@@AurelionSass it would be good yeah, but the tone feels so off, jinks is sacrifing herself for them, a lot of ppl died and it's frame as a tragic moment but we get doom slayer music
Vander's personality is literally being repressed by what Singed has made him into. Repressed personality ≠ "mere plot device" Also, you can call everyone a plot device, there's no delineation between characters who all affect the plot/ other characters if you decide to shit on one specific character
@@Vario69 nha. it was just made to somehow make vi and jinks go from mortal enemies to ok we are all good now, let's help or undead werewolf papa with the grogu that falled on top of jinks head! literally his first scen finished with him recognizing jink BECOUSE OF A F***** GRAFFITI but that wasn't enought.... nooo, he needed to say ''pOwDeR?'' just in case u where to stupid to get it... god the second season was frustraiting
how do people not realize that warwick was perfect. much like viktor, it showed that the only way to true power was giving up humanity. Ties perfectly with the entire themes of the show
@@adamshev5105 Let's be honest: In Season 1 every character have suffered through getting ruined by Riot writers. Vander, Jinx, Vi, Cate, Heim they all were done dirty by this season staff
Yes and no. Even with another season, Netflix would only offer so much. A few episodes could solve the most important plot point in the show but nothing else.
Good story by itself, but this is canon and when you go back to the champions we all know and love that felt eternal and realize how everything about them is resolved in a few days….you ponder with how disappointing these champions are…all of them. Every single one of them.
@unromanoarecareanaveragero8275 the writers swear that the story was fully planned from the beggining, but i don't believe on this because nothing on season 1 seems to building up to season 2, not to mention everything feels so rushed
@@a_naotenhonome780they did say that they cut out A LOT from the series. Like there was enough timebomb scenes cut out to make 2 whole episodes. They really did fumble by just making two seasons.
@@seismic6435 yeah but a lot of plot lines of this season din't align with the plotlines of season 1, i recommend watching a video called 7 arcane writing betrayals that go more in depth to it
As other people suggested, it couldve been sooo good if Warwick was the only way Vanders ideals could exist in the Piltover-Zaun civil war. Like, since hes attracted by the smell of blood, any unnecessary violence would bring both sides to be slaughtered, forcing a temporary peace like Vander wanted.
@boxcutter4 Warwick is kind of a demon in LoL lore. Maybe make it revolve around the Chem Barons hunting and pushing Renata Glasc to the forefront would have been great.
that sounds so boring, and it would also have some of the same issues people have with pilties and zaunites teaming against viktor (but even more boring)
@@danatedawg1018 Cait and Vi had a good thing in season 1. Season two was a disaster, they breakup, and by the time you're done processing whatever happened, they're back together, then break up again, then back together like two episodes later. Vi had 0 character development trough the entire show even tho season one had moments that hinted about things she would work on as a character but never did. Build up and developing isn't the same thing. People can call it nitpicking but neglecting a main character to just focus on their relationship is valid criticism imo. That being said, I know they had a deadline and had to cut many things, so I suppose it is a consequence of that. Season 2 for me personally needed 4 acts, with 3, I was left with an unsatisfied feeling personally
The fact that Isha blew his face up would have been a perfect opportunity to have Singed inject him with more wolf DNA to have him look like an actual werewolf in the end and not beauty and the beast or Galio… 🙄
@@Gaming123ish well they gonna probably make a new skin for Warwick just like they did with jinx, vi, cait and other champs, they don’t always update the base model and they don’t have to match either the only base model character that got updated is Viktor
I was hoping Warwick would be Arcane's version of the Hulk, where Vander would constantly switch between a man and a monster. And he's just trying to control the switch between the two sides, especially if he change between a human or a monster.
Yeah, that would be very interesting. Ww is able of human speech so at least some kind of dialoge would be good, his only line was "powder" and that's it. They could even go for things like how in league pc ww calls Vi a traitor, showing how vander was dissapointed on Vi. There was so much potential but they literally just kill him.
Not really like this idea, we already have Hulk in MCU why adding yet another one? Warwick being an uncontrolled beast that gets hit with remnants of his humanity occasionally on the other hand is far more engaging idea
Well I think it goes both ways to be honest. Singed wanted to find a way to cure his daughter BUT he also needed more allocated funds and test subjects since Silco's passing will soon start affecting the SPEED of his work. I think the reason why Vander was weaponized was so though that he could demonstrate to that one Warlord, who overthrew the city, that he was both useful and ingenius. He created a beast that can and will destroy armies to his design, which promptly got him into a position of power soon after he was recruited.
another victim of the pace of the show and the scale they decided to end on, if they'd kept the scale smaller the pace wouldn't be insane and they'd have more time for stuff like this. They needed a smaller scope and less characters.
The problem was less the pacing, rather how far they wanted to go. Going from Season 1 establishing a backstory for the champions in the city they live in, to the big arcane-disaster was just too much.
I do agree, but personally I don't totally dislike what they did. One more season would have been a good solution but ran the risk of them losing public interest. I would have like vander/warwick to be more fleshed out in this show but it is what it is.
Fun fact: ww is not suppossed to be a werewolf but rather a chimera. He was wolf parts, bat ears, fox tail, etc.. So they totally jus scrapped that and said "he's a werewolf now". And honestly, everything that happend in arcane doesn't feel like past-to-present, but rather past-present-future. Like, showing their backstory, their present (vi being an inforcer, ww wolf kind of, jayce with hextech hammer, cait having two eyes,etc. All of the their league version in some point.) And then the future: Jinx dying (or not), Cait loosing her eye, Jayce and viktor kinda dead, ww turned into a puppet (how it would make sense for him to revert back? I feel like that wasn't their intention at all). My point is, i feel like arcane planned to show us the characters conclusion rather than how they are now the league characters. Literally league models just became how the character looked at one point (sort of) and not their present canon form.
Man, that's how I feel about the show. Past-present-future describes what Arcane is. Originally, it was just a 2-season series that wouldn't be canon and would end with Jinx's death at Vi's hands. They even have a sketch of it, so when Riot canonized it they couldn't show her death on screen and left it open so as not to disturb the lore of the game too much and other things were changed.
Damn so the Jinx we have in game is before season 2 episode 3 when she loses a finger to Caitlyn but why doesn’t she have her bullets tattoos on her arm just the clouds?
@@adnnebs well, we know that arcane desings are mostly a remake of their league version. Cait for example never got that fancy hat ,except when she was just firts introduced as a character in S1 but still just an enforcer hat, despite that she had a visual rework that same year. It feels like Riot saw that people saw how much people liked arcane and just said: "It's Canon now". I belive Arcane was just supossed to be another alter universe (in a game they release named "converged", there's a reference to arcane as another universe). So the answer it's that they are not good at character desing consitency. One example of this is ww arcane skin. In LOR he is just the Arcane version while in league he is a Wolf version of the arcane version. Maybe since arcane it's their first animated canon universe, they will learn about this and try not to recknon everything. They are a company after all, they will not waste money of visually update every champion for free, that's why the arcane versions are skins for sale despite being the canon version of the champ
@@DonghuaTianlong yeah, and at first i thought "hey, they are league champs even if they have some plot armor, it means they will be used for further things" but nope. A perfect example is ambessa. What was the point of releasing her as a champ if she was going to die?. League champs have that special thing that even if they don't release stories of them, you know they exist, that they are out there on runaterra. Everytime a new champ is released we are curious about how they interact with other champs, being voicelines or short easter eggs. But now with things like ambessa, is like, you are playing a character that is dead!. There will not be more stories, no more interactions and even if they are, it will not matter cuz she's dead!. If they released Mel (now she has powers so it makes sense) it would be more interesting because she has the potential of a future after her mother's death. Maybe she will try to discover the secrets of the black rose, or other things but the story potential is there. Being honest, i used to like when riot released a champ bc of their stories, they are supossed to be important in the world, or related to a big event. But nope, kasante is just a very strong monster hunter and that's it, akshan has a weapon ABLE to revive death people but he was just used as the funny relief in the ruination event, smolder is just a dragon and that's it, that breaths fire (even aurelion is just a dragon BUT A COSMIC DRAGON GOD CREATOR OF STARS). I know it's hard to make characters so strong because it would mess with the power scale but at least give them interesting stories. A perfect example was Vi and jinx, just two humans but their story is amazing. Or even Nasus and renekton story, a tragic tale of two brothers too
@@adnnebs Arcane wasn’t canon initially. It was only after the success of the first season that Riot officially declared the series as part of the canon. Now, they’re rushing to adjust the lore and rework characters to align with Arcane and their future projects. As a result, the current canon version of Jinx is essentially the one represented by the new skin. @adnnebs
they shouldn't have made vander/warwick such A BIG part of season 2... we should just get a few scenes of warwick saving vi or jinx or trying to kill them, he should remain a mystery, not something viktor has to fix, like what? xD
As a warwick fan from League i really did not mind his design that much he is still warwick just in a more classic hollywood werewolf style in order to communicate with the non league audience better emotions. Though i do understand that it does feel like a copout because a dog or a wolf is definetely also able to portray emotions easily. The weirdest thing for me is how they introduced him as being Singed's slave instead of an experiment that got out of his lab on it's own and is going crazy now.
what makes you think that Warwick died at the end? I believe that happened in the end burned his metal form away and then he heals into the Warwick we know from league.
