@@dominicbarden4436 Maybe but FE has better designed street tracks than what ever this is (even at it's worse and their have been plenty of those). Given that no manufacturer in the FE grid happens to be in Michigan, I don't see much of the point to head to Detroit (anyways, FE seems to have found it's US venue and that is Portland).
i think it was great imo...not saying its perfect but it was a great race my issue is the cars not retiring and annoying the others...an f1 rule on retiring would suit it more because theres more cars and them not racing in the rain was also bad
Indycar needs another Superspeedway on the schedule. And Michigan would fit the bill and NASCAR only goes there once a year now. So there you go Indycar and Roger Penske. A free win-win.
@@ILSRWY4 Also the locals there don't want Indycar using Belle Isle that disturbs the residents using the park. Don't leave that part of the reasons out of the equation.
@@izzdin6228 I'm not a "conservative" and definitely not a Trumper, but I gotta say in this case: F the residents who use the park! It's a State Park run by the DNR anyways... Indy should've dug in its heels by investing even more money and just stayed on Belle Isle.
@@_hantyumi It's insane to you because you're a selfish, narcissistic, dumb ****! (I censored it but I'll tell you that it starts with a C, and ends in a T... hopefully you can figure it out)... They can use their park!!! 3/4's of it is usable 365 days a year! And that 1/4 is only restrictive for 2 months of the spring and none of the summer... And as I said, the city couldn't afford Belle Isle's upkeep so the tax payers of the State of Michigan took over the responsibility of said upkeep and invested A LOT of money into Belle Isle! Did you factor that in at all?!?!?!?! Where is the say of the rest of the State's residents? And MOST importantly, the city couldn't afford to keep Belle Isle maintained properly (the island had fallen into decay) so Indy Car donated multiple millions to Belle Isle's operating fund... So after knowing all that, do you think the dumb ****s are being a little short sighted and selfish in their demands when they successfully kicked Indy Car off the island? I'm sure you'll answer with some stupid rhetorical response, but let me add one last little tid bit: According to an independent study conducted by St. Louis-based Sportsimpacts, the Detroit Grand Prix produces $104.4 million on average annually in total spending activity by both local and visiting fans, as well as businesses, for the Greater Detroit region of Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties. So when Detroit loses its Grand Prix because of the whiny selfish ****s like yourself (Detroit WILL lose this race because of this) what are you gonna say to all the local businesses who rely on this race for an annual windfall each year? Unless Penske build's a purposed track this race will not be around much longer... Thanks ****!
David, spot on with your comments. I wish there were wider areas were more passing could take place. I would love more ovals, but it takes the track AND IndyCar to make it happen. Just like another engine manufacturer which has not happened yet.
I just got home. was the corner marshal captain at turn 3/3A today (yes my arms are tired). Huge props to my crew (Jiffy, Spencer, John, Dan and Wayne), huge props to the Detroit region SCCA, and to IndyCar and IMSA. Everything off track was great! Worker dinners, parking, meetings, ice and waters, lunches, etc etc. Everything was spectacular!…. except the track. I don’t like this circuit. When compared to Belle Isle, i hate this track. Belle Isle had everything except elevation. This track has nothing but 1 elevation change (up and down). it sucks, and because of that, i don’t know if i’ll come back next year yet
Detroit is a momentum killer. If you’re new to Indycar and you enjoyed the Indy 500, you expect to see something similar the next week, instead, you get a race that looks nothing like what you watched the week before.
My friends and I were at the race. Two seemingly long time race fans sitting by us left with about 40 to go because they couldn’t take it any more. My friend bought a diecast AMR safety truck, saying it was his favorite driver. A fun time to be sure but I’m grateful I didn’t have to watch it on TV because it would have pissed me off
Not a great race, but was fun to watch. Pretty much like a nascar short track race when they were fun to watch. For that it's genius to put right after the 500.. just like nascar now puts Atlanta immediately after daytona with all 3 series
Are you going to pay the millions of dollars to make the necessary upgrades to pass indycar safety standards and infrastructure? Folks whine and whine about indycar every week. You'll get Milwaukee back let's see how many of you show up. No other oval in America is anywhere near Indycar safety standards Infrastructure or track services standards
Théo Pourchaire drove a good race (punting Canapino aside), and I think his move on Fittipaldi into turn 4 was possibly the best overtake of the race, especially with his steering damage. Was also loving Vautier in 3rd, a shame that he fell down the field towards the end (double stinting the options wouldn't have helped). Well down to Armstrong for getting his first podium as well.
9:10 It was so annoying see those rainy conditions and was so psyched up to see what would happen, only to see that they continued to be under yellows and the rain stopped very quickly...
Indycar should race Michigan July 4th weekend, make it the return of the U.S. 500. It could be like a mini Indy 500. The patriotic atmosphere of that particular weekend would be similar to the Memorial Day vibes you get at Indy.
You started by saying "worst driver standards by far" then said it's not the drivers fault? Seriously? It IS their "like a noob driving Forza's" fault! Every accident was caused by a ridiculous pass. The track is worse than Monaco. But that doesn't mean drive it like a figure 8 demolition derby! That was embarrassing garbage.
I went... sat in turn 3.. and our group actually enjoyed it. There was a ton of passing. The mess is on the drivers, not the track. Not to mention, there were a ton of fans who got exposed to Indycar that would never in a million years make the drive to MIS. I'm excited to come back next year.
These are the kinda tracks that IndyCar needs to avoid going forward. These cookie cutter street courses with no charm and no unique character. This track is literally like a funky rectangle. I’m fine with street courses but we need to design them with some character. BRING BACK BELLE ISLLE!!!
@@dantheman340 Agree, I’d prefer Michigan i just don’t know if it’s really in the cards to return to the schedule. Penske entertainment has had issues working with nascar tracks in the past.
Between this race and the Nashville street circuit, IndyCar really needs a way to test their track designs before they end up with clown shows like this. I would imagine they could use simulators and it might be worthwhile to set up a small exhibition race if it's possible
as someone returning to watching indy for the first time since I used to go and personally watch in Surfers Paradise, Detroit was great. I tried to watch Long Beach but stopped watching half way through. I wouldnt want every race to be this chaotic, but as much as I hate street tracks, detroit ranks towards the top for me.
