Brilliant! I can't tell you how many screw holes were in my old benchtops ! Had to constantly replace or re-face them. I've since gone mobile and will be ordering those items if available in the US. Thanks again Peter! You're the best!
Stop arrived today and I’ve managed to use it and for the price it’s great. Needs a little silicon spray to free the movement a little but I’m chuffed. I use a Makita track and saw and I need to get the track cut a little shorter to use on top of my MFT more comfortably , so I’ll be looking to get it laser cut. Bench dogs do a good job in holding everything thing square but it’s no Festool hinged job. There’s another after market opportunity for someone 🤪👍🏻👍🏻
this is what I was thinking too, maybe side hinge system for track that runs off the back of the extrusion, creating a similar flip up and down square set for the rail and extrusion like Peter has on his older MFT bench.
Thanks. Building a new workbench and love this idea... so I ordered a set from Benchdogs. Here in Australia the 1 meter 2040 extrusion was $18... so a great idea at a reasonable price.
Thanks Peter for an excellent vidéo. Just recently made an MFT top to fit a Kreg bench. Just what I needed for using with my Festool TS55. Order delivered from Bench Dogs today. Keep up the excellent presentations
I switched to a similar but taller extrusion for my router table fence a couple of years ago. I can't believe I struggled for so long with the silly split fence it came with. Tall fence needed? Bolt on an auxiliary fence (I use Buffalo board, slippery side to the workpiece). You're dead right about how useful it is, especially with sliding stops, and you could even use a scale, indexed against the back edge of the saw's own rail. That's a brilliantly useful video - many thanks Peter (off to the e-shops for me, I think!).
Wow that's awesome. I never thought of that. Here in the US one of the main distributors of aluminum profiles is a company called 80/20 Inc. I have a 25x75 profile made by them which gives me 3 t-slots on the 75 mm side. I use it for a fence for my drill press as well as a router sub fence which gives me tons of options for mdf sacrificial fences as tall as I want them to be or lay it flat on the drill press and I have better control of small pieces and more clamping options. I also bought two 36 inch long profiles that for the slots so I can cut them to custom sizes as I need them. Amazing products and now I see even more use. I need to order a 6 or 8 foot long profile for my table
Thanks! Yes, unfortunately 80/20 isn’t widely available over here - I know it was very popular with US Festool fans back when they made the original MFT1080, as the profile was the same, and huge MFT tops were relatively easy to make at a great saving on the Festool prices! 👍👍
i've just bought my extrusion and bench dog fence dogs, along with the bench dog fence stop in metal v3 version :) - I am intending on using some adhesive rule along the centre section of extrusion. I am going to use the bench dog rail dogs in my rail so its straight across the table, then but the extrusion right upto the back of the rail, essentially creating a square. If I measure from the cut rail strip to the beginning of the fence, I can put my adhesive rule on accordingly so with a fence stop set on the rule should be able to create repeatable square cuts time after time :) - thanks for doing this video Peter, otherwise I would never have come up with how I could do this over and over again in my mobile setup (trestles !) with self made MFT slab.
Such a simple yet effective design. If you swap out the M6 bolts for some M4x30 ones and use the smaller bolts from the MFS set you can use them to secure the MFS router template thing very easily too. Best to use the M8 knobs to secure them from underneath though (to stop the MFS from tipping).
Hi Peter... another good one - just placed my order through your link. As others have said ..’just when I thought I had everything I need !!.....’. For reference I have an mft3 and the axi part kit, which I have found to be very accurate and it allows you to configure exactly where you want your 20mm holes. Having almost completed my mobile base for the mft this came at exactly the right time. If you would like I’ll send some pics when I’ve finished the sustainer slides and the draws...
Amazing! I have been having issues today with my MFT3 as I forgot the small blue fence support and I never realised how flexible it was without it... 4 clamps later and I'm double checking every cut! So Just places an order for the fence dogs, rail dogs and a set of bench dogs. Will make moving the mft table. About much more simple now.
Hi Peter, extrusion arrived today, amazed at the quality for the price - first rate. Should be getting the Fence Dogs tomorrow and off i go with the build. No worries regarding the Steel legs, i'm sure i will find a use for them. Does make me more intrigued regarding your build - my previous iteration was slot together ply, worked for a while until the middle started to sag.
Peter, you just keep coming up with very good ideas indeed - within everybody's budget. I suppose that's why we are watching week after week. Cheers mate!
You mean you cant get this one round the houses you work in..! benchworks.be/en/projects/mf-tc-multifunction-tool-cart/ You must be in the "Borrowers" houses..;-)
Really simple and useful Peter - thanks! I’ll definitely invest in this since I’m about to add some holes to my bench top. As always, the helpful links in the description help lift your videos well above the others and are much appreciated!
Hi Peter. Great video again, I'm definitely going to invest in some of these. It might be worth mentioning that you can also get Cnc cut replacement mdf tops for the MFT of ebay for £40. People can then build there own MFT style work benches. Keep up the good work.
@@10MinuteWorkshop shouldn't have second guessed you😅 look forward to the video. By the way, I made my first Millard style shaker doors for an alcove unit I instslled Last week. Also had the panels drying on my Millard style drying rack. I'm starting to feel like your apprentice 😂
Thank you Peter for showing these. I am already familiar with the extrusions by another brand name. I *DO* like the bench dogs. It looks like I'll be powering up the lathe and milling machine on the weekend :-) Regards Peter (Sanders)
This is an awesome find, Peter. I even like their own rail, especially as it comes with tape and a stop. Although a couple of flip-stops would be better. Let me know when you've found them as well 😂
Brilliant - I've been trying to solve this exact problem for my own bench, and a pair of these will be much simpler than any sort of bracketry I'd fabricate myself. I hope they give you a commission on my order!
