I think that may have some real potential. I wonder if you can get money rolls like that from another country. May have a coin size thats a tiny bit smaller.
It might be more practical to figure out the diameter and machine a steel form to make the rolls at home. I think it wouldn't be too difficult to roll crimp the end.
I've done kind of the same thing with my .62 Pedersoli Indian Trade musket and my .69 IX-D Cavallerie carbine, but not the dime rolls. I found that some of the heavier paper that comes in some packing boxes (the stuff Track of the Wolf ships for instance) and the paper bags that Dollar General uses makes great paper cartridges, you just need a template to make them. I used Duelist1954 and Cap N Ball's videos on how to make paper cartridges and use a string to separate the shot from the powder and they work really well.
Great thinking outside the box Ethan. Seems like I had a short conversation with Garrett on this subject in the past. Except I made some notes on how sizes of wood dowel is a 1/32 under advertised size. Wads are too easy to cut a a variety of sizes. But your thinking as I always think. Great work
I’ve made shot cups using heavy grocery sack paper filled with 7.5 lead shot but no powder charge. Powder was measured out separately first and dumped in the bore , followed by a wad , then the shot cup on top. …Results were acceptable and almost as fast are the dime rolls and much Easier to load.
What would happen if you put a small coat of Bore Butter along the outer part of cartridge (around the area holding the shot) would that help with the cartridge sliding down the barrel?
Man, talk about birds of a feather. I just came up from the ‘armory’ and building paper shot cartridges and heres Ethan on the UA-cam! 😂 I like the ability to carry different shot sizes but I gave up trying to get shot down the barrel in a complete package. I roll em so I get my parts in proper order: Powder, Fiberwad, shot, then paper to seal. I’ve been waxing my paper for weather and burn retardant. I’m addicted to rolling cartridges as much or more than shooting my smoothbore. 🥴 Might try to roll some shot in those TruWave hair papers. They burn away in a cap n ball so maybe they could be useful if rolled tight and thin.
Hey Ethan! The is a great idea that merits some more thought and experimentation! I can't help but wonder, that if American Coin Rolls (Penny, Nickel, Dime & Quarter) are not quite the correct size to fit down the barrel of the most popular bore sizes for muskets & fowlers; that perhaps "Foreign" coinage rolls (Korean Wan, Mexican Peso, Canadian Penny, etc.), might literally and figuratively, be a better fit?! Easy availability might be an issue, though.
load suggestion equal parts of powder, corn meal and shot with one over shot card. fast to load and makes a good pattern. corn meal serves as wad and shot buffer and won't catch on fire. try it you might like it
It's an interesting idea. I think I'll try it with just the shot and cornmeal buffer in the tube and pour the powder by itself. Might give the tube a little more compressibility. IF it works it will still be a big time saver.
I might have to try the .69 round ball version. I’ve been wanting to take my bess out for Pa flintlock deer season but I haven’t found a load I trust enough for a consistent humane kill with my shooting abilities.
Knowing your and your firearms limitations and sticking within them are what makes an ethical hunter. I applaud you. I have a .75 Pedersoli Brown Bess and use a patched .735 round ball with 90 grains of 2f. I feel totally comfortable within 40 yards (which here in WV is not unrealistic). I do not load it for speed but like my rifles. A reload is no slower than any patched round ball and you can pre-measure the powder charges.
My name is Roy Cash I want to tell you that you can take a 12 gauge plastic wad that holds a 1 oz load of shot and with one inch masking tape wrapped around it with a quarter inch of the initial flaps on the wad still slit it will make a tighter pattern in a brown Bess musket and will work very well in a 20 gauge trade gun try to use a little more wadding under the plastic wad I would like you to try this experiment on your channel works great on squirrel. Put God first.
Dime cartridges,eh? A great idea but what I found delightful was the musical notes on the way down and then,,,,BANG! Cool! And with the round ball that was preddy impressive I must say. Thanks Much and Many Blessings Bang Bang Boys! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania coming to your from my Holler
I use 3x5 cards from dollar tree. I wrap them around a 20ga shot shell and glue them. After they dry, I fold the bottom under making a cup. Maybe a touch of glue underneath. I carry my charges in home made quick loaders. I dump the powder in, seat my over powder wad, drop in the shot and cup. An over shot cartridge. And seat it all in one shove. It is quick and easy. More importantly a nice tight pattern. I've killed quite a few pigeons with it. This is for a CVA12 ga. Normally 75grains 2f and equal volume shot. The card stock around a 20 guage shot shell is a perfect bore fit in a 12. I get 2 cups ber card.
Was wondering if you cut the tube length wise with scissors fold one edge out and the other in will shrink the dia. Super glue it back together. The folds will give you a locking crimp. You can get sheets of cork at craft store. Cut wads. Your on to something good. Shotguns are slow to load from the muzzle . You need a good load that patterns well for a good ethical kill.
I've been wanting to watch this video for a few weeks, but only recently found the time. I was interested to see how the paper dime roll would work. It think it did better than I thought it would.
