Good luck! I tried to just think about doing it and started running in problems started back in volume 7, then volume 6 and in the end of that train of thought I was having to rewrite the entire show so I gave up lmao I'm curious to see how it will turn out!
@@caseyspark2019 I understand, I just don't like seeing poor Oscar being abuse for stuff that wasn't even his fault. Not to mention the fact that Ozpin didn't even do anything wrong in the first place. It makes his abuse so hard to watch.
Oh wow now that you mention it, Ozpin really did get victim blamed, and Oscar really did get abused This does NOT portray our heroes in a good light at ALL
You know Ozma dying from an illness shows that despite being a powerful wizard or whatever he's still a mortal. Even wizards can die from an illness. Besides it probably wasn't the common cold that killed him, it could've been any disease: Cancer, tuberculosis, leukemia, pneumonia, or a heart disease. The list goes on. Plus Salem's been cooped up in a tower all her life do you expect her to know a wizard doctor? Besides there are some things magic can't fix.
36:06 Imagine if the random dude was in the middle of a duel with Grimm when Oz awakens in his mind and, due to the resulting confusion, proceeds to immediately get mauled to death, causing Oz to reincarnate again.
Okay wtf. Seriously RT? That's twice now you've done this. DO not turn into one of those people who just take down video's because someone took your story and made it better. I've yet to watch this video due to not having the time or mood for it. I know it will have good points and be interesting to watch as they always are from here. But RT stop taking it down and forcing them to reupload it's starting to annoy me. I like RWBY, and as a person who enjoys writing I too see the flaws in a lot of the writing, like Ironwood or volume 7. Heck I made a rewrite for it that simple has Team RWBY, JNOR and ironwoods forces go their seperate ways. Jaune and Nora going with Ruby's team. Ren and Oscar staying with Ironwood, Qrow would do the same, while Robin would be imprisoned. there's some emotional conflict here and there, not sure about Penny getting the winter maiden powers vs winter getting them.
Rooster Teeth has every right to take down content they deem violates their own guidelines for posting their content. Whining about it like you're entitled to have free access to anything owned by Rooster Teeth just shows a lack of maturity.
@@tamiej.5558 I mean it was, the only thing that was slightly out of character was his petty killing of Jacques and I just chalk that up to him losing his mind by that point. Everything else had been set up as far back as Volume 2.
Ozzie-Osborne-glasses Ozpin is my favorite design of the original three volumes. It’s just the right amount of attractive, mysterious, comfortable, and professional. His only fight, at the end against Cinder, made the magic look so fucking cool. It sort of hurts to think about the current show, as I used to love RWBY so fiercely, but after volume 3 it felt wrong to me. I suppose that’s what happens when you lose a show’s creator. I’ll always look back fondly on my memories of early Ruby, but it feels like the Rooster Teeth I looked up to in my youth isn’t really here anymore.
time to put this on in the background cause I watched it both other times and I want to give this channel watch time while leaving a comment for the algorithm. Goddamit RT can you stop taking down this genuinely good video that fairly points out the flaws and things you did well??
I would have switched Ozma and Salem's backstories slightly. Wouldn't it make more sense to curse re-incarnation through possession to the one who can't understand the importance of life and death (make this person see the pain of someone close to you dying over and over again.) And the person who's supposed to bring the cursed one back to sanity with eternal life in their own body.
Good video. I don't think I've actually seen someone break down the flaws of'The Lost Fable'. I've seen people review episodes one by one of course,by not a deep dive analysis of a specific episode like this. Maybe one of the next RWBY videos you do could be about how inconsistent and underdeveloped the magic systems of Aura/Dust/Sembalances are and how this negatively affects the plot,worldbuilding, and characters(both inside and outside of battle) And one about how the role of huntsmen in RWBY is poorly fleshed out.(what are huntsmen expected to do and know outside of fighting Grimm?How strong is the average huntsmen?etc.)
Seriously,one of the reasons why the introduction of Maidens and magic didn't have much an impact for the audience is because prior to that the show had never really fleshed out how the previous stuff worked and what the limits of it were and so magic just came off as either unimpressive or people genuinely mistaked it for another Sembalance because up to that point,there was all kinds of esoteric shit that they were capable of doing. I think the example of a lot of people thinking that the Branwen twins ability to turn into crows was just another part of their Sembalance instead of a magic ability demonstrates that issue. They should've used the school setting to properly develop the Aura/Dust/Sembalance magic systems and establish the huntsmen career as a fleshed out worldbuilding element.The crappy way that RWBY used it's fantasy school setting could make for another decent-length video in and of it itself.And one that would be pretty unique, as I've not seen people specifically talk about the problems with how RWBY utilized the fantasy school setting.
Also...WTF RT?! WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM WITH THIS VIDEO????!!!! YOU'VE NUKED IT TWICE AT THIS POINT.STOP IT! It's suspicious that RT is paying this much attention to this video when there's plenty of criticism videos about RWBY.
I feel like the Huntsmen/Huntresses are going the way that "rank scaling" does in a lot of shonen anime/manga like Naruto or Bleach. They try to make the rank sound impressive to give the characters something to aspire to, but then the only people we see in that rank are either super special prodigies or barely noteworthy fodder. If you say "this person is super special and talented" every time you show someone in that rank being awesome, and any other time when it's *not* a main or supporting cast member they look like trash, then the rank itself becomes meaningless as a measure of skill. Early on in the series it's treated as though "Being extremely skilled" and "being a Huntsman/Huntress" are synonymous. We see the main rookie characters being awesome, but then we see what their senior students (like CFVY) and people on the professional level (like Qrow and Winter) can do, and it's like "Okay, so that's where the characters need to be if they expect to be Huntresses." Except then it goes on to show us many, many examples of professional Huntsmen who are just trash. People who are basically no more effective than the regular Atlas soldiers who *don't* use aura or have any other specialized training. It renders the entire rank meaningless because they've made it clear that the specific examples of amazing feats we've seen are just because the individuals in question are extremely skilled, rather than because you need to reach that level to become one.
@@VenathTehN3RD You did a good job of laying out a problem with the huntsmen as a worldubuilding element that I think a lot of people,even critics of the show, tend to overlook. I also think the other half of what makes the role of huntsmen meaningless is not just because we have no idea how skilled the average one is or has to be,but what they're expected to do/know outside of fighting Grimm.Are they expected to work with the local law enforcement if the situation requires it?Is it part of their jurisdiction or not to hunt down rogue/criminal Aura Users?What about the skills that they're expected to know as part of their job? What hierarchy do the huntsmen outside of Atlas answer to? How much salary do they earn and how do they earn it?(Huntsman have to be doing something in order to pay for basic necessities they need to live) What are the rules/guidelines huntsmen have to follow,if any? The show doesn't give context for any of that and that makes the role worthless because huntsmen only superficially look like they're a part of a lived-in setting,but if you look closer it's a puddle deep,like most things in RWBY when it comes to the writing. By the time RWBY are made official huntresses in Vol 7 it comes off as underwhelming and an afterthought by the writers. Even after they do become official,their new status doesn't change anything about their dynamic either as a team or when interacting with others.And the sad part is that they had the perfect writing device in the first few seasons to address this: Beacon. Like I said, RWBY really has the worst use of a fantasy school setting I've seen.
@@VenathTehN3RD Yeah. And more since for what I’ve gathered from other reviews it seemed that even in the first volumes when Monty was alive the writers and the animators were so separated it makes sense that now is way more easier to see the holes. Before the cool fights could make up and was a show with cool fights and basic personae but now it got way too convoluted by not stopping and trying to show the audience the why something is a way or how we should be amazed our heros can take a huntsmen down or a soldier.
I wanted to thank you for making this and other videos. I've gotten into your work through Winx Club, and only recently have started to approach the RWBY stuff. The Flawed Foundation part contained a particularly poignant point that describes my relationship with the series perfectly: "It's why people walk away with such aggressively different interpretations of the show and its characters, because clarity has never been a priority for RWBY". It allowed me to recognize that the character and readings I cherished most came from as much - or even more from - my own feelings and interpretations as from what the show contained. I love what I got out of it, as I enjoy the process of construction, but I'm glad to see the faults in the writing exposed. There is something particularly soul-crushing about this entire situation: first the fans are given the basic outline to work with, forcing them to engage their own storytelling and fill in the blanks, and then the inevitable betrayal when the source material takes such a sharp turn for the mediocre. By no means am I trying to argue that any medium has an obligation to follow the path set for it by fans, but when the charting of this path is the only way to actually engage with the show and see something meaningful in it, there is no good end in sight for people who love the given medium. I think of the queerbaited fans forced to contend with scraps for no reason, of Ironwood fans who still held out hope after Volume 8 only for his death to be confirmed in an answer specifically to a question to a fan's hope.
It’s ridiculous that RT keeps fucking this video. This is a fantastic video and ive lost a lot of faith in RT since they’ve started to block this video. Keep up the good work my guy!
Thanks for your bravery to keep uploading this vid! I kept missing it bc it was on my watch later playlist, but today dropped everything to watch this! 🍵👀
Here's a little fanfic rewrite of mine. What if Ozma was known as the Beast Wizard of the Seasons. He has the powers of fall, winter, spring, and summer, and also the ability to shapeshift into any animal in the world. When Salem later suggests to him that they should replace humans with what they could never be, her and Ozpin get together and try to create a stronger humanity by transferring Ozpin's best powers onto humans, creating the Faunus. It's a much better explanation than just "Now there were Faunus" don't you think?
Fan service foundation AKA "Rooster teeth" doesn't like this video because criticism based on what they've been given is seen as hates speech, they may be misinterpreting the video, but that is the least likely outcome. Personally I hate every volume outside of 1 and 2, not because Monty died, but because they took something that could have been great, and forgot what it was supposed to be. Each member of team RWBY has more character development in those volumes than every character in the past 6 volumes as of 2021. Each character motivation was ultimately destroyed by V6 besides Ospin, and we don't care about him. Hazel died, Emerald doesn't matter to anyone, Qrow might as well kill himself by now, Robin doesn't matter to anyone, Colonel Sanders died, Ren and Nora wouldn't matter outside of each other. Hell, Rooster Teeth sacrificed a loving, caring sibling relationship between Ruby and Yang, for 'da gays'. Cinder is a bad, villain with a useless backstory. Tiryan is just the Joker, Luigi died, and Mercury has disappeared. Now the 'heroes' are on the Madagascar set, and I will bet you my left pinky finger that Ice-cream is gonna be "switching sides."
Can I just say I love your essay videos? I watch a lot of them but you're among my favorites, you explain things very well and clearly, plus I love your humor lmao
Re commenting for the algorithm! This is really well put together! I really agree with everything you said, while I’m someone who still enjoys watching RWBY, the writer in me absolutely hates the show. This was really good at pointing out the faults of the writing. Thank you for compiling this! I guess the moral of the story is, go read a well written fanfiction if you want a good plot.
An interesting thing is ozma asking "how do I destroy Salem" shows 2 key issues in how he said it... May be intentional. Maybe he isn't the 1 who can do it and maybe she can't be "destroyed". Heck if they were good writers I would give them the benefit of the doubt saying his phycological state led him to thinking I "I have to get rid of her and have to do it alone since it is the job the gods gave me"... BUUUUUT it's RT so I am not hopeful on that.
I watched this the first time and really loved the video. So I watched it again the next day. Now I'm commenting in hopes that it won't be completely buried by RT who can't handle people legally using footage of RWBY to critique their shit writing and terrible show running.
You know I never really thought too much about Ozma's reincarnation thing before this video and you're completely right in that it is unnecessarily cruel, especially since all Ozma had done up til that point was die. In fact, I think the gods should have cursed Salem to reincarnate instead of just being immortal/unkillable. Seems like it would have been a better way to teach her about the importance of life & death/getting over loss by having her live multiple different lives. But what do I know, I sniff glue for a living.
Yep, the gods suck and made completely cruel and arbitrary decisions. Not unlike the Greek gods. To be fair, they did give Ozma a choice before letting him go back, and they did tell him that what he was hoping for wouldn't happen, but they didn't give him enough information to make a rational decision.
@@Mirality True, though at the same time it does kinda feel like the God of Light kinda coerced him into it. Like he tried to thrust this grand mission of "fixing mankind" on Ozma, who reasonably refused so that he may rest in the afterlife where he assumes his dearly beloved is. Then the God of Light just butts in all; "Oh actually, funny story, she's not currently there lol." Like clearly he knows that saying that will instantly get Ozma on board, no questions asked at the point (such as asking exactly how this reincarnation works, I just recently rewatched Lost Fable and not once does the God of Light bother explaining exactly how it will work to Ozma). Even the warning of "That she's not like how you remember." feels half-hearted, as if the God of Light already knows that Ozma doesn't care about that and just wants to see Salem again no matter what. Feels kinda like a scummy thing for a creator god to do, but when looking at all the shit the Greek gods did this is pretty tame by comparison. Poor Ozma, you don't deserve any of this.
Yep. Honestly, the whole thing with the gods mostly feels like two kids that have decided they're bored with this game now and just want to go home. As the God of Light said, the whole planet and its people were just an experiment to them. Trying to project "Christian God" properties onto them is the real mistake, they're clearly not intended to follow that model.
@@Mirality Yeah that's fair, guess my brain is just wired so that when it sees any sort of 'divine' being in media to assume its something similar. Honestly at this point I just wonder what the writers are gonna end up doing with the two, if they have anything more planned for them at all. My best guess is that Remnant rejects the gods after they are summoned by all four relics coming together because they do not need them anymore to be 'whole'/'complete'. But for now we won't know til the end of the show, which I have no clue when that's gonna happen but probably not for a long while.
Its almost unnerving how everyone villiainizes Oz for basically being a domestic abuse victim. He tried to get away from said crazy wife, was murdered for it and didnt want to share this personal trauma with the world... the horror... how dare her
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 So?.. did he do it wrongly?. Last I checked they were worshipped because they protected people from the grimm. LITERALLY saving towns and people. Salem wanted to rule the world. Oz wanted to unite it. Seems like a decent guy to me. Pyrrha also had a choice. Could have said no at any time.