I can understand why people might hate it tho, as a life long f1 fan I hate saudi, and new fans love Saudi for its chaos. Could be the same kinda scenario
The podium set-up was a major upgrade. I've been harping on IndyCar's embarrassing milk crate podiums for the past couple of years at every chance I've had and I think the podium for this race is much more appropriate for this series.
I feel bad for the fans that had to sit through the race, watching it in slow motion. This was embarrassing. Leaving Belle Isle or having a track like MIS near by (relatively), and not using these great tracks is mind boggling.
Happy as an Ericsson fan. Kept it clean and nearly got the win. Loved the move for 2nd. Hopefully they find a solution to the track layout, but planning something like that with limited options is always tricky
That guy is a mystery to me. An Indy winner and obviously a very talented driver that occasionally biffs it. I can't figure why he doesn't have a larger role/sponsor.
David You're the first commentator that I heard all weekend not gush over being "in the shadows of RenCen", when GM is outta there and their CEO even mentioned DEMOLISHING it. Seriously.
I’m wondering if the all night rain Saturday night washing the rubber off the track had something to do with all the dive bomb crashes. To add to that the tires didn’t look like they really ever came in even after the heat was in them. Being they were developed for the hybrid and the cars being 25 pounds lighter than they were last year at Detroit probably added to the crash problem and so many taking the runoff in those areas as well. Nobody including the drivers wants to see a 100 lap race run with 47 laps under yellow that had to be embarrassing for INDYCAR.
2:07 it felt like the ultimate reminder that CART/Champcar was absorbed into the IRL and not the other way around 😂💀 (yes, I know it was 16 years ago that they merged, but it felt like a 90s Indy Racing League race on a road course... or a Champcar race after 2001).
I think David made a great point why not have 2 races at Michigan speedway to see if it can really draw more fan support and move the Detroit race to Labor Day seems like a really good idea to me. Move Milwaukee to After the 500 slot like it used to be.
Perfect title. Well said. These tracks like San Jose, Baltimore, and Detroit are GHETTO AF. Racing is near impossible. It wasn't amazing watching these guys race as it usually is. It was cringy.
This was like watching a NASCAR truck race. I do not watch IndyCar regularly, and I'm trying to get more into it, so I really hope the races going forward are better.
I was watching the highlights while visiting my parents and when my dad saw the driving standards over my shoulder he initially thought it was Formula E. IndyCar should be embarassed by that. In a sane world, multiple drivers would have been suspended for a race after that debacle.
Good report. Equal cars and limited passing zones make for hectic starts and unnecessary crashes. This street course seems even narrower than most others. There's no room for error - you're either on the track or into a wall. I'm old enough to remember the Twin 200s at MIS. They should do that again. David, can you shed some light on why IndyCar doesn't allow onboard starters? They have batteries to power the electronics, require a working reverse gear but don't require or allow onboard starters.
Agree 1000% David. I dunno maybe a thought. How about build a permanent racetrack in Detroit taking the best of the European and US tracks like COTA. Get INDYCAR, F1, NASCAR, IMSA etc to fund and hold races there……
16 races ...5 ovals....5 street....5 road.... and a required 100 mile dirt race with Silver crown cars ...double points = True national champion.... How of you would love to see Scott Dixon drive a dirt car !!!
As much as I would also love to see a mile dirt track on the schedule, it ain’t going to happen. Thank goodness Silver Crown has good car counts at the races and some incredible talent driving those cars. I wish David would cover more dirt track stuff.
@@chrisbynum4940 I know...but for sure Kyle Larson would love it. It's a shame. My other thought was if they corralled the guys for that dumb non-points race ...why not to do the same on the Indiana State Fairgrounds at the end of the season?
There's plenty of dirt racing series available not named "Indycar" if Larson prefers to do that. The series doesn't need to be something it's not for his benefit.
The program director on NBC is in love with Santino, when he punted Helio they acted as if he was a contender who was stuck on the wrong side of the luck coin. There's pumping up a guy to be the villian, but the reality is that Santino is just a douchebag who acts like the innocent wherever he has a run in with somebody. He is IndyCar's Austin Hill
Which drivers don't punt others and act innocent? Grosjean, Power, Sato. Lots of guys do it often. Ferrucci was in one incident today and finished top 10.
The standard of driving this year has been poor, most notably at Barber and now Detroit. I feel like the quality of the grid isn't as good as it used to be, I mean if you're having to fish a guy out who hasn't raced in Indy for 7 years, that's a really bad look. The yellow's last far to long it's so frustrating. I understand why they take a while on an oval but here it completely ruined the race and to have that portion of the race that was wet run under yellow is completely unacceptable. Restarting the race before turn 3 which is the only place you can overtake leading to some of the worst overtaking attempts I have ever seen must change for next year. And I have to point it out, why the hell was the person waving the green flag at the start of the race LOOKING IN THE COMPLETE WRONG DIRECTION?! If it wasn't for the person stood next to him he would have COMPLETELY missed the start. Can I use the word completely more in a paragraph I don't think so lol.
If indycar is insistent on coming here, they really should flip the weekends with Road America so that comes after the 500. It'll showcase to any potential new fans from the 500 the road racing prowess of these drivers, versus this amateur hour excuse of a track.
I appreciate your comments on Santino, like it or not he is a capable driver and does have star power. He keeps things interesting and I hope he becomes a force to challenge the top teams.
It was the Chevrolet Detroit Grand Wrecking (for IMSA and IndyCar). The rain caution and pace laps during it ruined the race strategy. Michigan and Belle Isle would be so much better!
In a comment on an Instagram post, I saw where the wife of one of the mechanics said that a big problem with this event is that after the grueling month at IMS, everyone is absolutely exhausted - the drivers, the mechanics, and everyone else. She said that they need a break. I realize that might be tough to swing with NBC as far as planning the schedule for the entire season - especially during an Olympic year - but I thought it was a point worth mentioning. Yes, the circuit design isn't very good, but it sounds as though that's not the only problem.
