My challenge to any U.K. Adam Mizner Students. Is your Tai Chi fake?
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- This is my challenge to any U.K. based Adam Mizner students. Can you push hands with me and make me hop around, jump on the floor or fly through the air like your teacher does? Or are you poor students/the victim of a poor teacher? No violence needed. We can go as gently as you want. Let’s get to the truth.
Completely agree - I have called out this fraud also
I can’t come to terms with people still believing in magic
The only way you can call him a fraud truthfully is If you have touched hands with him why not wait until a seminar near you and pay to go
.then you can really know if it's a fraud
Video tells nothing and talk is cheap
@@maduroholdings Haha pay the fraud to get to call him a fraud? Logic not your strong suite?
If he guaranteed to wrestle me I put a bet on with him - isn't that the fairer arrangement? If he's not a fraud he'd still go home with a chunk of change
@@maduroholdings I can call him a fraud by understanding how opponents react. I’ve emailed his U.K. representative and he hasn’t replied. I’m presuming they know it only works on the gullible
@@ManchesterKungFu I love how these guys want to follow tradition until you try to go to kick school…
Suggestion: take a page from Emin Boztepe (from 1986 - look him up) and go to one of Adam's seminars to test out a student or Adam himself in person instead of issuing a ridiculous challenge to build your channel from their notoriety. The onus is on YOU to prove that they are full of crap since what they do bothers you so much. A much better idea would be for you to go join an MMA gym where your ego might get reduced. Then you won't care what Mizner does at all; you'll focus on yourself instead of calling out others.
Wing chun guy who ended up making his martial art look awful after challenging William Cheung and they both rolled on the floor like school children (I don’t need to look it up). I did a short laughing at his sifu. It was the 90’s. It’s 2022 now. That behaivior gets you arrested. I cover that and other arguments you may be tempted to repeat here ua-cam.com/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/v-deo.html
@@indefenceofthetraditionalmaGotcha. You seem to have all the answers so more power to you. I’m sure you’ll get what you’re looking for. Cheers.
This is healthy and valid. All styles and claims must be pressure tested.
Will somone kindly push hands with this chap and post the results?
It’s not so much pushing hands (I’ve pushed hands and been thrown around by very skilful people), it’s the making me hop around with a mere touch that I’d like to see
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma You will if you gonna be much less song than your opponet in that case Mizner...Were.did you trained Tajiquan?
@FrZ321 HME are cowards that only practice on their own students. I learnt tai chi all over the U.K.
I understand why individuals doubt the validity of Adam's skills as it looks unbelievable in his videos. However, I am certain your personal meeting with Adam would change your mind.
It really wouldn’t.
saddest reply on the net maybe. as so far ALL the evidence points to ADAM havbing NO nay sayers who have met them and many teachers go to him.
to claim you already know means you are fully deluded or do not know how tai chi works at high levels or maybe are just clueless about the rules of logical debate, there were 10 or 12 last time i checked. and ad homenm and strawman arguments were on the list. that is all you use. gmacc seemingly has met him and has data you don't you prima facia negate this based on attitude and wellthats all.
GO take his free month 1 and work it hard then talk to us. this is really just you embarrassing yourself that you know NOTHING of higher skills of internal martial arts.
I had high hopes, but you straitened me out. Your manner is so earnest and forthright. Your very cool.
I feel like this may be a sarcastic comment?
Huh. Everybody seems to be really offended about Adam mizner being taken off a pedestal... All this guy is saying is that he has doubts about a person being able to electrify, throw and incapacitate people using an invisible force and in literally any other context besides a tai chi comment thread, that sounds and is perfectly fucking reasonable
Well either if you have doubts or not, the story starts when you pronounce a very obvious surname the right way. Either the creator of this video is retarded, or he has zero respect for AM and would like to offend him; and since it seems the latter, of course some are offended too. Adam Mizner doesn't have to prove anything. If you want to experience his stuff, book a place to one if his seminars and decide for yourself if he is OK for you or not. Easy.
@@Nofarewell umm... Yes he does lol he absolutely has something to prove. Are you serious? If you're selling a product (in the case of AM, his seminars) based on an advertised skill set or area of expertise, yes you absolutely DO have something to prove otherwise you are exactly what the creator of this video said you are, a charlatan. AM produces, endorses and releases content that effectively says "I have mysterious qi powers that can make people collapse or fall a direction I'm not even pushing them in. If you want to learn how, purchase classes with me". If this is truthful, great 👍🏻 amazing. But if it's NOT, then he 100% deserves to be called out on it as would any salesman misrepresenting their product for profit.
Also, if the last name were say "Johnson" or "white" etc, yea, I'd say you had a point but Mizner? Naw man, not that common as far as the vast majority of the globe is concerned. Totally get the creator of this video being skeptical, he has every reason to be. Meanwhile I sincerely don't understand your obsequiousism to this Mizner guy. Are you a student of his? An investor? What's the deal there?
@@zacharybloo9884 Well either way you and/or the creator of the video has zero regard about what he does or has zero experience about internal arts if you think he sells BS. First, why don't you invest the same energy or even less as creating a bragging video on the internet (of which we have too much already :) ) about him, to research a bit before you form a critique? Because he certainly doesn't sell any mysterious thing. You just don't listen, which is actually the case when one feels to attack someone else by any means and without research. "AM produces, endorses and releases content that effectively says "I have mysterious qi powers that can make people collapse or fall a direction I'm not even pushing them in. If you want to learn how, purchase classes with me". If this is truthful, great 👍🏻 amazing. But if it's NOT, then he 100% deserves to be called out on it as would any salesman misrepresenting their product for profit." Yes. And how do you test it? You go to one of his seminars and try it out. Or he would haul ass because of a retard who is so disrespectful that he cannot even say his name right? Yeah right, explain that as well. I tell you something, I am not even coming from an English speaking country, but that name has Saxon/German/English origins obviously, goes without saying; and yes, I do think it's full retard or intentional to mispronounce it, no question. You don't understand why another human being thinks its funny when another tough guy is being tough on the internet? Well, I invite you to the club. Otherwise, I do Tai Chi, and thanks goodness at a pragmatic school. Granted, there aren't many in the world, and I do believe that 90% (or even more) of the stuff we see here in UA-cam for example are BS. AM however does authentic, functional Yang style Tai Chi Quan. Since I have been practicing it for some time now, I can see the subtleties to distinguish BS from the real deal, and I can surely say he knows the martial aspects of the art which is mostly not found. But again: if you want to test it, you should put in the work, because a distasteful angry video won't do anything to prove it's point based not even on a little experience, only assumption.
Let me guess, you’re not based in the uk? I have extensive experience in internal martial arts. That’s why I see through this rubbish that can only be reproduced on the well paid or highly gullible. Which are you?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Did you direct this question to me? In that case I'd like to ask you in what styles you have extensive experience and by that (or ragardless), how do you know that what AM does is not authentic? I am not based on the UK, I'd be happy if I was well paid, and about the rest: well I usually rather put the energy into experience something before I create a distasteful youtube video about it, so I guess with all my faults I categorically deny your insult of being gullible. You are quite arrogant on the other hand.
Who the fuck knows until they actually go and do it?
If you turn up on their doorstep, even if it costs you to do it, you'll get an answer one way or the other.
No excuses, just go and get your answer.
If you do get bounced around the room like a ball, you know that your Tai Chi training ain't shit. If you whip their ass, you know their Tai Chi ain't shit.
I swear to God. People just want to make videos these days when the answer is accessible.
Would you pay to attend a no touch knock out seminar? Do you believe in no touch knock outs? You people are so silly.
completely agree gusto.
what i see is materialists whose whole world view is threatened by traditional high level chi skills.
@davidryan7386 there’s nothing traditional about Mizner’s nonsense. Have you found any examples of it working against resistance yet?
you will never see him defending himself in a real fight situation unfortunately.
very skillful to avoid fights in life. ;-)
hilarious that all the MMA junkies want everyone to risk brain damage for their sake. lol. crazy af
so have you gone and pushed hands with him or any of his students ?
No, his U.K. rep was too scared to
I have pushed hands with a legit Yang representative (Frieder Anders). To be fair, I did Kung Fu too, at that time, decades ago. I left Anders because besides the beautiful forms (and poetic names) there was ... let me put it like this ... no convincing chi at work. What I know about relaxation , tension and breathing does not even need to be called chi, and it can be learned in traditional martial arts.
@@guido3771 that is not nei gong. tai chi without nei gong no matter the label is not real tai chi. but exercise health tai chi, at best.
I don't want to offend you, but after watching one of your videos where you demonstrate the application of one of the Taiji moves, I think you'd better pay attention to your personal deepening in Taiji Quan (where you are obviously at (quite a superficial level, judging by the way your body moves) than trying to make yourself interesting on the internet by challenging people who are way ahead in their skills on the subject. And, by the way, it would be really good for you personally to meet Adam and feel which one of you is real and which one thinks that he knows and can do something. A brutal encounter with reality is sometimes very helpful, especially to release arrogant ignorance. I wish you that your desire to meet Adam (whose last name is difficult for you to pronounce, obviously trying to make fun of him, which also speaks volumes for your level of inner practices) is fulfilled face to face as soon as possible. And I would love to see the result. Nice day. :)
Thank you I don't know enough about tai chi to talk but I can tell you
I've signed up for Mizners online course and it's not an easy road. Just to zealously do the warm ups and the standing every day takes about 40 min he recommended you do this before each session
Anyone who know anything about neigong and standing practice knows that after the years pile.on the power explodes through the roof
The reason most don't achieve the results is because they don't put the time in
This guy needs to put in the work
My hsing i.and bagua level.is internal and I know some of this stuff is workable I can do most of it on a small level.
But my ability has and is always been connected to my standing and neigong practice
I agree. I’ve personally pushed with one of Mizner’s students, and his skills were excellent. I’ve also experienced the type of skills Mizner demonstrates first hand from other practitioners. It’s easier to mock the skills of others than to do the difficult internal work required to achieve these results yourself.