I’m listening with one finger in my ear and watching with the other hand covering one eye whilst chanting the mantra “ I don’t need any more tools” and reassuring myself that that stuff wouldn’t be available outside Britain. Then you had to go and say that “they ship internationally” 😩
Speaking of "they ship internationally" I have only just noticed that Axminster Tools have followed Screwfix in offering FREE EU-wide shipping for all orders over 100 euros.
All the bits arrived, I can now use my UJK Multifunction bench from Axminster Tools along the lines I’d hoped for. Next step looking for a Stop I can use/adapt. Progress 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I do like your channel, 10 minutes is about my attention span! I had a video in my feed this morning, 1.5 hours to make a face frame (good Lord!). Your fence looks like the stuff we just call 40/20 here in the USA.
Hi Peter, will be very interested to see your take on a mobile work bench. I'm currently constructing one based on Dan Pattisons idea of it packing away into itself. Managed to get some tubular steel legs, already have the holy top!, just awaiting delivery of the dogs and extrusion (thanks to you). By the by, i have some steel legs left over if you are interested FOC. Thanks again for the suggestions and keep up the good work.
Hi Andrew! Sounds like a great project, and glad to hear you were able to pick up some extrusion - they’ve been pretty busy over there! Appreciate the offer of the legs, but not what I’m planning for my bench, thanks - save them for another project of your own! 👍👍
Try RS components for aluminium profile, v nuts etc. They offer a next day service for in stock items and THE PRICE INCLUDES CARRIAGE. There may be much cheaper soufces of profile available but thr carriage costs may be eye- watering.. Your inspiring channel adds more ideas and techniques to my already long list of things I want to do means thaI will have to live anothef 69 years!
Look forward to the build as I have just started out on a series of new benches. Have you considered making your own MFT type top using Peter Parfitt Parf Dog System? It is incredibly good and easy to use and you get exactly the size and spacings you want. Well worth a look if you are not just buying a premade MFT top.
Thanks Jason. Yes, I’ve seen the Parf System - Axminster were supposed to be sending me one to try out, but nothing’s happened as yet - but I think for what I have in mind it’ll be cheaper just to have one CNC’d 👍👍
Funny, I just decided to go the opposite way: getting the original fence from Benchdogs and save my money with 3D printed fence dogs 😀 I preferred the original fence over a std profile due to the overall package - €20 for a 2040 profile with one chamber closed (for the scale) - €10 for a stick-on measurement scale - €15 for a stop to use with the profile That is €45 vs what Benchdogs is asking for (< € 60 atm); assuming their laser scale is more accurate and will last longer than the stick-on solution. That is why I supported their business. The 3d printed fence dogs may come in with 2x 3 Euro for material plus 2x 2 Euro for screws and nuts. Not too bad isn't it? Given I had to spend €29 on their solution I decided to go cheap with these
I think it's a brilliant system you have especially as a professional cabinet maker with no need for a table saw "hate them" I take it this fence is set up to cut lengths repeatable with stops?
It will be yes. As I say, this bench build is still at the design & planning stages - but you can use the fencedogs with a variety of existing fence systems. 👍
Thanks for the information, you seem to be causing quite a few people to spend their hard earned money. :) I'm just one of them. Josh from Oozonest said "It's great to see you have come from Peters video, he seems to have made us very popular since yesterday!"
Hi Peter, hope you're well. Really enjoying your content and tips. I'm looking to add the ooznest guide 20x40mm guide rail to my mft. What stop to you use to set specific lengths? Conscious the T track groove is possibly only 6mm and some standard stops sold online may not fit. Any help would be much appreciated 👍 Many thanks Ed
Haha, good one! I’d use this fence for anything where I’d want to be able to remove it to turn the bench back into e.g. an assembly table, and then back into a cutting table *with the fence & stops in exactly the same place* And thank you! 👍👍
Peter, thanks for this very inspiring video. The only question I have is which Tee Nut do you use with the V-Slot Rail? OOZNEST only offers Tee Nuts from M3 - M5. Benchdogs offers the fence dogs with M6 and M5 options. Will M6 fit into the V-Slot Rail? Thanks!!
Peter Millard I'm currently to build a Ready2Rout style computer controlled router table fence using various bits from Ooznest. I can't but help in thinking of new uses for the various components I see when I browse their site.
Nice little video. Still thinking how I want my bench and this certainly adds another option. Have you considered the Parf dogs? No simple solution for a flip stop, but the ‘fence’ won’t obstruct the guide rail. Or will you always increase the thickness to 20mm?
Thanks! Don’t really understand Parf dogs, how they differ to regular bench dogs; I have plenty of bench dogs/ rail dogs, used them for ages before I bought my MFT, wouldn’t go back! Different for mobile admittedly, still pondering that one 👍👍
The difference is in the long ones. The short (regular) ones are supposed to be the 'fence' (nothing special there indeed) and the longer ones are to register your rail against to make square cuts. Very curious to find out how you will align the rail with this fence.
Just ordered a Fence Dogs & 1000mm Fence with V3 Flagstop!!!! I am looking to using it in my little workshop in the colonies :) Thanks to Ralph at Benchdogscouk!
I'll be very interested in following your bench build. I really need to build something with an MFT top for the Ts55. Will you be building the bench from extrusions also?
Lots of places to get a stick-on tape from - pretty sure Benchdogs do one, if not Axminster do. 👍 Or you could pick up the laser-etched fence from Benchdogs, of course... 🤔
..hi, is that rail very very straight indeed or any warp in it? I agree its a good idea why not if it serves the same purpose, its not a cheap hobby/ profession.