@@boiho8960 ww came in 2017, they didn't take 2-3 years to design him. he was already there. it was not simultaneus especially since ww appeared in season 2
Arcane does feel like a prologue though and tbh its the only way it makes sense to me. League being at least 5 to 10 years after the event of Arcane (assuming League itself still exist in the lore). If that's the case Warwick in Arcane makes more sense anyway as he clearly wasn't fully transformed in Arcane. Christian Linke did say we'll see more of him too so he didn't die at the end. At least its how i personally took it as a big (900k mastery lol) Warwick fan and a huge fan of Zaun in general (if we get to pick an origin/starting zone in the MMO i'm picking either that or Ixtal).
Wait.. didn't they remove league and summoners from the lore like 10 years ago, because it was too constraining? There hasn't been "league of legends" as an institute of war in years (or stuff like fiddlesticks being stuck in a summoners broomcloset). And even when there was, the champions were from multiple timelines. How on earth would you fit aatrox the world ender with seraphine on the same point in time? Shadow isles just existing is a great example too. Arcane is just the start of the new overhaul of the cinematic canon story. I feel it to be absurd that people try to force league of legends as a core component for Runeterra. Even legends of runeterra would be a better match. I hope we get to see more content soon, so people would get a better grasp on their idea of expanding the role.
@@nemmorajala4699 Yeah that was retcon'd. Idk if the League even exists in the lore or if they just basically decided that League is their equivalent to smash bros but backwards lol. My point was mostly that there's seem to be a gap between how characters are depicted in arcane and in league, in terms of time/evolution. That has to be intentional.
Ambessa dies in Arcane, also Viktor gave up on his glorious evolution in the end so the prologe theory ruined too. It's just a full mess now. You won't find any sense, they f*ed up the storylines too much.
Whatever way they're attempting to make Warwick look like in the game in the future, it'll be just a complete forced bullsh*t. They had their chance...
@@WhatDoYouWant92 haven't you seen the lore walkthroughs from devs? The game hasn't been canon in years, and why would it be, since they are starting to make content like cinematics and world built games that need an actual story. Can't really say that the canon is a mess when it only includes the newer cinematics and a tv-show. And upcoming show about noxus could be one that weaponizes warwick and makes him a full furry for fans. Anything can happen. I am just glad that mess like shaco and broomcloset fiddlesticks are gone too
I do personally think the lore is still true to warwick, but with the lack of runtime available they were unable to cover the torture he went through. All I can do is assume that singed found his body after jinx set the grenade on him(before she escaped through a vent using shimmer, we see her purple flash before the explosion), taking him back for more experiments until he officially dies.
Why is peoples opinions on the show sad to you? :d It ain't that deep. It's a good and entertaining story and visually appealing to many people, lol fans and non lol fans. Not everyone has read all of leagues lore and not everyone get but hurt cuz they didn't just entirely copy-paste leagues old lore in to arcane.
despite what the co-creator said in the interview (i.e. that Warwick will eventually obtain his wolf form and his lore is still canon) I still find his "character" in arcane wasted and I don’t think I will never get over it soon. I'll rewrite what I already said about warwick in arcane in a post on r/warwick because I don't really feel like writing everything from scratch: ‘ll give my two cents on Warwick: the creators simply never intended to use Warwick as a character. For them, he was just supposed to be a plot device useful to make them close the season in nine episodes without making the reunion of Vi and Jinx as sisters seem unforced, and then subsequently create a scene of danger in which to sacrifice Jinx. Warwick is not a character, and sadly he wasn't built in Arcane to be one. Simply put, on the characterization side he has no character: he has no feelings, no flaws, no merits, he never makes a choice and never becomes the driving force of the story. He is not a character; he is a plot device. Functional? Certainly for the relationship between Jinx and Vi, but he has effectively killed Warwick as a character in Arcane. Honestly, I think he hasn't been totally ruined as a character, especially after the co-creator's statements (I mean, they could have been said for show and they're not actually true, but until proven otherwise they're canon) that confirmed that his LoL lore remains canon. And in reality, it could also be a decent basis for further exploring it in the future, all this Galiowick stuff and what happens next. But this remains: a potentially good basis but on which they haven't built anything. Then I repeat, the fact that they didn't instantly destroy his lore on the site, etc., confirms that his lore for now still remains canon, so more or less the damage has been "contained." But the disappointment remains, and it doesn't matter if in the future (as I HOPE they will) they will give an actual deepening of Warwick in future products related to Arcane; the damage to the character in Arcane will remain. Sure, I would feel relieved, but the disappointment of Warwick in Arcane will remain every time I happen to rewatch the series. And it hurts. anyway nice video you really expressed the problem and the issue well.
Every ww fan expected to get a fully Werewolf transformation after Isha sacrifice. That way WW would win a lot of lore from his human side before singed and pre Full WW as we all know. But... No... The plot uses him for connect the sisters and give singed a reason to revive Oriana ( i dont think that, this in fact, its a bad idea) and nothing more. Doing the Robot ww only scrap any posible way to arcane Vander to be the real WW since even if he survive the final explosion he losed the chems and singed its no longer interested in him since Oriana is saved so no point in give them again.... Also, i expected for the second season WW killing baron chems as his primary role in the lore is that and he didnt. Only couple of guards in the prision and a few noxus soldiers SAAAD.
Everyone has a right to there opinions but I honestly couldn’t agree less with some of these statements and comments. Yes I’m biased towards liking arcane cause that’s how I first got into lol but I don’t think they made Warwick bad in the show and I like every character and the story telling in both season, yeah they could’ve done stuff better but objectively there was nothing I genuinely hated… besides Marcus… and I think they did good. Also showing vander had a relationship with vi and jinx’s parents doesn’t make the bridge scene worse.
Honestly Warwick should have become nothing but a broken monster that makes us see that only the monster is left and echoes of the man , instead we got a massive disappointment
YES! Finally someone agrees. These LoL superfans are triggered that everything isn't absolutely exactly the way it is in LoL. And they're hypocritical for that take too because you don't see anyone saying Vi's Arcane design should be like her design in LoL. Also every character is a "plot device" so that itself isn't a valid criticism of Warwick.
Btw, Warwick survived. You can see something leaving the explosion jinx made and considering how insanely durable he is, it’s probably Warwick leaving.
Won’t lie. What they did with Warwick has to be one of my biggest disappointments from any show I’ve ever watched. I was so hyped and trusted them after season one to do it perfectly and so good. I haven’t felt so let down by a show since I don’t even know. This entire season was disappointing. But this in particular was made me sad.
Warwick, Viktor, and Jayce are characters from the great arcane season 1 please don't confuse them with Warren, Vincent, and Jake from this new spinoff show
I agree wholeheartedly with the video and i kinda wish Vander as a character had his story end in season 1, instead of trying to squeeze him this season as a simple plot device. However, I'm not sure if many people noticed, but Warwick actually starts going crazy and vomiting the lava after Singed injects him. They show a shot of him standing after that goes down, hinting that he did indeed manage to inject the serum when the other characters left the tent.
What made even less sense is that he seems to imply that he intentionally blocked out Vander's old memories, yet also says he made the beast because he wanted to restore his daughter, body and memories intact... SO WHY WOULD YOU INTENTIONALLY GET RID OF THE ENEMIES?!