I’m sorry you’ve fallen for mizners magic. Real fighting (and physics) doesn’t look like that.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalmaSorry my friend, but the more you comment, the more you prove that you are far from really understanding Taiji Quan and its depth. Regarding the actual physics and what it looks like, you obviously don't even know that when doing inner styles, the human body changes and starts to work under slightly different laws, which are not magic, just different. If you don't understand it, then you haven't experienced it, if you haven't experienced it, then your studies with Taji Quan have taught you nothing. I would advise you to find someone who can show you the way in depth. Adam is a good fit, but you'll have to meet him face to face. To be saved from your doubts in the best way - through personal experience. And you don't need to explain what real combat looks like - I have enough experience on the subject. And, really, instead of trolling the internet, go find some of the people you challenge and give them a try. After all, you're the one who needs to prove something to yourself, not them. So you're on your way. They weren't looking for you (I'm guessing they don't even know you exist), and you're hardly the first person to advertise on the Internet behind their back. Be brave and go in person. :)
@@fudomyoomina I’m sorry but the more you comment the more you show that you haven’t listened to any of my videos. It’s not surprising that you have a lot of claims with no content to back it up. Are you U.K. based?
This is now my standard reply to anyone who comments on things already addressed in my other videos ua-cam.com/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/v-deo.html
Stumbled on this. I think you have a valid approach, similar to mine in the Aiki world, I just don’t explicitly call out folks, but to each his own. I have trained very rigorous grappling for several decades but feel that I’m missing an internal component and am researching different lineages in the Aiki world. I am extremely confident in my ability to yield and redirect pressure against strong BJJ opponents, using principles from judo, Daito Ryu, aikido, and tai chi. However, there are some lineages of Daito Ryu where the videos look so fake, and the training partners fall/dive in what seems like the opposite direction of where physics says they should go. I don’t buy it…but I’m willing to find those who practice and test their abilities. Like you, I’m assuming I’ll walk away un-enlightened, but on the other hand I’ll hit the holy grail if I’m wrong 😂
They won’t let you because they are cowards. Just like you 🤦♀️
@@eo8334 yes I have identified a few practitioners whom I have had good dialogue and I plan to visit this year. My hopes are that there is an underlying principle that I will capture and add to my Jiu-jitsu practice, but I’m also willing to spend the energy and not be fulfilled…just to find out.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma everybody can enter the class, me also. your right abouth that i can enter also
@@eo8334 this doesn’t make sense. Please try again
There is no such thing as " internal" its just a deceptive marketing gimmick.
High level against a low level or no level combines with passive resistant and compliant person is what we see here, would love to see a push with an active resistant and non-compliant push hand trained outside person to determine the legitimacy
Not true. Bodies, no matter how inexperienced they are, don’t move like that.
If I’m wrong I eagerly await being corrected
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma I use the word "compliant", didn't want to be rude, you are correct with staged jumping moves, not disagree with you
@@kwaishiu6460 sorry, I totally read your comment wrong. I’d like to see them doing that on me whilst I’m being compliant. I wouldn’t even have to resist. People have to add those hops and face plants
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Have you tried launching yourself backward where your feet start flat on the ground and you are not crouching but standing straight to begin with? You obviously know nothing about how the human body works, though you pretend to be expert in your observational and analytical skills.
A guy I know, a former push hands champion, was tested in just that way and he described it to me. He was not "compliant" but ended up being somewhat at the mercy of said sifu. Yes, that's "second-hand," but this source is as credible as anyone I've ever met. And I've experienced similar effects from higher level Tai Chi push hands people I've worked with.
Why don't you just go to them rather than hoping they will see this video and bother to respond. You'll probably get the chance to push hands or similar in any lesson. In the 80's I went along to master Chu and was repelled many feet after pushing him. The harder you push the further you get bounced away. Because it isn't what you think the reality is, when it happens it's hilarious.
You may want to watch my videos. I’ve commented on videos and emailed the U.K. representative of Mizner. I’m not going to drive halfway across the country to be turned away by cowards.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma sounds like chicken talk if ever I heard it. Go there and see, instead of making up excuses already. The crowds will welcome you.
@@markdonovan1540 it is chicken talk. The people I have challenged are indeed chickens. If you think they’re too scared to reply online but would then suddenly find the courage in person that they have so far lacked, then you’re probably the type of person to waste 37 years training in a system that doesn’t work. Oh wait…
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma good luck with your personal vendetta
@@markdonovan1540 good luck with discovering the truth. I hope one day that you are able to open your eyes
I saw an actual, live, no touch knockout. Yep, sure did. I was in a bar, two dudes, one rushes the other who moves out of the way and the rusher goes headlong into a brick wall. Ring the bell, dude was out. My kinda place.
My kind of no touch knock out 😂👍
A real tough guy. Frightening.
There’s nothing tough about my challenge. That’s why the Mizner’s of this world are so pathetic.
@indefenceofthetraditionalma What a troll. Got nothing better to do like work on your self?
I work on myself all the time. Probably why I don’t upload bull💩 videos up on UA-cam. Unlike your heroes 😂
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Pony up and do one of Mizner's workshop. Then and only then should you make comments.
@@PrudentStudent666 would you pay to attend a George Dillman seminar?
It's not my style to express opinions on the internet.
But since you seem to have enough time to upload viedeos and comment in a repetitive way, make it easier for all of us. Get on a plane, pack your camera and get bounced up a bit. We'll film that and afterwards it will be published on your channel.
Everything else is wasted time.
Always very funny how much lifetime people spend with such things to generate only a ridiculous number of clicks.
A lot of opinion, no access, little selection ability.
But a keyboard and internet access.
Bravo 🤣
But the main thing is to talk about morning practice down by the river 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly my humor, thanks for the exhilaration 🥰
I mean, win or lose, it would look like a fight which is a win for me. There would be no making me jump by touching me 🤦😂 You guys are always so eager in other countries yet here in the uk you’re all so quiet. Funny that….
Only way to know is for you or someone you know to actually go spar or do push hand with him to find out.... like Seraph said in the movie, Matrix Reloaded, "You do not truly know someone until you fight them..."
Exactly. Just such a shame they aren’t confident enough to ua-cam.com/video/xrtGqe47-Vs/v-deo.htmlsi=NdjadT9DRWNjmX8o
Be careful, the student might bring a jalapeno pepper with them😉
😂😂
I would like just to push hands (not fight) with some of these guys too.
It is the only way to really know if this is bullshit or not.
I understand your point of view.
But we are not the only 2 persons in the whole martial arts world who whish to do that. If they accept every challenge of this type, then they would spend lots of time doing that, and they earn money with this, i mean: the only way is to pay and to assist to one of their workshops. And i think that is ok.
I will do that someday.
That’s not true. It would be easy to accept challenges. I don’t even need to push hands with them. I just want them to demonstrate on me the way they do with their students.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma , yes. You are right ...
this is the right attitude, go meet him.
Adam mazner came to Boston once I didn't get a chance to take the class My srfu didn't say that he was fake he just said that all of his students had more power My teacher was third generation to Master Yang and I've been around fung ha too who was a student of Yang son in Hong Kong
When was this?
Someone had to do it, but you're not the first. Anyway, from my experience in Judo (in the 70s), Kung Fu (in the 80s and 90s) and Taiji (since the 90s); I would say that from a video it's almost impossible to judge what is real and what is fake. In addition, what is real can appear fake and what is fake can appear real. The only way to know is to experience it for oneself.
Aside from any real fighting application, which seems to be the only concern of "the fighters" out there, traditional martial arts offer a wider learning experience which should extend to enhance and transform someone's life.
When one talks about fake, there is a whole media storm of fake, but this doesn't mean that everything that may appear to be fake is fake. The only way is to feel it for real.
Having said all that, it must be taken into account that in most Taiji classes and workshops, there will always be a certain amount of complicitness between student and teacher, otherwise things could very quickly get out of hand and people will get hurt, often badly, usually the so-called "student". I have enough experience to know, that it would not be of any use to challenge or test someone like Adam. If it's not of any interest to you, or you doubt its authenticity, then you're free to decide what else you would prefer to study and practise. For the people that are interested, they will go and find out for themselves. There are plenty of examples of good and bad teachers of everything, but that doesn't mean they are good or bad at what they do. Some are good at teaching, yet lack some ability. Some have lots of ability but are not so good at sharing or communicating and transferring that ability to students.
Keep an open mind, without being gullible nor judgemental.
That was an awful lot of writing to say so little. I’ll address the very few points you brought up.
It’s quite clearly fake. There’s no ‘appearance’. You can’t change physics.
Being ‘complicit’ and hopping around like an imbecile are two entirely different things.
If you are pushing hands gently then there is no danger of anything ‘getting out of hand’.
I would love to believe in magic. As I’ve said in every video on this, I’m more than willing to be as relaxed and gentle as they want me. I want to feel this magic.
It will all be filmed and would be a fantastic opportunity for these teachers to open up their art to more than just the gullible
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma be that as it may, I didn't mention anything about magic. That's a term you are using.
I did write too much, so I apologise for that. I do try to explain my point of view rather than just state it.
You make some valid points and you are entitled to your opinion. Perhaps you might want to attend one of his workshops and see for yourself. It's unlikely that he, or anyone, would necessarily open up about what they do. Of the few genuine masters who I have known, they keep to themselves and focus on their own school and their own students. As a consequence of the internet and social media platforms like UA-cam, we can now see a small part of what some people teach and practise, but it's a very small part.
I understand you, and others, may think it's all fake and seek to prove it. Of course, you are welcome to try that approach, so good luck to you.
Personally, I believe we can all learn far more by focusing on our own practice and not care much about what others do. It sounds like you're intrigued, even obsessed possibly, with what Adam is up to. That in itself must be a distraction for you, as are my long replies...
I'm a nobody here, so no need to take seriously anything that I say. I don't, so I wouldn't expect anyone else to.
@@markdonovan1540 you may have not written the word magic but that best describes what you’re talking about. These guys are frauds, and if you consider yourself one of them then you’re a fraud too. Either put your money where your mouth is or sit down and stop writing articles when two lines would be adequate.
I’ll gladly travel to these bozos, I’ve said it in my videos. If you actually watched them you’d know that.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma you need to relax and chill a bit. If you want to go and test someone, just get on with it and post your victory video here later. Your ego will no doubt love you for it.
