Gray Man Vs Tactical: Which is Better?
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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In todays video I discuss why I am changing over to a more grayman approach with my apparel and various pieces of kit.
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Just for clarification the clothing used in this video is to illustrate and contrast Grayman vs Tactical clothing, that doesnt mean that you literally need to wear gray clothing. As indicated in the video grayman is about finding the cultural baseline and trying to match that, if everyone is wearing flannel shirts with beards than you should do the same, if everyone is wearing a suit and tie, you should do the same. In some places "tactical" is gray etc. Generally speaking gray is a very neutral color. You can get these backpacks here. The Grayman pack canadianpreparedness.com/search?type=article%2Cpage%2Cproduct&q=addax* The Tactical pack canadianpreparedness.com/products/vanquest-trident-31-edc-pack-bug-out-bag?_pos=2&_sid=18ec3a73d&_ss=r Use coupon SURVIVALPREPPER for 10% off these great packs!
Wrong crusader is the right look
Hey could you help me spread the news about stab safety and PPE so everyone can protest safely ua-cam.com/play/PLsqjq6tqexnyl4JSl8EAZaCsZoD93QpzO.html
A hard hat can stop a bike lock or a bat and protect your skull from serious fracture
2 Cutting boards strapped together to make a vest can stop most stabbings
Wood or bamboo popsicle sticks or splints taped or strapped together to make a 1” plate around ones forearm can stop most laceration from a blade
If you're a woman would you recommend flannel and a fake beard?
@@jamespaul2587 hairy leg stockings
@@nunyabisnus1892 Would like to see a visual if the sticks.
@@nunyabisnus1892 and big wide shoulder pads, long hair can be converted into a mullet 🙂
It's funny because, Tacti-cool has gotten so popular in the US that it may be considered Grayman :)
Camo pattern was the main fashion in Sweden 2015, almost everyone wore something with it.
I agree 💯
@John Barron Yeah, I get the joke, but as I said to you at the time, that didn't mean that your hands needed to "bump into" my boobs
Right, the guy you really got to be concerned about is the one wearing a Nike sweater with his hands in his pockets.
Agree live in a Hunting community camo are grey man lol
I used to be homeless. It's a long story. Crazy lemme tell you. Most wont be able to mental handle being homeless, so they go to drugs, drink more, or get high. For me getting high and alcohol was big, especially in the cold winter time. I had to have heavy clothing in the winter. And put myself near a bridge hidden so no one seen me or at least the raccoons and rats. Most people who seen me usually didnt know I was homeless. It was a tough time but ended up finding out different tactics and methods to literally survive on no money at all. Food was a blessing to me. Now at 24 years old (I was 21 back when I was homeless) I have a good construction job and blessed to have my own studio. God bless and stick together when shit hits the fans 🙏
Stay safe
@@Flash1857 🙏 thank you. Likewise
I was homeless for 8 years,i agree with you,all you said.
So what are your tactics and methods? Please share
@@MG-lz5ki in albuquerque n.m.i positioned myself 1 half mile outside of town near city bus stop,was bugged out in tent in open space,well hidden,practice low light,low sound,used chamo tarp attached to tent,flat black spray paint to dull the tarp,and looked like everyone else i was around.
The people who look prepared are the first to go down. In the military i learned not to wear USMC clothes or military gear like that. If your in the store for instance and the crook notice there is a military person right there they will shoot or injure that person as their first move to make sure the person who looks like they can jump in and stop the bad thing from happening is removed from the equation so then their plans are not ruined. You become the target before you even notice there is a target and the attention has shifted from holding their weapon directly to the person at the cash register to maybe holding you as a hostage or using you as an example of what will happen if the cash is not handed over. To maintain a low profile is usually best for many reasons
I cannot believe more people have not liked this comment! I 100% agree. I live rural and believe in blending in whatever your location. Black backpack I've been carrying it for years, it is my daily bag. I go unnoticed from strangers.
@@madmack7501 what makes is difficult for you to wear 'normal' people clothing?
@@madmack7501 What way would that be? Could you elaborate?
Wow, usmc not in caps? Army vet here. If you're a young guy, and have that GI haircut is a giveaway. Cheers!
@@jimjones5530 lol, i fixed it
"Hey, that guy seems to be fully equipped, we could use the stuff ourselves.
"
vs.
"Look at this poor guy, should we offer him some soup?"
"Hey look a Gucci soldier, let's kick the shit outta him and take his expensive gear!" "Hey look a simp, let's kick the shit outta him and rob him."
Or they say damn is that lady hideous I won’t go near that and that lady is me locked and loaded!!
I like soup.
I'm Scottish so I guess I'll just wear my tactical kilt or "tactikilt"
I see what you did there, Archer reference 👍
I need one of those!
The tartan is molle
Also comes with a spin move special ability that hurls sharpened bagpipe reeds at your adversaries
Pre SHTF: Grey man
Post SHTF: Tactical
Urban environment: Grey man
Rural environment: Tactical
Yep.
Gotham City: Bat Man
We are more like Grey warrior's
.•°/\°•.
Even post shtf it's not a bad idea to use grey man techniques..
