LOKI: How Iron Man Knew About Kang in The MCU - Marvel Explained
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The special hidden Iron Man Easter Eggs inside He Who Remains Kang's Study in the Citadel at the End of Time. Kang has one of Iron Man's Armor Suits and how Kang used Iron Man's Time Travel Platform technology to create his own advanced 31st Century futuristic versions to wage the Multiverse War against the other Kang The Conqueror Variants.
Loki Season 2 Episodes will come between Doctor Strange 2 and Ant-Man 3. And a lot of the Deleted Scenes from Loki Season 1 will be covered during Season 2. What Kang is Doing in the Marvel Movies, Why Kang Created the TVA and Multiverse War Explained. Kang The Conqueror Marvel Easter Eggs and changes.
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Here's my new video how Iron Man Knew about Kang in the MCU this whole time and predicted the Multiverse War! Post all your theories in the comments! Here's my new Dardevil Marvel Phase 4 Announcement video too! ua-cam.com/video/xpBpbpx4dPE/v-deo.html
Noice
Epic.
Cool
Would've been lit to see Iron Man meet Kang in the MCU
Thanks!
Charlie is known as: "He who explains"
Ha, nice. Thanks. I'll take it.
Bro you’re a genius
Your comment needs 100K
@@guess1980 *you’re
@@snapambush959 I gotcha
“He who remains” allowed the Avengers to time travel bc it would eventually lead our MCU Loki to him.
its a loop. It works both ways
"He who remains" allowed it because its already happened. Remember, he is a guy who discovered verses and time travel in the 31st century. Meaning, everything is History to him already. The Avengers defeated Thanos bcos they time traveled and Dr. Stranged guided that possibility to happened in the sacred timeline. Hence, he cannot change it anymore bcos its History. If "He who Remains" change it, it will bcome a nexus event.
@@DBFanPol well i mean he ended up admitting that he knew everything that would happen up to a point that they then passed. Can't be too loopy other than he would come back to it after dying way in the future and have no true memory of that.
Wrong again Flanders. He just looks at who's messing with time. Then it's his turn the create chaos
@@fidelsolis6070 As
Tony guessed correctly… he thought he would create multiple timelines if they time travelled and they inevitably did create multiple timelines by freeing Loki, creating his variant that ended up helping Silvie get to the citadel and killing the version of Kang that would unleash the war of the timelines. Tony stark is a genius 🤯
Yeah. Brainy is the new sexy.
Either that... or because they traveled through time and created Loki the variant. The time keepers were created after the Snap version of Dr Strange found out about the Loki variant and Loki's doings if Dr. didnt react. So as a result Strange attempted to reset the timeline and the TVA and he who remains were created?
It's pretty simple actually. If he can do it then someone will eventually do it since the possibility exists so what's the point of not using time travel for his world since he'll need time travel eventually when someone else does it. Dr Strange should have seen it when he's doing that chakra thing but why did he allow it to happen and it's their job to keep the timeline clean? Coz they'll need it eventually. They'll just cancel each other out on and on and on to infinity. Did IronMan know this dude? Nope but he knows someone will eventually crack the code and whoever that is will pretty much act like god changing whatever he wants and here's a kicker, Iron Man didn't care coz it wouldn't affect his timeline coz it's gonna be the 1st and whatever they experience in that timeline is untainted so to speak and the one in danger is the future and it wouldn't affect them not really if it never happened in their lifetime. They could defeat Thanos themselves but why bother since Avengers did it already and did it clean and they had to exist. Time Travel is trippy so talking about it is insane.
@@m0n4rch911 dude don’t say „it’s pretty simple“ and then write a whole novel
@@generaliroh2276 in simplier terms, kangs not powerful hes just a cheating time traveling historian who just happens to be where is he today because he spent most of his time reading about the 11,000+ plus years of humanity as a kid in a library.
Tony: *you mess with time it tends to mess back*
Sylvie: sounds fun
All Loki did for me was make me want to go back and watch the whole MCU in chronological order for the 10th time.
💯😂😂
How can you guys sit through the movies before guardians again? Especially Iron Man 3
@@SRR-rh7id it’s no different for me reading the comics back to back when I was a child. Some ppl like me are just die hard fans and love the lore of the marvel universe I guess lol
@@Diggi1027 no, don't get me wrong, the story in itself is interesting, it's just that the movies were just trash. Guardians and everything after that ( watching in chronological order) is just amazing. The only good movies in phase one are iron man and avengers.
@@SRR-rh7id facts. those phase 1 movies were incredibly boring
I find it incredible that a single character, who only had like, 30-35 minutes on screen just entirely changed the way we think and talk about the future of the MCU.
Honestly this character may be one of my favorites in the MCU
Dark Vadar only had 30 min screentime in the old starwars movies. So that's actually a lot
@@davecirlclux Dark Vader
Wtf
@@dimension-121 bright privilege Vader 👀😂
It's also a testament to how insanely well the MCU has been built up till now because the multiple stories aren't crumbling after all these movies and shows, but solidifying and making even more sense. It's honestly pretty insane how well they've planned things out.
@@davecirlclux darth* but his suit is dark.
Thor knew too at the of Age of Ultron when he said in regards to the infinity stones, someone’s playing intricate games and that it’s no coincidence that stones are appearing all of sudden
Its probably what Ultron saw too, maybe he wanted to eliminate all life on earth not because it would allow "peace" in earth
But because It would have allowed peace across the multiverse
That stuck with me too
I doubt it. Ill put it this way. Everything from the beginning of time to when He who remains is created is exactly the same as when it first happened. He only preserves timelines that follow the one that created himself (the original timeline). And the avengers fighting thanos and eventually time travelling happen in the original timeline that creates he who remains. That's also why their time travel is allowed to happen, because it happened in he who remains past. But the Loki that uses the Tesseract is pruned because in the original timeline Loki ends up in asguardian prison. So the infinity stones all appearing one of after another happened without Kang putting them there.
