I'd like to see a video on the geopolitical impact of a disputed election in America and the violence that could follow, including the possibility of civil conflict. In fact i came across a video that explores the long and short term factors that could lead to CIVIL WAR in the United States: ua-cam.com/video/EeF61LRYSKk/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
@@drunkensailor3736 Yes, My Take is another great geopolitical channel. I keep forgetting to watch that video you link to, so I think I'm going to watch it now.
Welp, i've not yet seen either side waging a war on the comment section. Edit: Jesus, i wish i weren't wrong. The amount of salt i saw as i scrolled down is too much.
@@christianweibrecht6555 oh the only reason south korea exists is because US interests were endangered by the chinese/north korean invasion. it had nothing to do with nato itself or the UN for that matter and if these assholes cant stop a fucking genocide what can they stop or start? (rwandan genocide*)
wizzzer1337 these people do not require western encouragement to start killing each other, their history is reason enough. The Turks have their own well developed arms industry by the way.
No man we produce our own weapons, %83 of them. But greece is buying weapons, with big money. That is why u will never trust france, coz after they sell macron called Erdoğan for agreements 😂
If the Turks have a war. Greece and France within 2 hours. It ends. Turks are very strong. It burns Greece. Turks are strong enough to beat all Europe and the USA ..
@Read the fount of knowledge by St. John of Damascus 70 countries already. It is established in the territory of the Turks. Arab states. In Greece and Armenia. All the way to Africa. How! If God "takes back the life. In TURKS, he will take his own.
"Aegean is not a Greek lake, Aegean is not a Turkish lake either because Aegean is not a lake." -Süleyman Demirel Edit: Shirvan is wrong, the war has already started in the comments.
And while the Balkans where held by the Ottomans most of their medival period to late 19 century,Western Europe fought almost every war on the planet.Colonising Africa and Americas,subjugating people.And you go and bitch about the Balkans.
@@lukamuselimovic3504 im not bitching about the Balkands my friend. Im quoting a famous quote by Bismarck. Ironically he said this not too long before the Archduke incident. Get off your high horse mate.
@@lukamuselimovic3504 😂😂 one spread human rights, abolished slavery and brought advanced technology to every corner of the globe, the other was an aggressive super state of its day that sold slaves from every corner it conquered, massacred populations, and brought nothing to anyone other than suffering.
War is not likely. Everyone there is too dependent on the other in multiple ways. As you say, no one wins that hypothetical war. And they're all aware of that. Today there are better ways to piss off and fight each other than conventional war.
Look I also donot wish for war, but unfortunately it is coming no matter what, everywhere around the world now there are problems that are heating up either between countries or the people inside these countries, almost like the same senario for world war 1 but add more and more salt to it. This is armageddon or in Islam it is called Malhama coming in the next year or year and a half God knows best when, The global dept is reaching its peak like in the next 5 month or so and most countries wouldn't be able to pay it off which is going to raise severe problems, and trust all this is indeed proved and lots of experts say so. But do not be depressed or confused at all, stay strong and upright.
@@Abdullah-mu1xb people always thought they were about to see a huuge catastrophe, and that it was going to be worse than ever before. These conflicts come and go. With global interdependence stronger than ever before in human history, conventional war between major nations are less and less likely to happen. Stay realistic, guys
@@appleslover I'm sure he or she does. My Take has very loyal acolytes. That's how I found out about them. It's a one-guy, small operation, but very good content.
@@GeraBrown To be fair, what My Take is saying is rather pertinent right now. The US elections are coming up, and the situation is somewhat volatile. He also does seem to understand that the US's problems are mostly because of a biased two party system and the ever increasing affluence and influence of the richest 0.1%. Regular people's opinions are being marginalised by a wealthy minority and it is bringing the US to a rupturing point.
no mortal will know who is left until the end of time, might is right in the short term, in the long term friends come and go while enemies accumulate.
@Sal Vastola Death to all systems that would cause greater harm in present or future times. Spared shall be those who are full of luck to find themselves not within this battle.
There will be no war. If war breaks out, both countries will lose. Scenario 1: If Greece attacks: Turks have a much larger army. And it can bear some of its losses. If Greece lost the war could be lost island close to Turkey. They lose their income from tourism. Aggressor loses legitimacy and righteousness The weak economy goes into greater strain. Scenario 2: If Turkey attacks: Although the Turks have a larger army, Greece would be in a better position as defending would be more advantageous. Instant embargo by Europe against Turkey. They lose their income from tourism. Aggressor loses legitimacy and righteousness The weak economy goes into greater strain.
I don't think we should be concerned about one deliberately attacking the other, for the reasons you have pointed out. But I think an accidental war is a concern. These types posturing and border clashes could lead to serious incidents that might escalate out of control. Do I think that is likely? No. But do I think it is possible? Yes.
also, as a european state I don't think greece could have the right to declare war to turquey, because it would involve all the other european countries. Turquey might have a big army, but it's mostly old tanks, and it does not have the capacity to invade another land because of its navy. I don't think a war is soon to be declared because none of its potential beligerant could win it.
@wargent99 Only Until Muslims Unite. Your Empire and World Order is Crumbling. You are Disintegrating from Within while your Enemies are Joining forces and Getting Stronger. Muslims ruled the World for 1000 Years Before you, Power Shifts Every now and Then, And Strong Men don't Forget Anything.
@@nickkoss9384 After the first Balkan war it was part of Bulgaria. Only after the betrayal which led to the second Balkan war was it lost. Bulgaria gained it back temporarily after siding with the Germans (after being pressured to). In reality, it was originally Bulgarian land. So actually Bulgaria lost its land in the Aegean because it was punished for being on the axis side.
Power determines the outcome. Otherwise, a compromise has to be made for a win-win situation for both sides. Love the punchline Shirvan...sums up the whole video.
The problem with this video is that he is refering to international law to showcase "Turkish mistreatment" when Turkey does not respect it either and violates it much much more than Greece does.
is this why Greece armed all the islands that are just a few miles away from Turkey? And according to international law and agreements between Turkey and Greece those island should remain unarmed.
@@yldrmbrs Greece armed the islands after what happened to Cyprus. Also, every second day, a government official from Turkey threatens with war. Why wouldn't they arm them? They don't plan to invade. Turkey's does. The army is there for defence purposes
But your suggestion is purely based on the Turkish demands. Greece gains absolutely nothing from that compromise, and Turkey gets everything it asks for. Turkey doesn’t care about Greece’s territorial water in the Ionian sea, but in the Aegean close to its shores.
Well there are fractions in Turkey, which demand the annexation of the islands near the turkish coast. Therefore greeks should be thankful, when Turks are open for such a solution!
His idea gives both greece and Turkey what they want, if Greece's demands are enforced then greece will almost have a monopoly over the Aegean sea. Greece wants national security, so with that compromise both greece and turkey will get their needs.
Ce Sari Well those factions within Turkey should be careful about breaking the borders delimitations of the Lausanne treaty, otherwise the treaty of the Serves will be reimposed.
@@savvaspapaiacovou586 Well everyone knows that the greeks tried to impose by force more than Sevres and we know how their adventure ended for them. Annihilation and extinction of greeks of Asian Turkey. Now Greeks are mostly living in European Turkey!
Worry not. Most of the people around me really aren't interested in this sort of thing and I live 30 minutes across the Greek border. This is just government posturing and trying to divert attention from the economy. Turkey cannot afford war at the moment and everybody knows it. IMO the best course of action for us citizens is to just keep calm.
@@emirakar1187 bilmediğiniz şeyler hakkında özellikle uluslararası yerlerde konuşmamak daha doğru olur. Türkiye, altın rezervini arttırarak savaşa hazırlanıyor, son zamanlarda alınan altında Türkiye birinci sırada öte yandan böyle şeyler söylemen bu aptalları cesaretlendiriyor. Gerekirse kuru ekmek yeriz ama bir gram su vermeyiz bunlara
Yes you are right but most of greeks says that turks are mongols, go back to asia, constantinopole is greek or even turks are muslim greeks. Most of greeks even dont recognize turkey as a country, says western is greek and eastern is Armenian. Sorry but in this conflict there will be no peace if greek government still insist in %80 of aegean and e mediterranen is greek. Greeks backed again the europe but even france can not win turkey in the anatolia as we saw in 1920- 1970. But sanctions are risky for turkey
I am sorry mate you are a bit biased here. Turkey was more than happy to apply the 12nm rule on the black sea, where it would reap the most benefits but when Greece does the same, it is somehow unfair and there should be compromise? Should international law be bend to appease large and aggressive military powers like Turkey? The national security argument is also very weak. Security against whom? Greece? Greece would not attack Turkey in a million years and in the case of russian aggression, Greece would not only be happy but also obligated to support its NATO ally.
We didn't sign that "International law" and if you got the balls, go ahead increase it to 12nm. Apparently everyone here is suddenly an expert on politics. If you increase it you won't get the support from Europe that you want, you are the aggressor here. We told you many year's ago, don't increase the nm and there is no problem now you threaten us with this. Two can play that game.
Shirvan talks in such a calm voice about the topic. I have a feeling that he was thinking about a holiday on a Caribbean Island while doing the voiceover, instead of a potential war in the Mediterranean.
People in Azerbaijan don't dream about the Caribbean, only North Americans do that. People in Azerbaijan dream of vacationing in places like Maldives and Mauritius.
Hxgop 20 No, Turkey just supports it to have a allies that’s all. Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict is from 1980s and exposed a war after CW. Armenian army(with Russian support according to unofficial resources) invaded like 24% of Azerbaijan and wanted even more which ended with turkey sending troops to its border and Russia threatening turkey with a full scale war. At the end Turkey helped Azerbaijan for natural gas, an ally against armenia who claims land in turkey, also ethnic similarities...
A. Can Aksu its armenian land, its saying that "native americans attacked the eurpoeans" makes 0 sense Artsakh(Karabagh) has been 80% + population since 3000 years ago . the city name has been written in roman texts while baku or other Azeri cities for that matter.
I have to say that your analysis overlooks and misrepresents some facts to the point that it may be biased, as the issue nowadays is more about EEZ rather than territorial waters anyway. Firstly Turkey says that it means war for her WHICHEVER 12 miles expansion of Greece's territorial waters; ie they do not have to be close to her. You also give examples of Esthonia and Finland that leave a passage for Russia. However, which fact you failed to mention, Turkey already has a passage anyway; you see that her territorial waters are continuous next to her coast, thus any Turkish ship can navigate within these, ie without exiting Turkish territorial waters... Then you also said that Izmir would be cut off if Greece was to expand... If you look at the map that you illustrated yourself many times (eg see 6:50) you will then realize that is there anyway a passage through international waters for reaching Izmir from Istanbul (while, again, one can still use the Turkish territorial waters to go there from Istanbul). Turkey at the same time lays claims on Greek islands (even inhabited ones), and it is her that violates Greek airspace almost daily, not the other way around. See here the US ambassador in Greece talking about the matter of airspace violations; ua-cam.com/video/f9Ix9J7ASMo/v-deo.html See also Senator Menendez talking about the matter; ua-cam.com/video/Wc8rt-bEJJQ/v-deo.html
the "proposals" in this video effectively ensure a Turkish naval blockade/"naval" annexation of eastern Greek islands. Turkey could dump migrants on those islands at gun point. Its unacceptable for Greece.
For your 6 miles of territorial waters, if you want 8 miles of airspace, this will happen, the more your territorial waters, the more airspace you will have.
@@ramazankapar5988 İzmir: urban area 944 km2. Athens: urban area 412 km2. I don't think he was talking about SIZE, because that's only about 2 times bigger.
@@leblubblab ohh i see, you are right. It's about population. Google search result is 664,046 for athens population. But it's 4m in wikipedia. I don't know why.
Athens only has 650k inhabitants, Shirvan did not count the Metropolitan area of the 2 cities, only the Cities proper. Berlin has more people than Paris, but with Metropolitan area, Paris has much more.
