Indeed! I experimenrted with the volume on this one. I thought my volumes were too low on previous videos and this one was a bit too high >< Thank you for the input. I wish youtube would allow you to swap the video out with corrections lol without having to completely reupload
@@GameStudioLore thank you sir ! Other than that dude your shit is golden !! Don’t stop minor issue I just like to hear what you have to say brother and with the music hard to hear your commentary
"its finding the funny in the insane because if you dont, you will cry" Emil explained how everyone feels about his writing. We have to laugh at it, because if we dont, we gonna cry.
hey thankyou so much! The analytics say I dont get many viewers watching more than 1 video right now in a session, so its cool to hear someone watching more than 1
Because it's not particularly good at anything it tries to do outside of its art direction. The combat is terrible, the rpg mechanics are superficial at best and the world is chore to explore. There are marked locations in Fallout 3 with nothing of note to do in them, why?
Great vids! have watching the 2 Fable vids and this one so far. Great commentary, story telling accompanied clearly very detailed research. Keep up the good work, you're channel and these vids will no doubt catch some major traction very soon!
Been binging a bunch of your videos today, and I'm enjoying them a lot. You've improved a lot, and i think you should keep it up. This video is really well researched, and even though i feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable about the story of Fallout development, your video offered me many new insights. Thanks for making these!
Aye thank you very much! I really appreciate that! I try to make sure every video is a little better than the last. Still got a ways to go, but im glad you an others are enjoying them
15 years passed and some things wont change at all. Every time someone talk about fallout, there will definitely be someone who will talk about why 3 is not a fallout... who also get pissed off by mentioning BoS and online. XD
I just needed an angle to make this story intriguing and I knew this would get peoples attention. My personal opinion isnt in the video, its really just a comparison to van buren and bethesdas choices to change elements of gameplay thanks for watching
Just don't try to argue with people like that or when they get pissed they will rage quit and call you names afterwards LOL! I like the argument, that technically that everyone thing pass Fallout 1 could be considered 'not a fallout game'
Issue is Fallout 1 and 2 were not as popular games back in the day because they were pc exclusive (not everyone had one) so when bethesda made fallout 3 they actually put the series on the map for a lot of people. A lot of people ask "why enclave bad?" In regards to 3s story...and its to explain to people who havent played the first games who the first bad guys were in the series also what theyre capable of. To me they actually developed the theme in a more meaningful way same with the tv show insinuating vault tec started everything. Different? Yes. More developed? Definitely. I liked your video though I just view 3 as my favorite fallout game because the range of things to do with dlc as well the setting.
I think it was smart Bethesda continued to latch onto the original lore for that reason. I know Cain said hed do the story differently, but Bethesda were already changing basically everything, so going with an entirely new story might have been too much, but maybe not as I would guess a lot of the audience was new to the franchise anyway. thanks for watching! I never say my opinion in the video, something i'm getting in trouble for lolol, so in the future vids I might have to add it, but to me FO3 is a great game. Its not the original no, but I think bethesda did a great job and they showcased the fallout franchise to literally millions of people
The Enclave shouldn't have even been in Fallout 3 - they weren't made to be the major antagonists of multiple games. They undid development more than anything else.
@@DBArtsCreators They are a pre war/post war faction that had a bunch of the best resources in prime Condition, also had caches and outposts all over the U.S. It's not crazy to think after the oil rig blew up other branches absorbed the left overs from that and decided to just go for the mainland.
@@ChadOfAllChads They wouldn't - it was specified in FO2 that they left all their continental bases for the oil rig. They wouldn't have returned to the bombed-out seat of power when it literally had nothing to offer them (which it doesn't in-game - the mobile missile platform had to be added as DLC to justify their presence there, and even then the mobile missile platform doesn't hold enough value to be worth such high priority). Had Fallout 3 followed its original timeline and plot (set 20 to 50 years after the nukes dropped, with no Brotherhood nor Enclave present. Such a situation could have seen an outpost of government officials communicating with the Enclave from Raven Rock - essentially a third party acting as the Enclave's intermediary as a prequel to FO1 & 2 as said Enclave assesses how to handle the mainland).
@@GameStudioLore anytime man ! I don’t understand the “algorithm” but they need to push this quality content versus the garbage 🗑️ stuff I normally see ! Again don’t stop your time will come bro 😎
It's positive additions outweigh it's negative changes. Much like NV, it revitalized the series from death and irrelevance and can stand with the older titles. You want to make an argument for 4 and 76? I'm all ears on that, but leave 3 alone. It's a solid entry.