It's more likely that Thor's words were to hint that someone was trying to collect all the stones. And we now know that was Thanos.
He obviously was referring to Thanos.
@@MuttonErase None of that matters. Technically the multiverse always existed but the major things that happened couldn't be any different. Think about it, Classic Loki fooled Thanos into thinking he was dead and he lived isolated on a planet for years. So this variant hasn't done anything wrong yet he's already made a big change. Him leaving the planet alters the rest of the story enough to brand him a variant. Alligator Loki was totally fine until he ate the wrong neighbor's pet. But before that, he's allowed to exist. Loki gets pruned after stealing the tesseract because He Who Remains paved that road for him to meet him and lead to his death.
Robert Downey jr. was literally born for the iron man role. I miss him
It's the original war machine recommended him for the role
Me too 😔
@@VashtheStampede007 I remember that guy
He’ll be back.
I REALLY freaking like this dude as Kang. Excited to see his different incarnations.
Maybe there’ll be an alligator version
Yeah I really like his acting as Kang. Sooo good!
Keeping my eyes peeled for Rama-Tut in the Eternals
Yeah, it was top notch acting.
@@lordtachanka5512 I´m praying for a kang- aroo
everything basically connects with Stark, love how he is still affecting future phases
Marvel will always connect future big plot twists to characters and movies that came before. This is just another example of that.
Even dead I'm the hero
even spiderman is ironboy jr now 😂😂😂
Tony is the ultimate evil. Dr. Strange tried to save us, 1 in 14 million chance to rid us of Stark and Thanks. Still, Tony can not be stopped.
@@PunxTV123 words cannot describe how much I loath when someone says " ironboy jr " he is spiderman . Just because Marvel has had iron man influence doesn't mean he is not his own character anymore
One more comic parallel is that in a couple comic storylines and in the avengers TV show (Avengers Assemble) Kang's technology is implied to be based on highly refined Stark industries tech
Yes, this is true I remember reading that indeed, while I cant remember which set exactly.
Definitely. Like Howard once said to Tony (in video, to further emphasize the point), "I am limited by the technology of my time..". It will be fascinating to see (what I am assuming) is as the years go on, we'll see the only limit of Tony was the technology of his time.
@@samrobertmuik3495 he was limited in a way. But it wasn’t technology but rather losing the family that he now had. Like the only thing stopping him from creating a time machine and changing everything was he didnt wanna lose Pepper and his daughter. But when he actually tried he did find the algorithm for the reverse möbius strip.
True, I remember in EMH when Kang nearly trapped the Avengers in a distant future (Well at least before they changed it themselves) and Iron-Man reversed engineered his throne by remotely connecting to a Stark Port practically embedded within the code and subsequently hacked it, bringing them back to the present in Avengers Mansion
There was a comic story where a version of Kang (under a pseudonym) took over Stark Industries
This actually answers more why Dr Strange allowed Thanos to win at the end of Infinity Wars. He saw over 14 million futures and not one of them did he see Quill punching Thanos? He could have stopped that. He could have opened his portal around Thanos' arm and closed it, cutting the arm off. Or any number of other things. But this explains that maybe Dr Strange saw the consequences of that, leading to an invasion of Kangs or something, and knew that Stark had to create that time device for Nathaniel Richards. That's something that has been bothering me since I first saw Infinity Wars. Thank you for putting that to rest in my head.
the other theory I've read was that Dr Strange saw over 14 million futures and realised anything else he tried (stopping Quill from punching Thanos for eg) would result in the TVA stepping in and pruning the timeline, because Kang needed Thanos to go off with the snap so that Stark would invent stable timetravel down the road, so that Kang would have access to it in the future thus closing the loop.
@@nichidoushiro holy sh*t you're right!
your reading way too much into it
It makes more sense that the sacred timeline isn't the 'best' or 'proper' timeline but it's just the timeline where He Who Remains wins.
no shit dude
True, and I feel like he's the best Kang version so he's not so bad himself.
I think its the timeline where Professor Kang invents the temp pad. Kang discovered that there were multiverses with variants who would eventually end up fighting with one another. To stop this, he invents the temp pad and goes back in time to prune the other variants at their nexus events.
What's more interesting is that HWR justifies his complete power by saying his variants are guaranteed to be worse . . . And he has a point
But then, there would be just as many variants who would be better than he was . . .
@@TomboTime not exactly, certain events happen and since he’s seen those events he knows he’s the best, and the ONLY one that conquers Alioth and creates the TVA
I love how the Avengers, with Scott, basically invent “immortality” when Scott is made young (and old, but ignore that), with all his memories, and then never mention it again!
I thought about that too!
It's crazy no one mentions this.
Yeah!
I hate that we think about these things more than the writers lol
If they do that the TVA will just prune them, it's somehow a time travel
Proof that there is a multiverse: old classic Loki. He survived, which is a difference from the main timeline, but remained hidden for centuries. So his timeline kept in sync with the main timeline. Only when he tried to meet Thor by leaving his exile did it create a Nexus event. Up to this point, his survival didn't matter. So yes, the sacred timeline is a rope made of many different timelines that follow the same general direction, and Kang is perfectly synced with all the different version of himself in this closed multiverse.
Finally!! Someone that gets it! Apparently it's Loki fate to die at Thano's hand and yet Classic Loki fooled him and wasn't deemed a variant until he left his isolation. Alligator Loki was fine until he ate the wrong neighbor's pet. Oh wow, just realized that he was supposed to eat a neighbor's pet but ate the wrong one. I wonder if that was meant to be fleshed out further or not? I kind of doubt it gets fleshed out but I so hope to see Alligator Loki in season 2.
Makes sense!👍👍 A/c to u What exactly is the difference between alternate reality & alternate timeline?? & What is reality , timeline , universe, multiverse?? The sacred timeline(multiverse loop), is it just a bunch of ropes of different realities/timelines/universes??