I am sorry but you painted this video in a wrong color.First you only spoke about the Greek point of view for maybe 10seconds 2)You made an image as both are equally provoking the other without even talking about the decades long Turkish aggresion.Harassmemt from ships to fishermen and the almost invasion of Imia by the Turks. 3)Cypriots wanted to unite with Greece after half a millenium of occupation.It wasnt a "take over"but an effort for liberation After Erdogan found about gas in the sea,he tries to provoke an incident,then global interference and finally achieve more gray zones for his benefit
London and Zürich Agreements : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_Z%C3%BCrich_Agreements Cypriots wanted to unite with Greece? Yeah.. that's not going to happen for whatever reason that you claim. Greece violated London and Zürich Agreements by supporting a coup d'état.
Shirvan is generally pretty pro US, but in this case his pro-azeri/pro-turkish bias takes over. The reason germany is supporting turkey is because they have signed a deal with russia for a gas pipeline and invested lots of money in the turkish economy. If turkey can halt the greek plans for the pipeline, Germany can become europes sole gas provider. Much like america has had an oil monopoly.
Sounds good! Just like how Greece was planning to unite with Greeks in Anatolia by invading Turkey after Ottoman Empire collapsed. It was Ataturk who saved Turkey from foreign occupations. The truth is there is no good or bad here, both countries are battling over strategical locations and resources.
The problem is not freedom of navigation, nor safety since both countries are in NATO. The problem is the adoption by Turkey of the NAZI theory of Vital Space, through which Turkey demands control of half the Aegean sea. Turkey say's that since it's a bigger country it must have more territory. The idea of the Turkish Navy not being able to sail from Smyrna to Constantinople, is wrong because the can do so through their territorial waters, with out venturing in an other country. Freedom of navigation is also ensured by UNCLOS. Now it would also be totally preposterous for Greece to require Turkish permission to travel to it's own islands. The dispute is much deeper than your analysis since Turkey does not recognize Greek sovereignty over many islands, even inhabited ones, on the Aegean and the Mediterranean. In fact current Turkish policy wants to reestablish the territorial control of the Ottoman empire and even lay claims over eastern Crete. Territorial waters, in all areas that are smaller than 44 Km across, are split by the Median Line so it's not an issue for a bilateral agreement, the UNCLOS has provisions about that as well as fisheries wrights for areas that become deficient relative to their previous state. In any case the ethnic cleansing of more than 1.5 million Greeks, Armenians and other Christians from the east Aegean coast in 1922 does not give the right to Turkey for further expansion to the west. Eventually they will come to accept this reality one way or another. Frankly with the escalating demands by the Turks, were what's theirs is theirs and what belongs to someone else should be equally divided or else, the question is not IF war will happen, but WHEN it will happen.
@@ANGEL9837354 A peace treaty set in iron clad to hold the peace being broken isn't exactly what I'd call a rational step. I honestly fail to understand what Greece hopes to achieve by sparking a war.
Many inaccuracies, plus I completely disagree with the way facts are presented since it only presents political, law and geographical facts while disregarding military ones, but l will stand on the inaccuracies. Izmir 7 times as big as Athens? So, Izmir houses 35 million people. Also, the video "assumes" that Greece's fear is the heartland, Athens. This is false as what it is feared the most is the Turkish Aegean Army, which has many amphibious units and is a direct threat to the integrity of Greek islands close to Turkish shores.
He literaly said what you just you are just not listening clearly or you are on edge thinking that this video is talking shit about Greece XD or your English sucks
@@sco6729 lol, and Wikipedia is spammed by trolls, especially radicals from Turkey, India, Pakistan, China, and Russia. I can't tell you how many times articles have been blatantly fudged in favour of zealot nationalism and authoritarian countries to make themselves look better and their enemies weak
We don't care? Turkey has countless buildings from various religions. Also if this is a reference to the Hagia Sophia, then no, the building is "actually" and "factually" an islamic building.
IgluTV Nope, Hagia Sophia was built by Christians, under Justinian, all that Turks did was add the minaretes and say it is a Mosque now. Still a Christian-built building. Turks never managed to build anything more magnificent on their own 😆 sorry.
It is not like a lot of the wonder of Europe were build by pagan Romans. What does the different religion have to do with this? This is pure bullshit and I am not even a muslim or a turk
Keep in mind, that the Russians would also strongly oppose a "block" of the Agean by the Greeks, because while the Bosporus-Strait is is an international waterway, their access to the mediterainian by the black sea ports would be blocked by two NATO meberstates...
Greece took part to ww2 , with heavy coast, but came out to side if winners, in the end. So the international law of the sea, didn’t just ‘happened’ to be in Greece’s favor! We fought for that . It is what it, is since 73 years. Inocente passages will never be stop!! Exactly as happens in bosporus strains. The exact same law. As everyone passes from bosporous will pass from greek agean sea, as long as they don’t threat Greece
Caspian Report 's opinion on the matter is biased. He claims that the Aegean will become a Greek Sea if Greece expands her territorial waters to 12NM. Although he acknowledges the UNCLOS provisions of safe passages. So one can question how is that a threat to Turkey ? Safe Passages is a standard that applies on the seas and oceans around the globe. Ships and Navy can cross the sea freely. The only obligation is to obey the law for safe crossing of the sea. Is that a problem for the submarines of two nato alies?? Or the war ships? Certainly not for merchant ships around the globe. It makes no sense claiming that Greece in order not to provoke her neighbor hasn't executed her lawfull right to expand the territorial waters to 12NM but will take advantage of Safe Passages? Take advantage and also pose a threat to Turkish security on what? Free Passage? Needles to say that even if Greece expands her territorial waters to the 12NM line there are still corridors in between of international waters. So even in the scenario that a turkish submarine doesn;t want to cross through the Greek Waters , it can very easily navigate through the remaining international waters.
In all honesty I totally agree with finding a middle solution, but just a reminder, Greece all these years follows a "good neighbor" policy, we dont expand our eez, and even though turkish fighters violate the airspace above our islands we dont violate theirs. On the other hand turks drill for gas in cypriot waters and some of their politicians say that greeks should give to us have half the aegean islands (not just their eez) and they threat us with war. All that the greek government says is that it may come to negotiations after the hostilities and violations stop. Its easy to blame both sides but in reality greece is the one that does its best to be fair(we havent expanded our eez in the aegean all these years even though we have the right) and turkey is the one that has expansionist ideas.
I guess you already expanded your territories three times since the separation from Ottoman Empire, didn't you? Also you have no right to expand your eez according to the Treaty of Lausanne, which says territorial waters of islands are 3 miles for both countries. The last thing is that most islands were supposed to be demilitarized according to the same treaty, but you have soldiers in almost all of them. How do you explain this?
@@burakdumer1612 you mention expansions made a century ago and in lands where greeks lived, sould we reallly srart this discussion? Well how could we leave out islands unprotected when you repeatedly have expansionist policies? You theaten us now that we have army on them, imagine if we didn't, I am pretty sure that if you were a good neighbor without imperialistic ideas we would have them demilitarised but having them demilitarised now is as good as giving them up to you. And about the expansion of eez, you literally attacked Cyprus. Are we supposed to wait for you to conquer as all? If we can take some steps to avoid being conquered by you we should and we will take them. AND if you want to take this a bit further back, according to the serves treaty we should own Smyrna (izmir) and marmara strains... what happened to that treaty? You only accept what fits your imperialistic policies.
@@kostis410 It's been almost 70 years that you militarized islands, way before that there was any conflict. In fact we left the islands to you under the conditions that they would be demilitarized and with no more than 3 miles of territorial waters, without any eez. And according to the Lausanne, Greece would lose sovereignty over the islands in case of any militarization attempt. You agreed on this and you signed the agreement. So from the legal standpoint you already lost your sovereignty on the islands as you breached the treaty. But on top of this, you also want to expand your territorial waters to 12 miles now and have an eez. Why should we let you? We have clearly made an agreement and you have no such right to declare any eez neither in the Aegean nor in the Eastern Mediterranean.
@@kostis410 I guess a few weeks ago your government also sent some troops to the islands on both sides of Kastellorizo. These two islands were not even given to you. They were uninhabited Ottoman islands and never mentioned in the Treaty of Lausanne nor anywhere else, which naturally make them ours as we are the successors of the Ottoman Empire and they are in our continental shelf. But you illegally sent troops and claim that these islands are yours, too. And you blame us that we're expansionists. Just be fair please.
@@burakdumer1612 You also clearly signed the serves treaty which gives us smyrna and the strains.. but when you violate a treaty its not a bad thing right? What happened 70 and 100 years ago shouldn't be what this discussion is about. The problem of the PRESENT is that you violate both greek and Cypriot eez, that you claim that islands with greek inhabitants are turkish, that you wage war in syria and lybia, that you miss your ottoman empire in the 21st century. That's why none of your neighbors like you. As I told you the problem is your behavior, if your people didn't have a sultan and voted for pro-western politicians all these whould belong to the past and we could even be brother nations
UA-camrs really dont study history. Nothing in Greek Turkish affairs can be viewed in less than at least some centuries span. Western Turkey has been Eastern Greek for all recorded history for thousands of years and up to 1922. This is a part of the issue. The islands are close to Greek coast not Turkish coast. This was the mistake and why the situation looks peculiar. Modern Greece is the half part and the other half has been cut off. Even when Turks ovcupied the area politixally with exception of the big city if Smyrna which was renamed 100 years ago, they kept the local Greek populatiob and was outside of Smyrna 90-95% Greek. It was still Greece practically and they had Turkish administrators and paid taxes. Turks have to respect what they anatolian coast is and hiw rhey talk about it and use it when they talk to Greeks. Many peoples grandparents are feom the cast. There were not even mixed there in the coast it was all Greeks except very big cities. It is funny to even talk about the coast to Greece.
(Όχι απάντηση φυσικά στο παραπάνω σχόλιο που επικροτώ, απλώς επιπρόσθετα γράφω το παρακάτω για να το δουν οι αγγλόφωνοι, γιατί ο εξαίρετος σχολιαστής @Paper Toys σε μια σειρά από 5-6 σχόλια του, καταρρίπτει κόσμια μια προς μια όλες τις τούρκικες αξιώσεις και τα τάχα "επιχειρήματα"...Διάβασε τα και εσύ φίλε μου. Άμα τα συμμαζέψει κανείς γίνεται ένα πολύ καλό διαφωτιστικό βίντεο που δυστυχώς καμμία επίσημη ελληνική κρατική υπηρεσία δεν κάνει συστηματικά και συνεχώς, ώστε να διαφωτίζει το αγγλόφωνο κοινό του UA-cam με τις ελληνικές θέσεις) For a serious understanding of ARBITRARY DEMANDS (against any provision of the International Law of Seas as well as the established Treaties and the UN resolutions) of Turkey against Greece's sovereignty (and Cyprus), please find and read carefully ALL the exact comments/answers from the very start of the commentator @Paper Toys in relation to some Turk @Hakan Tekin. My friends all over the World, you will have to devote some time, but you can understand also, all the hidden turkish propaganda in the above video. The said decent "debate" of comments between @Paper Toys v. @Hakan Tekin reveals clearly the difference between the Hellenic Aristotelean Logic v. the sly anatolian way of thinking!...
Russia considers itself the successor of the Byzantine Empire and Moscow is considered the third Rome. I wonder which side Russia will take in the event of a conflict. After all, both Greeks and Russians, Orthodox Christians
@@Felix-hu3ji They will side with Greece. It will let them face off against turkey for the black sea, without NATO getting involved since Greece is also part of Nato
I don’t understand why Turkey does not accept the status quo. This is how it is and Turkey should accept that Aegean is a Greek lake. Who on hell is Turkey? Is it above God and law? Or they think that the blessing of God is only their privilege? So yes the sea is Greek and they need to cross Greek waters. I don’t get the expression Izmir is 7 times bigger than Athens. What the heck... it is their problem... why they do not make it smaller? By the way they can drive to Istanbul or even better they can fly from Izmir.... or do you prefer Greece to ask permission from Turkey to access Greek islands? So if they want to use the sea they have to say hello in Greek. That is countries synergies and if Turkey does not want to accept it , it is her own problem.
Yeah, "crushed" , what are you smoking lol... Both Greece and Turkey can't effective hold the islands in case of all out war and neither of them can mount an effective land invasion ... I don't see what "crushing" is in your dreams , but in reality there simply will be a big amount of dead bodies on both sides , wasted money and no chance of prosperity for the surrounding regions and the islands... But yeah , keep on dreaming .