I'm so glad you brought up how messed up the scene with team rwby teaming up againt Ozma after his story was shared was. It was were the show lost me and made me unlike the characters. I thought I was the only one who felt like that. The show frames it like you should hate this guy who went through all these horrible events because he didn't share them. Specially when Oscar, kneeling and crying, reaches up to the team with his hand, pleading them to stop hurting him when he was also hurt emotionally, and they just look down on him with disgust.
Him covering up Gretchen's death, manipulating society from the shadows including religious suppression so he could keep the Maidens to himself, spurning Merlot, etc etc. He's not as bad as Salem and certainly not the gods but he's not innocent either.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 where was it established that he covered up Gretchen's death? I thought Hazel's issue was that she died under Ozpin at all. And no one expressed any issue with Oz hiding the maidens they agreed with that. Because considering Cinder was after them they really had no reason to disagree. Can't comment on Merlock don't even know who that is Of the sins Oz actually committed, I see few
@@xacmashe3852 I said it seems like he would do that, it's weird Hazel accepts the narrative Oz gave Oscar. Helping Salem murder people to begin with and doing nothing about Faunus oppression are some big ones. Having superpowered thugs at his beck and call that he's probably used to quell dissent, especially the WF. Pressuring Pyrrha into becoming a Maiden. Don't care what the characters think, it's still wrong to keep these superpowered beings under one man's control. He also hid a religion and I can't imagine how that went. Merlot is the bad guy in the Grimm Eclipse game, he wants to make Grimm intelligent and docile enough to serve humans as to end the endless war between man and monster. The rest of the world rejected him and Ozpin sends RWBY to destroy his work. Oz doesn't want to help humanity and it's incredibly apparent throughout the story.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Where was it shown that he helped murder people? And what exactly was he supposed to do about Faunus oppression? Regardless of his power, he's only one man. Faunus were already being oppressed, locked in cages when he first showed up in the world. And considering Faunus are now being admitted into schools, have their own "nation", and are capable of being headmasters I'd say there's definitely been some progress. The Maiden, from the little we've seen from them, seem to be completely independent. Ozpin's secret society offers them protection. That's it. And Merlot doesn't matter. Grimm Eclipse is a bad, non-cannon videogame.
@@mistman_161 He helped Salem conquer the world when they reunited? Dude is an immortal wizard with vast magical powers and control of the warrior caste responsible for keeping humanity alive. He has connections upon connections, his resources should be practically limitless. He admits Faunus into schools but fights against their attempts at liberation. The epitome of virtue-signalling. Tell that to Fria and the Summer Maiden. He popped up in Amity Arena, he's as canon as the novels that contain canon information. The game sucks but I like his motivation, design less so.
You know what I just realized, this whole story of a guy coming in to save a girl trapped inside a tower is reminiscent of rapunzel but it really reminded me of Shrek. Shrek literally makes fun of a story like this and wipes his ass with it in the first 2 minutes of the movie. A weird thought I know.
The difference between Shrek and The Lost Fable is that the former(with the exception of the third movie) had decent to good writing and something meaningful to say.
@@infinitedreamer9359 In my opinion, the Shrek series is a trilogy Shrek, Shrek 2 and Shrek Forever After That OTHER movie does not exist, and every copy deserves to be destroyed.
She wasn't dangerous until you place the doormat before her, Oz made her go on a rampage, more than once, first by dying like an idiot, when there should have been healers friggin everywhere, next by rejecting instead of dissuading her from world domination, something she came up with by trying to make a world safer for her husband and children, maybe researching immortality and shit to keep them along longer... you don't even need to rule the whole world, just a tiny part, like a kingdom, ruling the world means you are responsible for it, and no one is that commited.
Are you trying to blame Ozpin for fucking dying to a disease? Acting like he wanted to die and didn’t try to stop it? Also Ozpin had no issue with the world domination he had an issue with her implying she would commit genocide for her children. I personally don’t think that’s what she meant but that’s a way it could be taken and was my initial thought upon hearing her proposal also she was infected by Grimm mud so she honestly could have been legit about wanting to end all of humanity due to that corruption.
it all slotted into place for me when you said "salem wants her fairytale ending with ozma, but she needs to understand life and death" it would literally fix her entire character - hell, the entire show even - if salem was dead set on getting her fairytale ending no matter what AND she would be a fantastic foil to ruby who slowly has to accept through the course of the show that you can't get a fairytale ending because it's unrealistic, but you can still live a happy life
I like how the gods caused a problem for all of humanity by allowing Salem to live and made it ONLY their problem, by giving them the "bring the relics together and we will judge humanity's ability to unite against the problem that we caused" crap. The gods are the real villains of the series but CRWBY is committed to convincing you that it's fuckin Ironwood or something.
The gods in RWBY universe are assholes indeed. However, it's kinda dissapointing because conflict between protagonist and an omnipotent (or at least pretty damn potent) god is pretty difficult to write in not cheesy way. CRWBY clearly won't be able to. So i guess, because Ruby is not allowed to loose in her own series, she'll manage to unite humanity and pass the god's test at the last moment or whatever... Though i personally would prefere different kind of busted ending. Let our girl go full Megaten, rejecting gods to dope soundtrack, while her sister punches gods in a face really hard or something!
The legend himself, Hirohiko Araki, said something to the tune of "note a metric fuckton of info about the character's life and personhood. You won't use all of it in the story, but it informs how the character functions and should be written - so people will notice if you don't do the work" And hearing you talk about Salem just drives home how right he was
Again, because RT keeps taking down this video: The fundamental problem with this episode is that it raises more questions than answers. It gives a basic run down on how Salem and Ozpin got to where they are at the beginning of the story, but didn't really go into any more depth than that. It forgot their motivations, how did remnant repopulate with humans, when did the God of Darkness create Grimm if they are nowhere to be seen before he leaves, why did the God of Light create the Relics, how did silver eyed warriors become a thing, where did Faunas come from, where did dust, aura, and semblances come from, and SO many more questions. It's amazing how it took six years to give such basic information. And it was boring, unsatisfying, and didn't really answer a lot of questions people had about the lore. They really should have made this episode into two parts or something.
More than two parts hell this entire chapter could warrant a separate series. RWBY: Lost Fables RT could take this and answer all your questions and more (assuming they know how without half-assed writing)
They left some things out on purpose because this is only things Oz knew. Ruby's question was "What is Oz hiding from us?" Not "What is the entire history of remnant." So it fits perfectly fine with gaps because anything Oz didn't know wouldn't be shown.
@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla That rings hollow when a good portion of the episode takes place during or after his death. Djinn took the time to tell Salem's side of the story even though Ozma wasn't present for it. There's no excuse for this.
Random thought if they wanted Ozpin morally grey, wouldn't it be easier just to reveal that he is responsible for Raven becoming the Spring Maiden? It seems like it would take less assets then The Lost Fable and make Yang have a reason to hate him.
Makes more sense than her getting pissy at Oz giving Raven and Qrow the ability to transform into birds. And they agreed to it and it didn't hamper them at all.
But hey, we need Yang and Blake, Weiss and Ruby to be the flawless, infallible protagonists. So the likelihood of that ever happening is that of a fever dream.
You know, as a person who is not into Rwby and therefore I have no clue on what is going in this series and it’s plot points and basic context, seeing Oscar constantly get beaten up and harassed by the characters when he looks so young can really seem like visible depiction of physical child abuse to me.
As someone who watched the show, it makes me uncomfortable.... the other characters get beat up but it's just him specifically that gets focused on being abused. I understand it's because he has Oz in him or whatever, but can't there be another way without writing him just getting beat up??
@@Starbonsai I know right? Like honestly, it feels like it's just there for the sake of shock value and "being mature". They could easily tone it down just a little bit and still get the message across that no one likes Oz.
That doesn’t make sense when there’s less honest critics out there with crappy critiques with their videos not being taken down. More likely this is just a dumb bot going haywire and targeting this video since most companies don’t actually have people who make the copyright claims just automated bots
@@rhymenoceros3303 It's not like it would be the first time a company has tried to snuff out honest criticism of their products using copyright strikes and It's all about reach. If you're platform is big enough to reach enough people and considering how valuable rwby is to RT given their state being rwby is their only golden goose right now, you don't think they'd want to protect that investment at all cost? You make what I'm saying sound so conspiratorial when there is a very real precedent of what I'm saying as it's happened many many times before to other creators. There's a reason why the saying is UA-cam hates creators. Either the algorithm TOS screws you over even if you're video is far use legally or it cow tows to a rich Corp that doesn't like your video and tries to copyright strike/claim it. So it's not farfetched to think that RT is cracking down when Unicorn of War's other videos on rwby weren't constantly blocked like this before. It's a high possibility at the least.
@@EndlessDreamer448 except there’s been no other RWBY videos being blocked as far as I know, not to mention Unicorn is one of the few reviewers who’s honest and doesn’t hate monger or give bad faith criticism. It doesn’t make sense to target them specifically let alone a video on Volume 6 when we’re already up to Volume 9 now. My guess is that what’s going on is that the bot is detecting too much RWBY content and mistaking the video as the full episode or something. As I said most companies don’t actively seek out videos to copyright, they just use automated bots that just mark videos on as set of criteria like “if video plays audio clip for longer then 5 minutes”. RT does not censor criticism and if they did start doing it they wouldn’t start with Unicorn.
@@rhymenoceros3303 I'm just saying not to rule out malicious intent cause I've seen it happen before. I find it strange that this is a problem now when it wasn't before but only time will tell.
@@EndlessDreamer448 fair enough I’m just saying to keep an open minded and not turn it into an us vs them thing because then the less savory parts of the fandom pounces on that and starts spreading lies and hearsay. I’ll definitely keep an eye out and if it’s something bad I’ll call RT out but if it’s not then let’s just move on and not try to make a mountain out of mole hill.
I think my last holdout of hope with the show was Neo's revenge. I'd had to believe that she was pretending to work with Cinder because she saw the maiden powers and knew she couldn't take her alone. Otherwise I mean...it'd be like the Cinder completely changed her mind and redirected her revenge onto Ruby in about 3 sentences. And the insight we presumed she had in targeting Cinder was a farce. But I guess the song was good.
@Emma Petersen Well Miles and Kerry love with Cinder and her voice actress, of course they gonna make those heroes and neo, NERFed so hard and act dumb to make Cinder competent and worthy.
@@vimtocat1741 Disgusting in this day and age we still treat our animators, programmers and nasic workers like rubbish, they're the reason for the product getting made! You'd think you'd treat them better to make the product 10x greater
So unfair that this video keeps getting gutted for the amount of views and engagement it really deserves, especially with all the work and hours you poured into this. I for one, really am loving this more analytical writer's approach you're taking with RWBY, and am all for it. While it definitely ruffles more feathers up high, if this is where you want to take your content you have my utmost support.
I dont think the reason it keeps being taken down is because it's more critical. If that were true,true, there a whole bunch of critical RWBY videos that also would be targeted. I think there's another reason for this.
@@infinitedreamer9359 Yeah. My only guess is probably that Thomas brought up the Glassdoor reviews, and that hit a nerve with this particular RT employee?
@@SwitchbackCh It wouldn't surprise me at all if RT wanted to cover up their well-known mistreatment of employees. It's one of the main reason's they're going down the drain as a company.
The character's hate towards Ozpin was so undeserved. These idiots act like he's the worst for not sharing his entire backstory like they are obligated to know. Clearly, he was emotionally broken at not only his memories being forced out to everyone but also being reminded how shit it was. He is constantly reincarnating, his lover is a crazy bitch who wants destruction, he literally saw how cruel she was when their daughters were in the crossfire of the fight and died and he was clearly depressed to hear that he couldn't "destroy" her. That's one thing the cast focused so much on: Salem can't be killed. Ok, so she can't but that doesn't mean you can't stop her plans and lock her up in a hole. It'd be like if Team 7 and Obito giving up because they couldn't kill Kaguya or the Ninja Army giving up because Madara was too powerful.
@Jay I think they were more mad at hearing that Salem is unkillable and the fact that Oz doesn't have a plan to stop her. Hell, he never told Glynda, Qrow or Ironwood that either.
I feel like they have right to know what happened and how they got there They are HIS soldiers to carry out HIS mission. Maybe leave out a few details but overall they should know because theyre fighting for and on behalf of him. Its a dick move to send your pawns into battle and then not tell them everything they need to know and its even worse to send them into a fight that he knows they cant win. I sympathize with bis past but not entirely with his secrecy because people are/were dying because of hus secrecy.
I completely agree. I find it SO unfair how they were treating Ozma in all of this. Total victim blaming and torture. Furthermore, when they said that Salem couldn’t be “destroyed”, Gin (or Jin) was working on past and present knowledge. Currently, you can’t “destroy” Salem, and she can’t be killed because she’s immortal (so it’s kinda like a trick question). I’m thinking Ruby’s silver eyes will play some part in stopping her Grimm side and defeating her. Most importantly, destroying Salem isn’t the priority. STOPPING her is. They bring that up later in the series, that they don’t need to destroy her to stop her, but it’s too little too late a reaction, and in this moment people’s initial reaction is anger towards Ozma (again, an incredibly unfair reaction).
For real the way the protagonists treat Ozpin/Ozma is so harsh and unfair when the guy is trying his best for something that he wasn't even responsible for. All he did in the Lost Fable was die, get revived, had a family, and got his kids killed by his wife. How exactly is this guy bad again??