I tried to get into fallout for years I own the originals and NV never touched 3 or 4. However Fallout 1 and 2 were a little too involved for me especially cause I like playing with a Controller and I felt lost in new Vegas it felt more like a game for fans than for newcomers, I needed a proper introduction. Recently I finally gave fallout 3 a chance and although it is not the best in any of the aspects and I can understand many of its shortcomings when it comes to the world of fallout, the factions and so much else. Having said that it was the introduction I needed and I am truly looking forward to playing NV again this time with a better understanding of all the different parts within fallout.
Clickbait title is a detriment to an otherwise pretty good* video. What do you mean "And why it isn't Fallout"? Did you just forget to add a second half to the video or something? I'm not one of those people that hates on everything to do with Fallout 3 but I at least expect to hear some kind of criticism or perspective about "Why it isn't Fallout" when I click on a fuckin video titled "How Fallout 3 was made and why it isn't Fallout". *Also, if I could give you a bit of advice here, audio mixing could use a little tweak. There were points in the video where the background music was almost as loud as your voice was and it became kind of hard to concentrate on what you were saying. Otherwise, you did alright. Keep working at it, I'm sure you'll go far eventually.
Agreed! I was waiting for the criticism, looked at the runtime and realised that with 3 minutes left, it wasn’t happening. Shame since the video is good, but the title is misleading which pissed me off.
@@GameStudioLore I'd simply change the title to be more reflective of the opinion you're trying to convey. You'll get reactions like these literally all the time if you keep making titles like these.
I think I'm one of very few people who enjoyed and respected the Fallout 3 ending. I always make a new character after beating Skyrim because the world feels like it can't go anywhere afterwards. And games like Morrowind often have you be this prophetic character, who you can avoid being if you want but has a destiny. So I liked Fallout 3 following through on it's theme. But I get how it could disappoint others. More stills could have helped too like Tim Caine said.
Even though we never got Van Buren as the designated group GM & someone in the games industry I'm of the opinion far more RPGs should utilize tabletop playtesting more often. It's efficient, cost effective, a good way to get the team together regularly, & arguably just as informative as playtesting as far as broad system mechanics are concerned.
@@GameStudioLore new comment so you don't miss it: I can't run smoothly adobe premiere in my old pc so I use filmora it has an option to automatically lower the volume of everything else once you add new audio tracks I'm currently learning to use da vinci but I'm sure that's an option every video editor has
Visually, the tone is steller... there's such a strong Twilight Zone and Planet of The Apes esc sifi-horror asethetic, it's really omni-present and powerful.. personally, I think of it as one of the most nuanced and just incredible games from an art direction and overall world design standpoint.
I don't care what anyone says Fallout 3, New Vegas, and Fallout 4 are some of my favorite games of all time next to Metal Gear Solid 3, and Minecraft I know their buggy but if you look past the bugs their great games in my opinion
It's not surprising that Obsidian did a better job than Bethesda, Bethesda got the design work from Black Isle studios for Fallout 3, didn't have anything for Fallout 4 (that is the worse game), Obsidian that had original Black Isle studios developers did the better Fallout in 3D, New Vegas
While i agree that New Vegas was indeed better than Fallout 3 , it wasnt better than Fallout 1 and maybe 2 . F3 was shallow at the end but New Vegas just was a bit too wacky and over-the-top overall that broke the tone and atmossphere of F1 . But i think Fallout is on itsself done . A new IP should push RPGs based on the Post-apocalypse-setting with its own approach and go for a more serious and adult oriented setting that doesnt end up so inconsistent as Fallout became after F1 .
Bethesda is just an awful developer. Their last good game was Morrowind. And it was during a time when a huge open world (that also has a great design) was new and unique to people, so you could easily forget about story, dialogue, quests, atmosphere. Everything after Morrowind is just utter trash in comparison to other RPG shooters. Giving those guys the keys to a rich and dense RPG world was a huge mistake.