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 So u mean each strand of rope in the sacred timeline contains a different version of loki - like 1 loki who dies at the hands of thanos in one rope/universe/timeline/reality , classic loki in another rope, alligator loki in another rope and so on. They(different loki's) become variants as soon as they diverge from their supposed respective paths/rope/sacred timeline & end up at TVA. Would like to know your thoughts on difference between Reality, timelines, universe & multiverse !
@@abhishekrawat6185 That's complicated so it's going to be a LONG reply.
In Marvel, it seems universes, timelines and realities are the same for now, but maybe it wasn't always the case. See what the Watcher says at the beginning of each What If... episode:
"Time. Space. Reality. It's more than a linear path. It's a prism of endless possibility, where a single choice can branch out into infinite realities, creating alternate worlds from the ones you know."
The only different concept is dimension, like the Dark Dimension, the Quantum Realm, etc. Even if time flows differently in those dimensions, they are still linked to 1 and only 1 single universe/reality/timeline.
Now, my interpretation from what I can see in the MCU is that after Endgame, timetravel and cross-reality travel are the same thing. When the Avengers travelled back in time, they created multiple different split timelines (they didn't all go to the same place). Then they went back to their own time/reality. After that, Cap still managed to go into the same newly created timelines in order to put the stones back in place, but this only prevented the timelines from branching out from the "sacred timeline", it still created different realities. At this point, it wasn't really timetravel anymore.
If they pushed their technology further, they would have been able to jump from one reality to another at will, but for now they could only travel through a linear path that linked them to a specific time in a specific reality that they created themselves.
The terminology seems to only imply how the reality was created. I understand that at first, there were multiple universes, all parallel to each other, all born independently from each other like different trees born from the same soil. But still, even without time travel, those universes can still branch out because people can make a certain number of choices, and also some things are just random, so those would be alternate realities, different branches from the same tree (so reality is a branch from a universe, like an alternate set of events from a main universe, a "What If", but there are still other unrelated universes).
We could say that the Spider-man movies are 3 parallel universes, and each of those universes could have alternate realities, like what if Tobey kept the black suit, what if Tom didn't trust Mysterio, what if Andrew caught Gwen, etc.
I use the words tree and branches to make an analogy and explain their origins, but imagine that trees would span more trees instead just so you understand that branches and trees have the same importance and potential. So you could also argue that there was always a single tree that branched fast from the beginning, it could work...
At some point, the multiple Kangs discovered the multiverse. Now is it that each tree had 1 Kang or that only 1 tree had multiple Kangs it's not clear, but I assume a mix of both. So those Kangs fought and He Who Remains pruned all the trees, keeping only his universe. Then he also started to trim the branches that went in a "dangerous" direction, keeping mainly his reality and some others.
At this point after the Multiverse War, reality and universe became synonymous.
To prevent further branching, timetravel had to be included since the splits and the branching could occur at anytime in the past or future (before that, when jumping from one "tree" to another, you would travel at the same "height" or time period. All the Kangs existed in the 31st century and they didn't time travel). Remember that the TVA could measure how far the branching would go and didn't care if it stayed withing the "red" parameters.
So now timeline is ALSO synonymous with reality and universe. And even if there was always a Multiverse, this one is now unrestrained, like it used to be. Different Kangs will be born.
It's only my interpretation. Of course it doesn't make perfect sense and I can't give all my sources, it's just years of playing, reading and watching Marvel media that made me come up with that conclusion. I'm also curious about other explainations.
@@abhishekrawat6185 Clearly each universe is unique(Alligator Loki) and yet still hit the same "bullet" points. In other words, the multiverse existed before Loki but there's only one script that they all follow unless you stray from that script and become a variant that gets pruned. Now that Sylvie killed He Who Remains, the timeline has branched out and now each universe has its own script where they aren't limited to the overarching script. By the way, I love your message, you enscapsulated the idea perfectly.
I think it’s a lot simpler than “Kang let the Avengers time travel so that he could have that tech in the future.” He knew that Loki and Sylvie would eventually find their way to him because he willed it into existence. Without the time heist, that Loki would’ve never existed, the two would’ve never met, and Kang couldn’t have passed on the torch of He Who Remains onward. He said he was tired and left it up to them to either kill him or take over. The time heist was allowed to happen for that precise purpose, as well as being able to stop Thanos
Yeah I believe this is what allowing the time heist was truly all about, this theory about kang actually allowing it to happen so he can have stark tech is a bit of a reach.
Yeah, makes much more sense.
but they said that just because you change the past doesn’t mean it changes the future so what’s done is done kang could still get the technology
I think the answer is maybe multi-faceted. I agree with your theory completely, but I personally think there might be more to it. He Who Remains seemed like he was more of an antagonist/adversary towards the Kangs. He knew that only The Avengers would have a chance to defeat them. I think he was developing the sacred timeline as a weapon to defeat The Kang Dynasty.
In the first episode Renslayer said to Loki: "We're not here to talk about the Avengers. What they did was 𝙨𝙪𝙥𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 happen"
Good
The multiverse is so complex. Yet you do such a great job at breaking everything down. And simplifying all the elaborate details. Thank you very much.❤️
Glad you liked it!
Infinite apon infinite universes and multiverses and beings like galactus and celestials exist outside the multiverse
I think Tony said it in general context. "You mess with time it tends to mess back". I mean, he must've already knew that there are and always be consequences when they do the time heist. Just like when he pre-recorded his last goodbye. He already anticipated something bad will eventually happens after they bring back everyone from the snap.
Johnathan Majors was MAGNIFICIENT as that Kang
When Iron man said "Mess with time, it tends to mess back", I thought it's gonna be a lot more than just a dialogue. MCU doesn't put some random quotes in a movie. They always do those foreshadowing.