@@whysprs 100% people thought people who has more
I see tactical people I know they probably have guns I need them guns and probably good stuff
I've used the grey man philosophy for years and its actually gotten me out of more negative situations than when I went thru my "tactical" phase
so in your tactical phase you fended off killers? lol it is mind set not gear driven lol oh look a gray bag he has nothing lol will never happen
amen 😏
Grey man always. Tactical is a terrible idea unless people already know you're armed and have tons of equipment. Otherwise, avoid people's eyes, you don't want everyone looking at you.
@@jorgeenchilada I've always questioned the value of most "tactical" gear. My perspective is from having day-to-day grunt experience. I'm thinking that I really don't want to bother with a lot of the extra shit, and that it in a real SHTF scenario it would be better to be unassuming anyway. Even my rifle is just plain old iron sights; if I'm getting in a sniper duel I'm probably fucked anyway. I envision more foraging than fighting. Maybe some hardcore "operator" would tell me differently, but I'll be the guy wearing shorts and flip flops, weather permitting.
I have a tactical backpack with an optional civilian rain cover in light gray... so I can go both ways. After SHTF any backpack will attract attention, and then looking tactical in and on itself, esp. when you're in a group that all look tactical, has an extra repelling effect to most bad guys.
Gray rain cover, why didn't I think 🤔 of that. There are reversible ones that that have a reflective side for an added safety function - handy✋ for cyclists
I'm in a rural area, so anything "camo" or military doesn't even get a double-take.
However, anything "city" looks... 'different'.
@The Pervy Prepper there's been an explosive influx of from NYC buying up houses in my area (about 90 miles north). They stick out like a sore thumb in our small community, in their choice of car, attire, behavior, etc. (Most are very nice, that's not the point.) But they are patent leather and fur coats and we are red flannel and camo. I'm simply saying that one's environment is the determining factor in blending in as a "gray man".
Just goes to show that every environment has its own norms. What is normal attire in Lula, GA, or any small town anywhere, will be quite different than what is worn in most larger metropolitan areas.
Another tip. At night, tactical or grayman. Wear navy blue. Black will expose your sillouhete. The night sky doesn't illuminate black.
@@jackdean9202 Really? I live in SF and I'm curious about this.
I've been to rural areas many times and they dress the same way people do in the city. Whether it be cammo or a button up. I have come to the conclusion that people stick out in small communities because, its a small community. You probably haven't seen them around before.
Every single person I know from the country dress more "city like" (fur, leather, designer jeans and flannels) than the people I grew up with in the city, we were quite poor to middle class where I'm from and you wore around town what you wore to work. Which was usually work boots, a t shirt, and jeans. As a matter of fact I am of the belief that country folk are quite high end, similar to the downtown folk. This is just my experience.
So being gray still seems superior to tactical if you have to cross both city and rural areas.
Everybody i have ever seen do "Greyman" picks the most suspicious looking grey sweater on earth😂😂😂
I go for a blue hoodie cause blue has been shown to calm people down
If they're wearing an Adidas jacket, you know there's an AK nearby...
Only for demo purposes
Dress like a roadman/ chav
@@JoeZUGOOLA yo wag wam you wanna get shanked g
Just dress however you want unless you actually notice a lot of people staring at you.
I live in South Central Los Angeles, I'm a go grey woman. Always dress down and look like you have no money even if you have no money. Cultural baseline is key.
Agreed! As a bartender in both NOLA and LA, I made it home every night with $300-$500 cash by going "grey man" before walking out the door!
I actually told my husband when we were engaged and he was ring shopping "Remember we live in the city and I walk everywhere. Don't get something that stands out too much that people notice."
You better. Living in that place🤮
I have been doing this for years because we live in the hood. I don't dress up, no jewelry, makeup or hairdos. My husband still don't get it. I pass by dealers and gangs without so much as a flinch. I'm also an older chick so I'm pretty much invisible anyway.
@@dtxskyy hoodies and jeans are the baseline in South Central
I don’t think it really matters nowadays.
It matters.
@@innercityprepper half the kids walking around are wearing camo pants and a airsoft mask.
@@livingsurvival but you noticed them lol
You don't think it works? I'd personally rather blend in with wherever and whomever I'm around.
@@livingsurvival It really depends where you live. Where I live no one wears camo or anything of the sort.
"grey man" vs "tactical"
These are just labels. If you get noticed, you're wrong. My gear doesn't look like gear. I know that sounds weird but you get the point.
gear is minecraft
tactic is bloxorz
like my allegory? smash that like button
The difference between Gray Man and Tactical Man has as much to do with how a person carries themselves as how they dress. Walking around with a I'll stomp everyone's ass look regardless of how you dress will illicit a bad response. Do to my own situational awareness I observe how people react to the presence of other people and myself in different situations. In most cases the average citizen lives in what I call the 1 meter box. Anything outside that box that doesn't directly effect them is virtually invisible. Especially with today's smartphone hypnosis. The use of tactical clothing by the general public has made even it invisible in many places. People today are so caught up in their own struggles unless you do something to hinder their movement or physically touch them. Your presence is just a blur in their lives. generally the only people paying attention to their surrounding are the ones being paid to do so or other people who use Situational Awareness in their daily life.
I've noticed the same thing about the proximity. Anything beyond about 3-5 feet isn't even there. I don't know how people are that... trusting? Vacant? I don't know what to call it, but I enjoy having instincts and using my situational awareness. As a small woman, it has kept me alive and safe countless times.
and looking weak and meek also draws attention more than stomp ass criminals always go for the easy targets, ie school shootings places where guns are not allowed how many happen in gun stores or at shooting ranges or at cop stations?