@@markdonovan1540 I’m fully relaxed. I’m not the one crying on someone else’s page because they wasted their life training a system that requires magic to work 😁
I’ll gladly take any challenge. Your heroes just aren’t up for it though
One broader comment seems important to make here. You seem to be claiming (in replies, not in your video) you have some background in Tai Chi Chuan and even compliment some people who have trained in such practice in Tai Chi, Bagua or XingYi--the three main "internal arts". Yet you haven't made clear your background and whether you know the difference between the body mechanics within a defensive system like Tai Chi and the internal power aspects that are built over time using Neigong, Chigong and other training systems in addition to extensive push hands and free form sparring. If you don't know what it feels like to engage with someone who has such internal power, then you haven't progressed very far. I was trained in Tai Chi Chuan forms, some Chigong and very little push hands until years later. I know very well that internal power looks fake to most people who have not actually felt it with someone who is capable. But there''s a big difference between healthy skepticism and degrading the practitioners whom you foolishly label fakers without having any relevant experience. That's a sign of both ignorance and disrespect.
The only way you can claim I haven’t made it clear is if you haven’t watched my videos. I’m actually embarrassed on your behalf for this one 😬
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma (yawn) In other words, I have to watch every one of your tedious, wrongheaded and often trolling videos to get some basic info about why you're so superior that I should take your commentaries as worthy of respect. I posted a legitimate set of questions and analyses, and you failed to address a single one. Pitiful. But typical.
@@surfwriter8461 ua-cam.com/users/shortsh9HRVOlv_EM?feature=share
For the record I have nothing against you personally and I think you have the right to investigate test and even respectfully challenge. The problem I see as a martial artist with 37 years experience, is that you encourage the disrespect of traditional training. The man you are speaking about is 7th generation, that means something, and if you feel it’s bull shit then why do you even practice traditional Kung fu? Someone has to attain the levels we dream of and when we find one we should train how they train. So we too can reach those heights this in my opinion is the healthy wise and upright way to pursue your training and pursuit of truth, I fear for those that follow you and develop a disdain for all things mysterious and and a lack of respect for people who put real time In
Imagine practicing for 37 years and in that time not even mastering the basics of how bodies react to force 👀
I have seen and tried sensivity exercises even much stranger than these. They work but I wouldn't use them in the fight. I would use the principles behind these exercises.
You can make people jump by touching them?
You have to WANT to fly around or hop about... Then the techniques work like.... Hypnosis!
I have actually had one of his very senior students try to take my balance. His name is duran mack in london. It wasnt proper push hands. But literally nothing happened. He couldnt move me. It looked nothing like the videos online.
Thank you for this 🙏🏻
@@kenmcrae8591 if he’s legit then his students will be able to make me hop and face plant by touching me gently on camera, then, surely?
@@kenmcrae8591 is it interesting?
@@kenmcrae8591 are you U.K. based?
@@kenmcrae8591 you can make inexperienced people hop for no reason?
I occasionaly come back here to see ig anything changed...aand ofcourse nope
😂😂😂
Yeah,I mean these guys seem to be great at performing demonstrations.But demonstrations are just that...not a true "test under real pressure" if you will.Even if you do a demonstration of a predesigned "technique" with a UFC fighter,it's still only a demonstration.
In other words,these guys have done these types of demonstrations many times with a predetermined or expected outcome.Meaning that it doesn't matter much who they are performing the demonstration with.The outcome will be similar...based on human structure and biomechanics.
So,yeah,if asked to fight or even spar,it would change the whole outcome.
One example is Rokas from Martial Arts Journey.Just watch his sparring video of him trying his Aikido vs an MMA guy and look at the result.(Btw,he later switched from Aikido to MMA).
I find it a weird attitude to challenge random people and expect them to come to you, since part of the philosophy of taiji is precisely not seek ego-driven competition. There are several hme workshops every year, where you can go, learn and judge by yourself. If you accuse someone to be a fraud, you have the responsability to put in the effort, energy and money to prove it. And please, "Mizner" is not that hard to pronounce. Come on, let's keep our dignity here...
I find it weird when people comment on videos they clearly haven’t watched. I made this response for people like you ua-cam.com/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/v-deo.html
He's a fraud. Anyone who has the ability to utilize critical thinking can deduce this.
There's no magical force that can bounce people around like an 80's arcade game. Anyone who believes this garbage needs help.
You'll have a better chance of seeing Bigfoot fighting Darth Vader in the Thunder Dome with the Hulk and Doctor Doom ready to tag in . Grow up.
not so weird. he's just a keyboard warrior, safe behind his screen. he won't go to anybody's door to actually challenge them, but will record videos, almost requesting them to come and challenge him. imagine it worked like that in the ancient times. "I challenge Xu Yiang Wu Gong! His skills are useless! I demand him to come to my school to fight me to prove his skills! If he doesn't come he loses the challenge" Clown world.
@infinityminuszero weird that you’d lie about me. Your heroes are cowards and you are just another faceless coward. Who’s the clown? 🤡 ua-cam.com/video/xrtGqe47-Vs/v-deo.htmlsi=GqmKtV0uh_bW8QS4
Bit confused why you don't just pop along to a class.
Because then it would just be my word against theirs’s
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma WTH does that mean?
@@williamsmith8790 pretty easy to understand
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma If you are so offended by this guy, then YOU should go “touch hands” with him. Hong Kong rooftop style. Video it, and post it for all of us to see you chastise this fraud and scoundrel….
@@williamsmith8790 fighting wouldn’t prove what I want to prove. Plus it’s illegal. I made this video for people unable to understand this one ua-cam.com/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/v-deo.html
Do you believe that mizner could have no efect in ufc champions like Lyoto Manchida, Fabricio Werdum or World strongst man competition Champion?
Depends how much money you pay them ua-cam.com/users/shortsJQ6lfusV7hU?feature=share
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Lol nothing will change your mind
@@puredrifteam lol, find someone to accept my challenge. It’s that easy
I absolutely believe Ms. Zner could have an effect in UFC IF he entered the ring. That effect would be a new rule disallowing opponents who poop stain their briefs upon first contact with a real fighter from entering the ring.
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I haven't got a horse in this race so I am not attacking or defending anyone. But it pisses me off when I see this sort of video or comment about anyone.
So the question i ask is 'Sorry, but who are you?'
People make these comments and challenges as if they are some kind of authority that whoever it is must come running and prove themselves to.
If you or whoever is really that interested, go to a seminar of mizners or go to one of his students classes.
Simple as that!
I have no horse in this race but comments like yours really piss me off. Imagine not understanding a subject and then commenting on it. It’s baffling.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma When I say ''I have no horse in this race' ,, i mean that i don't care about you or mizner one way or another.
Other than that, you have no idea what I know or don't know so stop making silly assumptions.
If you really want to challenge him/them, go there and do it. They are not the ones wanting to prove a point. You are.
Why is it that you don’t seem to listen to what I’m saying? That’s the whole point, I will travel to them. Here’s what happens when you try to organise such a meeting ua-cam.com/video/xrtGqe47-Vs/v-deo.htmlsi=PioT1RKeiiJ40ygI
I used to believe in some of his stuff back when I first discovered it but it became more and more outrageous. He seems to be a regular in the Martial Man events. What baffles me is how can a guy who has a background in Muay Thai and several other systems fall for this kind of bs. Unless of course he's just playing his part for the suscriptions. I'm referring to the guy who runs martial man.
I’ve seen the martial man engage with a lot of this nonsense too though. I honestly think it’s just a marketing ploy
$$$$$$$
Yes indeed - how can a former Muay Thai practitioner do that? Even the representative of "Shaolin Temple Europe", Shi Heng Yi, who is in these shots, has apparently somehow fallen under the spell. How? They must both be part of the scam, huh? No matter what the Buddha says? Or is there another explanation? Or, after all, things are real, huh? And maybe there is something there... :) ua-cam.com/video/xCN1Iaj2Ryc/v-deo.html
@@fudomyoomina Simple. $$$$$ paid off. Minzners a fraud.
@@fudomyoomina Yes, you see, no one there is trying to pressure test anything. They're doing some very relaxed tuishou, trying to get to peng. They're there to learn from Adam Mizner, and they paid a lot to be there. I'd like to see Mizner against someone who's actually opposing him. I'm not saying get him in the cage or some bs. Just get him to prove his skill against a skilled opponent.
There's no way of contacting you.
What is your name and where are you based?
You can contact me here. What would you like to arrange?
Even if you hate a person you should at least give others the respect of getting their name correct.
Why?
For your own self-respect in appearing intelligent, for one. If you can't even speak the words correctly on the topics that you are presenting you don't look well informed at all. It is also a basic courtesy, and not extending that form of humanity makes you appear uncouth. Lastly it just makes you appear reckless, unknowledgeable, and interested in stirring up trouble for no good reason. It is a direct slight to the opposing party to not address their name correctly. You simply come across as a disrespectful person uninterested in taking the time to actually learn about the matters he is speaking on, hence presenting uninformed opinions and insulting everyone's intelligence with this video.@@indefenceofthetraditionalma
I stopped reading after ‘for your own self respect in appearing intelligent’ as you’d have to be a complete idiot not to know what I was doing
I cannot understand people believe this. I do believe in qi, but not applied this way.
so you do not belive the stories of the masters ? or BK frantzis saying his 4th gen yang teacher had Lu so strong his arms were magnetic. TT Liang says cheng man ching had same. They are lying?
I do not think you 'trad martial artists" undertstand how nei gong creates nei jing. I jhave had 4 teachers show me and when I needed it in a fight against a crowbar and knife weilding duo it was there. I have not trained 1/10 as consitently as damo or adam surely have. but i did what i could over 25 years at that point.
I think it highly likely adam is 100% legit when you look at his system, teachers/systems, damo's testimony, the facgt NOBODY has touched hands with him and dissed him, i sense a lot of lo chi no nei gong butt hurt.
Humility is a dish best served with chi
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I have offered this guy to come and train and with me so he can experience real Chinese martial arts and understand what he is seeing. I've nothing to do with Adam, but I can see his skill is genuine just from the structure alone: as anybody who has learned real Chinese Martial arts should know. I have offered this guy to come and learn this Saturday from me and/or have a friendly exchange of ideas: I normally charge £20 for lesson, however, if he is interested so much in this then I'm willing to do it for a free: so he can respond here and tell me whether or not he wants to actually experience real CMA or not and try to understand what the fuck structure is: what balance is, etc because he clearly does have an interest in CMA and is on the wrong track currently with these bizare tirades against people who are doing genuine CMA.