Ayo morrowind was my next video =) I get the sentiment, bethesda has their style and there has been controversy with Emil, but at the time, they had the cash and nobody else really tried to get the IP >
Bethesda outbid the devs of Fallout who had built a different studio (not obsidian yet), which I consider disrespectful. Them not going bankrupt because of Morrowind being successful only had negative results in the industry. "keep it simple stupid" has been a curse in western rpg game development. I would sacrifice having played Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 76 and New Vegas as long as we got Van Buren if it was a first person game (not on gamebryo 🙏). But regarding the original devs I really dislike Tim Cain and how he gets credit as the creator just for being the director, like it wasn't a collective effort in all creative endeavors. Tim Cain only was the director of Fallout 1, then he left, and 20 years later he directs the failure that was The Outer Worlds and the game is promoted as "from the devs of fallout new vegas" when he was not involved in New Vegas. It was even sillier than Back 4 Blood being promoted with "from the creators of Left 4 Dead". Also another thing I don't like about Tim Cain is that he made a video complaining about young devs not knowing how to interact properly or getting offended at things, then he turns around, gets credit for Fallout like he did it all in his basement, like Chris Avellone didn't contribute the most creatively to the franchise's narrative, and praises the abomination that is the TV show that violates the canon set by Fallout 1, which he worked in (likely hoping promoting it will make Todd give him another run with the franchise). I hope Tim Cain stays away from the franchise, and I hope Chris Avellone goes back into the franchise he loved and cared for, especially after being slandered to hell by nutjobs online.
@@MashupsByMandy >"it's disrespectful that Bethesda outbid the devs of Fallout" >proceeds to disrespect one of the devs of the orginal game First off, Tim and his company at the time Troika were already being bled dry by Activision during the making of VTM Bloodline which came out in a very buggy state and led to the company closing it's doors. There's no way they would've ever gotten Fallout even if the game was successful initially. Secondly, Tim acknowledges other people that worked on the game all the time on his channel. He doesn't act like a one man show at all. The only person getting offended by anything is you. Finally, while I appreciate Chris' writing style, he's also made a lot of shoddy lore decisions and clunky dialogue. Ulysses from Lonesome Road and the childish humor of OWB being just a couple of examples. But hey, you do you, buddy.
@@Greedyselfish97 My disrespect doesn't affect his ability to feed his kids doing what he loves. Going around people's backs and outbidding them for their own creation is ridiculous. There is a reason why folks did not do that even in the american south 160 years ago. Regarding Old World Blues I have seen conflicting reports regarding it being a Fallout 3 DLC that was repurposed and rewritten to work with the Fallout New Vegas story. If that is true then Avellone is not to blame. My issue with Avellone's writing is more about what he did not get to do, like nuking the NCR again because "they got too big" and "weren't useful anymore", which is a stupid idea. Dude has the entire world to use for a story and keeps going back to california for no good reason. Tim does acknowledge other people in his videos sometimes, does zero effort in stopping people from the internet in treating him like "fallout's dad" when they go around using him as an argument about why people who don't like the tv show are "wrong". Hey, at least that is better than folks crediting Todd Howard for Fallout ever existing like big news media did during the press announcement elease circle days.
Ya. Probably the worst part of their handling of the Fallout franchise is that for FO3 & FO4 (can't say anything for the fuckup that's FO76), there are the elements of good games & stories under there. They're just buried under and crippled by all the Bethesda bull, sabotaged because Bethesda couldn't simply make a good game first and then add all the extra bells and whistles they wanted to play with.
It's a Fallout game the same way Bethesda is a game developer. Or the same way the TV show is a Fallout product. Or the same way Todd is a human being.
Fallout 3 location placements and quests are most of all time. Like I sure do like when Republic of Dave 5 minutes away from Old Olney that is inhabited by Deathclaws. I sure do love that 70% of plot can be avoided without exploits and 90% with them. I sure do love illusion of choice for the most of the plot. I sure do love that all viable endgame builds lead to energy weapons + x-02 power armor. I sure do love that unarmed and melee builds are pretty much non existent. I sure do love perks that increase numbers, to increase other numbers and don't do anything else.And I sure do love an entire ending bit in Jefferson Memorial, just all of it, from "boss fight" to companions saying to lone wanderer to kill themselves because its their destiny
You could give these same stupid and trite criticisms about anything. 1. I sure do love how Fallout 1 has skills which are used all of but 2 or 3 times in the whole game. 2. I sure do love how the final boss had no idea is master plan was doomed based on a very simple fact, and he'll just kill himself once you tell him. 3. I sure do love the cast of companions with one note characterizations, and with which you'll never have a conversation with after they join you. 4. I sure do love how one can nearly 100% the game, but still lack the needed XP to be the levels that the final locations are designed around. 5. I sure do love how some skills and stats are not just downright useless, but counter productive.