@Gary Lee I don't think anyone said that it was a direct comparison, only an example of how the Laws of the Sea have been broken in the past when national security is at stake.
@Mycenaean Pretty much. It's always a good idea to remember who is the speaker, the fact of the matter is that Greece has every right and authority to do so according to international law. Turkey can adapt to international law but they just don't want to due to being unable to maintain their aggressive stance/posturing.
TalesOfGod # Both sides claim to act in accordance of international law. Who is right? Greeks and its media claim they are in the right and Turkey and its media claim they are in the right. EU supports Greece, because .. well yeah it’s an EU member. So EU is biased. The whole discussion is basically endless. The UN must open a unbiased commission, open both international law as well as previous rulings of judges about equivalent cases. That might be the only way without a war if both sides are honest, but both sides wouldn’t agree if it ends to their disadvantages. No need to point a finger, because both fight for their interests.
But Turkey wants the resources in Mediterranean sea and Greece and the EU doesn't want Turkey to have them. A bilateral deal wouldn't even came close to a solution.
The point is never a permanent solution, that's not Shirvan's style. It would give both countries breathing room however, a much-needed break so militarists don't have an excuse to encourage further brinksmanship.
CHINA: It is an established fact recognized by the whole international community that the entire Aegean Sea is undisputably Chinese since ancient times.
..ever consider the possibility that shirvan is taking it personally? remeber he IS Azeri (2 nations-1state mentality / azerbaijan-turkey) - this report is totally biased and comes too soon after the other one on the east=med...
I didn't know that things was this complicated in this region, but after looking at the map you showed of both Turkey and Greece I can understand the situation and how there can be problems and they are at each other's throats.
Ok , even though I understand your point I have one problem with how you represent the situation. Greece never tried to be aggressive against tureky , nor is it a threat to it. They are the ones that violate our airspace and instead of seeking diplomatic solutions use gunboat diplomacy with their navy . Furthermore they use reffuges as a weapon to put pressure on Athens and do not recognize the law of the sea at all ( the turko-lybian agreement about EEZ acts like we do not have any islands even though islands have a right to have an EEZ). The problem is turkey tries to act as a superpower and grab all of the Aegean , cut us of our islands and take advantage of it's resources . Also they want to take Kastelorizo since it limits their EEZ significantly. Instead of trying to cooporate within the rules of the UN and seek a solution where we would be able to use our right to have an EEZ and territorial waters at their full extend with them having access to their citys , they are trying to take the hole sea for themselves leaving nothing to Greece , which forces greek lawmakers to take a harsher approach and use the UN rules against them to secure our islands and our claims on the Aegean .( Not to maintion the constant threts by turkey to invade greek islands by their politician and their undermining of greece)
So Turkey has institutionalized the threat of war to its NATO ally, Greece in case the later exercises its legal rights to expand its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles. Turkey has not signed and ratified the Law of the Sea, yet Turkey has used provisions of this law to expand its own maritime borders to 12nm in its extended Black Sea coast- "a la turca" international law exercised by Turkey LOL
@@somatia350 Cyprus is a whole different country itself. It doesn't belong to Turkey, you cant think like it is same as japan or uk. It is only for the little islands.
@@nuiaslou18 Really? So for example Imbros and Tenedos (gocseada and bozcaada) have no territory? What about Malta? Malta is 4 times smaller than Rodos. Does Malta have a territory? What about Mallorca or Corsica? Let's be honest my friend. You want something which does not belong to you.
@@zackamor8043 A simple look on the map shows that Athens is substantially bigger and statistical figures of urban population, urban area as well as urban population density show this too. Athens municipality is just the center and should not be compared to the entire Izmir metropolitan area (which is what happened in this video).
Despite common nonsense in the western media Turkey really can't allow Greece declaring 12 miles territorial waters in Aegean as it would literally mean landlocking a huge part of Turkey like İzmir area (Where same amount of people live as entire Greece) due it is so easy abusing innocent passage that Greece can keep ''inspecting'' every single Turkish ship regardless they are civilian or military!! That would not only create a huge security problem also would deal billions of dolars damage to Turkish economy so Turkey has no choice at all expect using force and it isn't something new neither as Turkey has considered 12 miles territorial waters as a declaration of war since 1983. So the only solution is an agreement between Turkey and Greece which will benefit both countries like that partial increase he mentioned would be perfect but sadly once again despite the common nonsense in western media Greece kept refusing any negotiations and provocating Turkey!! Such as they increased their air space to 12 miles in Aegean which Turkey didn't accept and it is why so many ''air space violations'' happening in there pretty much everyday!! But imagine there is a Turkish ship in 10 miles distance from a Greek island which means they are in international waters but when it's helicopter takes off it ''violates'' Greek air space which is just ridiculous in every way. And lets say an accident happen in there who will save those Turkish sailors?? Hellenic air force??? So increasing air space had absolutely zero practicality that Greece only did that to provoke Turkey and increase territorial waters as well if Turkish respond was weak...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 why do you think greece would give up what is according to international law is rightfully theirs lol, turkey claims an EEZ that completely encloses many greek islands in the Aegean, which is even more egregious than greece's claim. Stop blaming "western media" and realize your president is making your country look like a fool.
@@juch3 Officially claimed Turkish EEZ doesn't enclose any Greek islands expect Kastelorizo alone which is 2 km away from Turkey while it is 550 km away from Athens and there are only 300 people living!! Which is why Turkey claims it can only have 12 miles EEZ not 200 miles like Greece claims, in fact ICJ ruled not once rather twice for similar islands that they can only have 12 miles EEZ!! Here reduce your ignorance a little bit and learn some international laws: ''the court found that Snake Island did not form part of Ukraine’s coastal configuration, explaining that “to count [Snake] Island as a relevant part of the coast would amount to grafting an extraneous element onto Ukraine’s coastline; the consequence would be a judicial refashioning of Geography”. The court concluded that Snake Island “should have NO EFFECT on the DELIMITATION in this case, other than that stemming from the role of the 12-NAUTICAL-MILE ARC of its territorial sea” www.languagesoftheworld.info/russia-ukraine-and-the-caucasus/ukraine-romania-border-conflict-islands.html ''The zone has an unusual keyhole like shape, with a 20-km wide and 348-km-long narrow corridor that ran south of the islands. The corridor was supposed to give France access to its EEZ from international waters without having to pass through the Canadian EEZ.'' www.amusingplanet.com/2017/05/st-pierre-and-miquelon-last-french.html As you can see ICJ ruled both Saint-Pierre-and-Miquelon and Snake islands can have only 20 km/ 12 miles EEZ exactly same as Turkey defends not 200 miles like Greece moronically claims at all so Turkey's true intention isn't claiming EEZ of Crete or Rhodes rather stop Greece unlawfully claiming 104,000 km2 and reduce Turkey's EEZ to only 41,000 km2...
Nice video, but too neutral to the point it is not fair, meaning (for example) that the air forces of both countries aren't taunting each other. Turkey is the one violating Greece's airspace not the other way around
If two airforce are playing chicken with eachother that's taunting. It does not matter who is in the right in regards to airspace. Taunting is the correct word
No it's just only reports very one sided in European media. On reality there is alot of Greek jets entering Turkish airspace as well and not always it is on purpose it is a very thin line between these two
Compromise means that both sides have to give something. In your ‘’independent’’ video I cannot find what Turkey will give. Law of the seas is the written solution for all the disputes between civilized countries, all the rest are extremist and militaristic opinions of a Neo-Ottoman arrogant leader.
Despite common nonsense in the western media Turkey really can't allow Greece declaring 12 miles territorial waters in Aegean as it would literally mean landlocking a huge part of Turkey like İzmir area (Where same amount of people live as entire Greece) due it is so easy abusing innocent passage that Greece can keep ''inspecting'' every single Turkish ship regardless they are civilian or military!! That would not only create a huge security problem also would deal billions of dolars damage to Turkish economy so Turkey has no choice at all expect using force and it isn't something new neither as Turkey has considered 12 miles territorial waters as a declaration of war since 1983. So the only solution is an agreement between Turkey and Greece which will benefit both countries like that partial increase he mentioned would be perfect but sadly once again despite the common nonsense in western media Greece kept refusing any negotiations and provocating Turkey!! Such as they increased their air space to 12 miles in Aegean which Turkey didn't accept and it is why so many ''air space violations'' happening in there pretty much everyday!! But imagine there is a Turkish ship in 10 miles distance from a Greek island which means they are in international waters but when it's helicopter takes off it ''violates'' Greek air space which is just ridiculous in every way. And lets say an accident happen in there who will save those Turkish sailors?? Hellenic air force??? So increasing air space had absolutely zero practicality that Greece only did that to provoke Turkey and increase territorial waters as well if Turkish respond was weak...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 In modern times all the peaceful countries follow the law of the sea not the "law" of the strongest. Kazakhstan is the 9th biggest country of the world but is landlocked, imagine if one day they want territorial control over a costal area. Europe had enough of Turkish Neo-ottoman plans. Turkey provokes all its neighbors Armenia, Greece, Syria, Kurdistan, Cyprus, Egypt. It is time that the civilized world teaches them that they have to show respect to international law otherwise they should have major sanctions.
@@xtryfonos Always same nonsense about Greece being a very ''civilized'' country and always ''respecting'' international laws etc etc while i guess Greece was supporting EOKA-B terrorists on Cyprus in order to annex Cyprus according to international laws, right?? LMAO!! You people were saying exactly same things about Cyprus as well that ''Turkey can't do anything as they would face major sanctions rather they are only bluffing'' but at the end Turkey invaded half of the island against illegal and wicked Greek actions while nobody did absolutely anything against Turkey!! And exactly same thing will happen again...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Civilized countries do not threat other counties with war, they respect international law. Europe has the power and the means to secure this. Be sure.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 you realise that that Turkish ships could still travel along the Turkish coasts.. The law is law. You cant just claim a foreign territory just because you want it.
@iwonnatube Erik Grobler is right, Greece can easily be coerced to close off the Aegean by the US or the EU. Greece increasing its territorial waters would turn the Aegean into the biggest bargaining chip in any West vs. Russia deal, same with any West vs. Turkey deal.
@iwonnatube Honestly, the international law only works if everyone agrees to comply with it. If someone doesn't, international law doesn't mean shit. It is an agreed upon agreement and if someone didn't sign it (like Turkey) or later chooses to withdraw or disregard it, it doesn't have legs to stand on. The key here is it needs to be "agreed upon" by "all parties". This is common sense, but I know common sense can be lost on the irrational and the dimwitted, so I am not holding my breath that you will understand it.
@iwonnatube See, told you, you didn't get it. You thought I am against the entirety of the international law when I am only against applying a provision of the international law to parties that didn't sign that particular provision. Btw, looking at Greece's expansionist rhetoric, it makes me think that Greece wants to go back to barbarism and violence.
@iwonnatube "it doesn't matter what Turkey signed or didn't sign. If it comes to the ICJ the court will take the UNCLOS as a base for its judgement, not some maps Cavusoglu's daughter drew, as he showed in front of the EU parliamentary debate the other day, not some erratic ideas that Erdogan holds about a continental shelf that extends to Greenland, not the size of Turkey vs the size of Greece, but only the internationally accepted law." I see the irrational more clearly now.
8:00 you cant say B without saying the A, too. Cuban crisis and Soviet attempt to weaponise Cuba was response to previous US actions( installation of US rockets in Turkey and threatening Soviet heartland) and its solution was that both US removes their rockets and Soviets wont install theirs- painting one sided picture is not good for ones channel trustworthiness.
As you said, both sides removed their nukes so, Turkey do not increase their territorial waters, and Greece do not need to increase their territorial waters as well. If they do this, this means Greece do not behave friendly, they behave aggressor. Then, Turkey need to respond this aggression. However, Greece says Turkey behaves aggressively, even though Greece do it.