You chickened out of meeting me and now you’re commenting on my videos in a poor attempt to save face. You are everything that is bad in traditional martial arts. Go back to stroking your cardboard box…
And where did you learn "real Chinese martial arts"? And you can see his skill is genuine just from looking at his structure? Amazing.
Go and check out his videos 😬
Did you get any response from his students ?
Got a response from his U.K. rep but wasn’t very positive ua-cam.com/video/xrtGqe47-Vs/v-deo.htmlsi=HFQeMF5gUC9YBnJS
Have you personally spent any time with Adam? if not, why bother with clips like this? It seems odd you would invite his students to prove the legitimacy of his approach yet not go directly to the source, yourself... that is a clip I would be 100% ready to sink my teeth into (for the record, I'm not a fan boy of any martial art, I'm just curious about first hand experiences with those who are being criticized for their method of training)
I don’t need to spend time with him to understand that he is promoting nonsense. As for going after his students, I’d love to push hands with the main man, however, he doesn’t touch hands with anyone unless they’ve paid a lot of money, even then, I’ve been told he’ll quickly move on if you don’t play his game
Ah, a sane voice , very good. I am a tai chi teacher and do my best to teach authentic and demystified tai chi, then I come across videos of grifters like this Mitzner fella and I don’t know whether to laugh or cry … or hop around wildly as though Adam Mitzner has pushed me across a room 😅
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Maybe you should watch the Power of Chi movie where he pushes around skilled champion MMA guys, or better still find a teacher who can do this and experience it for yourself. Most Tai Chi is watered down crap compared to this. It is often movement without using the principles.
I've been pushed like this and I can assure you I was not compliant.
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English is not my 1st language, German is. And sorry, to not reply to the written questions only, but I also consider the video a question on its own. All the below are personal experiences. They are of the Yin kind.
Unroot: The hopping mostly is a face giving attitude especially in Asia, in public events, anniversaries; but there also some masters you slap their students on the back head, if they put on this show.
One of my teachers demonstrated the following: taking a person up, throwing a person straight forward, take a person down softly and forcefully. The comment was to take one up is the safest,
because all the force goes in the lifting, the body can expand. The straight is more dangerous because while you are drifting back the head might land 1st on the wall. Taking down softly is like putting a baby in the cradle, taking down forcefully is the most dangerous because the body can escape between hand and floor, bones in the feet might break. In all this methods if done by a master one does not feel any force/pressure entering the body.
The worst another one: hand on the chest, a blow, where one would still stand, but lifting one`s shirt you could see a “print” of the pushers hand.
Once another teacher was going to demonstrate on me, but reconsidered to give some theory to the students. He was on my left side, putting his right hand on my left shoulder, when suddenly I lifted straight up without feeling that coming. The soles of my feet were above his knee. So, while I was floating, he apologized, for having lost control. I came down again without tilt, safely, easily.
So how can that happen? With a hand on my shoulder, he could definitely not push me up so far, and I could never fake that jumping so high, not even, if I went down before to start with?
I did not understand it at all that time, some 20 years ago. But now I can say its within physics, biology, and neurology in non linear behaviour.
So more comments: No touch is always pre touch to display a “false” intention.
I once tossed a guy several meters through the air through the hall, could never repeat that. And exercise was to jump a few meters, and then put the palms on the partners chest without intentionally pushing or shoving. It was late at night , 11hrs training and the body was very exhausted.
To look at Mizner videos gave me a better insight in these and other “strange experiences.
This is to encourage to meet Mizner, if money and time allows it, its worth it.
I met top masters from the Yang, WU, Sun and Chen style who could do this manipulation without an incoming pressure/force is felt beforehand. Good training.
Thank you for your reply, I appreciate the time it must have taken you but fear it was time wasted. If it is possible to reproduce these feats against resisting opponents then we would see it against resisting opponents. We don’t. These teachers would never put themselves in the position of being put into that predicament.
I now have been only doing Adam mizners warm up and 5 stances for a little over 2 months and the other day I did a finger strike (snake hand) someone in the stomach and knocked them into a wall 5 ft away. Granted it was a small guy and I am 200 plus pounds. But still I have never punched someone and knocked them back in such a matter. And I wasn’t even trying to use force. Just speed, because we were fooling around, case in point, it’s not so much that Adam mizner is so special, or even that his students are may or may not be special i postulate that his training modality is spot on, it’s simply the right recipe. Within his warm up are fajjin and body loosening off all the joints, nei gong to help achieve song and ground force path. And 5 standing postures done everyday as he suggest the body cannot help but be transformed, if you stood every day for 35 min coupled with 20 min of body loosening and neigong, I think you would experience energetic a also. I have bee training internals since 1990 and I don’t often come accross a training modality that has me scratching my head as much as mizners did. So once again I suggest you try his warm ups and stances for 10l days and see what you see.
I post a daily live of my mizner training ,on fb if you like I will post one on yt you can learn the warm up try it for 10p days and maybe then you will find more joy perfecting your art then trying to poke holes in a another’s livelihood hood and life’s passion,
where can I get those 5 stances vids? What is your fb thread?
Let’s see the video?
Nothing wrong with your naysaying. I am not a student of his, nor anyone else. I would suggest you make a comment on the movie that he participated in in 2018, 'The Power of Chi', I think it's called. You can rent it for about $5 american. There, he pushes hands with some mma fighters and other athletes who I am sure you would consider real fighters, and other athletes including Brian Shaw, a 425lb massive strongman. There he demonstrates the skill level that can move them, even though they don't wish to be moved. Now... that's now 'fighting', and it's not 'hopping' around. It's however, a very real demonstration of a skill set that the man has worked apparently long and hard to develop. Whether it's of any interest to you and your martial arts is of course another thing. However, the movie is there, and unless you wish to pretend that great mma champions were paid off to pretend to be moved around by him- which other naysayers wanted to insist- former heavywt mma champ fabricio Werdun, former middlewt mma champion Lyoto Machida and another olympic fencer, the aforementioned worlds strongest man, Brian Shaw, and a former linebacker in the US NFL. They all were impressed with his particular skill. What it's worth in the scheme of things is of course up for debate- however, it is rather childish of you to pretend you can't pronounce the guys name. That's just silly.
Oh, first, in the above comment I misspelled 'Now... that's not fighting' , so please note that. Also, appropo your hopping issues. With the massive Brian shaw he most certainly was not making this enormously strong, connected up power lifter hop about, and he and Shaw were discussing things and he mentioned connected up Shaw's strength was, and one could see that making a boulder of a man hop about was not in the cards... but that wasn't the point. A more serious question would be what are those particular skills and what might be their uses. Anyway- I would suggest you review the movie I mentioned and then make your comments based upon that, rather than the particular video here. JMO
You paid $5 to watch that tripe? And you’re not even a student of him or anyone else? Wow, go out and find a teacher. You’ll see what rubbish he’s spouting.
If I go down to my gym and ask one of the pros to let me perform a no touch knock out, will that prove I can do no touch knock outs? It’s on a video it must be true…
@@msgoldberg you’re very defensive of him for someone who isn’t his student.
Perhaps it’s because you don’t train but for those that do, his content online is enough to tell that he is a charlatan
Now that's odd. All I did was ask the question- 'were these real martial artists being bamboozled, or lying to the public about what they were doing with him. But you aren't interested in what those very real martial artists think. That is curious. I raise the point because I think it reflects you have no real interest except to pound your chest. Oh and I'm a lot longer in the tooth than you, and been around the block similarly. I don't particularly care for phony pretenders- and that would include chest pounders like yourself. When I was young, I practiced some things and when I thought this was crap or that was crap I didn't join discussion groups and harange about this or that: I wrote polite letters and showed up at the front door of the people I wished to question. If you were more than a chest pounder, you would likewise go and knock on their doors... not playing toughman here. I don't think your serious. Seriously people go and check thinkgs out for themselves- they don't make braying challenges. Oh and sport, watch the cheapo film for $5 and then go call on Machida and Werdun and ask them what they deal was. Maybe you'll want to go up to their faces and call them liars about what happened. Who knows... anything could happen.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma
@@msgoldberg again, an essay of support for someone you’re not supporting. I refer you to my point about a no touch knock out
Honestly, everyone that defends this fake art, is someone who’s to lazy to actually practise martial arts or combat. They’re basically home taught wanna be king fu gods, who think action movies are real, and they’re the protagonist.
where is your proof it is fake? lol whart person has met him and says he is bs?
@davidryan7386 I’ve talked to people that said they were fooled at first then realised it was nonsense. I suspect most people who see through it leave the classes relatively quickly. I talk about that here ua-cam.com/video/rXei95153rw/v-deo.htmlsi=rxXMLgbtUFR7rgff
Obviously you need to deepen your understanding of what tai chi is. Attending to one of his gathering instead of just talking about it might be interesting couldn’t it?
No, it couldn’t be interesting, in the same way as it wouldn’t be interesting attending a George dillman seminar, because it is pure fantasy.
You need a deeper understanding of body mechanics. Perhaps attend a local mma gym and see how your chi works against real force.
You want to preserve traditionnal martial arts and you want to cause a duel, of course without violence and bla bla bla. Not a good attitude for a real martial artist I think.
Why do you need UA-cam to annouce that, all the adresses of Adam Mizner method courses in UK are easy to find. Just go and test instead of speaking. And please take a video and show it to us
Thank you and good travel above the path of taijiquan
Could you please watch my videos before commenting. The answer to your comment is there. All you are showing is that you either haven’t watched or can’t understand basic English
Such a sad strange insecure rant.
Know what’s sadder? Defending con artists
not directly Adam Mizner, but a tai chi instructor:
How about challenging
Sergio Pascal Iadarola?
( thoug i am not a fan of both alike!)
I just watched some of his videos. I can’t say I’m a fan of what he’s doing or his method of teaching, however, I’ve not seen any ridiculous claims or feats. Have you got any links?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma
he was once at the martial camp organized from Kieren - martial man, i do not know which year however and that was a terrible demo showing all his macho behavior!
He is one of those teachers that is overly aggressive to the compliant students that he is demonstrating on. Maybe I’ll do a video on that kind of teaching
Just curious...do you do standing practice along with your Tai Chi? Or just study the forms and "application" ?
I have done standing practices in the past. Very early on in my journey. There’s some standing exercises in the nei gong exercises I do and I find that kind of training more beneficial to me, personally
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma interesting, thank you for sharing.
