Why Israel's casualty reports still don't add up, with Jon Elmer
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Jon Elmer takes a look at Israeli media reports that Israeli army casualty figures amount to 10,000 soldiers dead or wounded since 7 October.
Nora Barrows-Friedman, Asa Winstanley and Jon Elmer of The Electronic Intifada were joined by journalist veteran journalist and analyst Helena Cobban on the day 306 livestream. You can watch the entire broadcast here: www.youtube.co...
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Great report. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 from Darwin, Australia.
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And Adelaide, South Australia
@@waynevanrensburg8037and Sydney too..
Palestine is a Roman slave state.
All the adults in Israel are or were IDF reservists .
If an IDF soldier is killed or wounded and was a business owner, do the settlers move in and take his business and home?
They have no morals, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't just take the business and home, but even the wife and kids
It becomes a continued no thanks
They are theives so anything is possible
They make a shrine of them now that the economy is collapsing and squatters are fleeing back to their homes abroad.
@@sabrinalastname9719 LEARN YOUR HISTORICAL FACT FIRST, sabrina
Palestinians trusted the jew liars and gave them food and shelter in year 1917. These jews who were first sent there as a trial (just 500) included rapists and murderers from Poland, Hungary, Czhekoslovakia, and Russia) they did what they do best, - RAPING AND MURDERING MUSLIM WOMEN
IF YOU BELIEVE JEWS LIVED ON THAT LAND THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO THEN BY THE SAME FORMULA
1) if you are from USA, you should give your entire land mass to the APACHES, THE CHEROKEES, SEMINOLES, YAQUIS, NOVAJOS and hundreds more native INDIAN TRIBES that lived there for ten thousand years before you whites invaded in 1492
2) if you are in Australia, then give entire land to ABORIGINES who are living there since past 25000 years before James Cook arrived to claim it for the British Queen in 1788
AFTER ABOVE 2 ARE ACHIEVED THEN LECTURE OTHERS ON WHO LIVED WHERE - END OF STORY
The Resistance Armies are still alive, strong, unstoppable and scoring big.
Com certeza, vemos isso nos vídeos atuais, e todo o eixo está agindo contra a Entidade sionista, isso vai completar 1 ano! E as mentiras de Israel é somente para confundir as pessoas, pois sabemos que sua incursão em Gaza foi um fracasso, está apenas destruindo Gaza e assassinando inocentes, que feito militar não tem nenhum, o exército israelenses é uma vergonha, são assassinos de inocentes mais nada!
While Israel Lies, Palestine Stands
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Remember, they'll call you anti-semitic but never a liar.
Absolutely true.
@@Wehcdh Did you actually watch this vid? They stated, quite clearly, that the stats for the wounded are accurate - the censor allows it because funding is required to help the wounded. They lie about the number of soldiers killed and have done so since the start of the conflict.
To anyone who has any issues with anything that the Palestinian Resistance Factions have done or are alleged to have done-on and since Saturday October 7th, 2023-ask yourself:
How many of the purported “Israeli civilians” were actually military/police/security reservists, settlement security volunteers, or workers in Israeli military or dual-use industrial/communications/logistical/material support roles? According to Israel’s own doctrines, standard operating procedures, and rules of engagement, any such persons would have been fair game to target, even if unarmed at the time. *_Nothing_* that the Palestinian Resistance Factions have done or are accused of doing, violates _any_ rules, doctrines, SOPs, and RoEs that the Israeli regime claims to hold its own operatives, personnel, and constituents accountable to.
Your problem isn’t with the Palestinian Resistance Factions. It’s with Israel’s official doctrines, standard operating procedures, and rules of engagement. Israel and its allies wrote the rules. Don’t blame the resistance factions for following the rules. You don’t like their actions or alleged actions? Change the rules, and hold everyone accountable fairly. The Dahiyeh Doctrine-amongst other such things-is just as applicable to the Gaza envelope and Tel Aviv, as it is to Beirut or Gaza. Accept that.
In what Zionist doctrine is it written that one can kill 200+ people to rescue 4 captives? In what Zionist doctrine is it written that one can kill whole families of resistance leaders?
In what Zionist doctrine is it written than one can kill 100+ people if the building they are sheltering in, is suspected of harboring resistance "command and control"? The same question goes for hospitals as well. Israel is not following its own doctrine, and has done far worse than what the resistance is accused of.
According to Israeli media, as reported by Electronic Intifada, the Greyzone and others, as many as 450 of the casualties on Oct 7 were military. The bulk of the civilians killed that day, were killed by the IDF!
Every Israeli is part of the IOF.
Either THAT IS A CROCK OF CRAP ! OR THE SAME IS TRUE OF EVERY CASUALTY IN GAZA ! There are no innocents was the was the Nazi doctrine used to murder civilians. lol ! you didn't think that one through did you Baaa Haa Ha !