@@ahmetylmaz1119 well Turkey does behave aggressively, understandingly but still aggressively. Greece has her reasons, legal and understandable reasons, Greece may feel that have her territory connected is good enough reason for her, most states would think the same( just as Turkey feels she must pretend for sake of her stability there are and always been only Turks in Turkey and Kurds are Turks and Armenians just left and disappeared after WW1) and so has Turkey her reasons to oppose it, theres no absolute wrong or right in this situation and none of them is and never been friendly to each other. As I see it the problem is that first Turkish actions during last decade made most of her NATO allies vary and suspicious and now she responds to Greek actions( which arent illegal under agreed laws) aggressively and denying legality of those actions. Instead of calling for compromise and proposing some solution using those internationally accepted rules and examples( as we saw in the vid there are many) to pressure Greeks Turkey uses its military which never looks good and will be always formally condemned by Western politicians .So is really no wonder Greece, EU member, has more backing from Western powers and Turkey, questioning her NATO membership, gets pictured as the more aggressive one here.
@@OKANGUVEN99 Not really, it was relevant cos those Cold War stories are usully told from very onesided POV and I fail to see how is Cuban Crisis( two powers using third countries to upset or regain balance of power) in any way similar to the current Greek/ Turkish problem. So there was no need to include it at all but when it was included it would be honest to tell is as it actually happened.
@@ahmetylmaz1119 In what planet are you living? Who has mentioned territorial waters in the last months while the two fleets faced one another? No one. This is all about Turkey declaring that islands have ZERO EEZ (not about territorial waters and 12 miles therefore) and then paraded its fleet to prove the point. The rest of the planet told Turkey to wake up and smell the coffee and thankfully it seems they did. I don't recall anyone threatening a war because they refuse to go to the Hague for a dispute on EEZ, only Turkey does that.
"Dura lex sed lex" (Tough law, but law nonetheless). When a law doesn't suit us, we do not ignore it (and threaten the other side with war). Turkey has no security concerns; Greece is a modern, civilized, advanced European Country, abiding to all international laws. The only party threatening the other with war is Turkey. Since this post, Turkey has escalated its provocations, meeting the reaction of both the United States and the European Union, and as you correctly pointed out, these are the external borders of the European Union...
@@jean-francoisdupre3880 how the hell is that a gain if the thin layer of negotiation or whatever the hell it is they introduce is completely ignored as it is time and time again they don’t do anything they can’t do anything
@@rjeverett6223 Well that's the point: international law, and nothing else than the UN defines it, remains a basis for negotiation. A reference that, like it or not, every one uses.
I mean when you see the level of Greek territory in the agean sea it kinda makes sense that its a Greek lake. I know they have distances of established Domaine for every sea bordering country, but the agean seems entirely Greek
Well, Turkey cares. If the eagean sea is completely blocked by the greeks a strait is pretty much useless. That strait is useful because it allows access to mediterranian from black sea. Yet In a case of greek blockade this is no longer the case. It's a matter of survival at this point. What is right or wrong wouldn't matter to Turkey.
No, Turkey actually doesn't claim ownership of any islands. In the treaty of Lausanne it is specified that any island and rock further away than 3 miles off the coast of Turkey belongs to Greece. Dodecanese doesn't abide to that rule as it was ceded to Italy by Ottoman government in 1911 with the treaty of Uchy. As such Turkey doesn't claim any sovereign land of Greece for, land borders are already agreed upon. The story about sea borders is entirely different though as there is no delimitation agreement with Greece.
@@robertgittings8662 He is not just from a n y w h e r e in the middle east friend, he is from azerbaijan sort of like turkeys sister, their best ally.. they speak the same languge more or less, they are o n e nation.. get the drift
@@djam5478 first of all this video proposes a solution that can accomodate also Greek interests, moreover Azerbaijan is not Turkey I am ITALIAN and I don't necessarily side with countries who speak neolatin languages
Ah! I have been a diligent viewer of Caspian report ever since it had 15k subscribers, always admiring the neutral perspective of the channel on subjects that are really hard to be objective. As a greek, i am somewhat dissapointed on Shirvan's take on the matter even though i understand that is hard for an azeri to reach to an objective observation on this issue. With that being said, the collapse of the multinational, multiethnic Ottoman Empire has caused such a confusion and instability to my part of the world that even to this day is hard to really understand the shitstorm that is the Balkans, Anatolia, the Levant etc. Still, thank you Shirvan for giving your perspective on the matter, i will not stop respecting this channel's integrity. Keep up the good work.
Those islands are Greek because Greeks live in them, and have done so for thousands of years. I understand that the international law is inconvenient to Turkey, but sea boundaries are just like as land boundaries. And countries should not simply ignore the laws that do not benefit them. All Turkey needs to do is respect international law, and get along, than all the issues you listed could be fixed, they are both in NATO, and Turkish ships would not be restricted to travel from Black sea to the Mediterranean , much of these challenges exist because Turkey choses to bully their way into getting what they want.
So why don't you follow the lausanne and paris agreements, which are international agreements? Why should only Turkey respect and comply? Don't be a hypocrite. You're the one who doesn't want to deal diplomatically because you know you're wrong and you're going to lose. It's not just me, it's your deputies, your researchers agree.
If Turkey recognised that their neighbour Greece has for many years not extended their territorial waters to 12 miles it would have been nice. However, Turkey after drilling and searching for oil in Cypriot and Greek waters, signing an agreement with Libya to exploit Greek waters although they do not even have borders, claiming that half of the Aegean sea is Turkish, claiming that 150 Greek islands hosting Greek populations for thousands of years are Turkish, claiming that islands should not have any EEZ, not recognising international court etc can not expect any favours. Unfortunately, this is what you get from your neighbour when you treat him like that.
Greece stated that he does NOT recognize international court in 2015. Its written in the internet site of Hellenic republic ministry of foreign affairs.I think Greece should accept ICJ as binding to solve the issues via dialogue instead of sending battleships
@@bansheee1 you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Greece clearly accepts the international court and constantly asks Turkey to take the case to it to resolve the issues. However, Turkey does not recognise the international court, the international law, the law of the sea, it does not give a shit about international law. By the way Turkey sends battleships to the Greek islands.......the Greek battleships are meant to be close to the Greek islands. Or maybe the Greek NAVY should go to the Atlantic Ocean and leave the islands as a present to Turkey? Come to your senses.
@@rodantho1 Noo duude i looked quite detailly. www.itlos.org/en/jurisdiction/declarations-of-states-parties/declarations-made-by-states-parties-under-article-298/ (Signed) Evangelos Venizelos www.mfa.gr/en/issues-of-greek-turkish-relations/ and a quotation from Hellenic republic ministiry of foreigns affairs: "By declaration made in 2015, Greece has excluded from the jurisdiction of the Tribunal of the Convention the delimitation of maritime zones, according to article 298 of the Convention" So greece only accept ICJ on EEZ on eastern mediterranian. But the aegean problems 12 miles dispute and arming of the islands he clearly states that he does NOT recognize ICJ Basicly turkey says "ok ICJ is reasonable but in all issues not just EEZ".Ministery of foreign affairs of turkey has given speeches like this(more or less) .
@@bansheee1 and what is the problem with that? Turkey does not even accept the existence of International court and the international law by 100%. It has not even signed it. Turkey does not accept the ICJ on any issue...it pretends that it does not exist. Greece as every country in the world has the right to arm its islands since Turkey has created on purpose the largest fleet of landing ships in the world which is designed to invade Greek islands and based on the invasion in Cyprus this clearly legitimate right. Turkey says that half of the Aegean sea and 150 islands, many of them inhabited by Greeks for thousands of years belong to her. You need to study things a little bit better.
@@rodantho1 you are right and i am not defending turkey's actions. Turkey and Greece should accect ICJ without exclusions and settle this issue there without destabilazing the region.Islands are greek's nobody says otherwise.Dispute is not about the ownership of islands but about arming them and territorial waters. so greece say "i dont care about ICJ on these issues". turkey replies : "I dont care either but if you increase your territorial waters i will use force" seems like a good pair
As you have pointed out,there have been many proposals to ease the turkish fears about being blocked out of the Aegean and all the rest of their supposed "fears". But they deny all those proposals,Turkey that is. Turkey doesnt just fear all the above cause the waters that are now international will become greek,Turkey claims that the waters that according to Law of the Sea should become greek,are turkish instead. They claim half of the Aegean by the unique turkish idea that islands dont have rights to 12nm territorial waters nor EEZ rights,only mainland does. So they see the Aegean as an empty sea with 2 coasts and they draw a line in the middle of those coasts and thats what they claim,along with some various greek islands that according to them their ownership is questionable according to Lausanne or Paris treaties,or even worse they want a renegotiation of those treaties entirely,something that Erdogan in his latest visit to Greece openly stated in front of all the greek people. Turkey as we speak is on an imperialist power trip. You have totally missed the point in this video of yours. You only got to check the MoU they signed with the faction of Tripoli in Libya about their sea borders or Mavi Vatan map,Mavi Vatan meaning blue Homeland,where half the Aegean is turkish sea and surrounds greek islands and also you can see turkish sea going as far as south of Crete. Not even Crete according to them doesnt have 12nm territorial waters or EEZ. Which is quite far away from the turkish coasts. Which proves that their rhetoric about being blocked off etc are no sense and hippocritical.
@Huthless Hobbie Lawler that's what neo Nazis would like to think. However neither are there uprisings, nor are European countries (besides Russia and Belarus) ""tyrannical"".
If the shoe was on the other foot Turkey would not give an inch to the Greeks.The Turks just like China is have disputes with all their neighbours. This video fails to mention a lot of key points that sadly it hasn’t reported.
Arda You need to understand that the Greeks are following international marine laws.They are not in anyway doing anything illegal like Turks did with the genocide 100 years ago,which to this day they are denied it.How can you possibly believe what comes out of the current Turkish dictatorship government,which is dragging turkey back to the dark ages .Im not been rude ,it’s just the truth.
Despite common nonsense in the western media Turkey really can't allow Greece declaring 12 miles territorial waters in Aegean as it would literally mean landlocking a huge part of Turkey like İzmir area (Where same amount of people live as entire Greece) due it is so easy abusing innocent passage that Greece can keep ''inspecting'' every single Turkish ship regardless they are civilian or military!! That would not only create a huge security problem also would deal billions of dolars damage to Turkish economy so Turkey has no choice at all expect using force and it isn't something new neither as Turkey has considered 12 miles territorial waters as a declaration of war since 1983. So the only solution is an agreement between Turkey and Greece which will benefit both countries like that partial increase he mentioned would be perfect but sadly once again despite the common nonsense in western media Greece kept refusing any negotiations and provocating Turkey!! Such as they increased their air space to 12 miles in Aegean which Turkey didn't accept and it is why so many ''air space violations'' happening in there pretty much everyday!! But imagine there is a Turkish ship in 10 miles distance from a Greek island which means they are in international waters but when it's helicopter takes off it ''violates'' Greek air space which is just ridiculous in every way. And lets say an accident happen in there who will save those Turkish sailors?? Hellenic air force??? So increasing air space had absolutely zero practicality that Greece only did that to provoke Turkey and increase territorial waters as well if Turkish respond was weak...
perhaps this is a long term plan to undermine the Erdogan regime and force the hand of the USA to interveen or els discredit the NATO alliance to not be in EU and greek interest?
Ggoddkkiller I respect your opinions but to say common nonsense from the western media is a low blow,when it’s well documented that millions of people were killed buy the Turks. Mistakes were made from a lot of countries,not just Turkey,the key is to recognise mistakes ,apologise,so they don’t happen again.As people on this planet we all need to become better as a society and live in peace.
nice video. Athens is actually as big as Izmir. This 7 times is due to the municipality laws in Greece. In practice, the municipality of Athens is just the center of the city but not the port for example.
The issue here is neither national security nor freedom of navigation but the Exclusive Economic Zone that is gas and oil. Turkey has a long coast but, according to International law, has limited EEZ. Turkey following coercive policies towards Greece is trying to bring Greece on the diplomatic table and to force a solution through negotiations rather than by implementing the provisions of International Law.
Although they are intertwined EEZ is the friction at Northern Mediterranean and relatively new one. Aegean dispute is over territorial waters, EEZ doesn't even apply (islands are too close to Turkish mainland) and it is much older one.