Wow... I genuinely could not believe this was actually their attempt at warwick... Utterly depressing... I had hoped it was just another random monster 💀
I've made this comment in numerous Arcane Warwick videos. I truly feel that I didn't mind Vander's story even rushed until the automaton redesign. I was under the impression that we were seeing his incomplete transformation, and I thought Isha blowing herself up at that episode would have been the "death catalyst" to finalise his transformation instead of being tossed aside, but alas, I was also disappointed with the outcome.
yeah, completely agree. Why not have us see warwick cause chaos, until the prison scene where jinx fights him and manages so escape by a hair, maybe wounded, but then he tries to attack viktor camp and he instead regains parts of his memories when facing viktor? Only then jinx (and us the viewers) understand he is indeed vander and he chooses to only go against evil guys, until he goes for ambessa and Singed forces him to stop. That would have been a much better story than the rehab we got.
Vanwick makes no sense and shouldn't have ever been included in season 2. Vander's arc was complete. Bringing him back for this goofy werewolf story that goes nowhere is almost single-handedly what ruined season 2. Without it, there would've been 2.5 whole episodes that could've been devoted to the Zaun revolution, dictator Caitlyn, and Jinx/Vi conflict arcs that the whole first act was building towards, which just gets dropped entirely upon Vanwick's introduction and are never really picked back up. Not only did it completely derail the season, but it also retroactively hurt Silco's character. It makes no sense at all that Silco would be going after Vi and Powder, and treating them essentially like strangers in season 1, if he was close friends with their mother and was literally in part responsible for naming them. Season 2's flashback paints Silco like almost an uncle to Vi, which does not mesh at all with their interactions in season 1.
Overall, the main issue was rushing. Warwick’s character barely got any time to be explored, and since his relationship to the main characters (jinx and Vi) was being their father, that’s what the writers focused on. As a massive Warwick fan I’m ok with his story given the time they had to work on, and I feel a though there were some instances where they did him justice, but the redesign is what I find to be most disappointing. No snout and no tail? Criminal.
It was obvious they were going to do something like this from the start. If you’re not a popular League character, then your lore is disposable and irrelevant. Hell even if you ARE popular or basically the mascot (Teemo), they will quite literally overwrite the original lore. Teemo went from being a war vet to just a clumsy boy scout. Unforgivable.
i always had the fantasy of watching Warwick fight Blitzcrank, Singed's mutant vs Viktor's golem. Like what if viktor made blitzcrank as a protector of his comune, and singed used Ww to invade it
i get why they went with the human face because it's easier to convey emotions through microexpressions on a human face than on an animal (not impossible, but probably wouldn't work) i wanted him to just die and not be robotified bc not only does my mans keep getting punished, but also isha's sacrifice ultimately meant nothing 💀 then just show singed reworking him so he has his current league design or smth idk
6:22 nah, you're wrong about this. She didn't ask them to help take care of her child, she asked them to figure out the independence of Zaun and not to fail. But even if that was the case, it wouldn't take away from the bridge scene, it actually makes it more impactful.
@JasonGodwin69 It literally would make Vander feel more guilty than he already did. But that wasn't what she asked anyway, so why are we talking about it?
I pretty much fully agree. biggest issue for me it just boils down that they took the character that is in their original version supposed to be defined by their agency and gave him as little agency as possible. I don't particularly care much for the redesign but they really messed up in regards to what the character really embodies. The now retired lore/league warwick is a character defined by his struggle for agency, he does not want to give up to his beast side and even with no clear memories holds onto his principles and wishes to stay as good of a man as possible, struggling to keep his urge for blood at bay and only killing the deserving. His whole hook as a character is a man turned monster who despite almost being hopelessly lost in desire for blood still tries to hold back. On the opposite angle arcane still keeps the blood taking away his mind, but also lets him have his mind as vander for a while. But it just results in him being a bit of a hopeless creature that jinx and vi need to take to viktor, then he does get to save jinx that one time but then he dies, loses control again, gets turned into a robot that just obeys viktor and is there to make vi hesitate at the end. The real core of the issue for me is that I feel like there should have been some scene at the end where warwick breaks out of the control of viktor and does fight some of the noxians or similar, to show underneath he might not be vander but he is struggling to be a good. As it stands he kind of just gets to go out as a lazy ass miniboss which stings for anyone that loved what he previously stood for.
No hate but I think you completely overlooked the whole point of warwick. In short terms, he is a prime example of giving up humanity to gain ultimate power, much like Viktor
In the original original lore Warwick was kind of Singed 2.0 where he got cursed by Soraka into becoming a werewolf in order to embody his cruel nature. The last decades we see both in cinema and gaming world that the evil characters are being made like that cause society this or society that. An other example of my point is Viktor. Viktor's original lore was the mad scientist who wanted to get rid of his mortality and make himself perfect by his will. In arcane he was a cripple who wanted to make the world better with tech but then smth happened and Jayce led him to become that hexbionic and stuff. What happened to evil being just evil? Why it needs to be so complicated and mnonsencical?
I want villains to exists not just have them be broken ppl that why i like characters like old Singed because that many was evil just because he wanted to just like Jhin but now all the ppl that dont want evil to just be evil writes stories and it only works 10% of the time
honestly I was secretly hoping for a twist like Vanwick is the prototype of Warwick, after the events of the story Singed goes on to create Warwick with the knowledge he gained from Vander or something...
I like to think warwick escaped the blast and in the end is left with a damaged body in zaun and then is given help from some chem barons in hiding giving him His league form
While I agree with most things in this video 6:23 is incorrect. It isn’t a retcon. Vander knew Jinx’s & Vi mother & father given the fact he pointed to their corpses when they arrive at the bridge.
It was confirmed by one of the writers of Arcane in a interview that they changed Warwick's design and lore simply because they didn't like the orignal Warwick, which gotta be one of the lamest reasons I've ever heard :/
Singed did it to get ambessas attention bc she can get him all kinds of stuffs that helps his research to bring back his daughter. He succeded in the end.
And also bc warwick/vander had insane healing abilities in his blood. Everything singed did is connected to saving his daughter. Warwick was just another step to his success.
And arcane is canon so what we are seeing in the show that is now the characters new backstory. And i personally thing warwick looked amazing with this more human like appearanve and i loved everything about it. I love this story better then the og ww backstory. But this is my personal opinion again. Let me know what u guys thing.
Arcane season 2 was changed bc the writter refused to read the lore on the champs and the area, they activily ruined sooooooo many champs and riot pushing arcane victor as base was the final nail in the coffin, Riot basicly told its playerbase that we are no longer the target audience
The way singed made him i can only assume was the thought of him being a failed experiment that could be used as a weapon if things were to go to shit, which they kinda did when he was arrested.
They also could have made him look a bit more like wolf. I wasn't even sure if it was supposed to be Warwick or if they are going to add real Warwick later.
What did we expect? Riot never cared about the lore unless for profit Original writer of Warwick left Riot over a year ago. Arcane is just another hasty retcon to overall lore, while at least 2 champions in game still refer to summoners from 2009 lore We shouldn't get too attached, because riot WILL retcon it again ad infinum
2:20 i see it as a double value coin. both researching to revive her daugher and developing a weapon to use as a coin to get access to noxus resources to advance his experiments to solve death. Also i believe that this singed will still have a purpose to either solve death in a more general way or just experiment and upgrade humanity more similarly to lol singed
I found it annoying how they are trying to turn non-human characters more human, Kindred is a prime example with her skins. It kills their own identity and takes away uniqueness
People forget that arcane made league of legends lore very PG for the purpose to sell their skins the real league of legends lore is extremely dark which I personally love
I was ready for so damn much. From him becoming another common enemy to both Zhaun and Piltover to him staying somewhat sentient and becoming a horror that hunts down criminals, i was ready for so f*cking much. Not him being thrown away like a boring sidecharacter...
If the series had a 3rd season, they'd probably have flashed out more of warwick's character as well as others like Ekko or Ambessa. I think alot was cut so that they could fit the 9 episodes. Thats just my take
Arcane is stuck being a show that was meant to establish the world the champions live in and a story that is supposed to have an ending. Characters and characteristics were forced into it because they were required even if they do not make a lot of sense given the story that is being told.