Yeah, unfortunately they need to have a back to back though The weekend after Monaco is a break, and that is the oxygen Indy needs But good point that these teams are human too and May is a real grind
@@GarbagePlateROC I just did a quick Google search, and it looks like the average annual salary for an IndyCar mechanic is $47,923 per year. Many make somewhere in the $41,000 to $57,000 per year range. Note that this is not an official figure from the IndyCar website or anything, but given that similar numbers are popping on a bunch of different websites, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually pretty accurate. Just thought I'd point that out.
@@GarbagePlateROC we are talking about mechanics They make a pretty standard wage, and work 80hrs+ a race week The wife is trying to keep a family together, relax dude
Why did they choose to race here instead of Belle Isle, or even Milwaukee? As for the race itself, I counted 8 yellow flags, and 3 accidents on that narrow turn
MIS is a pipe dream (anyone complaining about Detroit looking bad hasn't been to the Irish Hills in a quarter century) and there's been plenty of oval races post-Indy 500 since 1996 which did a whole lot of nothing for the sustainability of the sport. It is what it is. I'd prefer a better Detroit circuit or better officiating or both but we'll see what we get in 2025. Looking forward to... (looks at Race Calendar)...FIA TCR Mid Ohio coverage next week.
It is mind boggling to me that Indycar follows up the spectacle and granduer that is the Indy 500 with this sideshow track. Like do Pocono or Texas or even Road America or Watkins Glen. What are they thinking??? Any new fans from the 500 will be super turned off
This race wouldn’t have been nearly as bad if the cars had starters. Most of those cautions wouldn’t have been cautions if the cars could refire themselves
At least it was better than the Monaco GP (first lap crash and restart, after which they drove around the track as slowly as possible to conserve fuel, with *no position changes* among the top 10).
We need our Michigan stop the week after Indianapolis to be at MIS and add back Texas in late June or July as a night race and have our own in season tournament, "Triple Crown," of 500 mile superspeedway races. Treat the Indy 500 like the Kentucky Derby - use it and its history to lead into MIS and Texas. Use the intrigue of IMS to directly tie into MIS and then later Texas.
please bring michigan . back I went to many great race there . in the 1970s till the last one. . I still wish mario had won over nigel , love your show
I really enjoyed the race. The rain period added an unexpected element to the strategy and the slippery track after the rain was a chaotic element too. I liked seeing all the elements play out in this race. Was fun to watch.
I watched on Indycar live and was astonished how many times the commentary went quiet because of a commercial break. How does anyone put up with so many commercial breaks?
... and when they actually talk all of it sponsorship too. Welcome back to the Sponsorship Grand Prix where currently the Sponsorship Car on Sponsorship tyres goes to the Sponsorship pitline picking up new Sponsorship tyres hoping to get the Sponsorship fastest lap by making a gap to the Sponsorship car behind as we can now see through the Sponsorship cam ... Naturally some level of this is expected but Indycar is bonkers.
Outside of Long Beach, I detest street courses. Btw- Ferrucci is NOT a star. He has nothing to show for his aggression, other than being the least popular driver among the other drivers in the series.
So what series will David be covering next week? Formula One at Montreal, NASCAR at Sonoma? My money is that he’ll be covering the NHRA in Bristol. Maybe he’ll get an exclusive interview with Tony Stewart about why he’s chosen drag racing over NASCAR
This is a prime example of why these cars don't work well on most street circuits! Just one opinion, while I don't feel that these cars are good on the 1 mile ovals, perhaps going back to Milwaukee the weekend after Indy might work. For what it's worth, I would suggest going to one of the larger permanent road courses (specifically Road America, Mid Ohio or Road Atlanta -- or even COTA) following Indy would provide a good balance and contrast. I just don't feel that this course is a good design for these cars. Further, IndyCar REALLY needs to come down hard on some of the STUPID driving, serious penalties (money AND points, or even suspensions!) to get people's attention!
David, great updates on Twitter all day. I was watching from turn 3 and was following your comments during the race. I honestly think that the track design wasn’t the primary reason for so much poor driving today. FWIW I don’t love the track layout. But the drivers were overly aggressive in areas other than turn 3. And some just made unusual mistakes (what happened to Scottie Mac in turn 1)? Just lots of sloppy driving, missing braking zones, etc. There was some good hard driving at times, but mostly just sloppy. Turn 3 looked like an online open lobby all day though. Even experienced drivers were WAY overshooting the braking zone and just torpedoing into other cars. So odd.
Noticed as the race progressed the stands appeared to thin out and not surprised with the number of yellows. . Cannot imagine the repair bills for many of the teams from all the carnage. Hope they can reconfigure the circuit to make it race worthy. A final thought would be to host an oval race after the 500.
So, I wonder about a few things. Andretti Global for Indycar is a Honda team that just did very well in Detroit. Andretti Global is an American team talking about a Cadillac engine that got turned down summarily by F1. Part of me wonders is if part of the Cadillac/Andretti Global F1 bid was to put pressure on Honda to stay in Indycar. Right now Honda owned GM on it's home turf - you can say it's not a "real race" but maybe this is part of how you keep Honda in Indycar. And if Andretti Global and Cadillac do really well if allowed into F1, Honda leaving Indycar makes it look like they just couldn't cut it in the series. Also, I am glad to see some consistency in your criticism of street tracks. You said my city's track was bad before the race happened and Chicago delivered a good race for NASCAR. Chicago's streets are on a grid - the whole city is - it makes it really easy to get where you need to and you don't get lost in Chicago. Midwestern streets are bumpy because - Chicago and Detroit have more days below zero degrees in the winter than Indy due to geography. So, you don't really understand what the freezing and thawing process does to streets - it makes them far bumpier than anywhere else. But, Chicago like Long Beach is 2 and 1/2 lanes at it's narrowist and it isn't that narrow for very long stretches. Detroit is only 1 and 1/2 lanes wide for pretty long stretches. Chicago hates NASCAR because Lake Shore Drive is a critical artery through the 3rd larges city in the nation and shutting it down causes huge traffic implications on side streets and other expressway/highway routes. The upside is that the city does do paving before the race. The downside is that any other scheduled work to repair the roads used for the race is now blamed on "doing work for NASCAR." I don't think people understand what it means for a city to shut down streets for a race. I think Detroit doesn't shut down it's really major streets and that is why it's so narrow. It looks like the part that 1 and 1/2 lanes wide is the up ramp for a parking garage. This creates elevation but it is an ugly part of the track and it's way too narrow. You can say the Chicago street course is too narrow but it is very comparable to other successful street race courses. I would love to see Indycar in Chicago instead of NASCAR but NASCAR decided it wanted Chicago during COVID. They asked the city to scan our streets and did a virtual NASCAR race before they raced here. NASCAR chose this city and this racecourse - not the City. Maybe that's why it's successful. It seems Detroit was designed for a specific corporate end and so the track design doesn't really matter. Maybe Indycar fans need to stop trying to hold on to a past that is not longer tenable and try to figure out how to reshape their future in a better direction. Constructive criticism is useful - addiction to nostalgia and an inability to be creative in building a new future is deadly for this series. Maybe you're part of the problem. Maybe you should start looking at the streets of Detroit and suggesting a better track layout rather than just putting it down.