@@Paulynyc All rights EEZ can give is already included in territorial waters, it is your own property you don't need EEZ to grant you rights for it ? Main dispute is over 6nm - 12nm discussion of these territorial waters hence the casus belli from Turkish side. How will you have EEZ in an area where one territorial water ends and other one starts right away ? Greece wants to extend it's territorial waters to include areas that are considered international waters right now. Basically not leaving any part of Aegean which is not part of a country. Reaching Turkish territorial waters from all points. Opening path for them to control entire Black Sea - Mediterranean traffic. This is more than EEZ when they can block any ship's passage at will. Otherwise they have economical presence, fishing etc already in these areas without a problem. You have a land mass and 12nm inward to sea from this landmass you can call "this is my waters, my country". After this 12nm, for another 12nm you have your contiguous zone. And then for 176nm, you can call, this is international waters but for "economical" resources I have "exclusive" rights. If you wanna fish, you need my permission. This happens when you have no neighbors, you are not in a inner sea etc most basic scenario for Exclusive Economic Zone. Now let's take Aegean sea, you have a land mass, you go 12nm, you are already 3nm away from a Turkish island or even the main land, where do you fit the EEZ ? Are you gonna walk in Turkish main land and go to a river ask the guy to not fish there ? And for calling people "high" in things you didn't even thought over more than 10 seconds, you must be dumb.
Unbiased report "Turkey cannot allow the Aegean to become a GREEK LAKE and the reason for this is tied directly to national security" "that is a security threat no country would accept regardless of who is right". These phrases and many more show that you are taking a side. So Turkish aggression is perfectly justified right? Also your way of thinking that the Athens uses the islands as a buffer zone, is highly faulty. Greece is not only Athens, Greece is it's islands and sea that we dearly hold in our hearts and we are not going to abandon them no matter what. The law should be respected, the is no doubt that some agreements can be made between the two countries, but firstly the Turkish politicians should not provoke us with their army. If Turkey wants cooperation they should not threaten Greece. Search about Imia in 1996 and try to justify Turkey once more, also check about the crisis of 1987 and tell me if again Turkey was the righteous one between the two sides. Once more you do not present the two sides and the way they handle their foreign policies, because you are pro-Turkish and it doesn't add up to your rhetoric.
Cmon shivran dont be so biased, i dont want to unfollow you i like your content. You are well aware who is the agressor in this case and who has legal claim. I assume from your name you are from azerbajan.
You assume a lot. I think it's painfully clear that Greeces Actions are a serious Threat to Turkish Security. The Problem is that Greece is a puppet State, controlled by other Nations. Greece is a Playingfield for bigger Powers. Those Powers are willing to let Greece burn.
Problem is with the Greeks! Today they are reaching to our coast and next day they'll say that Turkish land is ours now and the UN aka Useless nations will favour Greece for being Christian.. Actually my point is UN is just useless in fairly partitioning... Treaty of Lausania will eventually end in 2023 , I hope we'll take back islands if UN doesn't take interest
Consider also Japan and Taiwan's solution for their overlapping maritime boundaries in the East China Sea. Japan signed the UNCLOS, Taiwan is unable to sign the UNCLOS, but both entered maritime delimitation agreement for their overlapping EEZs.
Rather disappointing. Generally this channel does a good job of portraying a neutral, in-depth review of the issue. But this video is staunchly advocating Turkey's perspective rather than giving us a neutral understanding.
@Sreenivas GV So in the name of avoiding war, Greece should sacrifice its rightful sovereignty and abandon its lawful rights in the Aegean? Do you have any idea that Turkey is claiming half of the Aegean sea, not recognizing that islands are territory with exclusive economic rights? If Greece were to accept the Turkish claims of the ultranationalist "Blue Homeland" project, Greek islands like Chios, Lesbos, Rhodes, Kos and Samos would become enclaves surrounded by another country much like Berlin was in East Germany in the Cold War. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of Europeans living there permanently, and their livelihood is dependent on the sea and trade with the mainland. The Azeri guy who made this, who obviously takes a completely biased approach benefiting Turkey, does not take account that Turkey is the aggressor here. Greece does not claim Turkish lands. Greece does not threaten Turkish citizens that they will "be thrown into the sea like their ancestors" (obviously a reference to the Smyrna massacre of innocent Greek, Armenian and Jew families in 1922). Greece Is not currently invading and occupying territories from 3 separate countries (Cyprus, Syria, Libya). Greece does not disregard NATO's rules by buying Russian missile systems. Greece is not challenging the status quo by asking for revisions in past signed treaties. Greece only wants to abide by international law and prosper. Greece is the smaller, more civilized and much more peaceful country. Greece does not carry a burden of mass genocide, nor did they invade anyone around them. Do you think that having Turkey as a neighbor is the same as having Denmark or Finland or Luxemburg or any other European country? Miss me with that rhetoric, Europeans are basically one nation by now, with the only barrier being some ethics here and there and of course language. But anyway, do you think cowering and giving in to the unreasonable demand of ultranationalist wannabe emperors will bring peace? What kind of mentality is that? Let me answer that for you. Its the mentality that Neville Chamberlain had when confronting Adolf Hitler's nationalist, revisionist and chauvinistic demands. "Let him have half of Czechoslovakia, that will be the end of it". You cannot appease a bully, and the Turkish regime is not a democratic, transparent, friendly westerner. Giving in will only bolden them, which is something that nobody in the Eastern Mediterranean wants. Which is why everyone is rallying behind Greece's back. Because its the right thing to do, and the only thing that should be done.
I feel like the channel rarely editorialises but the idea that a diplomatic solution is preferable to unilateral ones in this instance is a piece of editorialising I'm ok with. I do think a unique solution will be needed owing to the fairly unique nature of the geography of the region and the longstanding acrimony between the two nations.
well this comment section turned into a mess real quick. I feel like Greece has every right to claim these waters, but they should probably leave a corridor open between its territorial waters to allow better passage. There should probably be a provision in the Law of the sea for these kinds of scenarios where a body of water is only accessible by passing through one countries waters. The same should apply for the Bosporus and the Sea of Marmara despite how close they are to the coast, so all states bordering the black see have equal access to the Mediterranean. (basically the Montreux Convention is way overdue for an update, the I doubt that will happen anytime soon)
All commercial shipping can pas through the territorial waters of a country without problems...military ships have the right to pass but from the shortest route . They just don't have the right " to hung around" Denmark for example cannot deny access to anybody at the Baltic sea, Spain and marocco cannot deny access to anybody in the Mediterranean sea....The blocking of turkey or Russia by the expansion of the greek territorial waters is just another turkish lie....
If the Islands in the Aegean sea were taken by the Greeks after the WW2 with their full rights, your comment would be totally correct. However, after the ww2, the islands were given the Greeks on the condition of not arming them. Thus, Greek govs, in any curcimstances cannot hold full rights on the Ciclades islands and the possession of the islands are conditional. Thus, according to the treaty of Lousanne 1923 and Paris 1947, any decision on the mentioned islands should be made bilaterally.
@@AlperenBAYRAM it is also forbidden to store nukes on the territory of the former GDR and there are limits on troops stationed there. Its still 100% part of german territory and they dont need to ask anyone if they want to do something with it as long as they arent putting nukes there. Its still their territory, and I doubt those treaties would be violated by expanding their territorial waters. Otherwise according to your logic the Bosporus would not fully belong to Turkey because the Montreux Convention limits the tonnage of warships allowed to pass through it.
@@AlperenBAYRAM the militarization of the islands and their rights for territorial waters and EEZ are completely different things ,and are not related in any way. After the treaty of Lausanne the Aegean islands had 3nm territorial waters (the maximum allowed at that time) the same as mainland Greece and Turkey (at that time).. The militarization of the Aegean islands started after the formation of the Turkish "Aegean army" whose sole purpose is a potential invasion of the greek islands. We would be mentally retarded if we wouldn't answer to that threat (We all know what happened in Cyprus when the greek army withdraw from the island) ....Nevertheless, the militarization of some Aegean islands is the only turkish claim that has legal backing all the other are totally obnoxious.. army units will remain in the islands until turkey starts to behave as a normal European country. ( Meaning until the end of time) . I have to remind you that among the provisions of the treaty of Lausanne was a) autonomy for the islands of imbros (gokceada) and tenedos (bozcaada) the only Aegean islands that remained under turkish sovereignty. b) 200000 greek orthodox Christians were supposed to stay at imbros tenedos and Constantinople and 100000 Muslims at west Thrace..Are there any greek orthodox Christians at imbros tenedos or Constantinople today ? no there not.....are any Muslims in west thrace today? Yes they are 150000....are the islands of imbros and tenedos autonomous? No there is no use for that since the autochthonous population was eliminated...You see my friend turkey was the first to violate the treaty of Lausanne. In fact turkey never respected any treaty that ever signed...
Your video may be unintentionally biased as it does not list all the facts!!! Some of the facts you do not mention are: 1. the possibility of innocent passage of ships through the sea waters of another state which means that peaceful crossings of merchant ships, warships and even submarines are allowed under the same UN legislation, which invalidates the argument of "dismemberment" of Turkey. 2. the questioning of the sovereignty of entire islands of Greece. These islands are under the sovereignty of Greece through the Treaty of Lausanne signed by Turkey after Greek-Turkish war of 1922. The domination of the Dodecanese and Kastelorizo has been delivered by Italy to Greece after World War II. Turkey disputes the former as obsolete because it is now a "big" country with 81,000,000 and the latter because it did not participate in the signing!! 3. Turkey uses people (refugees) as weapons of an asymmetric economic war to European countries. 4. Turkey has a general border review stance (Syria, Libya, Cyprus). 5. the Aegean sea has been inhabited by Greek cultures since the Bronze Age. Nevertheless, Turkey speaks of a "blue homeland". 6. Turkey wants to build a nuclear plant in a seismic area with a risk to both itself and the surrounding area. 7. The insult of cultural monuments as a show of strength as happened in Hagia Sophia The only issue that should be discussed is the demarcation of an exclusive economic zone and the unacceptable launch of investigations under the protection of Turkish war ships.
in regards to the point you make at number 2 where Turkey doesn't recognize Italy's concession of the Dodecanese: Turkey renounced all claims and recognized Italy's ownership over the islands in 1923 as part of the Treaty of Lausanne (Article 15), so Turkey didn't have much right to say anything about the islands being handed over to Greece by Italy, as Italy had every right to decide who it should go to as it was theirs, a fact that Turkey itself recognized.
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China lied, people died
I'd like to see a video on the geopolitical impact of a disputed election in America and the violence that could follow, including the possibility of civil conflict. In fact i came across a video that explores the long and short term factors that could lead to CIVIL WAR in the United States: ua-cam.com/video/EeF61LRYSKk/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MyTake
@@drunkensailor3736 Yes, My Take is another great geopolitical channel. I keep forgetting to watch that video you link to, so I think I'm going to watch it now.
@@ra8784 Trump lied and Woodward shied, and people died.
How come my initial comment was deleted? UN law is international law and must be followed.
Get down! The 47th Greco-Turkish comment war just kicked off, you don't want to be hit by a stray greek or turkish flag emoji!
Attack!!!🇹🇷🇬🇷
🍿 I can’t wait to see this!
Welp, i've not yet seen either side waging a war on the comment section.
Edit: Jesus, i wish i weren't wrong. The amount of salt i saw as i scrolled down is too much.
Just to mix it up ✈️💣🇫🇷💣
based
When you think you're useless, just think about nato in this topic.
only in this topic??!
😂😂😂
in this topic? man you really need to read up on nato's and the UN's history, completely useless.
@@amerlad the fact that South Korea and Bosnia still exist debunks your statement
@@christianweibrecht6555 oh the only reason south korea exists is because US interests were endangered by the chinese/north korean invasion.
it had nothing to do with nato itself or the UN for that matter
and if these assholes cant stop a fucking genocide what can they stop or start?
(rwandan genocide*)
There are more comments warning about Greeks/Turks arguing down here that there are Greeks and Turks arguing down here.
And here there is a comment arguing about a comment warning about there being more comments warning than comments arguing.