@@dmitriypi6983 Whether it's a first installment doesn't say anything about what quality it should have. I actually love Fallout 1, I just think the type of criticism you're giving isn't very substantial.
I know some of the music is loud. I'm sorry =( Check out, How Fable was made here, ua-cam.com/video/5IzamQvbYhY/v-deo.htmlsi=mqVZj9Me5ARtcFhR
My only suggestion is Turn the background music down
Indeed! I experimenrted with the volume on this one. I thought my volumes were too low on previous videos and this one was a bit too high >< Thank you for the input. I wish youtube would allow you to swap the video out with corrections lol without having to completely reupload
@@GameStudioLore thank you sir ! Other than that dude your shit is golden !! Don’t stop minor issue I just like to hear what you have to say brother and with the music hard to hear your commentary
"its finding the funny in the insane because if you dont, you will cry"
Emil explained how everyone feels about his writing. We have to laugh at it, because if we dont, we gonna cry.
I laughed at this lolol
I've watched several of your videos now. Definitely earned a sub. Good luck in your future videos!
hey thankyou so much! The analytics say I dont get many viewers watching more than 1 video right now in a session, so its cool to hear someone watching more than 1
Fallout 3 has always felt like a commercially released fan game complete with fan game problems both technically and narratively.
Fallout 3 is the most underrated Fallout game. It doesn't get the respect it deserves despite how good it is
Because it's not particularly good at anything it tries to do outside of its art direction. The combat is terrible, the rpg mechanics are superficial at best and the world is chore to explore. There are marked locations in Fallout 3 with nothing of note to do in them, why?
Great vids! have watching the 2 Fable vids and this one so far.
Great commentary, story telling accompanied clearly very detailed research.
Keep up the good work, you're channel and these vids will no doubt catch some major traction very soon!
Been binging a bunch of your videos today, and I'm enjoying them a lot. You've improved a lot, and i think you should keep it up. This video is really well researched, and even though i feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable about the story of Fallout development, your video offered me many new insights. Thanks for making these!
Aye thank you very much! I really appreciate that! I try to make sure every video is a little better than the last. Still got a ways to go, but im glad you an others are enjoying them
15 years passed and some things wont change at all. Every time someone talk about fallout, there will definitely be someone who will talk about why 3 is not a fallout... who also get pissed off by mentioning BoS and online. XD
I just needed an angle to make this story intriguing and I knew this would get peoples attention. My personal opinion isnt in the video, its really just a comparison to van buren and bethesdas choices to change elements of gameplay
thanks for watching
Just don't try to argue with people like that or when they get pissed they will rage quit and call you names afterwards LOL!
I like the argument, that technically that everyone thing pass Fallout 1 could be considered 'not a fallout game'
Issue is Fallout 1 and 2 were not as popular games back in the day because they were pc exclusive (not everyone had one) so when bethesda made fallout 3 they actually put the series on the map for a lot of people. A lot of people ask "why enclave bad?" In regards to 3s story...and its to explain to people who havent played the first games who the first bad guys were in the series also what theyre capable of. To me they actually developed the theme in a more meaningful way same with the tv show insinuating vault tec started everything. Different? Yes. More developed? Definitely. I liked your video though I just view 3 as my favorite fallout game because the range of things to do with dlc as well the setting.
I think it was smart Bethesda continued to latch onto the original lore for that reason. I know Cain said hed do the story differently, but Bethesda were already changing basically everything, so going with an entirely new story might have been too much, but maybe not as I would guess a lot of the audience was new to the franchise anyway.
thanks for watching! I never say my opinion in the video, something i'm getting in trouble for lolol, so in the future vids I might have to add it, but to me FO3 is a great game. Its not the original no, but I think bethesda did a great job and they showcased the fallout franchise to literally millions of people
The Enclave shouldn't have even been in Fallout 3 - they weren't made to be the major antagonists of multiple games.
They undid development more than anything else.
@@DBArtsCreators They are a pre war/post war faction that had a bunch of the best resources in prime Condition, also had caches and outposts all over the U.S. It's not crazy to think after the oil rig blew up other branches absorbed the left overs from that and decided to just go for the mainland.
