All this talk about IP addresses made me remember that time I was playing a game with some guy and he sent my my IP address. I wasn't intimidated at all not because I'm cool or brave but because I don't know what my IP address is. Thus began 20 minutes of him frustratedly walking me through how to look up my IP address so he could prove he'd hacked me, by which time any threat or intimidation had worn off so he gave up and we continued playing
@@eyeballjay there is a type of pretentious 00's post-college type that thinks they are very cultured and quirky and talk way too much to barnes and noble employees. these people are all that.
That one fanfic I read had a long ass note about how the writer had a literature degree, and so the writing could only be good, fact is, the shit was mediocre quality and wayyy to verbose to be actually enjoyable. Turns out, abusing big words is kinka a red flag for shitty writing
I feel like it gets overlooked a lot that she seemingly searched for a random photo of an "ugly" woman to use as an avatar for her made up hater. That's super gross.
I wonder if it was someone Ms Scribe knew irl, I don't think it's ever been established who they actually were (hopefully they never knew someone user their picture for PottersGinny...
Imagine being that lady and finding out that people not only made fun of your looks, but that someone used your pictures to spew anti-miscegenation and racist rhetoric.
And now weirdo trools on twitter use pics of ugly people to say hateful things knowing others will attack the person in the pfp for their looks. She was the original troll. Talk about girlboss.
It's honestly so funny that Cassandra Clare was so disgusted by taboo stuff in the harry/ginny fanfic, yet proceeded to make potential incest a huge plot point in her stories
it's hilariously buckwild to me that a not-insignificant portion of harry potter fans at that time shipped harry and hermione, wanted ron and ginny out of the way so their ship could be together, and decided the only way to achieve that...was incest
sometimes people actually are disgusted by the very things that they are drawn to... or drawn to them because they are disgusted by them. who knows what it is in this case, but i also thought it was pretty funny.
after all that insanity I realized she has a kid who's like. 20ish now. I'm so curious if they have any idea what their mother was doing in her free time.
Honestly, given that she parlayed her free time into being an impressively wealthy author, as a kid I’d pick and choose my battles on what to turn my nose up about.
If her kids are into fandom there is even a chance one of 'em watched this video. imagine if they don't know. not fully. maybe only that mom was part of fandom culture like what if they said "mom come here, i gotta tell you about this insane fandom story!"
The part that gets me the most is that Ms. Scribe went so hard after Gryffindor Tower for being "prudes" because they kept their NSFW content hidden, rather than going after Sugar Quill, who just straight up didn't allow X-rated fic on their site.
I think a big part of it was also the fact that nobody really knew who anybody at Gryffindor Tower was. A lot of the people that MS wanted to be friends with had old connections to a lot of the Sugar Quill mods, meaning that if she started going after them a LOT more people would have decided to stay neutral. By targeting the smaller, more defenceless GT, she basically guaranteed herself support (especially because they already had a pretty bad reputation after Jeff)
@@allanturmaine5496 No. GT only allowed Ginny/Harry fics. GT mods and Sugar Quill mods were friendly for the most part. GT didn't host explicit slash. Sugar Quill allowed Remus/Sirius, but only if it was PG. A lot of MS's disparagement of GT was because they wouldn't host slash. That's why so many of her sock puppets were over-the-top Christian and gay-hating.
@@authenticpoppy But if GT existed specifically to host Harry/ Ginny fics, why did MS get mad that they didn’t host slash? (Which is like gay nsfw fics I think)
Or, more importantly, the lack of a social media aspect to it. The amount of times I ended up learning months/years later that apparently a massive shipwar had taken place in my fandoms (that I had completely missed because all I did was read fics on AO3) is surprisingly large 😆
@@sleepysera Honestly same lol I like to remain ignorant of the drama and live in my own little world where all faves are alive and well and my ships have sailed.
The funniest part of this is knowing these women are probably around my mom's age, and just imagining MY MOM in like 2003 insulting someone's Harry/Ginny fanfiction. i am cryinnnnggggg
Just remember, the concept and practice of Fandom comes from the middle-aged women who were obsessed with Star Trek in the 60s. These ladies were just doing what /their moms/ did.
The baby who was allegedly kissing a same sex baby was a year and a half old in the Summer of 2002 and is therefore now a full grown 22 year old who has to live knowing her mom is this cringe.
girl in the dan and phil fandom pretended to be pregnant for 9 months to all her big name fan friends , made dan and phil partake in her public gender reveal only to be revealed to have been FAKING the entire thing and then she disappeared completely and ghosted all her close irl big name fan feiwnds and 10s of thousands of followers
tbh would love for “friend of fermatojam” to become the new way to reference obvious fake/sockpuppet accounts like how we used to use “friend of Dorothy”
@@justsomerandompersononthei1773 You just see someone going on about how weird/uncomfortable it makes them that the writer of the fic headcanons some characters as gay/in a relationship and go “is he… you know- ✝️????”
What I find funny is that Gryffindor Tower was accused of being prudes literally just because they were responsible with their smut and how you could access it
That's basically the only one of these sites I wasn't able to break into as a teen, I was so mad at the time 🤣 Now I'm just grateful parents are more aware than they were in 2005
@@clsisman They aren’t 😢 AO3 made adult content accesible to teens in the 2010s, I was one of them and ended up reading soo many smut and freaky shit I shouldn’t be reading at that time
@@clsisman i think you two are talking about two different things kljghdslfg yes parents are more aware but site owners are more careless. hell i remember when a03 allowed smut of real child actors a while back so yeah it's still a problem.
Minor point of clarification: “wank” is British slang for masturbation. “Fandom Wank” or “fanwank” was coined as basically referring to behavior that could be described as masturbatory, be it in the sense of being self-aggrandizing, navel-gazing, or just generally placing far greater importance on online fandom than could be considered healthy. And (at least in the mid 00’s Transformers fandom where I cut my teeth on internet discourse) had a double meaning of applying to moments in official media specifically catered to fans. IE: moments that could be described as either making fans “wank” or the creators “wanking” for the fandom.
Was looking to see if someone had posted this. Not 100% sure when it started to cross over as a term used in fandom but I do remember seeing/using it on the Spacebattles forums at least as early as 2003, possibly earlier.
Tbh her story about getting fired over fanfic is even more #thathappened than all the rest of her antics. Fanfic had been expanding on the internet for awhile by then on message boards and fan sites and stuff, so it had a bit more public exposure than in the ultra-niche fanzine days, but I feel like unless someone was really deep into fandom, it just wasn’t part of their consciousness. In 2003, the level of explanation required from journalists would have been pretty extensive and I still feel like the public response would have been shrugs and confusion rather than righteous indignation. I was pretty young at the time so maybe my perception is skewed, but I just don’t see the average person in 2003 understanding the fandom ecosystem enough to care.
I like how Ms. Scribe rhetorically asks "Who could possibly be concerned about their child's sexual orientation at eighteen months old" after having just written the world's fakest fake story about her one year old kissing another one year old on the lips repeatedly, and deriving entertainment from it.
I was just about to comment the same thing lmaooo She was so focused on snarking an imaginary homophobe, that she didn’t realize talking about two toddlers mouth kissing in the way she does is fucking weird in general lmao
Honestly, that story was really kind of creepy to me. It’s not okay that the Christian mom was being homophobic about a young kid, but I also think it’s legitimate to be a little concerned if your one year old is constantly kissing ANY other kids on the lips. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything bad is happening, but it’s definitely worth making sure your kid hasn’t been hurt by anyone, and it’s also a good idea to try to explain to her that she shouldn’t do that too much as casual behavior, cause it could upset other kids.
I can't imagine feeling this strongly about harry potter full stop 😅 I was a vampirates kid. Elite kids book series. Even at like 12 years old I found HP boring, badly written, and lacklustre in comparison and I somehow missed the whole HP cultural craze so I was VERY surprised to learn just how in their feelings ppl were about it. Like I vividly remember being in my local library, holding my Blood Captain book, and thinking "harry potter isn't even good though...." Now I'm an adult and learning abt all the insane Internet drama that went down while I was happily drawing Darcy Flotsam in my secondary school jotter
@@mchjsosde they are! Its exactly what it sounds like haha. But it has some legitimately cool worldbuilding, like it's set way way in the future when global warming has destroyed a lot of the infrastructure and created mass flooding, which has created new seas and produced massive storms, and all of these things have made people go back to wooden ships. No computers for the insane atmospheric conditions to mess up! And there's vampires 😂 but they're genuinely scary at times (even the nice ones!) and their creature design is really good, perfect balance of established vampire lore and new interesting ideas. The characters are amazing too. Darcy Flotsam is a vampire, but she's also the vampire ship's figurehead by day, just as an example haha So yeah. To me, HP always felt like untrusted white bread in comparison haha
I need you to know that 'wank' is British for 'masturbate'. I need you to understand that calling a news source 'Fandom Wank' is essentially a more subtle way of calling it 'Followers Circlejerk', and that I wake up every day crying because of this fact.
Finally. Somebody said it. I'm either very British or incredibly immature, but I couldn't help but giggle a bit every time she said "wank". If they really did mean it as a slang term for cringing or whatever, please tell me they knew...
oh no lol that's the entire point of the word: everybody getting hot under the collar about things that ultimately, are unproductive and self-pleasuring. You're welcome.
All of these people were adults! They had jobs and spouses and children, and chose to spend their presumably limited free time doing this! I'm an adult, and yes I do spend a lot of time in fandom activity, but around the age of 25 I developed a severe allergic reaction to fandom drama and now largely ignore it because I have like. Real problems.
Idk why kids have such a bad reputation.. every single one of the largest dramas on the internet that I've seen have all been from people over the age of 25
@@pinguufuuuu I've seen stuff that was started by kids, but then adults got involved and it got dragged out into a much worse and longer-lasting drama. These people must have too much free time
@@nowandaround312 personally i have never seen that. i've seen kids make like.. dumb, troll-y comments but thats as much as i've ever seen. especially on stan twitter. its always the adults that start the most ridiculous drama imo.
As awesome as it is that Discord sponsored you, this video should have been sponsored by a VPN company. “She traced multiple accounts back to the same IP address. If they had have used our sponsor *VPN company,* they never would have been found out… at least not like this.”
@@transsexual_computer_faery no of course not, this was more a joke about how True Crime UA-camrs do sponsorships, because that’s what they absolutely would have done.
There's no way he knows a thing about this! Misscribe never had any connection to Joe Biden. She definitely never worked for him. She was just lying about having an exciting job in politics because she thought it that made her look cool and impressive, and she also happens to be from Delaware. Pure coincidence. If he lived in California, Dianne Feinstein would have been the Senator who's office she was invaluable to while also working as backup singer and being a mom and spending 18 hours a day online!
@@sandpiperr some could have said “excuse me, Joe Biden? There’s this woman named Dione [insert last name] who is saying that she works for you. Is this true, because we can’t find her anywhere on the payroll.”