The reason singe made warwick a warewolf monster was to use him as a bargaining chip with whoever would be in power after silco. We have seen singe already do this with shimmer. He made shimmer as an experiment to save his daughter but needed resources to do it. For that, he made a deal with silco to also make shimmer a drug weapon to gain control of the lanes. Singe then does the same after silco has died, he needs a new backer to continue his experiments so he creayed warwick as a perfect weapon to sell to whoever could give him what he wanted, that ended up being ambessa. Singe gets his backing from her, he also promises to give her the beast warwick. Then he discovers what Victor has made and thinks he can combine warwick's shimmer to victor to finally find a way to beat death, which he succeeded in Singe had everything planned out and you can see it all in the show if you pay attention to him
Good video, except silco and vander were only brothers in arms not actual brothers o7 but I definitely agree on points towards Warwick, such wasted potential, he felt like a prop to bring Vi and Jinx together instead of champion we know from league xd
Look, i think you got the wrong idea. I think we are just seeing the middle of the story of Warwick - the point of him going from Vander to Warwick. Why? Well understanding literature and quite literally watching the show. Singed created Warwick as an attempt to see the absolute peak of shimmer, and to see if that will help bring back his daughter - AND as a way in with Noxus. The peak with shimmer was to see how far it can go with regenerating the body, and to see what else was needed to keep it going (hence the wolf stuff like the double heart of the murkwolf needed to pump the blood in the body of vander). Vander is quite literally Frankenstien's Monster and Hyde mashed together. Vander should have died, but since he was barely hanging on - he was basically put on life support to see how far a shimmer infused body could go. From murkwolfs to other beasts and creatures all placed inside of vander as the sole brain - basically being Frankenstien's Monster. If warwick's backstory is still relevant, Vander was still alive and conscious during most of the insane parts. We saw in season 1 that singed didnt care if the person was conscious or had any pain killers - with jinx and rio and others. Here we can infer that Vander was probably conscious and driven insane, becoming more and more beast like. And then the shimmer injectors and such, forcing out his his primal and animalistic urges - he essentially becomes Hyde. Singed got out of this an understanding of what shimmer does to the body, and the fact that beasts probably wouldnt fully help bring back his daughter. But the regenerative source of the blood, that quite literally kept bringing vander back from the dead. Vi's punch literally shattered WW's skull. We can infer that singed has probably done the same. Things that would kill a normal body was nothing for WW. But how many of Vander's memories would be restored from this? Singed - and lesser extent - anyone that has damaged WW enough - has caused him to lose memories of his previous life. Singed would have learned that he is creating something he will eventually not be able to control - but a perfect weapon for someone that needs power. An unkillable beast on a battlefield. Hes already gained everything he could out of WW, now he just needs more funding to help his research into saving his daughter. Well Noxus is there. Well, why not get captured and show what he has and can give to them? Hence releasing WW. Now - Singed has gained "apex shimmer" in his own words, and in essence - a blood that can almost regenerate anything. But now he needs to learn to control the byproduct of the beast and insanity within it. (like what happens when everyone takes it). Well thats where Viktor comes in. He didnt know what Viktor was working on or anything. He only learned about it basically after meeting Viktor, but he knew then he could use it. But thats getting off track. As it is - Is WW dead? No. The fucker can survive an arcane bomb to the face with isha, and come out basically unscratched. watch the episode where ww is brought to heal viktor. WW woke up again after Viktor and Jayce decided to go MIA for the foreseen future. So what happens to WW? Well - hes probably lost a fair bit of his vander memories from when Viktor dying and then taking control. But it is doubtful Viktor burned them all. There are probably fragments remaining, but he probably has become The Monster and Hyde as one. The Monster in Frankenstein doesnt recall his previous life, well now, Warwick only has fragments. He is nothing but Hyde now. What does this mean? well Warwick is now the Warwick we know in game. More than likely, that Bomb that jinx detonated in his face, probably brought about the true monster. Of course he survived it. And whats at the bottom of the tower? Well zaun of course. Setting up him becoming a punisher like character. They said that the Characters are going to be set up to be their league counterparts, close their story out, or to fully rewrite them. WW's new background was made at the same time as the story for Arcane was written. Essentially, Arcane season 2 set up the Warwick we do know.
the show is a master piece but it doesn't mean its perfect and this video right here shows why. I love warwick's design and lore in the league and is pretty sad how they retconned his story, honestly the start wasnt that bad but how they "ended" his story is. I hope they end up making a movie for arcane's aftermath story (copium)
I kept thinking that vander would for a second be back and then simged seeing this wouldnhave given him a serumto remove his humanity and further mutate him to an actual werewolf like he looks in the game ,instead he became a drone that doesn't speak or express himself
Warwick: The uncaged wrath of Zaun.
0% wrath, 100% caged.
Episode 4 didn't happen apparently
@@Vario69 And you apparently missed the rest of the season that you love so much.
@@Vario69 the wrath of zaun went from werewolf to harmless puppy in less than an episode, stop the cope
@@jedi1417 Well yeah, there's no denying that. But you gotta admit, the prison scene was metal asf.
Too bad that's about all we got.
@@AurelionSass it would be good yeah, but the tone feels so off, jinks is sacrifing herself for them, a lot of ppl died and it's frame as a tragic moment but we get doom slayer music
The wrath of Zaun and former leader of the undercity, reduced to a mere plot device.
Wrath of Zaun was born in the end
fr i was happy when they got rid of both of the pIot devices in one go but sadIy he stayed
Vander's personality is literally being repressed by what Singed has made him into.
Repressed personality ≠ "mere plot device"
Also, you can call everyone a plot device, there's no delineation between characters who all affect the plot/ other characters if you decide to shit on one specific character
@@Vario69 nha. it was just made to somehow make vi and jinks go from mortal enemies to ok we are all good now, let's help or undead werewolf papa with the grogu that falled on top of jinks head! literally his first scen finished with him recognizing jink BECOUSE OF A F***** GRAFFITI but that wasn't enought.... nooo, he needed to say ''pOwDeR?'' just in case u where to stupid to get it... god the second season was frustraiting
how do people not realize that warwick was perfect. much like viktor, it showed that the only way to true power was giving up humanity. Ties perfectly with the entire themes of the show
Such a well made video. Warwick was a tool, used by the writers to reunite the sisters, then thrown away like trash.
Isha also kinda a tool to storyline of Jinx
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Let's be honest: In Season 1 every character have suffered through getting ruined by Riot writers. Vander, Jinx, Vi, Cate, Heim they all were done dirty by this season staff
Just like Viktor this season was a tool to create a treath big enough for Piltover-Zaun to put aside their differences and fight as one 🥲
I don’t see any problem with it, it completely fit the narrative of arcane, a very well crafted story
Like Isha
Arcane definitely needed one more season
Good thing the plot is still going
Not really, maybe just a few more episodes would solve problems with the pacing
Yes and no. Even with another season, Netflix would only offer so much. A few episodes could solve the most important plot point in the show but nothing else.
We are getting spinoffs, so we might get some answers
Good story by itself, but this is canon and when you go back to the champions we all know and love that felt eternal and realize how everything about them is resolved in a few days….you ponder with how disappointing these champions are…all of them. Every single one of them.
Arcane season 2 just feels like they are speedruning trough plot points, and never fully fleshing them out or having the time to utilize them better
This is why you ALWAYS plan a story with a concrete beginning, middle and end before producing it.
@unromanoarecareanaveragero8275 the writers swear that the story was fully planned from the beggining, but i don't believe on this because nothing on season 1 seems to building up to season 2, not to mention everything feels so rushed
@@a_naotenhonome780they did say that they cut out A LOT from the series. Like there was enough timebomb scenes cut out to make 2 whole episodes.
They really did fumble by just making two seasons.
@@a_naotenhonome780 brother what? We literally pick right back up where we left off.
@@seismic6435 yeah but a lot of plot lines of this season din't align with the plotlines of season 1, i recommend watching a video called 7 arcane writing betrayals that go more in depth to it
As other people suggested, it couldve been sooo good if Warwick was the only way Vanders ideals could exist in the Piltover-Zaun civil war. Like, since hes attracted by the smell of blood, any unnecessary violence would bring both sides to be slaughtered, forcing a temporary peace like Vander wanted.