Hm, what if you made a sort of paper shotshell? I'm thinking of the coin roll or heavy paper tube being loaded whole. Put a wad below the shot (kind of like a shot cup) and a crimp or paper wad on top. To ensure ignition, take a needle smaller than your powder and make a bunch of pricks all around the base of your cartridge so that the jet of flame from the priming powder can penetrate to the main charge. This would require a small priming flask for the pan, of course.
I'm assuming it was 100gr of shot by volume? I'm not sure what that weighs out to be, but it seems super lite for an "11Ga" Thunder Chicken load. Seems more like a small game field load. Then again I couldn't see your patterns, so if it's tight enough with enough penetration to get the job done at the distance you're looking to take em at, then there's no reason to have a massive load that rattles your teeth loose. If you are interested in trying different shot loads, possibly consider having the powder in a separate paper tube, and the shot in it's own wrapping/tube. Kinda like on a cannon with canister shot. Could always try the dime rolls that fold over on both ends, probably order em online cheap. I don't know if it would be better worse or the same. Keep up the good work guys! Can't wait to see more!
@@Real11BangBang cool, 105 gr of shot is just under 1/4 oz but if it's dense enough for you to take turkeys then I say go for it! Most 12 ga field/skeet loads are 1 to 1 1/8 oz of shot. Most 12ga Turkey loads are 1 3/4 to 2 1/4 oz of shot. So more shot might improve your pattern density, but if it's dense enough already then no need to go up.
I do something similar with my 20 ga Fowler. I took a wood dowel and made it a little under bore diameter with duck tape. I use that as a mandrel to form a shot cup using brown paper bag material.. I just use it as a shot cup as I find it eliminates the hole in the center of the shot pattern. You can probably make it work for a paper cartridge. I hold it together with masking tape.
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Did you try to lube the paper or use wax on it before shooting? Interesting video.
I think that may have some real potential. I wonder if you can get money rolls like that from another country. May have a coin size thats a tiny bit smaller.
It might be more practical to figure out the diameter and machine a steel form to make the rolls at home. I think it wouldn't be too difficult to roll crimp the end.
@@fhorst41 agreed that it a much better way to to do this.
I've done kind of the same thing with my .62 Pedersoli Indian Trade musket and my .69 IX-D Cavallerie carbine, but not the dime rolls. I found that some of the heavier paper that comes in some packing boxes (the stuff Track of the Wolf ships for instance) and the paper bags that Dollar General uses makes great paper cartridges, you just need a template to make them. I used Duelist1954 and Cap N Ball's videos on how to make paper cartridges and use a string to separate the shot from the powder and they work really well.
Great thinking outside the box Ethan. Seems like I had a short conversation with Garrett on this subject in the past. Except I made some notes on how sizes of wood dowel is a 1/32 under advertised size. Wads are too easy to cut a a variety of sizes. But your thinking as I always think. Great work
I’ve made shot cups using heavy grocery sack paper filled with 7.5 lead shot but no powder charge. Powder was measured out separately first and dumped in the bore , followed by a wad , then the shot cup on top.
…Results were acceptable and almost as fast are the dime rolls and much Easier to load.
What would happen if you put a small coat of Bore Butter along the outer part of cartridge (around the area holding the shot) would that help with the cartridge sliding down the barrel?
I'll have to try that next. I'm also going to attempt to find some sort of smaller coin roll, maybe from another country on the internet
Man, talk about birds of a feather. I just came up from the ‘armory’ and building paper shot cartridges and heres Ethan on the UA-cam! 😂 I like the ability to carry different shot sizes but I gave up trying to get shot down the barrel in a complete package. I roll em so I get my parts in proper order: Powder, Fiberwad, shot, then paper to seal. I’ve been waxing my paper for weather and burn retardant. I’m addicted to rolling cartridges as much or more than shooting my smoothbore. 🥴 Might try to roll some shot in those TruWave hair papers. They burn away in a cap n ball so maybe they could be useful if rolled tight and thin.
Sweet. Dime roll... YES!!
Good idea
Canadian dines are a tiny bit smaller than American dimes--wonder if you can find Canadian dime paper rolls?
That was great. You definitely got me thinking thank you 🤠
I shoot at a state Rifle range
This is an outstanding idea. Great tip about using wax paper, too! 👍👍
Hunt alone😅
Hey Ethan! The is a great idea that merits some more thought and experimentation! I can't help but wonder, that if American Coin Rolls (Penny, Nickel, Dime & Quarter) are not quite the correct size to fit down the barrel of the most popular bore sizes for muskets & fowlers; that perhaps "Foreign" coinage rolls (Korean Wan, Mexican Peso, Canadian Penny, etc.), might literally and figuratively, be a better fit?! Easy availability might be an issue, though.
Thank you for giving me this idea. I'm going to go ahead and give it a try
@@Real11BangBang OUTSTANDING! Good luck and please keep us posted on any developments.
load suggestion equal parts of powder, corn meal and shot with one over shot card. fast to load and makes a good pattern. corn meal serves as wad and shot buffer and won't catch on fire. try it you might like it
I'll have to give that a try. Thank you!