The fact that a forum calling itself "Harry Potter for GROWNUPS", literally to differentiate themselves from kids, split because of childish drama is *chef kiss*
@@chewnotchw3 the worst ones are the ones who were so desperate to convince people that MLP is for adult men that they chased women and children out of the fandom
@@feykingjulian I mean her real name is out there, iirc she has a public facebook. And I find it hard to believe someone like her could stay out of fandom lol.
HP fandom lore is so dense and messy - snapewives, my immortal, cassandra clare repackaging a ron/ginny incest fanfic, ‘methods of rationality’ and that weird organization- it’s so messy, I love 😂😂
She would have been caught immediately (or at least sooner than how it was in livejournal) for the sock puppet accounts. People have become more experienced about these kind of stuff than how it was in those times
Yeah, I mean come on man, it's a fictional story and the fanfics are fictional not-real stories of said story, it really isn't serious at all, super chronically online behaviour.
At least from my memory of the era, writing purple was popular as a way of showing you were older or more experienced. Over time it got less prestigious and more a source of mockery.
God this was so weird to watch because someone who I was in a psych ward with was one of the people involved in this whole community and she explained it to me because she noticed I liked The Mortal Instruments. This is wild
as someone who's also been in a psych ward, please understand this comes from a place of love I AM LAUGHING MY A$$ OFF ABOUT THIS COMMENT IT'S SO FITTING
Seriously I hope she never finds any of the weird shit her mom wrote about her, fake or not it’s straight up disturbing to read about literal toddlers “going at it”
The Clairaissance is very weird to me tbh. I keep forgetting that there is a whole generation on the internet now that have no reference for Draco's leather pants :')
@@merrittanimation7721 there really isnt. i was looking for a book to buy my brother for christmas last year and saw a cool cover on the shelf, picked it up and, lo and behold, its Cassandra Clare. then, just a few days ago, i bought myself a book (some random YA urban fantasy i've never heard of before) and it was fucking _dedicated_ to her
The fact that a middle aged Harry Potter fanfic loving neo-na≠i Christian housewife is something that actually sounds halfway possible nowadays is just bonkers
@@clownball3457 yeah, poor wording on my part, for some reason I said, “sounds halfway plausible nowadays”, when what I wanted to, or at least should’ve said is, “sounds 100% plausible nowadays and for all I know is probably a full fledged niche trend on some godforsaken corner of the internet that I’m glad to be currently unaware of”
I'm old and I remember all this. Even all these years later I still have a suspicion that Ms.Scribe dipped her toes in the online Lord of the Rings fandom (which, ironically is where I actually knew Cassandra Clare from, who back then was known as Cassie Claire.) There are two online personas I thought then were Ms. Scribe. One was supposedly a woman from Chicago who definitely 100% was pregnant by a very definitely real person who very definitely was directly involved with the production of Peter Jackson's LoTR movies; the other who was said to be a young woman from somewhere in Germany who was very definitely being cyber bullied and later IRL stalked by a man who was angry that she wrote LoTR fanfic which 'reflected badly on the purity of Tolkien's work.' (????) I have no proof that these people were indeed Ms.Scribe but the MO, the methods and the tactics they employed were absolutely exactly the same as Ms. Scribe. It is also, possible/plausible that this person (people) saw how successfully these tactics worked to gain attention/pot stir and adapted them; but I do still wonder: Ms.Scribe dat you with pointy ears or nah? Yes, we are all now almost 50 and all this is hilariously ridiculous now; and honestly was then. I found it side splittingly funny at 25 and I still do at *cough* nearly 50.
Oh my god... that is absolutely amazing. I hope that was her because that would just be the icing of top of this whole cake. Also, I know you probably won't see this reply (since it's been months since your comment), but if you do, did either of these batshit people write fanfic (that you know of)? I think regardless of whether or whether not they were indeed Mscribe it would be great to know that people who made claims like that wrote fic (even though it would likely be lost to time).
In the context of fanfic, I'm surprised how the storyline of "Alpha and Omega" deviated so wildly from what I initially expected and then somehow got right back on that same road in the end. What a journey
@@Sb_747 oh my god are there any video essays about that, cause that’s something I want to see. I’ve never thought about how abo first came to be but now I’m dying to know
Just the fact that *Cassandra Clare* is interwined into this *HARRY POTTER FANFICTION DRAMA* is insanely hilarious. THAT SHE GOT BANNED OFF OF A POPULAR FANFIC WEBSITE FOR *PLAGERISM.* The fact that she is now a popular *published author* is BONKERS. 😃
A lot of trashy YA novel writers become famous through a following they accrued writing trashy fanfic. Their actual novels that they’re famous for is never really “good”.
@@anomienormie8126 actually really enjoyed mortal instruments and some of her other work but I guess we all like different stuff. Edit: I realise I was thinking about the wrong series 🤦♀️ I do not like mortal instruments
I'm old enough I ONLY think of her as someone who lifted quips from Black Adder and Buffy for her trashy Harry Potter fanfiction, and can't believe she got published
The lesson here, kids, is if you wanna make an empire of absurd and crazy sock puppets, be sure to do it in a fandom full of actual absurd and crazy people.
I don't interact really with the fandoms I'm in so I've never actually seen this but just by concept I think it's incredibly stupid, I mean, it's fictional characters, respect the canon relationships but like I said, it's fictional so you can go crazy with all the characters and relationships, not like it's hurting anybody. I guess I do see how it would be fun to discuss which characters would go together better but yeah, I don't see how that would progress into actual arguments but hey, with any group there's gonna be... unstable people in them too.
@@poppythedogofwonders Sometimes the ships got pretty fucked up tho. Like Snape x Hermione with people who were drawing child Emma Watson kissing Alan Rickman. I'm not gonna attack anyone for shipping them, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disturbed by it.
@@tychopanda Piping hot take but fictional or not depicting a minor in a romantic relationship with an adult is never okay. And all this ship and let ship bs is a part of what makes it so easy for predators to target kids. ESPECIALLY in fandoms centered around children's media.
@@prixe12 Sanitizing the entire internet of content that you find objectionable might make you feel better, but it doesn't actually protect kids. People will ill intent use whatever means available and isn't specific to whatever ship you personally don't like. Even if you got rid of every "not okay" ship, dangerous people would exist and target kids. If you really care about protecting kids online focus on creating safe spaces for kids (something that doesn't really exist anymore) or on apps like tiktok where kids are posting their faces, locations, names ect. Coming after fictional relationships is so silly.
I remember reading Fandom Wank around this time. FW haaaaaated Cassie Clare. Her cult was the embodiment of the easily butthurt, criticism-averse, tantruming young fanfic writers who provided so much material for the group. Ms. Scribe’s takedown was a big event in the group, but I skipped most of it. It was so complex that I couldn’t follow it. Thanks for explaining it to me 20 years later.
Thanks for posting this because I KNOW I read and saw a lot about these folks back in the day, but I didn't know where, cause I wasn't a fan. But I did read a lot of FW! Now I remember it came up constantly there.
Oh no, Msscribe got pretty significant backlash for Charitygate, where she was a lot of anonymous comments on Fandom Wank saying a lot of horrible stuff about a woman with debilitating cancer. They didn't know she was all of those anon comments, but she was mask-off saying some of that too, and it really turned a lot of people off of her.
I'm not entirely sure what kind of "punishment" could be inflicted for internet drama? Ms. Scribe was run out of the fandom and lost all her friends, that's the only kind of consequence that could possibly happen to her. They were shitty people, sure, but there's no law against being an asshole nor is there an omnipotent internet police who could enforce any kind of punishment on them.
God getting internet access as a 12 year old in 2012 n being on tumblr etc in the wake of all this type of thing then finding out the lore years later makes me feel like some post apocalyptic archaeologist
Right ?! I found this site and attempted to make an account but got bored because twelve-year-old me didn't know how to do it. Funny to think this was going on just a few pages away
I worked with a girl who wrote spicy HP fan fiction. She ended up getting sacked because she wouldn’t stop writing during work hours. The whole scenario was bizarre.
I definitely failed a number of classes in middle/high school because of my obsessive fanfic reading. turns out getting my depression and adhd diagnosed and medicated helped a lot
wow that’s freaking wild actually. i’ve never heard of porn addiction manifesting in such a way. or maladaptive day dreaming if it wasn’t,,, spicy material
when i was a wee baby child some verizon worker gave me a lecture about not subscribing to things bc it'll cost my parents money, and me being a child, did not know youtube subscriptions were free. i've had an irrational fear of subscribing to yt channels ever since, even while knowing they're free. i got over my fear today. congratulations, father strange, you are the first youtuber i have subbed to in about a decade. #inspirational #notclickbait #truestory ok but seriously i really want to hear you read my immortal so im helping in any way i can
"it seems people can't forget things that happened nearly two years ago (Jeff)" is so fucking funny for some reason. Jeff is probably my favourite part of this story
@@Lilithksheh7723 The guy who decided to start a harassment campaign on his wife's behalf over Harry Potter fanfic drama. Eldena Doublecast did a long video about Ms Scribe a while back; "Jeff the Wife Guy" was their name for him.
this is actually crazy because at the last yallfest (book festival) someone asked cassandra in a panel about her start of writing fanfiction to now and she completely denied it in front of the whole audience that she never wrote fanfic and made the young teen asking the question feel bad lol
I mean i suppose given the weird events that transpired around Mrs. Cassandra it does make sense she'd want to deny it? Like, it's pretty common for writers these days to cut their teeth on fanfic, but usually it's pretty low-key. I write fanficiton, but nobody reads it so it's not like it links me to years-old stupid behavior
okay but if you read my immortal on stream, please consider that every time a new outfit is talked about, you are contractually obligated by the universe to take an intermission, dig out the old recreated outfits you did that one video, then continue reading as if nothing happened.
The blatant homophobia of early internet fandom (puppeteered or otherwise) never fails to shock me, probably just because I joined my first fandom at the tail-end of the 'slash warning' era. It's weird to think the thing that's now a staple of internet fandom culture was considered controversial under a decade ago.
And now antis have reinvented it by calling women and queer people fetishists and fujoshis for writing slash. Literal radfem rhetoric and antis think they're the good guys...
@TheAngryHolmesian careful with the word anti bc it can mean a lot of different things. (I was in the osomatsusan fandom so anti always meant anti-incest, not anti-gay or anti-whatever)
@@theangryholmesian4556 I don’t care for people actually fetishizing queer ships but seriously, sometimes people just apply it to any and everything that happens to be queer ships, even when it’s well done or even canon!
@@theangryholmesian4556 straight women DO have to be careful not to fetishise the mlm ship they stan/write for…. fujoshis r called that bc they exhibit the applicable behaviour.. no regular straight woman who ships mlm to a normal degree is gonna have that as a serious allegation held against her
When I hear both "Arabella" and "Clarabella" so close together, my brain immediately assumes that there must be a jealous, antagonistic "Blarabella" somewhere in the shadows. I blame Project A-Ko for doing this to me
@@sit-insforsithis1568 it’s a real game! the original only has catherine and katherine but they made a remaster called catherine full body with the addition of qatherine.