Hi Christopher. Yes, it’s a very straight extrusion; what you don’t get is the etched measuring gauge of course, which the Benchdogs fence now has, but that comes at a price, as with everything! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes of course. i guess you could use the above were a measure is not required and then it in a way reduces wear and tear on the benchdog fence - i have a feeling it may be how you use it perhaps, hey thanks for the reply
Hi Peter, I don't suppose you cover repeatable thin rips on the MFT anywhere in any of your vids do you? By thin I mean narrower than the guide rail.... I've thought and thought about it but can't come up with anything reliable. Many thanks Jaime
Hi Jaime. Now you mention it, I don’t hunk I have covered this! There’s a couple of things I do; obvious thing is that you clamp a stop outside (ie to the right of) the rail so you’re effectively cutting & keeping the elevate side of the line. Then to stop the narrow rip to ‘run away you can either tape it to another board of the same thickness, or put a false fence on the waste side. This is probably best explained in a video tbh! I’ll get to it shortly 👍👍.
Hi Peter, Thanks for the reply. Yes I did think of something like that but sort of went off the idea because I wondered whether having to allow for the kerf was marginally less accurate than measuring from the splinter strip to a stop of somekind underneath the guide rail..... Anyhow it would be great to see how you went about it. Many thanks Jaime
Great video Peter, and more great ideas for improving my MFT. Benchdogs do the fencedog in M5 and M6. Could you confirm which size you used that fits the Oozenest V rail? Thanks
Thanks Tony! Pretty sure they only did M6 when I got mine, but I’ll check when I’m in the workshop. I don’t think the size of the t-nut changes because of the thread size though - you just have to get the right M-threaded t-nut for your bolt. I’ll check though, and get back to you. 👍
Peter will the festool clamps fit in the Oosnest v track ????????????????? Not downstairs.....?????? nearly pead myself ............ Ave's term is "down in the dobleydo". 👍👍👍👍 Great Chanel 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks! No, this size v-track is too small to take Festool clamps unfortunately, so if you wanted to make a full-size MFT-alike you’d need to find the old-style 80-20 ally👍
Thanks Brian! Bench build will be coming before too long - haven’t got my hands on the latest version of the fence yet, so there are a few planets to align just yet. 👍👍
You always come up with great information and waste little time presenting it. Here's my problem: After subscribing to far to many channels as my interests have shifted over the years, UA-cam presented the option of not being notified of new releases. I clicked on that and now get no notifications about the new content of channels like yours that I do want to follow. Can anyone explain how to reinstate the notifications I want and delete those no longer of interest? Thank you.
Hi again...... thanks for the reply to the previous question by the way. I have been following your videos for some time and pretty good and honest they are. I made my own MFT table which frankly is not accurate so never used it for actual 90 degree cuts. I am at the point of having another go making a top with a kit I purchased then I have to buy add ons anyway. My question is do you think the festool MFT is worth the money? (I probably would spend half its price on bit and bats to make one anyway). Thanks in advance
Thanks! All my MFT videos are in a playlist here - MFT & MFT-related - bit.ly/MFT-related - and I've done a lot recently on DIY MFTs and rail hinges. I suggest you take a look at some of the recent ones like video 487 Ikea Curtain track DIY MFT - ua-cam.com/video/223QALIbnRc/v-deo.html and 488 DIY MFT follow-on ua-cam.com/video/wyGNs1GYdCk/v-deo.html and also the Backyard, Budget DIY MFT, ua-cam.com/video/xIi-I04ocVM/v-deo.html. Lots of info in those, but so much will depend on your specific requirements. 👍
As I say, bench is still in the planning stages, haven’t figured out if I need to make from scratch or adapt a commercial flag stop. Or change the extrusion 🤔👍
Hi Peter, always look forward to a Tuesday and a Friday! Thanks for your video's. You have taught myself and I imagine many other people so much! I look forward to the mobile bench, and also to know your festool mft, can you get the folding cross cut section separate from any where?
Hi Leigh. You can buy all the parts to make it as spares (see the Miles tool & machinery website) but it’s priced in such a way to as to... not really make it economical, let’s say. 😬
Hi Peter what brand are those blue ratchet clamps ,I notice u don't use them always have the green festool ones in your hand ? Are they any good the blue ones ? And are they cheaper then festool or Bessy red thanks
Hiya. They’re old-style Axminster clamps; they used to be about half the price of the Festool ratchet clamps, but had a few niggles with them. Then they fixed the niggles, and raised the price almost to Festool levels. 🤷♂️ I don’t like them much, but use them when I need to. 👍👍
Another fantastic video Peter, I have learned so much over the past few months from both you and your videos as well as the Rag and Bone Man. Do you have a video showing how your track for your track saw attaches to the fence? Also would your track, or any other track for that matter, fasten to this fence in a similar way that your track operates on your main table?
Thanks Richard! The fencedogs are excellent, and I’ll be using Benchdogs hardware when I build my mobile bench in the near future (5% discount at Benchdogs with the offer code ‘10minuteworkshop’ btw...). Re my rail setup, I have the festool MFT and the hinges rail comes as standard with that; it’s not hinged off the fence btw, but off the bench extrusion. If you haven’t caught them yet, videos 182 & 183 cover the MFT setup in some detail. 👍👍
Yes - just like on the MFT, the work bears against the fence at the top of the MFT benchtop and located in a row of holes, and the rail bears against eg benchdogs in a column of holes. 👍
The rail butts against the end of the fence - it's not for making very narrow cuts. This is quite an old video - the Mk2 fence has under-rail support, see video 420, Benchdogs fence Mk2 - ua-cam.com/video/KXBdxdeM_3Y/v-deo.html 👍
They’re a British make - TuffStuff Extreme 700 trousers - amzn.to/2oqeBpq They changed the design slightly so these days I generally prefer Scruffs Drezna trousers - amzn.to/2o7n44H (US: amzn.to/2oTAVbX)
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Great Peter! Anything which aids the cutting and ripping of wood is a bonus to me!
