Have the WHEELS FALLEN OFF the Volkswagen ID Buzz?
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2023
- In this video we dive into the world of hippies and surfing... Well, not at £60,000 we don't. Must be the all electric VW ID Buzz. What's going on with this thing, is it working, or is it just another flop for Volkswagen like all their other electric cars? Let's snoop around in the UK owners group to find out #news #ev #volkswagwn
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Love the ID Buzz. Very 60's Hippy. Wow that's heavy man!! :0)
Its cool from 50 feet away, up close I have no doubt that it looks like garbage!
Of course I like the look of the vehicle, but it's the EV (Evil Vehicle) tag that I don't like.
There's a VW/Audi dealers at the end of my parents road, walked passed it today, had what I think was a used Buzz on the forecourt, £67k yep sixty seven grand!
Have you loved it enough to buy one ?
Groovy.
I think the only really good thing about the buzz, is being able to have a sleep in the back during the regular charge stops.😂
So long as you have a flame proof kipping bag.
Good point
a really loud smoke alarm in every space in the unit/
Do you really need a 12 hour sleep after driving just 80 miles. Or is the battery powered drivetrain just a pile of crap.
I really like the id buzz but I think that it has a very different target clients then the original one. The electric one is perfect for Uber and taxi but not for cross country hippies
Making a new version of the original cheap, lightweight, go anywhere, reliable, easy maintenance, camper vehicle, but making it none of those things was probably a bad idea. Just guessing?
That vehicle should have been slightly bigger and longer with better materials, aircon also in the back and windows that you could open. A backseat that would fold down flat, a smaller battery with greater capacity, better software and a much smaller price. Then you would have had a best seller.
This was produced by VW years ago. They called It Vw T4 multivan.
Diesel version with 80 liters fuel capacity and 1.000 kms range.
Its a bit like making a Mini that is anything but.
Repeating the same mistake they made when they rebooted the beetle. These are just aimed at the middle class, wannabe hippy market, consumerist, materialistic hippies for the 21st century who love to virtue signal about their environmental awareness and will still change their car every 3 years for fashion reasons and nothing else, and will not see the irony.
and if it is true to form, it will remind us why we hated getting stuck behind them on what would normally be a beautiful scenic drive down the coast. 🤣🤣🤣
I think it would be brilliant if they chucked an engine in it.
It would be great if Ukrainians could send an Abrams over to clear them,might be illegal though, find some way of fitting emergency charge. No pre 1968 caterpillar dozer could start without a donkey engine
what?@@anthonyberry9132
The electric part is fine.
The stupid Vag group software is not. It dosen't remeber sqat. Switch a couple of things, open the door and close it and the damn thing resets it self. Even basic stuff like bluetooth can be switched like any phone this day through the drop down menue, but open door and the stupid vw enginers have decided it should reset. Same with every assist system.
The radio channels are hiden in some sub menue and it pops back to defualt screen after a short time. The hvac is hidden in a sub menue. It sometimes takes 1-2 minutes of driving before the stupid touch screen has booted.
@@IceeeenThe electric part is not. Neither is the rest. Stop carrying water for electrification
Agree. They should have done with all of the VW range the option of hybrid or full electric
One benefit of being poor is that I don't have these problems. Our main car is a Škoda Superb Diesel estate, which we purchased 2 years ago for the grand sum of £6,000. Our second car is a Toyota Aygo purchased 3 years ago for £2,500. So, not much money to lose there. Happy days👍
I’m thinking not so much poor, but smart👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
You're obviously too happy with your affordable, reliable cars. The government will soon be over to confiscate them.
No happiness allowed.
The average person can't afford a new electric car. But there are some great used bargains and, within 5 years, the price of EVs will be cheaper than equivalent petrol cars. And it'll cost less to run, especially once repair shops switch to bring insurance prices down. EVs will be the smart option within 5-10 years for those with normal incomes.
Back in the day I had three Beetles, fantastic cars with bags of character, simple fun. Also had a Midget and a 2CV. I really think there's a market for super basic cars, with the bare minimum of electrics. Too much (expensive) superfluous technology is ruining motor bikes too.
Just buy a mark 2 Mondeo estate, cheap as chips, reliable and good ground clearance plus I'm 6'3" and I can sleep in it no problems. Amazing cars for less than £1000.