Working at a bookstore and watching Cassandra Clare creep her murky tendrils out over three and sometimes four shelves worth of identical material was so depressing
Slight correction!!! Cassandra clare did not republish her joke ron/ginny fic Mortal Instruments as a book series. She published her draco trilogy as a book series and then gave it the name of her joke ron/ginny fic
That's not true either. Her Draco fic was very different from The Mortal Instruments series, the two are not much alike plotwise. She did reuse names, characters and concepts here and there, and she did publish the latter on the wave of her popularity, that much is true.
She's actually really good at writing in different voices. Most people have a writing style and even when you're trying to be someone else there will be idiosyncrasies that you can't shake but her different sock puppets all sound kinda different. That's commitment.
Funny thing is, if she had played it off as just one big elaborate writing project, I'd bet there would be people who sided with her to this day... (Not to say what she did was justifiable, she like spread a bunch of hateful messages even if she wasn't writing as herself and slandered a lot of people in the process)
It makes me wonder if her fanfic was all that mid if she could successfully pull off being more than six people at the same time. Like you can tell it's rage bait, esp the Christian zealots one but you can tell them apart too
@@tarotsushima3332 I read some of it back in the day (I was newly of smut-reading age at the tail end of all this) and her fic is decent but forgettable. There was nothing that stuck with you or made you think about the characters in a different way, nothing that really contributed to the zeitgeist like Cassandra Clare’s stuff did. I think Lennox summed it up pretty well by saying that she had good grammar and spelling that set her apart from other writers, but otherwise she was a better blogger than fanfic author.
Please do a Cassandra Clare deep dive. It’s amazing how many people have no idea about all the shit she’s been involved in and done (and potentially continues to do).
GOD I remember ALL OF THIS. I was like 16 to 20 or so when all of this was in its heyday, and hearing you say "BNF" made me grin because I've been told I was considered a BNF in that fandom back then. I was just in the fanart portion, not fic writing. I ran _The Chamber of Keys,_ which was my dedicated HP fanart site. I was best known for my Marauders art, particularly my design of Sirius Black that I created long before he was finally described in detail in the later books. I also posted my work on _Artistic Alley._ I also did a LOT of fanart for Lori Summer's _Paradigm of Uncertainty_ series and Siriologist's _Sirius Affair_ series, both of which were hosted on the same Yahoo!Group as Cassandra's _Draco_ fics although I never got into them. Siriologist actually furnished my first apartment because when I moved to Florida for college, she was only 25 minutes away and sold me a bunch of furniture for dirt cheap because we had become friends. I've lost touch with her since then (I graduated from college 15 years ago so it's been a minute), but she was such a sweetheart! But holy god was that fandom ever _wild._ Edited to add PORTKEY . ORG OH MY GOD. The creator of that site used MY WORK as part of the structure of the site in exchange for hosting _Chamber of Keys_ and _Kristin's Studio_ (my site for the rest of my work and portfolio) on his server for free! This video is taking me back, _wow._ lmao
"Titled... MORTAL INSTRUMENTS." I screameddd I consider myself a fandom/tumblr veteran and this is the first thing in YEARS to actually shOCK me omg I. DID. NOT. KNOW. THAT. omg omg omg
I remember knowing who she was when that series came out, although at that time I was young enough that I'd only read her Draco series and didn't know anything else that had happened. I can't imagine finding out this way, it must be an absolute brick to the face.
Personally I think Ms. Scribe still out there. I just don't think someone who went through as much effort as she did would just give up. I mean having her reputation plummet like that would be pretty demoralizing, but this woman has a thirst for drama beyond human comprehension. I mean who knows maybe she started Q anon
The gut punch about this isn't that you said Ms. Scribe could be QAnon… It's how *fucking plausible* it is. Right down to her preference in demographics to troll. QAnon as a Ms. Scribe PsyOps, a ScribeOps if you will, actually would explain a lot.
FYI, I can attest from personal experience that nothing pissed off Fandom Wank members more than pointing out how much they indulged in exactly the behavior they trashed other people for. Wow, that really set them off. It was hilarious.
No 50yrold can keep up with tiktok not even with a teen daughter, their brains aren't trained from toddlerhood to speed through endless media feeds, she lives on Pinterest and facebook and is mentally stuck in 2007 like the other 50yrolds
I was so invested in the interpersonal drama that I forgot what Cassandra Clare is irl famous for and the reality of Mortal Instruments slapped me upside the skull. Jesus, all these people are a grand ol' mess.
I think one of the most interesting things about this whole debacle is that GT were apparently *never* the instigators. Clare and Scribe both sought our things they didn’t like, so they could get mad at it. Then, they made the other side out to be the bad guys. It’s kind of wild how much they *really* wanted that negative, flaming attention.
"Actually that was my friend Clara on my computer" is an excuse that dates all the way back to 2006 i see. But since 2006 is basically medieval times, it was Clarabella instead of Clara
The whiplash I got going to check the comments at the start of the video and seeing this as the topic comment! What the ham heck did this lady write??!!
It sounds like something that would happen in canon, but as an implied backstory. Like the fact that there are canonically half-human, half-house elves..
wild to think MsScribe's infant daughter is now herself an adult. I wonder if she knows about her mom's fandom shenanigans. It's so fascinating to me as the internet gets older to think that some of today's young adults have parents who were just doing the weirdest stuff on the internet 20+ years ago.
@@sjie1874 Not even he would go that far pretending to have a ruitine daughter in that detail, or that she goe to school there, without having a daughter to come up with it.
@@sjie1874 so the child is mentioned in her first days of posting when her real name was connected. The thought is that she likely started out more genuine and then once online realized she could be anyone and say anything. Thus spiraled from there. I site this case all the time when people talk about online drama I’m like are we sure any of this is real??
I don't know if the daughter knows about the fandom drama her mom was involved, but she'll probably have the same attitude most kids have towards their parents' weird antics from before they were born: somewhere between embarrassment and apathy. It's like learning about your mom's highschool beef or something.
as someone who isnt yet jaded by these kinds of stories, the sentence 'they were very much the hot popular girls of 2000s Harry potter smut' is absolutely insane to me
Sockpuppet accounts are personally my favorite type of internet fuckery. It's just so much fun and so satisfying to rip off the goofy Scooby-Doo mask and reveal that the haters/trolls were actually OP all along! There is something so fascinating about people who are so dedicated to this internet discourse/drama that they are willing to publicly argue with themselves through the use of alt accounts. I'm not a psychologist by any means so I can't even BEGIN to unpack the implications of that type of online behavior, but I love it.
For those who weren't around during the height of the Harry Potter fandom, there were literal bands that only wrote/performed Harry Potter themed songs. And not like based of the movie soundtracks. These were indie rock, twee bands writing songs solely about Harry Potter. And they were well known within the fandom. They played at book release parties in Borders. The Harry Potter fandom was huge. There's a reason why it still hasn't died after...oh, god, I'm not even going to do the math, I already feel old enough explaining things from my teen years like a grandma explaining what it was like during WWII. Edit: for everyone dying of nostalgia in the replies, Google the album cover for the Parslemouths' "Sssss". It's just a pure hit of early 2000s nostalgia even if you didn't listen to them lol
If I had a nickel for every video essay on Miss Scribe made by an online lesbian, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Eh. Depends on which book it's set in, the characters age as the books progress, they end up 17-18 by the later books but to play devil's advocate, they are fictional, not-real characters so it doesn't really matter too much... though I still think it's... _Sus._
@@error-try-again-later Uh, no. Cassie Claire was established as a BNF, Gryffindor's Tower, Sugar Quill and the other major fic sites she mentions were all established before *any* of the movies had been released, and while the books were up to Goblet of Fire/Order of the Phoenix when all of this was going down (most of it happened between the publication dates for those two books) the second movie had just been released. It was *very* much a book fandom and I know that a *ton* of people in the fandom hadn't bothered to watch them - I didn't see any of them until 2004 when POA came out, and I didn't go back and watch the first two until years after that. I still haven't seen the last three, and at this point I almost certainly never will. I know it's weird for people who grew up with the movies to *not* picture the cast when they think of the characters, but the fandom was already incredibly massive by the time filming even started and none of us had those actors as any kind of frame of reference. The vast, vast, vast majority of fic being written in those days was either futurefic or stuff set around the same general time as the Order of the Phoenix, and all kinds of people were used in fancasts or "this is who my Harry looks like" things - like, iirc there was an Irish actor who got used for Ron a lot, but fuck if I can remember his name.
@@bunnymcfoo8650spending pages justifying child smut dancing around the fact that the first two movies had absolutely been released when all of this went down. Even if someone in the scene had purposefully not watched the films, it would have been VERY hard to have never seen images or trailers from these movies featuring twelve year olds. Nobody’s going to arrest you, just admit it’s a bit weird 😂
The fact that the main person who did the sleuthing to uncover all this mess was called Angua9 is just magical, honestly. Truly the best werewolf policeman
it's all so weird knowing that all of this crazy internet drama went down when I was a full toddler , like it's just a funny reminder that weirdos have been having weirdo internet fights for so long
Literally same. I’m a 2000s baby so I was 2-3 while this was happening. And now I’m 23 and practically the same shit happened with Creepyshow art. The cycle continues
Yes! I remember liking GT back in the day. I was really young when I got into fandom stuff and was grateful that they were more kid-friendly. When I got a little older I was shocked that the broader fandom directed so much rage at them for (checks notes) trying to be welcoming to children who were fans of a children’s book. I didn’t spend much time there before it imploded but a lot of the stuff I read was pretty good (according to preteen me, anyway) and I never got the impression that they were homophobic, quite the opposite. They weren’t pro-Drarry obviously, but a lot of them really liked Remus/Sirius. Granted, my memories of the various fanfic sites are a little muddled and I’m not 100% sure that this was GT, but I remember reading a fluffy PG Harry/Ginny fic on there with Remus/Sirius as a background couple. It’s still really hard to find kid-friendly fic featuring gay pairings and I really loved that story. I’ve looked a few times to see if the author posted it anywhere else but I’ve never been able to find it. I feel so bad for all the writers on there who had nothing to do with any of the drama and were left without a community when GT went down, bc I can’t imagine they felt comfortable on the other sites after everything that happened.
@@alissapenridge7516 THIS!!! And you know that even after the whole thing was revealed if anybody said that they were even remotely involved with GT they still would have been attacked
The ex-GT members had the last laugh when Harry/Ginny became canon! It's not only that Harry and Ginny are compatible, it's that it's a form of karmic justice against everyone who abused them...
But wait, what was her husband's financial situation? Was he rich or... What was his job? I think it's unfair to leave out vital information like that.