Thats a trick question, grey man is tactical.
5.11 tactical pants arent very gray man
@@13grappler bec u know them dosnt mean otzer ppl know them
@@13grappler 511 jeans, done
The point is, to me anyway, is not to look the part. But to be the part. Not being an easy mark. To make the bad guy look at you and him see you as lesser because of what your wearing and carrying. If its an expensive gear, bad guys going to wonder what other Shiney toys in your pack. The objective is to get home safe, not Chuck Norris your way across the countryside.
Nelson Turner a freaking men and
The Tacti-cool guy was almost as gray as the Grayman.
Tacticool guy has a sweet furry-ish hood though.
Kind of right in CP’s example but tactical look could include camouflage, visible knives, axes and tools attached to your body, eye, head and knees protection and much more depending on how far you go....
If you seen both in a shopping mall trust me the Tactical backpack stands out way more
@@CanadianPrepper Its gotta be the gloves.
@@CanadianPrepper they speak as the people wearing them, unaware about how much they stand out lol
Trying to toss snow on your clothing to “camouflage”.... LMAO.... had me laughing so hard my side were hurting. 😂
I've done that before, the deer didn't care about the snow, they still tan away
It was funny… not THAT funny
Edit: on a serious note… go get checked for kidney stones maybe
Being tactical is about knowing what to wear when, not the type of "gear" is on you at any given time. its about achieving short term goal - gear, if any, is to support that activity.
I've dipped in and out to your channel over the years. Can't honestly say I've seen every upload but it must be most of them. I've just seen your subscriber count! All those years ago I remember thinking you deserve more and now look! So incredible. You certainly deserve it with how much you put into the channel.
Leveling up your vids man. Love it!
Hey could you help me spread the news about stab safety and PPE so everyone can protest safely ua-cam.com/play/PLsqjq6tqexnyl4JSl8EAZaCsZoD93QpzO.html
A hard hat can stop a bike lock or a bat and protect your skull from serious fracture
2 Cutting boards strapped together to make a vest can stop most stabbings
Wood or bamboo popsicle sticks or splints taped or strapped together to make a 1” plate around ones forearm can stop most laceration from a blade
Wrong crusader is the right look
Hey could you help me spread the news about stab safety and PPE so everyone can protest safely ua-cam.com/play/PLsqjq6tqexnyl4JSl8EAZaCsZoD93QpzO.html
A hard hat can stop a bike lock or a bat and protect your skull from serious fracture
2 Cutting boards strapped together to make a vest can stop most stabbings
Wood or bamboo popsicle sticks or splints taped or strapped together to make a 1” plate around ones forearm can stop most laceration from a blade
cheers to his new "communist videographer"!
@NostalgiaNgames I was thinking the same thing but also didn't want to be rude
@NostalgiaNgames check his videos. They are also friends.
I'm female in my late 60s. ANY backpack makes me stand out...but there are other ways to EDC while blending into the crowd. What's important is to know where you are and who you are;then you create a look to suit your desired goals.
Keep making your videos! Well done!!
Here in Switzerland, practically EVERYONE uses back / day packs for daily use .. even Grannies and Gramps (like myself).
'Handbags' and similar are an exception than the rule.
a vest perhaps...
Oversized handbag 👜
In either style, this guy really takes the cake at acting suspiciously in public places hahahaha
Either way, if you're carrying a backpack around, and people need stuff they will take your backpack. It won't matter whether it's a blue one, or a camo one.
This is where an ordinary LOOKING coat with a lot of INSIDE Pockets may be useful!
@@bruceforster3709 agreed
Not quite... if a house is known to have guns, it is more likely to be burglarized. And while we don't have statistics for backpacks, I would assume the same applies. Tactical guy looks like he has a gun in that bag, better steal it.
I would say in addition to that, those tactical backpacks are usually heavy (molle webbing ads a lot of weight if not used for zero benefit).
Also, there might be inconvenience in your daily life. E.g. you might be more often chosen for "random" security checks. And people in general will be less cooperative because you look unfriendly.
I also don't think that people are scared of someone dressing tactically. Projecting power is more a personality treat than and attitude than the way you dress. Clothing might enhance it, but either you have it or you don't. Most will exactly think what was mentioned in the opening "what is this guy compensating for".
Personally, I like bike-backpacks, they sit very well, usually have lots of compartments for organization (often on the belt, for easy access), are lightweight and optional can have a back-armor (e.g. EVOC).
@@etherealicer lol whatever
@@curtislong1987 thats why I wear a backpack that says "I suck dick" theyll never try to steal it in fear of being called a homosexual
Lady in the beginning: "dang this pandemic be hitting people different"
Just another stalker looking for anomaly
"I've got pockets...with zippers on it" 😂
Went to some pretty rough schools, in my experience the tougher you try to look, the more people want to challenge that.
Tactical may look intimating to average people but to criminals, they see you as challenging them.
Could be. But I found out, that its more that they first of all gonna test your confidence. If you proove yourself to be able to defend yourself if necessary, but not quite aggressive towards them, then mostly those guys gonna befriend you one day. But the same with normal looking guys actually. But some may see through your disguise if you are not that tough as you look and will call it out in someway. Both really have useful and unuseful attributes.