@@wuttatota148 well for one he’s trying his best, but he’s dragging people into a fight they can’t win and one he has no plan for, so they’re essentially fighting and risking their lives to follow a man whose has no way or plan to defeat an immortal witch. Then there is the constant lies and half truths, which is understandable from both sides. From ozpins view, even his most trusted allies have betrayed him before so he’s hesitant with the truth, but for everyone else they’re basically expected to just trust and follow someone who isn’t telling them the truth or whole story. It’s basically you have a reason not to trust anyone, but still you’re expecting us to fight and risk our lives when we can’t trust you and don’t know when you’re lying. So it’s less like they’re blaming him for his backstory and more for lying and dragging them into what looks like a fight, one where a literal all knowing being told him he can’t defeat Salem. I mean even divide hinted at the problem brought up in the lost fable “train them to fight what they can’t beat, your sins are what they’ll pay for”. They’re being lead to fight a battle they can’t win by someone they can’t trust anymore. So I’d say they were right to be mad after the backstory was revealed
In literally anything else, the poor treatment of Oscar would either be played for laughs by having someone say “Shut up Meg" every time he opens his mouth, or played for drama to the point where he does morally questionable things that would make Ozpin look like a saint and when asked, he replies with "If you keep treating me like a monster for what he did, then why don't I act like a monster too?" Seriously, how has Oscar not turned evil yet? That would make for some intriguing AU fanfics.
This makes me think of the whole "Eventually Oscar will cease to exist and it will just be Ozpin" thing and a villain arc where Oscar's like "if this body has a dominant soul it's going to be MINE" and straight up ends Ozpin.
I am so glad you mentioned the abuse Oscar suffered through the whole show. Also did anyone else notice his skin seems lighter than when he was first introduced?
That's one thing I hate about the show's hypocrisy, according to the show it's not okay for Weiss to be abused by her father yet it's perfectly okay for Oscar to be abused by the adults around him!
@@queenrose2009 exactly!! It's a huge issue for me, because they seem to forget that Oscar himself is only 14/15. Funnily the ones who actually seem to treat oscar like his own person are the villains!
"immortality is a curse" is such a limited view, like how many cultures have immortals just chilling in their lit. Which like... Really feels weird with how cross cultural they pull from.
@North Sea Pirate If anything, it confuses me. As soon as she meets the first reincarnation, shouldn't she celebrate? Oh look, he may die but will come back reborn! Fuck, even before the Gods left, that's how it explicitly was! All she had to do *was wait for him for a couple decades*. Fucking idiot... the writers missed that loophole.
And then there's the entire Chinese pantheon of mythology with people working their way to immortality and enjoying it. "immortality is a curse" yeah so is long life but we're persuing that aren't we?
I think it's kinda silly to just blanketly call it a limited take ("immortality is a curse," that is). Rather, RWBY uses it in such a limited way. Immortality being only good or only awful or a mix or whatever...any option can be neat and wonderful and great depending on how it is used. It's limiting that they seem to use it as "assumed default," since we have so many stories from Europe or the US that use it that way. But the trope is just a trope and can be used well or not.
@@s3studios597 I did but I don't think the writer will ever potery Salam having crappy immortality the same way as how "To Your Eternity" did it. Not even having half the vibe of it
Can we just talk for a second about how the gods gave Salem the ultra mega super duper final boss version of immortality, but stuck Oz with this crappy bootleg Avatar version?
Why did they curse Salem with immortality to begin with? And why did the Gods of Light and Dark decide to give Oz the task of trying to unite humanity or else the world will be destroyed?
@@carbodude5414 Blake is more concerned with Yang than she is with Ruby and Weiss (yeah, Yang is her partner and Yang has abandonment issues, but they are all a team. Ruby and Weiss would also be affected, especially Weiss).
Volume 6 is the beginning of Team RWBY becoming unlikable jerks and its clear that its all by accident because the writers own sense of morals are pretty twisted to begin with Imagine using a magic lamp to force a guy to relive the absolute worst moments in his life and still somehow think of themselves as the wounded party. Then, a season later, Team RWBY throw a fit when Ironwood understandably wants them arrested because they took advantage of his trust and betrayed him
I think RT is horrible treating you and employees like that! I like how you pointed out how Ozma suffered. What do they expect him to be like especially after he said Leo wasn't the first to betray him? And how Jinn said YOU can't. Big on YOU that's a dead giveaway to a loophole in getting Salem!
My easy to follow step by step plan on how to retell her backstory: Give her a father who lost everything to some great disaster when Salem was a baby and thus he puts her in the tower to protect her, forever fearful that he's gonna loose her too (in this case I want to give her a bigger family: two parents and maybe a couple of older sibilings, maybe even a twin just so it hurts even more to the dude). Salem wants freedom to explore the world, all her life she has dreamt of fairytales and adventure stories she can hear sometimes (I'm assuming she can hear stuff with her magic bc I want to). So when Ozma finds her, she's all too happy to go with him. We see a montage of them going around a couple of years traveling toghether, we use that opportunity to see more of the world and it culminates with them falling in love. Ozma dies and Salem cannot deal with it, she begs her father and we get the moment when she blames the gods (Not only they took away her birth family, they also took her new one). Blah blah blah, she's cursed and all of that. Ozma reincarnates, they live toghether happily for a while. A daughter is born and Salem cannot be happier, tho we can see how much like her father she is (doesn't let her daughter out of her sight for long, doesn't let her go anywhere). We get a scene where Salem sees Ozma dying of old age, he promises to look for her in his next life and she promises to wait, their daughter is also there and it's all very sad. Next scene we see her mourning in front of two graves, Ozma didn't appeared up until after their daughter has died, and by that time Salem has been left alone again. She cannot even begin to imagine what it would be like to suffer through that anymore, so we get the whole "we conquer the humans, destroy the gods and find a way to make everybody immortal". Blah blah blah, fall of grace, into the madness as centuries pass and she isn't one bit closer to her goal. Finally she snaps, Ozma has been acting weird for a while, with each time they reunite he gets colder and colder to her, finally seeing how much of a monster her fear of being left alone has changed her (at all this, I would like her to have keepsakes of all her children. Just something small she keeps hidden away and we see a glimpse of). So fall of Salem, she decides Ozma can't be trusted anymore, so she'll make a world where she doesn't have to see her children die anymore. And if I gotta write an ending? It would be a sorta redemption for her. She can finally see what her fear has caused on everybody else and remembers the fear in the eyes of her last children (the four girls the maidens are definetly based on) and breaks down. Maybe we can have a tear jerking scene of her finally learning to not fear death, because it is only natural for all things to die, and finally going to the afterlife (also, Ozma's cicle is destroyed too and he leaves Oscar alone).
Also with Ozpin lying, it protected the ppl from the Grimm, [from feeling hopeless and afraid] who are again attracted to negative energy ugh this show
I wrote a "Why would Ozma want the gods back" question on RWBY's Headscratchers page, and asked some of these questions. I'm not sure the pre-remnant remnant was supposed to be a utopia, but it not being one calls into question Ozpin, and by extension, the heroes, whole motivation. Responses largely centered around how only the gods can stop Salem, but that lead into further questions about the Gods apparently confused motivations.
A movie-length commentary, let's gooooo! Unlike the others, I didn't catch it the first two times, hopefully this stays up long enough for me to watch the whole thing haha
I don't think it's because the video is being critical towards RWBY that's it been taken down twice for. It might be because Thomas briefly mentions the well-known mistreatment of the employees, specifically the animators, at the company via the Glassdoor reviews.
Because this video shows how incompetent the Writers of RWBY. You can't even consider them a real writers because of all those retcon and things they forgot last volume.
@@64gbdata11 But there's already tons of RWBY criticism videos from all kinds of people that go over the many awful ways the show is written and those don't get taken down. So no it's something else that made RT take down this video 3 times.
Geez I guess RT really hate it when you call them out on their b.s. and flaws huh? Can't take some criticism, but I wonder how Miles & Kerry and rest of CRWBY themselves feel about this video?
I kinda feel like Qrow's reaction was the only really understandable one (maybe Yang too); decades of dedication to a hopeless cause that has ended lives (like Summer and Leo) and connections (his with Raven and her's with her whole family) all throughout his tormented life of misfortune, he feels justified to punch Oz and not think about Oscar. It is weird he never regretted hurting Oscar or processed these complex feelings, or not tell Ironwood who would be in the same ballpark after getting so mad about it himself. I wish we got to understand what was actually going on a bit better. Did Oz and Salem's kids die by accident or was it on purpose? How did the Deity Brothers actually rule humanity; like dictators or interactive observers who just set ground rules and let things run its course? If the world was a Utopia, why was Ozma a warrior; what evils actually exist in a world controlled directly by omnipotent beings? Did the moon create Dust, or was it always there but covered up by the nature created by the deities? Are Semblances an aspect of Dust being part of Remnant's physiology as a replacement for Magic? Which one is the true source of Aura: Light or Dark? I like this theory I had that the Dark Brother just wanted to create stuff like his brother did and was really hurt that when he did create something, it tried to kill him and was completely ungrateful for his gift of Magic. It's kind of telling when he is just like "okay, here's your dead boyfriend back" that he at least wants his creations to like him OR just favor him over his 'perfect' brother; similar to the relationship between Pheineas and Ferb cartoon's Dr. Doofensmirtz (I misspelled that, I'm sure) and his brother the mayor (who was everyone's favorite from day 1) but on a cosmic scale, weird and insane comparison but I find that simplifies it enough to get the point across. It would be cool to have the Dark Brother just want his solitude to pout while his brother is playing with humanity like tinker toys, explaining that the Dark Brother wasn't around to recreate humanity so the Light Brother did it by himself and is using Oz to force his brother to come back through the Relics so they can 'fix' humanity back to what the Light Brother prefers. That's just headcanon, but I think it'd be a cool direction.
ikr? i understand why qrow would be angry, but the girls just asked that with the man it concerns right there, without any concern for what he and oscar are gonna think about it, and then get all bitchy when they can't stab their problem away (and jaune's reaction felt a bit out of character to me, man grew up in a big family and is the "tactician" of the group, apparently, shouldn't he know how to stay calm?) and, they're asking a question to this magical spirit that knows *everything*. there shouldn't have been any witheld info, everything should have been explained to us, especially as that episode hasn't been mentioned ever again outside of season 6!
@@wahoo69 I think JNR could be considered justified as well, especially Jaune; but they shouldn't have Jaune's line be "what if we have been talking to that liar" and instead said something that related to Pyrrha dying specifically for nothing, it sounds like he is more mad that he has been lied to instead that Oz effectively used and led Pyrrha to her death (just as responsible as Cinder in Jaune's eyes) and that it was basically to buy time for a endless struggle that Oz wasn't seeking a solution to. His friend, mentor, and potential love he only recognized in the last moment was struggling with destiny and was in anguish thanks to Oz's proposal that Pyrrha expressed to Jaune in Volume 3, and then died; and it never meant anything, just another cog in Oz's carefully made machine of a society. ... But Jaune didn't say that and so it does come off as more out of character because the main reason he should be mad is not mentioned here. All of JNR should be mad about Pyrrha being sacrificed but it doesn't come off that way and instead "Oz lied, he bad".
RT has always been bad at writing. Literally always. Red vs Blue is literally written through retcons. The original 5 seasons were written episode by episode, only eventually getting a plot in season 4 or 5. They retconned in the AIs, the Freelancer project, etc. RT has never substantially invested in the writing room. They get mad when you point it out. Kerry and Miles just rip off whatever anime they have seen lately. Miles was a great cinematographer when they brought him on board, then they shoved him in a room with Kerry and he devolved.
People can basically re-upload whole episodes if they're reacting [positively] to it, so what's RT's beef with this video?? It's _not_ a substitution for the original episode, it's transformative media, that is _allowed._ I sense that this is going to be a problem going forward on future RWBY videos.
It really sucks that the first video you post being more honest about your opinions on rwby keeps getting blocked. I like listening to your opinions on rwby so I hope this mess doesn't discourage you from making future videos. I hopped onto another account just so I can like this masterpiece again.
If Rooster Teeth takes this masterpiece down again I'm gonna march up to them demand them to lay off, cause this glorious video deserved to be watched!
This kind of criticism is something RWBY and Rooster Teeth needs. I can understand the constant toxic and positive side can make it difficult to see what needs work, but these have been issues that should have been looked at a long time ago. I feel bad hearing Miles kind of joke about crunch time and not see how bad it is pressuring animators to overwork themselves. I never wanted the people to overwork themselves, but I did think someone would have done something about the disorganization or the writers would go more in depth later. They need to start making actual change and show it.
You know what, I’m just gonna download this video in case it gets taken down again. That way, I can watch this at my leisure without RT being butthurt, and/or post this up on my own empty channel while giving Miss Unicorn full credit just to rustle RT’s jimmys even more because they deserve the criticism. Besides, I hadn’t been able to watch this all the way through the first and second time.
I kinda figured there was a missed opportunity to make Salem a parallel to Ruby if they leaned more into what happened to Summer, or any of the other characters that died. Salem lost someone she loved due to forces beyond her control, got upset about it and defied the larger system that caused it. In the process she becomes more monstrous and hurts more people. Ruby has lost friends and family because of Ozpin’s war against Salem. Summer probably died fighting Salem. But Ruby even though she is hurt by the loss of her mother and friends, believes in being positive and making the world a better place. This can solve a few problems, it give Ruby personal character motivation, a purpose for Summer Rose’s character, establishes a parallel between our hero and villain. Furthermore it gives us a chance to examine a way Ozpin is morally grey, by having his actions or the fact that he’s keeping things from the kids, have a personal effect on Ruby. Ruby would then have to undergo an arc where she discovers what being a hero truly means: a definition outside of what a huntsman or huntress is outside of the system that Ozpin established, outside of what she thought her mother was. Find hope in something outside of the dichotomy that Ozpin’s lies and Salem’s bleakness has created. But I mean, that’s just how I always interpreted what the song Red Like Roses Part 2 was implying with Summer’s character. It kinda has the same writing problems that you discussed at the bringing of the video where it’s like an incomplete puzzle….