Agree, That's why the Tenere 700 ADV Bike is so popular ,just a basic low cost simple reliable bike , also love all my old simple farm tractors
Wish I'd have kept my MK2 escort from back in the day 😢
I had a v dub beetle that was so basic that it didn't even have a fuel gauge just a little red light that was supposed to come on when down to the last 5 liters but usually came on just as you ran out 😊❤
"Too much (expensive) superfluous technology is ruining motor bikes too." BMW have been on this game for years, push button suspension that would stop working and cost a fortune to fix. I now ride an Interceptor, you can't get much simpler than that.
Wonder how long it would be before you need a HGV license to drive an EV.
they are just upping the license max the weight limits
I wouldn't be surprised they will also have to take a licence for driving a minibus soon as in recent news there are calls to make those driving minibuses of a certain weight to undertake a test to drive them after a incident happened around 15 years ago where school children died due to the teacher driving not being totally in control of a minibus. It could happen and these things are pretty much in the heavy minibus weight category.
A risk assessment might not be a bad idea 😂
And firefighter training? 🤔
The new GM Cadillac escalade weighs 3.8 tonnes, you would need a C1 licence to drive that over here.
I've been driving VW vans/busses for 40-odd years. I liked the sound of the ID Buzz so went to my local VW for a squint. I was disappointed to find that it was almost twice the price of the T6, was smaller and flimsy. The interior was cheap and nasty. The payload is too low. My motorcycle wouldn't fit inside etc. etc. There is no way I'd buy one.
Basically if you can't fit a bike in it, it's gone.
Wasn’t meant for you. That’s fine, just buy the Mercedes e-sprinter. Oh you probably have more words than you have money anyway.
@@rcpmac You have no idea about my financial situation, but I can see by your comment that you are an unpleasant person.
If it's meant to be like a VW camper why would you expect to put a motorbike in the back? That's a really dumb criticism, I mean that, it's silly to get excited about something like the buzz for what it was marketed as then find out it's not a massive haulage vehicle. FFS
Not in Germany it appears they have tanked big time and now want a UK bail out !
Very simple problem, it's way too expensive. WAY too expensive.
My late partner bought our Edition 25 Caravelle at a knocked down price (ex demonstration) yet it only had 19 miles on the clock. It's now 11 years old and still worth more than half than what he paid. I love it and would never swap it for ID Buzz.
A campervan you can only use in heavily urban areas 😂
Agreed because in this case range is an issue for me. I'd want this Buzz for long trips around the country, and I would have to stop 8 or more times powering up just to get to Colorado on vacation. I wouldn't buy a large vehicle like this for local EV commuting. The usage and range don't work out. I will likely get a smaller economy car EV as urban commuter. Like the look of the Buzz, hope someday there is more range.
@@kristinaczajka1868 Top big brains have solved the range issue...put an engine in it 👌 🤯 😆
I'm worried about sleeping at night with an electric vehicle charging outside my bedroom window, so if you think I'd spend the night in a Buzz that could possibly auto lock itself then setting on fire, well my friends you are sadly mistaken
You say typing on your lithium powered phone that I’m guessing isn’t on fire?! 😂🙈
@@max_mcmurdo You can throw that out of the window.
@@andrewsarchus6036 you know ICE vehicles are 30 times more likely to catch fire right?!
haha ha @@max_mcmurdo as May would say what a cock! its a plugged in tower and monitor
@@max_mcmurdoyou obviously have never done a risk assessment with that comment.
Can't they just re-enginner the Buzz to take a cleanish Petrol engine? I would buy one then. Come on VW.
Deisel, surly
Its built on the dedicated MEB platform thats for EV's - so no, you can't just re-engineer it. You'd have to design a whole new vehicle
I saw my first one yesterday, parked up in Hove. It was yellow and white. Until I watched this video I didn't know it is an EV nor anything else about it. I must be one of the few people who think it is "butt ugly", along with Tesla's and many other new vehicles.
I disagree with Geoff on the cyber truck it looks awful. My brother has the Hot Wheels version of it and it looks terrible in toy car form.
Neither of those 2 are as fugly as the Honda E!
you are not alone in your views . Tes;as are awful looking
YES ! And my 9 year old Peugeot Partner Teepee's new version is also classed as an LGV with speed restrictions applicable ! You can't make it up...someone is having a laugh...but not the saleswoman I walked out on !
Teepee's new version is also classed as an LGV - you're having a laugh? - pls tell me this is a joke
For a few years it's like some companies/councils have voluntarily done this already, Vauxhall Combos/Fiat Doblos etc. with a "56 mph" sticker on back. Must be HATEFUL to have a van that small and easily capable of doing more than 70mph safely, be pegged to a low top speed like that!