@@DBArtsCreators Also don't tell me they wouldn't have a base in DC lol
@@ChadOfAllChads
They wouldn't - it was specified in FO2 that they left all their continental bases for the oil rig. They wouldn't have returned to the bombed-out seat of power when it literally had nothing to offer them (which it doesn't in-game - the mobile missile platform had to be added as DLC to justify their presence there, and even then the mobile missile platform doesn't hold enough value to be worth such high priority).
Had Fallout 3 followed its original timeline and plot (set 20 to 50 years after the nukes dropped, with no Brotherhood nor Enclave present. Such a situation could have seen an outpost of government officials communicating with the Enclave from Raven Rock - essentially a third party acting as the Enclave's intermediary as a prequel to FO1 & 2 as said Enclave assesses how to handle the mainland).
Dude how do you not have more subs ?!!!!! Dont stop man I look forward to all your videos like this bro keep it up 👍🏻!!
I really appreciate this! thank you!
@@GameStudioLore anytime man ! I don’t understand the “algorithm” but they need to push this quality content versus the garbage 🗑️ stuff I normally see ! Again don’t stop your time will come bro 😎
It's positive additions outweigh it's negative changes. Much like NV, it revitalized the series from death and irrelevance and can stand with the older titles. You want to make an argument for 4 and 76? I'm all ears on that, but leave 3 alone. It's a solid entry.
its only positive was getting more people access to & awareness of the series. The rest of Fallout 3 is negatives, top to bottom.
I tried to get into fallout for years I own the originals and NV never touched 3 or 4. However Fallout 1 and 2 were a little too involved for me especially cause I like playing with a Controller and I felt lost in new Vegas it felt more like a game for fans than for newcomers, I needed a proper introduction. Recently I finally gave fallout 3 a chance and although it is not the best in any of the aspects and I can understand many of its shortcomings when it comes to the world of fallout, the factions and so much else. Having said that it was the introduction I needed and I am truly looking forward to playing NV again this time with a better understanding of all the different parts within fallout.
Nist found your channel. Thank you! I love video game documentaries! Gonna watch all your stuff.
Clickbait title is a detriment to an otherwise pretty good* video. What do you mean "And why it isn't Fallout"? Did you just forget to add a second half to the video or something? I'm not one of those people that hates on everything to do with Fallout 3 but I at least expect to hear some kind of criticism or perspective about "Why it isn't Fallout" when I click on a fuckin video titled "How Fallout 3 was made and why it isn't Fallout".
*Also, if I could give you a bit of advice here, audio mixing could use a little tweak. There were points in the video where the background music was almost as loud as your voice was and it became kind of hard to concentrate on what you were saying. Otherwise, you did alright. Keep working at it, I'm sure you'll go far eventually.
Agreed! I was waiting for the criticism, looked at the runtime and realised that with 3 minutes left, it wasn’t happening. Shame since the video is good, but the title is misleading which pissed me off.
Overreacting much?
bro stop over reacting its not that deep
@@GameStudioLore I'd simply change the title to be more reflective of the opinion you're trying to convey. You'll get reactions like these literally all the time if you keep making titles like these.
thanks for saving me time, this entire video is a fallout 3 making of documentary.
I think I'm one of very few people who enjoyed and respected the Fallout 3 ending. I always make a new character after beating Skyrim because the world feels like it can't go anywhere afterwards. And games like Morrowind often have you be this prophetic character, who you can avoid being if you want but has a destiny. So I liked Fallout 3 following through on it's theme. But I get how it could disappoint others. More stills could have helped too like Tim Caine said.
Another fun release ! Thanks for the vid boss
appreciate it! thanks for watching !
Even though we never got Van Buren as the designated group GM & someone in the games industry I'm of the opinion far more RPGs should utilize tabletop playtesting more often. It's efficient, cost effective, a good way to get the team together regularly, & arguably just as informative as playtesting as far as broad system mechanics are concerned.
I think it's pretty cool they did that. It makes a lotta sense and yeah, it's arguably the same, just not in game form. Thanks for watching @
cool video, always willing to watch some fallout-related stuff
(the music is a bit loud sometimes though)
dang it, i hope it wasnt annoying. Im trying to figure out the volume still on music tracks
@@GameStudioLorenot super annoying, just gotta pay extra attention
😁😅
@@GameStudioLore new comment so you don't miss it: I can't run smoothly adobe premiere in my old pc so I use filmora
it has an option to automatically lower the volume of everything else once you add new audio tracks
I'm currently learning to use da vinci but I'm sure that's an option every video editor has
@@villings I use davinci. I will have to look into this. Thank you!