Don't nob heads normally target the weak? This ain't high school. A challenge could get you stabbed/shot
@@JoeZUGOOLA true but mentality remains the same. Any prison documentary will tell you the same thing. You have to know you're capable rather than try to show it. You're telling the whole world that you're compensating otherwise.
Here's my thing, if a bad guy sees a tactical looking guy, he's gonna find a tactical way to take him out. Grayman could be underestimated
Hoodie over the head is suspicious and always draws my attention.
Saggy pants and hold over head are dead give aways that you don’t want to be seen or are up to something, maybe not the saggy pants, but people with saggy pants get more attention
@@muricaman991 because people think saggy chlotes are the uniform of a thug
@@djzrobzombie2813 they pretty much are though, I just just couldn’t think of a way to say that
@@djzrobzombie2813 that's because they are
Ty Wik - in a SHTF situation that suspect looking style might get you shot on sight
Tactical look will bring increased attentionn from the police which is never good. Plus they may assume you're armed which increases the likelyhood of a bad situation occuring.
No matter where you are from, or at what state of play the world is in, it VITAL, you stay away from the police. They will focus on you until they can harm you or restrict your freedom. Do not establish contact, ask for help, or swap information with them. EVERYTHING they do is AGAINST you. They even tell you that when they are polite enough to explain why they are f*!king you over.
@@daveconnelly9964 omg stay away with this anti police bullshit ! Go get some help !
@@try3791 Really? You are naive. If you are homeless the police aren't likely going to be helpful. They are not social workers.
They treat me well but I have a job(s), a company uniform, a service truck, papers and the backing of a large company.
Note: I use the police to move the homeless along or to jail. I deal with the whole spectrum of lower level society in my many job roles.
@@ChildOfYAHUAH777 i dont watch tv in first place. I dont need brain wash thx.
I have been a cop here in germany for 5 years before i went into the Military police. I dont know how the Situation in the US is but man. Just stop the blind hate. Its not helpful. If ure nice to the police theire gonna be nice to u too. If u act like a dick like u did to here their not gonna be nice. As easy as that. Were all only human. No normal Person wants to hurt other ppl on purpose and without any reason.
@@nameremoved4010 /\
So basically, I should just dress normally.
Read "One Year in Hell" At a certain point anyone with a backpack is shot for loot.
what?
@@AdiCro678 you got a bag. You got things in that bag. I want that bag.
@@StephenShreds And to see if you have any women around.
Very true. I lived in a very poor community growing up. And I wouldn’t care if you were military or a regular person. If it looks like you had something in a bag. I would’ve just got you when you weren’t watching. Best thing to do is carry something that looks like it’s doesn’t have anything important.
@@tubeguy4066 most people are incapable of separating fact from fiction in the modern world.
Example, one person in some forum somewhere said open carry makes you the first target in a robbery. Since then millions of lemmings have cited this idea as gospel. They know, cuz they seen that shit go down, yo.
Reality: one of the more popular prison shows presented that very scenario to several hardened criminals. Murderers, bangers, armed robbers. The type that would do something like that
Every single one of them said if they saw a gun somewhere they were about to hit, they left. They wanted easy targets, not a hassle that could get them shot themselves.
It doesn't matter how you dress if you've got a tacticool swagger
I cannot hide my 33 years on the 🇬🇧reserve roster as a CMT with the Paras by the way I walk. It does take a great effort not to walk in that manner.
@@barriereid9244 acting is as important a skill as any when It comes to survival.
My bugout bag is a Hello Kitty backpack. They'll suspect nothing 😁
That's pretty good 😂
If I saw a Hello Kitty backpack on someone or just lying around on the floor, because of my area, I’ll assume it’s full of drugs
@@7hunder324 That's actually a hecking thing!
I wouldn't mess with someone wearing a hello kitty bag. They're probably badass or crazy - or both - but probably not worth the hassle.
except when you start whooping ass! lol
I just feel like a backpack is always suspicious these days
Thats why i prefer fanny packs. Real common in fashion nowadays. Not threatening due to it being small and gives a more relaxed look.
It really depends on where you live. I'm a vet, that tries not to look it, but I do wear cargo pants and work boots, because I work in that. I've lost count of how many people I've met that wear some kind of surplus, and never even considered military surplus. What I call "desert boots", and the pants with that God awful hot mess the Army went to after M81 are all the rage here, and an assault pack.
Depends on where you're at. Doesn't look suspicious while riding a bike.
I believe it's more of a situational thing. If you're in a rural area or in the woods, a backpack may seem normal. Especially if you look like a hiker.
But in a city, walking through stores and the such, it probably seems more uncanny.
Not now, in the city everyone has a backpack at all times!
Honestly if you’re a guy with some kind of pants and a backpack you’re immediately someone I look out for
So we should all wear speedo's, and pull a little red wagon?
@@deangullberry5148 makes you way more gray than this
I live in a town where nobody caries backpack and I'm the only one that does. Damn people, they give me tough times.
I live in a college town where backpacks are very common, however, I carry a black messenger bag that is convertible to either a crossbody/haversack or a backpack, best of both worlds.
@@lanegardinier760 have a link? I have been looking for one
Messanger or Versipacks are your best bet. I believe Vanquest and their sister company Maxpedition make a few.
Yeah, where I live a guy with a backpack is trouble.
I carry a messenger bag everywhere. 5.11, Eberlestock and Nutsac have some excellent ones.
Gray man with as much tactical that can be hidden and trekked with.