Personalised number Plates will be good for ANPR car parks as long as they are not registered and you stick them over your real plates before parking 😁
Geoff likes 2 different electric vehicles in the same video 😮 even my dog looked shocked.
We aren't all anti EV.... there's Allways one or two that tickles our fancy...even us Pro ICE folks
Weight and braking test standards are lower for commercial, and there is no requirements to meet later saftey test like the Elk test, and others that scuppered the original A-class mercs, which needed traction control to be retro fitted
I'm going to buy a vw buzz when they get around 5 grand , so maybe next year i will be treating myself
If the Buzz is built on a similar production line as the ID3 then the cars are built in batches. Dealers had to order their stock of cars or not get an allocation. Cupra did this with the Born in 2022 with dealers getting 15 cars each but they had to spec them if no one had placed an order. Prices were high due to lack of supply.
The weight issue is hilarious. It means that if you put 4 hefty passengers inside and add the shopping, you're over the 3500KG limit applied in lots of roads, car-parks etc etc. Furthermore, drive on in Austria and (unless they've changed the rules) you'll have to fit a Go-Box tracker at the border and pay per mile like an HGV. Marvellous idea! Not.
They take weight the total allowed weight.
Not how much it's weighs at that specific moment.
When the vehicle weighs 3000 kilo's, and it's allowed to carry 400 kilo's in the back,
they don't look at how much the passengers weight.
So it's legally still under 3500 kilo's.
I think the manufacturer wanted to stay under the 3500 kilo limit.
In Germany you have to pay the toll also above 3500 kilo's.
And you also need a drivers license to drive a truck.
@@scorchedearth1451 That's certainly not the case in the UK. Here, especially with a 'commercial vehicle' (which the van is) you'll be put on a weigh-bridge and the total weight of the vehicle measured. That's including everything and everyone in the vehicle at that time - plus anything being towed etc. It's one of the big issues with the
They increased this years ago, all your info is out of date like everything on this channel.
@@craigix Yes, mind you, the increase only applies to EVs. Funny. That 3500kg limit was put in place for safety but, mysteriously, EVs are apparently not affected by the laws of physics in a collision so the weight limit can safely be raised.
Geoff, I've never been a fan of the VW camper things, but agree with you that the Buzz looks really cool- especially in the two-tone paint scheme.
Anyhow, if the value of these plummet enough, they 'd make ideal donor vehicles for UPGRADING with a petrol or diesel engine? Just thing how light it would be without all that dangerous shit on board. Use the lecky motor to build a wind turbine, or supercharge your vacuum cleaner. The battery might present a challenge, controlled detonation by the Bomb Squad perhaps before it burns your garage down, or bury it in your garden?
Haha yeah would be great with 1.9 tdi and a 75 litre fuel tank
Might be like a land mine if you buried it or perhaps a UXB!!😂😂😂
😂😂😂 great ideas👍
They are safer than diesel or petrol you clown. If you want to prove me wrong, douse yourself in petrol and smoke a fag.
Have a look at Steve and Lindsay (The Roaming Radfords) they each have a Tesla and a huge motorhome, in addition they own a Buzz and have looked to get it converted to a day van but many conversation companies have shelved plans to make the interiors primarily due to payload issues, no payload left after converting so very limiting
To paraphrase the woman, at the ambassador’s party, in the Ferrero-Rocher advert, “Monsieur, with these videos, you’re really spoiling us”.
Great car , looks fantastic. The only problem is that it desperately needs an engine. Please VW make an engine an option, I am sure your sales would take off and values continue in true VW fashion.
Much appreciated, thank you. Seen only one ID Buzz here in town, a commercial van for window cleaners. Got to say, the numbers are interesting, from pricing to the weight of this particular, battery-powered van. Thank you kindly Geoff, looking forward to the Welsh roadtrip with Lee! Will the 'EVO triangle' or something similar, be on the itinerary? 😊
Registering vehicles, and then selling them as ‘demos’ is one way they are inflating EV sales numbers. Manufacturers then give dealers incentive checks for selling so many.
Agriculture machinery dealerships do this and is always makes tractor sales look good around September time because all of the unsold tractors are registered and sold as used or ex demonstration machines. Like the car trade there are also plant machinery companies who will buy tractors, excavators and other plant machinery for hire purposes on mass making the sales figures look good.