Which makes me wonder: for how long had the MCU/MCM have now been written? Until 2050? It seems the writers are decades ahead
@@jejenner123 I always wonder about this. No matter what, no matter how far apart they are, the MCU ALWAYS ties together somehow 🤯
It was reference to Thanos from 2014. They didnt expect it
@@FireJach Yeah I know. But If you see Tony, it will look like he's concerned about Time Travel and it's consequences that's gonna come in the future. Also, he made a holographic recording talking about time travel and some message to Morgan.
I think Drakovs daughter was a random quote. I'm sure of it. Blackwidow writer said she went back and watched all the movies with her in them and got the dumb ass idea to make her Taskmaster. Feige didn't have Avengers writers put in for future payoff. Facts.
This might be the coolest retro-twist yet from Feige and the MCU.
Even better than Peter Parker in Iron Man 2
In Feige we trust!
MCM
@stryfetc1 can't ever touch TDK Trilogy though, not even close
It’s pretty cool to learn that Tony discovered the Sacred Timeline, albeit referring to it as a “continuous loop” instead.
The scene where Tony meets his father, he tells his dad the best advice he's ever been given wqs from his father, his dads reaction suggests he had never heard it before and Tony's reaction suggests that he's picking up that this has all happened before 🤯
Whoa
So he tells Tony that advice, which he goes back in time to tell him. Hence the time loop. God, they’re good!
So who’s advice was it originally ?
@@iddjamal9451 my guess would be somehow both of them, and both of them being directly related makes it even more odd lol
holy shit lol
Me: "That makes no sense."
You: "Well it would, if you were smarter."
I get the reference
I would get the reference if I was smarter! 😒
I’m smarter now.
Actually smarter you are ... less sense it makes .. stupid people can be fooled easily !
@@Tetrathegod fooled isn't the same as understanding so it still wouldnt make sense to them. They would just trust the process
You know what makes med really sad?. The fact that Iron Man isn't alive anymore. I really wanted to see him go up against Kang, one futurist to another.. Would be interesting to see if Tony could crack Kang's technology.
We will see an Iron man, but not "our" Iron man, sadly.
I’m pretty sure we will eventually. The original Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-men will all share the screen and it will be the highest grossing movie of all time. By that time de-aging animation will be close to flawless.
@@short-cut9477 Oh yeah the kid in iron man 3
@@levels1937 who do you think would need all of them to beat them tho?
@@CjDon02 It’s my dream and hope that we get a version the Onslaught Saga hopefully in 10 years or so. People bash that period of comics but the build up was epic. And I actually liked Heroes Reborn too. By then there will be more people that appreciate the nostalgia of that period too I think. A lot of the hate for late 90’s comics is already beginning to fade finally.
Man I love iron man even more now. I know it’s just a theory but it just goes to show how important Tony really is
It also implies that he made all this mess since he gave Kang all this tech. Just like how he unconsciously created Ultron, he created Kang. Iron Man should be named Irony Man because he ironically and unconsciously is the true villain of all of MCU as we know it and probably also it's future with Kang and the multiversal wars.
Time is a really difficult thing to think about, let alone make theories about the way it works in the MCU. I really appreciate the way things are laid down in this video. I loved Thanos as a villain and so far it seems Kang won't fall behind as one.
The consistency across films really does enhance the story, I'm looking forward to what they'll do next.
They probably knew Kang is the next Thanos by Age of Ultron
@@drizzy_3330 yeah uh... we don't speak about that film
@@drizzy_3330 let's just say that movie is a Variant Version of Hulk 😳
@@drizzy_3330 You ain’t wrong but Edward Norton is more the reason they didn’t follow through with that story.
Ultron is ok movie.
I'm just wondering. If Iron Man never goes to avengers with the gps wrist device, does the tva deletes him?
Good luck man, if they can't handle loki , Ironman will easily smoke TVA agents
🤔
No he would get bailed straight from the court of tva
There is probably a universe, where everything else being the same, Iron Man never goes to the avengers with the gps wrist device and gets deleted. Just like there were more than 1 ways to win against Thanos, but those timelines were probably pruned so that Dr. Strange follows the only remaining plan.
@@naolicious543 iron man doesn’t know how to fight without his suit and Loki’s magic is much stronger than iron mans suit. Besides, Loki wouldn’t have done shit without sylvie.
Edit:
Loki would’ve also been pruned if möbius didn’t need him at the cause of sylvie causing disruptions to the sacred timeline. In conclusion; tony would’ve been pruned right away because he would’ve had no use and even if he for some reason wasn’t pruned, he would’ve ended as a TVA worker.
Allowing Infinity War/ Endgame to happen so that Kang can obtain the time travel in the future makes complete sense. Iron Man says "It tends to mess back" leads me to think that he had an idea that things could get out of control once they developed and did what they did but the idea that Iron Man knew specifically about Kang seems a bit far-fetched. Great video. Thanks.
Charlie said Tony did not know about Kang or He Who Remains specifically, he only guessed or predicted that there's going to be someone out there that would "touch" the multiverse in more ways than he can or will.
It’s far more likely that kang allowed the time heist to happen so that our version of loki steals the tesseract, meets silvie, and finds kang, who wants them both to take over for him. Especially considering the fact that kang claims to have discovered “multiverses stacked onto my own” and not “discovered time travel that allowed me to create multiverses”. It doesn’t even make sense that stark’s time travel tech would be the thing that allows him to TRAVEL TO DIFFERENT TIMELINES, especially considering that’s not even what stark’s tech does. This theory is half thought out imo.
@@youpeopleareinsane1285 Tony saw Kang as a footprint. He didn't know who he was but he could see his hand in things.
@@youpeopleareinsane1285 z†¢
The producers might knew about Kang and the comics and planned the next set of movies to come up. So Iron Man knew because the producers told him too lol
Tony Stark's a freakin' genius.