I’m most interested in how you had someone taking video of you walking around the mall in a hoodie carrying a backpack, opening it to expose all types of electronics and strange looking things inside, haha... I would absolutely expect someone would have told on you.
Then again, banks now require you to wear a mask before entering. Of all things, I never saw that one coming. 😂
In Suburbs, it is best to dress in the “gray” man gear, than tactical gear. We should Blend in until an emergency happens.
Suburban Greyman wears the jersey of the local sports team, track pants, baseball cap, etc..
Your version of a Greyman looks very tactical. America's Greyman is gonna need jeans and some sort of sports apparel.
I don't think his tactical is really tactical 😂
Yea even his tactical is pretty gray man tbh
@@gabegu5102 I don't think the greyman would be great at a TEOTWAWKI, it isn't durable or lasting long.
Yeah grey man still looked tactical and tactical man didn’t have enough, true tactical is in full kit armor/firearm/headunit and night vision.
@@ArnodJ It doesnt mean wearing a plate carrier and open carrying, clearly its a militant look. Unless everyone in your town dresses that way
Years ago when i was a national power and weightlifter, i was huge. 31” thighs, 20 1/2 inch arms, 35 inch waist and a 57” chest relaxed
It got me attention
People stared and noticed you everywhere you went
They avoided me like the plague because they assumed i would have this bad ass attitude and want to snap them in half
If it was shtf, i would have stood out like a sore thumb no matter what i wore
Great for hauling tons of gear in the woods but a beacon in the city (i was a martial artist and boxer too so could move with the bulk as well as being fit for the military)
That was in the mid 80’s
Now that i am in my 60’s and have lost a lot of that bulk, i can move around more easily without being noticed.
So i reckon if shtf and you have to move around the city, gray man is good
In the woods the tactical stuff would be better so that you dont stick out like a sore thumb
It also depends if you are moving to get out the city, foraging for supplies that you are locked down and cant get out for what ever reason, or if you did get out and are now in the woods and need to disappear from marauders etc
If exiting by vehicle a change of clothing of each with a pack cover (if you got a gray man pack carry a camo cover and vise versa) in your vehicle. Its a small bag and you are covered.
Also, layer your kit
I work off levels 1-3 plus edc
The old timers military PACE system
And a loose bag with extras as above
Thanks for a good video
I dont care if you were military, spec ops, CIA etc
As you get older and dont practice everyday, the Commadore 64mb computer needs a refresh screen every now and again
Brigadier Ferguson said:
Its surprising how little kit is essential to survival, but amazing how essential that little is
Stay safe out there
Heads up
Eyes open
No fear
Was a big farm boy to start at 6’
Ate a lot and trained hard
Stay away from the jungle juice its not good for you, no matter what anybody says
Having done that, got the T shirt, i will say get strong rather than big
Big uses a lot of energy in a shtf situation and your oxygen requirements are huge
Look at calisthenics- those guys are strong and agile
If i had to do it all over again thats the way i would go
They are incredibly strong yet look “normal”
And have less joint problems later
Seriously
Give it a look see
Yes, but you can always tell a martial arts guy by the way they move.
I love how supportive the “prepper” channels are with one another. Just look at the comments sections here!!
This is especially true for any short-term situation where you might find yourself having to get home on foot (big disaster, emp, etc). When I first started prepping I made myself and my wife a "get home" bag for our trunks out of a super functional (and cool) tactical bags. Years back I switched to a regular old backpacks and think it will do a far better job at blending in on our trek home and not putting a target on our backs.
If something were to happen where I had to hump it home I'm almost doubtful that people would instantly go into Road Warrior mode. My farthest commute is 31 miles away from home, I'm not in the best physical condition & it's possible I might be walking "with" other people that I don't know. That might be the problem. Haves & have nots! If that's the case it doesn't matter what kind of backpack I'm carrying because I might be viewed as a resource.
@@godofthunder808 Yeah, I should think that most people would also just try to get home in that scenario.
@@philhelm1318 It might be a good idea to make your way home as soon as possible because the crisis will eventually worsen with the passage of time. My goal is to reach home within 48-hours because I feel that people will start to panic by day three.
Gray man gets my vote, but context is king.
@Robbie Taylor Context Definitely Matters.
Context does matter.....
come to Philadelphia tryin to look too much like a "Gray man" and you might get robbed!
I think the tactical pack is more common these days . It's almost gray man .
Agreed. Milsurp is common enough to go unnoticed.
I’m a big very black man living in a homogenous and very racist place. Neither grey man nor tactical would work for me.
You need dazzleflage. Some knee high boots, hot pink booty shorts, and a neon tank top. They'll be too busy going WTF!? to do anything.
So, black man it is.
jago668 Actually, not the worst strategy🤣
@canadian prepper here in rural Montana camouflage and tactical gear is actually grey man. Wearing the hoodie and grey man stuff would actually bring attention to you because you would look out of place......grey man when it comes down to it is actually "blending into your environment" so its going to vary from place to place.
I was a news camera van man, seen some hairy urban stuff. Do this...
Get into your car & drive to the worst part of town at night & just look around, see if you have the balls to get out and just walk around. If your too scared to even do that then your prob not gonna survive SHTF. Just stay home and order your storable food & tactical gear online, maybe you can use it to trade for your life when the gangs & tribal warlords come.
Huh. I like this. Very fair.