Used to have to be a demo for 3 months minimum back 20 yrs ago when I was at VW. Other than that it’s pre reg, demos get discounts. Pre reg is just the dealer registering vehicles to meet dealer volume bonus
Just a final thought, so having got bogged down at your festival or campsite how do you get recovered? They don't like being towed so your average 4x4 tug or tractor is no good, flat bed recovery truck as recommended would also get stuck.
Just an observation!
The Genius of Colin Chapman: "Simplify, then add lightness” - the Buzz is simply the opposite.
Geoff and Lee really are the new Top Gear 🔥🔥
Don't make me laugh
Maybe the better alternative to the new top gear?
Which isnt saying much, watching paint dry is better than the new top gear
I worked in sales at a VW site pre and post the New Beetle launch and that went from frantic customers with £500 deposits to “get on the waiting list” pre launch to some cancellations later (plenty of sales too) It peaked very quickly and the cab was a cool looking car (actually had one myself with my own money recently) but it wasn’t long before stock levels were higher than customers levels. It happens to everything but cars and car manufacturers are excellent at creating the desire to purchase. Not a rich person by any stretch but even if I was I wouldn’t rush in to be an early adopter of any car.
How does its braking distance from 60mph say compare with an equivalent ICE powered camper? At that weight, I certainly wouldn't want to be rear-ended by one.
Bad news you have 30+ ton vehicles all over the roads look out😮
@@boogboog8097 Hence the soon-to-be-everywhere 20mph limit I heavily suspect.
Yes right there Geoff it seems they are 3000kg. How can they be that heavy, is it all that electricity???
They aren't 3000Kg, thats the max permissible weight. They are actually 2500Kg, which hardly lightweight but not too much more than a large modern SUV such as an Urus (2200Kg), Toureg (2100Kg) or BMW X7 (2500Kg)
Yup you’re right - read the wrong paragraph. Still bloody heavy though!
@@chrisaris8756 Yeah, it is. I have a friend with one here and it's a great car. He's planning to drive it to germany soon (from central norway).
Geoff, 2kW vehicle to load is an adaptor you can plug into the vehicle charge port that allows you to run normal 240v electrical appliances off it up to a maximum load of 2000w I.e. a standard kettle. Great for camping.
How many kettles can you boil before you empty the battery?
@@The_Reality_Filter Rought calculation: 2kWx5min=0.167kWh; 77Kwh battery =>77/0.167=462 kettles boiled ;-)
So what your saying is it would be more use as a power pack for kettle than a van🤣@@ajward137
So when I got my transporter I test drove it for half a day and only when I signed on the dotted line did they tell me about the commercial aspect and associated speed limits.
Still love it. Apparently if they’re under 2 tonne they are not commercial - mines an automatic so it is.
The LWB version of the Buzz that the US are getting looks like a huge improvement over the SWB Euro version but I don't suppose the software will be any better.
This would have been a perfect application of a PHEV drivetrain ! Pity Dumkopf Diess screwed up the company. 😮
I don't think it's the body or looks of the buzz, it's the running gear if it was powered by a traditional engine either petrol or diesel or even hybrid it would probably be a different story as it would be cheaper than the utterly useless EV version. So in the future you will be seeing the EV systems ripped out and a ice engine put in
I suspect that sort of money would fetch a respectable 21-window job that would be an appreciating asset.
I love my ID-Buzz Cargo, two tone OVO. I converted to a camper, 12,000miles into a road trip I just love the thing. Yes the software is annoying, but it’s smooth, fun and full of character.
They can’t be selling well because from the Uk the Crete and halfway back I’ve seen about 8 max, people look at you like you just cruised buy in a spaceship, I love it. I’m sleeping surrounded but snow in the Alpes right now.
Ohhh and what’s the worst country for charges ??? Yep you got it England.
Still love it though
I love the ID Buzz; I'm so happy that there are people out their prepared to buy one.🤣
oh you meanie!
So summing up a typical EV. A higher environmental impact during the production, purchase cost is considerably higher than an ice vehicle. Parts such as tyres and brakes wear quicker and cost more to replace, the range is realistically 200 miles, takes hours to charge and if using public chargers they are very expensive then you'll be lucky to get 10 years before scrapping the vehicle. Tell me how these vehicles are good for the environment and our wallets?
If you’re stuck behind one in traffic, it won’t be pouring a poisonous cocktail of carcinogenic gases into your lungs and your children’s lungs, that’s how.
@@djb730 but it's okay for a kid in Africa to be down a mine digging by hand for ev battery minerals?
@@djb730completely negated by ICE stop/start.