Strange videos always give me the most unique nostalgia. This gives off the same vibes as early 2010’s tumblr, watching your mutual, mutuals, mutual entire community implode over something that you’re vaguely aware of. Constantly chaos adjacent
imagine living your best girlboss life and then finding out that once upon a time grandma made intense sock puppet accounts to become popular in the Harry potter fandom on live journal and friends with Cassandra Clare who wrote ron/ginny incest fics or don't, probably don't.
What's always fascinated me about this saga is how she kept track of all the sock puppets. I can barely remember 2 different login detail at any given point.
Her constantly bringing up her rich lawyer boyfriend really reminded me of a certain man's very real weed smoking girlfriends..........
smorking*
I don't know what you're implying, the weed smorking girlfriends are a 100% true story.
Dude? Don't knock his three very real weed smorking girlfriends????
It's called a bunt, not weed.
"This is my husband, and yes, he's a lawyer"
All her stories were very much “ and everyone clapped” but the people clapping were her puppet accounts.
And everyone clapped. *sounds of hands muffled by cloth socks slapping together enthusiastically*
Everybody clapped but she is everybody, and we are her, and she is us
Everyone clapped while they heard a mysterious ticking noise
theres having one or two sockpuppets, and then theres putting on an entire puppet show
This is quite a mental image 😂
All this talk about IP addresses made me remember that time I was playing a game with some guy and he sent my my IP address. I wasn't intimidated at all not because I'm cool or brave but because I don't know what my IP address is. Thus began 20 minutes of him frustratedly walking me through how to look up my IP address so he could prove he'd hacked me, by which time any threat or intimidation had worn off so he gave up and we continued playing
I’m laughing with tears at this for 10 minutes straight, thank you for this marvellous story!!!
Chad
"this is your wallet"
" *No it isn't* "
That’s fucking amazing lmfao
Thats so funny omg
Maybe the abuse survivor from Pakistan was hivliving
PLEASEEEEEE
Same thought
Spoilers!
Mukta would never 😢
@@DoubleDDragon😊
As a gay, “Harry is a noble character and you have made him into a f**” is possibly the funniest comment I have ever read with my own two eyes
I’m sorry but I find the words “as a gay” funny. like not “as a gay man” or “as a gay woman” no just “as a gay.” And I just find that kind of funny
@@pqcowboychanel We have the gay
Send us many rainbows and cute boys / girls / etc
not your own two Christian eyes 👀
Hi gay. Happy pride month 😊
as a homophone i agree
Ms. Scribe is the MOST livejournal name ever. And I just know she used "alas" a lot in her posts. Edit: and there it is.
This is so specific but true 😭
I never used Livejournal I was too young but somehow I know exactly what you mean and you're so right
And alas; op was correct
@@eyeballjay there is a type of pretentious 00's post-college type that thinks they are very cultured and quirky and talk way too much to barnes and noble employees. these people are all that.
That one fanfic I read had a long ass note about how the writer had a literature degree, and so the writing could only be good, fact is, the shit was mediocre quality and wayyy to verbose to be actually enjoyable. Turns out, abusing big words is kinka a red flag for shitty writing
In the daycare story, half expected you to end with ‘and that little girl…was me’
It's true, I was the daycare worker
'And everyone started clapping'
@@kismetr1795 All the infants stood up and clapped. It was a miracle.
@@SuperSisby it's true, I was all of the infants
@@li_ka2 ALL OF THE INFANTS
I feel like it gets overlooked a lot that she seemingly searched for a random photo of an "ugly" woman to use as an avatar for her made up hater. That's super gross.
I wonder if it was someone Ms Scribe knew irl, I don't think it's ever been established who they actually were (hopefully they never knew someone user their picture for PottersGinny...
@@VaatiOfDarkness I feel like she probably went on a hunt through a bunch of Christian forums to find a picture
Honestly my first thought was that that picture looked like a more round faced Michelle Duggar
Imagine being that lady and finding out that people not only made fun of your looks, but that someone used your pictures to spew anti-miscegenation and racist rhetoric.
And now weirdo trools on twitter use pics of ugly people to say hateful things knowing others will attack the person in the pfp for their looks. She was the original troll. Talk about girlboss.
It's honestly so funny that Cassandra Clare was so disgusted by taboo stuff in the harry/ginny fanfic, yet proceeded to make potential incest a huge plot point in her stories
it's hilariously buckwild to me that a not-insignificant portion of harry potter fans at that time shipped harry and hermione, wanted ron and ginny out of the way so their ship could be together, and decided the only way to achieve that...was incest
sometimes people actually are disgusted by the very things that they are drawn to... or drawn to them because they are disgusted by them. who knows what it is in this case, but i also thought it was pretty funny.
‘Potential’ incest.
The first story she wrote called ‘the mortal instruments’ was literally a Ginny/Ron fanfic. It’s plain incest.
yeah, i really have to wonder how much time passed between the disgust at the teen pregnancy fic and her writing the ron/ginny sex fic
Technically she only did that once.
"her methods were dubious but oh sweaty did she girlboss" completely brand new sentence. absolutely never been said before.
Mmm, what a scrumptiously uncomfy sentence.
Me to my future grandchildren.
It felt like I got an aneurysm from reading that sentence.
Poetry
well, not anymore, since i'm stealing it for my own personal use.
after all that insanity I realized she has a kid who's like. 20ish now. I'm so curious if they have any idea what their mother was doing in her free time.
Can you imagine she could have like grandchildren now? "Sit by the fire child, I'm going to tell you the tales of my youth"
Honestly, given that she parlayed her free time into being an impressively wealthy author, as a kid I’d pick and choose my battles on what to turn my nose up about.
If her kids are into fandom there is even a chance one of 'em watched this video. imagine if they don't know. not fully. maybe only that mom was part of fandom culture like what if they said "mom come here, i gotta tell you about this insane fandom story!"
@@TheRonnieaj Wait, Ms.Scribe became a wealthy author?
@@TheRonnieaj shes an author now??
The part that gets me the most is that Ms. Scribe went so hard after Gryffindor Tower for being "prudes" because they kept their NSFW content hidden, rather than going after Sugar Quill, who just straight up didn't allow X-rated fic on their site.
I think a big part of it was also the fact that nobody really knew who anybody at Gryffindor Tower was. A lot of the people that MS wanted to be friends with had old connections to a lot of the Sugar Quill mods, meaning that if she started going after them a LOT more people would have decided to stay neutral. By targeting the smaller, more defenceless GT, she basically guaranteed herself support (especially because they already had a pretty bad reputation after Jeff)
Was she jealous of their user count or something?
@@allanturmaine5496 No. GT only allowed Ginny/Harry fics. GT mods and Sugar Quill mods were friendly for the most part. GT didn't host explicit slash. Sugar Quill allowed Remus/Sirius, but only if it was PG. A lot of MS's disparagement of GT was because they wouldn't host slash. That's why so many of her sock puppets were over-the-top Christian and gay-hating.
@@authenticpoppy thanks for the perspective!
@@authenticpoppy
But if GT existed specifically to host Harry/ Ginny fics, why did MS get mad that they didn’t host slash? (Which is like gay nsfw fics I think)
this story makes me super duper thankful for ao3's filtering system
JFYI actually some of the people who was the mods in Gryffindor Tower are the creators of AO3
@@LiNestHetalia The more you know! Thanks for that piece of fandom history.
Or, more importantly, the lack of a social media aspect to it. The amount of times I ended up learning months/years later that apparently a massive shipwar had taken place in my fandoms (that I had completely missed because all I did was read fics on AO3) is surprisingly large 😆
@@LiNestHetalia pretty sure heidi was also involved in AO3's founding which... yeah.
@@sleepysera
Honestly same lol I like to remain ignorant of the drama and live in my own little world where all faves are alive and well and my ships have sailed.
Ms. Scribe walked so Creepshow Art could run
THE ACCURACY THO
HELP
my exact thoughts
Maybe Shannon was Ms Scribe's daughter LMFAO
@@taursula 😭 that's some nightmare fuel lmao
The funniest part of this is knowing these women are probably around my mom's age, and just imagining MY MOM in like 2003 insulting someone's Harry/Ginny fanfiction. i am cryinnnnggggg
Me too lmao I'm gonna ask her if she knows about any of this the next time I see her since she was obsessed with Harry Potter when I was younger
Just remember, the concept and practice of Fandom comes from the middle-aged women who were obsessed with Star Trek in the 60s. These ladies were just doing what /their moms/ did.
The baby who was allegedly kissing a same sex baby was a year and a half old in the Summer of 2002 and is therefore now a full grown 22 year old who has to live knowing her mom is this cringe.
This made me realize that my mom is at most a year or something from Ms.scribe's current age HELP
"Not now sweetie, Mommy is cyberbullying"
girl in the dan and phil fandom pretended to be pregnant for 9 months to all her big name fan friends , made dan and phil partake in her public gender reveal only to be revealed to have been FAKING the entire thing and then she disappeared completely and ghosted all her close irl big name fan feiwnds and 10s of thousands of followers
Oh my god I forgot about that
I’ve been in the phandom for 11 years - how is this the first I’ve heard the whole story? 😮
what should i google to learn more about this? holy shit
Wtf what do I search to learn more about this???
@@confusedaf1112laniefalls has a video on it
I’m not gonna lie this needs to be a HBO miniseries with preferably Jennifer Coolidge playing Ms Scribe cos why not
lmfaoooo
no ms scribe is biracial
msscribe is half jennifer coolidge’s age and a different race and i would still eat that shit up
In that case, Coolidge can play Cassandra Clare
Ms Scribe is black, tho.
tbh would love for “friend of fermatojam” to become the new way to reference obvious fake/sockpuppet accounts like how we used to use “friend of Dorothy”
Friend of Dorothy: gay
Friend of Fermatojam: homophobic
@@justsomerandompersononthei1773 glorious.
@@justsomerandompersononthei1773
You just see someone going on about how weird/uncomfortable it makes them that the writer of the fic headcanons some characters as gay/in a relationship and go “is he… you know- ✝️????”
What I find funny is that Gryffindor Tower was accused of being prudes literally just because they were responsible with their smut and how you could access it
That's basically the only one of these sites I wasn't able to break into as a teen, I was so mad at the time 🤣 Now I'm just grateful parents are more aware than they were in 2005
@@clsisman They aren’t 😢 AO3 made adult content accesible to teens in the 2010s, I was one of them and ended up reading soo many smut and freaky shit I shouldn’t be reading at that time
@@valen9941 and its still easily accessible now :/
@@valen9941 They are MORE aware, I promise you. My parents didn't even know what the internet is.
@@clsisman i think you two are talking about two different things kljghdslfg yes parents are more aware but site owners are more careless. hell i remember when a03 allowed smut of real child actors a while back so yeah it's still a problem.