Let's fix RWBY: Salem was locked up because her father saw the potential and desire for evil she possessed, Ozma thought it was a cruel act and freed her, but in doing unleashed onto the world a psychopath that went on to manipulate kingdoms into tearing themselves apart in endless wars simply because she could. In trying to stop her, he fails countless times ("I have made more mistakes than any man, woman or child"), but still feels compelled to stop her. She ends up experimenting with Grimm creatures and fuses herself with one of the dragons that have the power to spawn more Grimm and ends up achieving immortality with it. Ozma finds out about her immortality and devises a plan to seal her on the moon at the expense of all magic on the planet, so he goes on a journey to convince several kingdoms to join his side and help him defeat - not destroy - Salem. The entire world gets engulfed in the flames of war as Salem marches forward with humans and Grimm creatures on her side, but Ozma is capable of gathering up all the magic in the world and sends Salem and her most powerful Grimm to the moon, thus shattering it in the process. But the spell had the unforeseen effect of mixing up the DNA of the humans that fought in the last war with animals, thus creating the Faunace, and giving humanity the ability to manipulate their souls in the form of Auras and Semblances. Ozma is the only human left on the remnants of the old earth that can still use magic. In this case, Ozma doesn't possess the bodies of random people, but he combines his Aura with magic to bypass death, essentially by putting his soul in a pocket dimension (aura control) as he garners enough magic to reconstruct his body over several months or years. After seeing what the world had become, with Faunace being treated like monsters despite being the heroes that fought alongside him to save the world, the moon shattering causing several environmental damages to the planet and humanity changing in ways he couldn't deal with, he becomes secluded in his old farm away from any human contact until the maidens appear. Meanwhile, Salem finds a way to bring people to the moon via her new Grimm creations, and the war between the two immortals continues to this day. There! Now Ozpin has something to hide - he was responsible for the world being the shit hell it is, but he also isn't evil as he was just trying to do the right thing but being ultimately unable to prevent all the suffering!
I.. actually love this. - Koschei the Deathless! Salem - Lich! Ozpin - The twisting of the Rapunzel fable - Potential for nuance in the detailed writing
Now that you mention it, it's gonna feel weird knowing that Infinite is gonna be the first Halo game that likely won't be majorly incorporating Red vs Blue. So few of the original VAs have stuck around (or were kept around) to voice their characters, and what few people work with the series at all are absolutely stuck on Halo 5 and barely even use machinima anymore
A lot of the story fix suggestions sound pretty interesting. I think in addition to what was brought up, something that could improve Ozma and Salem's story would be if they'd gotten to know eachother by exchanging letters before finally meeting and trying to have their happy ending together. It wouldn't even necessarily need to have Salem physically trapped in her tower since there're a decent number of other reasons she could be stuck in a life she isn't satisfied with, which would head off any questions on why she didn't just magic herself out on her own. It gives them more time to build a relationship while still being the sort of thing that could be abridged into a fairytale. To build up the story there could be bits and pieces of the story retold and distorted into actual fairytales characters know and mention before we're shown the actual events. That way there fairytale theming would still be present while still showing a fully fleshed out narrative grounding the plot. Contrast between shortened fables and a more realistic, unabridged depiction of the events they're based on seems like it'd fit right in thematically, especially with how the backstory was intended to be a subversion of fairytale endings in the first place. The whole 'Oz is bad' plotline made more sense through early fan theories discussing the initial ethics of the secret maiden stuff with pressuring a teenager into something without full knowledge of the greater ramifications of it but the more the show tried to do stuff with it the less sense it really made. There's still reason for some characters to be upset about some of the choices Oz made and having good reasons for withholding information doesn't mean there wouldn't be some hurt and betrayal over not knowing the full context of why various characters have risked their lives, been harmed or died for things they didn't fully understand. However, using it to open a discussion about there sometimes not being any 'good' choice or appropriate target for your anger over things that have caused you harm and the various ways characters try to deal with situations like that throughout the show would've been more compelling than all the narrative contortions going on to have everyone hate on Oz and by extension Oscar as if everything he did was universally terrible unless the narrative decides that it isn't. Another issue is how Salem's so evil and destructive it's hard to justify people allying with her of their own volition without seeming nonsensical like the whole situation with Hazel. Her immortality and the grimm might be enough to get things done but it limits the writing options on the antagonist end of the story, which in turn makes it difficult to maintain compelling narrative themes relating to the central conflict.
Exactly. Ozma is a victim and treated as a bad guy and i hate it so much. Team rwby made Ozma relive his trauma. He watched himself get yeeted between life and death, watched himself get brutally burned by his wife, and watched his kids die by the aftermath of their fight. Team rwby saw all this and they saw this man get thrusted into an entirely new world with a nigh impossible mission of uniting humanity, and the first thing they do is lash out at him?? Not even a *shred* of sympathy, how are these guys even heroes they're such horrible people. And it's not like Ozpin has a sht reason for keeping secrets. Remember when he told Salem everything? He told her the mission he was entrusted with of uniting humanity and the relics that was scattered throughout Remnant. What is Salem doing with that information now? Oh right she's dividing humanity and collecting the relics for herself. Ozma also once entrusted Lionheart with his secrets and look what happened, the man is actually a spy for Salem. Remember Raven who Ozpin also trusted? What did she do after she learned the truth? Yep. She betrayed Ozpin. So yes team rwby, i think Ozpin has a valid reason for not telling a bunch of highschool students his secrets
I'm glad someone restated my argument to my friends about why i hated how the main characters all dogpiled Ozma about why he's horrible for not being completely honest and spilling his eons of pain and suffering to a bunch of teenagers he's just met. Sure Ruby doesn't know why she has silver eyes, but she can definitely understand that Ozma has existed since paradise and currently losing his soul as he continually reincarnates because he has to kill his bae who happens to be immortal because the god of light and 1/2 creator of the world personally told him to while he was floating between limbo and non existence. That sounds incredibly believable.
Made me realize how much I made my own story about a woman who men are constantly trying to limit and regulate so she lashes out wickedly because she sees that as her only means to express autonomy over her life.
Hope you kept the file this time in case third time's not the charmxD It'd be a shame if you had to re-edit this, again, like seriously that's UA-camr Purgatory
Too anyone thinking "how can they complain about fairy-tale logic for an hour". The Girl in the Tower is a fairytale in the world of RWBY true, But Jinn's power is to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the Truth. So this episode is the Historical events that actually happened to inspired such myth/s and thus this episode need to be more grounded in the real. something tells me that RT doesn't like you showing the animators anonymous reviews of their work place.
I love rwby even thou i know its not as good as it was set up to be...i feel that one of rwbys problems is that they have so many diffrent themes shoved into one world that iultomatly it dosent have tine to flesh any of them out...i feel rwby would be much better if they picked a few themes and have all charcters be connected to them..it would make it feel more substantial ..in my opinion but im a novice writtet so take this with a pich of salt
Yeah.. I have so many issues with Salem because Roosterteeth has barely developed her. And their excuse is that they're withholding information to make things more mysterious. But I can't really empathize with Salem, I can't even look at her and be like "Wow, what a bitch." I just don't feel anything for this character. And it sucks, because I really want to.
I think the most unintentionally heartbreaking part about ozma/oz as a whole is...he doesn't fight back. He could get angry there, and he would be justified in hitting back, talking back, yelling and insulting them back. But he doesn't, he just submits to being hated and treated as if he's somehow a villain for not wanting to talk about an inherently traumatic past as if he's used to it or he believes he is the monster they're saying he is
I hope this doesn't get taken bown, AGAIN! This was a good video and it's the studio's fault for having so many flaws narrative wise. It's a great breakdown and you shouldn't be penalize.
For now on I'll only accept the headcanon that the father knew she was evil from the start or something. And everyone else is just stupid. Ozma let out a feral monster and the dumbass gods gave it laser powers OR evertthing jin said was bs and she was just bored. But she showed ozpin the actual stuff to fuck with him. And this gods, the jin, just wanted to fuck shit up. Like a sims player
There are, quite literally, FIVE-YEAR OLD videos of full RWBY episodes reuploaded on UA-cam, and RT takes this down for copyright THREE times? Yeah . . . not suspicious at all.
Well thanks to the fairy tale episodes, the verdict is in. Salem was selfish and manipulative from the start. Her father wasn't really cruel or evil. He was just over protective and wanted to keep her safe after the loose of his wife. As a 16 year old, she figured out a way to get a message to the outside world and invited anyone who can to come and kill her father and free her. I don't know about anyone else, but that story did not instill any new sympathy in me for the character. Reminded me of Cinder's story.
Third time's the charm One thing that always bothered me even before I realized how bad this episode and RWBY in general is why is his name Ozma in the past? This implies that he just takes up the name of the next person he reincarnates as; the last one with no hint of another person inside of him must have been named Ozpin. But then why do the villains call him Ozpin? They know that his original name is Ozma and that Ozpin is just some random guy. And why do the main characters still call him Ozpin too now that they know Ozpin was some innocent victim? No one even thinks of who that other guy was. Ozma doesn't even seem to care about his death, and no one thinks that as telling that Ozma truly doesn't care about the lives he ruins through possession
Because he's not Ozma, he's Ozpin. The personality of the new body doesn't go away, it gets blended into the whole. So he's not the same man he was originally, and not even the same as the incarnation before Ozpin. The villains are still using the name "Ozpin" rather than "Oscar" because they didn't know his new name yet, and that's who they've been against for decades. It's likely they would gradually switch over after time.
@@Mirality That's a sound theory and sounds plausible with what we know, but I don't think it was ever explicitly shown. This is just what Thomas was talking about. RWBY is so vague in its storytelling that viewers just fill in the holes on their own and take their view as cannon. This way, plot holes are filled without CRWBY even doing any work to make sure their story makes sense. It would be nice if your theory was confirmed, though.
likely cause he learned how to "live with the souls" and said "I am changed, but my memories stay with me." So post-merge the soul will go by Oscar, theoretically, Oscar being the change and retaining the memories, but still being merged. The souls become each other
In any case guess who's rewriting Volume 8 lol
Great, I can't wait to see what you come up with. Just a quick question though, do you plan on keeping Penny as a robot?
Let's hope it stays up this time, fingers crossed.
Can't wait to see what u do
Ummm....the Celtic Phoenix?
Good luck! I tried to just think about doing it and started running in problems started back in volume 7, then volume 6 and in the end of that train of thought I was having to rewrite the entire show so I gave up lmao
I'm curious to see how it will turn out!
This really is just Salem and Ozma make their divorce everyone's problem.
Edit: My most liked youtube comment is about a cartoon divorce. Nice lol
And as an excuse to abuse Oscar.
@@queenrose2009 Don't even get me wrong. I LIKE the show and this video is great.
@@caseyspark2019 I understand, I just don't like seeing poor Oscar being abuse for stuff that wasn't even his fault. Not to mention the fact that Ozpin didn't even do anything wrong in the first place. It makes his abuse so hard to watch.
You nailed it
That’s how I’m going to summarise the series from now on
Oh wow now that you mention it, Ozpin really did get victim blamed, and Oscar really did get abused
This does NOT portray our heroes in a good light at ALL
You know Ozma dying from an illness shows that despite being a powerful wizard or whatever he's still a mortal. Even wizards can die from an illness. Besides it probably wasn't the common cold that killed him, it could've been any disease: Cancer, tuberculosis, leukemia, pneumonia, or a heart disease. The list goes on. Plus Salem's been cooped up in a tower all her life do you expect her to know a wizard doctor? Besides there are some things magic can't fix.
36:06 Imagine if the random dude was in the middle of a duel with Grimm when Oz awakens in his mind and, due to the resulting confusion, proceeds to immediately get mauled to death, causing Oz to reincarnate again.
It would be like something off of South Park
RT can’t handle the truth!
Let’s all pray this isn’t taken down!
Okay wtf.
Seriously RT?
That's twice now you've done this.
DO not turn into one of those people who just take down video's because someone took your story and made it better.
I've yet to watch this video due to not having the time or mood for it.
I know it will have good points and be interesting to watch as they always are from here.
But RT stop taking it down and forcing them to reupload it's starting to annoy me.
I like RWBY, and as a person who enjoys writing I too see the flaws in a lot of the writing, like Ironwood or volume 7.
Heck I made a rewrite for it that simple has Team RWBY, JNOR and ironwoods forces go their seperate ways.
Jaune and Nora going with Ruby's team.
Ren and Oscar staying with Ironwood,
Qrow would do the same, while Robin would be imprisoned.
there's some emotional conflict here and there, not sure about Penny getting the winter maiden powers vs winter getting them.
Ironwood was always going to be the villain
@@ryanmoore6259 Who said that, RT? Companies lie all the time. And even if they did that doesn't mean it was executed well.
Rooster Teeth has every right to take down content they deem violates their own guidelines for posting their content. Whining about it like you're entitled to have free access to anything owned by Rooster Teeth just shows a lack of maturity.
@@ryanmoore6259 Villian from one view is a hero from another.
@@tamiej.5558 I mean it was, the only thing that was slightly out of character was his petty killing of Jacques and I just chalk that up to him losing his mind by that point. Everything else had been set up as far back as Volume 2.
Ozzie-Osborne-glasses Ozpin is my favorite design of the original three volumes. It’s just the right amount of attractive, mysterious, comfortable, and professional. His only fight, at the end against Cinder, made the magic look so fucking cool.
It sort of hurts to think about the current show, as I used to love RWBY so fiercely, but after volume 3 it felt wrong to me. I suppose that’s what happens when you lose a show’s creator. I’ll always look back fondly on my memories of early Ruby, but it feels like the Rooster Teeth I looked up to in my youth isn’t really here anymore.
Also, please stop punching Oscar. He doesn’t deserve this.
It really does suck he jobbed to Cinder through the power of off screen bullshit.
time to put this on in the background cause I watched it both other times and I want to give this channel watch time while leaving a comment for the algorithm. Goddamit RT can you stop taking down this genuinely good video that fairly points out the flaws and things you did well??
I would have switched Ozma and Salem's backstories slightly.
Wouldn't it make more sense to curse re-incarnation through possession to the one who can't understand the importance of life and death (make this person see the pain of someone close to you dying over and over again.)