@@zorbathegreek192 Elon: Hi, is that Africa? Africa: Yeah, what’cha want? Elon: I wanted to buy some chemicals to make batteries. Africa: Can’t help, we’re busy. Elon: Oh shoot. Africa: (thinks) ‘hmm wait, I just had an idea, we can finally use those kids for something. WHY DID I NEVER THINK OF THIS BEFORE’. - (speaking) Yes sir, actually we just had a great idea that somehow or other, never ever occurred to us ever in the whole of history before your phone call. Elon: err, thanks
@@gaycha6589 the problem with stop/start is the ‘start’ part of it.
I don't know why someone would complain about their tyres only lasting 30k miles.
I had an e39 M5 for about 20 years. The back tyres would wear down to the steel belt in 6000. And no I didn't do burnouts and hardly ever chirped them.
I did learn to conserve them, but then the car was a pain to drive because had always be thinking about how much throttle to use.
I was excited about these. Having looked around one at the Baston Car Show I'd say it was more the size of the Caddy than a T6.
It would really sell well with a TDI power unit, whilst simultaneously losing about a ton in weight….
I also love how people slag off Range Rovers as being unwieldy behemoths, yet they are about half a ton lighter than this cuddly little retro-Kombi…
I’d love this 1/3rd lighter with a TDi
I'm always surprised how small they are, whenever one has pulled up alongside me. Especially how heavy they are. They do look great, though. Little bit of a wink back to the classic split windscreen VW campervan.
It's a tough market. You see a lot of Nissan env200s on the road, they are reasonably priced, been out a decade or more, nice looking van too. However, sales apparently were not good enough, and Nissan discontinued it - probably the best selling EV small van on the road.
Discontinued?? The Nissan e-NV200 has a RRP range of £23,903 to £35,035. However, on carwow prices for a new Nissan e-NV200 start at £29,446 if paying cash. The price of a used Nissan e-NV200 on carwow starts at £16,295.
@@CosmicSeeker69 It was discontinued in 2022. This is a fact, please Google it or go to Nissan's website. I thought you would have checked before posting.
It will be replaced by the Townstar, but production levels will be much reduced, and a higher number of the petrol variant, over the EV variant, will initially be manufactured.
I'd also be wary of buying any existing env200s, unregistered or delivery mileage, as the proprietary Chademo rapid charging system has also stopped support at many rapid charging stations, and will become obsolete within the next five years or so. Fine, if you don't mind waiting 5-6 hours at least, to charge in future. But probably game over for a business user, or campervan. The vast majority of owners.
EVs are a bit like mobile phones, at the moment. Rapid changes, that become obsolete, with decaying batteries, that never reach their full lifetime, just getting thrown into landfill after a few years, with little residual value. Not very "green".
I'm also getting a large number of used env200s on auto trader around the £4-5K mark, too. I'm not sure anything in that reply panned out.
I have heard they are selling some of those small Nissan ENV vans for around £1,000 used. Sadiq Kahn is probably buying them all up for his ULEZ vans.
e-NV200 is just being replaced with the Townstar EV.
@@TC-V8 Is there an echo in here?
Did the Nissan CEO not say that this was due to disappointing sales?
I think you've got some split hairs there. It's sometimes better to just admit one is wrong, and move on. The Townstar is not a badge change - both the Petrol and EV versions, particularly the EV, are quite different technology upgrades (and especially when one quoted specifically the env200 brand, and is only aware this was discontinued when told).
I used to go to VW shows like VW Action and VW Northwest, the BUZZ seems to have left VW! When Action was at the Royal agricultural show ground, Stoneleigh, VW actually had a huge marquee selling parts and showing all their adverts from over the years! It was good then.
I'm trying to use my imagination here, but someones got to help me out. If this new recreation vehicle had been designed from the outset to be driven by a 2 ltr i ICE, Would it have been a runaway (not thermal) siccess?
it's not what those unelected and unregulated ppl at the WEF want though - is it?
Seeing how Transporters with the 2.0 TDI are quite popular, I'd say yes to that!
What’s the range on an ID Buzz? Can’t see it being useful as a camper unless the range is high. Road-trips are what the California is all about isn’t it ?
I was very tempted by a Buzz, because I want a small electric camper, and have been waiting since about 2016 for such a thing. I even test-drove one (car version) but it's a bit small even for us as well as very expensive. Currently waiting for the extra space, bigger batt and bidirectional charging of the LWB version. But it looks like one should still wait another year for the excitement to wear off and get a s/h one for a hell of a lot less money. I'm only going to rip it all apart and camperise it so having it pristine is pointless expense. But 'fairly new' is good as it's a lot of work and I expect to use the thing for at least a decade.