Thanks Deanne! 👍👍
A straightforward solution to an everyday problem! Thanks Peter.
Cheers Jim! 👍👍
Brilliant! I can't tell you how many screw holes were in my old benchtops ! Had to constantly replace or re-face them. I've since gone mobile and will be ordering those items if available in the US. Thanks again Peter! You're the best!
Cheers Gary. Both companies will ship internationally, so you shouldn’t have a problem 👍👍
Great idea Peter, thanks for the heads up!
Very clever. Thanks, Peter.
Cheers Mark! 👍
What a brilliant addition👌
Cheers for sharing that little gem, mate👍
Thanks Bill! 👍👍
You can never have enough glides and slides for tools.
Nice video Peter, Excellent idea.
Cheers Monty! 👍👍
Stop arrived today and I’ve managed to use it and for the price it’s great. Needs a little silicon spray to free the movement a little but I’m chuffed.
I use a Makita track and saw and I need to get the track cut a little shorter to use on top of my MFT more comfortably , so I’ll be looking to get it laser cut. Bench dogs do a good job in holding everything thing square but it’s no Festool hinged job. There’s another after market opportunity for someone 🤪👍🏻👍🏻
I’m working on it Mike! My flagstops arrived yesterday, video out on Tuesday 👍👍
this is what I was thinking too, maybe side hinge system for track that runs off the back of the extrusion, creating a similar flip up and down square set for the rail and extrusion like Peter has on his older MFT bench.
What a brilliant idea. Added these to my wish list!
Thanks! They are really clever, and very nicely made 👍👍
Brilliant again Peter! Just what I need and at a price I can afford. Thank you.
Glad to hear it! And thanks! 👍👍
I'm buying some of these. Thanks Peter.
Glad to hear - they’re a great product 👍👍
Thanks. Building a new workbench and love this idea... so I ordered a set from Benchdogs. Here in Australia the 1 meter 2040 extrusion was $18... so a great idea at a reasonable price.
Thanks, glad to hear it helped! 👍
Great idea and thanks for doing the leg work in suppliers, look forward to the bench video
Thanks! 👍👍
Thanks Peter for an excellent vidéo. Just recently made an MFT top to fit a Kreg bench. Just what I needed for using with my Festool TS55. Order delivered from Bench Dogs today. Keep up the excellent presentations
Thanks John! Benchdogs are great 👍👍
I switched to a similar but taller extrusion for my router table fence a couple of years ago. I can't believe I struggled for so long with the silly split fence it came with. Tall fence needed? Bolt on an auxiliary fence (I use Buffalo board, slippery side to the workpiece).
You're dead right about how useful it is, especially with sliding stops, and you could even use a scale, indexed against the back edge of the saw's own rail.
That's a brilliantly useful video - many thanks Peter (off to the e-shops for me, I think!).
Thanks! Yes, they’re handy to have around 👍👍
Wow that's awesome. I never thought of that. Here in the US one of the main distributors of aluminum profiles is a company called 80/20 Inc. I have a 25x75 profile made by them which gives me 3 t-slots on the 75 mm side. I use it for a fence for my drill press as well as a router sub fence which gives me tons of options for mdf sacrificial fences as tall as I want them to be or lay it flat on the drill press and I have better control of small pieces and more clamping options. I also bought two 36 inch long profiles that for the slots so I can cut them to custom sizes as I need them. Amazing products and now I see even more use. I need to order a 6 or 8 foot long profile for my table
Thanks! Yes, unfortunately 80/20 isn’t widely available over here - I know it was very popular with US Festool fans back when they made the original MFT1080, as the profile was the same, and huge MFT tops were relatively easy to make at a great saving on the Festool prices! 👍👍
Excellent! Thank you so much for sharing this. Best aye!
Thanks! 👍
You just made me buy £ 100+ of tools. Thanks a lot Peter!
Now, now - I just made you *want* to buy £100’s worth of tools. Subtle difference 😆😂👍
I'm going with my first comment when the wife asks.😉
i've just bought my extrusion and bench dog fence dogs, along with the bench dog fence stop in metal v3 version :) - I am intending on using some adhesive rule along the centre section of extrusion. I am going to use the bench dog rail dogs in my rail so its straight across the table, then but the extrusion right upto the back of the rail, essentially creating a square. If I measure from the cut rail strip to the beginning of the fence, I can put my adhesive rule on accordingly so with a fence stop set on the rule should be able to create repeatable square cuts time after time :) - thanks for doing this video Peter, otherwise I would never have come up with how I could do this over and over again in my mobile setup (trestles !) with self made MFT slab.
Sounds great! 👍👍
Interesting find. Thanks for the tips.
Pleasure, thanks for watching 👍👍
Great ideas, simple and useful and Always helpful. Sharing your experience and knowledge is really appreciated.
Great idea Peter
KJN Aluminium Profile in the UK are a very good price for extrusion, great service too 👍
Such a simple yet effective design. If you swap out the M6 bolts for some M4x30 ones and use the smaller bolts from the MFS set you can use them to secure the MFS router template thing very easily too. Best to use the M8 knobs to secure them from underneath though (to stop the MFS from tipping).
Great idea Neil - hadn’t thought of that! 👍👍
Hi Peter... another good one - just placed my order through your link. As others have said ..’just when I thought I had everything I need !!.....’. For reference I have an mft3 and the axi part kit, which I have found to be very accurate and it allows you to configure exactly where you want your 20mm holes. Having almost completed my mobile base for the mft this came at exactly the right time. If you would like I’ll send some pics when I’ve finished the sustainer slides and the draws...