Visually, the tone is steller... there's such a strong Twilight Zone and Planet of The Apes esc sifi-horror asethetic, it's really omni-present and powerful.. personally, I think of it as one of the most nuanced and just incredible games from an art direction and overall world design standpoint.
AH SHIT! another banger
thankyouuu
Here we go again...
I adore Fallout 3, it's my favourite one. Granted, I've never played the first two isometric ones, I have no interest in those.
they do seem pretty cool from what I was seeing when I was going through the footage tho, but i get it. Thanks for watching!
That's a tragedy. They're the best games in the series
I wish they went with a soundtrack that is closer to Mark Morgan’s soundtrack which makes those games scary I like a few subway tracks but that’s it
yeahhh. bethesda was def going for the action-y hero vibe
get a mod that disables the combat music
the ambient is actually really good, its original while having this kind of a uneasy vibe
I don't care what anyone says Fallout 3, New Vegas, and Fallout 4 are some of my favorite games of all time next to Metal Gear Solid 3, and Minecraft I know their buggy but if you look past the bugs their great games in my opinion
It doesn't have the best writing in its series, but the gameplay is more fun to me than the first two fallout games.
It's not surprising that Obsidian did a better job than Bethesda, Bethesda got the design work from Black Isle studios for Fallout 3, didn't have anything for Fallout 4 (that is the worse game), Obsidian that had original Black Isle studios developers did the better Fallout in 3D, New Vegas
New Vegas is a shitty mod, get over it
@@doomfusion1807 If a shitty mod it's better than a published game in terms of game design, i don't know what to call F4
While i agree that New Vegas was indeed better than Fallout 3 , it wasnt better than Fallout 1 and maybe 2 .
F3 was shallow at the end but New Vegas just was a bit too wacky and over-the-top overall that broke the tone and atmossphere of F1 .
But i think Fallout is on itsself done .
A new IP should push RPGs based on the Post-apocalypse-setting with its own approach and go for a more serious and adult oriented setting that doesnt end up so inconsistent as Fallout became after F1 .
@Snyperwolf91 Yeah but with the best 3D Fallout I meant not isometric
New Vegas fans really are the vegans of gaming.
Fallout 3 is definitely Fallout.
Nah
@@juliuscaesar6748 Yeah.
Not at all. It's a cosplay, no more Fallout than a Lego Star Wars is actual Star Wars.
@@DBArtsCreators Wrong.
@@heetheet75
Nope.
Subscribed for game dev history, unsubscribed for fanboy wars.
alright. Thanks for watching
Fallout 3 is a masterpiece and also the least and most Fallout of the Fallouts
lolol. Its funny that sentence makes sense
Fallout 4 gameplay and general mechanics etc with Fallout 3 vibes/atmosphere, would be amazing.
@@MFKitten if bethesda remastered 3 and NV in the Fo4 engine Id buy it immediately
we can finally play the true fallout 3
its called fallout: yesterday and is a fallout 2 mod
oh interesting, ive never heard of it
Tod ruined fallout
Bethesda is just an awful developer. Their last good game was Morrowind. And it was during a time when a huge open world (that also has a great design) was new and unique to people, so you could easily forget about story, dialogue, quests, atmosphere. Everything after Morrowind is just utter trash in comparison to other RPG shooters. Giving those guys the keys to a rich and dense RPG world was a huge mistake.
Ayo morrowind was my next video =) I get the sentiment, bethesda has their style and there has been controversy with Emil, but at the time, they had the cash and nobody else really tried to get the IP >
Bethesda outbid the devs of Fallout who had built a different studio (not obsidian yet), which I consider disrespectful.
Them not going bankrupt because of Morrowind being successful only had negative results in the industry.
"keep it simple stupid" has been a curse in western rpg game development.
I would sacrifice having played Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 76 and New Vegas as long as we got Van Buren if it was a first person game (not on gamebryo 🙏).
But regarding the original devs I really dislike Tim Cain and how he gets credit as the creator just for being the director, like it wasn't a collective effort in all creative endeavors.
Tim Cain only was the director of Fallout 1, then he left, and 20 years later he directs the failure that was The Outer Worlds and the game is promoted as "from the devs of fallout new vegas" when he was not involved in New Vegas. It was even sillier than Back 4 Blood being promoted with "from the creators of Left 4 Dead".