The two parts of Honda are independent of each other, well that's what was said when Honda announced it was leaving F1 for sustainability reasons while staying in IndyCar. So what happens in F1 really has no impact on IndyCar and vice versa. And no Andretti weren't summarily dismissed, they were told to come back when they actually had a Cadillac/GM engine which is apparently going to be 2028 at the earliest. A Renault customer team with the promise of an OEM engine some time in the future was not going to work. Of course they could always buy an existing team, assuming their pockets are deep enough.
Gotta have track width to have a decent street race. It's just common sense. Toronto and Long Beach are a lot alike with long front straights Lakeshore and Shoreline. The connecting portions have width in the kinks and they both have great hairpins. This Detroit circuit has none of that. The Nashville circuit didn't have that. So naturally you get bumper cars.
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We really left iconic Belle Isle for this Formula E ass track.
Unironically, Formula E could work quite well here.
belle isle sucked too ngl
@@precesionnoreaster1507maybe but not as much
Michigan 500?
@@dominicbarden4436
Maybe but FE has better designed street tracks than what ever this is (even at it's worse and their have been plenty of those). Given that no manufacturer in the FE grid happens to be in Michigan, I don't see much of the point to head to Detroit (anyways, FE seems to have found it's US venue and that is Portland).
"welcome to the goofy aah pitlane" is an all timer intro
I genuinely burst out laughing 😂
Seriously, the pace car should've gotten the two points for leading most laps xD
Will Power said in his on-board that the pacecar driver drove so fast under the yellow that he deserves a Indycar ride. 😂
Yep reminded me of Nashville street race
lol right
I stood in one of the free viewing areas and I want my money back 😂
My late father would've said "They'd have to pay me to go watch this joke of a race!"😂
Bring back Belle Isle
Yes
Bring back Belle Isle!
Amen!🙏
@@W2HTLCA Yes, I love the Milwaukee Mile!
@@W2HTLCA Milwaukee is returning though. 🤷🏻♂️
Why do fans lose interest after the Indy 500? ...I think this debacle answers that question....
i think it was great imo...not saying its perfect but it was a great race
my issue is the cars not retiring and annoying the others...an f1 rule on retiring would suit it more because theres more cars
and them not racing in the rain was also bad
I think it comes down to nothing is like the IMS
@@mrbungle3310 It was garbage!
this
😂😂😂
Spot on 👍.
Indycar needs another Superspeedway on the schedule. And Michigan would fit the bill and NASCAR only goes there once a year now. So there you go Indycar and Roger Penske. A free win-win.
michigan doesn't want them back and i don't blame them, attendance sucked. plus, Detroit only exist cause chevy wants it there.
NASCAR will never greenlight Indycar at any track they own
@@chancebaker6042 nascar ran by idiots too
@@chancebaker6042This is why all IndyCar fans need to boycott Nascar.
@@xSoccerxCorexThat was years ago with the IRL. They could get much better attendance now.
They gave up Belle Isle and Michigan Intl. for this 😭
$$$$ and RP. He's catering to big sponsors... not the fans... GM one of them.... if not the big one
@@ILSRWY4 Also the locals there don't want Indycar using Belle Isle that disturbs the residents using the park. Don't leave that part of the reasons out of the equation.
@@izzdin6228 I'm not a "conservative" and definitely not a Trumper, but I gotta say in this case: F the residents who use the park!
It's a State Park run by the DNR anyways... Indy should've dug in its heels by investing even more money and just stayed on Belle Isle.
@@Paolo-sw8ysthat’s an insane take lmao. the residents of Detroit want to use their damn park
@@_hantyumi
It's insane to you because you're a selfish, narcissistic, dumb ****! (I censored it but I'll tell you that it starts with a C, and ends in a T... hopefully you can figure it out)...
They can use their park!!! 3/4's of it is usable 365 days a year! And that 1/4 is only restrictive for 2 months of the spring and none of the summer... And as I said, the city couldn't afford Belle Isle's upkeep so the tax payers of the State of Michigan took over the responsibility of said upkeep and invested A LOT of money into Belle Isle! Did you factor that in at all?!?!?!?! Where is the say of the rest of the State's residents?
And MOST importantly, the city couldn't afford to keep Belle Isle maintained properly (the island had fallen into decay) so Indy Car donated multiple millions to Belle Isle's operating fund... So after knowing all that, do you think the dumb ****s are being a little short sighted and selfish in their demands when they successfully kicked Indy Car off the island?
I'm sure you'll answer with some stupid rhetorical response, but let me add one last little tid bit:
According to an independent study conducted by St. Louis-based Sportsimpacts, the Detroit Grand Prix produces $104.4 million on average annually in total spending activity by both local and visiting fans, as well as businesses, for the Greater Detroit region of Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties.
So when Detroit loses its Grand Prix because of the whiny selfish ****s like yourself (Detroit WILL lose this race because of this) what are you gonna say to all the local businesses who rely on this race for an annual windfall each year?
Unless Penske build's a purposed track this race will not be around much longer...
Thanks ****!
David, spot on with your comments. I wish there were wider areas were more passing could take place. I would love more ovals, but it takes the track AND IndyCar to make it happen. Just like another engine manufacturer which has not happened yet.