@sahil afnan he was sherlock
Was* 😀
@@siberboy100 true
With the sacred timeline, now we know why dr.Strange only found one way they could win😀
🤔🤨😮
Truth be told that was the only way because it lead to Loki being taken by the tva. No avengers winning no Loki being taken to start the loop again
That would be so spot on, Strange realized the importance of keeping Tony alive for what he was meant to achieve
And why he didn’t say how cause then he’d cause a nexus event
It was Kang that paved the way
Honestly, I think people put way too much thought into that line. I think when Tony says "when you mess with time,it tends to mess back" he understands the current situation. He sees Thanos already and being a pretty smart guy can come to the conclusion that this is a Thanos from the future.
He Who Remains may consider the Avergers' defeat of Thanos as necessary, or "meant to be" because Thanos snapped out his ancestors. Perhaps there is no Kang were the Snap to stand.
I think it's more likely that Kang is a descendant of Tony, or just enamored by a predecessor's work. There would be no need for the TVA since the avengers only defeated Thanos in one timeline which by your logic means that Kang never lived in any timeline, but ours. It makes no sense.
@@Youngnrrwhtjwtjetk so comic book wise kang the conquerer is Nathaniel Richards..... if ur a comic book fan the name Richards shud mean something to u... I.e Reed Richards (Mr fantastic of the fantastic 4). Nathaniel Richards is infact the same name as reed's father (who also happened to be time traveller)
kang the conqueror is indeed the descendent of Reed Richards... and maybe doctor doom as well
@@Youngnrrwhtjwtjetk your theory is even dumber wtf. What connection does defeating Thanos have with the creation of the TVA? You’re just saying shit at this point.
"There is no version of this where you come on top!"
- Iron man to Loki in Avengers 1.
This is very true, Loki is turned into an ass clown in his own show
@@InconsistentContent he's pointing out that that line is foreshadowing the multiverse, " There is no version of this .... " because Loki's are destined to lose so others could complete their heroic arc, even in different parallel universes.
@@underscorerm1678 there, however was a version where he beats the avengers, ending up in TWA court and erased
@@evgenykovalev71 which is why the TVA stepped in and pruned that variant.
Bro seriously you are the best, period
Thanks man, I appreciate that!
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Tony: "In layman's terms - you're not coming home."
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Damn.
The best thing they could do would be a reference to the avengers: emh episode "The Man Who Stole Tomorrow" where iron man is fighting Kang and tells him "your tech is based on really old tech. MY TECH"
That line has way more meaning now
Hey jubu
Bro this is probably one of the BEST MCU theory videos I’ve ever seen. It makes so much sense this has to be connected. Too many points throughout Loki that relate so well with this theory. Of course tony wouldn’t have had time to explain all he knew since he was focused on bringing everyone back. This video deserves millions of views! Keep it coming man
Funny thing is that if all of this is true and He Who Remains depended on Tony's time traveling tech to become "He Who Remains" this isn't a blame it on Tony scenario lol no no no he DIDN'T want to travel in time to begin with it was the other Avengers who pushed him to do it this time!
hmm
But, they'll say he ultimately decided not to sit on it after talking with Pepper so his decision but, it was the Avengers who ultimately brought this puzzle to be solved to Tony so.. lol? This could be on Thanos for creating a scenario where he had to solve time travel or man alive this could go on all day long lol!
@@crush41gb oh
Kang don’t really care about Tony time travel. He use multiverse travel to become powerful. This is the different between kang in comic and kang in MCU.
So technically tony created another villain? LOL
Once they figure out who's gonna play Iron-Lad in the MCU. Everyone gonna be like "hey that's Kang"..Lol
How sick would it be if in a future MCU movie... we get a flash back to endgame where Tony discovers time travel and is then visited by Kang who gives him the tech needed to control the quantum realm and complete his mission BUT Kang makes Tony promise that in exchange he cant tell anyone they met. Could be a cool throw back point later down the road.
Dr. Strange looking possible futures: The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, We win, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up, The TVA pops up...
And so on and so on and so on...
@@summertyme5748 He didn't know about Thanos because he wasn't using the time stone to look for ways he or the Avengers could lose that early on. In Infinity War, he *was literally looking for any possibility that they could lose against him*... why wouldn't the TVA get involved if there was even one outcome (and probably many) that Kang didn't like? This is the problem with writing time travel, the logic is paradoxical.
@@istrumguitars imo, the only reason they got the win condition out of the 14,000,605 possible outcomes, is because the tva intended it. strange was looking for possible futures, and so he saw all the ones that were possible, including the one that was going to happen no matter what
Yeah, so when he said "only one outcome" he meant because the TVA would only allow one outcome to occur.
@@summertyme5748 Alright you convinced me. Lol.
I love the way that these theories make the MCU look way smarter than it actually is.
I love your videos. You break everything down and show details I usually don’t notice. Thank you for all the wonderful content
This video is very interesting, and it heavily implies Kang using Iron-Man's tech/ideas to develop his own tech and travel the multiverse, and makes sense in the context of the MCM. From versions in the comics however we know that Kang eventually gets ahold of Doctor Doom's tech/ideas as this catalyst instead, do you think this will be retconned for the MCM? I just wanna see Doom and Reed Richards man (let's go 4 reboot)!
“YOU’RE NOT COMING HOME” holy crap that has spiderman written all over it 🤯 and seems to explain why loki ended up in an alternate TVA 😱
I dont think this comment is getting enough attention lol
Loki didn’t end up in an alternate TVA, the TVA exists outside of the timeline and multiverse, there’s only one. The TVA has become different when he came back to it because now there’s a new Kang variant in power. The timeline itself has changed. To where now He who remains never existed.