I remember buying a Merc V220 from a Merc car dealership with tables and rotating chairs, curtains etc a would be nice to have car. The Air suspension failed and the car dealership refused to deal with it telling me it was a van, the commercial Van dealership refused to deal with it saying that I bought it from a car dealership. I had to talk to Mercedes Milton keynes HQ as a intermediary. I am sure that the quote I got to repair it was a protest quote at £6000 which was a lot of money back then and a big % of the cost of the vehicle. I went to a garage in Swindon who put some spring shocks on it to £500 and vowed never to buy a Merc: Partly because it started rusting after 3 years from new.
I have seen a few of these BUZZs in Van and passenger car, they look quite small to me. I want an F150 lightning that does grid to home, not sure if allowed in the UK.
The Buzz is a sassy looking beast, only problem is that it's an EV.
We see videos of companies converting ICE vehicles to EV, will we be seeing companies converting Buzz vans to ICE?
Could be a market for this. 😅
That's because it's nothing more than a jumped up people carrier.
They've tried to cash in on the 'Camper' style trend, but made something that's smaller (internally), less useful and bonkersly expensive in its place.
It's tiny inside, even compared to my Splitty, which in itself is the smaller of all the 'buses'.
Let's not forget that the original split screens were a 'van' before they were a camper. Same goes for the Bay Window, Wedge, the T4 and T5.
My old T4 has done 475.000 miles and is still going. Lets see one of these get to those heady heights.
Hey Geoff, I was literally born in a VW MIcrobus 65 years ago, during a military coup, in a country close to Thailand. I do love Microbuses
Vehicle to load is when you can plug your power cord into the front of your vehicle and use it as a backup battery. 2 kilowatts is roughly what you would get out of a standard 230V household power outlet.
Was just about to say the weight is probably the reason - electric batteries weigh quite a bit
According to google & VW: Kerb weight in kg = 2,353 including driver
That's about the same as a Series 2 Discovery.
It's UNDER the 3500kg EU "personal vehicle" limit for a nomral Class B license.
There are loads of them here in Norway, also registered as commercial vehicles with green instead of white number plates, meaning they have to be reg'd to a company, and have a max of 3 seats.
The reason for that is probably because they cost NOK550k, and as a 4+ seater the tax takes that up to closer to nok700k (about 65,000 GPB).
VW spec 3000 kg Gross
65,000 GBP and the lives of about a dozen african children
@@user-em6vi6sj7p Hilarious nonsense ... well done!
Hi Geoff I have 2022 204 dsg highline volkswagan transporter kombi camper ,this was my 1st ever brand new vehicle, and this way no way a cheap purchase, I absolutely love it. I too love the look of the ID BUZZ but it's way over priced for what it is ,how ever if they had offered a 4 motion diesel version it could have easily have been parked on my driveway right now .I'd love for you to do a comparison video between the t6.1 204 ps dsg transporter against the 204 ps ID BUZZ on a road trip again to see which vehicle wins out 🤟
I recently bought a 2009 VW T5 1.9TDi. Love it. Spent some money customising it but it is the nicest of things to drive and I can rest in the back if I need to. Like the look of the Buzz but that is where it ends for me. Oh and my van is registered as a motorhome so I can legally do car speed limits too.
If the ID Buzz came with a VR6 engine and 6 speed stick on the floor, I would consider buying one.
Range anxiety is the last thing you want when you're out chilling for a few days in your buzz.
I think they look amazing, and would buy one at the right price. Needs to drop a fair bit first. If it fails like the old Renault Avantime, then could be some very cheap ones soon. I bought an Avantime for £12k; down from £30k 17 months before when new! Thinking about it, an Avantime would make a great EV conversion!
Its a pity VW doesnt realize most people want the old split screen body. I owned a 1969 transporter for abtout 18 years, loved my bus, what a legend, cruising through a busy intersection with total break failure and not hitting anything. Engines blowing without warning, ususlly far from any assistance She was special, what times, places what sights she saw and faces sadly missed.
So if they are 3t curb weight, if you put 4 fatties in you are breaking the law?
they are three ton gross, but the payload is only around 500kgs so yeah not for a load of campers and tents and cooking and food for four fatties. never mind the cases of beer.
Voltswagen!
Do they have a special size tyre like the caddy? Those are more expensive, so an EV one with softer rubber will be even costlier.
Not much use as a camper if all that weight makes you sink on campsites.