I just got home. was the corner marshal captain at turn 3/3A today (yes my arms are tired). Huge props to my crew (Jiffy, Spencer, John, Dan and Wayne), huge props to the Detroit region SCCA, and to IndyCar and IMSA. Everything off track was great! Worker dinners, parking, meetings, ice and waters, lunches, etc etc. Everything was spectacular!…. except the track. I don’t like this circuit. When compared to Belle Isle, i hate this track. Belle Isle had everything except elevation. This track has nothing but 1 elevation change (up and down). it sucks, and because of that, i don’t know if i’ll come back next year yet
Thanks to you and your crew!!!!
The race essentially takes the crashville slot on the schedule now
There is no bigger online ambassador for Indycar than David Land
FP1 Will is putting in the work as well
Detroit is a momentum killer. If you’re new to Indycar and you enjoyed the Indy 500, you expect to see something similar the next week, instead, you get a race that looks nothing like what you watched the week before.
Yeah Milwaukee and then a Michigan 500 would be pretty cool then Road America.
@@bartsullivan4866 Ah, the glory days when Milwaukee followed Indy. At least Milwaukee is back on the schedule, hopefully Michigan soon enough.
I managed to get my mate to watch Detroit after he watched the Indy500 for the first time. Safe to say he won't be watching again...
I know how that is 😂 like I promise bro this doesn't happen alot
That was stupid. You should have told him to not watch this and wait for Road America and watch that race.
My late father would've said "They'd have to pay me to come out to watch this joke of a race!"😅
My friends and I were at the race. Two seemingly long time race fans sitting by us left with about 40 to go because they couldn’t take it any more. My friend bought a diecast AMR safety truck, saying it was his favorite driver. A fun time to be sure but I’m grateful I didn’t have to watch it on TV because it would have pissed me off
Left early because of yellow laps ?
I am so glad that I didn't bother watching this shitshow at all.
@@Bill-yo6kw yes
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed this race?!
Next year is probably the last one for this location
The Michigan 500 immediately after the Indy 500 would be amazing!
Nope. It should be at the end of July or the beginning of August like it used to be.
@@hickoryhoundYes, or on 4th of July.
Nascar owned
Hats off to Scott Dixon and crew. They always run smart at road courses.
Nothing against Dixon, but this race was nothing more than a RNG in motorsport form. Essentially the Daytona 500 in street course form.
Kept his nose clean, and another masterclass in speed/fuel compromise
Although it does get dull when he is never really challenged for the lead.
Tristan drove a really good race. Hopefully he gets more starts. Shout out for getting that interview
Having not driven the n the series for a minute, he did awesome and smoked some of the regulars. Dale should put him in the car again this season 👍🏻
@@stephenlongere1140 hes done way more than a minite
Not a great race, but was fun to watch. Pretty much like a nascar short track race when they were fun to watch. For that it's genius to put right after the 500.. just like nascar now puts Atlanta immediately after daytona with all 3 series
Go to Michigan international speedway
NASCAR will not allow that to happen from what I hear.
@@scsmith4604 They wouldn't allow it and have no interest in doing so. It wouldn't make money and GM wouldn't pay for it.
Are you going to pay the millions of dollars to make the necessary upgrades to pass indycar safety standards and infrastructure? Folks whine and whine about indycar every week. You'll get Milwaukee back let's see how many of you show up. No other oval in America is anywhere near Indycar safety standards Infrastructure or track services standards
@@JamesCook-u9h as of 2 weeks ago, Milwaukee had sold less than 10k tickets. About 7500 of the 30k total capacity
@@JamesCook-u9hLmfao what upgrades would a nascar track need to host indycar? It's not formula 1 with their idiotic standards.
Théo Pourchaire drove a good race (punting Canapino aside), and I think his move on Fittipaldi into turn 4 was possibly the best overtake of the race, especially with his steering damage. Was also loving Vautier in 3rd, a shame that he fell down the field towards the end (double stinting the options wouldn't have helped). Well down to Armstrong for getting his first podium as well.
9:10 It was so annoying see those rainy conditions and was so psyched up to see what would happen, only to see that they continued to be under yellows and the rain stopped very quickly...
Bring back MIS! Run the U.S. 500 on July 4th!
I actually like this idea.
Absolutely!
That would be awesome!!!!!
Also, bring back Milwaukee after Indy.
It's called the Michigan 500
Indycar should race Michigan July 4th weekend, make it the return of the U.S. 500. It could be like a mini Indy 500. The patriotic atmosphere of that particular weekend would be similar to the Memorial Day vibes you get at Indy.
I miss Belle Isle
NEWSFLASH!!! Belle Isle was ungawdly narrow -- not to mentioned that it sucked major behind.
You started by saying "worst driver standards by far" then said it's not the drivers fault? Seriously? It IS their "like a noob driving Forza's" fault! Every accident was caused by a ridiculous pass. The track is worse than Monaco. But that doesn't mean drive it like a figure 8 demolition derby! That was embarrassing garbage.
I went... sat in turn 3.. and our group actually enjoyed it. There was a ton of passing. The mess is on the drivers, not the track. Not to mention, there were a ton of fans who got exposed to Indycar that would never in a million years make the drive to MIS. I'm excited to come back next year.
These are the kinda tracks that IndyCar needs to avoid going forward.
These cookie cutter street courses with no charm and no unique character. This track is literally like a funky rectangle.
I’m fine with street courses but we need to design them with some character. BRING BACK BELLE ISLLE!!!
They need to avoid wide tracks into hairpins. The divebomb was basically game theory optimal on restarts
Michigan international would be a way better option and would maybe hold even more interest especially after Indianapolis
@@dantheman340 Agree, I’d prefer Michigan i just don’t know if it’s really in the cards to return to the schedule. Penske entertainment has had issues working with nascar tracks in the past.
Between this race and the Nashville street circuit, IndyCar really needs a way to test their track designs before they end up with clown shows like this. I would imagine they could use simulators and it might be worthwhile to set up a small exhibition race if it's possible
as someone returning to watching indy for the first time since I used to go and personally watch in Surfers Paradise, Detroit was great. I tried to watch Long Beach but stopped watching half way through. I wouldnt want every race to be this chaotic, but as much as I hate street tracks, detroit ranks towards the top for me.