Minor point of clarification: “wank” is British slang for masturbation. “Fandom Wank” or “fanwank” was coined as basically referring to behavior that could be described as masturbatory, be it in the sense of being self-aggrandizing, navel-gazing, or just generally placing far greater importance on online fandom than could be considered healthy. And (at least in the mid 00’s Transformers fandom where I cut my teeth on internet discourse) had a double meaning of applying to moments in official media specifically catered to fans. IE: moments that could be described as either making fans “wank” or the creators “wanking” for the fandom.
Was looking to see if someone had posted this. Not 100% sure when it started to cross over as a term used in fandom but I do remember seeing/using it on the Spacebattles forums at least as early as 2003, possibly earlier.
I feel like it's the equivalent to the more recent term 'circlejerk'
@@saffron-rice absolutely.
I Was So Confused When It Was Mentioned
Its a lot like the modern "jerking" communities you see today
Calling someone's boss to tell said boss that their employee writes problematic fanfiction sounds like the most chronically online thing ever
The fact that everyone involved in this was both old enough to vote and get a job makes it even dumber
Tbh her story about getting fired over fanfic is even more #thathappened than all the rest of her antics. Fanfic had been expanding on the internet for awhile by then on message boards and fan sites and stuff, so it had a bit more public exposure than in the ultra-niche fanzine days, but I feel like unless someone was really deep into fandom, it just wasn’t part of their consciousness. In 2003, the level of explanation required from journalists would have been pretty extensive and I still feel like the public response would have been shrugs and confusion rather than righteous indignation. I was pretty young at the time so maybe my perception is skewed, but I just don’t see the average person in 2003 understanding the fandom ecosystem enough to care.
@@tarotsushima3332 People can get a job a 15 and vote at 18 so
@@Baldjotarokujoyes and it is still extremely dumb to act that way at those ages
@@aubreyh1930 Fr
So a bunch of Griffindor Tower Mods are some of the folks who go on to set up AO3 and make fanfiction safe and accessible to all of us. True heroes
Which ones?
Interesting.
Really? I don't know many of the pseuds of the founders, but it does surprise me.
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly this story shows Psueds can be changed. Also the pool of people with the time and the tech knowledge was smaller back then.
@@LizStaples Yeah, obviously. Some of the founders had fairly well-known online personas back then and I'd never linked them to GT.
I like how Ms. Scribe rhetorically asks "Who could possibly be concerned about their child's sexual orientation at eighteen months old" after having just written the world's fakest fake story about her one year old kissing another one year old on the lips repeatedly, and deriving entertainment from it.
I was just about to comment the same thing lmaooo
She was so focused on snarking an imaginary homophobe, that she didn’t realize talking about two toddlers mouth kissing in the way she does is fucking weird in general lmao
Ergh felt shivers reading that
Ah 06. Back when we were unaware of how deep the "zealot Christian mom" rabbit hole goes
Honestly, that story was really kind of creepy to me. It’s not okay that the Christian mom was being homophobic about a young kid, but I also think it’s legitimate to be a little concerned if your one year old is constantly kissing ANY other kids on the lips. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything bad is happening, but it’s definitely worth making sure your kid hasn’t been hurt by anyone, and it’s also a good idea to try to explain to her that she shouldn’t do that too much as casual behavior, cause it could upset other kids.
@@engelberthovel8566 yep, idk much but from what i know, these types of behaviour at young age can be a sign of sexual assault
i can’t imagine ever feeling this strongly about harry/ginny
I can't imagine feeling this strongly about harry potter full stop 😅
I was a vampirates kid. Elite kids book series. Even at like 12 years old I found HP boring, badly written, and lacklustre in comparison and I somehow missed the whole HP cultural craze so I was VERY surprised to learn just how in their feelings ppl were about it. Like I vividly remember being in my local library, holding my Blood Captain book, and thinking "harry potter isn't even good though...." Now I'm an adult and learning abt all the insane Internet drama that went down while I was happily drawing Darcy Flotsam in my secondary school jotter
i honestly cant imagine getting this upset over any ship, like even if i thought they were absolutely perfect for eachother i wouldnt do all of this
@@zoerice4227I've never heard of those books but they sound awesome
@@mchjsosde they are! Its exactly what it sounds like haha. But it has some legitimately cool worldbuilding, like it's set way way in the future when global warming has destroyed a lot of the infrastructure and created mass flooding, which has created new seas and produced massive storms, and all of these things have made people go back to wooden ships. No computers for the insane atmospheric conditions to mess up! And there's vampires 😂 but they're genuinely scary at times (even the nice ones!) and their creature design is really good, perfect balance of established vampire lore and new interesting ideas.
The characters are amazing too. Darcy Flotsam is a vampire, but she's also the vampire ship's figurehead by day, just as an example haha
So yeah. To me, HP always felt like untrusted white bread in comparison haha
i wish i could feel this strongly about stuff that actually mattered to me.
I need you to know that 'wank' is British for 'masturbate'. I need you to understand that calling a news source 'Fandom Wank' is essentially a more subtle way of calling it 'Followers Circlejerk', and that I wake up every day crying because of this fact.
Finally. Somebody said it. I'm either very British or incredibly immature, but I couldn't help but giggle a bit every time she said "wank". If they really did mean it as a slang term for cringing or whatever, please tell me they knew...
oh no lol that's the entire point of the word: everybody getting hot under the collar about things that ultimately, are unproductive and self-pleasuring. You're welcome.
@@destinyborne561 Literally anyone fluent enough in English to be able to hang out in English language online spaces will know what wank means
@@coolsenjoyer Alright, good point. Must just be me being immature then.😁
Is this not common knowledge outside of the UK? I'm in the US, and I definitely knew that
The fact that Ms. Scribe is a real actual human being who is also over the age of 16 feels unreal
All of these people were adults! They had jobs and spouses and children, and chose to spend their presumably limited free time doing this!
I'm an adult, and yes I do spend a lot of time in fandom activity, but around the age of 25 I developed a severe allergic reaction to fandom drama and now largely ignore it because I have like. Real problems.
Idk why kids have such a bad reputation.. every single one of the largest dramas on the internet that I've seen have all been from people over the age of 25
@@pinguufuuuu I've seen stuff that was started by kids, but then adults got involved and it got dragged out into a much worse and longer-lasting drama. These people must have too much free time
@@nowandaround312 personally i have never seen that. i've seen kids make like.. dumb, troll-y comments but thats as much as i've ever seen. especially on stan twitter. its always the adults that start the most ridiculous drama imo.
Nice pfp, monkey ball goated
As awesome as it is that Discord sponsored you, this video should have been sponsored by a VPN company. “She traced multiple accounts back to the same IP address. If they had have used our sponsor *VPN company,* they never would have been found out… at least not like this.”
That would have been really funny lmfao
“ with insert VPN company, you can watch Netflix from multiple different countries and unlock shows unavailable on Netflix in the US”
shouldnt use the ads to condone online harassment tho
@@transsexual_computer_faery no of course not, this was more a joke about how True Crime UA-camrs do sponsorships, because that’s what they absolutely would have done.
@@annahs.channel damn lol that sounds wild
I spent the entire video waiting for the reveal that Ms Scribe WAS Cassandra Clare
Same😂
i still think there was a connection. cc was notoriously litigious because she knew quite a few lawyers.
msscribe's face was known and she would appear in events
Hilarious, but both were established to be two separate IRL people, a distinction not shared between MS and her puppets.
Hearing that Joe Biden might know about this shit hit me like a wrecking ball to the face
"i used to have a friend who was in the Harry Potter community, Jack"
You lying, dog-faced Harmony Shipping Pony Soldier.
How do you think he learned about the third gender?
There's no way he knows a thing about this!
Misscribe never had any connection to Joe Biden. She definitely never worked for him. She was just lying about having an exciting job in politics because she thought it that made her look cool and impressive, and she also happens to be from Delaware.
Pure coincidence. If he lived in California, Dianne Feinstein would have been the Senator who's office she was invaluable to while also working as backup singer and being a mom and spending 18 hours a day online!
@@sandpiperr some could have said “excuse me, Joe Biden? There’s this woman named Dione [insert last name] who is saying that she works for you. Is this true, because we can’t find her anywhere on the payroll.”
The fact that a forum calling itself "Harry Potter for GROWNUPS", literally to differentiate themselves from kids, split because of childish drama is *chef kiss*
Even as adults we still act as children
It reminds me of grown ass man bronies who want to distinguish themselves from children, the target audience, in the MLP fandom
Humans never change.
@@chewnotchw3 the worst ones are the ones who were so desperate to convince people that MLP is for adult men that they chased women and children out of the fandom
They're grown ups not adults
"and soon the babies are going at it in the corner" is certainly one of the most sentences of all time
msscribe would be one hell of a tumblr fake story creator
@@paranormeow i wouldn't be surprised if she wrote the cis bus
Very sentence indeed
@@RinLockhart Please don't ruin it for me....
@@RinLockhart oooh I love your icon
I just love that ‘hey sorry my friend wrote that not me’ is an excuse that dates all the way back to the early noughties
tumblr's HIVliving reading MsScribe's statements and furiously taking notes
that probably goes back to when writing was invented
the funniest part about this is that cassandra clare released a new book the day this was uploaded.
if ms. clare is still out there doing her thing i have to believe ms. scribe is still out there somewhere... i want to believe....
@@feykingjulian I mean her real name is out there, iirc she has a public facebook. And I find it hard to believe someone like her could stay out of fandom lol.
Holy fucking shit. Some people have so little shame I have to believe they're just allergic.
HOW IS SHE STILL GETTING PUBLISHING DEALS?!
Does it have incest in it? I know she's _really_ into that shit.
"wizards for bush" is a much better phrase when you pretend its not about the politician
how has this not got more likes
@@kendalm550 because MsScribe already made that joke
I know, more wizards should dedicate themselves to the genius behind "Running up that hill"
But that band sucks :(((
@@Radio-Friendly-Unit excellent work right here.
HP fandom lore is so dense and messy - snapewives, my immortal, cassandra clare repackaging a ron/ginny incest fanfic, ‘methods of rationality’ and that weird organization- it’s so messy, I love 😂😂
A history book could be written of these crazy tales. They shouldn't be lost to time with dead links to defunct websites and abandoned fanworks. 😔
would love to see a dive into methods of rationality
@@FBH991 I'm not sure if it has enough drama or mystery. It's just a mediocre fic, in general.
@@yeah5895 ye, there's not a lot to say beyond "weird tech libertarian dude rewrites HP book 1, has some neat ideas that don't really go anywhere".
It helps that the HP fandom had a population larger than many countries.
this woman was ahead of her time, she wouldve been a hit on twitter
i imagine she’s popular there rn
She would have been caught immediately (or at least sooner than how it was in livejournal) for the sock puppet accounts. People have become more experienced about these kind of stuff than how it was in those times
I am fully convinced that she eventually ended up in the Voltron fandom. Just based on the turbo drama that ended up going down there.