Both of keyboard warriors how they cant understand greece and turkey cant f fight in eagean or eastern med.
Any greeks here? Lets make the comments even
(lol jk)
@@ComradeDoubleM me bruh
@@gio-nc7og so about those nautical miles...
China: as we can see on this old Chinese map, those islands are mine
The aegean sea is Europe's South China Sea
Lmao
not funny didn’t laugh
@@shawnv123 dumb comment didn't care about or ask for your opinion
@@allenjohns5715 nobody asked for yours either
American and European weapons manufacturers: "I see this as an absolute win".
Of course ! Starts by France that managed to finally sell some rafles in Europe!
wizzzer1337 these people do not require western encouragement to start killing each other, their history is reason enough. The Turks have their own well developed arms industry by the way.
you always find weapons to buy if you need.. the weapons producers didnt start this conflict... as if greece and turkey were kids
No man we produce our own weapons, %83 of them. But greece is buying weapons, with big money. That is why u will never trust france, coz after they sell macron called Erdoğan for agreements 😂
we are actually good at military industry we produce our weapons and technological stuff so yeah
Me just chilling
Shirvan: Greece and Turkey on the edge of war
If the Turks have a war. Greece and France within 2 hours. It ends. Turks are very strong. It burns Greece. Turks are strong enough to beat all Europe and the USA ..
@Read the fount of knowledge by St. John of Damascus 70 countries already. It is established in the territory of the Turks. Arab states. In Greece and Armenia. All the way to Africa. How! If God "takes back the life. In TURKS, he will take his own.
I like ur MC skin tho ;)))
@@evrenalper6078 lol
@@evrenalper6078 remember, children, never do drugs.
"Aegean is not a Greek lake, Aegean is not a Turkish lake either because Aegean is not a lake."
-Süleyman Demirel
Edit: Shirvan is wrong, the war has already started in the comments.
why is this funny
USA will have another CIVIL WAR? Check out this video ua-cam.com/video/EeF61LRYSKk/v-deo.html
Bolloks
Aegean is a sea full of Greek islands and if demirel couldn't see it, it's not Greece's problem
The Agean belongs to its fish.
Aegean is a sea full of Greek islands and 12nms around them is Greek aerea.
Greece and Turkey, extend their territorial waters to 11 km from shore line
China: Amateurs...
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@@tiltv3953 Bread
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"If Europe ever has a war it'll be caused by some dammed silly incident in the Balkands" - Von Bismark
Aegean: -"Allow me to intreduce my self"
And while the Balkans where held by the Ottomans most of their medival period to late 19 century,Western Europe fought almost every war on the planet.Colonising Africa and Americas,subjugating people.And you go and bitch about the Balkans.
@@lukamuselimovic3504 im not bitching about the Balkands my friend. Im quoting a famous quote by Bismarck. Ironically he said this not too long before the Archduke incident. Get off your high horse mate.
Yep
@@lukamuselimovic3504 😂😂 one spread human rights, abolished slavery and brought advanced technology to every corner of the globe, the other was an aggressive super state of its day that sold slaves from every corner it conquered, massacred populations, and brought nothing to anyone other than suffering.
I really hope there won’t be a war. No one wins in that.
War is not likely. Everyone there is too dependent on the other in multiple ways. As you say, no one wins that hypothetical war. And they're all aware of that.
Today there are better ways to piss off and fight each other than conventional war.
Unless someone wins
Look I also donot wish for war, but unfortunately it is coming no matter what, everywhere around the world now there are problems that are heating up either between countries or the people inside these countries, almost like the same senario for world war 1 but add more and more salt to it. This is armageddon or in Islam it is called Malhama coming in the next year or year and a half God knows best when, The global dept is reaching its peak like in the next 5 month or so and most countries wouldn't be able to pay it off which is going to raise severe problems, and trust all this is indeed proved and lots of experts say so. But do not be depressed or confused at all, stay strong and upright.
@@Abdullah-mu1xb people always thought they were about to see a huuge catastrophe, and that it was going to be worse than ever before. These conflicts come and go. With global interdependence stronger than ever before in human history, conventional war between major nations are less and less likely to happen. Stay realistic, guys
The banks win
Friendly reminder, The Balkans is the powder keg of Europe.
@@drunkensailor3736 do you go everywhere pasting this?
@@appleslover I'm sure he or she does. My Take has very loyal acolytes. That's how I found out about them. It's a one-guy, small operation, but very good content.
@@GeraBrown To be fair, what My Take is saying is rather pertinent right now. The US elections are coming up, and the situation is somewhat volatile. He also does seem to understand that the US's problems are mostly because of a biased two party system and the ever increasing affluence and influence of the richest 0.1%. Regular people's opinions are being marginalised by a wealthy minority and it is bringing the US to a rupturing point.
Friendly reminder it was made this way.
Except, this is not on the the Balkans!
"War does not determine who is right, only who is left." - B. Russell
@Furor Turcica simply said, it pays off to lie and justice doesn't count. There is a special place in Hell for these people and it's very deep down.
@Anonymous Ninja xD well, we have the freedom to chose, while animals, according to the Islamic faith, obey 100% to God's will.
no mortal will know who is left until the end of time, might is right in the short term, in the long term friends come and go while enemies accumulate.
So true.
You mean the winner is a leftist ?
I don't care about the actual war. This comment section is more fun.
more fun than the war? no way!
@Sal Vastola Death to all systems that would cause greater harm in present or future times.
Spared shall be those who are full of luck to find themselves not within this battle.
There will be no war. If war breaks out, both countries will lose.
Scenario 1:
If Greece attacks:
Turks have a much larger army. And it can bear some of its losses.
If Greece lost the war could be lost island close to Turkey.
They lose their income from tourism.
Aggressor loses legitimacy and righteousness
The weak economy goes into greater strain.
Scenario 2:
If Turkey attacks:
Although the Turks have a larger army, Greece would be in a better position as defending would be more advantageous.
Instant embargo by Europe against Turkey.
They lose their income from tourism.
Aggressor loses legitimacy and righteousness
The weak economy goes into greater strain.
You hit it right on the nose it's getting harder for stable countries to declare war on other stable countries the more integrated the world becomes
@Sultan Abdulhameed II "Turkey is a peaceful nation" as they say.
I don't think we should be concerned about one deliberately attacking the other, for the reasons you have pointed out. But I think an accidental war is a concern. These types posturing and border clashes could lead to serious incidents that might escalate out of control.
Do I think that is likely? No. But do I think it is possible? Yes.
@Sultan Abdulhameed II and as cordoba was and toledo ... and and and
also, as a european state I don't think greece could have the right to declare war to turquey, because it would involve all the other european countries. Turquey might have a big army, but it's mostly old tanks, and it does not have the capacity to invade another land because of its navy. I don't think a war is soon to be declared because none of its potential beligerant could win it.
*You said oil?!*
*America:* time to free the mediteranean from water tyranny
@wargent99 Ok boomer
i love how u made a great joke/meme and people go all political on u...so funny
@@MrAlexRadic it's the usual, I guess
@wargent99 Only Until Muslims Unite.
Your Empire and World Order is Crumbling.
You are Disintegrating from Within while your Enemies are Joining forces and Getting Stronger.
Muslims ruled the World for 1000 Years Before you, Power Shifts Every now and Then,
And Strong Men don't Forget Anything.
@@appleslover yeah :(
Support Greece from China.
+1.000.000 credit points. Your good thought has resurrect Mao from his eternal sleep
Bulgarians thinking hmmmm maybe losing my land in the Aegeon saved me a headache.
They should of got Thrace though or Thrace be its own country.
İf bulgaria still had a coastline to the aegean, then i dont even want to think how tense the situation would be.
Bulgaria would probably end up on the Turkish side not wanting its access to the Mediterranean infringed either
No Bulgarian lost its land in the Aegean because was never Bulgarian under normal circumstances.
@@nickkoss9384 After the first Balkan war it was part of Bulgaria. Only after the betrayal which led to the second Balkan war was it lost. Bulgaria gained it back temporarily after siding with the Germans (after being pressured to). In reality, it was originally Bulgarian land. So actually Bulgaria lost its land in the Aegean because it was punished for being on the axis side.
"The pessimist will complain about the high winds, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails."
Well put Shirvan.
While the reality will be the only in favor will be Turkey. Bullied themselves above international law.
Shirvan spitting legit fire here
Perfect punchline for the video.
Bollocks. They'll all adjust the sails. The difference is in expectations.
Power determines the outcome. Otherwise, a compromise has to be made for a win-win situation for both sides. Love the punchline Shirvan...sums up the whole video.
Before every Caspian report video the world looks so safe.
The problem with this video is that he is refering to international law to showcase "Turkish mistreatment" when Turkey does not respect it either and violates it much much more than Greece does.
is this why Greece armed all the islands that are just a few miles away from Turkey? And according to international law and agreements between Turkey and Greece those island should remain unarmed.
@@yldrmbrs Greece armed the islands after what happened to Cyprus. Also, every second day, a government official from Turkey threatens with war. Why wouldn't they arm them? They don't plan to invade. Turkey's does. The army is there for defence purposes
Correction. Greek airforce does not violate turkey's airspace.
But your suggestion is purely based on the Turkish demands. Greece gains absolutely nothing from that compromise, and Turkey gets everything it asks for. Turkey doesn’t care about Greece’s territorial water in the Ionian sea, but in the Aegean close to its shores.
Well there are fractions in Turkey, which demand the annexation of the islands near the turkish coast. Therefore greeks should be thankful, when Turks are open for such a solution!
His idea gives both greece and Turkey what they want, if Greece's demands are enforced then greece will almost have a monopoly over the Aegean sea. Greece wants national security, so with that compromise both greece and turkey will get their needs.
Ce Sari Well those factions within Turkey should be careful about breaking the borders delimitations of the Lausanne treaty, otherwise the treaty of the Serves will be reimposed.
Savvas Papaiacovou Turkey has been a powderkeg for ages so I doubt they will behave
@@savvaspapaiacovou586 Well everyone knows that the greeks tried to impose by force more than Sevres and we know how their adventure ended for them. Annihilation and extinction of greeks of Asian Turkey. Now Greeks are mostly living in European Turkey!
UN: we should do everything in our power to prevent global conflict.
Also UN: lmao let’s just upheave maritime law!
The UN is obsolete. It only serves as a weak support to globalists in their foul quests
The un is usless
Embrace slannesh instead
@@morielfilm Call the Battle Priests, we found an heretic right here
Wtf perturabo. You are 30k years early!
Blasphemy! I await for the God Emperor to reveal himself.
Historians: *C'mon man... not the balkans again.*
Ooooo yea! As someone has said before the anus of the planet.
As usual, a world war will start from some damn foolish thing in the balkans.
these are not the Balkans
@@arizonii3747 Otto Von Bismarck?
@@kostman_ of course
I want to remind to my brothers as well as our Turkish neighboors that diplomacy is the art of concession
Worry not. Most of the people around me really aren't interested in this sort of thing and I live 30 minutes across the Greek border. This is just government posturing and trying to divert attention from the economy. Turkey cannot afford war at the moment and everybody knows it. IMO the best course of action for us citizens is to just keep calm.
@@emirakar1187 I wish everyone had post-nut clarity like you. Greco-turkish friendship when
knasiotis en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenoturkism
@@emirakar1187 bilmediğiniz şeyler hakkında özellikle uluslararası yerlerde konuşmamak daha doğru olur. Türkiye, altın rezervini arttırarak savaşa hazırlanıyor, son zamanlarda alınan altında Türkiye birinci sırada öte yandan böyle şeyler söylemen bu aptalları cesaretlendiriyor. Gerekirse kuru ekmek yeriz ama bir gram su vermeyiz bunlara
Yes you are right but most of greeks says that turks are mongols, go back to asia, constantinopole is greek or even turks are muslim greeks. Most of greeks even dont recognize turkey as a country, says western is greek and eastern is Armenian. Sorry but in this conflict there will be no peace if greek government still insist in %80 of aegean and e mediterranen is greek. Greeks backed again the europe but even france can not win turkey in the anatolia as we saw in 1920- 1970. But sanctions are risky for turkey
I am sorry mate you are a bit biased here. Turkey was more than happy to apply the 12nm rule on the black sea, where it would reap the most benefits but when Greece does the same, it is somehow unfair and there should be compromise?