I’d like to see this redone with something like a 2oz load of shot and 120gr of powder. A turkey target or poster board would be a great help.
It's an interesting idea. I think I'll try it with just the shot and cornmeal buffer in the tube and pour the powder by itself. Might give the tube a little more compressibility. IF it works it will still be a big time saver.
I'll have to try that
I might have to try the .69 round ball version. I’ve been wanting to take my bess out for Pa flintlock deer season but I haven’t found a load I trust enough for a consistent humane kill with my shooting abilities.
Knowing your and your firearms limitations and sticking within them are what makes an ethical hunter. I applaud you. I have a .75 Pedersoli Brown Bess and use a patched .735 round ball with 90 grains of 2f. I feel totally comfortable within 40 yards (which here in WV is not unrealistic). I do not load it for speed but like my rifles. A reload is no slower than any patched round ball and you can pre-measure the powder charges.
My name is Roy Cash I want to tell you that you can take a 12 gauge plastic wad that holds a 1 oz load of shot and with one inch masking tape wrapped around it with a quarter inch of the initial flaps on the wad still slit it will make a tighter pattern in a brown Bess musket and will work very well in a 20 gauge trade gun try to use a little more wadding under the plastic wad I would like you to try this experiment on your channel works great on squirrel. Put God first.
Dime cartridges,eh? A great idea but what I found delightful was the musical notes on the way down and then,,,,BANG! Cool! And with the round ball that was preddy impressive I must say. Thanks Much and Many Blessings Bang Bang Boys! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania coming to your from my Holler
Glad you enjoyed it Davey Jow and yes A musket ball hitting a steel plate is always as satisfactory sound
I use 3x5 cards from dollar tree. I wrap them around a 20ga shot shell and glue them. After they dry, I fold the bottom under making a cup. Maybe a touch of glue underneath. I carry my charges in home made quick loaders. I dump the powder in, seat my over powder wad, drop in the shot and cup. An over shot cartridge. And seat it all in one shove.
It is quick and easy. More importantly a nice tight pattern. I've killed quite a few pigeons with it.
This is for a CVA12 ga. Normally 75grains 2f and equal volume shot. The card stock around a 20 guage shot shell is a perfect bore fit in a 12. I get 2 cups ber card.
You could design a caliber appropriate size tube and market it.
Good ideas
thankyou!
I think it shot low because the small little bbs lost a good amount of energy and speed at that range
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*ROLL YOUR OWN in proper size ?*
Was wondering if you cut the tube length wise with scissors fold one edge out and the other in will shrink the dia. Super glue it back together. The folds will give you a locking crimp. You can get sheets of cork at craft store. Cut wads. Your on to something good. Shotguns are slow to load from the muzzle . You need a good load that patterns well for a good ethical kill.
I've been wanting to watch this video for a few weeks, but only recently found the time. I was interested to see how the paper dime roll would work. It think it did better than I thought it would.
Hm, what if you made a sort of paper shotshell? I'm thinking of the coin roll or heavy paper tube being loaded whole. Put a wad below the shot (kind of like a shot cup) and a crimp or paper wad on top. To ensure ignition, take a needle smaller than your powder and make a bunch of pricks all around the base of your cartridge so that the jet of flame from the priming powder can penetrate to the main charge. This would require a small priming flask for the pan, of course.
Gobble gobble, got any spare change mister?
Or keep the change you filthy animal.
@@Real11BangBang Nice !
I'm assuming it was 100gr of shot by volume? I'm not sure what that weighs out to be, but it seems super lite for an "11Ga" Thunder Chicken load. Seems more like a small game field load. Then again I couldn't see your patterns, so if it's tight enough with enough penetration to get the job done at the distance you're looking to take em at, then there's no reason to have a massive load that rattles your teeth loose. If you are interested in trying different shot loads, possibly consider having the powder in a separate paper tube, and the shot in it's own wrapping/tube. Kinda like on a cannon with canister shot. Could always try the dime rolls that fold over on both ends, probably order em online cheap. I don't know if it would be better worse or the same. Keep up the good work guys! Can't wait to see more!
100 grains by volume about 105 grains by weight as far as spread goes, I was getting about 3 ft. At 50 yards and about 2 at 25
@@Real11BangBang cool, 105 gr of shot is just under 1/4 oz but if it's dense enough for you to take turkeys then I say go for it! Most 12 ga field/skeet loads are 1 to 1 1/8 oz of shot. Most 12ga Turkey loads are 1 3/4 to 2 1/4 oz of shot. So more shot might improve your pattern density, but if it's dense enough already then no need to go up.
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I do something similar with my 20 ga Fowler. I took a wood dowel and made it a little under bore diameter with duck tape. I use that as a mandrel to form a shot cup using brown paper bag material.. I just use it as a shot cup as I find it eliminates the hole in the center of the shot pattern. You can probably make it work for a paper cartridge. I hold it together with masking tape.