Thanks Mike! And yes, I’d love to see some pictures when it’s all done 👍👍
Amazing! I have been having issues today with my MFT3 as I forgot the small blue fence support and I never realised how flexible it was without it... 4 clamps later and I'm double checking every cut! So Just places an order for the fence dogs, rail dogs and a set of bench dogs. Will make moving the mft table. About much more simple now.
Timing is everything 😆👍👍
I have been watching your videos foe so long now, and super grateful for all the knowledge your sharing! I'm building some alcoves at home as I type
Glad they help! 👍👍
Thanks Peter all ordered 😎
Excellent! 👍👍
Seems like a perfect idea to use for a mitre saw station fence with stops etc! Thanks for sharing this Peter ;)
Yep, they’d do that nicely 👍👍
Hi Peter, extrusion arrived today, amazed at the quality for the price - first rate. Should be getting the Fence Dogs tomorrow and off i go with the build.
No worries regarding the Steel legs, i'm sure i will find a use for them.
Does make me more intrigued regarding your build - my previous iteration was slot together ply, worked for a while until the middle started to sag.
Thanks Andrew! Yes, it’s really nice quality ally, very pleased with mine. 👍👍
Thanks Pete, just ordered the extrusion, fence dogs next !
Lovely! 👍👍
Hello Peter, as usual a very, very useful video. I wasted no time with you again. Thanks for the 10 minutes! Greetings from Bremen, Germany.
Thanks Rudi! 👍👍
Peter, you just keep coming up with very good ideas indeed - within everybody's budget. I suppose that's why we are watching week after week. Cheers mate!
Thanks Henrik! 👍👍
Excellent video as ever, expecting to see a follow-up video to this with DIY stops for this fence
They come with the portable bench - ‘always leave ‘em wanting more...’ 😆👍👍
Nifty little things thanks for sharing
Thanks! 👍
You’re my new best Mate Peter - genius 👌🏼🤗
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Portable bench huh! 😜
Timothy wilmot (Benchmarx) did a good mobile bench.
Yes I been looking at those fence dogs for a while now. Thanks for the video
Yeah, Tim’s bench is great, but totally unsuited to the properties I work in - it won’t go round the corners! 👍👍
You mean you cant get this one round the houses you work in..! benchworks.be/en/projects/mf-tc-multifunction-tool-cart/ You must be in the "Borrowers" houses..;-)
Best tip I’ve seen 👍👏👏👏
What, ever?? 😆👍 Thanks Kevin! 👍👍
Really simple and useful Peter - thanks! I’ll definitely invest in this since I’m about to add some holes to my bench top.
As always, the helpful links in the description help lift your videos well above the others and are much appreciated!
Thanks Eddy! And there’s always room for more holes in the bench 😆👍
Great find Peter..
Thanks! 👍👍
Hi Peter. Great video again, I'm definitely going to invest in some of these. It might be worth mentioning that you can also get Cnc cut replacement mdf tops for the MFT of ebay for £40. People can then build there own MFT style work benches. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Dave. Yes, I get into that with the bench build - seen them as low as £30...👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop shouldn't have second guessed you😅 look forward to the video. By the way, I made my first Millard style shaker doors for an alcove unit I instslled
Last week. Also had the panels drying on my Millard style drying rack. I'm starting to feel like your apprentice 😂
Thank you Peter for showing these.
I am already familiar with the extrusions by another brand name. I *DO* like the bench dogs. It looks like I'll be powering up the lathe and milling machine on the weekend :-)
Regards
Peter (Sanders)
Pleasure! 👍👍
This is an awesome find, Peter. I even like their own rail, especially as it comes with tape and a stop. Although a couple of flip-stops would be better. Let me know when you've found them as well 😂
Haha - I think I might have to make or adapt the flag stops. Working on it though... 👍👍
See, you've now gone all Festool on us again with this 'flag stops' business. Stop it. Think cheap. lol
Brilliant - I've been trying to solve this exact problem for my own bench, and a pair of these will be much simpler than any sort of bracketry I'd fabricate myself. I hope they give you a commission on my order!
Haha, sadly no - at least, not yet 🤔👍
Thanks for that great idea,really I need that.
Thanks for the review. Just made my order with 5% discount using the code in the description.
I’m listening with one finger in my ear and watching with the other hand covering one eye whilst chanting the mantra “ I don’t need any more tools” and reassuring myself that that stuff wouldn’t be available outside Britain. Then you had to go and say that “they ship internationally” 😩
Sorry - maybe these vids should come with a safe word?? 😂👍👍
A wallet warning would be cool. At least the dust extractor was sold out by the time I'd seen your video. lol
Speaking of "they ship internationally" I have only just noticed that Axminster Tools have followed Screwfix in offering FREE EU-wide shipping for all orders over 100 euros.
Yup! I'm suffering from the same complaint. And why do they have to make aluminium extrusions so damn 'sexy'? Can't they make them ugly or something?!
All the bits arrived, I can now use my UJK Multifunction bench from Axminster Tools along the lines I’d hoped for. Next step looking for a Stop I can use/adapt. Progress 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Excellent news Mike! Also tinkering with flag stops- let me now how you get on! 👍👍
I do like your channel, 10 minutes is about my attention span! I had a video in my feed this morning, 1.5 hours to make a face frame (good Lord!). Your fence looks like the stuff we just call 40/20 here in the USA.
Thanks! I think 40/20 and 80/20 is a straight section extrusion - this is v-slot - but very similar. 👍👍
Hi Peter, will be very interested to see your take on a mobile work bench.
I'm currently constructing one based on Dan Pattisons idea of it packing away into itself.
Managed to get some tubular steel legs, already have the holy top!, just awaiting delivery of the dogs and extrusion (thanks to you).
By the by, i have some steel legs left over if you are interested FOC.
Thanks again for the suggestions and keep up the good work.
