sent for review, but everything else I buy out of my earnings like normal :-) my main income is UA-cam, and I don't earn a lot! I just save my money carefully and only spend when I'm sure it's not going to financially ruin me lol!
I don't know if you are just joking about the alcoholism thing mate but all the same, look after yourself man - be well.
Hope you have a great day!
All the best,
Luke
Nice video Luke, it will be good if you managed to get your hands on the sharp star sca260 that looks like a really nice scope
Fingers crossed Tony! - I'd love to test one of those things out properly and try to get to grips with it :-) Thanks for watching mate!
@@lukomatico it's my pleasure to watch your Luke always well made and informative, hope your feeling better soon mate .ps you and your channel got a big shout out from Rich on Deep space astro ua-cam.com/video/s3TJduagxrw/v-deo.html
Superb mate!! I'll check that out :-D
Hi Luke
Please forgive my ignorance at this stage as I am new to UA-cam.
I am not even sure if I have posted this on the correct page?
I have just taken early retirement (63) and have decided to do something I have always wanted to, do but could not, because of work commitments over the last 40 years.
Just purchased a really good set up, Refractor WO FLT91, ASI 2600MM, Filter wheel and Focuser and Skywatcher Mount.
I have watched some of your videos and they are fabulous, a good way for me to get into the hobby.
I have just set up a Channel membership with you but have been told It is better to be a Patreon?
Which is better?
Can I apologize to everyone reading this as I may be posting this in the wrong place?
Thanks
Keith Dutton
Thank you so much for getting in touch Keith, and I am greatly appreciative for your support too!! :-)
It sounds like you've got a wonderful rig there to enjoy the skies with, that's superb - and congratulations on your retirement by the way! Many happy nights lay ahead I'm sure!
Re: best method of support, people generally say Patreon is more generous with the creator than UA-cam is, but honestly either is a huge help! Thanks again!!
Hope you have a great week ahead,
All the best
Luke 👍
I just ordered a Player One Ares-M and was debating whether to get the 1.25" or 36mm Phoenix wheel. Which camera are you using yours on, and do you find it gives adequate coverage?
Hey there! On my Ares/533 mono I use the 1.25" wheel, it works perfectly 👍
@@lukomatico Thanks, Luke!
I was here ;-o
I appreciate the support a great deal Dave!! :-D Thanks mate!
I have the zwo 1'25" 5 holes one, for such a long time, and I'm thinking to improve to a 7 holes one, but keep my doubt if move to 2" filter wheel or stay with 1'25" thinking to get on future a dso player one camera to change my ASI1600 to an Asc-p sensor, don't think will do full frame.
You recon is better to go for the 2" filter wheel, bearing on mind all becomes more expensive, or is not really need as far as your sensor is full covered by the filter?
I'd say if you want to use aps/c in the future then you'll need at least 36mm filters, if going full frame at any point you will need 2" filters :-)
To me, it'd be worth it as I know with a 2" set I'd not need to replace filters for a very long time, but it all depends on what you feel will suit you best 👍
Clear skies!
What is your experience with the phenix filter wheel ? This summer I will get me the Uranus C pro and Ares C pro. And was thinking of adding the 5 x 2” filter wheel.
For now I have L-pro L-enhance UV/IR and moon filter. But later on I will get me the Askar D1 & D2 and replace the L-enhance so I can create a real SHO image.
I really like it a lot, reliable, well sealed and totally precise! A filter drawer system and a few drawers would probably be more cost effective, but a lot more messing around compared to loading your filters into a wheel and that's it!
Cheers :-)
@@lukomatico thx for the fast reply sir 👌 was looking at filter drawer first. But with filter wheel I can change filter without going out and in winter time that’s a big plus 😜
And yes it’s more expensive but what is not in our hobby
Thanks for the video. It helped me to install the filters. Now, how do I connect the filter wheel to ASCOM? Player-One driver seems to be in a zip file with no installer. Where do I put the files in the zip directory tree? And how do I get ASCOM to see the filter wheel?
Hey mate! If I recall correctly it's just a case of extracting the drivers and running the installer afterwards, at least that's all I can remember!
Sorry I can't be more specific
Good luck!
@@lukomatico After posting this question I found my problem. I downloaded their C interface instead of the ASCOM drivers. I scrolled further down their page and found the ASCOM drivers and installed them. Now SharpCap is able to control the filter wheel.
Odd I didn't get any of that in my box. Only the 17.5mm extension
Hey mate! it could be that I have the 1.25" version rather than the 36mm one 👍
I’ve been considering purchasing this filter wheel (I have the Artemis m pro). How does the accuracy of this filter wheel compare to the ZWO EFW? Do you have to retake flat frames each time you rotate the wheel or does it reliably hit the same position each time? Thank you!
Hey there Nathan! I find the accuracy to be perfect, totally repeatable time after time 👍
The player one wheel has hall effect sensors which enable even greater positional accuracy than the optical sensors used on other wheels!
Clear skies 👍👍
@@lukomaticoAwesome! I’ll place my order now. Do you have any affiliate links with player one dealers in the USA Thanks!
@@nathanbarnard5997 hey mate! That's great, so glad I could be of help! :-D thank you very much for thinking of me with affiliate links by the way, but unfortunately I don't have any links at all for player one 🙏
Thank you all the same though! Hope you have a great week 👍
Luke, please get a set of-straight handle Allan drivers, it looks and so awkward using the standard version when doing this sort of work. Greetings from Tasmania Australia 👍😁🇦🇺🦘
Haha! Noted, I'll have to look at getting a set for sure! Thanks for the pointer Shevill, Hope you have a great weekend my friend!
@@lukomatico Makes all the difference and is a lot safer when changing expensive filters and such like, the right angle standard sets are oK for rough work but for fine instrument work they are a pain.
Thanks heaps Luke. Do they work with asiair plus?
Afraid not buddy! Sorry I didn't mention that in the video 👍
@@lukomatico All good mate. I figured that. I didn't know whether you found a workaround. I use both asiair and NINA in my observatory. I'll keep it in mind for my next rig. Thank you!
I was here 😄
Haha!! Fantastic mate, thanks so much for watching! :-D Hope you have a great weekend!
So you can use 1.25 filters on large sensors as long as they are super close to the camera?
Hey mate! - You can use 1.25" filters on upto a 4/3rds sensor size if they are mounted close enough :-) any larger usually causes a mechanical vignette!
Thanks so much for watching and supporting!
What is a reason for change?
Just an opportunity to try out new gear! :-) My ZWO filter wheels have been very good, so it'll be nice to eventually compare!
Nice video but why??
Why not! Seriously though, the opportunity to have a change came along so I thought lets do it :-)
Yet another filter wheel with its center of gravity way out of the optical axis, putting a lot of rotational/torque load on your focuser and screwed adaptors and causing unbalance to your telescope . . . . missed opportunity again.
I hear you mate! - I have some ideas on how a better filter wheel design could be made, but doubt I can ever make anything happen about them haha!
Thanks for watching :-)
I was here!
Thank you for watching Kerry!! :-D
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Thank you for watching Tim!! I appreciate it my friend 👍👍
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Thanks so much Geoffrey!! :-D