Do campsites have charge points? Would you sleep in it while it charges?
Just asking!!
I owned a Caddy, it was a pile of shite that had to be recovered roughly twice a year, so much for VW reliability! I'll never own a VAG product again.
I don't recall the tyres being odd sized though or particularly pricey
Good point about sleeping in it whilst charging! Blimey don't think I would...
Thanks for the page mention Geoff however I looked back and can't see the dealer listings you suggested are on our page V W I D Buzz Owners Club UK. I also have an I D 3 and I think the operating system was best described referring to the I D 3 as "a great car but not necessarily a great EV" By EV Musings pod cast
I used to have a T2 'split' and it was great but being light if you 'moved about' on the bed the van rocked, having heavy batteries in the buzz will stop that, ha ha.
My van had hinged side doors that you can make into the sink/cooker, can't do that with the later sliding doors. Have you seen a well maintained/renovated 1500cc bus can cost almost as much as a second hand id buzz ?
I’ve owned a Buzz for 8 months now and it’s far and away the best car I’ve ever owned. …. And I’ve owned a LOT of very good cars from BMW and Merc..
I ordered a buzz cargo a while back after talking to a couple of owners , they had a couple of things that could be improved but on the whole they really liked it , I’ve got a t6 high line at the moment which I still really like, but I just love the look of the buzz
Me too! I do really like them
Very interesting point (which I didn't know) that they are all classed as commercials. We own a 2019 Transporter T6 Shuttle - which is taxed and classed as a diesel estate car. So £185 (or whatever it is now) standard car road tax and 70mph on dual carriageways with a central reservtion etc - not 60mph for the identical vehicle if it were a van! Our T6 is a T32 rating for weight so not sure how much it weighs is the factor here.
I live not far from a VW dealership in Bristol. My commute takes me pass the dealership and often I’m sat in traffic outside it. Not a day goes by when I see one of these arriving on the back of a recovery flatbed. Or a few parked outside on a recovery truck waiting for a space for vw to store it. I also saw one smashed up which was wonderful.
Costco are currently advertising the Buzz with a £4K off discount for their members.
I met a guy on holiday who lives in the Derby Peak District who bought an electric VW van for his business. The Peak District obviously is very hilly and when he goes out in his fully loaded van he often worries about getting home due to the loss of mileage when fully loaded negotiating the terrain.
so this has been my arguement with the enforcement gustapo (TRAFFIC POLICE) for quite a while... I have always owened a meduim panal van, mostly the 'DISPATCH' range, and they are produced under different badges... So, there is the citron Dispatch, which is the same as the Peugout EXPERT, or the same as the Toyota Proace. ETC, you get my point. however, these body shapes are made into, lets say the JUMPY, which is a 7 seater car... So as a panal van I am restricted to 60mph on duel carrigeways and motorways, but as a JUMPY, those restrictions don't apply, and is able to cruise at 70mph on said roads, but it is the same chasis size, the same wheelbase, the same in everything other than the amount of glass inserted into the panels
I'm sure the cost of the traction battery accounts for the high price of the vehicle. It would be interesting to know what the cost of a replacement battery would be including fitting - and will Halfords be able to do it while you wait?
I think most people miss the point and all the articles that are out recently about how “EV demand plummeting” doesn’t understand how much interest rates are gutting sales this year. The auto sector compared to real estate does fluctuate the purchase price in relation to the interest rate. Record high purchase prices and interest rates will have a limit to what people can afford.
Wheres the xmas jumper 🤔🌲
Another great vid Geoff👍
we have a standard 5 seater in plain white and love and live it❤
Yes it cost a bit but it is so versatile like my old T2 was that i had in the 80is
Transport of any stuff going for trips with my mountain bike ..
sleeping in it , travelling peacefully and listening to to music... my wife does twice a week a 80 mile round trip carpool.
I do not care about the weight ... it rolls smooth and ffs i do not have to lift it😮
10k on the clock 20kw per 100k
Software is average with a few glitches but after a while one gets used to it.
The new lower prices are a bit of a disappointment but it doesn't spoil the party 🎉
My wife never loved a car before... she is happy as "Larry"
The problem with the Buzz, is that it is designed for longer journeys, it is not a commuter vehicle, therefore you need charge at premium rates once your home charge has run out. Fast charger prices make it more expensive than ICE vehicles and also suffers from the inconvenience.