Hi Andrew! Sounds like a great project, and glad to hear you were able to pick up some extrusion - they’ve been pretty busy over there! Appreciate the offer of the legs, but not what I’m planning for my bench, thanks - save them for another project of your own! 👍👍
Great video Peter, Glad you like our products. Love watching your videos especially this one.
Thanks - though I think you might be a bit biased with this one...😂👍👍
Try RS components for aluminium profile, v nuts etc. They offer a next day service for in stock items and THE PRICE INCLUDES CARRIAGE. There may be much cheaper soufces of profile available but thr carriage costs may be eye- watering..
Your inspiring channel adds more ideas and techniques to my already long list of things I want to do means thaI will have to live anothef 69 years!
Excellent video, such an inventive usage of our extrusion! If anyone has any questions about our extrusions feel free to ask us.
Thanks! Glad to have you here - I’d only be referring question to your website anyway (link in the description) 👍👍
Ooznest are you In Brentwood Essex by any chance????
Yup were based there. Welcome to order online and collect. Or just come down and see what we do.
On my way... 😂👍
Hello, how tough is the black coloured version of the v-rails?
Look forward to the build as I have just started out on a series of new benches. Have you considered making your own MFT type top using Peter Parfitt Parf Dog System? It is incredibly good and easy to use and you get exactly the size and spacings you want. Well worth a look if you are not just buying a premade MFT top.
ua-cam.com/video/WAHFxRhWB6c/v-deo.html
Thanks Jason. Yes, I’ve seen the Parf System - Axminster were supposed to be sending me one to try out, but nothing’s happened as yet - but I think for what I have in mind it’ll be cheaper just to have one CNC’d 👍👍
Funny, I just decided to go the opposite way: getting the original fence from Benchdogs and save my money with 3D printed fence dogs 😀
I preferred the original fence over a std profile due to the overall package
- €20 for a 2040 profile with one chamber closed (for the scale)
- €10 for a stick-on measurement scale
- €15 for a stop to use with the profile
That is €45 vs what Benchdogs is asking for (< € 60 atm); assuming their laser scale is more accurate and will last longer than the stick-on solution. That is why I supported their business.
The 3d printed fence dogs may come in with 2x 3 Euro for material plus 2x 2 Euro for screws and nuts. Not too bad isn't it? Given I had to spend €29 on their solution I decided to go cheap with these
I think it's a brilliant system you have especially as a professional cabinet maker with no need for a table saw "hate them"
I take it this fence is set up to cut lengths repeatable with stops?
It will be yes. As I say, this bench build is still at the design & planning stages - but you can use the fencedogs with a variety of existing fence systems. 👍
Blast! I'll add it to the list.
Sorry. I’m thinking of having a ‘wallet-warning’ klaxon in the videos - good idea?? 😂👍
Suddenly I need to do some online shopping!
That happens - every Friday and Tuesday 🤔😂👍👍
Thanks for the information, you seem to be causing quite a few people to spend their hard earned money. :) I'm just one of them.
Josh from Oozonest said "It's great to see you have come from Peters video, he seems to have made us very popular since yesterday!"
Haha - I think I’m just making them *want* to buy 😂 Apparently the FenceDogs guy ran out of aluminium, had to buy some from ooznest... 🤔😆👍👍
I'm also buying from him too. Do keep finding stuff to make me spend money ;)
Working on it... 😆👍
Nice simple idea. Totally repeatable square cuts. Pity I don't make square stuff because these would be a must have.
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another brilliant video great ad vice look ford to the next paul
Thanks Paul! 👍👍
Great tip!
Thanks! 👍
Just ordered a flag stop from Bench Dogs, it looks to be a new product so I’ll let you know how it goes.
Thanks Mike. Yes, Ralph at fencedogs has been busy - he’s sending me a couple this week to try out, so there’ll be another video 👍👍
What about attaching/using the track saw for repeatable 90degree cuts as seen on the MFT...? Is this part of the future workbench?
Now that would be giving away the plot... 🤫👍
Very cool
Thanks! They’re really clever 👍👍
Hi Peter, hope you're well. Really enjoying your content and tips. I'm looking to add the ooznest guide 20x40mm guide rail to my mft. What stop to you use to set specific lengths? Conscious the T track groove is possibly only 6mm and some standard stops sold online may not fit. Any help would be much appreciated 👍
Many thanks
Ed
They’re benchdogs stops - the benchdogs fence uses the same extrusion slot as the Ooznest profile. 👍
I want to see how your old bench looks.
Haha - we’ll if you check out video #57 - bandsaw onsite, it’s about a year worse than that! It’s still functioning, but isn’t great... 👍
Still looks better than some I've seen. Can't wait to see what your replacement looks like.
Oooooooooooh what to say... a must have! Thank you!
Only the good stuff here 😆👍👍
Great Stuff Cheers
Cheers! 👍👍
Great idea Peter, I'm currently working without a MFT and it's a pain, so I'll definitely check out fence dogs.
Cheers John. FenceDogs are such a great idea 👍👍
Pete. What would you use this fence for? Did you say you were building a new bench which includes this? Great channel! Excuse the pun!? 👍👍
Haha, good one! I’d use this fence for anything where I’d want to be able to remove it to turn the bench back into e.g. an assembly table, and then back into a cutting table *with the fence & stops in exactly the same place* And thank you! 👍👍
Will the festool adjustable stop fit the oosnest rail?
Not the flag-stops that I have, no.As I say, it’s something I’m working on. 👍
Thanks for that Peter. Looking forward to the bench build.
just had an email from bench dogs , they now sell their fence stop to fit the 2040 extrusion separately (£12.50)
Yep, should be getting a set next week to try out 👍👍
Peter, thanks for this very inspiring video. The only question I have is which Tee Nut do you use with the V-Slot Rail? OOZNEST only offers Tee Nuts from M3 - M5. Benchdogs offers the fence dogs with M6 and M5 options. Will M6 fit into the V-Slot Rail? Thanks!!