I can understand why people might hate it tho, as a life long f1 fan I hate saudi, and new fans love Saudi for its chaos. Could be the same kinda scenario
NOLA was more of a race than this disaster. Go back to Belle Isle or go to Michigan.
The podium set-up was a major upgrade. I've been harping on IndyCar's embarrassing milk crate podiums for the past couple of years at every chance I've had and I think the podium for this race is much more appropriate for this series.
Don't sugarcoat it, this concrete channel track sucks, and the torpedo show is not good for our sport.
Ha! Good descriptions of the course and the racing
It's s**t shows like this that fuel the perception of Indycar as a second-tier racing series. It was embarrassing
I feel bad for the fans that had to sit through the race, watching it in slow motion. This was embarrassing. Leaving Belle Isle or having a track like MIS near by (relatively), and not using these great tracks is mind boggling.
Bring back the US 500 because why not
Happy as an Ericsson fan. Kept it clean and nearly got the win. Loved the move for 2nd.
Hopefully they find a solution to the track layout, but planning something like that with limited options is always tricky
That guy is a mystery to me. An Indy winner and obviously a very talented driver that occasionally biffs it. I can't figure why he doesn't have a larger role/sponsor.
I think in your shoutouts you should've included Alexander Rossi in there. Had a really underrated race and kept it clean.
Just like his personality. 😂
David You're the first commentator that I heard all weekend not gush over being "in the shadows of RenCen", when GM is outta there and their CEO even mentioned DEMOLISHING it. Seriously.
Some one is going to the Montreal Grand Prix! We will be there.
Dammit @DavidLand91, @indyslotcar was looking forward to seeing you next weekend!
I’m wondering if the all night rain Saturday night washing the rubber off the track had something to do with all the dive bomb crashes. To add to that the tires didn’t look like they really ever came in even after the heat was in them. Being they were developed for the hybrid and the cars being 25 pounds lighter than they were last year at Detroit probably added to the crash problem and so many taking the runoff in those areas as well. Nobody including the drivers wants to see a 100 lap race run with 47 laps under yellow that had to be embarrassing for INDYCAR.
2:07 it felt like the ultimate reminder that CART/Champcar was absorbed into the IRL and not the other way around 😂💀 (yes, I know it was 16 years ago that they merged, but it felt like a 90s Indy Racing League race on a road course... or a Champcar race after 2001).
I think David made a great point why not have 2 races at Michigan speedway to see if it can really draw more fan support and move the Detroit race to Labor Day seems like a really good idea to me. Move Milwaukee to After the 500 slot like it used to be.
Perfect title. Well said. These tracks like San Jose, Baltimore, and Detroit are GHETTO AF. Racing is near impossible. It wasn't amazing watching these guys race as it usually is. It was cringy.
This was like watching a NASCAR truck race. I do not watch IndyCar regularly, and I'm trying to get more into it, so I really hope the races going forward are better.
Good comparison!
I was watching the highlights while visiting my parents and when my dad saw the driving standards over my shoulder he initially thought it was Formula E. IndyCar should be embarassed by that. In a sane world, multiple drivers would have been suspended for a race after that debacle.
Good report.
Equal cars and limited passing zones make for hectic starts and unnecessary crashes.
This street course seems even narrower than most others. There's no room for error - you're either on the track or into a wall.
I'm old enough to remember the Twin 200s at MIS. They should do that again.
David, can you shed some light on why IndyCar doesn't allow onboard starters? They have batteries to power the electronics, require a working reverse gear but don't require or allow onboard starters.
Agree 1000% David. I dunno maybe a thought. How about build a permanent racetrack in Detroit taking the best of the European and US tracks like COTA. Get INDYCAR, F1, NASCAR, IMSA etc to fund and hold races there……
16 races ...5 ovals....5 street....5 road.... and a required 100 mile dirt race with Silver crown cars ...double points = True national champion.... How of you would love to see Scott Dixon drive a dirt car !!!
As much as I would also love to see a mile dirt track on the schedule, it ain’t going to happen. Thank goodness Silver Crown has good car counts at the races and some incredible talent driving those cars. I wish David would cover more dirt track stuff.
@@chrisbynum4940 I know...but for sure Kyle Larson would love it. It's a shame. My other thought was if they corralled the guys for that dumb non-points race ...why not to do the same on the Indiana State Fairgrounds at the end of the season?
There's plenty of dirt racing series available not named "Indycar" if Larson prefers to do that. The series doesn't need to be something it's not for his benefit.
The program director on NBC is in love with Santino, when he punted Helio they acted as if he was a contender who was stuck on the wrong side of the luck coin. There's pumping up a guy to be the villian, but the reality is that Santino is just a douchebag who acts like the innocent wherever he has a run in with somebody.
He is IndyCar's Austin Hill
It was a s*** show. The race track is totally crap.
Which drivers don't punt others and act innocent? Grosjean, Power, Sato. Lots of guys do it often.
Ferrucci was in one incident today and finished top 10.
I mean he got wrecked lap 1, had a penalty, and still got another top 10
@@bobdole4432I’m sure he did this completely clean and didn’t end the races of any other drivers, right? Right?
@@schulzz1100just stop. He’s a fiesta competitor on a not-so-great team. You’re just piling on.
The standard of driving this year has been poor, most notably at Barber and now Detroit. I feel like the quality of the grid isn't as good as it used to be, I mean if you're having to fish a guy out who hasn't raced in Indy for 7 years, that's a really bad look. The yellow's last far to long it's so frustrating. I understand why they take a while on an oval but here it completely ruined the race and to have that portion of the race that was wet run under yellow is completely unacceptable. Restarting the race before turn 3 which is the only place you can overtake leading to some of the worst overtaking attempts I have ever seen must change for next year. And I have to point it out, why the hell was the person waving the green flag at the start of the race LOOKING IN THE COMPLETE WRONG DIRECTION?! If it wasn't for the person stood next to him he would have COMPLETELY missed the start. Can I use the word completely more in a paragraph I don't think so lol.