Should international law be bend to appease large and aggressive military powers like Turkey? The national security argument is also very weak. Security against whom? Greece? Greece would not attack Turkey in a million years and in the case of russian aggression, Greece would not only be happy but also obligated to support its NATO ally.
We didn't sign that "International law" and if you got the balls, go ahead increase it to 12nm. Apparently everyone here is suddenly an expert on politics. If you increase it you won't get the support from Europe that you want, you are the aggressor here. We told you many year's ago, don't increase the nm and there is no problem now you threaten us with this. Two can play that game.
@@adidoki Of course! The abnormal country makes abnormal threats!
@@adidoki there is nothing aggressive about applying simple international law. Turkey should stop being childish and accept sometimes law isn't fair
Shirvan talks in such a calm voice about the topic. I have a feeling that he was thinking about a holiday on a Caribbean Island while doing the voiceover, instead of a potential war in the Mediterranean.
People in Azerbaijan don't dream about the Caribbean, only North Americans do that. People in Azerbaijan dream of vacationing in places like Maldives and Mauritius.
First France and now Greece. First Libya and now Syria. Turkey is out of control and so is its mini me Azerbaijan.
Kadim Ahmed It is ? all political backing is from Turkey.
Hxgop 20 No, Turkey just supports it to have a allies that’s all. Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict is from 1980s and exposed a war after CW. Armenian army(with Russian support according to unofficial resources) invaded like 24% of Azerbaijan and wanted even more which ended with turkey sending troops to its border and Russia threatening turkey with a full scale war. At the end Turkey helped Azerbaijan for natural gas, an ally against armenia who claims land in turkey, also ethnic similarities...
But yeah they are not a Turkish puppet or sth
A. Can Aksu its armenian land, its saying that "native americans attacked the eurpoeans" makes 0 sense Artsakh(Karabagh) has been 80% + population since 3000 years ago . the city name has been written in roman texts while baku or other Azeri cities for that matter.
Hxgop 20 it’s Azerbaijan, it was even in USSR
I have to say that your analysis overlooks and misrepresents some facts to the point that it may be biased, as the issue nowadays is more about EEZ rather than territorial waters anyway.
Firstly Turkey says that it means war for her WHICHEVER 12 miles expansion of Greece's territorial waters; ie they do not have to be close to her.
You also give examples of Esthonia and Finland that leave a passage for Russia. However, which fact you failed to mention, Turkey already has a passage anyway; you see that her territorial waters are continuous next to her coast, thus any Turkish ship can navigate within these, ie without exiting Turkish territorial waters...
Then you also said that Izmir would be cut off if Greece was to expand... If you look at the map that you illustrated yourself many times (eg see 6:50) you will then realize that is there anyway a passage through international waters for reaching Izmir from Istanbul (while, again, one can still use the Turkish territorial waters to go there from Istanbul).
Turkey at the same time lays claims on Greek islands (even inhabited ones), and it is her that violates Greek airspace almost daily, not the other way around. See here the US ambassador in Greece talking about the matter of airspace violations; ua-cam.com/video/f9Ix9J7ASMo/v-deo.html See also Senator Menendez talking about the matter; ua-cam.com/video/Wc8rt-bEJJQ/v-deo.html
the "proposals" in this video effectively ensure a Turkish naval blockade/"naval" annexation of eastern Greek islands. Turkey could dump migrants on those islands at gun point. Its unacceptable for Greece.
sean o'neiil Exactly! Very Biased Video. But the guy is Azeri, what did you expect.
I agree, this report is bias!
For your 6 miles of territorial waters, if you want 8 miles of airspace, this will happen, the more your territorial waters, the more airspace you will have.
Exactly as you said it. Not the first biased video I'd say from the same channel which makes it even suspicious.
Izmir is 7 times the size of Athens? Didnt know Izmir had a population of 21 million... Maybe u need to check your math there.
not population it's region SIZE
@@ramazankapar5988 İzmir: urban area 944 km2. Athens: urban area 412 km2.
I don't think he was talking about SIZE, because that's only about 2 times bigger.
@@leblubblab ohh i see, you are right. It's about population. Google search result is 664,046 for athens population. But it's 4m in wikipedia. I don't know why.
@@ramazankapar5988 7m people live in Athens
Athens only has 650k inhabitants, Shirvan did not count the Metropolitan area of the 2 cities, only the Cities proper.
Berlin has more people than Paris, but with Metropolitan area, Paris has much more.
I am sorry but you painted this video in a wrong color.First you only spoke about the Greek point of view for maybe 10seconds
2)You made an image as both are equally provoking the other without even talking about the decades long Turkish aggresion.Harassmemt from ships to fishermen and the almost invasion of Imia by the Turks.
3)Cypriots wanted to unite with Greece after half a millenium of occupation.It wasnt a "take over"but an effort for liberation
After Erdogan found about gas in the sea,he tries to provoke an incident,then global interference and finally achieve more gray zones for his benefit
London and Zürich Agreements
:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_Z%C3%BCrich_Agreements
Cypriots wanted to unite with Greece? Yeah.. that's not going to happen for whatever reason that you claim.
Greece violated London and Zürich Agreements by supporting a coup d'état.
Shirvan is generally pretty pro US, but in this case his pro-azeri/pro-turkish bias takes over. The reason germany is supporting turkey is because they have signed a deal with russia for a gas pipeline and invested lots of money in the turkish economy. If turkey can halt the greek plans for the pipeline, Germany can become europes sole gas provider. Much like america has had an oil monopoly.
John Doe very impressive idea!
Sounds good! Just like how Greece was planning to unite with Greeks in Anatolia by invading Turkey after Ottoman Empire collapsed. It was Ataturk who saved Turkey from foreign occupations. The truth is there is no good or bad here, both countries are battling over strategical locations and resources.
@@alafpolo862 you kindly forget that Turkey-Ottoman Empire had sided with the Axis Powers in WW1 and lost the war.
The problem is not freedom of navigation, nor safety since both countries are in NATO. The problem is the adoption by Turkey of the NAZI theory of Vital Space, through which Turkey demands control of half the Aegean sea. Turkey say's that since it's a bigger country it must have more territory. The idea of the Turkish Navy not being able to sail from Smyrna to Constantinople, is wrong because the can do so through their territorial waters, with out venturing in an other country. Freedom of navigation is also ensured by UNCLOS. Now it would also be totally preposterous for Greece to require Turkish permission to travel to it's own islands. The dispute is much deeper than your analysis since Turkey does not recognize Greek sovereignty over many islands, even inhabited ones, on the Aegean and the Mediterranean. In fact current Turkish policy wants to reestablish the territorial control of the Ottoman empire and even lay claims over eastern Crete. Territorial waters, in all areas that are smaller than 44 Km across, are split by the Median Line so it's not an issue for a bilateral agreement, the UNCLOS has provisions about that as well as fisheries wrights for areas that become deficient relative to their previous state. In any case the ethnic cleansing of more than 1.5 million Greeks, Armenians and other Christians from the east Aegean coast in 1922 does not give the right to Turkey for further expansion to the west. Eventually they will come to accept this reality one way or another. Frankly with the escalating demands by the Turks, were what's theirs is theirs and what belongs to someone else should be equally divided or else, the question is not IF war will happen, but WHEN it will happen.
I was not aware of the exceptions to maritime borders countries like Japan have setup - very interesting.
Turkey and Greece are part of the Lausanne Treaty signed in 1923 limiting territorial waters for both sides to 3 miles.
@@ahmetcanersen2381 Urfa
@@divinejusticefeelsgood Indeed however we are not bound to the treaty in the matter of expanding them. Both countries have the right to exercise it.
@@ANGEL9837354 that will open Pandora's box for you
@@ANGEL9837354
A peace treaty set in iron clad to hold the peace being broken isn't exactly what I'd call a rational step.
I honestly fail to understand what Greece hopes to achieve by sparking a war.
Athens-3,753,783
İzmir- 4,367,251
Care to explain how is Izmir 7 times larger than Athens?
He talks about the city, not the all area
Athens city is 664,046. Izmir city is 4.321 million.
Raff RR WTF ! I have been in Athens, it’s huge, at least 5 million people
@Dhuku _10 this is not an arena war. When Hitler invaded Polland he thought he was going for the one on one. Yet he managed to start a world war
Ah, we’re back to antiquity, folks
Geography. Geography never changes.
It wouldve been more accurate if Iran was involved
@@thomaspayan1474 As Águila701
stated, geography does change.
@@Onio_ If both wait a couple million years, they might share a bigger border. Let's see...
I want to see basil vs mehmed
Italy stands with Greece!
Scusa for ww2 😐
Many inaccuracies, plus I completely disagree with the way facts are presented since it only presents political, law and geographical facts while disregarding military ones, but l will stand on the inaccuracies. Izmir 7 times as big as Athens? So, Izmir houses 35 million people. Also, the video "assumes" that Greece's fear is the heartland, Athens. This is false as what it is feared the most is the Turkish Aegean Army, which has many amphibious units and is a direct threat to the integrity of Greek islands close to Turkish shores.
664.046*7=4.648.322 , i did the math its not 7 times but its 4.367.251/664.046=6,576729624152544 times
He literaly said what you just you are just not listening clearly or you are on edge thinking that this video is talking shit about Greece XD or your English sucks
Athens: 2.929 km²
Izmir: 11.891 km²
@@SaintPanzerker 664,046 is only the Athens City Center population, the actual Athens population (Athens Metropolitan area) is 3.8 million.
How is Izmir 7 times larger than athens when athens has 5 mil and izmir 4 ?
Athens is 3mil in Wikipedia
probably as territorial not populice
@@sco6729 lol, and Wikipedia is spammed by trolls, especially radicals from Turkey, India, Pakistan, China, and Russia. I can't tell you how many times articles have been blatantly fudged in favour of zealot nationalism and authoritarian countries to make themselves look better and their enemies weak
it is not. Shirvan is a bit biased here because he's Azerbaijani and he wants to favour turkey in the video
@@PanosM21 Have you seen his presupus videos on this topic?
How does it feel for Turks, their most famous building being actually a Christian building?
We don't care? Turkey has countless buildings from various religions. Also if this is a reference to the Hagia Sophia, then no, the building is "actually" and "factually" an islamic building.
IgluTV Nope, Hagia Sophia was built by Christians, under Justinian, all that Turks did was add the minaretes and say it is a Mosque now. Still a Christian-built building. Turks never managed to build anything more magnificent on their own 😆 sorry.
@@iglutv7758 It was constructed as a Cathedral, converted to a Mosque but that was not its intentioned purpose. So no, it IS a Christian building
It is not like a lot of the wonder of Europe were build by pagan Romans.
What does the different religion have to do with this? This is pure bullshit and I am not even a muslim or a turk
@@iglutv7758 Actually and factually your entire Ottoman architecture is Byzantine. Selam from Bosnian Muslim.
support Greece!! from France!!
Keep in mind, that the Russians would also strongly oppose a "block" of the Agean by the Greeks, because while the Bosporus-Strait is is an international waterway, their access to the mediterainian by the black sea ports would be blocked by two NATO meberstates...
Strainul Misterios no, because of the usa
@Strainul Misterios Um, Russia actually can not and will not. Both countries belong to NATOs party... so...
@Strainul Misterios Russia is a paper tiger
Russia always has and always will support romans
Not just the Russians all the countires in the blacksea would strongly oppose and those are Russia, Ukraina, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, Moldovia.
China: The Aegean Sea has been mine ... since ancient times.
@Μιχαλις Σηφακης - stop basically handing over things like the port of Piraeus to China!
@@wallachianknight557 i am Turk but Greek Taiwan sounds real
@@somebody1241 not even close, Greece is Greece, Taiwan is Taiwan
Greece took part to ww2 , with heavy coast, but came out to side if winners, in the end. So the international law of the sea, didn’t just ‘happened’ to be in Greece’s favor! We fought for that . It is what it, is since 73 years. Inocente passages will never be stop!! Exactly as happens in bosporus strains. The exact same law. As everyone passes from bosporous will pass from greek agean sea, as long as they don’t threat Greece
And it's ironic that Turkey claims that's it's unfair to them, since they control the Straits. This video is so biased.