Also another thing I don't like about Tim Cain is that he made a video complaining about young devs not knowing how to interact properly or getting offended at things, then he turns around, gets credit for Fallout like he did it all in his basement, like Chris Avellone didn't contribute the most creatively to the franchise's narrative, and praises the abomination that is the TV show that violates the canon set by Fallout 1, which he worked in (likely hoping promoting it will make Todd give him another run with the franchise).
I hope Tim Cain stays away from the franchise, and I hope Chris Avellone goes back into the franchise he loved and cared for, especially after being slandered to hell by nutjobs online.
@@MashupsByMandy
>"it's disrespectful that Bethesda outbid the devs of Fallout"
>proceeds to disrespect one of the devs of the orginal game
First off, Tim and his company at the time Troika were already being bled dry by Activision during the making of VTM Bloodline which came out in a very buggy state and led to the company closing it's doors. There's no way they would've ever gotten Fallout even if the game was successful initially.
Secondly, Tim acknowledges other people that worked on the game all the time on his channel. He doesn't act like a one man show at all. The only person getting offended by anything is you.
Finally, while I appreciate Chris' writing style, he's also made a lot of shoddy lore decisions and clunky dialogue. Ulysses from Lonesome Road and the childish humor of OWB being just a couple of examples.
But hey, you do you, buddy.
@@Greedyselfish97 My disrespect doesn't affect his ability to feed his kids doing what he loves. Going around people's backs and outbidding them for their own creation is ridiculous. There is a reason why folks did not do that even in the american south 160 years ago.
Regarding Old World Blues I have seen conflicting reports regarding it being a Fallout 3 DLC that was repurposed and rewritten to work with the Fallout New Vegas story. If that is true then Avellone is not to blame.
My issue with Avellone's writing is more about what he did not get to do, like nuking the NCR again because "they got too big" and "weren't useful anymore", which is a stupid idea. Dude has the entire world to use for a story and keeps going back to california for no good reason.
Tim does acknowledge other people in his videos sometimes, does zero effort in stopping people from the internet in treating him like "fallout's dad" when they go around using him as an argument about why people who don't like the tv show are "wrong". Hey, at least that is better than folks crediting Todd Howard for Fallout ever existing like big news media did during the press announcement
elease circle days.
Ya.
Probably the worst part of their handling of the Fallout franchise is that for FO3 & FO4 (can't say anything for the fuckup that's FO76), there are the elements of good games & stories under there. They're just buried under and crippled by all the Bethesda bull, sabotaged because Bethesda couldn't simply make a good game first and then add all the extra bells and whistles they wanted to play with.
It's a Fallout game the same way Bethesda is a game developer. Or the same way the TV show is a Fallout product. Or the same way Todd is a human being.
Fallout 3 location placements and quests are most of all time. Like I sure do like when Republic of Dave 5 minutes away from Old Olney that is inhabited by Deathclaws. I sure do love that 70% of plot can be avoided without exploits and 90% with them. I sure do love illusion of choice for the most of the plot. I sure do love that all viable endgame builds lead to energy weapons + x-02 power armor. I sure do love that unarmed and melee builds are pretty much non existent. I sure do love perks that increase numbers, to increase other numbers and don't do anything else.And I sure do love an entire ending bit in Jefferson Memorial, just all of it, from "boss fight" to companions saying to lone wanderer to kill themselves because its their destiny
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You could give these same stupid and trite criticisms about anything.
1. I sure do love how Fallout 1 has skills which are used all of but 2 or 3 times in the whole game.
2. I sure do love how the final boss had no idea is master plan was doomed based on a very simple fact, and he'll just kill himself once you tell him.
3. I sure do love the cast of companions with one note characterizations, and with which you'll never have a conversation with after they join you.
4. I sure do love how one can nearly 100% the game, but still lack the needed XP to be the levels that the final locations are designed around.
5. I sure do love how some skills and stats are not just downright useless, but counter productive.
@@johnnylollard7892 Great point and all, but fallout 1 has 1 in their for a reason literally first installment. Whats 3 excuse beside nostalgia?
@@dmitriypi6983 Whether it's a first installment doesn't say anything about what quality it should have.
I actually love Fallout 1, I just think the type of criticism you're giving isn't very substantial.
@@johnnylollard7892 It isn't criticism, I'm just had meltdown back way then about fallout 3 lmao