Brother... a whole season about Warwick going CRAZY and both Zaun and Piltover teaming up to stop him would have been so fucking cool
That has got to be the most boring plot i‘ve ever heard of. An entire season about that?💀 No thanks.
@boxcutter4 Speak for yourself, I would have preferred an entire season about Warwick than this
@boxcutter4 Warwick is kind of a demon in LoL lore. Maybe make it revolve around the Chem Barons hunting and pushing Renata Glasc to the forefront would have been great.
that sounds so boring, and it would also have some of the same issues people have with pilties and zaunites teaming against viktor (but even more boring)
@@magical571 It sounds like you just don't like Warwick's characterization atp. He is a MENACE to Zaun.
also hated how they made vi super insignificant in season 2, just romance fan service
They made Vi useless, and ruined the CaitVi ship by rushing it and giving it 0 time to develop.
@@ballzsack1640 dont you love physical violence in your lesbian relationship written by a lesbian to play into bad lesbian stereotypes
@@ballzsack1640cait and vi literally had 7 episodes of buildup…
@@danatedawg1018 people love to nitpicking like always
@@danatedawg1018 Cait and Vi had a good thing in season 1. Season two was a disaster, they breakup, and by the time you're done processing whatever happened, they're back together, then break up again, then back together like two episodes later. Vi had 0 character development trough the entire show even tho season one had moments that hinted about things she would work on as a character but never did. Build up and developing isn't the same thing. People can call it nitpicking but neglecting a main character to just focus on their relationship is valid criticism imo. That being said, I know they had a deadline and had to cut many things, so I suppose it is a consequence of that. Season 2 for me personally needed 4 acts, with 3, I was left with an unsatisfied feeling personally
Thank God someone talked about the absolute horrible way they represented Warwick
They didn’t did a bad job, I think it fit perfectly
The fact that Isha blew his face up would have been a perfect opportunity to have Singed inject him with more wolf DNA to have him look like an actual werewolf in the end and not beauty and the beast or Galio… 🙄
@@adnnebs why it have to be a wolf? It wouldn’t make much sense from the story perspective
@@OneTomatobecause Arcane is canon to League and the two models dont match yet Viktor does make it make semse
@@Gaming123ish well they gonna probably make a new skin for Warwick just like they did with jinx, vi, cait and other champs, they don’t always update the base model and they don’t have to match either
the only base model character that got updated is Viktor
Bro had a full set of murkwolf jaws and didn't think the man killing beast needed fangs? Weak ahh Singed, where's the man who gassed Ionia
True bro. AND Arcane pretty has confirmed that Singed burning Master Yi's home village never happened.
Personally I think Warwick was fine until they made him a gloriously evolved werewolf.
I was hoping Warwick would be Arcane's version of the Hulk, where Vander would constantly switch between a man and a monster. And he's just trying to control the switch between the two sides, especially if he change between a human or a monster.
Yeah, that would be very interesting. Ww is able of human speech so at least some kind of dialoge would be good, his only line was "powder" and that's it. They could even go for things like how in league pc ww calls Vi a traitor, showing how vander was dissapointed on Vi. There was so much potential but they literally just kill him.
That used to be Mundo's old lore
He was, if you consider how they tamed MCU's Hulk
Not really like this idea, we already have Hulk in MCU why adding yet another one?
Warwick being an uncontrolled beast that gets hit with remnants of his humanity occasionally on the other hand is far more engaging idea
Not like MCU's Hulk, more like Hulk from avengers earth's mightiest heroes.
Well I think it goes both ways to be honest. Singed wanted to find a way to cure his daughter BUT he also needed more allocated funds and test subjects since Silco's passing will soon start affecting the SPEED of his work. I think the reason why Vander was weaponized was so though that he could demonstrate to that one Warlord, who overthrew the city, that he was both useful and ingenius. He created a beast that can and will destroy armies to his design, which promptly got him into a position of power soon after he was recruited.
Here is someone who pays attention to the story
Totally with you on this!
Thanks god someone pay attention to the story and doesn’t goes trying to to Nicki’s to fit their narrative because “oh look my poor WW character”
another victim of the pace of the show and the scale they decided to end on, if they'd kept the scale smaller the pace wouldn't be insane and they'd have more time for stuff like this. They needed a smaller scope and less characters.
The problem was less the pacing, rather how far they wanted to go.
Going from Season 1 establishing a backstory for the champions in the city they live in, to the big arcane-disaster was just too much.
or a couple more seasons
I do agree, but personally I don't totally dislike what they did. One more season would have been a good solution but ran the risk of them losing public interest. I would have like vander/warwick to be more fleshed out in this show but it is what it is.
Fun fact: ww is not suppossed to be a werewolf but rather a chimera. He was wolf parts, bat ears, fox tail, etc.. So they totally jus scrapped that and said "he's a werewolf now". And honestly, everything that happend in arcane doesn't feel like past-to-present, but rather past-present-future. Like, showing their backstory, their present (vi being an inforcer, ww wolf kind of, jayce with hextech hammer, cait having two eyes,etc. All of the their league version in some point.) And then the future: Jinx dying (or not), Cait loosing her eye, Jayce and viktor kinda dead, ww turned into a puppet (how it would make sense for him to revert back? I feel like that wasn't their intention at all). My point is, i feel like arcane planned to show us the characters conclusion rather than how they are now the league characters. Literally league models just became how the character looked at one point (sort of) and not their present canon form.
Man, that's how I feel about the show.
Past-present-future describes what Arcane is.
Originally, it was just a 2-season series that wouldn't be canon and would end with Jinx's death at Vi's hands. They even have a sketch of it, so when Riot canonized it they couldn't show her death on screen and left it open so as not to disturb the lore of the game too much and other things were changed.
Damn so the Jinx we have in game is before season 2 episode 3 when she loses a finger to Caitlyn but why doesn’t she have her bullets tattoos on her arm just the clouds?
@@adnnebs well, we know that arcane desings are mostly a remake of their league version. Cait for example never got that fancy hat ,except when she was just firts introduced as a character in S1 but still just an enforcer hat, despite that she had a visual rework that same year. It feels like Riot saw that people saw how much people liked arcane and just said: "It's Canon now". I belive Arcane was just supossed to be another alter universe (in a game they release named "converged", there's a reference to arcane as another universe). So the answer it's that they are not good at character desing consitency. One example of this is ww arcane skin. In LOR he is just the Arcane version while in league he is a Wolf version of the arcane version. Maybe since arcane it's their first animated canon universe, they will learn about this and try not to recknon everything. They are a company after all, they will not waste money of visually update every champion for free, that's why the arcane versions are skins for sale despite being the canon version of the champ
@@DonghuaTianlong yeah, and at first i thought "hey, they are league champs even if they have some plot armor, it means they will be used for further things" but nope. A perfect example is ambessa. What was the point of releasing her as a champ if she was going to die?. League champs have that special thing that even if they don't release stories of them, you know they exist, that they are out there on runaterra. Everytime a new champ is released we are curious about how they interact with other champs, being voicelines or short easter eggs. But now with things like ambessa, is like, you are playing a character that is dead!. There will not be more stories, no more interactions and even if they are, it will not matter cuz she's dead!. If they released Mel (now she has powers so it makes sense) it would be more interesting because she has the potential of a future after her mother's death. Maybe she will try to discover the secrets of the black rose, or other things but the story potential is there.
Being honest, i used to like when riot released a champ bc of their stories, they are supossed to be important in the world, or related to a big event. But nope, kasante is just a very strong monster hunter and that's it, akshan has a weapon ABLE to revive death people but he was just used as the funny relief in the ruination event, smolder is just a dragon and that's it, that breaths fire (even aurelion is just a dragon BUT A COSMIC DRAGON GOD CREATOR OF STARS). I know it's hard to make characters so strong because it would mess with the power scale but at least give them interesting stories. A perfect example was Vi and jinx, just two humans but their story is amazing. Or even Nasus and renekton story, a tragic tale of two brothers too
@@adnnebs Arcane wasn’t canon initially. It was only after the success of the first season that Riot officially declared the series as part of the canon. Now, they’re rushing to adjust the lore and rework characters to align with Arcane and their future projects. As a result, the current canon version of Jinx is essentially the one represented by the new skin. @adnnebs
they shouldn't have made vander/warwick such A BIG part of season 2... we should just get a few scenes of warwick saving vi or jinx or trying to kill them, he should remain a mystery, not something viktor has to fix, like what? xD
sht take
I would've rather he wasn't Warwick at all and just some random monster. He was BARELY a wolf and looked more like a toothy gorilla
As a warwick fan from League i really did not mind his design that much he is still warwick just in a more classic hollywood werewolf style in order to communicate with the non league audience better emotions. Though i do understand that it does feel like a copout because a dog or a wolf is definetely also able to portray emotions easily. The weirdest thing for me is how they introduced him as being Singed's slave instead of an experiment that got out of his lab on it's own and is going crazy now.