I did this. Was worried the wheels would get stolen off my truck. The next day I walked there. No big deal. Most people don't give strangers a second look. Those that are in good shape and can run and jump have the advantage in a bad situation
Both have their place, I remember when I was deployed we had a platoon sergeant who alway made sure we all looked "dress right dress" saying that insurgents were less likely to attack a proffesional and organized looking platoon and just let them pass and would be more inclined to ambush a raggedy "ate up" looking platoon that seemed to be relaxed and half assing it. I don't know the validity of it but it stuck with me, I'm more of a fan of the show of force as a deturance and that bad guys like predator wild animals will seek out the weakest looking in the herd. If you are scavenging for supplies the greyman look would probably be the better option.
Your Platoon Sgt. was absolutely right. I came out of VN with the same experience. Look like a hard target and you will be bypassed. The Duke of Texas. 199th Light Inf, Brig.
John Correia from Active Self Protection has a great saying, "The first step in self defense, is to fail the victim selection process." So, projection of strength and alertness has to be a component of your persona.
One of the reasons I've loved being brought up in the Midwest and South: nobody bats an eye if you have a multicam/pea dot/flecktarn backpack.
Ahhh Flecktarn❤
"Tactical" IMHO is merely a marketing strategy to sell pseudo military style outfits and equipment to wannabe army and marine types who have grown up shooting evil geurilla fighters on Xbox. A lot of stuff called tactical is Chinese Junk. Better to have the equipment and skills you need without advertising.
Surplus military stuff tho not the tacticool shit but like actual surplus is way better to begin with
lol I’m old already, and I am probably going to be out in the bush when shtf with my Tomahawk, a small skinning knife, a wire saw, canteen, and fire striker.
& sitting on high ground watching the drama below with my Bino’s.
Helikon tex have some good stuff
I'm 6'5" tall and about 225# so people seem to remember me fairly easily. But the gray man concept is a solid proven way to minimize your uniqueness to an extent. I'm glad to hear you talk about customizing your "look' to the environment, a very important consideration.
I try for a blend of the 2. Looking inconspicuous while having some of the functionality of tactical is what works for me.
I like wearing Carhartt. Its a happy middle ground between the 2
How about under armour?
@@djzrobzombie2813 under armour is good too if youre in an urban area. Im very rural and carhartt holds up better in the woods plus its all my work clothes anyway lol
@@John_on_the_mountain well i like in the city so it's under armour
If I'm going Outdoors i rely heavily on columbia chlotes
@@djzrobzombie2813 columbia is great too i like their rain jackets.
I make it a point to blend in with what the locals are wearing.
It depends on the situation, you can’t really say overall what one is better unless you know the situation.
The number one thing you learn in Basic training is not to get noticed. Getting noticed gets you screamed at, knife handed, and PT’d until you can’t move. I don’t think my drill sergeants even knew my name.
You make a ton of valid points. Tbh grayman is where it's at. The reason I say this is because you can stay under the radar while you learn the other person's intent. Which already helps in real life situations and especially in a cataclysmic situation as well
Grey man vs tactical; the common denominator is which kit offers "Camouflage" in the environment in which you find yourself. That is to say, which kit gives you the ability to hide in plain sight be it in the bush or in the city.
Well said... And cool name. 😉
@@NewEnglandLyle Not many of us.
Doesn't matter. Your situational awareness is far more important.
I agree, I see both types and I see many people wearing everyday clothes with a brown or black "tactical" backpack. I know alot of people who buy them as there are very versatile and generally well built. But alot of it can depend on what types of clothes you are wearing while with that bag. But the biggest weapon is knowing whats happening around you as much as possible. And then knowing how to react to situations around you with the tools and knowledge you have. Just because a dude comes in to the restaurant your in and robs it at gun point and you carry, doesn't mean that you should take out the threat.
This is the most important and truest response. Your SA will be everything in whatever situations you find yourself in. Especially if you are not carrying
I'm 5' 6" and no longer have the athletic build I had when I was younger so physically I don't intimidate anyone. Def grayman is the way to go for me.
It's all about attitude and how you carry yourself. "I belong here".
Look weak when strong, look strong when weak.
Art of War
In our overseas assignments, we were told to always buy all out clothes on the local economy, right down to the socks.
The biggest thing that gives anyone away is a backpack. No matter what you're dressed like, you're a target if you have a bag because even if its empty people will assume it's full. Without the bag both look pretty "grey man". I carry an admin pouch on my hip now, holds everything I need in a day or back to my car and is slim enough to be hidden under my shirt. You make good points and is why I stopped carrying a bag haha
I'm a female who grew up in a bad neighborhood. I've been perfecting the "grey man" for decades.
Being an "alpha" doesn't necessarily mean inviting other alphas to challenge you.
But you would date that alpha male not the beta .... That's for sure 😂
@@djzrobzombie2813 An alpha who knows that discretion is the better part of valor? I married one 😉
@@djzrobzombie2813 I wouldn't date nor marry any male who refers to people as "alphas" or "betas." Such a pitiful, simple-minded belief system.
I’m gonna take the Peter Griffin approach. Dress like a clown.
Well they were looking for army guys! 😆👀🤣😂
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You're going to dress like a member of Congress?!
Imagine dressing up like a furry. A nice, bulky outfit that you could hide a bazooka in. Bonus: they'll probably think you're crazy.