@@rohitcsrini Thank you for explaining this to Mr. Cooper here.. it’s like he watched this whole video and just got Stupider 😪
@@BruceWayne-ue5dj @RoSmash aye fuktards my question is did he go back to things as he knew them (home ) or were they different?? (Alternate). Since i have to dumb it down for a person who doesnt know a filler for stupider 😭😂
@@FISHINGMO-i9s I appreciate you for understanding fully what i meant 🙏🏽
now that would be a really big reason why the eternals cant stay silent anymore
@@michagabo8819 wait..
what??
Let me see if I know where you're going with this
Damn.. good point.
But why did they stay silent when Thanos was going to erase whole universe in Endgame? I cannot wait to see their explanations💖💖💖💖💖💖.
@@towkirshuvo97 was wondering too if they are also part of those vanished.
If Kang did indeed base his tech heavily on Stark's design, then only timelines that have the events of Engame occur can contain a Kang naturally (a Kang from another timeline can still travel to and share his tech though)
Very cool, because that would imply that our timeline is one of the Core Timelines that effects the others and enables Kang to be anything but a historian. Also goes to really show you Tony knew what he was messing with, just had no other option. On his own, Kang is not too big of a deal, but as soon as he gets his hands on time travel and multiverse travel - massive threat.
I do love how you make it all make sense!
Sooooo... your saying “he who remains” sent the rat to help Scott free in endgame. The rat is still the Hero in my book!
I thought about this the other day. I have a theory that Strange created the Rat in the future with the time stone in Infinity war because he saw that the only chance of winning was to free Scotty Lang and in one outcome a rat just happened to let him out. Instead of taking chances he made it happen. As he says, it was the only way.
@@atombabomb4268 but he couldn’t just make it or else the TVA would pop up, it was the only option, because it was meant to happen
@@adrianpena800 Or he was supposed to make it to have the sacred timeline happen and Thanos is defeated. It's a big circle when time travel gets involved. It's just a fun idea to think about. Also, if the rat was supposed to happen. Why would the TVA show up to stop it from happening if it was Strange. If strange did create the rat on top of a rat but the result is the same why would the TVA get involved if it wouldn't create a branch? Similar to the situation during Pompeii in Loki. As long as there isn't a branch the TVA doesn't show up.
Whatever made the rat get Scott out of the quantum realm is one of the stupidest things that I’ve ever seen in a movie it is pure ass lazy writing
@@romcapprotti7477 Curious to know how you would have gotten him out of that situation when Half the universe is snapped from existence. Not a lot of people walking around who know how to operate Hanks shrinking tech. Honestly the Rat thing doesn't bother me. Just shows how the odds are so heavily stacked against the Avengers. Even with the rat freeing Scotty I think Tony had so many scenarios where he failed to snap his fingers or get the stones from Thanos. Again, just fun to think about.
Makes me think of Dr Strange where Mordo says “the bill always comes due” in his reference of jacking with time.
I am still waiting for Mordo and maybe even Dormammu to come back. I think we will see both again.
mordo is such an underrated character, hes so serious i love it
I’ve seen some comic book nerds in my life, but you, Sir, YOU take the cake! This was one of the most well researched videos I’ve seen by anyone in the MCU in general. I’m truly impressed! Bravo!!
lol british accent is really cool in a way
@@smfgaming_ff9259 oi brev int eye cool
The way Tony said "The Deutch proposition" Always stuck with me, I watched endgame many times and every time I was like, there is SOMETHING here. Sure enough..... here we are
Even more strange is that Ant man and Captain America understood what he meant when clearly they can't grasp other scientific babble that's being said lol.
@@jayebuss5562 i was thinking about the same thing
@@jayebuss5562 I agree there was no way they knew what he was talking about unless they were briefed about it from Banner before visiting Tony. Or, they trusted Tony so much, that if he said anything was not possible, don't question him.
@@somelikeitposh two very plausible scenarios.
We could nitpick the whole movie really but in the end it's just an imagined state of affairs written by faulty humans.
Thanos was nothing more than a blip on the timeline for Kang.
When comparing thanos’ and kang’s lifespan. Thanos’s life was about as fast as a “snap” compared to Kang’s life 😏
@@monkeygaming5115 hehehe yea boi
isnt Thanos supposed to be way more powerful than Kang??? or maybe only in the comics
@@user-uh1kq8qt8n nope
@@fracturedsolace145 that’s debatable. Kang isn’t always as untouchable as he was in the finale. The avengers beat him plenty of times. Thanos has punched avengers in half before. If he got his hands on Kang it’s over. Plus people forget that thanos is way smarter in the comics than he was in the movie.
What is it about time travel and apples? In Dr Strange when he figures out how to use the time stone in the Eye of Agamoto he does that on an apple being slowly consumed and restored back. Here He Who Remains when we meet him is eating an apple, maybe it means nothing but I find it intriguing...
Since the bible, the apple incarnates (forbidden) knowledge. Newton, Turing, Steve jobs : scientists, inventors who all happen to use an apple.
Bc apples taste good and make cool noise when you bite them
i remember a quote called an apple away keeps the doctor away so ye idk
Ask Cinemasins what the apple means in any movie.
@@simon5ghost5riley Except the bible doesn't mention an Apple at all. In fact, the reason we think of the FF as an Apple is more to do with @QuestionEverything's pithy comment, than any historical fact. But to go to the FF, it was most likely a Fig, it is also not meant to be taken literally, like a lot of parables and stories written in the Torah / Midrash ect.
Some modern people say that animal flesh was the forbidden fruit, mostly Vegan Fundamentalists. Others who vouch for the virtues of Psychedelics would say it may have been magic mushrooms, as is a interesting hypothesis in The Stoned Ape theory of Human Evolution.
In the end, we may never know. Until one of us invents time travel, and can pick the exact day, out of the 100,000 of years to explore to find that "missing link" moment, to borrow a phrase.
And let's be real here, who has got time for that.
And for the Record, Turing used an Apple to poison himself because trying to use a Tomato would be messy AF.