NOTE that Arcane started development simultaneously with Warwick's redesign and rework Arcane started 2014-2015 and ww rework came in 2017
you lucky they didn’t redesign him in game like viktor…
what makes you think that Warwick died at the end?
I believe that happened in the end burned his metal form away and then he heals into the Warwick we know from league.
@@demihau, should have
@@boiho8960 ww came in 2017, they didn't take 2-3 years to design him. he was already there. it was not simultaneus especially since ww appeared in season 2
Man thank you!!! Thank you so much! Finally someone criticizes arcane s2 well, something that I really had been looking for
Arcane does feel like a prologue though and tbh its the only way it makes sense to me. League being at least 5 to 10 years after the event of Arcane (assuming League itself still exist in the lore). If that's the case Warwick in Arcane makes more sense anyway as he clearly wasn't fully transformed in Arcane. Christian Linke did say we'll see more of him too so he didn't die at the end.
At least its how i personally took it as a big (900k mastery lol) Warwick fan and a huge fan of Zaun in general (if we get to pick an origin/starting zone in the MMO i'm picking either that or Ixtal).
Wait.. didn't they remove league and summoners from the lore like 10 years ago, because it was too constraining? There hasn't been "league of legends" as an institute of war in years (or stuff like fiddlesticks being stuck in a summoners broomcloset). And even when there was, the champions were from multiple timelines. How on earth would you fit aatrox the world ender with seraphine on the same point in time? Shadow isles just existing is a great example too.
Arcane is just the start of the new overhaul of the cinematic canon story. I feel it to be absurd that people try to force league of legends as a core component for Runeterra. Even legends of runeterra would be a better match. I hope we get to see more content soon, so people would get a better grasp on their idea of expanding the role.
@@nemmorajala4699 Yeah that was retcon'd. Idk if the League even exists in the lore or if they just basically decided that League is their equivalent to smash bros but backwards lol.
My point was mostly that there's seem to be a gap between how characters are depicted in arcane and in league, in terms of time/evolution. That has to be intentional.
Ambessa dies in Arcane, also Viktor gave up on his glorious evolution in the end so the prologe theory ruined too. It's just a full mess now. You won't find any sense, they f*ed up the storylines too much.
Whatever way they're attempting to make Warwick look like in the game in the future, it'll be just a complete forced bullsh*t. They had their chance...
@@WhatDoYouWant92 haven't you seen the lore walkthroughs from devs? The game hasn't been canon in years, and why would it be, since they are starting to make content like cinematics and world built games that need an actual story. Can't really say that the canon is a mess when it only includes the newer cinematics and a tv-show. And upcoming show about noxus could be one that weaponizes warwick and makes him a full furry for fans. Anything can happen.
I am just glad that mess like shaco and broomcloset fiddlesticks are gone too
arcane just had too many characters to juggle within just 9 episodes and its apparent that even the ones that did get the focus still suffered
I do personally think the lore is still true to warwick, but with the lack of runtime available they were unable to cover the torture he went through. All I can do is assume that singed found his body after jinx set the grenade on him(before she escaped through a vent using shimmer, we see her purple flash before the explosion), taking him back for more experiments until he officially dies.
They hit their head while writing season 2.
Arcane season 2 is such a disaster it's sad to see people praising it like it was anywhere close to good
and arcane in general.
Why is peoples opinions on the show sad to you? :d It ain't that deep. It's a good and entertaining story and visually appealing to many people, lol fans and non lol fans. Not everyone has read all of leagues lore and not everyone get but hurt cuz they didn't just entirely copy-paste leagues old lore in to arcane.
Because it was good now go cope in silence
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despite what the co-creator said in the interview (i.e. that Warwick will eventually obtain his wolf form and his lore is still canon) I still find his "character" in arcane wasted and I don’t think I will never get over it soon. I'll rewrite what I already said about warwick in arcane in a post on r/warwick because I don't really feel like writing everything from scratch:
‘ll give my two cents on Warwick: the creators simply never intended to use Warwick as a character. For them, he was just supposed to be a plot device useful to make them close the season in nine episodes without making the reunion of Vi and Jinx as sisters seem unforced, and then subsequently create a scene of danger in which to sacrifice Jinx. Warwick is not a character, and sadly he wasn't built in Arcane to be one.
Simply put, on the characterization side he has no character: he has no feelings, no flaws, no merits, he never makes a choice and never becomes the driving force of the story. He is not a character; he is a plot device. Functional? Certainly for the relationship between Jinx and Vi, but he has effectively killed Warwick as a character in Arcane.
Honestly, I think he hasn't been totally ruined as a character, especially after the co-creator's statements (I mean, they could have been said for show and they're not actually true, but until proven otherwise they're canon) that confirmed that his LoL lore remains canon. And in reality, it could also be a decent basis for further exploring it in the future, all this Galiowick stuff and what happens next. But this remains: a potentially good basis but on which they haven't built anything.
Then I repeat, the fact that they didn't instantly destroy his lore on the site, etc., confirms that his lore for now still remains canon, so more or less the damage has been "contained." But the disappointment remains, and it doesn't matter if in the future (as I HOPE they will) they will give an actual deepening of Warwick in future products related to Arcane; the damage to the character in Arcane will remain. Sure, I would feel relieved, but the disappointment of Warwick in Arcane will remain every time I happen to rewatch the series. And it hurts.
anyway nice video you really expressed the problem and the issue well.
Every ww fan expected to get a fully Werewolf transformation after Isha sacrifice. That way WW would win a lot of lore from his human side before singed and pre Full WW as we all know.
But... No... The plot uses him for connect the sisters and give singed a reason to revive Oriana ( i dont think that, this in fact, its a bad idea) and nothing more. Doing the Robot ww only scrap any posible way to arcane Vander to be the real WW since even if he survive the final explosion he losed the chems and singed its no longer interested in him since Oriana is saved so no point in give them again....
Also, i expected for the second season WW killing baron chems as his primary role in the lore is that and he didnt. Only couple of guards in the prision and a few noxus soldiers SAAAD.
The quality of writing fell off a cliff for season 2. Why they thought getting a new writing team was a good idea I'll never know
Rushed is the Keyword with season 2. They just couldnt keep it going for a 3rd season or more but chose to cut it short and compress it.
Everyone has a right to there opinions but I honestly couldn’t agree less with some of these statements and comments. Yes I’m biased towards liking arcane cause that’s how I first got into lol but I don’t think they made Warwick bad in the show and I like every character and the story telling in both season, yeah they could’ve done stuff better but objectively there was nothing I genuinely hated… besides Marcus… and I think they did good. Also showing vander had a relationship with vi and jinx’s parents doesn’t make the bridge scene worse.
Its mostly due to we needed more seasons of arcane, when we only got 2
Humanising a monster was a mistake. League has less and less monster characters as it is.
I completely understand how the Viktor mains feel imagining if they had brought Vanderwick into the game. They really rushed season 2. Such a shame.
Honestly Warwick should have become nothing but a broken monster that makes us see that only the monster is left and echoes of the man , instead we got a massive disappointment
Loved arcane but I do appreciate a lot when people expose the flaws and the mistakes they did. Nice video, I will wait for the jayce video
its made more human to keep it more emotional and id argue that his arcane lore is better than some braindead killer thats my opinion
YES! Finally someone agrees. These LoL superfans are triggered that everything isn't absolutely exactly the way it is in LoL. And they're hypocritical for that take too because you don't see anyone saying Vi's Arcane design should be like her design in LoL. Also every character is a "plot device" so that itself isn't a valid criticism of Warwick.
"he is not Warwick from the lore yet, he will continue to transform in the future!!!"
dawg like? when??? in an Ixtal/Freljord series?? c'mon man
Forget about seeing again vander or ww. No point since there is no chance we get another series in Zaun.