The real part of the art is the stillness it is the standing The form is just toolbox while I'm happy somebody taught you right it's nice to know somebody else knows these things it's rare what's standing practice do you do I do horse pong and I break down the movements out of grasper its tail and hold them then you pick your favorite move and use that in standing
@noway4875 how is that the real part of the art? What makes it so?
lol you can't just make a video demanding anyone to come and demonstrate their skills to you. If you want to know then go and find them and join one of their classes.
It’s so sad that you took the time to comment on a video you clearly didn’t watch. I made this as a standard response to you people ua-cam.com/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/v-deo.html
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma sadly i did watch your silly video. i'm not about to watch another one thanks
@@ldmdesign5610 oh, so it’s just a lack of comprehension you suffer from. Not surprising if you believe someone can make you jump by touching you…
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma good luck with your searching! I hope you find what you are looking for
@@ldmdesign5610 no you don’t. You came here to insult me with a disingenuous attack on content you either chose to ignore or couldn’t comprehend. You’re a gullible person sticking up for con artists too scared to stick up for themselves
Why don't you actually train with Adam before making challenges?
Would you train with a no touch knock out teacher?
ask Sheng heng yi. curious if it he would say anything. i have seen a video with him and mizner in it
He’s supposedly quiet when it comes to his association to people like mizner and the martial man. Do you feel like sheng hang yi is an authority? From what I’ve found, he seems more like a guy who cultivated celebrity status above actual qualifications.
Push hands is skill dependent your opponent can fly around if you are much better. The opposite if your skills are much worse or If equal you will both struggle.
You can throw anyone around. What you can’t do is make someone hop when you’re pushing them backwards. You can’t make someone face plant by pushing them backwards or pulling them forwards. People don’t move like that in general, let alone anyone that actually trains
Great, I want to see this. Also try Master John Ding Yang style master his supposed to be fantastic but I haven’t seen dozens of top fighters/ instructors coming out of his clubs that have been running for decades. Is it that these masters choose not to teach or just can’t teach students real skills?
Go and meet him and try for yourself. That is always the best way to test what you think.
I have had certain people question what I do after 52 years of Wing Chun and 18 years of Yang Tai Chi. I always invite them to come and have a coffee and a chat and we can explore what I do and then they can make their mind up.
If I can’t film it then there’s no point. Do you actually believe he can make people jump the way that he does? Can you replicate these feats? Would you be willing to do so on camera?
I did reach out to HME London but was met with excuses and then had my video reported when I followed up.
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@indefenceofthetraditionalma I know it's possible. I have seen much of this in my travels in China.
As far as Mizner is concerned I have known about him fir years and know he knows what he's talking about. However, in more recent years he seems to be showing stuff that defies physics! But there again, who am I to judge unless I go to see him and experience it myself.
@@clivepotter2511 do you believe in what George Dillman does?
Reading through some of the comments, I just want to say, Thank You for doing your part to keep things real. The principles of Tai Chi (and other martial art forms) are quite fascinating and surprisingly powerful, without resorting to fakery and cult-like beliefs.
Absolutely 🙏🏻
What was your name?
What’s yours?
And when he was being balancing in a semi Lotus posture on his killbone tilted back, so they only sort of tailbone is making contact with anything other than a year and he’s doing that by sitting on a narrow brick fence wall. How come you couldn’t be pushed over? Because I would surely like that answer I prefer you know I went and read my new book searching for answers to Dad and I’m not defending anyone like I’m some sort of fan. I’m sincerely looking for that answer.
I can see English isn’t your first language. You may want to try this one again.
I unno man. You own a funko pop. Kinda makes you look like the fraud
I don’t own a fungo pop. I own several. Kinda doesn’t say anything. Are you possibly the first uk based tai chi practitioner willing to replicate this nonsense on camera or just another keyboard warrior?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma i am the one true tai chi master
Doubtful
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma you must clear your mind of all doubt 🙏 only then can you begin to master tai chi
@@benjaminyoung9694 sounds like the talk of someone not confident enough to back up their claims to me
I'd far rather see them try to actually wrestle against someone.
They’ll never do that though 😂
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma The reason I said it is as you know, there is push hands (paddy cake) and then there are PUSHANDS, IE, people who will throw your ass. A few people, they play push hands it can get very rough. That's close enough to wrestling/Judo/Shaio Jaio as to not make a ton of difference when someone hits the ground. That's what I'd like to see.
@@rodgerbane3825 I took part in some pushing hands tournaments back in the day. I know exactly what you mean
There’s a video on his channel of his student wrestling someone
@@Jay-zy5dt Sure there is.
We are all waiting to see you show Adam what's up. I mean nobody ever thought of that. All these guys just want to get pushed around because they aren't as quick as you mate. Take some video because we are waiting to see your great expertise lol.
What guys? Do you mean his students or the people paid to be in videos? The only footage I’ve seen of him pushing with people resisting showed him to have average skill at best. I’d love to take video footage of an encounter. Judging by his uk representative, who made excuses as to why he wouldn’t be able to participate in a video, I’m guessing that this will never happen. They’ll just stick to the highly paid or extremely gullible. Which are you?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Genius just take a class and expose him. You can be the first! Nobody else has thought of this. All his students are idiots. You can show the world. Expose his trickery once and for all.
@@williamdelong8265 they don’t allow cameras in classes. I already asked….so which are you, paid or gullible?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Let's forget this guy for a moment. I know you saw UA-cam Chen Tai Chi vs Greco Roman Wrestler. 50 yr old 120lb.guy throws a young 240lb guy like a rag doll. Chen would gladly throw you around like a rag doll. You are a big fish in a very small pond.
@@williamdelong8265 so that’s a win for me then 😁
Foolishly, I will comment before watching your video: I don’t know what you’re going to point out and Meissner‘s techniques for filming of his techniques but his sticky hands is a dimension beyond what I thought it could be, but makes perfect sense when seeing it seems impossible, but in some cases seeing Almost can’t be believing the fact it is sticky hands perfectly punished with the name sticky hands also is a hint to me since I focus a lot of time, studying puns and abstract communication techniques across the languages. It just seems that he stumbled into or developed something along the way he wasn’t chasing that really anything he advertises or mentions that it actually refers to that art is sticking it all it’s just something I’m used on it kind of signal to me that there’s something there
I stopped reading after you pointed out you were commenting without watching. Please respond to my content and not your assumptions 🙏🏻
U need to read your own nonsensical comment. If it matters
If something is there why does he not show that in a typical martial way against others who have at least basic skills? 🤔😱🤪😆☯️
Almost a year later...Well? Any action?
Nevermind, I see the update.
Yeah, had a lot of talk but none ever follows up
Instead of ha vng made this vid, you could made the vid of actually pushing hands with some of his top students.
Yes, I should. Unfortunately none of his top students are willing to do that on camera
@@indefenceofthetraditionalmatoo bad, I personally looked into this internal stuff for a long time till I decided to go to a 4 day workshop to another internal stuffs master. Mind you I have 0,01% martial arts background. Just a taiji online course. All I can say, it works. The practise has to be dilligent and dedicated. The teacher, but even half assed should give results within 5 years. For me it isn't about the martial arts, for me it is just learning that there is a 180degree different approach to life than the way that we are programmed as living beings to approach life. It is more of a thing about perception and truly seeing what it is that we really are. It is not for everyone and not everone is ready for this approach to begin with. I can only tell you that I had so really interesting results in that 4 day seminar. It is a subtle art, and the increments to succesful application are miniscule steps.
This internal stuff is not for fighting. It more about being concerned with being released, harmonized and maintaining an inner state.
@@briansprock2248 I can tell you don’t have much experience with the internal arts. It’s why you don’t understand that it’s all about fighting.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Seeing life for what it really is and skillfully dealing with it is mostly an internal fight. Balancing and rebalancing. So for me it doesn't matter what martial art a person does, but when the life philosophy of stopping fighting isn't in it, it isn't the right fight.
There is allot of deeper subconscious layer stuff that comes up through the internal and the letting go, instead of reacting to the animal mind (fight or flight). Look, I mostly only know these things well in theory, but I would love to be able to anchor myself into the deeper layers of stillness (peace).Sometimes I absolutely suck at this part, but that is a whole long personal story of who I am and possibly why I am the way I am.
Either way, internal practice does some things to our insight into ourselves that our forward geared minds and being (body/mind) and outward focused martial arts hardly touch upon. There are some people that achieved internal skills through outward focused MA's,
So yes, the peeling back of of our layered perception and release is why I am motivated. The neigong/meditative parts and the spin off parts like hua na and fa are merely side effects if you ask me.
@@briansprock2248 it’s great what you get out of tai chi. That doesn’t change the fact that tai chi is a martial art.
Better you join some workshop instead.....much easier
Would you pay to attend a no touch knock out workshop?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma You are just a provocateur, you don't really want to learn something you don't know yet.
@@anamdainti193 that’s not an answer…
Start a GoFund-or better yet, put some money behind your mouth and pay for yourself-sign up for his organization, get into a seminar, ask for push hands…. Have someone there to film everything. If it doesn’t work, show it on film. If his students won’t let you get near him, film that. If he puts you on your ass, be unlike EVERY “keystroke warrior” in the world and show some integrity. Show this world that Honor is sacred and Truth means something.
Having been thrown by Hiroshi Ikeda and the late Kevin Choate, I already know the answer you’ll get. God Bless, brother. 🙏🏾
Did they touch you and make you jump?
Would you pay to attend a no touch knock out seminar with George dillman?
I already offered to go to a class and was told I couldn’t film.
For other faq’s about my challenge ua-cam.com/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/v-deo.html
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma No, Kevin threw me with my resisting with practically no effort. Ikeda-shihan gave me a kokyunage throw that completely swept me. Some of those “jumps” are a response to catching up to the energy that took their centers-or we’re all a part of a grand conspiracy.
I have no idea who George Dillman is, so I am not equipped to answer that question. I have no problem at all admitting to what I do not know or what I might not know. That’s what leaves room for growth.
Here’s a wacky idea, but just hear me out-maybe breath slow and count to 5 before dismissing it as a completely ridiculous notion. Here goes….how about-deep breath-going to the class anyway, even though you cannot film! I know, I know! That would require having an open mind, right? Crazy!! What great warrior-Alexander the Great, Hannibal, Fred Shuttlesworth, Malala Yousafshai-ever had an open mind?!! I’m sorry, forget I suggested it. DON’T go!!