If indycar is insistent on coming here, they really should flip the weekends with Road America so that comes after the 500. It'll showcase to any potential new fans from the 500 the road racing prowess of these drivers, versus this amateur hour excuse of a track.
Lots of good yellow flag running only occasionally spoiled by green flag racing.
This was the worst Indycar race I have ever seen. Almost half under caution and very long commercial breaks on Peacock.
Bring back the Michigan Speedway to the Indycar schedule for a 500 mile race 😊
They can't do that even if they want to because NASCAR says no go.
@@scsmith4604when has NASCAR ever said no to that? They haven’t.
Track management has I'm pretty certain
Nascar owned
Even though Belle Isle wasn't the most loved track the layout was way better than we have now for this race
I appreciate your comments on Santino, like it or not he is a capable driver and does have star power. He keeps things interesting and I hope he becomes a force to challenge the top teams.
Spent all that time and $$ on the new podium and it’s not on TV.
It was the Chevrolet Detroit Grand Wrecking (for IMSA and IndyCar). The rain caution and pace laps during it ruined the race strategy. Michigan and Belle Isle would be so much better!
Those things force teams to think on the go and I like it. That's why Dixon always wins races like this
Or rather, the Chevrolet Destroy-it Grand Prix
Let’s bring back airport races, like Edmonton and Cleveland back in the CART days, these cars need some room to race.
And Montreal while they’re at it
In a comment on an Instagram post, I saw where the wife of one of the mechanics said that a big problem with this event is that after the grueling month at IMS, everyone is absolutely exhausted - the drivers, the mechanics, and everyone else. She said that they need a break. I realize that might be tough to swing with NBC as far as planning the schedule for the entire season - especially during an Olympic year - but I thought it was a point worth mentioning. Yes, the circuit design isn't very good, but it sounds as though that's not the only problem.
Yeah, unfortunately they need to have a back to back though
The weekend after Monaco is a break, and that is the oxygen Indy needs
But good point that these teams are human too and May is a real grind
@@GarbagePlateROC I just did a quick Google search, and it looks like the average annual salary for an IndyCar mechanic is $47,923 per year. Many make somewhere in the $41,000 to $57,000 per year range.
Note that this is not an official figure from the IndyCar website or anything, but given that similar numbers are popping on a bunch of different websites, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually pretty accurate.
Just thought I'd point that out.
@@GarbagePlateROC we are talking about mechanics
They make a pretty standard wage, and work 80hrs+ a race week
The wife is trying to keep a family together, relax dude
The 7 weeks they waste before the 500 is the problem! 🙃
@@Bill-yo6kwIndeed. And also in the fall because they are so afraid of football season.
I miss the Michigan Speedway!
Why did they choose to race here instead of Belle Isle, or even Milwaukee? As for the race itself, I counted 8 yellow flags, and 3 accidents on that narrow turn
4 Hondas in the Top 5 in GM's backyard. OUCH.
Not just GM's backyard, it's GM's FRONT DOOR
call the guy who designed te chicagos street course
LAND , IN NO WAY WAS THAT A RACE TRACK. I CANT BELIEVE THE GREAT R. PENSKI ALOWED THAT TO HAPPEN.
"...whether it was their fault or not, just yank 'em off the track. Park 'em!" Reminds me of what Robin Miller might say, lol! RIP RM
MIS is a pipe dream (anyone complaining about Detroit looking bad hasn't been to the Irish Hills in a quarter century) and there's been plenty of oval races post-Indy 500 since 1996 which did a whole lot of nothing for the sustainability of the sport. It is what it is. I'd prefer a better Detroit circuit or better officiating or both but we'll see what we get in 2025.
Looking forward to... (looks at Race Calendar)...FIA TCR Mid Ohio coverage next week.
What this race shows is that Scott Dixon is a professional racing driver and some of the others a just over- caffeinated yahoos!
It is mind boggling to me that Indycar follows up the spectacle and granduer that is the Indy 500 with this sideshow track. Like do Pocono or Texas or even Road America or Watkins Glen. What are they thinking??? Any new fans from the 500 will be super turned off
This race wouldn’t have been nearly as bad if the cars had starters. Most of those cautions wouldn’t have been cautions if the cars could refire themselves
As a Grosjean fan, this was heartbreaking. This track is an embarrassment to indycar and need to go. It simply makes the sport look like a farce.
Michigan should be right after Indy, and make it a bonus for the driver who has the most points in both. Call it the historic oval bonus or something.
From the greatest spectacle in racing to the greatest SH!÷ show in racing .
At least it was better than the Monaco GP (first lap crash and restart, after which they drove around the track as slowly as possible to conserve fuel, with *no position changes* among the top 10).
We need our Michigan stop the week after Indianapolis to be at MIS and add back Texas in late June or July as a night race and have our own in season tournament, "Triple Crown," of 500 mile superspeedway races. Treat the Indy 500 like the Kentucky Derby - use it and its history to lead into MIS and Texas. Use the intrigue of IMS to directly tie into MIS and then later Texas.
Just started watching Indy all the bad attitudes about Detroit is a real drag ! had a good time watching it and going to the qualifying
please bring michigan . back I went to many great race there . in the 1970s till the last one. . I still wish mario had won over nigel , love your show
Mario won in 1984. That was awesome the way he held off Tom Sneva.
47 caution laps in a 100 lap race.
Can’t wait to be at a real track (and my home track) next week at Road America
Watched this on a TV and the focus shifting was giving me a migraine lol. Gotta check the autofocus settings please I beg
I really enjoyed the race. The rain period added an unexpected element to the strategy and the slippery track after the rain was a chaotic element too. I liked seeing all the elements play out in this race. Was fun to watch.
This race should have been sponsored by MelloYello or the Yellow Corporation.
Milwaukee should follow up momentum of Indy like it did for years.
I’m sure if Penske still owned MIS we would be back there
Can’t wait
Couldn’t wait for this one after that shit show. Herta’s dad said it best during the broadcast. It was just a lottery
Belle Isle isn't coming back so forget it
We desperately need the Michigan oval back if they don't want to go back to Belle Isle, this track is dust
I watched on Indycar live and was astonished how many times the commentary went quiet because of a commercial break. How does anyone put up with so many commercial breaks?