@Regrubenxito that's exactly what I'm saying, If there was a project we could have seen him in full form it was this one
@@drydesert052 totally agred
But they killed him 💀
@@bluesoda840 nah its imposible just 1 handgrenade could kill him
Btw, Warwick survived. You can see something leaving the explosion jinx made and considering how insanely durable he is, it’s probably Warwick leaving.
Won’t lie. What they did with Warwick has to be one of my biggest disappointments from any show I’ve ever watched. I was so hyped and trusted them after season one to do it perfectly and so good. I haven’t felt so let down by a show since I don’t even know. This entire season was disappointing. But this in particular was made me sad.
I think Warwick should have had an arc instead of being a plot device for Vi and Jinx reunion and see more of him have a full character arc.
Ive never been more disappointed in a show more than this.
Visually arcane wick is better. Hope they rework the model in game
Warwick, Viktor, and Jayce are characters from the great arcane season 1 please don't confuse them with Warren, Vincent, and Jake from this new spinoff show
I agree wholeheartedly with the video and i kinda wish Vander as a character had his story end in season 1, instead of trying to squeeze him this season as a simple plot device.
However, I'm not sure if many people noticed, but Warwick actually starts going crazy and vomiting the lava after Singed injects him. They show a shot of him standing after that goes down, hinting that he did indeed manage to inject the serum when the other characters left the tent.
This was on the back of my mind but I couldnt put into words what I disliked about it. You helped me a lot, thanks
What made even less sense is that he seems to imply that he intentionally blocked out Vander's old memories, yet also says he made the beast because he wanted to restore his daughter, body and memories intact... SO WHY WOULD YOU INTENTIONALLY GET RID OF THE ENEMIES?!
Wow... I genuinely could not believe this was actually their attempt at warwick... Utterly depressing... I had hoped it was just another random monster 💀
xddddddddddddddddd how dumb are you?
finally someone talked about this
so i had this thought, that warwick should have been zaun's atom bomb.
I've made this comment in numerous Arcane Warwick videos. I truly feel that I didn't mind Vander's story even rushed until the automaton redesign. I was under the impression that we were seeing his incomplete transformation, and I thought Isha blowing herself up at that episode would have been the "death catalyst" to finalise his transformation instead of being tossed aside, but alas, I was also disappointed with the outcome.
yeah, completely agree. Why not have us see warwick cause chaos, until the prison scene where jinx fights him and manages so escape by a hair, maybe wounded, but then he tries to attack viktor camp and he instead regains parts of his memories when facing viktor? Only then jinx (and us the viewers) understand he is indeed vander and he chooses to only go against evil guys, until he goes for ambessa and Singed forces him to stop. That would have been a much better story than the rehab we got.
I just wish his face regenerated as a wolf after Isha blew them up
Thats a cool odea
Vanwick makes no sense and shouldn't have ever been included in season 2. Vander's arc was complete. Bringing him back for this goofy werewolf story that goes nowhere is almost single-handedly what ruined season 2. Without it, there would've been 2.5 whole episodes that could've been devoted to the Zaun revolution, dictator Caitlyn, and Jinx/Vi conflict arcs that the whole first act was building towards, which just gets dropped entirely upon Vanwick's introduction and are never really picked back up.
Not only did it completely derail the season, but it also retroactively hurt Silco's character. It makes no sense at all that Silco would be going after Vi and Powder, and treating them essentially like strangers in season 1, if he was close friends with their mother and was literally in part responsible for naming them. Season 2's flashback paints Silco like almost an uncle to Vi, which does not mesh at all with their interactions in season 1.
Singed has much more layers and depth as a character in Arcane than in LoL
Exactly 👏
And that is very cool for Arcane, but unfortunately there is 0 way to properly fit that onto the Singed that is in the game.
No
Overall, the main issue was rushing. Warwick’s character barely got any time to be explored, and since his relationship to the main characters (jinx and Vi) was being their father, that’s what the writers focused on. As a massive Warwick fan I’m ok with his story given the time they had to work on, and I feel a though there were some instances where they did him justice, but the redesign is what I find to be most disappointing. No snout and no tail? Criminal.
It was obvious they were going to do something like this from the start. If you’re not a popular League character, then your lore is disposable and irrelevant. Hell even if you ARE popular or basically the mascot (Teemo), they will quite literally overwrite the original lore. Teemo went from being a war vet to just a clumsy boy scout. Unforgivable.
i always had the fantasy of watching Warwick fight Blitzcrank, Singed's mutant vs Viktor's golem. Like what if viktor made blitzcrank as a protector of his comune, and singed used Ww to invade it
i get why they went with the human face because it's easier to convey emotions through microexpressions on a human face than on an animal (not impossible, but probably wouldn't work)
i wanted him to just die and not be robotified bc not only does my mans keep getting punished, but also isha's sacrifice ultimately meant nothing 💀 then just show singed reworking him so he has his current league design or smth idk
6:22 nah, you're wrong about this. She didn't ask them to help take care of her child, she asked them to figure out the independence of Zaun and not to fail. But even if that was the case, it wouldn't take away from the bridge scene, it actually makes it more impactful.
Nah, you're wrong about this. That actually makes it less impactful. When you discuss media you're supposed to contribute to the discussion.
@JasonGodwin69 It literally would make Vander feel more guilty than he already did. But that wasn't what she asked anyway, so why are we talking about it?
As someone who was used to main Warwick in League and was incredibly excited for his introduction in the show, I was really let down by it.
I pretty much fully agree. biggest issue for me it just boils down that they took the character that is in their original version supposed to be defined by their agency and gave him as little agency as possible. I don't particularly care much for the redesign but they really messed up in regards to what the character really embodies. The now retired lore/league warwick is a character defined by his struggle for agency, he does not want to give up to his beast side and even with no clear memories holds onto his principles and wishes to stay as good of a man as possible, struggling to keep his urge for blood at bay and only killing the deserving. His whole hook as a character is a man turned monster who despite almost being hopelessly lost in desire for blood still tries to hold back. On the opposite angle arcane still keeps the blood taking away his mind, but also lets him have his mind as vander for a while. But it just results in him being a bit of a hopeless creature that jinx and vi need to take to viktor, then he does get to save jinx that one time but then he dies, loses control again, gets turned into a robot that just obeys viktor and is there to make vi hesitate at the end. The real core of the issue for me is that I feel like there should have been some scene at the end where warwick breaks out of the control of viktor and does fight some of the noxians or similar, to show underneath he might not be vander but he is struggling to be a good. As it stands he kind of just gets to go out as a lazy ass miniboss which stings for anyone that loved what he previously stood for.
No hate but I think you completely overlooked the whole point of warwick. In short terms, he is a prime example of giving up humanity to gain ultimate power, much like Viktor
the wrath of plot device
In the original original lore Warwick was kind of Singed 2.0 where he got cursed by Soraka into becoming a werewolf in order to embody his cruel nature. The last decades we see both in cinema and gaming world that the evil characters are being made like that cause society this or society that. An other example of my point is Viktor. Viktor's original lore was the mad scientist who wanted to get rid of his mortality and make himself perfect by his will. In arcane he was a cripple who wanted to make the world better with tech but then smth happened and Jayce led him to become that hexbionic and stuff. What happened to evil being just evil? Why it needs to be so complicated and mnonsencical?
I want villains to exists not just have them be broken ppl that why i like characters like old Singed because that many was evil just because he wanted to just like Jhin but now all the ppl that dont want evil to just be evil writes stories and it only works 10% of the time
honestly I was secretly hoping for a twist like Vanwick is the prototype of Warwick, after the events of the story Singed goes on to create Warwick with the knowledge he gained from Vander or something...
I like to think warwick escaped the blast and in the end is left with a damaged body in zaun and then is given help from some chem barons in hiding giving him His league form
@@miller6498 Or he fully tranforms to in game warwick design after the explosion
While I agree with most things in this video 6:23 is incorrect. It isn’t a retcon. Vander knew Jinx’s & Vi mother & father given the fact he pointed to their corpses when they arrive at the bridge.
It was confirmed by one of the writers of Arcane in a interview that they changed Warwick's design and lore simply because they didn't like the orignal Warwick, which gotta be one of the lamest reasons I've ever heard :/
Singed did it to get ambessas attention bc she can get him all kinds of stuffs that helps his research to bring back his daughter. He succeded in the end.