Sometimes an Apple is just an Apple ;)
a big point that kind of goes against this is that the director of Loki did an interview with jack howard where she talked about how the idea for representing the timeline as a loop around kang came around quite late in the process. she did say the idea of time repeating was already a thing though so there’s that
Excellent breakdown, Charlie!! The people at Marvel are amazingly cunning, the way they are continuously intertwining the past with the present in the MCU!! THIS IS TRULY A TIME FOR THE AGES!!
One "complaint" people had with Endgame was how fast Tony cracked the secret of safe time travel. People have hunted for that secret for thousands of years. Scott says "quantum realm" and bang, Tony's got it in a few days. What if he had some help - consciously or not - from one of the Kangs/"He who remains". And there you go, one quick Bootstrap Paradox later and "Tony" has cracked it in a couple of days. (And maybe "He who remains" stole an Iron Man helmet while he was there.)
That’s actually a really good theory. But tbh stark is literally the smartest person “ ever “ if he wanted he could be a 100x worse version of kang but he’s a good guy. Like creating time travel 1,000 years before kang was even born. Imagine if he was bad and when he figured out time travel he went to the future and used kangs technology. I genuinely think he could be the most powerful being “ ever “.
I like how Tony is cosplaying Reed Richards as he is figuring out time travel.
That's a very keen observation, Charlie! Bravo!
Marvel went philosophical after WandaVision. They dealt with the nature of being, and Loki set us up with the nature of determinism vs self determination.
Hey subu
I mean I’m guessing that line Tony Stark said in endgame “time messes with you. It tends to mess back” was probably foreshadowing what was going to happen later in the MCU or Marvel Cinematic Multiverse is probably people might calling it now
@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr lol exactly
@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr or it could be both
@@spectralquill1810 Well first of all, the line was "You mess with time it tends to mess back"
@@divyankrastogi7508 yes i heard and know that and?
@@spectralquill1810 well I am not sure why the reply went to you. It was not for you.
I was literally thinking about this the other day!! EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!! Love the video!! I can’t wait for What if!!
‘Worst case scenario kind of person’ yes we call that anxiety. Lol
VERY INTERESTING tie-in with Tony Stark. What we all sometimes forget is, Tony Stark would be the lead egghead who came up with the tech to time travel. However, he would not be the sole person to have hands on the project like when he hammered together his first Iron Man prototypes on his own. Mr. Billionaire Playboy Philanthropist has a whole company, Stark Industries, where there are hundreds of people working for him. Some are on assembly lines, some negotiate purchases for materials and investment opportunities... and some are involved in R&D. I would not be surprised if an iteration of Kang (or one of his ancestors) came right from outta the research labs at Stark Industries. Dope breakdown, great job!
This just further enforces the fact that Iron man(Tony Stark) Is literally and theoretically responsible for the entire MCU
tbh the strongest avenger was tony stark for sure
Agreed. And I don't see how they move forward into some of these storylines without him
pretty sure "literally and theoretically" are redundant
@@snackpirate_ I'm positive you're using redundant incorrectly.
@@snackpirate_ No, just no.
Much simpler explanation for why the Avengers' travelling through time was permitted:
He Who Remains was born in the 31st Century, 1000 years after all the events we have seen up until Loki. The "Sacred Timeline" is simply the timeline that led to He Who Remains' birth, which was completely dependent on the Avengers travelling through time and saving the world. They all had free will *at the time,* and there were probably a gazillion timelines that branched out everywhere, but He Who Remains later went back and pruned all of the branches that didn't lead to the specific version of him that we see.
Makes sense thanks
you know what will really blow your mind... if time travel is possible in our universe, Kang is real
@@oligould8575 Well the actual world is more mysterious than the ones we make up. You never know......
@@oligould8575 don’t know about all that now
That was a really great break down. I do miss Ironman though :(
Wow! Awesome perspectives!!! ❤️❤️❤️
This theory sounds legit and looks like "Kevin Feige kinda thing".
Tony Stark is a futurist, so while he may have postulated a "Kang" could be the end result of their machinations odds are due to Strange's shortsighted focal influence, most of his thoughts did not extend much past the Thanos of it all
Yeah. Even that quote of time fighting back was in reference to what was currently going on with Thanos.
@@seanblack1320 true
I never thought someone would make this connection. Very good. Now go further. There something more to uncover
Wonderful synapses. Thank you.🥰
I didn't know a whole lot about kang other than being a time traveling villain with a futuristic supersuit. Had no idea he was such a dangerous threat.
Kang was one of the easier weirder multiverse villains marvel could have picked from to be their next big Marvel Phase 4 over-arching villain.
@@emergencyawesome I appreciate that marvel is going all in with the weirdness of the multiverse
In the comics Kang don't mess with the likes of Thanos
@@tomcash100 ok?….
"You're not the only one who's burdened with knowledge, Starks" - Thanos
cursed*
“Stark” you know me? “You’re not the only one cursed with knowledge” 😉
Mannnn!! Loki connects everything?!!!!! I gotta watch!
mind blown!!!!!!!!!!
that explains a lot of things.
Man Charlie you’ve outdone yourself this time … this is good stuff
I think I figured it out. When Stark was first visited by Rodgers, he had already ran simulations and was trying to resolve Strange's outcomes, which is why he already had an answer to Rodgers. I think the key variable was the pym particle and Lang's complete experiment. He then simulates what appears to be three lines or teams and one red line, which I think it's Thanos jumping into their present timeline. Therefore, it is possible, that Tony time traveled off screen and observed the events taking place before he met up with the team. This is why, he knew the answer to Banner's problem, "pushing time through Lang". That is why he had a new suit built for Rhodes and how he was able to survive Thanos's initial attack. He also told Rodgers where to find another space stone and he demanded, "don't ask me how I know", as one of the rules of time travel. Never reveal the future for it will change the outcome, which is the same rule that Strange told Stark, "If I tell you, it won't work". This is the same rule that "He who remains" said, "you must live through it to learn it's meaning".