The thing with the ID Buzz. It weighs 3t then when you add driver,4 passengers,then their luggage,it will take you upto 3.5t commercial vehicles
Its probably more likely registered as a commercial vehicle because its based on a Van and commercial vehicles have lower safety requirements than normal passenger vehicles. Ford did the same thing with the F150pickups. I remember it being mentioned years ago by top gear when they reviewed the old f150 (V8) lightning many years ago.
Just for info. On road tax, from 2026 on, this buzz would cost you 130 euro per month in the Netherlands...
In the UK a 40 year old Transit or VW van, etc would cost zero road tax
I love the concept of the id buzz. It's great. Unfortunately I am not in the position to purchase one, even with the prices plunging. However if I could buy one, I think ultimately I would be put off by the interior. The white upholstery that they all seem to come with, is not exactly lifestyle friendly. At least not my lifestyle.
It would irritate me every time I climb in to see the stylish seats being soiled by grubby hands and feet, along with detritus from pastries and crisps.
I don't deserve nice things!
there are also big discount on them in Denmark, brand new gets around 10K euro off. Maybe its just to clear stock before new motor with more power and better efficience?
Hi Geoff, my local Skoda dealership has a 73 plate ID Buzz for £57,000 on their frontage.
A lot of Camping Site have grass pitches, rather than hard standing, so a 3 ton vehicle will sink into the ground and you wil have fun gettingit off the pitch I backed my Hyundai I 30 on to the grass and it dug it's wheels into the ground up to the axles.
Yet to see one with surf boards on top, but there’s about 5 in my town all driven by wealthy kept women,
It's the cost, the range, the problems, the higher risk of being written off, the suitability and I'm that will be a growing list....
One YT video stated that there is only about 600kg payload weight to play with when converting the ID Buzz van variant - not a lot of leeway to fit in two people, food/water and the fixtures/furniture normally fitted into van conversions. Not sure I'd feel comfortable sleeping on top of something that could ignite/explode without warning...
Should have been a hybrid. Great video.
Vw doubled down on Hybrids they were trying to play environment after diesel gate
Cosco is also doing a discount on the Buzz offer as well.
I don’t Know about Britain but in New Zealand we drive on beaches, sometimes for tens of miles (“Ninety Mile Beach” for example).
If that VW is intended as a surf wagon I don’t see it getting any traction here.
Thing that gets me about electric cars is it’s been done before 130 years ago and it never worked then just like it doesn’t work now so do they persist. Is it so they can push climate change which it does quite often four seasons and all that. To put it bluntly I wish it would hurry up cause the summer we’ve just had was rubbish it was warmer in the autumn great vlog 👍
When the latest Bug/Golf came out I hurried to our nearest VW dealer 2 hours away, yep I was getting a brand new bug and nothing was going to stop me, then I drove it. It kind of resembled a bug of my youth and to be truthful it was probably twice the car the 74 beetle of my youth was, but all the things that made the original so wonderful we’re gone, no whirling boxer 4 noise, no engine in the rear and spare and trunk up front, no smell of gasoline or the feel of cable operated everything and leavers that were supposedly connected to a heater somewhere, but I never ever felt any heat, no Queen Led Zeppelin or Elton John in the tape player, no best friend Mike riding shotgun and keeping a eye out for chicks. The Beetle of my youth like my youth was gone for good, no matter how good or bad this EV van is it can’t come close to being the original and that breaks my heart😏
I sat in the US 3 row version at the LA Auto show. To my surprise It can fit a 7ft driver, a 6'8 dude in the left 2nd row and a 6'3"dude in the left 3rd row. Everyone had plenty of head and leg room. The glass roof gives a lot of head room. If you have a tall family, It's got the room. (Im the 6'8" dude)
I wanted one when they were coming out to replace our T5 but the price was just too much for what you get. I went for a Ioniq 5 with AWD and nearly all the kit for around 52k € after incentives. The size is fine for us 4 plus dog due to the trailer hitch and the box you can put in there.
I had a Buzz for a week and it drives nicely and peoples reaction is positive on the street but the missing 360 camera killed that car in particular for me. Would I get one 2nd hand for a good price? Well there's a price for everything. I can't really say a lot bad stuff about it as a car except for price and missing features.
I think the Kia EV9 will give the Buzz a run for its money
It’ll definitely give it a run for it’s depreciation 😂
Vehicle to load means you can use the EV battery as a mains power source, via an adapter. Effectively you turn your car into a generator. Some of the Kias do it.
It would be a winner if they put an internal combustion engine in it.
Yup
At least the Buzz has a kitchen and bed in the back for those charging sessions 😅
So its a kind of 4 wheel prison van