"Cultural baseline" oh, the tactical and strategic anthropologist in me loves that you included that.....
I want to be an anthropologist. Where do I go? How do I start?
@@DB-xo6xh The Ohio State University
The tactical vs. grey man discussion is an interesting one. As it is said, there is a place for everything and everything in its place.
Both backpacks can function as a grey man pack. But if you really want to blend in, the less tactical the better. As long as you have those necessary items in your grey man pack to get you home or around in an unknown environment.
The tactical backpack is great for the outdoors(battlefield, bug out, disaster event) because of the extra space for gear.
Grey man dress vs. tactical dress is another issue. I have read that it is not a good idea to wear leather because it can reflect light. So, polyester, fleece, denim or cotton clothing can be helpful.
And most important of all is to relax and act naturally. You don’t want to give yourself away if you are in a combative mindset. You are on your own and you don’t want to engage with anyone no matter what skill sets or gear you have to defend yourself.
Great presentation. Thank you.
I saw so much of my history in the side-by-side presented here. My personal progress in regard to what I carry daily on a macro-level. I was often very intimidated by Chicago when I moved here and due to my stature I leaned very heavily into the "Tacticool". In more recent years, I've certainly tried to outgrow the overly militaristic apparel & bags and look more average
sidelined the 5.11 and Maxpedition in favor of Carharrt, Patagonia, and Osprey
instead of trying to carry a 72-hour bugout bag everywhere, I refit to the smallest possible profile any time I leave the house
Tactical for large group raids. Grey man for everything else.
Yeah if your going on the offensive maybe you and a group of friends are going to take out small bad group of people after SHTF then tactical, everything else gray man
Makes sense to try to be as intimidating when with a group and harmless when alone.
CP: "Which one of us are you most likely to mess with"
Me: Neither because CP is a big dude and I don't wanna get yeeted to Albuquerque 🤣🤣
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Already in Albuquerque, would still like to meet him..👍👍
Anybody walking around with a backpack that filled up attracts my attention. Both these dudes would catch my eye.
OK - it's official. CP has become a master of cinematography as well as a great communicator and SHTF strategist. Great vid CP. Keep up the good work.
Canadian prepper be pumping out videos. Lol, good job! I seriously enjoy them!
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The gray man is merely a concept that is only effective to those who are not observant or have heightened awareness of small details.
And that's based on your experience in the field?
I have always been into the "grey man" look, you should blend in when in crowds or public. Also if your pack looks new, add strip of duck tape to the straps, corner or randomly on the bag where people can see. If you want to blend in you need to pay attention.
Excellent idea
I tend to play both worlds. Tac wear with a civi shell. My belt kit is woodsman leather so doesn't attract too much.
Try to have my pack appropriate for the environment but you can always throw a sweater over one to make it less obvious.
Ultimately layers will save your butt if you have to face the environment so it's easy enough to pull off.
Nah, dress like Kurgan in "Highlander" because "Raider" will be the SHTF chic look :P
Words of a true American.
"Happy Halloween, ladies!!!"
@@MarcillaSmith awesome lines in that film ;)
@@livefreeordie1776 lol ;)
Well I'm from "Haggis land" so I'm all on MacLeod's side of the thing :P
"Fallout" games and Judge Dredd comics, predicting the world decades ahead of their time ;)
I actually watched a video a while back about a group of people who live and dress the Mad Max style. There's also a festival they go to every year. They also have apocalypse-inspired vehicles.
“Gray man” with options to change into clothes that are appropriate for your environment.
then better carry HUGE backpack (and hope 60+ liters non tactical backpack wot "stick out" too much ;) ). clothes are major PITA (regarding volumetric space they take), tactical gear even worse...
Another tip. At night, tactical or grayman. Wear navy blue. Black will expose your sillouhete. The night sky doesn't illuminate black.
I really like this format, comical and informative!
Having done done some wilderness backpacking, after a few trips you judge the people you meet mostly by their gear.
Yeah the fancy ones don't know what they are doing.
When you meet that guy on a crossover trail carrying a folding tac shovel....
@@loosejooce dont like folders. but i do carry my cold steel shovel with me, when im out for more than a day or two hike. dont give f**k, what rest of them think, its my hike, my way of camping (within legal permits that is), and its ME carrying all that "unnecessary" stuff.
@@ApocGuy i was referring to hiking on trails. Like the ice age trail around here or when I did the PCT. Hiking for a months on end you will not be carrying a tac shovel after week 2. There are bins all along the start of the trail in Georgia where people deposit stuff they don't need. People put bowie knives in there worth 100s of dollars but would rather save weight. Trowel or 3 pound shovel that is overkill for digging a hole to shit.
In regards to bushcraft which is when I do carry my stubby shovel among other heavy things. Thays different because if you doing it right you shouldn't be seeing another person haha. Im also blessed with large swaths of family wisconsin woodland so I may carry a bias
@@loosejooce you are right about the weight ..... There comes a point when you just want to get rid it it !
I prefer tactical and keeping a strong militaristic presence over just bending in.
Me too , I agree
Same. Me and two buddies all with body armor, helmets, semi-automatic rifles and pistols is a very risky gunfight to a group of any size.