I was with you until the Tony time traveled part. Hard disagree, but interesting theory
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In any scientific inquiry experiment you must have trial runs. From the beginning, Tony Stark has always test driven his inventions unless time is not on his side. He had 5 years to try and duplicate what Dr. Strange did with magic; look at the alternatives. I just think that this is not far reaching but like Dr Strange, Stark had to reconcile his death and justify it. He needed the answer that would lead to a victory along with his death. When he found it, he fell back in his seat because (my thoughts) he knew that it would work but he would need to die. I think at this point he made the virtual message for his daughter. Dr. Strange introduced the idea of 1 version of reality which would require sacrifices to be made and I saw Dr. Strange seeing that it would also cost Starks his life, but Stark had to be willing and strong enough to make that sacrifice. "I am Iron Man".
@@carlosmarshall7482 stark didn’t know because he asked strange hey is this how your plan goes? Then strange says that he couldn’t tell him. Another thing is that stark already knew the damage to the user of the gauntlet from what it’s done to thanos and the hulk.
@@carlosmarshall7482 that would also defeat the purpose that Kang figured out time travel from tony stark, since he was the one who figured it out.
When Tony mentioned Mobius strip.. I knew there is some kind of connection
In keeping with the mood - then Cap's statement in Age of Ultron Cap was more right when he said "Sometimes my team mates don't tell me everything" foreshadowing Tony not telling them what he suspected about a Kang-like figure.
I don't think Stark knew about Kang specifically, but he definitely knew and understood way more about the consequences and ramifications of what they could do with time travel tech, way beyond what we get to see. I also think He Who Remains may have gone to other timelines (or even the main timeline, who knows?) and prevented Stark from dying just to see how much more he could learn from Stark before pruning it and starting over.
Cap: what happened
Tony: you mess with time, time tends to mess back.
Time creatures from rick and morty:
(Come in swinging) " you dont fuck with time"
😂😂😂
This is going to be insane....I'm more afraid of Kang than Thanos.
No lies considering the mess with time
@@sericsson1996 No he's not Kang is not black in the comics he's white
After watching the end of Loki and what Loki’s variant did to Kang in the most obvious and smart way of playing someone… I had the same thought lol. I was like…
Well Fuck me sideways 🤭lol… thanks girl👍🏾
Thanks for damning the multiverse… shit she made the Mad Titan Thanos actually seem humane… in some way
@@sericsson1996 Agreed… at least with that variant… hopefully Ant-Man’s director doesn’t see Loki’s version of Kang and say That was great now copy that lol. But I do agree he killed it… his performance made the episode way better.
I also don't want to see the bad Kang variants
Super Insightful. Thanks!
I don't think Tony knew about kang but I believe Dr strange knew. I'm sure strange seen kang on that one chance to defeat thanos that's why I feel he had a bad feeling about it despite them winning.
I just noticed that tony said “you won’t be coming back”. When explaining why you shouldn’t mess with time.
As if he knew they’d get pruned
Great video as always!!🖖🏽
AHHHH. I'm so much more of a compatabilist today because of this. Along with my theology and philosophy, but this really zoomed in on my questions.
Yep. Compatabilism is the only way of of the central paradox of time vs free will, and all the other attendant paradoxes. Freedom IS understood necessity. Just as the oracle from the Matrix said: "Because
Wow, you just knocked it out of the park, just amazing so much detail. Thanks for this video
Thank you very much!
This is mindblowing. Iron man covered all phases of Marvel from first Hulk movie up to Avengers Endgame, this is actually a prelude to multiverse war since he said references on alternate realities or multiverse. Nice content. Clear and concise.
Its interesting, even In the First Averngers movie Tony Stark Directly tells loki that "there is no version where you come out on top" and loki literally finds this out in the alternate timeline right after avengers and I find that quite ironic and poetic, how he realizes that every life he has lived he ultimately fails to ever extent and it takes the TVA to prove it to him and he breaks down and realizes who he really is. Theres only one way Tony could've known but... how Could he have known about kang FOR THAT LONG?
There's also a comic where Kang buys the Avengers Tower from Tony Stark. This is also referenced in Loki in the background as an Easter egg. He does it to create Qang Enterprises, he alters Vision when Vision goes to check the tower to make sure nothing was left behind. So this could tie in White Vision from WandaVision, and it's another connection to Tony Stark.
They sold the tower to some unnamed person in the first Spider-Man movie. People think it's Kang or Osbourn.
Every single thing I've watched about Loki, makes me feel more in awe about the show. Like what the fuck man... They truly made a detailed masterpiece that was just perfect for the more in depth geeks like us.
The MCU is now the Kang Cinematic Universe 💯
Pretty much lol!
@@emergencyawesome 🔥
The MKU 😂
No. It should be Marvel Cinematic Multiverse
If I’m not mistaken doesn’t the Ancient One explain the time line branches to Hulk on the roof when they meet on how it disrupts the follow of time?
yes
Yes, she does... and with that one exchange she destroys the premise of the Loki show.
@@Manostion and for a second I thought I was tripping
@@johnboykins1254
Nah, don't worry. The writers for phase 4 are just a lot less experienced (or, more bluntly, good) than the ones that came before. The Disney+ shows assassinate the beloved characters, Loki especially is riddled with plot-holes, Black Widow was an insult to fans of the character... so far the best thing out of the entire fourth phase was episode 3 of "What if...?", but following the atrocity that was episode 2 of that same show, that isn't saying much.
@@Manostion I hope so cause it’s so man loop holes it’s crazy
Hey just had this thought, I don't think it's Iron Man's helmet which he had kept in his room. I think it is probably the helmet from Iron Lad. I also think the rest of the items on that shelf are relics from his other variants whom he defeated to become He Who Remains.