Honestly that would explain alot about allllll that mess
You're probably right. The Voltron fandom drama was almost nuclear at its height.
never thought i'd hear about anything voltron related in 2023, it brings me joy and terror
I am so interested in Voltron drama. Anybody have any good video essays or even just a few paragraphs about what happened?
@@lyannastarkweather Didn’t they hold the studio hostage?
somehow, I’m one hour in, and this realization finally sunk in: “this is all over a children’s book series”
Yeah, I mean come on man, it's a fictional story and the fanfics are fictional not-real stories of said story, it really isn't serious at all, super chronically online behaviour.
honestly fandoms surrounding media for children are usually the most chaotic (Voltron im looking at you)
I can't get over how formal and dramatic these people wrote.
At least from my memory of the era, writing purple was popular as a way of showing you were older or more experienced. Over time it got less prestigious and more a source of mockery.
@@thebadshave503 I think it also had an early 2010s revival with that very Homestuck-y faux teenage intellectual kind of writing style.
that's fandoms for ya
@@thebadshave503 Yeah, it's almost the complete opposite now. If you write more than two sentence you get told to touch grass.
Reminds me of my diary when I was 11 and thought replacing every word with "indeed" and "therefore" was cool
God this was so weird to watch because someone who I was in a psych ward with was one of the people involved in this whole community and she explained it to me because she noticed I liked The Mortal Instruments. This is wild
i need to hear this psych ward story lmao
H u h, small world I suppose ? I can’t imagine meeting wild fandom people in person honestly
as someone who's also been in a psych ward, please understand this comes from a place of love
I AM LAUGHING MY A$$ OFF ABOUT THIS COMMENT IT'S SO FITTING
@@mer_acle8101having been in one too, holy shit is it ever! Absolutely amazing.
Of course it was a psych ward
Her daughter that she mentioned in several posts would be about 21. I hope she never finds out her mum was Like This.
Wow that's trippy
Me either. 😬
Seriously I hope she never finds any of the weird shit her mom wrote about her, fake or not it’s straight up disturbing to read about literal toddlers “going at it”
absolutely insanity that her daughter is almost the exact same age as me
her daughter and I are the same age, maybe a month difference.
Wherever you are bestie, I hope you're okay
i hope you know "her methods were dubious, but oh sweaty did she girlboss" has made its way into my daily vocabulary
That sounds like something Ashley Norton would say, it’s so good
0:16 "Her Methods were dubious, but oh sweaty did she girl boss" is a sentence that somehow saved my day
She didn't just have a few sock puppet accounts, she had a whole sock puppet theater company.
You make me think of Harley Quinn in an asylum having extended arguments with an entire village of sock puppets.
the HEAVY envolvement of cassandra clare pre-shadow hunters is an amazing out of left field turn imo
man she was involved in everything back then. every corner you turn.
@@meddlesome- There is no escaping Cassandra Claire
The Clairaissance is very weird to me tbh. I keep forgetting that there is a whole generation on the internet now that have no reference for Draco's leather pants :')
@@merrittanimation7721 there really isnt. i was looking for a book to buy my brother for christmas last year and saw a cool cover on the shelf, picked it up and, lo and behold, its Cassandra Clare. then, just a few days ago, i bought myself a book (some random YA urban fantasy i've never heard of before) and it was fucking _dedicated_ to her
@@ps1hagridoufofcharacter That's horrifying
10:00 A fic called "Alpha and Omega" would have a very different plot today.
It could have a very similar plot but it wouldn't be straight, that's for sure
The fact that a middle aged Harry Potter fanfic loving neo-na≠i Christian housewife is something that actually sounds halfway possible nowadays is just bonkers
it's a lot more plausible ever since worshipping harry potter (and moreso its author) became a weird dogwhistle political statement
@@clownball3457 yeah, poor wording on my part, for some reason I said, “sounds halfway plausible nowadays”, when what I wanted to, or at least should’ve said is, “sounds 100% plausible nowadays and for all I know is probably a full fledged niche trend on some godforsaken corner of the internet that I’m glad to be currently unaware of”
@@clownball3457L
Unfortunately I've met like a dozen people in real life that meet that exact description and it's wild every time
Posie Parker is halfway there
I'm old and I remember all this. Even all these years later I still have a suspicion that Ms.Scribe dipped her toes in the online Lord of the Rings fandom (which, ironically is where I actually knew Cassandra Clare from, who back then was known as Cassie Claire.) There are two online personas I thought then were Ms. Scribe. One was supposedly a woman from Chicago who definitely 100% was pregnant by a very definitely real person who very definitely was directly involved with the production of Peter Jackson's LoTR movies; the other who was said to be a young woman from somewhere in Germany who was very definitely being cyber bullied and later IRL stalked by a man who was angry that she wrote LoTR fanfic which 'reflected badly on the purity of Tolkien's work.' (????)
I have no proof that these people were indeed Ms.Scribe but the MO, the methods and the tactics they employed were absolutely exactly the same as Ms. Scribe. It is also, possible/plausible that this person (people) saw how successfully these tactics worked to gain attention/pot stir and adapted them; but I do still wonder: Ms.Scribe dat you with pointy ears or nah?
Yes, we are all now almost 50 and all this is hilariously ridiculous now; and honestly was then. I found it side splittingly funny at 25 and I still do at *cough* nearly 50.
Oh my god... that is absolutely amazing. I hope that was her because that would just be the icing of top of this whole cake. Also, I know you probably won't see this reply (since it's been months since your comment), but if you do, did either of these batshit people write fanfic (that you know of)? I think regardless of whether or whether not they were indeed Mscribe it would be great to know that people who made claims like that wrote fic (even though it would likely be lost to time).
I know the timelines don't add up, but I like to believe she's Tara's mother. Fanfiction drama just runs in the family
fanfiction drama au 🤩
@@sinzones3909 omg Tara & MsScribe mother/daughter AU Hurt/Comfort! My favorite 😭❤️
I wouldn’t be surprised is they were both relegated somehow.
*related
What if she's their aunt, that would be wilde
In the context of fanfic, I'm surprised how the storyline of "Alpha and Omega" deviated so wildly from what I initially expected and then somehow got right back on that same road in the end. What a journey
I experienced endless eras of torment in the time I heard the explanation of that fic.
That’s because ABO didn’t exist yet.
It wasn’t invented until a supernatural kink meme on livejournal like 4 years later
@@Sb_747 oh my god are there any video essays about that, cause that’s something I want to see. I’ve never thought about how abo first came to be but now I’m dying to know
@@lizzzylavender I've seen one, I think it was by Rowan Ellis? Give me a minute
@@Sb_747 Thank you for your commitment to accuracy and for giving us all psychic damage
Just the fact that *Cassandra Clare* is interwined into this *HARRY POTTER FANFICTION DRAMA* is insanely hilarious. THAT SHE GOT BANNED OFF OF A POPULAR FANFIC WEBSITE FOR *PLAGERISM.* The fact that she is now a popular *published author* is BONKERS. 😃
Apparently she still plagiarizes material in her books.
A lot of trashy YA novel writers become famous through a following they accrued writing trashy fanfic. Their actual novels that they’re famous for is never really “good”.
@@anomienormie8126 actually really enjoyed mortal instruments and some of her other work but I guess we all like different stuff. Edit: I realise I was thinking about the wrong series 🤦♀️ I do not like mortal instruments
@@Ali-mv3jcthis edit gives me life
I'm old enough I ONLY think of her as someone who lifted quips from Black Adder and Buffy for her trashy Harry Potter fanfiction, and can't believe she got published
The lesson here, kids, is if you wanna make an empire of absurd and crazy sock puppets, be sure to do it in a fandom full of actual absurd and crazy people.
"Since when do random acts of kindness deserve to be wanked" is such an absolutely bonkers sentence
Idk, kinda resonates with me
As a brit, this sentence kills me inside
The mental images from that are... uncomfortably vivid.
we should all wank our friends #randomactofkindness
nothing tears a fandom community apart like ship wars. history repeats itself.
I don't interact really with the fandoms I'm in so I've never actually seen this but just by concept I think it's incredibly stupid, I mean, it's fictional characters, respect the canon relationships but like I said, it's fictional so you can go crazy with all the characters and relationships, not like it's hurting anybody.
I guess I do see how it would be fun to discuss which characters would go together better but yeah, I don't see how that would progress into actual arguments but hey, with any group there's gonna be... unstable people in them too.
@@poppythedogofwonders it really shouldn’t but it happens a lot lol. esp when shippers like something others see as problematic (ie ron/ginny).
@@poppythedogofwonders Sometimes the ships got pretty fucked up tho. Like Snape x Hermione with people who were drawing child Emma Watson kissing Alan Rickman. I'm not gonna attack anyone for shipping them, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disturbed by it.
@@tychopanda Piping hot take but fictional or not depicting a minor in a romantic relationship with an adult is never okay. And all this ship and let ship bs is a part of what makes it so easy for predators to target kids. ESPECIALLY in fandoms centered around children's media.
@@prixe12 Sanitizing the entire internet of content that you find objectionable might make you feel better, but it doesn't actually protect kids. People will ill intent use whatever means available and isn't specific to whatever ship you personally don't like. Even if you got rid of every "not okay" ship, dangerous people would exist and target kids.
If you really care about protecting kids online focus on creating safe spaces for kids (something that doesn't really exist anymore) or on apps like tiktok where kids are posting their faces, locations, names ect. Coming after fictional relationships is so silly.
I remember reading Fandom Wank around this time. FW haaaaaated Cassie Clare. Her cult was the embodiment of the easily butthurt, criticism-averse, tantruming young fanfic writers who provided so much material for the group.
Ms. Scribe’s takedown was a big event in the group, but I skipped most of it. It was so complex that I couldn’t follow it. Thanks for explaining it to me 20 years later.
Thanks for posting this because I KNOW I read and saw a lot about these folks back in the day, but I didn't know where, cause I wasn't a fan. But I did read a lot of FW! Now I remember it came up constantly there.
God I was there, I miss FW
I distinctly remember "the Intellislashers", a group that wanted to separate themselves from regular slashers because of.... well.
@@LiNestHetalia So much
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly im screaming lmao (not because I was there but just knowing fandom I can tell what the vibes would have been lmaoooo)
This is an infuriating story because everything ms scribe and Cassandra Clare did wrong went unpunished, and everything they did right got backlash
Oh no, Msscribe got pretty significant backlash for Charitygate, where she was a lot of anonymous comments on Fandom Wank saying a lot of horrible stuff about a woman with debilitating cancer. They didn't know she was all of those anon comments, but she was mask-off saying some of that too, and it really turned a lot of people off of her.
@@featheredcloakI don’t think that’s exactly being held accountable
I'm not entirely sure what kind of "punishment" could be inflicted for internet drama? Ms. Scribe was run out of the fandom and lost all her friends, that's the only kind of consequence that could possibly happen to her. They were shitty people, sure, but there's no law against being an asshole nor is there an omnipotent internet police who could enforce any kind of punishment on them.