The West wants the world to follow the rules so they can have the edge to get ahead by breaking them
According to IsraeI, their troops never get killed; just "severely wounded"
That means they've gone to gehonim
220k beg to differ 😂
Agreed
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Why the idf us really popular with the women. 1/3 get sexual assaulted/raped in the army. New recruites is called a new White matras
Seriously.... What don't, won't and haven't they lied about?
It never ends.
There's one thing they've said that is true:
The west supports Israel because of if their "shared values".
Empire values, that is.
Jon's reports are excellent, I think it's the best info on the conflict.
Now this is journalism. CNN and MSNBC should take notes
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DO they even know how to report the truth now?
They can't. The Jewish lobby has them Iin their pocket
That’s probably why they got that news agency kicked out
No Mercy, no witness
No Mercy, no witness
Yes and why they won't allow international media in either
Thank you, EI team, for your dedication and excellent work 👏👍🇵🇸
Jon Elmer is the best analyst for the Genocide in Palestine 🇵🇸
He just believe whatever Hamas is saying.
If a people would lie about who they are and where they're from they'll lie about anything
Spot on.
All IsraHELLi's are actually European Jews... that is why it is a Criminal Offense to obtain a DNA Test in IsraHELL. They CONtinue to CONvince the world that they are indigenous to Palestine.
They change their name to make it sound Hebrew.
1. David Ben Gurion - David Groun.
2. Moshe Sharet - Moshe Shertok.
3. Levi Eshkol - Levi Skolnik.
4. Yigal Alon - Yigal Peikowitz.
5.Golda Meir - Golda Mabovitch.
6. Menachem Begin - Menakhem Volgovitch.
7. Ehud Barak - Ehud Brog
8. Ariel Sharon - Ariel Scheneimamn.
9. Shimon Peres - Szymon Perski.
10. Benjamin Netanyahu - Benjamin Meleikowski.
Throughout recent history, All IsraHELLi PM's have changed their last names in order to appear and sound less... German.
How Israeli Prime Ministers Changed Their Names to Sound More Middle Eastern
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If a LIE is told often enough, and found to be effective, IsraHELL will STEAL it and claim it was theirs, all along!
It seems that every time they have significant losses in an event, it's followed by an attack on civilians that they falsely say targeted fighters.
You got it, but everyone knows israel would prefer total extermination of all Palestinians.
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Thank you.
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14 political parties came to China do you think except Hamas the 13 parties have strength to defeat Israel??
In Israel which is the most powerful islamic army
@@Qyavecst It has nothing to do with the number of organisations (not parties!)
Palestine is not an isolated island and political achievements are related to the balance of power in the world. The weakness of the Western hegemony may contribute to the struggle and there are still many problems regarding the solidity of our leadership. The Zionist occupation split our people into four groups: Palestinians in areas occupied in '48, the West Bank and Al-Quds, Gaza, and all the exiles in Arab countries and the West... The reality is more complex than slogans.
@@Qyavecst Israel is not an "Islamic army", it's a Zionist army backed by USA, europe and their allies.
"....saw nine triangles entering that home..."😅
Jon Elmer got bars
9 triangles went in to eat some heifer burgers
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Idf is being defeated
It was defeated already! In 2000 it was humiliated by Hizballah attacks to the extent they withdrew from Lebanon after 18 year occupation. Then in 2006, Hizballah devised a very cunning plan to lure an Israeli patrol into Lebanese territory, captured the soldiers (most died but one or two survived) and Israel launched a huge operation to rescue these soldiers. The only thing is that the Israeli tanks for stuck in the minefield the Israeli put during their occupation. You see they were so nasty that even with the Lebanese government requesting the maps so that they can remove the mines, now Israel refused and stated that no maps exist. Once their tanks for stuck suddenly the maps were found and given to the Lebanese government to help free the tanks. So as you see at times the Israeli military seems worst than the keystone cops. They have inflated their image so much that they can’t match up or it, and we all know that they can’t do a thing without the US’s help.
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And they are too incompetent and too TERRIFIED to go into the Gaza tunnels to fight man-to-man with Hamas.
Come on Iran!! Do the world a favour and free everyone from Zionism!!
free everyone from radical islam as well
I share you sentiment 100%. We need to work on that…
@@ncosicarty6500 lie and deflect, and deflect and lie that is what is happening here! Shame…
Free everyone from radical evangelism also @@ncosicarty6500
The problem is zionisme not islam why the attack islam because it's not fake like zionisme
Because they hardly tells the truth. Long live the resistant.
Thank you Jon, Asa, and Nora for the update on this important part of the story.