That would be cowardly.
So he threw you? I have no issue with people throwing people. Here’s an idea, watch my content before commenting 😬🤦♀️
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma You are right.
Check out the video he's got with The Martial Man. Not one of his students, does the same to him.
Yeah, you’re gonna have to do a LOT better than the martial man as a reference ua-cam.com/video/45_72L8P1zY/v-deo.html
why not seek him out and play get rid of the bs
I’d love to. The problem comes down to the fact I’d be wasting my time or breaking the law. The days of kick school are far behind us
That Fudo guy ... Hmm, so active on my channel, too, but finally I called him a coward, too, as he got more and more ad personam, and had to block him. Could it be Mizner himself, or Damo Mitchell whom he also recommended? Anyway. I once learned with Frieder Anders, and I was not impressed because I did Kung Fu at the same time. Anders, obviously a legit 6th generation heir in the Yang tradition, demonstrates a couple of similar things on UA-cam. He must be almost 80 years now and made a career out of it. Of course I never saw him doing stuff like Mizner, having a friend twisting his thigh and sending chi there etc., s.th. that anyone could rebut on the spot if he is not in his pocket. Mizner is more like the dumb version of Anders who at least knew his place. His assistants are like bad actors. Everything they demonstrate can be done more effectively in good Kung Fu and the like, healthwise, defensewise, and even spiritually when you combine it with simple meditation and breathing exercises.
I believe tai chi is kung fu. Like all kung fu styles, there are strengths and weaknesses.
It’s the people that are attracted to tai chi that seem to be the real problem. Decades of Kung fu films and anime’s have taken their toll. These people don’t want to put in hard work. They want an easy ‘magical’ system.
Oh, the "defender of Buddhist ethics" and "studied under the world champions of Zen Buddhism", I knew you'd come here to complain. But you are clever - how did you manage to expose me! Yes, I'm Adam Mizner, personally, and I go undercover on various UA-cam channels where I get spit on and spoil the haters with my comments! :) The very fact that you allowed such trash into your "Buddhist mind taught by the best" speaks volumes. I don't know when you called me a coward, but I think you're a coward because you live in the same town in Thailand as Mizner and you haven't gone to see if he's fake yet. You probably don't have time because you have to come up with more and more ways to spit on Shi Heng Yi. I don't know who is funnier, you or the young man on this channel. But surely both of you are dying to meet Mizner live (that is, me, undercover) Or am I Damo Mitchell? You are the second stand-up comedian to appear on this channel :)
To assume that you can get the same quality or the same experience a testing one of his students is completely erroneous I mean Adam from what I remember hearing him say on, and this is just what he said, but similar reviews yeah, he had done the equivalent of a vision, quest, or some thing because of my words And just went into the witch. How do you know if that’s how Buddha head ended up where he ended up in the mind by just giving up going in which was ritual suicide they were so sick and dangerous and you starve in this eventually stem on a mushroom in the new kill you were perhaps get a stimulus that sort of psychedelic awakening order Situation to reach when to introspection the point though is he spent like mini mini years immersed in the which in a book or a few meditating, and gives most of the credit and his development to meditation, which is a hallmark of those who begin to really excel, and whether it be closest thing to that is a sort of fast tracking to high quality would be what we see in them, but they called him well Asperger‘s or little Professor syndrome, or whatever it be phenomena is faking to many people nowadays over specialization due to being hyper interested in the subject and having all of the information available That type of emergent comes from complete interest and then imagine that mixed with complete interest in the nose thing the great spirit, the uncreated, so it’s not eligible to die or be destroyed. The thing that’s intimate, immediate with everything that is created the virgin mother of the world, virgin, because it hasn’t happened. It isn’t even something that exists yet it burst the whole universe And each within it the great Universal mind is this way when people die often and come back there or even when people get hit trauma and come back, they often come back with unusual skills. Who knows which or what I don’t even know if there’s skills that are associated with their life’s interest But these are facts you look at Oden died you know hung upside down windswept tree you look at Jesus hung on a different kind of tree did you? Can you look at some of the quotes in an out of the Bible? They refer to Jesus saying he’s back, surprised and happy they’re like oh really really yeah but he’s different, he brought something back with him”
See?
Is mizner a rubbish teacher? Why are people paying the man that can’t pass on his skills?
His name is pronounced Mrs. + Ner 😆
Frog in a well.
Not sure I follow
More likely you are Will. Or perhaps you’re a frog living in Mitner’s toilet awaiting his next blessing?😂
@@ManchesterKungFuYou don't even know his name moron. Stupid aren't you? Yes you are! Full of opinions given to you by moron family and friends. Watching television and getting dumber by the day.
Oh okay mizner. The name been popping up on my feed lately.
Here’s the facts.
There are people who are gullible enough to believe when people are using taichi as a grift.
It’s also easy to push or pull around people who are not trained or experienced with real fighting.
I’ve been studying tai chi for over 30 years and in my lineage it’s our mission to dispel and not use tricks or supernatural claims.
I’m alive today because of the practical applications or legit instruction of real taichi in more than one way.
Self defense and medical wise.
But this mizner individual and folks same as him should be called out.
I’m a street tested ring tested work tested been in enough films laced and fully vested certified instructor.
If you’re seeking real kungfu let me know.
are you suggesting two former mma champions and the most accomplished strongman of his generation sold out their word for money?
Have you watched it? Don’t forget the fencing champion…
They haven’t ‘sold their word’. They let a man demonstrate on them for money.
These guys made plenty of money why would they risk their reputation for some chump change
@@towardstar firstly, they haven’t risked their reputation. They appeared in a paid for movie.
Secondly, ever seen the chicken advert that dc did in Japan? DC earned more than those two guys put together.
This argument you’re using makes no sense
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Fighters lives are based on their ability to handle another human being. Tai Chi's reputation is on the lowest rung in the mma community and internal force is considered a scam. Yes they risked their reputation by endorsing it.
I have no idea who DC is, but there was an NBA player in the film as well and they make several times over more than mma fighters do.
@@towardstar if you have no idea who DC is then it’s probably best you don’t speak about mma in any context. Now, as for your argument, you’re still not making one
I got the answer for u...
Ufc fighters u value there opinion
I got the answer for you. UFC pay is so bad they appear on bull💩 documentaries that everyone laughs at
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I have a video "fajin secrets in plain English" please check that out alot of the issues are addressed and explained
I’ll check out the video but I don’t need fajin explaining to me
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma my take is alot different than any of these guys I think everyone needs it explained to get away from the mystical bullshit. But at least you'll be entertained
For anyone else wanting to watch ua-cam.com/video/-PXLtE7oAKQ/v-deo.html
Your audio is very unbalanced! lol.
Yeah, I should put a warning up for people listening with headphones 😂 I’m getting better at it as I go along (I hope)
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma 🤠
Hello, Let me explain videos with Adam & his students. You see the training exercise to feel JIN energy and let the body react. It is just TRAINING, it's not fighting or contact sparring.
Real martial tai chi is practicing on special equipment using real force and using inner energy. If you practice some material arts that approach is not familiar to you. Also, tai chi could be different: you can practice it only for well-being or as a hobby but not as material art. If you want to use it for real fights you should pass other tai chi systems not only pushing hands (dan show, shouan tui shouw)
Why do people have to overreact and why is it presented as if it’s freestyle pushing hands?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma It's a method of developing sensity in pair practices. If you don't feel jin you cannot produce jin.
@@user-si8xh6hk4i you have to feel someone overreacting and present it to viewers as if it’s freestyle pushing hands?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma If you learn tai chi in depth you will open many, not obvious methods.
@@user-si8xh6hk4i even though I have studied tai chi, you don’t need to have to see through that bull💩 All you need is an understanding of body mechanics
I have never been taught by Adam Mizner. There are other people Mark Rasmus is one. I lsometimes practice with my mate in Regents Park near the Band Stand let me know if you are interested
Interested in what exactly?
In some Pung energy. Effort less pushing.
@@VelvetClawOfficial can I film it?
Yeah that would be great
@@VelvetClawOfficial awesome. Email me at brier2002@googlemail.com and we’ll sort something out 🙏🏻
If you want to do it just go to him right?
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So you don't see the film, the power of qi ? 🤔
Big champions in their category push hands with him and explain their feelings... There is an old chinese man seat demonstrating the skill to...
Hmmmmm ua-cam.com/users/shortsJQ6lfusV7hU?feature=share
It is really real I can do it too and it’s really not a big deal at all. And not for fighting really. You have to concentrate. Kills reaction time. So a fight is a little aggressive unless Adam is making fighting claims. But also you can fill someone in a second with enough earth energy or put it in the fists…. You’ll hear more and more about this ppl are finding out how it’s done and working hard. Listen to his meditation videos because he’s probably telling you all he knows without directly telling you step by step. I can’t wait for your experience bro!
Are you U.K. based? Would you be willing to recreate those feats on camera?
Mizner indeed shows outlandish fighting techniques but even the demo stuff is bull💩. You can’t make someone jump by touching them
What the hell is this guy on about? Tom Morris you crazy.
What a bunch of deluded bs.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalmayou actually can. Especially if you use kabbalistic letters which all have different effects. And then formulas with multiple letters. I’m in USA. It’s very real.
Learn qi gong. Or tai chi. Or even a great book that will allow you to pull in and store huge amounts of energy by John kreiter called “the magnum opus”
Then you put the energy into the bones. And then between the bones and fascia.
This gives you the basic energy, which is controlled by thought.
So you just “sink” the chi and basically relax more then the other person. And your energy will go inside of them and your though will effect them.
So you can think “heavy” and focus on the knees or the neck or ankles etc. and you will see the person react accordingly.
It’s real. You just need to cultivate the energy. If there’s no chi cultivated and stored, you’ll have no effect like everyone else.
You can do it anyone can. No one is special.
@@bilbobaggins4403”I don’t know about it so it must not exist”- you
Little chicken boy
Yes, he is 😏
Why does it bother you so much what other people do?
Because it’s a con. Why does it bother you what I’m doing?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Again, why does it bother you if people want to be conned? Asking why it bothers you does not mean it bothers me what you are doing. Just asking my own question back to me does not constitute a legitimate response. Don't dodge the question - you put the video up and allowed comments.