God getting internet access as a 12 year old in 2012 n being on tumblr etc in the wake of all this type of thing then finding out the lore years later makes me feel like some post apocalyptic archaeologist
“Look upon my fan works, ye mighty, and despair”
i was around 12 when a lot of this went down, and i feel 5,000 years old.
Right ?! I found this site and attempted to make an account but got bored because twelve-year-old me didn't know how to do it. Funny to think this was going on just a few pages away
@@lexi6878 when you know this much about the stupid bullshit a bunch of weirdos get themselves into I'd also feel 5,000 years old.
Oh
That was a decade ago
Yeesh.
I worked with a girl who wrote spicy HP fan fiction. She ended up getting sacked because she wouldn’t stop writing during work hours. The whole scenario was bizarre.
Mental illness manifests in strange ways sometimes...
I definitely failed a number of classes in middle/high school because of my obsessive fanfic reading. turns out getting my depression and adhd diagnosed and medicated helped a lot
average harry potter fan in 2002
@@poppythedogofwondersand porn addiction lmao
wow that’s freaking wild actually. i’ve never heard of porn addiction manifesting in such a way. or maladaptive day dreaming if it wasn’t,,, spicy material
when i was a wee baby child some verizon worker gave me a lecture about not subscribing to things bc it'll cost my parents money, and me being a child, did not know youtube subscriptions were free. i've had an irrational fear of subscribing to yt channels ever since, even while knowing they're free. i got over my fear today. congratulations, father strange, you are the first youtuber i have subbed to in about a decade. #inspirational #notclickbait #truestory ok but seriously i really want to hear you read my immortal so im helping in any way i can
But did you know, his name is Strange?
@@marvelousTUD his real name is strange eons
Ok but Dumbledore breeding people doesn't seem too out of character
Sadly he can't breed Grindlewald
😆
this might be the worst thing I've read today but you're right
I was scrolling through the comments and this one in particular hit me like a jump scare
okay, that's definitely enough internet for me for today. i absolutely have to agree though
"it seems people can't forget things that happened nearly two years ago (Jeff)" is so fucking funny for some reason. Jeff is probably my favourite part of this story
"The shadow of Jeff the Wife Guy looms over all of this."
@@gazeboist4535 Who?
@@Lilithksheh7723 The guy who decided to start a harassment campaign on his wife's behalf over Harry Potter fanfic drama. Eldena Doublecast did a long video about Ms Scribe a while back; "Jeff the Wife Guy" was their name for him.
this is actually crazy because at the last yallfest (book festival) someone asked cassandra in a panel about her start of writing fanfiction to now and she completely denied it in front of the whole audience that she never wrote fanfic and made the young teen asking the question feel bad lol
Really? Because... that is so well-established it is in her wiki
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly yeah it was so weird! she just straight up was like "oh that wasn't me sorry sweetie" like ? why are we lying mrs cassandra
I mean i suppose given the weird events that transpired around Mrs. Cassandra it does make sense she'd want to deny it? Like, it's pretty common for writers these days to cut their teeth on fanfic, but usually it's pretty low-key. I write fanficiton, but nobody reads it so it's not like it links me to years-old stupid behavior
@@fntthesmth423 it just felt very off-putting that she did it in front of a crowd of over hundreds of people to a middle schooler lol
Probably because her fanfic was purely plagiarism
The visible vibration before she said "Mortal Instaments" was hilarious
Fan Fiction writers be like, “thou,” “smite,” “mistress,” “goddess,” “lovers,” “thee,” “priestess,” “depraved, “souls,” “passionate,” “unrequited,” “guide,” “quest.” Etc etc etc
okay but if you read my immortal on stream, please consider that every time a new outfit is talked about, you are contractually obligated by the universe to take an intermission, dig out the old recreated outfits you did that one video, then continue reading as if nothing happened.
"By the universe" it is so
That would make a three week stream I believe.
If only Polyvore were still around, but much like Alpha and Omega, the term Polyvore may have very very different connotations now...
The blatant homophobia of early internet fandom (puppeteered or otherwise) never fails to shock me, probably just because I joined my first fandom at the tail-end of the 'slash warning' era. It's weird to think the thing that's now a staple of internet fandom culture was considered controversial under a decade ago.
Right? I was a kid in the early aughts and "gay" or "queer" were insults.
And now antis have reinvented it by calling women and queer people fetishists and fujoshis for writing slash. Literal radfem rhetoric and antis think they're the good guys...
@TheAngryHolmesian careful with the word anti bc it can mean a lot of different things. (I was in the osomatsusan fandom so anti always meant anti-incest, not anti-gay or anti-whatever)
@@theangryholmesian4556 I don’t care for people actually fetishizing queer ships but seriously, sometimes people just apply it to any and everything that happens to be queer ships, even when it’s well done or even canon!
@@theangryholmesian4556 straight women DO have to be careful not to fetishise the mlm ship they stan/write for…. fujoshis r called that bc they exhibit the applicable behaviour.. no regular straight woman who ships mlm to a normal degree is gonna have that as a serious allegation held against her
When I hear both "Arabella" and "Clarabella" so close together, my brain immediately assumes that there must be a jealous, antagonistic "Blarabella" somewhere in the shadows. I blame Project A-Ko for doing this to me
made me think about the game catherine, with catherine, katherine and qatherine.
Unexpected project A-ko reference warms my ancient heart
@@Laeiryn so happy to be of service 👍
@@ranchustars3050what?
@@sit-insforsithis1568 it’s a real game! the original only has catherine and katherine but they made a remaster called catherine full body with the addition of qatherine.
Working at a bookstore and watching Cassandra Clare creep her murky tendrils out over three and sometimes four shelves worth of identical material was so depressing
Slight correction!!! Cassandra clare did not republish her joke ron/ginny fic Mortal Instruments as a book series. She published her draco trilogy as a book series and then gave it the name of her joke ron/ginny fic
Oh, okay. Thank for the correction, it's a bit difficult knowing when they have the same name and the incest.
That's not true either. Her Draco fic was very different from The Mortal Instruments series, the two are not much alike plotwise. She did reuse names, characters and concepts here and there, and she did publish the latter on the wave of her popularity, that much is true.
She's actually really good at writing in different voices. Most people have a writing style and even when you're trying to be someone else there will be idiosyncrasies that you can't shake but her different sock puppets all sound kinda different. That's commitment.
Lol. Yes! I was watching thinking… Well, this is bullying, but she does have game.
Funny thing is, if she had played it off as just one big elaborate writing project, I'd bet there would be people who sided with her to this day...
(Not to say what she did was justifiable, she like spread a bunch of hateful messages even if she wasn't writing as herself and slandered a lot of people in the process)
It makes me wonder if her fanfic was all that mid if she could successfully pull off being more than six people at the same time. Like you can tell it's rage bait, esp the Christian zealots one but you can tell them apart too
@@tarotsushima3332 I read some of it back in the day (I was newly of smut-reading age at the tail end of all this) and her fic is decent but forgettable. There was nothing that stuck with you or made you think about the characters in a different way, nothing that really contributed to the zeitgeist like Cassandra Clare’s stuff did. I think Lennox summed it up pretty well by saying that she had good grammar and spelling that set her apart from other writers, but otherwise she was a better blogger than fanfic author.
its the inner voices in their head talking 🤣
Please do a Cassandra Clare deep dive. It’s amazing how many people have no idea about all the shit she’s been involved in and done (and potentially continues to do).
GOD I remember ALL OF THIS. I was like 16 to 20 or so when all of this was in its heyday, and hearing you say "BNF" made me grin because I've been told I was considered a BNF in that fandom back then. I was just in the fanart portion, not fic writing.
I ran _The Chamber of Keys,_ which was my dedicated HP fanart site. I was best known for my Marauders art, particularly my design of Sirius Black that I created long before he was finally described in detail in the later books. I also posted my work on _Artistic Alley._
I also did a LOT of fanart for Lori Summer's _Paradigm of Uncertainty_ series and Siriologist's _Sirius Affair_ series, both of which were hosted on the same Yahoo!Group as Cassandra's _Draco_ fics although I never got into them.
Siriologist actually furnished my first apartment because when I moved to Florida for college, she was only 25 minutes away and sold me a bunch of furniture for dirt cheap because we had become friends. I've lost touch with her since then (I graduated from college 15 years ago so it's been a minute), but she was such a sweetheart!
But holy god was that fandom ever _wild._
Edited to add PORTKEY . ORG OH MY GOD. The creator of that site used MY WORK as part of the structure of the site in exchange for hosting _Chamber of Keys_ and _Kristin's Studio_ (my site for the rest of my work and portfolio) on his server for free! This video is taking me back, _wow._ lmao
I remember all these sites. I wrote crack!fic that spawned a few random ships.
Omg wow I think I recognize you from the 2000s? I might have been following you on DA when I was 12 ;O; time flies fast!
I remember all of this. Including PoU. I don't think it was ever finished.
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly The third installment was never finished, but the first two were.
If you're who I think I own like 3 of your prints
When Strange Æons whips out the printed version of well preserved harry potter drama you know shit's abt to get juicy
"Titled... MORTAL INSTRUMENTS." I screameddd I consider myself a fandom/tumblr veteran and this is the first thing in YEARS to actually shOCK me omg I. DID. NOT. KNOW. THAT. omg omg omg
What??? I though this was the most common known
God, I’m so old.
I remember knowing who she was when that series came out, although at that time I was young enough that I'd only read her Draco series and didn't know anything else that had happened. I can't imagine finding out this way, it must be an absolute brick to the face.
Yeah I've thought for like 15 years that it was a Draco / Ginny fic 😭
Personally I think Ms. Scribe still out there. I just don't think someone who went through as much effort as she did would just give up. I mean having her reputation plummet like that would be pretty demoralizing, but this woman has a thirst for drama beyond human comprehension. I mean who knows maybe she started Q anon
The gut punch about this isn't that you said Ms. Scribe could be QAnon… It's how *fucking plausible* it is. Right down to her preference in demographics to troll. QAnon as a Ms. Scribe PsyOps, a ScribeOps if you will, actually would explain a lot.
Ms. Scribe is Q is something that needs to spread
@@ichusagi Right!?!? Like the more I think about it the more I wonder...
this is my favorite comment under this video so far
This gave me a real laugh, thank you
FYI, I can attest from personal experience that nothing pissed off Fandom Wank members more than pointing out how much they indulged in exactly the behavior they trashed other people for. Wow, that really set them off. It was hilarious.
"maybe she's 50 years old now and still in fandoms"
Oh god why did you put that fear in me
No 50yrold can keep up with tiktok not even with a teen daughter, their brains aren't trained from toddlerhood to speed through endless media feeds, she lives on Pinterest and facebook and is mentally stuck in 2007 like the other 50yrolds
I was so invested in the interpersonal drama that I forgot what Cassandra Clare is irl famous for and the reality of Mortal Instruments slapped me upside the skull. Jesus, all these people are a grand ol' mess.