I think you've found the cheapest provider for aluminium extrusion there Peter. Thanks.
They do seem to be very competitive. Great range of little bits and pieces too 👍👍
Peter Millard I'm currently to build a Ready2Rout style computer controlled router table fence using various bits from Ooznest. I can't but help in thinking of new uses for the various components I see when I browse their site.
EscapeMCP I know! So many handy little bits and pieces 👍👍
Nice little video. Still thinking how I want my bench and this certainly adds another option. Have you considered the Parf dogs? No simple solution for a flip stop, but the ‘fence’ won’t obstruct the guide rail.
Or will you always increase the thickness to 20mm?
Thanks! Don’t really understand Parf dogs, how they differ to regular bench dogs; I have plenty of bench dogs/ rail dogs, used them for ages before I bought my MFT, wouldn’t go back! Different for mobile admittedly, still pondering that one 👍👍
The difference is in the long ones. The short (regular) ones are supposed to be the 'fence' (nothing special there indeed) and the longer ones are to register your rail against to make square cuts.
Very curious to find out how you will align the rail with this fence.
Just ordered a Fence Dogs & 1000mm Fence with V3 Flagstop!!!! I am looking to using it in my little workshop in the colonies :) Thanks to Ralph at Benchdogscouk!
Chip, did you order M5 or M6? I'm looking to buy these but not sure which ones fit the Oozenest extrusion.
I'll be very interested in following your bench build. I really need to build something with an MFT top for the Ts55. Will you be building the bench from extrusions also?
No, it’s not an MFT-alike, just a variation on what I have already. Very much ‘my’ portable bench, but a easily adapted 👍👍
Awesome, had been wondering what to do with that extrusion off cut...
The possible future MFT purchase has now slipped right down the list :)
Awww, man - there goes Festool as a possible sponsor... 😂👍👍 Hey Tom - always good to use up some old bits and pieces, right?? 😆👍👍
Hahahaha - always mafell 🙊🙄😉
Def just ordered the fence dogs
Cool. They’re really nice, well handy 👍👍
Great system. Any good ideas on adding a measuring tape or similar to the extrusion?
Lots of places to get a stick-on tape from - pretty sure Benchdogs do one, if not Axminster do. 👍 Or you could pick up the laser-etched fence from Benchdogs, of course... 🤔
..hi, is that rail very very straight indeed or any warp in it? I agree its a good idea why not if it serves the same purpose, its not a cheap hobby/ profession.
Hi Christopher. Yes, it’s a very straight extrusion; what you don’t get is the etched measuring gauge of course, which the Benchdogs fence now has, but that comes at a price, as with everything! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes of course. i guess you could use the above were a measure is not required and then it in a way reduces wear and tear on the benchdog fence - i have a feeling it may be how you use it perhaps, hey thanks for the reply
Hi Peter,
I don't suppose you cover repeatable thin rips on the MFT anywhere in any of your vids do you? By thin I mean narrower than the guide rail.... I've thought and thought about it but can't come up with anything reliable.
Many thanks
Jaime
Hi Jaime. Now you mention it, I don’t hunk I have covered this! There’s a couple of things I do; obvious thing is that you clamp a stop outside (ie to the right of) the rail so you’re effectively cutting & keeping the elevate side of the line. Then to stop the narrow rip to ‘run away you can either tape it to another board of the same thickness, or put a false fence on the waste side. This is probably best explained in a video tbh! I’ll get to it shortly 👍👍.
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the reply.
Yes I did think of something like that but sort of went off the idea because I wondered whether having to allow for the kerf was marginally less accurate than measuring from the splinter strip to a stop of somekind underneath the guide rail.....
Anyhow it would be great to see how you went about it.
Many thanks
Jaime
Great video Peter, and more great ideas for improving my MFT. Benchdogs do the fencedog in M5 and M6. Could you confirm which size you used that fits the Oozenest V rail? Thanks
Thanks Tony! Pretty sure they only did M6 when I got mine, but I’ll check when I’m in the workshop. I don’t think the size of the t-nut changes because of the thread size though - you just have to get the right M-threaded t-nut for your bolt. I’ll check though, and get back to you. 👍
Both will work no problem. The M5 was bought out for users in America who use a 8020inc extrusion. Which has a slightly smaller v slot
what flag stop would work with this 40x20 rail Peter? I know old video but still very relevant
It’s essentially the same extrusion as the original benchdogs fence, so the benchdogs flagstop should still fit. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop ahhh thought it may of been, makes sense I guess since these extrusions are pretty standard. many thanks
Peter will the festool clamps fit in the Oosnest v track ?????????????????
Not downstairs.....?????? nearly pead myself ............ Ave's term is
"down in the dobleydo". 👍👍👍👍
Great Chanel 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks! No, this size v-track is too small to take Festool clamps unfortunately, so if you wanted to make a full-size MFT-alike you’d need to find the old-style 80-20 ally👍
Peter yes remember now, l looked at them a few years back thought that why l didn't go with them. Doh.
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Hi Peter, is there any extrusion or T-Track available to buy that'd fit the Festool clamps similar to the way you can use on the MFTs?
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Any thoughts to incorporate Digital Fence Readout/ stop?
Interesting idea, but too complex for a simple mobile bench, I think 👍👍
Excellent idea Peter 👍when are you making the workbench I’ll look forward to that project ...
Thanks Brian! Bench build will be coming before too long - haven’t got my hands on the latest version of the fence yet, so there are a few planets to align just yet. 👍👍
You answer my question. V-Rail 2040. I need to listen. LOL
Will the profile take the Festool adjustable stop?