*Ars*
that's what is left of Israel, when you remove the "lie"
They can lie all they want. But the fact of the matter is that out there in Israel there is a mother, a father, a sister or a brother who will not see their son or daughter or brother or sister ever again. How will you handle that fact? The truth shall set you free, and it’s atrocious to the max that they will not acknowledge the sacrifice this young man or woman gave so that netanyahu can delay his incarceration! Shame…
Eles amam Netanyahu e sua política de assassinatos!
@@kitanianunesdebarros2659true, but they need to love their own children more.
Not many women seen in the battle field, on either side.
You have a real point here, the families of IDF would be punished for expressing their loss. They would be made pariahs by their neighbours and friends for admitting they lost their child. That would be hell squared. There is no bottom to this black pit of hell genocide and child massacre.
@@carahiggs7157 wow! I mean for your neighbors who will not honor the sacrifice of their neighbors is beyond comprehension. I guess this is what conscription is all about. Thanks for sharing.
I have been wondering about this.
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Me too.
Isreal IDF casualties not Reported. Heavy casualties. Contnue.
The families have to keep their mouths shut about it or else
@@carahiggs7157 How can they keep it secret for so long? It's hard to believe.
Excellent video 📹
Israel 🇮🇱 has never admitted to or given a full narrative of the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
NATO analysts had to desperately work out what weapons work or don't work in the Cold War.
Western media and military authors always wrote a fragmented account.
The same is happening here, one difference- social media platforms.
Thx for sharing
Perhaps the lancet needs to extrapolate a report of the IOF casualties / death
Israel did not wish to declare the correct amount of Israel Soldiers bcos they were worried that the Soldiers would not want to go to the War. 😩
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Plus they won't to pretend that their losses are minimal.
Because they are well known pathological liars!!!
1000+ israeli armoured vehicles disabled or destroyed 4-6 tank crew
8-12 APC crew
Rough estimate 6-8 thousand idf casualties which was reported 5-7 months ago.
Israeli reports atleast 10 thousand casualties according to hospital records.
The count is more than 4000 now, it includes battle tanks, all the Nimr ( tiger) heavy armored troop carriers are destroyed, that's why we're seeing quite a lot of the ancient 113 APC from the Vietnam era, hundreds of bulldozers, and countless Hummers and Jeeps
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What a mess arserael is
Dude that's a fitting name for a smelly and morally bankrupt country 😂
The nation which you mentioned, all of that is a satanic lie. They are at war with God and Jesus Christ whom they deny. They are not supposed to get any land back (as long as they don't repent and obey God, which they don't) since they were thrown out by God back then because of their denial of 'their' God. They failed to do what was asked of them and that is why God threw them out (they are not victims of other people attacking them). And they still haven't changed / repented, so they are not meant to get any land back but they are going against God trying to accomplish it anyway via manipulation of the world and with violence.
Thanks you for your efforts in reporting issues facts we all need to hear
They don't count the US troops as IDF.. means those who have joined in the name of reservists and are actually americans.. 😂😂
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In newspaper, about american with dual citizenship going to Israel was over 10,000. Definitely agree, they don't count the americans, British, French etc
@@sunshine-vd9jlAll these Traitors must be charged for War-Crimes…
Great analysis. There is an endless stream of videos coming out of Gaza that show armoured vehicles suffering catastrophic hits from RPG's, missiles and charges placed by hand. I can't imagine that many in those vehicles would have walked away with just a few scratches. Yet none appear on the casualty reports. A respected online pundit is now claiming that up to 70 Israeli commandos were killed in Yemen a couple of days ago. Not a word of it in the world's media.
FACTS. They have a problem with them.
Tell us about it. We have seen videos after videos of them taken out daily. Yet they say casulaties are below 300.
How can you rehabilitate war criminals???
So much wagon circling you can't tell who holds the reins?
Without guys like you we all would be looking at this war with a blind eye. In journalistic terms you should be congratulated the way you manage to avoid censorship and yet keep us informed. Hope they dont do to you a Scott Ritter like action
10,000 viva resistencia!
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Answer: because they are pathological liers.
Thank you for all the work you do through all this horror. ❤
US taxpayers money will bear all the costs. 😏
No it won't
don’t think so either. Blackrock, Vanguard etc will spend some money on the casualties
You be trolling
Many many thanks Intifada for your daily truth.
The casualties are mainly foreign mercenaries.
The IDF website has ceased to show casualty figures since July 7.
10,000 in the first 35 day.. so 250 days later do we/ does EI estimate 80,000+ injured?
The numbers have never matched up.
1936 - 1945. THE NUMBERS DO NOT ADD UP.
About 75k
But that's made up of other groups like Gypsies etc
It was a staging area for the Havaara agreement, the ideal location to avoid bombing
Like hiding in a school, or using a hospital as an HQ
@@Uncanny_Mountain or maybe a diaper 😂
Dude stop that! You might make people on the left wake up to reality.
