Why 44 special black powder is special.
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- On the late 19th century American frontier, large .44- and .45-caliber cartridges were considered the epitome of handgun ammunition for self-protection, home defense, and hunting. Black-powder rounds such as the .44 American, .44 Russian, .44 Colt, .44-40 Winchester, .45 Schofield, and .45 Colt enjoyed a well-earned reputation for effective terminal ballistics, accuracy, and reliability.[4]
At the start of the 20th century, Smith & Wesson decided to celebrate by introducing a brand-new revolver design which they called the New Century.[5]
Smith & Wesson wished to pair their new revolver design with a worthy new ammunition chambering.[5] At the time, smokeless powder was state of the art in ammunition technology. Older black-powder ammunition was in the process of being converted to smokeless. Smith & Wesson's popular .44 Russian cartridge had established a reputation for superb accuracy and was a renowned target load, and they decided to use an improved smokeless powder version as the basis for the new round. Due to the lower energy density of the early semi-smokeless powders, prior efforts to convert the .44 Russian to smokeless had produced less than stellar ballistic performance. Smith & Wesson addressed this issue by lengthening the .44 Russian cartridge case by 0.190-inch (4.8 mm) and increasing the powder capacity by 6 grains (0.39 g).[6] The resulting design, which S&W called the .44 Special, had a case length of 1.16-inch (29 mm).
At 7:35 i say cross bolt safety, what i meant was spring loaded plunger for the base pin.
I'd give my neighbor's firstborn child for 3" of rain!
Good video Garrett. I enjoyed it.
TC
lol i know we got lucky
People don't know what to think when they see a big cloud of smoke come out of my charter bulldog😅
lol i need to give that a try
It's good to see a new video. Let me know when you do a deep dive into the .45 Colt, I've been doing a lot of work on that.
thamks. Will do
Back in the early '90's I was asked to leave an indoor range for shooting .44 Special BP loads in a .44 Charter Arms Bulldog. I cranked off 3 rounds in rapid succession and the bass effect from the muzzle blast was knocking things off the pegboard display on the other side of the wall. I was told to cease fire and put it away and NOT to bring it back.
haha and they call us fudds
Bet that made you feel Special.
If all I got is an indoor pay to play range, I'll just not shoot.
@@johnndavis7647 LOL! Yep, .44 Special. 😁
@@smartacus88 I just acquired the revolver and didn't have any rounds for it. But I did have a handful of .44 Spec brass, some .429" diameter JHP bullets, and a can of 3F black powder. I just wanted to make it go bang. The indoor range was closer than the outdoor county range.
I'm glad you brought out that 92 clone. Colt and Winchester are my favorite firearms. That 44 special round in black powder looks like a fun load to shoot. Cool pistol as well.
oh yes. i will be doing more 44 special tests in that rifle when i find my chrono lol
44 special is my love language. I like the round so much I have 3 different revolvers for it. A ruger flattop 44 special with a rw grip bisley grip frame, a Smith & Wesson 21 3" barrel with herrets trooper Jordan stocks,and a usfa 5 1/2 " with the really nice dome blue and case hardened frame. I shoot a revolver match with the usfa loaded with lee 200 grain at Russian velocities. I use snake shot every year all summer long. And either the 246 g round nose load or keith style bullets 900 to 1000 fps for everything else that might present the opportunity. As always great video good to see you guys again.
Thank you very much for watching. 44 special has Quickly become my second favorite Edge it out only slightly by the 45 colt
Excellent thanks
Glad you liked it
Church Lady: “Well…isn’t that special.”
Very nice pistol. Good trade. .44 Special is very under appreciated. I actually just got a 200 gr .429 Lee Mould.
lol yes! i need to do a test on 200 grainers. You can really push those light ones fast
@@Real11BangBang I actually got about 1230 fps out of my 19 inch Uberti Winchester 73 carbine using old Cleanshot 3F black powder sub when I first got the carbine with 200 gr .427 .44 bullets
Good video. I bet that lever gun was fun to clean up after shooting black powder in it.
lol yes but it needed it anyway so i didn't mind.... wouldnt want to do it every day though
Revolvers revolve. As they revolve, they are unburdened by the empty chamber in the cylinder that just revolved in the revolver, so that the revolver is unburdened by that past emptiness.