The flag stops? Unfortunately not as far as I can see; it’s something I need to work on adapting or making 👍👍
When you purchase our system you will receive the flag stop in the kit as well as a ruler which is fitted to the extrusion.
You always come up with great information and waste little time presenting it. Here's my problem: After subscribing to far to many channels as my interests have shifted over the years, UA-cam presented the option of not being notified of new releases. I clicked on that and now get no notifications about the new content of channels like yours that I do want to follow. Can anyone explain how to reinstate the notifications I want and delete those no longer of interest? Thank you.
Hi peter iv just subbed great channel nice to see a british chap like my self doing the youtube
Thanks Daniel, and welcome! Don’t forget to check out the back catalogue👍👍
Iv been binge watching. Can you show that large festool router what is it iv got the of1010 and of2200
Very cool. Would these work with the Axminster Parf Guide system?
Not sure what you mean by ‘work with’ - other than the slot they’re pretty standard benchdogs. Is the Parf guide system different somehow??
Id say thay would as its just a 20mm hole as standard
It wasn’t clear on the site what diameter the Parf holes were. Thank you Jesse.
Hi again...... thanks for the reply to the previous question by the way. I have been following your videos for some time and pretty good and honest they are. I made my own MFT table which frankly is not accurate so never used it for actual 90 degree cuts. I am at the point of having another go making a top with a kit I purchased then I have to buy add ons anyway. My question is do you think the festool MFT is worth the money? (I probably would spend half its price on bit and bats to make one anyway). Thanks in advance
Thanks! All my MFT videos are in a playlist here - MFT & MFT-related - bit.ly/MFT-related - and I've done a lot recently on DIY MFTs and rail hinges. I suggest you take a look at some of the recent ones like video 487 Ikea Curtain track DIY MFT - ua-cam.com/video/223QALIbnRc/v-deo.html
and 488 DIY MFT follow-on ua-cam.com/video/wyGNs1GYdCk/v-deo.html and also the Backyard, Budget DIY MFT, ua-cam.com/video/xIi-I04ocVM/v-deo.html. Lots of info in those, but so much will depend on your specific requirements. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you for ALL that effort :)))))) very kind
Which weight option for the aluminium extrusion are you using Peter?
Hi Fergus. V-slot only comes in one weight AFAIK - I used the 20x40mm section, as stated in the vid. 👍👍
Thanks and sorry Peter - I looked at two suppliers' sites and then asked the question based on the one you didn't use - "facepalm" + doh!
😂 DW we’ve all done it. FYI links to all the ‘stuff I use’ are in the description of this and every video, or at bit.ly/stuff_I_use 👍👍
Brilliant,
Just looking through your list of items and I couldn't find a recommendation for a flip stop for the extrusion.
As I say, bench is still in the planning stages, haven’t figured out if I need to make from scratch or adapt a commercial flag stop. Or change the extrusion 🤔👍
Hi Peter, always look forward to a Tuesday and a Friday! Thanks for your video's. You have taught myself and I imagine many other people so much! I look forward to the mobile bench, and also to know your festool mft, can you get the folding cross cut section separate from any where?
Hi Leigh. You can buy all the parts to make it as spares (see the Miles tool & machinery website) but it’s priced in such a way to as to... not really make it economical, let’s say. 😬
Thanks Peter. Just a thought. Maybe something cold be adapted to the rails you have featured in this video to make a folding cross sled😀
...and imagine if you incorporated that into a mobile bench! Nah, crazy idea 🤫👍
Hi Peter what brand are those blue ratchet clamps ,I notice u don't use them always have the green festool ones in your hand ? Are they any good the blue ones ? And are they cheaper then festool or Bessy red thanks
Hiya. They’re old-style Axminster clamps; they used to be about half the price of the Festool ratchet clamps, but had a few niggles with them. Then they fixed the niggles, and raised the price almost to Festool levels. 🤷♂️ I don’t like them much, but use them when I need to. 👍👍
Ok thanks mate might go with bessey
Another fantastic video Peter, I have learned so much over the past few months from both you and your videos as well as the Rag and Bone Man.
Do you have a video showing how your track for your track saw attaches to the fence? Also would your track, or any other track for that matter, fasten to this fence in a similar way that your track operates on your main table?
Thanks Richard! The fencedogs are excellent, and I’ll be using Benchdogs hardware when I build my mobile bench in the near future (5% discount at Benchdogs with the offer code ‘10minuteworkshop’ btw...). Re my rail setup, I have the festool MFT and the hinges rail comes as standard with that; it’s not hinged off the fence btw, but off the bench extrusion. If you haven’t caught them yet, videos 182 & 183 cover the MFT setup in some detail. 👍👍
I still don’t understand how you cut with the fence attached. Do you have to place the tracksaw track perpendicular to it? Thanks PM
Yes - just like on the MFT, the work bears against the fence at the top of the MFT benchtop and located in a row of holes, and the rail bears against eg benchdogs in a column of holes. 👍
And the track is placed over the fence top?? I think I have to wait for your upcoming MFT build video 😁
The rail butts against the end of the fence - it's not for making very narrow cuts. This is quite an old video - the Mk2 fence has under-rail support, see video 420, Benchdogs fence Mk2 - ua-cam.com/video/KXBdxdeM_3Y/v-deo.html 👍
One of these days I'll figure out why some prices are measure in quid and some in pounds :)
What are those multipocketed pants you're wearing?
They’re a British make - TuffStuff Extreme 700 trousers - amzn.to/2oqeBpq
They changed the design slightly so these days I generally prefer Scruffs Drezna trousers - amzn.to/2o7n44H (US: amzn.to/2oTAVbX)
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks, great videos too, very helpful to see new ways to work.