And also bc warwick/vander had insane healing abilities in his blood. Everything singed did is connected to saving his daughter. Warwick was just another step to his success.
And arcane is canon so what we are seeing in the show that is now the characters new backstory. And i personally thing warwick looked amazing with this more human like appearanve and i loved everything about it. I love this story better then the og ww backstory. But this is my personal opinion again. Let me know what u guys thing.
Viktor is beyond broken and dead in a ditch
Warwick was producing lava due to sighn's injection.
Arcane season 2 was changed bc the writter refused to read the lore on the champs and the area, they activily ruined sooooooo many champs and riot pushing arcane victor as base was the final nail in the coffin, Riot basicly told its playerbase that we are no longer the target audience
yes, they took a hot shit on people that made who they are... sad really, but not unexpected, they are corporation afterall
So you want them to make everything in the show EXACTLY like the game with no deviations at all? Where is your complaint about Vi's design then
this is very eye opening as someone who doesnt have knowledge of league lore
The way singed made him i can only assume was the thought of him being a failed experiment that could be used as a weapon if things were to go to shit, which they kinda did when he was arrested.
They cant fix this like they fixed smolders face.
They also could have made him look a bit more like wolf. I wasn't even sure if it was supposed to be Warwick or if they are going to add real Warwick later.
The writers did vander dirty
What did we expect? Riot never cared about the lore unless for profit
Original writer of Warwick left Riot over a year ago. Arcane is just another hasty retcon to overall lore, while at least 2 champions in game still refer to summoners from 2009 lore
We shouldn't get too attached, because riot WILL retcon it again ad infinum
2:20 i see it as a double value coin. both researching to revive her daugher and developing a weapon to use as a coin to get access to noxus resources to advance his experiments to solve death. Also i believe that this singed will still have a purpose to either solve death in a more general way or just experiment and upgrade humanity more similarly to lol singed
I loved designs. I just wish Arcane writers had taken their time...
I found it annoying how they are trying to turn non-human characters more human, Kindred is a prime example with her skins. It kills their own identity and takes away uniqueness
I'm sad his design didn't have as many wolf features but the design was still cool
People forget that arcane made league of legends lore very PG for the purpose to sell their skins the real league of legends lore is extremely dark which I personally love
Poor poor Vander. I hope he didn’t have to see what he became 🫡
the moment i saw his design i knew things would go to shit honestly
everything felt rushed on arcane2
I was ready for so damn much. From him becoming another common enemy to both Zhaun and Piltover to him staying somewhat sentient and becoming a horror that hunts down criminals, i was ready for so f*cking much. Not him being thrown away like a boring sidecharacter...
where is the purple dragon thing Singed was holding into that tube?
If the series had a 3rd season, they'd probably have flashed out more of warwick's character as well as others like Ekko or Ambessa. I think alot was cut so that they could fit the 9 episodes. Thats just my take
Arcane is stuck being a show that was meant to establish the world the champions live in and a story that is supposed to have an ending. Characters and characteristics were forced into it because they were required even if they do not make a lot of sense given the story that is being told.
Definitely gonna be calling him Vanwick from now on
The reason singe made warwick a warewolf monster was to use him as a bargaining chip with whoever would be in power after silco. We have seen singe already do this with shimmer. He made shimmer as an experiment to save his daughter but needed resources to do it. For that, he made a deal with silco to also make shimmer a drug weapon to gain control of the lanes.
Singe then does the same after silco has died, he needs a new backer to continue his experiments so he creayed warwick as a perfect weapon to sell to whoever could give him what he wanted, that ended up being ambessa. Singe gets his backing from her, he also promises to give her the beast warwick. Then he discovers what Victor has made and thinks he can combine warwick's shimmer to victor to finally find a way to beat death, which he succeeded in
Singe had everything planned out and you can see it all in the show if you pay attention to him
Good video!
The more I learn about Warwick the more upset I get about what we got in Arcane
Good video, except silco and vander were only brothers in arms not actual brothers o7 but I definitely agree on points towards Warwick, such wasted potential, he felt like a prop to bring Vi and Jinx together instead of champion we know from league xd
Acrane Warwick looks like trundle
Warwick is the only thing I dislike in Arcane tbh, especially his design. They could also have shown his humanity while having a wolf face tbh
It's been 2 weeks now. Where is that jayce video?
Look, i think you got the wrong idea. I think we are just seeing the middle of the story of Warwick - the point of him going from Vander to Warwick. Why? Well understanding literature and quite literally watching the show. Singed created Warwick as an attempt to see the absolute peak of shimmer, and to see if that will help bring back his daughter - AND as a way in with Noxus. The peak with shimmer was to see how far it can go with regenerating the body, and to see what else was needed to keep it going (hence the wolf stuff like the double heart of the murkwolf needed to pump the blood in the body of vander). Vander is quite literally Frankenstien's Monster and Hyde mashed together.
Vander should have died, but since he was barely hanging on - he was basically put on life support to see how far a shimmer infused body could go. From murkwolfs to other beasts and creatures all placed inside of vander as the sole brain - basically being Frankenstien's Monster. If warwick's backstory is still relevant, Vander was still alive and conscious during most of the insane parts. We saw in season 1 that singed didnt care if the person was conscious or had any pain killers - with jinx and rio and others. Here we can infer that Vander was probably conscious and driven insane, becoming more and more beast like. And then the shimmer injectors and such, forcing out his his primal and animalistic urges - he essentially becomes Hyde.
Singed got out of this an understanding of what shimmer does to the body, and the fact that beasts probably wouldnt fully help bring back his daughter. But the regenerative source of the blood, that quite literally kept bringing vander back from the dead. Vi's punch literally shattered WW's skull. We can infer that singed has probably done the same. Things that would kill a normal body was nothing for WW. But how many of Vander's memories would be restored from this? Singed - and lesser extent - anyone that has damaged WW enough - has caused him to lose memories of his previous life. Singed would have learned that he is creating something he will eventually not be able to control - but a perfect weapon for someone that needs power. An unkillable beast on a battlefield. Hes already gained everything he could out of WW, now he just needs more funding to help his research into saving his daughter. Well Noxus is there. Well, why not get captured and show what he has and can give to them? Hence releasing WW.
Now - Singed has gained "apex shimmer" in his own words, and in essence - a blood that can almost regenerate anything. But now he needs to learn to control the byproduct of the beast and insanity within it. (like what happens when everyone takes it). Well thats where Viktor comes in. He didnt know what Viktor was working on or anything. He only learned about it basically after meeting Viktor, but he knew then he could use it. But thats getting off track.
As it is - Is WW dead? No. The fucker can survive an arcane bomb to the face with isha, and come out basically unscratched. watch the episode where ww is brought to heal viktor. WW woke up again after Viktor and Jayce decided to go MIA for the foreseen future. So what happens to WW? Well - hes probably lost a fair bit of his vander memories from when Viktor dying and then taking control. But it is doubtful Viktor burned them all. There are probably fragments remaining, but he probably has become The Monster and Hyde as one. The Monster in Frankenstein doesnt recall his previous life, well now, Warwick only has fragments. He is nothing but Hyde now. What does this mean? well Warwick is now the Warwick we know in game. More than likely, that Bomb that jinx detonated in his face, probably brought about the true monster. Of course he survived it. And whats at the bottom of the tower? Well zaun of course. Setting up him becoming a punisher like character. They said that the Characters are going to be set up to be their league counterparts, close their story out, or to fully rewrite them. WW's new background was made at the same time as the story for Arcane was written.
Essentially, Arcane season 2 set up the Warwick we do know.
Man i wish singed stayed a mad scientist, just doing whatever to see progress. Making him into mr. Freeze ah character was a mistake
the show is a master piece but it doesn't mean its perfect and this video right here shows why. I love warwick's design and lore in the league and is pretty sad how they retconned his story, honestly the start wasnt that bad but how they "ended" his story is. I hope they end up making a movie for arcane's aftermath story (copium)
I kept thinking that vander would for a second be back and then simged seeing this wouldnhave given him a serumto remove his humanity and further mutate him to an actual werewolf like he looks in the game ,instead he became a drone that doesn't speak or express himself