Next up; my rewrite of Queens' Bohemian Rapsody; which I like to call; Palestinian Rapsody.
Use Hogden 777 3f. Loaded so it slightly compacts the powder, do not crush load. Extremely accurate and the velosity is much better than BP. ITS MY FAVORITE LOAD IN MY 45LC. Easy clean-up, dont build up like BP.
that is true but if your not shooting black powder.... your not shooting black powder
Great video! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Handloading manuals say the Triple Lock is not appropriate for plus p loads. That is good enough for me.
There is an assumption being made here that the Triple Lock had the same Harding and metallurgy of a 1917.
technicaly there has never been a saami +p loading so no manuals officialy give the skeeter load for a non 44 mag revolver. just keep in mind elmer keith and the 44 Associates regularly pushed the triple lock up pass 28,000 psi. the gun could always handle it. i have also read quite a bit on the triple lock and i have never seen a change in Hardening or carbon between 1896 and mid 1920s.
@@Real11BangBang Between the extensive writing of Skeeter Skelton and Elmer Keith on the 44 Special in the S&W Triple Lock, if either one of them had experienced a "come apart" we would have definitely heard about it. As a matter of fact, Mr. Keith was famous for exhibiting the guns that he tested to destruction and I don't recall ever seeing a photo of a destroyed Triple Lock. Mr. Keith was definitely hard on his shooting irons! The firearms world owes a great deal to men like Skelton and Keith. Their names come immediately to mind when I hear the phrase "standing on the shoulders of giants." We will never see their like again.
Enjoyed your video, you need to do more. I do love me a 44 special and it is tied with me for my favorite round.
Thanks! Will do!
Close, but not quite. The 45 Colt has always been loaded with 40 grains of black under a 255 grain bullet. What you referred to as being 220 grains over 28 grains of black is actually the 45 S&W Schofield round - which was indeed adopted....... as SECONDARY STANDARD. This leads to why the 45 Colt is referred to as the "Long Colt" - because the soldiers didn't want the Schofield round (unless they actually carried the S&W), they kept asking the supply sutlers for the "long Colt round" ....... thus the renaming to "Long Colt" simply through constant use by the soldiers.
actually the military never officially used the 40 grians outside of some very early testing. it was 28-30 grains and a 255 grain bullet from the start for them. the Scofield round wouldnt actually work in the colt as the rims were to wide and would over lap so you could only load 3. in 1882 they replaced both the 45 colt and the 45 Scofield with with a new cartridge just known as the 1882 45 cartridge. it was 230 grain bullet on top of 28 grains. so misspoke when i said 220 grains. so yes as i said by the end of the 19th century the us army was loading the 45 saa down to 28 grains and 230 grain bullet and never actually used the 40 grain charge.
I like it!
lol i thought you might enjoy this
Good afternoon from Syracuse NY brother and everyone
good afternoon. thanks for watching
@@Real11BangBang that was a good video with a good laugh
I love it. I just did the exact thing. I have a 44-40 smoke wagon and just got a 44 special cylinder from VTI. I also have a blue Rossi 92 44 with the long barrel. Keep up the good work
thankyou very much
Awesome as usual.
Thank you!
3" of rain, lucky! We gut just a little under an inch... P.S. nice smoke wagon.
I don't mean to criticize because you made a great video with a lot of good information but when shooting low velocity loads be careful shooting at tree's i was doing this one time glanced off the tree hit another tree came back hit me in the shoulder did not go in but left a hell of a bruise that was shooting at 15 yards
thankyou that is a good point
Great video gentleman. I wanted to let you know that Dixie has 50-90 brass available, could be evolved into 50-70 if anyone was needing some. always enjoy your videos. God bless
thanks il look into it
Love your shirt...who makes it?
tlThis is a home spun shirt made by treadle treasures
@@Real11BangBang Thank you.
Did I miss something, you shooting 44 special in a 44-40?
yes they are both .429 now days. you can get a 44 special cylinder for a 44-40 pistol
I know, but I didnt understand you had a 44 special cylinder. Sounded like 44 special in a 44-40 cylinder. That was my surprise.
I have a Uberti that came with a 44-40 cylinder and a 44 Special cylinder.