And the person who's supposed to bring the cursed one back to sanity with eternal life in their own body.
Good video. I don't think I've actually seen someone break down the flaws of'The Lost Fable'. I've seen people review episodes one by one of course,by not a deep dive analysis of a specific episode like this. Maybe one of the next RWBY videos you do could be about how inconsistent and underdeveloped the magic systems of Aura/Dust/Sembalances are and how this negatively affects the plot,worldbuilding, and characters(both inside and outside of battle) And one about how the role of huntsmen in RWBY is poorly fleshed out.(what are huntsmen expected to do and know outside of fighting Grimm?How strong is the average huntsmen?etc.)
Seriously,one of the reasons why the introduction of Maidens and magic didn't have much an impact for the audience is because prior to that the show had never really fleshed out how the previous stuff worked and what the limits of it were and so magic just came off as either unimpressive or people genuinely mistaked it for another Sembalance because up to that point,there was all kinds of esoteric shit that they were capable of doing. I think the example of a lot of people thinking that the Branwen twins ability to turn into crows was just another part of their Sembalance instead of a magic ability demonstrates that issue.
They should've used the school setting to properly develop the Aura/Dust/Sembalance magic systems and establish the huntsmen career as a fleshed out worldbuilding element.The crappy way that RWBY used it's fantasy school setting could make for another decent-length video in and of it itself.And one that would be pretty unique, as I've not seen people specifically talk about the problems with how RWBY utilized the fantasy school setting.
Also...WTF RT?! WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM WITH THIS VIDEO????!!!! YOU'VE NUKED IT TWICE AT THIS POINT.STOP IT! It's suspicious that RT is paying this much attention to this video when there's plenty of criticism videos about RWBY.
I feel like the Huntsmen/Huntresses are going the way that "rank scaling" does in a lot of shonen anime/manga like Naruto or Bleach. They try to make the rank sound impressive to give the characters something to aspire to, but then the only people we see in that rank are either super special prodigies or barely noteworthy fodder. If you say "this person is super special and talented" every time you show someone in that rank being awesome, and any other time when it's *not* a main or supporting cast member they look like trash, then the rank itself becomes meaningless as a measure of skill.
Early on in the series it's treated as though "Being extremely skilled" and "being a Huntsman/Huntress" are synonymous. We see the main rookie characters being awesome, but then we see what their senior students (like CFVY) and people on the professional level (like Qrow and Winter) can do, and it's like "Okay, so that's where the characters need to be if they expect to be Huntresses." Except then it goes on to show us many, many examples of professional Huntsmen who are just trash. People who are basically no more effective than the regular Atlas soldiers who *don't* use aura or have any other specialized training. It renders the entire rank meaningless because they've made it clear that the specific examples of amazing feats we've seen are just because the individuals in question are extremely skilled, rather than because you need to reach that level to become one.
@@VenathTehN3RD You did a good job of laying out a problem with the huntsmen as a worldubuilding element that I think a lot of people,even critics of the show, tend to overlook. I also think the other half of what makes the role of huntsmen meaningless is not just because we have no idea how skilled the average one is or has to be,but what they're expected to do/know outside of fighting Grimm.Are they expected to work with the local law enforcement if the situation requires it?Is it part of their jurisdiction or not to hunt down rogue/criminal Aura Users?What about the skills that they're expected to know as part of their job? What hierarchy do the huntsmen outside of Atlas answer to? How much salary do they earn and how do they earn it?(Huntsman have to be doing something in order to pay for basic necessities they need to live) What are the rules/guidelines huntsmen have to follow,if any?
The show doesn't give context for any of that and that makes the role worthless because huntsmen only superficially look like they're a part of a lived-in setting,but if you look closer it's a puddle deep,like most things in RWBY when it comes to the writing. By the time RWBY are made official huntresses in Vol 7 it comes off as underwhelming and an afterthought by the writers. Even after they do become official,their new status doesn't change anything about their dynamic either as a team or when interacting with others.And the sad part is that they had the perfect writing device in the first few seasons to address this: Beacon. Like I said, RWBY really has the worst use of a fantasy school setting I've seen.
@@VenathTehN3RD Yeah. And more since for what I’ve gathered from other reviews it seemed that even in the first volumes when Monty was alive the writers and the animators were so separated it makes sense that now is way more easier to see the holes. Before the cool fights could make up and was a show with cool fights and basic personae but now it got way too convoluted by not stopping and trying to show the audience the why something is a way or how we should be amazed our heros can take a huntsmen down or a soldier.
I wanted to thank you for making this and other videos. I've gotten into your work through Winx Club, and only recently have started to approach the RWBY stuff. The Flawed Foundation part contained a particularly poignant point that describes my relationship with the series perfectly: "It's why people walk away with such aggressively different interpretations of the show and its characters, because clarity has never been a priority for RWBY". It allowed me to recognize that the character and readings I cherished most came from as much - or even more from - my own feelings and interpretations as from what the show contained.
I love what I got out of it, as I enjoy the process of construction, but I'm glad to see the faults in the writing exposed. There is something particularly soul-crushing about this entire situation: first the fans are given the basic outline to work with, forcing them to engage their own storytelling and fill in the blanks, and then the inevitable betrayal when the source material takes such a sharp turn for the mediocre. By no means am I trying to argue that any medium has an obligation to follow the path set for it by fans, but when the charting of this path is the only way to actually engage with the show and see something meaningful in it, there is no good end in sight for people who love the given medium. I think of the queerbaited fans forced to contend with scraps for no reason, of Ironwood fans who still held out hope after Volume 8 only for his death to be confirmed in an answer specifically to a question to a fan's hope.
It’s ridiculous that RT keeps fucking this video. This is a fantastic video and ive lost a lot of faith in RT since they’ve started to block this video. Keep up the good work my guy!
They could have made a whole spin-off series out of Salem and Ozpin's backstory. (RT, please don't make me comment this again!)
wow again? im sorry this happened to you twice! i hope this one can stay up! listening to you talk is always fun!
Thanks for your bravery to keep uploading this vid! I kept missing it bc it was on my watch later playlist, but today dropped everything to watch this! 🍵👀
Here's a little fanfic rewrite of mine. What if Ozma was known as the Beast Wizard of the Seasons. He has the powers of fall, winter, spring, and summer, and also the ability to shapeshift into any animal in the world. When Salem later suggests to him that they should replace humans with what they could never be, her and Ozpin get together and try to create a stronger humanity by transferring Ozpin's best powers onto humans, creating the Faunus. It's a much better explanation than just "Now there were Faunus" don't you think?
Fan service foundation AKA "Rooster teeth" doesn't like this video because criticism based on what they've been given is seen as hates speech, they may be misinterpreting the video, but that is the least likely outcome. Personally I hate every volume outside of 1 and 2, not because Monty died, but because they took something that could have been great, and forgot what it was supposed to be. Each member of team RWBY has more character development in those volumes than every character in the past 6 volumes as of 2021. Each character motivation was ultimately destroyed by V6 besides Ospin, and we don't care about him. Hazel died, Emerald doesn't matter to anyone, Qrow might as well kill himself by now, Robin doesn't matter to anyone, Colonel Sanders died, Ren and Nora wouldn't matter outside of each other. Hell, Rooster Teeth sacrificed a loving, caring sibling relationship between Ruby and Yang, for 'da gays'. Cinder is a bad, villain with a useless backstory. Tiryan is just the Joker, Luigi died, and Mercury has disappeared. Now the 'heroes' are on the Madagascar set, and I will bet you my left pinky finger that Ice-cream is gonna be "switching sides."
Can I just say I love your essay videos? I watch a lot of them but you're among my favorites, you explain things very well and clearly, plus I love your humor lmao
When I saw Ravens name in the video, I had to take a full minute to remember who she even was, holy crap she's that forgettable
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Re commenting for the algorithm!
This is really well put together! I really agree with everything you said, while I’m someone who still enjoys watching RWBY, the writer in me absolutely hates the show. This was really good at pointing out the faults of the writing. Thank you for compiling this!
I guess the moral of the story is, go read a well written fanfiction if you want a good plot.
Getting a like JUST became you mention the Tales of series.
Bruhhhhhh
This is one of my new favorite comfort essay vudeo
three days up! Hooray!
After the rewrite an animatic comic an be commissioned and later voiced.
An interesting thing is ozma asking "how do I destroy Salem" shows 2 key issues in how he said it... May be intentional. Maybe he isn't the 1 who can do it and maybe she can't be "destroyed". Heck if they were good writers I would give them the benefit of the doubt saying his phycological state led him to thinking I "I have to get rid of her and have to do it alone since it is the job the gods gave me"... BUUUUUT it's RT so I am not hopeful on that.
RWBY if the gods just killed salem instead of giving her immortality:🌹🌹❤️❤️😍😍🥰😘💕🎶
I thought that Ozma died from a plague.
I watched this the first time and really loved the video. So I watched it again the next day. Now I'm commenting in hopes that it won't be completely buried by RT who can't handle people legally using footage of RWBY to critique their shit writing and terrible show running.
You know I never really thought too much about Ozma's reincarnation thing before this video and you're completely right in that it is unnecessarily cruel, especially since all Ozma had done up til that point was die. In fact, I think the gods should have cursed Salem to reincarnate instead of just being immortal/unkillable. Seems like it would have been a better way to teach her about the importance of life & death/getting over loss by having her live multiple different lives. But what do I know, I sniff glue for a living.
Yep, the gods suck and made completely cruel and arbitrary decisions. Not unlike the Greek gods.
To be fair, they did give Ozma a choice before letting him go back, and they did tell him that what he was hoping for wouldn't happen, but they didn't give him enough information to make a rational decision.
Pass the glue homie, let me hit some of that shit
@@Mirality True, though at the same time it does kinda feel like the God of Light kinda coerced him into it. Like he tried to thrust this grand mission of "fixing mankind" on Ozma, who reasonably refused so that he may rest in the afterlife where he assumes his dearly beloved is. Then the God of Light just butts in all; "Oh actually, funny story, she's not currently there lol." Like clearly he knows that saying that will instantly get Ozma on board, no questions asked at the point (such as asking exactly how this reincarnation works, I just recently rewatched Lost Fable and not once does the God of Light bother explaining exactly how it will work to Ozma). Even the warning of "That she's not like how you remember." feels half-hearted, as if the God of Light already knows that Ozma doesn't care about that and just wants to see Salem again no matter what. Feels kinda like a scummy thing for a creator god to do, but when looking at all the shit the Greek gods did this is pretty tame by comparison. Poor Ozma, you don't deserve any of this.
Yep. Honestly, the whole thing with the gods mostly feels like two kids that have decided they're bored with this game now and just want to go home. As the God of Light said, the whole planet and its people were just an experiment to them. Trying to project "Christian God" properties onto them is the real mistake, they're clearly not intended to follow that model.
@@Mirality Yeah that's fair, guess my brain is just wired so that when it sees any sort of 'divine' being in media to assume its something similar. Honestly at this point I just wonder what the writers are gonna end up doing with the two, if they have anything more planned for them at all. My best guess is that Remnant rejects the gods after they are summoned by all four relics coming together because they do not need them anymore to be 'whole'/'complete'. But for now we won't know til the end of the show, which I have no clue when that's gonna happen but probably not for a long while.
Its almost unnerving how everyone villiainizes Oz for basically being a domestic abuse victim. He tried to get away from said crazy wife, was murdered for it and didnt want to share this personal trauma with the world... the horror... how dare her
Isn't Salem an abuse victim too?
Yes but you can be both a victim and an abuser
Oz has yet to do anything wrong. Change my mind.
@@thespy6707 He literally took over the world with Salem. And the shit with Pyrrha
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 So?.. did he do it wrongly?. Last I checked they were worshipped because they protected people from the grimm. LITERALLY saving towns and people. Salem wanted to rule the world. Oz wanted to unite it. Seems like a decent guy to me.
Pyrrha also had a choice. Could have said no at any time.
42:50 "All characters are victims of the writers"
Someone, some time ago: "RWBY has no characters, RWBY has plot victims".
I'm so glad you brought up how messed up the scene with team rwby teaming up againt Ozma after his story was shared was. It was were the show lost me and made me unlike the characters. I thought I was the only one who felt like that. The show frames it like you should hate this guy who went through all these horrible events because he didn't share them. Specially when Oscar, kneeling and crying, reaches up to the team with his hand, pleading them to stop hurting him when he was also hurt emotionally, and they just look down on him with disgust.
Him covering up Gretchen's death, manipulating society from the shadows including religious suppression so he could keep the Maidens to himself, spurning Merlot, etc etc. He's not as bad as Salem and certainly not the gods but he's not innocent either.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 where was it established that he covered up Gretchen's death? I thought Hazel's issue was that she died under Ozpin at all.
And no one expressed any issue with Oz hiding the maidens they agreed with that. Because considering Cinder was after them they really had no reason to disagree.
Can't comment on Merlock don't even know who that is
Of the sins Oz actually committed, I see few
@@xacmashe3852 I said it seems like he would do that, it's weird Hazel accepts the narrative Oz gave Oscar.
Helping Salem murder people to begin with and doing nothing about Faunus oppression are some big ones. Having superpowered thugs at his beck and call that he's probably used to quell dissent, especially the WF. Pressuring Pyrrha into becoming a Maiden.
Don't care what the characters think, it's still wrong to keep these superpowered beings under one man's control. He also hid a religion and I can't imagine how that went.
Merlot is the bad guy in the Grimm Eclipse game, he wants to make Grimm intelligent and docile enough to serve humans as to end the endless war between man and monster. The rest of the world rejected him and Ozpin sends RWBY to destroy his work. Oz doesn't want to help humanity and it's incredibly apparent throughout the story.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Where was it shown that he helped murder people? And what exactly was he supposed to do about Faunus oppression? Regardless of his power, he's only one man. Faunus were already being oppressed, locked in cages when he first showed up in the world. And considering Faunus are now being admitted into schools, have their own "nation", and are capable of being headmasters I'd say there's definitely been some progress.