It's actually impressive that most people around this know this all for a fact pero nada
I think one of the most interesting things about this whole debacle is that GT were apparently *never* the instigators. Clare and Scribe both sought our things they didn’t like, so they could get mad at it. Then, they made the other side out to be the bad guys. It’s kind of wild how much they *really* wanted that negative, flaming attention.
Seriously though, GT deserved better
Some people really want somebody to be mad at.
Big Juicy Smollett energy
"Actually that was my friend Clara on my computer" is an excuse that dates all the way back to 2006 i see. But since 2006 is basically medieval times, it was Clarabella instead of Clara
Dumbledore breeding Hogwarts students like livestock sounds like something that would happen in canon if Joanne wasn't a coward.
Snape did accuse him of raising Harry like a pig for slaughter so maybe there’s some fact in there after all
Frank Herbert's Harry Potter
@@lipstickgamer6580 I hate Snape but due was right.
The whiplash I got going to check the comments at the start of the video and seeing this as the topic comment! What the ham heck did this lady write??!!
It sounds like something that would happen in canon, but as an implied backstory. Like the fact that there are canonically half-human, half-house elves..
Have I already seen several hours worth of content about Ms Scribe already? Yes. Will I watch this anyways? Yes.
saaame
It feels so strange to be one of the few people who's never heard of Ms Scribe before lol
@@abbycantrell1369 yea, same
I seem to forget half of the drama between the watches of content. *This is intense content*
wild to think MsScribe's infant daughter is now herself an adult. I wonder if she knows about her mom's fandom shenanigans. It's so fascinating to me as the internet gets older to think that some of today's young adults have parents who were just doing the weirdest stuff on the internet 20+ years ago.
I bet not! Maybe she knows her mom was in the fandom but I super doubt if she knows the true drama.
Ok but why would her child be real?
@@sjie1874 Not even he would go that far pretending to have a ruitine daughter in that detail, or that she goe to school there, without having a daughter to come up with it.
@@sjie1874 so the child is mentioned in her first days of posting when her real name was connected. The thought is that she likely started out more genuine and then once online realized she could be anyone and say anything. Thus spiraled from there. I site this case all the time when people talk about online drama I’m like are we sure any of this is real??
I don't know if the daughter knows about the fandom drama her mom was involved, but she'll probably have the same attitude most kids have towards their parents' weird antics from before they were born: somewhere between embarrassment and apathy.
It's like learning about your mom's highschool beef or something.
as someone who isnt yet jaded by these kinds of stories, the sentence 'they were very much the hot popular girls of 2000s Harry potter smut' is absolutely insane to me
Sockpuppet accounts are personally my favorite type of internet fuckery. It's just so much fun and so satisfying to rip off the goofy Scooby-Doo mask and reveal that the haters/trolls were actually OP all along! There is something so fascinating about people who are so dedicated to this internet discourse/drama that they are willing to publicly argue with themselves through the use of alt accounts. I'm not a psychologist by any means so I can't even BEGIN to unpack the implications of that type of online behavior, but I love it.
For those who weren't around during the height of the Harry Potter fandom, there were literal bands that only wrote/performed Harry Potter themed songs. And not like based of the movie soundtracks. These were indie rock, twee bands writing songs solely about Harry Potter. And they were well known within the fandom. They played at book release parties in Borders. The Harry Potter fandom was huge. There's a reason why it still hasn't died after...oh, god, I'm not even going to do the math, I already feel old enough explaining things from my teen years like a grandma explaining what it was like during WWII.
Edit: for everyone dying of nostalgia in the replies, Google the album cover for the Parslemouths' "Sssss". It's just a pure hit of early 2000s nostalgia even if you didn't listen to them lol
Oh no remembering I was insanely into Harry Potter bands called me out harder than Jenny Nicholson’s bronycon video.
oh god, the flashbacks-
"hey remus, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind, HEY REMUS"
Oliver and the Remembralls still slaps, can't lie.
@@agnesa5501 God I didn't need to be reminded of this 😭😂
Every so often that one Harry Potter parody of Party Rock Anthem floats through my brain, and I find myself internally dancing to it.
If I had a nickel for every video essay on Miss Scribe made by an online lesbian, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Wait who’s the other one, I must watch
@@alissapenridge7516 Eldena Doublecast made a video a couple years ago before she came out
I got that reference
@@alissapenridge7516 the only other one I can find is by EldenaDoubleca5t
@@alissapenridge7516 I’m guessing Eldena Doublecast/Minerva P. Kelley
I love how in Griffindor’s tower you had prove you were an adult in order to read smut about 14 year old characters
Eh. Depends on which book it's set in, the characters age as the books progress, they end up 17-18 by the later books but to play devil's advocate, they are fictional, not-real characters so it doesn't really matter too much... though I still think it's... _Sus._
It's especially disgusting when you remember that their frame of reference was usually the live action cast 🙃
@@error-try-again-later Uh, no. Cassie Claire was established as a BNF, Gryffindor's Tower, Sugar Quill and the other major fic sites she mentions were all established before *any* of the movies had been released, and while the books were up to Goblet of Fire/Order of the Phoenix when all of this was going down (most of it happened between the publication dates for those two books) the second movie had just been released. It was *very* much a book fandom and I know that a *ton* of people in the fandom hadn't bothered to watch them - I didn't see any of them until 2004 when POA came out, and I didn't go back and watch the first two until years after that. I still haven't seen the last three, and at this point I almost certainly never will.
I know it's weird for people who grew up with the movies to *not* picture the cast when they think of the characters, but the fandom was already incredibly massive by the time filming even started and none of us had those actors as any kind of frame of reference. The vast, vast, vast majority of fic being written in those days was either futurefic or stuff set around the same general time as the Order of the Phoenix, and all kinds of people were used in fancasts or "this is who my Harry looks like" things - like, iirc there was an Irish actor who got used for Ron a lot, but fuck if I can remember his name.
@@poppythedogofwondersnobody asked you to justify it
@@bunnymcfoo8650spending pages justifying child smut dancing around the fact that the first two movies had absolutely been released when all of this went down. Even if someone in the scene had purposefully not watched the films, it would have been VERY hard to have never seen images or trailers from these movies featuring twelve year olds. Nobody’s going to arrest you, just admit it’s a bit weird 😂
girl you are literally vergil to me, leading me through another circle of hell every other video but it's worse because theres 9999 of them
The fact that the main person who did the sleuthing to uncover all this mess was called Angua9 is just magical, honestly. Truly the best werewolf policeman
YES!!! Fellow Discworld fan! I noticed that too!
Such a fitting name!
The introduction of the name Ebony in this story gave me whiplash. I know they aren’t related in any way but holy moly that’s like an irl Easter egg
IRL Easter egg bahahahaha
@@tortis6342 I’m igso HBO bi bi I I. Opinion
it's all so weird knowing that all of this crazy internet drama went down when I was a full toddler , like it's just a funny reminder that weirdos have been having weirdo internet fights for so long
Literally same. I’m a 2000s baby so I was 2-3 while this was happening. And now I’m 23 and practically the same shit happened with Creepyshow art. The cycle continues
Gryffindor tower suffered so much through all this and didn’t even get a fraction of the payoff they deserved
Yes! I remember liking GT back in the day. I was really young when I got into fandom stuff and was grateful that they were more kid-friendly. When I got a little older I was shocked that the broader fandom directed so much rage at them for (checks notes) trying to be welcoming to children who were fans of a children’s book. I didn’t spend much time there before it imploded but a lot of the stuff I read was pretty good (according to preteen me, anyway) and I never got the impression that they were homophobic, quite the opposite. They weren’t pro-Drarry obviously, but a lot of them really liked Remus/Sirius. Granted, my memories of the various fanfic sites are a little muddled and I’m not 100% sure that this was GT, but I remember reading a fluffy PG Harry/Ginny fic on there with Remus/Sirius as a background couple. It’s still really hard to find kid-friendly fic featuring gay pairings and I really loved that story. I’ve looked a few times to see if the author posted it anywhere else but I’ve never been able to find it. I feel so bad for all the writers on there who had nothing to do with any of the drama and were left without a community when GT went down, bc I can’t imagine they felt comfortable on the other sites after everything that happened.
@@alissapenridge7516 THIS!!! And you know that even after the whole thing was revealed if anybody said that they were even remotely involved with GT they still would have been attacked
I think some of the GT mods actually helped create AO3, so at the very least they went on to better things, if that's true
@@VaatiOfDarkness wait seriously? Well if that’s true then I’m really happy for them. They’ve been a great success
The ex-GT members had the last laugh when Harry/Ginny became canon! It's not only that Harry and Ginny are compatible, it's that it's a form of karmic justice against everyone who abused them...
But wait, what was her husband's financial situation? Was he rich or...
What was his job? I think it's unfair to leave out vital information like that.
I think he mightve been rich and a lawyer but im not sure
@@georgenoodles1387
Was he????? Idk I think I might need a LinkedIn page or a peer reviewed study before I believe a claim as baseless as that.
@@jackdanielsinthelionsden1887 yes, it's pretty easy to find that info online.
she hung out w a lot of ppl irl. her husband actually WAS a rich lawyer lmaooo which is funny as hell.
@@jackdanielsinthelionsden1887 its the internet, we have the right to be skeptical after all
Strange videos always give me the most unique nostalgia. This gives off the same vibes as early 2010’s tumblr, watching your mutual, mutuals, mutual entire community implode over something that you’re vaguely aware of. Constantly chaos adjacent
Your air quotes and explanation of a "home computer" made me crumble into dust like a villain in indiana jones in front of my own home computer.
That "999k Subscribers" really is hanging over us. The apprehension, the anxiety, I'm both living for it and dying because of it
its 1 mil now sweaty
its literally 1 40 am where i am rn but seeing it change live was worth it
Truly a god amongst mortals.
@@platypusparasol9825 😭 thank you for letting me know
WE DID IT JOE ITS 1M
imagine living your best girlboss life and then finding out that once upon a time grandma made intense sock puppet accounts to become popular in the Harry potter fandom on live journal and friends with Cassandra Clare who wrote ron/ginny incest fics or don't, probably don't.
What's always fascinated me about this saga is how she kept track of all the sock puppets. I can barely remember 2 different login detail at any given point.
Spite is an endless fuel source.
I bet she used the same password for them all
@@AeonKnigh432 she could have also written her passwords down, but I feel like having the same password for all of them would make more sense
I wonder how she even had the time to both write fanfiction and all those stupid fake drama comments.
As someone who used to troll people on Facebook as a teen, you use the same password for everything lmao
Can't believe this whole debacle started over Harry Potter breeding kink fic.
😥😥😥😥😭😭🦔🦔 nooo
@@nevershutupaboutytsgreed2003 what's the backstory about the antiguitar pfp 😭