Majority of the deaths were from a typhus outbreak in 1944/1945- there were previous outbreaks ex. Warsaw 1940-1942- but not as bad as the 1944/1945 deaths that swept Germany, Poland, Russia, etc
Are you seriously denying holocaust ?
They are liars. Everything fall apart
Long live the resistance. Thank you Electronic Intifada.
But the families of the soldiers killed will know who has been killed
As per Douglas Macgregor they have lost 5000 soldiers being killed and more than 70,000 injured seriously being disabled. They are trying to recruit more 10,000 means means they have lost at least 10,000 not 330. We have a clip from ME eye which shows 3 Nemers were bombed at the same time killing 36 soldiers but the news paper said only 3 dead
Yeah they will lie about their casualties that is why they take their frustrations out on the civilians
Middle East Eye released a video the other day of one of hte soldiers accused of participating in the rape of the Palestinian kidnapped detainee and he specifically made a recruitment for people to come and join their war effort because the war was hard, making it sound like it wasn't quite the slam dunk that's been characterized.
Great clip. Thank you.
They lied about god you expect them not to in other matters ?
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they don’t consider dual citizenship as Jew’s Israel. Only sole Israel citizenship they consider Israel citizenship. They will never value other hers being 2nd class citizens for them
Love the honesty of this channel
2:58 what about the families of lost soldiers?? Are they not notified?
TOI today said its 10000 Diapers
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They are great liars.
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Col. Douglas McGregor estimated at least 5k IDF KIA and 70k were injured and maimed
Wow im going for restaurant food today
True journalists giving us the real news. Thank you
He have no source. he just believe whatever Hamas tells him.
There are no official figures for civilian casualties, yet northern Israel is a devastated landscape of former communities.; there are
no people there.
We are not surprised that USrael lies. Thank you, EI.
I thought that only America was callus about their citizens lives but Israel straight doesn't care at all about any human life at all...
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Thank you for the reports.
I wonder what the peace time numbers for the rehabilitation centers are. It would be akin to calculating excess mortality from a war or epidemic.
Thank you 🙏
They pay the victims parents to stay quiet
The Haaretz hospital casualty figure (3:46) of 10,548 means about 301 IOF soldiers injured every day during the first 35 days of the ground war in Gaza. There's been another 245 days of fighting since December 10th, 2023, giving a total of 280 days, to date. If you extrapolate, it gives a figure somewhere in the region of over 84,000 IOF soldiers injured. But, I wonder how many were killed outright, and were they included in the Haaretz casualty figure, or is that number separate? If it is, that would mean an even larger number of IOF casualties. As usual, the information is being censored.
"We saw 9 triangles entering the building", from now on I will refer to them as red triangles 😂. The red triangle army.
Thanks guys
so 250 days since, plus 35 then, if it continued on as is that would be 86k wounded and admitted to hospitals. if they follow a typical 10 to 1 ratio (completely enabled by resistance choosing not to take out medivac helicopters), that would be 8.6k dead so far. but that assumes a consistent wounded rate, and doesn't account for possible overwhelming of their medical system.
I suppose there's a comparison to be made between Israel and Ukraine after all 😉
P.S. If you don't get it, I mean the obvious lies about casualty numbers.
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Surely are not the families of the dead soldiers and injured not concerned either about their dead or injured children..
The same with the US Casualties. They both operate like one country .
Defend this man 👌🏼
They’ll never admit to anything including casualties!
Free palestine.
They are free. Free to stay in their own country. Free not to start wars they can't finish.
@drwho5437 kinda hard when some folks (falsely) believe God gave them a land and they require the natives to be ethnically cleansed or put behind an apartheid wall in order to create, maintain and expand a certain ethno-religious majority state. Natives just don't like this sorta thing and have a tendency to resist.
Their military cemetery director said in early Dec that 20 to 30 burials per day on a channel 12/13?
Didn't they say 70 000 wounded a few months back?
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Here's a bit of theology from an agnostic: "Live by the sword, die by the sword."
Is that from Game of Thrones?
Israel makes Baghdad Bob look like Tom Brokaw.
not Yom Kippur, but they do air the full list of all dead soldiers on memorial day
Peace is precious
Israel casualties are still nothing when compared to Palestinian casualties 😢
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 from Atlanta, Georgia, USA
In the first few months they released the figures and quite often you would see big blobs on the list. They they just stopped even though as mentioned here, videos show a different story.
It will never add up...These people tell lies as naturally as others breathe...
They say its 258 only... yet we see everyday they cooked with their make up bin merkava tanks get barbecue....
Jesus was Palestinian and stays Palestinian until his return as PALESTINIAN.
what videos are you watching that are actually detailed enough to tell what is going on,
Hindustan Times, Times of India, Al Jazeera…
If you watch Jon's videos ( the guy on the bottom right) he goes through the videos released by the resistance fighters