The Maiden, from the little we've seen from them, seem to be completely independent. Ozpin's secret society offers them protection. That's it.
And Merlot doesn't matter. Grimm Eclipse is a bad, non-cannon videogame.
@@mistman_161 He helped Salem conquer the world when they reunited?
Dude is an immortal wizard with vast magical powers and control of the warrior caste responsible for keeping humanity alive. He has connections upon connections, his resources should be practically limitless.
He admits Faunus into schools but fights against their attempts at liberation. The epitome of virtue-signalling.
Tell that to Fria and the Summer Maiden.
He popped up in Amity Arena, he's as canon as the novels that contain canon information. The game sucks but I like his motivation, design less so.
You know what I just realized, this whole story of a guy coming in to save a girl trapped inside a tower is reminiscent of rapunzel but it really reminded me of Shrek.
Shrek literally makes fun of a story like this and wipes his ass with it in the first 2 minutes of the movie.
A weird thought I know.
Just showing that
GOOD WRITING MAKES *ANYTHING* WORK
Shrek shits on Salem is an incredible take
The difference between Shrek and The Lost Fable is that the former(with the exception of the third movie) had decent to good writing and something meaningful to say.
@@infinitedreamer9359
In my opinion, the Shrek series is a trilogy
Shrek, Shrek 2 and Shrek Forever After
That OTHER movie does not exist, and every copy deserves to be destroyed.
@@beastmaster0934 Not disagreeing with you there.That movie is a piece of trash.
Salem: So scary, so dangerous.
Also Salem: *lives for centuries or even longer in a cabin in the woods doing absolutely nothing*
She wasn't dangerous until you place the doormat before her, Oz made her go on a rampage, more than once, first by dying like an idiot, when there should have been healers friggin everywhere, next by rejecting instead of dissuading her from world domination, something she came up with by trying to make a world safer for her husband and children, maybe researching immortality and shit to keep them along longer... you don't even need to rule the whole world, just a tiny part, like a kingdom, ruling the world means you are responsible for it, and no one is that commited.
Are you trying to blame Ozpin for fucking dying to a disease? Acting like he wanted to die and didn’t try to stop it? Also Ozpin had no issue with the world domination he had an issue with her implying she would commit genocide for her children. I personally don’t think that’s what she meant but that’s a way it could be taken and was my initial thought upon hearing her proposal also she was infected by Grimm mud so she honestly could have been legit about wanting to end all of humanity due to that corruption.
it all slotted into place for me when you said "salem wants her fairytale ending with ozma, but she needs to understand life and death"
it would literally fix her entire character - hell, the entire show even - if salem was dead set on getting her fairytale ending no matter what AND she would be a fantastic foil to ruby who slowly has to accept through the course of the show that you can't get a fairytale ending because it's unrealistic, but you can still live a happy life
BATHE in the Salt of Rooster Teeth. They high key mad at this video because you are 200000% right I’m subscribing.
I like how the gods caused a problem for all of humanity by allowing Salem to live and made it ONLY their problem, by giving them the "bring the relics together and we will judge humanity's ability to unite against the problem that we caused" crap. The gods are the real villains of the series but CRWBY is committed to convincing you that it's fuckin Ironwood or something.
The gods in RWBY universe are assholes indeed. However, it's kinda dissapointing because conflict between protagonist and an omnipotent (or at least pretty damn potent) god is pretty difficult to write in not cheesy way. CRWBY clearly won't be able to. So i guess, because Ruby is not allowed to loose in her own series, she'll manage to unite humanity and pass the god's test at the last moment or whatever...
Though i personally would prefere different kind of busted ending. Let our girl go full Megaten, rejecting gods to dope soundtrack, while her sister punches gods in a face really hard or something!
@@user-dn1nh3zu6h Cringe
Ironwood is also bad
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 killing god is never cringe
@@mercury2157 The way the guy worded it was pretty Reddit
The legend himself, Hirohiko Araki, said something to the tune of "note a metric fuckton of info about the character's life and personhood. You won't use all of it in the story, but it informs how the character functions and should be written - so people will notice if you don't do the work"
And hearing you talk about Salem just drives home how right he was
Again, because RT keeps taking down this video:
The fundamental problem with this episode is that it raises more questions than answers. It gives a basic run down on how Salem and Ozpin got to where they are at the beginning of the story, but didn't really go into any more depth than that.
It forgot their motivations, how did remnant repopulate with humans, when did the God of Darkness create Grimm if they are nowhere to be seen before he leaves, why did the God of Light create the Relics, how did silver eyed warriors become a thing, where did Faunas come from, where did dust, aura, and semblances come from, and SO many more questions.
It's amazing how it took six years to give such basic information. And it was boring, unsatisfying, and didn't really answer a lot of questions people had about the lore. They really should have made this episode into two parts or something.
Seriously all of this I want to know who all these things happened RT I WANT ANSWERS
More than two parts hell this entire chapter could warrant a separate series. RWBY: Lost Fables RT could take this and answer all your questions and more (assuming they know how without half-assed writing)
They left some things out on purpose because this is only things Oz knew. Ruby's question was "What is Oz hiding from us?" Not "What is the entire history of remnant." So it fits perfectly fine with gaps because anything Oz didn't know wouldn't be shown.
@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla That rings hollow when a good portion of the episode takes place during or after his death. Djinn took the time to tell Salem's side of the story even though Ozma wasn't present for it. There's no excuse for this.
Exactly. Its just lackluster storytelling like the entire series. Shallow surface deep content.
Random thought if they wanted Ozpin morally grey, wouldn't it be easier just to reveal that he is responsible for Raven becoming the Spring Maiden? It seems like it would take less assets then The Lost Fable and make Yang have a reason to hate him.
Makes more sense than her getting pissy at Oz giving Raven and Qrow the ability to transform into birds. And they agreed to it and it didn't hamper them at all.
@@JayRedGear Because giving people the power to fly at will is EVIL!!!!!
@@millerjames908
Mermaid Man (or Yang's mind): EVIL!!!!!!!
But hey, we need Yang and Blake, Weiss and Ruby to be the flawless, infallible protagonists.
So the likelihood of that ever happening is that of a fever dream.
@@JayRedGear I don't get it, that sounds exclusively beneficial.
You know, as a person who is not into Rwby and therefore I have no clue on what is going in this series and it’s plot points and basic context, seeing Oscar constantly get beaten up and harassed by the characters when he looks so young can really seem like visible depiction of physical child abuse to me.
As someone who watched the show, it makes me uncomfortable.... the other characters get beat up but it's just him specifically that gets focused on being abused. I understand it's because he has Oz in him or whatever, but can't there be another way without writing him just getting beat up??
@@Starbonsai I know right? Like honestly, it feels like it's just there for the sake of shock value and "being mature". They could easily tone it down just a little bit and still get the message across that no one likes Oz.
This looks like RT can't take honest criticism and using copyright to try and censure your video, they truly are the worst.
That doesn’t make sense when there’s less honest critics out there with crappy critiques with their videos not being taken down. More likely this is just a dumb bot going haywire and targeting this video since most companies don’t actually have people who make the copyright claims just automated bots
@@rhymenoceros3303 It's not like it would be the first time a company has tried to snuff out honest criticism of their products using copyright strikes and It's all about reach. If you're platform is big enough to reach enough people and considering how valuable rwby is to RT given their state being rwby is their only golden goose right now, you don't think they'd want to protect that investment at all cost? You make what I'm saying sound so conspiratorial when there is a very real precedent of what I'm saying as it's happened many many times before to other creators. There's a reason why the saying is UA-cam hates creators. Either the algorithm TOS screws you over even if you're video is far use legally or it cow tows to a rich Corp that doesn't like your video and tries to copyright strike/claim it. So it's not farfetched to think that RT is cracking down when Unicorn of War's other videos on rwby weren't constantly blocked like this before. It's a high possibility at the least.
@@EndlessDreamer448 except there’s been no other RWBY videos being blocked as far as I know, not to mention Unicorn is one of the few reviewers who’s honest and doesn’t hate monger or give bad faith criticism. It doesn’t make sense to target them specifically let alone a video on Volume 6 when we’re already up to Volume 9 now. My guess is that what’s going on is that the bot is detecting too much RWBY content and mistaking the video as the full episode or something. As I said most companies don’t actively seek out videos to copyright, they just use automated bots that just mark videos on as set of criteria like “if video plays audio clip for longer then 5 minutes”. RT does not censor criticism and if they did start doing it they wouldn’t start with Unicorn.
@@rhymenoceros3303 I'm just saying not to rule out malicious intent cause I've seen it happen before. I find it strange that this is a problem now when it wasn't before but only time will tell.
@@EndlessDreamer448 fair enough I’m just saying to keep an open minded and not turn it into an us vs them thing because then the less savory parts of the fandom pounces on that and starts spreading lies and hearsay. I’ll definitely keep an eye out and if it’s something bad I’ll call RT out but if it’s not then let’s just move on and not try to make a mountain out of mole hill.
I think my last holdout of hope with the show was Neo's revenge. I'd had to believe that she was pretending to work with Cinder because she saw the maiden powers and knew she couldn't take her alone. Otherwise I mean...it'd be like the Cinder completely changed her mind and redirected her revenge onto Ruby in about 3 sentences. And the insight we presumed she had in targeting Cinder was a farce. But I guess the song was good.
@Emma Petersen Well Miles and Kerry love with Cinder and her voice actress, of course they gonna make those heroes and neo, NERFed so hard and act dumb to make Cinder competent and worthy.
Sadly the writers forgot about that plot point 😭😭
Why does RT hate this video? It’s a great essay I’d love it if you did a full on rewrite of Salam and Oz’s backstories considering your points here
Probably because it calls them out for treating their animators like they're in a dead end sweatshop.
@@vimtocat1741 Disgusting in this day and age we still treat our animators, programmers and nasic workers like rubbish, they're the reason for the product getting made! You'd think you'd treat them better to make the product 10x greater
@@PaintSplashProductions because capitalist my friend.
Criticism not welcome, I guess.
@@vimtocat1741 tbh F rooster teeth at this point.
So unfair that this video keeps getting gutted for the amount of views and engagement it really deserves, especially with all the work and hours you poured into this. I for one, really am loving this more analytical writer's approach you're taking with RWBY, and am all for it. While it definitely ruffles more feathers up high, if this is where you want to take your content you have my utmost support.
Which is why I will continue to rewatch it every time it has to be re-uploaded
I dont think the reason it keeps being taken down is because it's more critical. If that were true,true, there a whole bunch of critical RWBY videos that also would be targeted. I think there's another reason for this.
@@infinitedreamer9359 Yeah. My only guess is probably that Thomas brought up the Glassdoor reviews, and that hit a nerve with this particular RT employee?
@@SwitchbackCh It wouldn't surprise me at all if RT wanted to cover up their well-known mistreatment of employees. It's one of the main reason's they're going down the drain as a company.
@@oliviaspring9690 with u on that one
The character's hate towards Ozpin was so undeserved. These idiots act like he's the worst for not sharing his entire backstory like they are obligated to know. Clearly, he was emotionally broken at not only his memories being forced out to everyone but also being reminded how shit it was. He is constantly reincarnating, his lover is a crazy bitch who wants destruction, he literally saw how cruel she was when their daughters were in the crossfire of the fight and died and he was clearly depressed to hear that he couldn't "destroy" her.
That's one thing the cast focused so much on: Salem can't be killed. Ok, so she can't but that doesn't mean you can't stop her plans and lock her up in a hole. It'd be like if Team 7 and Obito giving up because they couldn't kill Kaguya or the Ninja Army giving up because Madara was too powerful.
@Jay I think they were more mad at hearing that Salem is unkillable and the fact that Oz doesn't have a plan to stop her. Hell, he never told Glynda, Qrow or Ironwood that either.
I recently played FF8. When fucking Laguna Loire, canonical huge dumbass, can come up with a plan how to seal an immortal sorceress so can team RWBY
I feel like they have right to know what happened and how they got there
They are HIS soldiers to carry out HIS mission.
Maybe leave out a few details but overall they should know because theyre fighting for and on behalf of him.
Its a dick move to send your pawns into battle and then not tell them everything they need to know and its even worse to send them into a fight that he knows they cant win.
I sympathize with bis past but not entirely with his secrecy because people are/were dying because of hus secrecy.
I completely agree. I find it SO unfair how they were treating Ozma in all of this. Total victim blaming and torture.
Furthermore, when they said that Salem couldn’t be “destroyed”, Gin (or Jin) was working on past and present knowledge. Currently, you can’t “destroy” Salem, and she can’t be killed because she’s immortal (so it’s kinda like a trick question). I’m thinking Ruby’s silver eyes will play some part in stopping her Grimm side and defeating her.
Most importantly, destroying Salem isn’t the priority. STOPPING her is. They bring that up later in the series, that they don’t need to destroy her to stop her, but it’s too little too late a reaction, and in this moment people’s initial reaction is anger towards Ozma (again, an incredibly unfair reaction).
I don't know if they ever spelled her name out anywhere official but the genie version of that word is spelled "Djinn"
@@ashikjaman1940 You're correct.
For real the way the protagonists treat Ozpin/Ozma is so harsh and unfair when the guy is trying his best for something that he wasn't even responsible for. All he did in the Lost Fable was die, get revived, had a family, and got his kids killed by his wife. How exactly is this guy bad again??
Relic of creation, it could contain her couldn't it?