I remember reading john taffins articles about the .44 special back in the 90s - early 00s. I sure wanted one. However, in all the time since then, i dont ever remember seeing a box of .44 special for sale. I still want one, but i have enough trouble finding some of the more rare rounds i use. Or even finding real blackpowder for that matter. I sure did enjoy watching you have fun with yours. The .44 special seems like a versatile round. Ive seen a couple triple locks. Really nice guns. They feel great in my hand and point just right. Good to see ya on 11bangbang. Take care
thank you its good to be back. ueah im afraid the only way to enjoy 44 special nowdays is if you handload
well done Garrett well done.. I know, smokeless vs black is different.
thanks Pilgrim. i think a little smoke allways makes it better
Man, I really enjoyed that video. I’d say definitely hang onto that revolver too. And I never knew that 44spl was originally a BP round. 👍👍
i will thanks for watching and yeah its a great little round
Great video!
I really like the 44 Special with Blackpowder. Shoots great out of my 1873 revolver and Cimarron 1873 rifle!
man it is a great round. thanks for watching
VERY interesting. It had not crossed my mind. With powder supplies the way they are now that could be Benifit. I know of another UA-camr in Michigan uses triple7. I am fairly new to your channel and I am SURE you covered before but what do you use to clean your cartridge guns that you shoot BP in? Thanks. Enjoyed it
i use just hot water followed by a little balistal. thanks for watching
Personally for me I think 44 special specs should be bumped up a bit to atleast 20-21k pressures. Keeping it at 14k just seems ridiculous considering how many guns from that era were handling high pressure cartridges and showing little to no issues.
100%
I dearly love the 44Spl. I shot my heavy reloads out of a Ruger flat top, 4 3/4. A very informative video. But you ought not exaggerate recoil. There is no way the recoil, even one handed, would leave the gun higher than head level. You have used your own strength to lift the gun 18 - 24 inches after the actual recoil. I don't like that. It doesn't impress anyone other than non shooters. I've seen others do that in a failed attempts to make viewers think the loading is a lot stouter than reality. Other than that I did enjoy watching.
this isnt exaggeration. what this is is leting the gun recoil then tossing the barrel up so my thumb sets back perfectly on the hamer for a faster follow up shot. in cap and ball revolvers i do it to dump the cap.
@@Real11BangBang Sir, I see that now. I really am sorry for making my ugly comment, not just because I was so very wrong, but also that I have no standing to make a negative comment to someone who is unselfish enough to offer your knowledge on this topic to others. I didn't stop to think about your endeavors to help and teach others, folks you don't even know, and to show what many never knew about that caliber. I don't offer this as an excuse, but since I've been stuck in this wheelchair, I have no few times violated those principles I have held on to since Christ intervened in my life and accepted my soul as vauable to Him. I have already talked with my Savior about this and other not-so-nice character changes since unrelenting pain has accompanied me day and night. The heavy pain killers no longer offer much relief. In a vain attempt to think of other things I sit here and watch gun videos. My wife, Janey, hovers over me always trying to make sure I have all I need and demonstrating the same special affection she has shown these last 54 years. I'm so thankful I have not barked at her. But bark at you I did. Maybe you will accept this apology. If nothing else, your calm response brought home that no one owes me anything and how rude I was to make a negative comment. I reckon all that sounds like I'm sorry for myself and that any offense I commit should be overlooked. Not so, not so at all. Actually, I have every hope that my upcoming surgery will place me again on God's good green earth and all the blessings he built into it for us. 1:30am now. Can't sleep with the physical pain and spiritual guilt. If there were a way to delete my comment I would. I didn't think about your followers (I am now one) and what they must think. You keep up the good endeavors. I appreciate what you do.
Mike Gibbs, Ormond Beach, FL.
Bang bang did yall get any of hurricane helenes wrath florida and the eastern side of ga. are still suffering from it
just got back from my fiances house
she been without power now for five days now power lines and trees are down all over her property two trees landed on her roof thing about is she is out in the country no electric means her well isnt working either and her mother is bed ridden but on the brighter side of things the nearest town got power back today so maybe there power will be on soon
fortunately no we didnt get anything out of that
can it take glock mags?
haha
themosinguy,
In my experience, anything that takes glock mags is slightly better than junk. Slightly... ☆
Just skip to 4:30
lol if you say so.