It SUCKS
... and when they actually talk all of it sponsorship too.
Welcome back to the Sponsorship Grand Prix where currently the Sponsorship Car on Sponsorship tyres goes to the Sponsorship pitline picking up new Sponsorship tyres hoping to get the Sponsorship fastest lap by making a gap to the Sponsorship car behind as we can now see through the Sponsorship cam ...
Naturally some level of this is expected but Indycar is bonkers.
Milwaukee was always tradition after Indy. They need to race at two more super speedways per year. Maybe Texas and Michigan
I really miss racing at M.I.S.!
David spoke with Zak Brown and is covering F1 in Canada next weekend. Calling it now.
Outside of Long Beach, I detest street courses. Btw- Ferrucci is NOT a star. He has nothing to show for his aggression, other than being the least popular driver among the other drivers in the series.
I am a St Pete enjoyer.
I thought Newgarden had taken that away?
@@billymc2681 Newgarden actually has talent though.
He’s not the least popular by a long shot. You’re saying it doesn’t make it so.
Cry about it
So what series will David be covering next week? Formula One at Montreal, NASCAR at Sonoma? My money is that he’ll be covering the NHRA in Bristol. Maybe he’ll get an exclusive interview with Tony Stewart about why he’s chosen drag racing over NASCAR
I agree! Let’s go back to Michigan!
This is a prime example of why these cars don't work well on most street circuits! Just one opinion, while I don't feel that these cars are good on the 1 mile ovals, perhaps going back to Milwaukee the weekend after Indy might work. For what it's worth, I would suggest going to one of the larger permanent road courses (specifically Road America, Mid Ohio or Road Atlanta -- or even COTA) following Indy would provide a good balance and contrast. I just don't feel that this course is a good design for these cars. Further, IndyCar REALLY needs to come down hard on some of the STUPID driving, serious penalties (money AND points, or even suspensions!) to get people's attention!
David, great updates on Twitter all day. I was watching from turn 3 and was following your comments during the race.
I honestly think that the track design wasn’t the primary reason for so much poor driving today. FWIW I don’t love the track layout. But the drivers were overly aggressive in areas other than turn 3. And some just made unusual mistakes (what happened to Scottie Mac in turn 1)? Just lots of sloppy driving, missing braking zones, etc. There was some good hard driving at times, but mostly just sloppy.
Turn 3 looked like an online open lobby all day though. Even experienced drivers were WAY overshooting the braking zone and just torpedoing into other cars. So odd.
Noticed as the race progressed the stands appeared to thin out and not surprised with the number of yellows. . Cannot imagine the repair bills for many of the teams from all the carnage. Hope they can reconfigure the circuit to make it race worthy. A final thought would be to host an oval race after the 500.
Any roadblocks to moving Milwaukee back to early June?
I mean, it raining probably had something to do with it
So, I wonder about a few things. Andretti Global for Indycar is a Honda team that just did very well in Detroit. Andretti Global is an American team talking about a Cadillac engine that got turned down summarily by F1. Part of me wonders is if part of the Cadillac/Andretti Global F1 bid was to put pressure on Honda to stay in Indycar. Right now Honda owned GM on it's home turf - you can say it's not a "real race" but maybe this is part of how you keep Honda in Indycar. And if Andretti Global and Cadillac do really well if allowed into F1, Honda leaving Indycar makes it look like they just couldn't cut it in the series.
Also, I am glad to see some consistency in your criticism of street tracks. You said my city's track was bad before the race happened and Chicago delivered a good race for NASCAR. Chicago's streets are on a grid - the whole city is - it makes it really easy to get where you need to and you don't get lost in Chicago. Midwestern streets are bumpy because - Chicago and Detroit have more days below zero degrees in the winter than Indy due to geography. So, you don't really understand what the freezing and thawing process does to streets - it makes them far bumpier than anywhere else. But, Chicago like Long Beach is 2 and 1/2 lanes at it's narrowist and it isn't that narrow for very long stretches. Detroit is only 1 and 1/2 lanes wide for pretty long stretches. Chicago hates NASCAR because Lake Shore Drive is a critical artery through the 3rd larges city in the nation and shutting it down causes huge traffic implications on side streets and other expressway/highway routes. The upside is that the city does do paving before the race. The downside is that any other scheduled work to repair the roads used for the race is now blamed on "doing work for NASCAR."
I don't think people understand what it means for a city to shut down streets for a race. I think Detroit doesn't shut down it's really major streets and that is why it's so narrow. It looks like the part that 1 and 1/2 lanes wide is the up ramp for a parking garage. This creates elevation but it is an ugly part of the track and it's way too narrow.
You can say the Chicago street course is too narrow but it is very comparable to other successful street race courses. I would love to see Indycar in Chicago instead of NASCAR but NASCAR decided it wanted Chicago during COVID. They asked the city to scan our streets and did a virtual NASCAR race before they raced here. NASCAR chose this city and this racecourse - not the City. Maybe that's why it's successful.
It seems Detroit was designed for a specific corporate end and so the track design doesn't really matter.
Maybe Indycar fans need to stop trying to hold on to a past that is not longer tenable and try to figure out how to reshape their future in a better direction. Constructive criticism is useful - addiction to nostalgia and an inability to be creative in building a new future is deadly for this series. Maybe you're part of the problem. Maybe you should start looking at the streets of Detroit and suggesting a better track layout rather than just putting it down.
The two parts of Honda are independent of each other, well that's what was said when Honda announced it was leaving F1 for sustainability reasons while staying in IndyCar. So what happens in F1 really has no impact on IndyCar and vice versa. And no Andretti weren't summarily dismissed, they were told to come back when they actually had a Cadillac/GM engine which is apparently going to be 2028 at the earliest. A Renault customer team with the promise of an OEM engine some time in the future was not going to work. Of course they could always buy an existing team, assuming their pockets are deep enough.
Gotta have track width to have a decent street race. It's just common sense. Toronto and Long Beach are a lot alike with long front straights Lakeshore and Shoreline. The connecting portions have width in the kinks and they both have great hairpins. This Detroit circuit has none of that. The Nashville circuit didn't have that. So naturally you get bumper cars.