@@wuttatota148 well for one he’s trying his best, but he’s dragging people into a fight they can’t win and one he has no plan for, so they’re essentially fighting and risking their lives to follow a man whose has no way or plan to defeat an immortal witch. Then there is the constant lies and half truths, which is understandable from both sides. From ozpins view, even his most trusted allies have betrayed him before so he’s hesitant with the truth, but for everyone else they’re basically expected to just trust and follow someone who isn’t telling them the truth or whole story. It’s basically you have a reason not to trust anyone, but still you’re expecting us to fight and risk our lives when we can’t trust you and don’t know when you’re lying. So it’s less like they’re blaming him for his backstory and more for lying and dragging them into what looks like a fight, one where a literal all knowing being told him he can’t defeat Salem. I mean even divide hinted at the problem brought up in the lost fable “train them to fight what they can’t beat, your sins are what they’ll pay for”. They’re being lead to fight a battle they can’t win by someone they can’t trust anymore. So I’d say they were right to be mad after the backstory was revealed
In literally anything else, the poor treatment of Oscar would either be played for laughs by having someone say “Shut up Meg" every time he opens his mouth, or played for drama to the point where he does morally questionable things that would make Ozpin look like a saint and when asked, he replies with "If you keep treating me like a monster for what he did, then why don't I act like a monster too?"
Seriously, how has Oscar not turned evil yet? That would make for some intriguing AU fanfics.
Ozma have learned Instant Mindscape Therapy a few lives ago
XD
Why would he join either side? He'd probably just fuck off to the woods.
This makes me think of the whole "Eventually Oscar will cease to exist and it will just be Ozpin" thing and a villain arc where Oscar's like "if this body has a dominant soul it's going to be MINE" and straight up ends Ozpin.
Seems like the Lost Fable is a poor retelling of Shrek
I am so glad you mentioned the abuse Oscar suffered through the whole show. Also did anyone else notice his skin seems lighter than when he was first introduced?
That's one thing I hate about the show's hypocrisy, according to the show it's not okay for Weiss to be abused by her father yet it's perfectly okay for Oscar to be abused by the adults around him!
@@queenrose2009 exactly!! It's a huge issue for me, because they seem to forget that Oscar himself is only 14/15. Funnily the ones who actually seem to treat oscar like his own person are the villains!
@@alysiahansen6951 Ikr! The heroes couldn't care less about Oscar's treatment!
Yeah, it's like the show is saying male abuse is okay while female abuse is wrong and just like WTF?!
@@dramonmaster222 Abuse is wrong in general. Regardless of gender, it's not okay for a human being to suffer through unnecessary torment.
"immortality is a curse" is such a limited view, like how many cultures have immortals just chilling in their lit.
Which like... Really feels weird with how cross cultural they pull from.
@North Sea Pirate Read/watch To Your Eternity. Handles immortality a lot better.
@North Sea Pirate If anything, it confuses me. As soon as she meets the first reincarnation, shouldn't she celebrate? Oh look, he may die but will come back reborn! Fuck, even before the Gods left, that's how it explicitly was! All she had to do *was wait for him for a couple decades*. Fucking idiot... the writers missed that loophole.
And then there's the entire Chinese pantheon of mythology with people working their way to immortality and enjoying it.
"immortality is a curse" yeah so is long life but we're persuing that aren't we?
I think it's kinda silly to just blanketly call it a limited take ("immortality is a curse," that is). Rather, RWBY uses it in such a limited way. Immortality being only good or only awful or a mix or whatever...any option can be neat and wonderful and great depending on how it is used. It's limiting that they seem to use it as "assumed default," since we have so many stories from Europe or the US that use it that way.
But the trope is just a trope and can be used well or not.
@@s3studios597 I did but I don't think the writer will ever potery Salam having crappy immortality the same way as how "To Your Eternity" did it. Not even having half the vibe of it
Can we just talk for a second about how the gods gave Salem the ultra mega super duper final boss version of immortality, but stuck Oz with this crappy bootleg Avatar version?
Yeah that was honestly really stupid.
Why did they curse Salem with immortality to begin with? And why did the Gods of Light and Dark decide to give Oz the task of trying to unite humanity or else the world will be destroyed?
Okay but shoutout to Jen Taylor for still giving some serious voice acting effort into the antagonist with such a buck wild script and story
....again
Gad damn, Roosterteeth is out for blood with this video.
Reminder: Jaune did more to apologize and mend things with Oscar in vol 7 than rwby combined.
Because apologizing means admitting you were wrong, and God forbid Team RWBY actually be wrong about something...
Hell, Blake hasn't even apologized for abandoning the team
@@carbodude5414 Blake is more concerned with Yang than she is with Ruby and Weiss (yeah, Yang is her partner and Yang has abandonment issues, but they are all a team. Ruby and Weiss would also be affected, especially Weiss).
Finally, let's hope this masterpiece stays up.
Better save it...
AND IF THEY STRIKE IT *MIRROR IT EVERYWHERE*
I admire ur persistence man😭
Please STAY UP this time🤞😖🤞
Chaeng pfp!!!! Hey fellow once
@@Valentineatelier LMAOOO HII
Volume 6 is the beginning of Team RWBY becoming unlikable jerks and its clear that its all by accident because the writers own sense of morals are pretty twisted to begin with
Imagine using a magic lamp to force a guy to relive the absolute worst moments in his life and still somehow think of themselves as the wounded party. Then, a season later, Team RWBY throw a fit when Ironwood understandably wants them arrested because they took advantage of his trust and betrayed him
I think RT is horrible treating you and employees like that!
I like how you pointed out how Ozma suffered. What do they expect him to be like especially after he said Leo wasn't the first to betray him?
And how Jinn said YOU can't. Big on YOU that's a dead giveaway to a loophole in getting Salem!
My easy to follow step by step plan on how to retell her backstory:
Give her a father who lost everything to some great disaster when Salem was a baby and thus he puts her in the tower to protect her, forever fearful that he's gonna loose her too (in this case I want to give her a bigger family: two parents and maybe a couple of older sibilings, maybe even a twin just so it hurts even more to the dude).
Salem wants freedom to explore the world, all her life she has dreamt of fairytales and adventure stories she can hear sometimes (I'm assuming she can hear stuff with her magic bc I want to). So when Ozma finds her, she's all too happy to go with him.
We see a montage of them going around a couple of years traveling toghether, we use that opportunity to see more of the world and it culminates with them falling in love.
Ozma dies and Salem cannot deal with it, she begs her father and we get the moment when she blames the gods (Not only they took away her birth family, they also took her new one).
Blah blah blah, she's cursed and all of that.
Ozma reincarnates, they live toghether happily for a while. A daughter is born and Salem cannot be happier, tho we can see how much like her father she is (doesn't let her daughter out of her sight for long, doesn't let her go anywhere).
We get a scene where Salem sees Ozma dying of old age, he promises to look for her in his next life and she promises to wait, their daughter is also there and it's all very sad. Next scene we see her mourning in front of two graves, Ozma didn't appeared up until after their daughter has died, and by that time Salem has been left alone again.
She cannot even begin to imagine what it would be like to suffer through that anymore, so we get the whole "we conquer the humans, destroy the gods and find a way to make everybody immortal".
Blah blah blah, fall of grace, into the madness as centuries pass and she isn't one bit closer to her goal.
Finally she snaps, Ozma has been acting weird for a while, with each time they reunite he gets colder and colder to her, finally seeing how much of a monster her fear of being left alone has changed her (at all this, I would like her to have keepsakes of all her children. Just something small she keeps hidden away and we see a glimpse of).
So fall of Salem, she decides Ozma can't be trusted anymore, so she'll make a world where she doesn't have to see her children die anymore.
And if I gotta write an ending? It would be a sorta redemption for her. She can finally see what her fear has caused on everybody else and remembers the fear in the eyes of her last children (the four girls the maidens are definetly based on) and breaks down. Maybe we can have a tear jerking scene of her finally learning to not fear death, because it is only natural for all things to die, and finally going to the afterlife (also, Ozma's cicle is destroyed too and he leaves Oscar alone).
Also with Ozpin lying, it protected the ppl from the Grimm, [from feeling hopeless and afraid] who are again attracted to negative energy ugh this show
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The world didnt have to know but the cast shouldve
I wrote a "Why would Ozma want the gods back" question on RWBY's Headscratchers page, and asked some of these questions. I'm not sure the pre-remnant remnant was supposed to be a utopia, but it not being one calls into question Ozpin, and by extension, the heroes, whole motivation. Responses largely centered around how only the gods can stop Salem, but that lead into further questions about the Gods apparently confused motivations.
A movie-length commentary, let's gooooo!
Unlike the others, I didn't catch it the first two times, hopefully this stays up long enough for me to watch the whole thing haha
I would've preferred it if Salem was a super-ancient Grimm, and giving the MAIN MONSTERS of the DAMNED STORY some actual agency in the plots
Same. That would have been awesome! :D
Weird how they're targeting this video and not the dozens of other RWBY critic videos that are much more disrespectful to the company.
Adel Aka’s videos are still up, but this one is more popular maybe. It’s hard to tell because the views keep resetting
I don't think it's because the video is being critical towards RWBY that's it been taken down twice for. It might be because Thomas briefly mentions the well-known mistreatment of the employees, specifically the animators, at the company via the Glassdoor reviews.
@@infinitedreamer9359ohh yeah that makes sense. That's likely the reason
Because this video shows how incompetent the Writers of RWBY.
You can't even consider them a real writers because of all those retcon and things they forgot last volume.
@@64gbdata11 But there's already tons of RWBY criticism videos from all kinds of people that go over the many awful ways the show is written and those don't get taken down. So no it's something else that made RT take down this video 3 times.
Geez I guess RT really hate it when you call them out on their b.s. and flaws huh? Can't take some criticism, but I wonder how Miles & Kerry and rest of CRWBY themselves feel about this video?
I kinda feel like Qrow's reaction was the only really understandable one (maybe Yang too); decades of dedication to a hopeless cause that has ended lives (like Summer and Leo) and connections (his with Raven and her's with her whole family) all throughout his tormented life of misfortune, he feels justified to punch Oz and not think about Oscar. It is weird he never regretted hurting Oscar or processed these complex feelings, or not tell Ironwood who would be in the same ballpark after getting so mad about it himself.
I wish we got to understand what was actually going on a bit better. Did Oz and Salem's kids die by accident or was it on purpose? How did the Deity Brothers actually rule humanity; like dictators or interactive observers who just set ground rules and let things run its course? If the world was a Utopia, why was Ozma a warrior; what evils actually exist in a world controlled directly by omnipotent beings? Did the moon create Dust, or was it always there but covered up by the nature created by the deities? Are Semblances an aspect of Dust being part of Remnant's physiology as a replacement for Magic? Which one is the true source of Aura: Light or Dark?
I like this theory I had that the Dark Brother just wanted to create stuff like his brother did and was really hurt that when he did create something, it tried to kill him and was completely ungrateful for his gift of Magic. It's kind of telling when he is just like "okay, here's your dead boyfriend back" that he at least wants his creations to like him OR just favor him over his 'perfect' brother; similar to the relationship between Pheineas and Ferb cartoon's Dr. Doofensmirtz (I misspelled that, I'm sure) and his brother the mayor (who was everyone's favorite from day 1) but on a cosmic scale, weird and insane comparison but I find that simplifies it enough to get the point across. It would be cool to have the Dark Brother just want his solitude to pout while his brother is playing with humanity like tinker toys, explaining that the Dark Brother wasn't around to recreate humanity so the Light Brother did it by himself and is using Oz to force his brother to come back through the Relics so they can 'fix' humanity back to what the Light Brother prefers. That's just headcanon, but I think it'd be a cool direction.
ikr? i understand why qrow would be angry, but the girls just asked that with the man it concerns right there, without any concern for what he and oscar are gonna think about it, and then get all bitchy when they can't stab their problem away (and jaune's reaction felt a bit out of character to me, man grew up in a big family and is the "tactician" of the group, apparently, shouldn't he know how to stay calm?)
and, they're asking a question to this magical spirit that knows *everything*. there shouldn't have been any witheld info, everything should have been explained to us, especially as that episode hasn't been mentioned ever again outside of season 6!
@@wahoo69 I think JNR could be considered justified as well, especially Jaune; but they shouldn't have Jaune's line be "what if we have been talking to that liar" and instead said something that related to Pyrrha dying specifically for nothing, it sounds like he is more mad that he has been lied to instead that Oz effectively used and led Pyrrha to her death (just as responsible as Cinder in Jaune's eyes) and that it was basically to buy time for a endless struggle that Oz wasn't seeking a solution to. His friend, mentor, and potential love he only recognized in the last moment was struggling with destiny and was in anguish thanks to Oz's proposal that Pyrrha expressed to Jaune in Volume 3, and then died; and it never meant anything, just another cog in Oz's carefully made machine of a society. ... But Jaune didn't say that and so it does come off as more out of character because the main reason he should be mad is not mentioned here. All of JNR should be mad about Pyrrha being sacrificed but it doesn't come off that way and instead "Oz lied, he bad".
I feel like Qrow and JNR are more justified to be angry at Ozpin.
RT has always been bad at writing. Literally always. Red vs Blue is literally written through retcons. The original 5 seasons were written episode by episode, only eventually getting a plot in season 4 or 5. They retconned in the AIs, the Freelancer project, etc. RT has never substantially invested in the writing room. They get mad when you point it out. Kerry and Miles just rip off whatever anime they have seen lately. Miles was a great cinematographer when they brought him on board, then they shoved him in a room with Kerry and he devolved.
People can basically re-upload whole episodes if they're reacting [positively] to it, so what's RT's beef with this video?? It's _not_ a substitution for the original episode, it's transformative media, that is _allowed._ I sense that this is going to be a problem going forward on future RWBY videos.
It really sucks that the first video you post being more honest about your opinions on rwby keeps getting blocked. I like listening to your opinions on rwby so I hope this mess doesn't discourage you from making future videos. I hopped onto another account just so I can like this masterpiece again.
If Rooster Teeth takes this masterpiece down again I'm gonna march up to them demand them to lay off, cause this glorious video deserved to be watched!
Don’t blame YT. Blame RT as they’re the ones doing the blocking.
@@Goleon Yeah I just realized that. Sorry.
@@Goleon Did you mean RT or YT?