@@ChunMaya again, why are you bothered with my challenge?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma dodging my question again because you don't have an answer...pathetic😂
@@ChunMaya there is no dodging. It’s pointing out your hypocrisy. Anyone reading this will understand. It might have helped your case if you weren’t crawling all over my content crying 😢 Oh no, someone pointed out that mizner is a con artist 😭 😂
I've never met Adam Mizner and would never allow him to touch me (I feel I'd have to immediately take a long hot shower afterward). I've never met Jesus either, but I can say if I saw a video of Jesus walking across the water, I would treat it with the same level of disbelief I allot to Adam's videos.
Nice. I questioned it too and got pretty much the same comments that you are now getting. "You need to feel it." I have no problem with that, but am still waiting for the invite.
Exactly, right!? I’m getting lots of claims from people with no content who live outside of the U.K. so strange that the U.K. guys are so silent…
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma yes, I've not heard a peep either, though they are obviously aware of my vid. If something does get arranged, could you let me know? Be interested in tagging along if I may. I can hold the camera if nothing else :)
@@CuttingEdgeSystema I definitely will. Nice to meet you
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma cheers, likewise!
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Hi Rob, I do agree that most of chi demonstration are indeed biomechanical tricks, but with Mizner, it's another deal... For having trained personnally with him and expierienced directly his touch, I can tell you it's not fake. I never jumped in a steady position like some other students, I guess my feet are always ready to move and my body doesn't fight back and can somehow accept force, but... what I felt, I never felt before, it was such an experience ! Crossing hands with him is just something else, like your nervous system doesn't understand what's happening and your body is just bugging, the first time he touched me I was simply unable to move. I asked him if he could do it again, he explained me he would come normally, without activating his pong and it was "normal", I could adapt to what he was doing, Then he told me, now I open the tap and... I felt like overwhelmed by something, after a second I could move my feet, but I was simply stuck to him and could not unplug. Then he sent "something" with no biomechanical movement at all, basically chi, I felt like a fucking punch in my stomach and everything collapsed inside my body, while the only point of contact was between our right forearms...
And another thing that I only experienced with Mickail, when you approach him with a martial intent, wether he is just standing, there are simply no entry to his "bubble", you feel that whatever you would try to do, it's already handeled and you're done, don't know how to describe it another way 🙃
One of your friends already knows how things are. Or is he hypnotized too? By the way, similar accusations and mockery are often found against Sergey Ryabko by people who have not seen him live, but only on UA-cam. But you and I know that not everything can be seen on UA-cam, right? And that some of the "fake stuff" is actually quite real, right? Have a nice day and good luck in your search for the truth! :)
Well, I have never trained/touched hands with Adam Mizner, but honestly...I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you go and meet him. I know a little bit about CMA and can say, just from watching his vids, that he really does have some skills. But hey...maybe I'm wrong. I did see him impressing some respected UFC guys with his abilities on a film recently. Surely they are going to be honest and truthful aren't they? Just a thought.
I think you’ll find those fighters were paid to be in his documentary.
Mizner’s U.K. rep is too scared to reproduce Mizner’s feats and won’t allow any of his students to be filmed. They’re cowards who prey on the feeble minded and easily lead. Thankfully, as you haven’t trained with him, you appear to be neither.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Feeble minded, easily led who... Fabricio Werdum and Lyoto Machida...Top UFC fighters in their day... don't think so.
@@fengpo you missed out ‘paid’. Do they train under mizner or were they paid to be in a documentary? ua-cam.com/users/shortsJQ6lfusV7hU?feature=share
I disagree with you completely. I believe Both these UFC fighters have honour and therefore, would not prostitute themselves for money over the truth in Martial Arts. I believe you discredit them by saying they would. That is my opinion. We will have to disagree on this point and also on Mizner. I believe he has skills, better than many out there.
@@fengpo they were paid to be demonstration dummies. There is no honour in it.
I think Alex Kozma is in the U.K. Hope you have good health insurance.
I’ll look him up. Thanks 🙏🏻
Can’t find anything on him. Do you have a link?
I see we follow a few of the same tai chi creators. I’m shocked you watch their content and still believe mizner can make you hop by touching you…
When is he in NYC? There are parts of NYC I recommend he not visit if he thinks he can subdue others by touching them lightly like a submissive 'flower girl'. He'll get his petals plucked right there on Brooklyn Avenue pants down.
then go to one of his events and ask - asking his students seems a poor sub, developing these skills takes a minimum of a
hard decade b y the accounts i have heard, so of course many students and jr teachers will be on that path, not at the end.
Did you see the 5th degree karate fellow who tried him then became a student?
he seems quite grounded and believable.
my tai chi teacher, the sr student of the sr student of cheng man ching had lesser if similar skills. I felt them many times. it actually took me a few years to even feel what he was doing it was that subtle.
I saw a video where a karate guy (not seen any evidence that he’s a fifth Dan) claim that he was a sceptic and then became a student. I’ve never seen any proof of what happened. Have you?
I guess that’s why I know he can’t replicate it whereas you’d fall for bullshido. I’d never pay a charlatan any money.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma you will never know if he is a charlatan or not either then. your so called knowing is an attitude, not a fact.
@davidryan7386 show me proof of it working against resistance, in fact, I’ll settle for anyone reproducing this nonsense against resistance.
Do you believe in no touch knockouts?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma I belive that yang family then style tai ji has a long history of tales of newtonian pyhsics defying skills.
I have had 2 teachers (jonathan russell and frank allen) who demonstrated these to me via a ghostly peng and a 1 inch punch, and so did fong ha.
I been practicing since 1992 and have had 5 teachers I and NO students present could push over.
So when I read Damo's books and see his nei gong is 100% legit. and can tell in his bearing and tone and even the body that he is the real deal in terms of nei jia quan smart hands and more and that he says adam is the best he has ever seen in tai ji, and adams form too is impeccable the few minutes of old yang style we see.
THe huang Lineage has the same reputation for such skills as cheng man ching his teacher did and cheng fu and even more so we hear crazy tales of telekenisis and levitation from the 1st 2 generations.
I have had enough peak experiences in real world fights where my shen took over and I did shit I could only credit to my teachers transmission and my faithful as I could practice.
So, this can be faked. many have and been outted.
nobody who met adam AFAIK has outed him as a fake. This only comes from people who have not taken the traditional route which is go challenge the master respecfully!
as for the exact nature of your questions I don't use those terms, so I can't address them. But my teacher actively frmo 1998 to 2003 regulalry, the senior of the senior of CMC, had all the famous skills of cheng and tt Liang except the ability to use Lu as a magnet you can't escape from.
We see adam excel at this, now maybe jonathan could and I never saw it. But liang said cheng could, and cheng fu could and BK frantzis says same of cheng fus son - i forget which - you could not disconnect if he didn't let you.
Now, if you want to fairly ask - can these skills be used in a fight as well as a demonstration, i would pay to see this like and lover of internal martial arts.
but lets be real, only fools risk life threatening or crippling head iunjuries to prove things to others or for money.
THis is not fuedal china - or even pre muhammad ali's and many other boxers decline or demise.
So internal stylists of master level have no ego for this sort of thing and they reprove the art by teaching not overt challnge matches.
Word is Huang DID and kicked ass - I have not followed up to see the allged grainy video.
Sorry if i was impolite above. I have thought ALOT about this post in the last few weeks and looked much deeper into adam.
I have kept a close eye on tai chi systems as I could for 30 years. and the how, what and when and why of the training itself is too me a telling subject. Adam has a few videos that speak to this - his earth man heaven video in particular.
So - until i see evidence otherwise and I do plan on going to a workshop of his and trying a year or much more of his training - I will go with my gut brain and heart and intution all saying adam is the real deal most likely none of his videos are faked, although the skill level and prior training of students is a variable,
if he is a fake, he fooled damo, who is a martial baddass from all i can tell, i know him mainly through nei gong and his books and excellent alchemy book, again a subject i am no novice in. I have had deeper nei tan training than tai chi, although i have practiced tai chi and nei gong mivch more as thats what is practical for me except at top of my game.
Adamhas admitted he has gone well into damo's alchemy and that means he has become at least 1 more dimension deeper than the average tai chi creature.
IMO if you get alchemy there is no longer a sense any of these skills of higher masters are impossible. one must simplyu have excellent teachers and practice correctly many hours a day for many seasons. that is where i trip up. the many seasons in a row.
I just urge you to be less intellectually sceptical and more practically sceptical.
To flip things politely if i may, what/whose internal system do you think is likely to yield the highest skills and what are those?
DO you not believe in the 'spooky action at a distance' physics experiment? I can link it if you do not know to what i refer.
I think it comes to a belief in traditional internal martial arts and daoist alchemy being a real multi dimensional past 3 pair of arts or that the higher end is myth and legend.
I used to wonder but after practicing alchemy on a 10 month retreat and rebooting it many times and taking it ever deeper every ten years or so, and after meeting and practicing with jonathan and fank allen, well, i think damo and adam are exactly as they appear and say.
Adam is a bit too pugnacious and crazy hardcore for my taste meditateively - lol - BUT, I see no evidence the people who touch hands with im, including the snarpilogus guy - who is obviously filing in a external style dojo he teaches in - it is all as they say.
THat dude is genuine, humble serious af and is trying out the 50/month course, and finding it is a steal.
I just signed up for free 1st month. why? because i think Adam has these skills and a few hard years of training in his system is my best bet to getting them.
that simple. If i touch hands with him, i promose to try and ask someone to film and do my best to NOT let my self get stuck to his arm like so many lol.
hope that long rant repy is worth the read.
Cheers! here is to america and britain getting freer and wiser in our next elections and there aftermath!
Hope are in full agreement there!
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma
i see serious resistence in several of adams demo videos. and genuine shock they are so caught.
THe word from EVERYONE who has gone to him is ADAM wins. FInd me proof ANYONE has gone to challenge him and disproven anything.
I think the butt of the disagreement is deeply philosophical; or rather do you think the old tales of the yang family are true?
No touch knock out is rare if it exists, has adam claimed this?! why is it coming up?
everyone who knows the history of CMA controversies inmodern times knows about empty force and that it is real and doesn't work on non students.
now, let me ask you about radical Lu/rollback power, acording to Bk Frantzis and TTLIang they say a masters arms are magnets you can not escape from.