It's not just your packs and clothing. These days where the US as a society is so edge (protests, riots, and general civil unrest) it is important to not stand out. If you see me whether in my basic Honda Civic or out walking in some standard casual wear. You wouldn't suspect I am a combat vet and a licensed concealed firearm carrier. If I want to blend into foliage, I wear imitated foliage patterns as camo. If I want to blend into a crowd, I wear what the crowd wears as camo. I have been doing this for years and have taken some heat from some Army buddies for doing it.
Nothing wrong with following your instincts 😉
Shoot, i have an Army license plate. I like to believe it would get cops to not tail me due to me having a sports car. I would never dare to go into major cities though, thats a death sentence for me lol. A lot of people there hating anything involving the government.
As a woman, the grey theory is a little different, especially where I live, you don’t want to look “like a woman. I’ve seen the difference of what clothes you wear as a woman has on your privacy and safety. I used to wear really nice clothes for work and I literally was harassed and creeped on constantly. I have a form of post traumatic stresses because of sexual abuse. Traffickers, pedophiles, creeps are literally everywhere and they even follow girls home all the time, I’ve had a pedophile chase me down in his car while I was on my bike, and in fact I was followed too downtown with my friend by a group of foreign men over a year ago. Most likely trying to snag me up for their ring. They took pictures of me...I knew they were on to me, but I didn’t let it show, played it cool and didn’t panic. I had my edc for self defense. Situational awareness is key, no matter what you are wearing. I purposely didn’t wear tac looking gear that night to tone it down...looking back they probably wouldn’t have messed with me if I had my sons of liberty shirt on lol...I wear tac gear, I wear my patriot gear, I am mindful about how I look, I’m just being myself and plus, we live in America, I have every right to wear my patriot shirts and put morale patches on my bag..At my house I go all out, because I’m a homesteader kind of lady. Work and home, that’s about it, and work is close to me. And the only place I travel is to Texas to see my brother, I fit in there naturally. Most the time cowards pray on the weak.
This channel even works for the game i play called dayz. Your channel helps so much for day z players. Plus it helps for real life too.
😂 get the game genie!
I like it somewhere in between: tactically sound gear that looks subdued/casual.
I think u should do more videos like this, it was very educational, and interesting. It felt more realistic than fantasy.
When I see any man wearing cargo pants that didn't serve. You are a child and forgot to grow up. We get it badass you go to a gun range. I'm glad you put humor and realism to life. You have good outdoor survival advice and teach people all situations to avoid and evade. You understand all people's levels of awareness. thumbs up
The Gray Man, can handle more situations. However, if you want to keep others away, then you may go with the Tactical one. I would think the Tactical, may be more useful in a stationary position such as a camp guardian, etc., or for concealed movement in a forested area. The Gray Man, allows for more movement between areas.
I confirm cause i use tactical packs and im a woman. I get looks (in metropolises) occasionally but notice how im never approached unlike other times I looked plain where i was more approachable and annoyed. In metropolitan places, using some tacticool stuff, people left me alone and definitely not try to fool me unlike how the cons treat tourists who are using plain stuff. In rural areas and wilderness, its considered outdoorsy since i see other hikers with tac packs as well. I live in CO now so i see tac packs so much that you honestly wont stand out. I used to live in NY and yeah i get a few stares but like i said, theres a contrast at least for me. Also as an introvert, its a plus. Locations can also be a factor.
Regardless, i think if anyone wants to do harm to anyone, i think the least they would be concerned about is how one looks. The only times i think people will care is if they're looking for a suspect with a matching description which would suck but can and has happened to many people. That or if your in a foreign country because either route you rep, you will still stand out as American or European.
this is why i have both styles of backpack, it all depends on where you're gonna be going, i've had the same jansport backpack for years and yes, i've had to repair it with fishing line a couple of times. i also bought a smaller 5.11 pack for more rural settings
“I’m going in headstrong…cause I have pockets” 😂
Since I’ve embraced grey man philosophy, I’ve had my stuff stolen less. I think the tacti-cool look encourages theft because of the potential rewards associated with it. (Weapons, nicer electronics etc.)
That's another point that wasn't really addressed. Tactical gear tends to be expensive, which signals to others that you're well-off and have good stuff to steal.
To me the choice is down to how far we are into the SHTF... Grey man today; Tactical tomorrow. Pretty simple really!
It doesn't matter what you were as long as you can stay In good form with your own situation.
The thing that altered my thinking towards the preference of the 'grey man' approach was hearing that the Lee Rigby murderers selected him to be killed in their terrorist attack based on his military backpack because they wanted to kill a soldier as a statement. I can't say that is in fact what happened, but hearing that made me think that I would much rather be underestimated and ignored than targeted and observed. By going for the 'grey man' approach so I don't earn any unwanted attention I can focus on what I need to do for my wellbeing and priorities whilst avoiding others attention and expectations.
Location is also a important factor.
Interesting video!!! I heard the tactical persona ask why police and other law enforcement (LE) personnel wear uniforms and I don't think I saw anyone in the comment address the question. The basic answer to that question is LE and other emergency personnel WANT that attention because of the job. Those professionals are trained to protect their citizens, perform duties most people can't, and engage in public outreach programs. Also, their uniforms serve as a visual deterrent for would-be criminal activity and a signal for those in need. In contrast, a grey man (person) would not want ANY OF THAT ATTENTION. No grey man wants to be seen as a bad ass or someone not to mess with. In fact, the grey man doesn't want to be seen or noticed at all.
"A Grey Man" attracts attention because of this video . . . just be Normal and the grow up.