RT: "Understood, we will layoff a further 15% of our employees"
This kind of criticism is something RWBY and Rooster Teeth needs. I can understand the constant toxic and positive side can make it difficult to see what needs work, but these have been issues that should have been looked at a long time ago. I feel bad hearing Miles kind of joke about crunch time and not see how bad it is pressuring animators to overwork themselves. I never wanted the people to overwork themselves, but I did think someone would have done something about the disorganization or the writers would go more in depth later. They need to start making actual change and show it.
Lovely that Rooster Teeth is going out of their way to silence overt critique of their properties :/
You know what, I’m just gonna download this video in case it gets taken down again. That way, I can watch this at my leisure without RT being butthurt, and/or post this up on my own empty channel while giving Miss Unicorn full credit just to rustle RT’s jimmys even more because they deserve the criticism. Besides, I hadn’t been able to watch this all the way through the first and second time.
I kinda figured there was a missed opportunity to make Salem a parallel to Ruby if they leaned more into what happened to Summer, or any of the other characters that died. Salem lost someone she loved due to forces beyond her control, got upset about it and defied the larger system that caused it. In the process she becomes more monstrous and hurts more people. Ruby has lost friends and family because of Ozpin’s war against Salem. Summer probably died fighting Salem. But Ruby even though she is hurt by the loss of her mother and friends, believes in being positive and making the world a better place. This can solve a few problems, it give Ruby personal character motivation, a purpose for Summer Rose’s character, establishes a parallel between our hero and villain. Furthermore it gives us a chance to examine a way Ozpin is morally grey, by having his actions or the fact that he’s keeping things from the kids, have a personal effect on Ruby. Ruby would then have to undergo an arc where she discovers what being a hero truly means: a definition outside of what a huntsman or huntress is outside of the system that Ozpin established, outside of what she thought her mother was. Find hope in something outside of the dichotomy that Ozpin’s lies and Salem’s bleakness has created. But I mean, that’s just how I always interpreted what the song Red Like Roses Part 2 was implying with Summer’s character. It kinda has the same writing problems that you discussed at the bringing of the video where it’s like an incomplete puzzle….
Oh, its manually being blocked? That's f'd up, I thought it was some automatic bots taking it down or something.
Let's fix RWBY:
Salem was locked up because her father saw the potential and desire for evil she possessed, Ozma thought it was a cruel act and freed her, but in doing unleashed onto the world a psychopath that went on to manipulate kingdoms into tearing themselves apart in endless wars simply because she could. In trying to stop her, he fails countless times ("I have made more mistakes than any man, woman or child"), but still feels compelled to stop her. She ends up experimenting with Grimm creatures and fuses herself with one of the dragons that have the power to spawn more Grimm and ends up achieving immortality with it. Ozma finds out about her immortality and devises a plan to seal her on the moon at the expense of all magic on the planet, so he goes on a journey to convince several kingdoms to join his side and help him defeat - not destroy - Salem.
The entire world gets engulfed in the flames of war as Salem marches forward with humans and Grimm creatures on her side, but Ozma is capable of gathering up all the magic in the world and sends Salem and her most powerful Grimm to the moon, thus shattering it in the process. But the spell had the unforeseen effect of mixing up the DNA of the humans that fought in the last war with animals, thus creating the Faunace, and giving humanity the ability to manipulate their souls in the form of Auras and Semblances. Ozma is the only human left on the remnants of the old earth that can still use magic.
In this case, Ozma doesn't possess the bodies of random people, but he combines his Aura with magic to bypass death, essentially by putting his soul in a pocket dimension (aura control) as he garners enough magic to reconstruct his body over several months or years.
After seeing what the world had become, with Faunace being treated like monsters despite being the heroes that fought alongside him to save the world, the moon shattering causing several environmental damages to the planet and humanity changing in ways he couldn't deal with, he becomes secluded in his old farm away from any human contact until the maidens appear. Meanwhile, Salem finds a way to bring people to the moon via her new Grimm creations, and the war between the two immortals continues to this day.
There! Now Ozpin has something to hide - he was responsible for the world being the shit hell it is, but he also isn't evil as he was just trying to do the right thing but being ultimately unable to prevent all the suffering!
I.. actually love this.
- Koschei the Deathless! Salem
- Lich! Ozpin
- The twisting of the Rapunzel fable
- Potential for nuance in the detailed writing
If Oscar decides to go berserk and beat the tar out of everyone.
I wouldn’t be surprised, considering the shit they put him through.
for a company that made money off Halo they really like their content to remain their own.
Now that you mention it, it's gonna feel weird knowing that Infinite is gonna be the first Halo game that likely won't be majorly incorporating Red vs Blue. So few of the original VAs have stuck around (or were kept around) to voice their characters, and what few people work with the series at all are absolutely stuck on Halo 5 and barely even use machinima anymore
A lot of the story fix suggestions sound pretty interesting. I think in addition to what was brought up, something that could improve Ozma and Salem's story would be if they'd gotten to know eachother by exchanging letters before finally meeting and trying to have their happy ending together. It wouldn't even necessarily need to have Salem physically trapped in her tower since there're a decent number of other reasons she could be stuck in a life she isn't satisfied with, which would head off any questions on why she didn't just magic herself out on her own. It gives them more time to build a relationship while still being the sort of thing that could be abridged into a fairytale.
To build up the story there could be bits and pieces of the story retold and distorted into actual fairytales characters know and mention before we're shown the actual events. That way there fairytale theming would still be present while still showing a fully fleshed out narrative grounding the plot. Contrast between shortened fables and a more realistic, unabridged depiction of the events they're based on seems like it'd fit right in thematically, especially with how the backstory was intended to be a subversion of fairytale endings in the first place.
The whole 'Oz is bad' plotline made more sense through early fan theories discussing the initial ethics of the secret maiden stuff with pressuring a teenager into something without full knowledge of the greater ramifications of it but the more the show tried to do stuff with it the less sense it really made. There's still reason for some characters to be upset about some of the choices Oz made and having good reasons for withholding information doesn't mean there wouldn't be some hurt and betrayal over not knowing the full context of why various characters have risked their lives, been harmed or died for things they didn't fully understand. However, using it to open a discussion about there sometimes not being any 'good' choice or appropriate target for your anger over things that have caused you harm and the various ways characters try to deal with situations like that throughout the show would've been more compelling than all the narrative contortions going on to have everyone hate on Oz and by extension Oscar as if everything he did was universally terrible unless the narrative decides that it isn't.
Another issue is how Salem's so evil and destructive it's hard to justify people allying with her of their own volition without seeming nonsensical like the whole situation with Hazel. Her immortality and the grimm might be enough to get things done but it limits the writing options on the antagonist end of the story, which in turn makes it difficult to maintain compelling narrative themes relating to the central conflict.
Exactly. Ozma is a victim and treated as a bad guy and i hate it so much. Team rwby made Ozma relive his trauma. He watched himself get yeeted between life and death, watched himself get brutally burned by his wife, and watched his kids die by the aftermath of their fight. Team rwby saw all this and they saw this man get thrusted into an entirely new world with a nigh impossible mission of uniting humanity, and the first thing they do is lash out at him?? Not even a *shred* of sympathy, how are these guys even heroes they're such horrible people.
And it's not like Ozpin has a sht reason for keeping secrets. Remember when he told Salem everything? He told her the mission he was entrusted with of uniting humanity and the relics that was scattered throughout Remnant. What is Salem doing with that information now? Oh right she's dividing humanity and collecting the relics for herself. Ozma also once entrusted Lionheart with his secrets and look what happened, the man is actually a spy for Salem. Remember Raven who Ozpin also trusted? What did she do after she learned the truth? Yep. She betrayed Ozpin. So yes team rwby, i think Ozpin has a valid reason for not telling a bunch of highschool students his secrets
The plot of The Lost Fable could’ve easily held at least half a season.
I agree, mostly because the scope of the story is just too vast to be neatly contained within a single episode.
Where else have I heard that?
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@@Ramsey276one why would you bring that uppppp
What the fuck have you brought upon this cursed land.
@@xacmashe3852 High Guardian Spice came out.
Accept we are in the worst timeline and BRACE FOR IMPACT.
XD
They really don't take to criticism well if they're gunning so hard for this video's demise three times over lol. Keep it up, Thomas!
And I’m going to rewatch it every time
I’ll chalk it up to the bot going haywire because there’s way more harsher and actually bad criticism that’s never been taken down.
@@rhymenoceros3303 Why aren't positive RWBY videos being targeted?
@@nichoudha do you have any evidence that any video besides this one is being targeted?
@@rhymenoceros3303 Im pretty sure Hbomberguy's vid went through this whole thing too
I'm glad someone restated my argument to my friends about why i hated how the main characters all dogpiled Ozma about why he's horrible for not being completely honest and spilling his eons of pain and suffering to a bunch of teenagers he's just met. Sure Ruby doesn't know why she has silver eyes, but she can definitely understand that Ozma has existed since paradise and currently losing his soul as he continually reincarnates because he has to kill his bae who happens to be immortal because the god of light and 1/2 creator of the world personally told him to while he was floating between limbo and non existence. That sounds incredibly believable.
Made me realize how much I made my own story about a woman who men are constantly trying to limit and regulate so she lashes out wickedly because she sees that as her only means to express autonomy over her life.
Hope you kept the file this time in case third time's not the charmxD It'd be a shame if you had to re-edit this, again, like seriously that's UA-camr Purgatory
If they strike it...
MIRROR IT *EVERYWHERE*
Let's hope it isn't taken down this time
Too anyone thinking "how can they complain about fairy-tale logic for an hour".
The Girl in the Tower is a fairytale in the world of RWBY true, But Jinn's power is to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the Truth. So this episode is the Historical events that actually happened to inspired such myth/s and thus this episode need to be more grounded in the real.
something tells me that RT doesn't like you showing the animators anonymous reviews of their work place.
I think that's the real reason. Plenty criticism videos with hundreds of thousands of views are still up.
@Divad Nairb Gilbert Indeed
@Divad Nairb Gilbert There are many different ways to tell a story.
I love rwby even thou i know its not as good as it was set up to be...i feel that one of rwbys problems is that they have so many diffrent themes shoved into one world that iultomatly it dosent have tine to flesh any of them out...i feel rwby would be much better if they picked a few themes and have all charcters be connected to them..it would make it feel more substantial
..in my opinion but im a novice writtet so take this with a pich of salt
Bruh does RT have some kind of grudge against you
I guess
Yeah.. I have so many issues with Salem because Roosterteeth has barely developed her. And their excuse is that they're withholding information to make things more mysterious. But I can't really empathize with Salem, I can't even look at her and be like "Wow, what a bitch." I just don't feel anything for this character. And it sucks, because I really want to.
I think the most unintentionally heartbreaking part about ozma/oz as a whole is...he doesn't fight back.
He could get angry there, and he would be justified in hitting back, talking back, yelling and insulting them back. But he doesn't, he just submits to being hated and treated as if he's somehow a villain for not wanting to talk about an inherently traumatic past as if he's used to it or he believes he is the monster they're saying he is
Ozpin ain't good either though
@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I mean yeah, but people aren't supposed to submit to abuse just because they've done something wrong
@@whatteamwildcats4033 Oh I thought you were talking about his story as a whole. Yeah they were needlessly cruel to Oscar, not even Ozpin
I think he understands their anger and is letting them let it out.
I hope this doesn't get taken bown, AGAIN! This was a good video and it's the studio's fault for having so many flaws narrative wise.
It's a great breakdown and you shouldn't be penalize.
For now on I'll only accept the headcanon that the father knew she was evil from the start or something.
And everyone else is just stupid.
Ozma let out a feral monster and the dumbass gods gave it laser powers
OR
evertthing jin said was bs and she was just bored.
But she showed ozpin the actual stuff to fuck with him.
And this gods, the jin, just wanted to fuck shit up.
Like a sims player
There are, quite literally, FIVE-YEAR OLD videos of full RWBY episodes reuploaded on UA-cam, and RT takes this down for copyright THREE times? Yeah . . . not suspicious at all.
Well thanks to the fairy tale episodes, the verdict is in.
Salem was selfish and manipulative from the start.
Her father wasn't really cruel or evil. He was just over protective and wanted to keep her safe after the loose of his wife.
As a 16 year old, she figured out a way to get a message to the outside world and invited anyone who can to come and kill her father and free her.
I don't know about anyone else, but that story did not instill any new sympathy in me for the character.
Reminded me of Cinder's story.
When Lindsay’s “Hang your shitty child for all I care” clip came up, I recited it by heart
Excuse meWUT
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Third time's the charm
One thing that always bothered me even before I realized how bad this episode and RWBY in general is why is his name Ozma in the past? This implies that he just takes up the name of the next person he reincarnates as; the last one with no hint of another person inside of him must have been named Ozpin. But then why do the villains call him Ozpin? They know that his original name is Ozma and that Ozpin is just some random guy. And why do the main characters still call him Ozpin too now that they know Ozpin was some innocent victim? No one even thinks of who that other guy was. Ozma doesn't even seem to care about his death, and no one thinks that as telling that Ozma truly doesn't care about the lives he ruins through possession
Because he's not Ozma, he's Ozpin. The personality of the new body doesn't go away, it gets blended into the whole. So he's not the same man he was originally, and not even the same as the incarnation before Ozpin. The villains are still using the name "Ozpin" rather than "Oscar" because they didn't know his new name yet, and that's who they've been against for decades. It's likely they would gradually switch over after time.
@@Mirality That's a sound theory and sounds plausible with what we know, but I don't think it was ever explicitly shown. This is just what Thomas was talking about. RWBY is so vague in its storytelling that viewers just fill in the holes on their own and take their view as cannon. This way, plot holes are filled without CRWBY even doing any work to make sure their story makes sense. It would be nice if your theory was confirmed, though.
likely cause he learned how to "live with the souls" and said "I am changed, but my memories stay with me." So post-merge the soul will go by Oscar, theoretically, Oscar being the change and retaining the memories, but still being merged. The souls become each other
I've seen each of the times that this video got blocked. Here's to hoping that it'll stay up! 🤞🏽