Adam shows this and says it is Lu. This is how he forces folks down and then moves them with his nei jin.
My teacher studied with tt liang and was his senior student. he had to touch me to push me, but it took me 3 years of serious practice to feel it as it was happening. His teacher says cheng had magnetic arms. I believe this.
BK frantzis says his yang family teacher - zhen do i think or maybe the elder one absolutely had magnetic arms you could not disengage from. and BKF was already a serious baddass by this time. frank allen his sr ba gua guy also I know 1st hand as a devastating barely tap you punch that felt like telephone pole.
newtonian physics can't explain much if any of this. whereas the theoretical physics can. see the 'spooky action at a distance ' stuff all over the net.
SO that is my question for you. do you think the higher non newtonian physics skills of the old masters and their modern top disciples are real?
I do, as i have experienced them.
that does not of course prove adam. what DOES make me feel comfy paying adam for lessons at 50/month after my free month ends in a couple weeks is he lays his system out in a earth man heaven video and it is trad. af.
also, damo mitchell is a serious and deep practioner, I done nei gong off and on deeply (fucked i know) for decades and when I have gone very deep i can read the intermediate levels of damo's nei gong and KNOW he has followed the same deep training but to crystallization. he says adam is legit, the best he has worked with actually.
I trust damo alot. I been training as much as i can since 1985 in meditation and chi gong and very intro IMA and real tai chi and indepth nei gong since 1992. I worked hard to get to my modest place whivh let me use serious peng in a fight against a knife and crow bar weilding pair. TT LIAng in my tai chi uncle Sturat Olsons book says if you practice well a long time when you need it the chi (jing he means i am sure) will come out. he was right. And i am very off/on about it. but still it worked so radically i don't even know exactly how the crowbar ended up in my hand from a wipe, while the ex wielder was sitting the dust confunded mayne 7 ft away.
So, I do think radical training like damo and adam do will lead to skills like the 1st 4 generations of yangs and their students are famous for.
I know 1st hand fong ha and frank allen and jonathan russell and stuart olsen all have the basic mastery skills. I know there teachers did and so on.
So - while adam's stuff looks crazy, i admit, I see no sign of crazy grifter in him or damo. indeed their 'wanted criminal cult leaders' video was genuinely real and hilarious and tragic in thts adam's 1/2 bro IS a pedo - of a horrific kind in the past - but that is not adam's doing, we don't control our siblings unless we be the legal guardians, no?
SO yeah, i am guessing you at heart maybe DON"t believe in the higher skills.
I can't say i do/n't believe in no touch punches as i not experienced or seen it. again - is adam claiming this? i not heard or seen that at all.
I am glad somebody has reached these levels. it gives me enough hope to spend some (more) thousands and try and master it myself before I get 65 :-)
good luck with your practice and challenge. but i think you going about it mostly wrong, go meet adam, be polite, ask to film when it is a good moment, if ok, and tell hium you can't believe it but....
all your hype about not paying a grifter is silly and shallow tbh.
there is too much evidence he is dead serious yang style lineage holder and serious af meditator too boot, no doubt a HUGE part of his success in tai chi.
I will close and say i think his lifestyle advice, words and actions and teaching all align as i would expectr in a master.
damo and his talks are a total breath of fresh air.
sincerely,
DR
ps I thought alot about this post since i 1st posted. I think you need to penetrate deeper in to your doubts and what can prac tically be done to test them.
has ANYONE reported meeting ADAM and NOT being blown away by his skills? anyone?! ALL the naysayers seem to be arm chair masters.
Suyre you challenged his students in UK, but maybe he has no seniors there of note yet.
DO yourself a favor and try his free month, keeep a journal of the practice and do a go fund me to pay to go to a class.
hell I will pitch ten dollars in a month or 2 once i get steady with my new class bill.
or conversely if i get to his workshop 1st i will ask to film and do my best to not get caufght in his peng an lu net. lol
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Go and practice at HME in London if you want to investigate further..
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@@indefenceofthetraditionalmawhat's awkward? just go to their class?
@@walter_peck why? I think they’re teaching bull💩
@@indefenceofthetraditionalmaok so you've made up your mind, no worries.
@@walter_peck my mind can be changed. The challenge is there. No one is brave enough to accept though. Almost like I know what I’m talking about
I have never met Adam, and I find him annoying, but I've trained for over a decade in the same lineage, Huang Tai Chi. My teacher can do to me exactly what Adam does to his students and others. It is an incredible feeling to get pushed by someone who knows what they are doing.
You need to experience this yourself before calling it bullshit. Adam is not the only one in the world able to do this. My teacher can and there are many of Huangs students world wide. Wee Kee Jin is another.
To be fair, I would not have believed it if I didn't experience it first hand, and that is what kept me there after 20 years practice. Adam is annoying and I dislike his marketing and mysticism but he is the real deal.
Your teacher can make you jump upwards by pushing you backwards?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma It depends how he does it, but yes he can. He can push me straight back or downwards, anywhere really. Sometimes a downward push causes a jump back reaction.
I doubt that video's will convince you but have you seen the Martial Man's videos, or perhaps the Power of Chi where he demonstrates with uncompliant MMA champions, weightlifter, NFL players etc.
Again, I don't particularly like the guy, but having practiced in his style and had others do this to me, I say again, he is the real deal.
@@aandrewb8411 then your teacher can defy physics? Wow. Are you U.K. based? Would love to experience this for myself. So far only two teachers have accepted my challenge and both chickened out when it came to making arrangements.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma No, Australia. I started out doing Chow Gar Tong Long, but all the best students also did Tai Chi so I graduated to that, approximately 20 years ago.
I can assure you that I am non compliant, and would never be party to faking any of this. Do you really think that Mizner's many demonstrations not only with his own students, but many others outside his school are faked? Have you thought what that would involve? Paying off literally hundreds of students and others, who are all prepared to look stupid for the sake of Adam Mizer. It makes no sense.
Anyway I do hope you get to experience this. I understand your scepticism.
This doesn't defy physics at all and isn't magic. The best way I can describe it is if you have ever put an orange pip between your fingers and it shoots out, that is kind of how it feels. You can have the strongest "base" and when pushed you entirely lose it like you are standing on a thin branch instead of the ground then you are flying back.
I might add that this is as traditional as you get as far as Tai Chi goes. Most schools I see are more about having a form that looks good but lacks the principles in movement.
If you like I can email you the details of a seminar that is taking place in the UK in a few days time by one of Huang's direct students. I doubt he will accept challenges but you'd likely get to experience a proper push. I won't give details in public but happy to email.
What are you trying to prove by challenging others? If you win that'll only mean you are better than the person you defeat and they are thousands of people out there who can defeat you easily too. So what's the point of playing the big type with your limited skills in the art that you practice??? You should invest in self accomplishment instead of comparing yourself to others.
Did you watch the video? How would I be ‘winning’?
ego? sending love and peace to everyone...
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@@indefenceofthetraditionalma - chasing rabbits down rabbit holes? do you understand?
@@michaelj.4187 I understand what you’re trying to do. Just not why you’re doing it
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma sending love and peace to everyone...
Mizner is full of crap, but annoyingly he mixes in the very occasional skilful move.
I have a yang lineage, (Fu Zhong Wen) Tony Henry's is in Lockington on Monday nights, that's about 6 miles from you.
He is an excellent fighter, some of his students are good also.
I'm based in Tamworth 14 miles from you, our classes are on Tuesday nights, Saturday mornings....pop over??
What martial art do you practice?...what nights does your Derby class run?, I'm a teacher, so free to pop over in school holidays especially....I just know traditional yang style though, I have no magical abilities.
I live in Norfolk so Tamworth is actually quite a drive. My partner lives in Nottingham though so maybe we can make something work at some point.
I have seen mizner do some decent stuff, however, that doesn’t go anywhere near being able to forgive him for what he promotes
Happy to meet up, especially during school holidays.
Even if its just stopping off at m42 services junction 10 on your way to Nottingham, from Norfolk.
I'm just an old guy 56, but I believe in Tai chi as a solid art.
@@alexfaulds2160 me too. I love tai chi
Just do mma
There’s no pushing hands in mma and mizner does tai chi. Your comment makes no sense in regards to this video
Adam mizner has made a movie the power of chi with morgan freeman including 3 mma champions and the strongest man in the world ' I would suggest you view the movie before you conclude
Two former ufc champions. Have you not watched it? ua-cam.com/users/shortsJQ6lfusV7hU?feature=share
4x bbj world champion light heavyweight world champion and the strongest man in the world 4x ' 🤡
You said 3 mma champions. There was machida and Werdum. Who was the third?
ua-cam.com/video/-ejO5kEkFn0/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Taiji on American TV.
You’re saying that because it’s on tv it must be true!?
How much money you are willing to bet on you taking down Adam's senior student? Or you just another talking head on the internet?
Can I suggest you watch the video again? How much are you willing to bet his top student can make me jump by touching me? Are you willing to put you money where your mouth is or are you just another faceless keyboard warrior?
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma Offer some $$$ let's make it interesting. After you officially arranged the match, you and I put money in the escrow. Willing to bet $10k you're gonna jump like a chicken around. Let's make Adam himself touch you. forget the senior students. I wanna see a real show. Are you willing to do that ? Or you just bla bla bla?
@@CryptoJazz8 ‘crypto news’ with no videos and no subscribers 😂😬 Another faceless keyboard warrior
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma The workshops with Adam Mizner are available a few times a year around the world. Book one and meet the guy in person, don't s#@t talk about people you don't know. Don't be a cowerd. Be honest with yourself at least...You are the one who is hiding .
@@CryptoJazz8 it doesn’t work like that. He only demonstrates on the gullible. There’s a reason he and his students never accept challenges like mine.
Pretty sure I heard he has a part in the upcoming mcdojo movie. Can’t wait to see it
It’s good to be skeptical!!
But maybe you should have more action instead of just talking on a stupid video. No?
The problem is when we think we know it all.
Go after him and check him out for a not friendly fight and you will know….and we might never know the result cause he will fight, but no filming. Just in case.☠️
The lack of action is down to the excuses made by the mizner camp and his supporters. For all other answers, I made this video ua-cam.com/video/QTtkspU-ejQ/v-deo.html