Caspian Report 's opinion on the matter is biased. He claims that the Aegean will become a Greek Sea if Greece expands her territorial waters to 12NM. Although he acknowledges the UNCLOS provisions of safe passages. So one can question how is that a threat to Turkey ? Safe Passages is a standard that applies on the seas and oceans around the globe. Ships and Navy can cross the sea freely. The only obligation is to obey the law for safe crossing of the sea. Is that a problem for the submarines of two nato alies?? Or the war ships? Certainly not for merchant ships around the globe.
It makes no sense claiming that Greece in order not to provoke her neighbor hasn't executed her lawfull right to expand the territorial waters to 12NM but will take advantage of Safe Passages? Take advantage and also pose a threat to Turkish security on what? Free Passage?
Needles to say that even if Greece expands her territorial waters to the 12NM line there are still corridors in between of international waters. So even in the scenario that a turkish submarine doesn;t want to cross through the Greek Waters , it can very easily navigate through the remaining international waters.
In all honesty I totally agree with finding a middle solution, but just a reminder, Greece all these years follows a "good neighbor" policy, we dont expand our eez, and even though turkish fighters violate the airspace above our islands we dont violate theirs. On the other hand turks drill for gas in cypriot waters and some of their politicians say that greeks should give to us have half the aegean islands (not just their eez) and they threat us with war. All that the greek government says is that it may come to negotiations after the hostilities and violations stop. Its easy to blame both sides but in reality greece is the one that does its best to be fair(we havent expanded our eez in the aegean all these years even though we have the right) and turkey is the one that has expansionist ideas.
I guess you already expanded your territories three times since the separation from Ottoman Empire, didn't you? Also you have no right to expand your eez according to the Treaty of Lausanne, which says territorial waters of islands are 3 miles for both countries. The last thing is that most islands were supposed to be demilitarized according to the same treaty, but you have soldiers in almost all of them. How do you explain this?
@@burakdumer1612 you mention expansions made a century ago and in lands where greeks lived, sould we reallly srart this discussion? Well how could we leave out islands unprotected when you repeatedly have expansionist policies? You theaten us now that we have army on them, imagine if we didn't, I am pretty sure that if you were a good neighbor without imperialistic ideas we would have them demilitarised but having them demilitarised now is as good as giving them up to you. And about the expansion of eez, you literally attacked Cyprus. Are we supposed to wait for you to conquer as all? If we can take some steps to avoid being conquered by you we should and we will take them. AND if you want to take this a bit further back, according to the serves treaty we should own Smyrna (izmir) and marmara strains... what happened to that treaty? You only accept what fits your imperialistic policies.
@@kostis410 It's been almost 70 years that you militarized islands, way before that there was any conflict. In fact we left the islands to you under the conditions that they would be demilitarized and with no more than 3 miles of territorial waters, without any eez. And according to the Lausanne, Greece would lose sovereignty over the islands in case of any militarization attempt. You agreed on this and you signed the agreement. So from the legal standpoint you already lost your sovereignty on the islands as you breached the treaty. But on top of this, you also want to expand your territorial waters to 12 miles now and have an eez. Why should we let you? We have clearly made an agreement and you have no such right to declare any eez neither in the Aegean nor in the Eastern Mediterranean.
@@kostis410 I guess a few weeks ago your government also sent some troops to the islands on both sides of Kastellorizo. These two islands were not even given to you. They were uninhabited Ottoman islands and never mentioned in the Treaty of Lausanne nor anywhere else, which naturally make them ours as we are the successors of the Ottoman Empire and they are in our continental shelf. But you illegally sent troops and claim that these islands are yours, too. And you blame us that we're expansionists. Just be fair please.
@@burakdumer1612 You also clearly signed the serves treaty which gives us smyrna and the strains.. but when you violate a treaty its not a bad thing right? What happened 70 and 100 years ago shouldn't be what this discussion is about. The problem of the PRESENT is that you violate both greek and Cypriot eez, that you claim that islands with greek inhabitants are turkish, that you wage war in syria and lybia, that you miss your ottoman empire in the 21st century. That's why none of your neighbors like you. As I told you the problem is your behavior, if your people didn't have a sultan and voted for pro-western politicians all these whould belong to the past and we could even be brother nations
What this fails to take into account is the centuries of grudges.
RadTheLad and also conquering over half the land Greece held
apollo 93 very true
Exactly.
UA-camrs really dont study history. Nothing in Greek Turkish affairs can be viewed in less than at least some centuries span. Western Turkey has been Eastern Greek for all recorded history for thousands of years and up to 1922. This is a part of the issue. The islands are close to Greek coast not Turkish coast. This was the mistake and why the situation looks peculiar. Modern Greece is the half part and the other half has been cut off. Even when Turks ovcupied the area politixally with exception of the big city if Smyrna which was renamed 100 years ago, they kept the local Greek populatiob and was outside of Smyrna 90-95% Greek. It was still Greece practically and they had Turkish administrators and paid taxes. Turks have to respect what they anatolian coast is and hiw rhey talk about it and use it when they talk to Greeks. Many peoples grandparents are feom the cast. There were not even mixed there in the coast it was all Greeks except very big cities. It is funny to even talk about the coast to Greece.
(Όχι απάντηση φυσικά στο παραπάνω σχόλιο που επικροτώ, απλώς επιπρόσθετα γράφω το παρακάτω για να το δουν οι αγγλόφωνοι, γιατί ο εξαίρετος σχολιαστής @Paper Toys σε μια σειρά από 5-6 σχόλια του, καταρρίπτει κόσμια μια προς μια όλες τις τούρκικες αξιώσεις και τα τάχα "επιχειρήματα"...Διάβασε τα και εσύ φίλε μου. Άμα τα συμμαζέψει κανείς γίνεται ένα πολύ καλό διαφωτιστικό βίντεο που δυστυχώς καμμία επίσημη ελληνική κρατική υπηρεσία δεν κάνει συστηματικά και συνεχώς, ώστε να διαφωτίζει το αγγλόφωνο κοινό του UA-cam με τις ελληνικές θέσεις)
For a serious understanding of ARBITRARY DEMANDS (against any provision of the International Law of Seas as well as the established Treaties and the UN resolutions) of Turkey against Greece's sovereignty (and Cyprus), please find and read carefully ALL the exact comments/answers from the very start of the commentator @Paper Toys in relation to some Turk @Hakan Tekin. My friends all over the World, you will have to devote some time, but you can understand also, all the hidden turkish propaganda in the above video. The said decent "debate" of comments between @Paper Toys v. @Hakan Tekin reveals clearly the difference between the Hellenic Aristotelean Logic v. the sly anatolian way of thinking!...
Old Ottoman and Byzantine rivalry is playing up again?
No, just regular good ol' Greek and Turkish rivalry. No comparisons needed for this one, because its so ubiquitous by itself lol
Russia considers itself the successor of the Byzantine Empire and Moscow is considered the third Rome. I wonder which side Russia will take in the event of a conflict. After all, both Greeks and Russians, Orthodox Christians
@@Felix-hu3ji They will side with Greece. It will let them face off against turkey for the black sea, without NATO getting involved since Greece is also part of Nato
@@Felix-hu3ji They don't give a fuck about that. The obvious choice is Turkey considering their economy and strategic location.
@@Felix-hu3ji right. Considered only so by themselves though 😁
I support Greece with this!
I don’t understand why Turkey does not accept the status quo. This is how it is and Turkey should accept that Aegean is a Greek lake. Who on hell is Turkey? Is it above God and law? Or they think that the blessing of God is only their privilege? So yes the sea is Greek and they need to cross Greek waters. I don’t get the expression Izmir is 7 times bigger than Athens. What the heck... it is their problem... why they do not make it smaller? By the way they can drive to Istanbul or even better they can fly from Izmir.... or do you prefer Greece to ask permission from Turkey to access Greek islands? So if they want to use the sea they have to say hello in Greek. That is countries synergies and if Turkey does not want to accept it , it is her own problem.
My country, Chile, will take the coasts and islands of Greece and Turkey. Thank you very much.
*oh no*
Oh no oh no oh no no no
I hereby grant you full access to the greek EEZ
"voluntarily" as in "Comply or be crushed."
Yeah, "crushed" , what are you smoking lol... Both Greece and Turkey can't effective hold the islands in case of all out war and neither of them can mount an effective land invasion ...
I don't see what "crushing" is in your dreams , but in reality there simply will be a big amount of dead bodies on both sides , wasted money and no chance of prosperity for the surrounding regions and the islands...
But yeah , keep on dreaming .
@@arditm2178 i think he was reffering to the finland-estonia canal granted for russian use
@@arditm2178 Greek economy can't hold its self against turkey
Greece needs turkey actually, Europeans trashed it long time ago. Time to find new friends 😬🙅♂️
@@mewmannamwem6087 neither can the puny turkish lira sustain a war against Greece.
The Cuban missile crisis is not a good comparison to this.
Breaking international law for national sea interests... It was a comparison on how the rules have always been broken
@Gary Lee I don't think anyone said that it was a direct comparison, only an example of how the Laws of the Sea have been broken in the past when national security is at stake.
@Mycenaean Pretty much. It's always a good idea to remember who is the speaker, the fact of the matter is that Greece has every right and authority to do so according to international law. Turkey can adapt to international law but they just don't want to due to being unable to maintain their aggressive stance/posturing.
TalesOfGod # Both sides claim to act in accordance of international law. Who is right? Greeks and its media claim they are in the right and Turkey and its media claim they are in the right. EU supports Greece, because .. well yeah it’s an EU member. So EU is biased.
The whole discussion is basically endless. The UN must open a unbiased commission, open both international law as well as previous rulings of judges about equivalent cases. That might be the only way without a war if both sides are honest, but both sides wouldn’t agree if it ends to their disadvantages. No need to point a finger, because both fight for their interests.
@Mycenaean I can't take your comment serious as you're biased, naturally defending Greece. I wouldn't take a Turk serious either. Just saying.
But Turkey wants the resources in Mediterranean sea and Greece and the EU doesn't want Turkey to have them. A bilateral deal wouldn't even came close to a solution.
Yeah last time i checked no one is owning the mediterranen. This is about the aegan.
Greece is a fanatic country! Yes Erdoğan too. But Greece is most worst fanatic country in EU!
The point is never a permanent solution, that's not Shirvan's style. It would give both countries breathing room however, a much-needed break so militarists don't have an excuse to encourage further brinksmanship.
You can't demand something that isn't yours, when will Turks stop whining and accept the reality, the whole world is tired let alone Greece...
CHINA: It is an established fact recognized by the whole international community that the entire Aegean Sea is undisputably Chinese since ancient times.
ahahaahhahahaha
When Shirvan reports about the same situation in a short period of time, you know it’s serious.
..ever consider the possibility that shirvan is taking it personally? remeber he IS Azeri (2 nations-1state mentality / azerbaijan-turkey) - this report is totally biased and comes too soon after the other one on the east=med...
I didn't know that things was this complicated in this region, but after looking at the map you showed of both Turkey and Greece I can understand the situation and how there can be problems and they are at each other's throats.
He simply presented the Turkish perspective and although he made an attempt to seem neutral - he is not.
militarization is forbidden in islands due to 1923 lozan and 1947 paris . Greece is acting unnatural. Greece claims all of turkeys sea areas.
I support Greece 100% 🇬🇷
Who are you lol
BilalOglanN definitely someone richer and more important that you.
Ok , even though I understand your point I have one problem with how you represent the situation. Greece never tried to be aggressive against tureky , nor is it a threat to it. They are the ones that violate our airspace and instead of seeking diplomatic solutions use gunboat diplomacy with their navy . Furthermore they use reffuges as a weapon to put pressure on Athens and do not recognize the law of the sea at all ( the turko-lybian agreement about EEZ acts like we do not have any islands even though islands have a right to have an EEZ). The problem is turkey tries to act as a superpower and grab all of the Aegean , cut us of our islands and take advantage of it's resources . Also they want to take Kastelorizo since it limits their EEZ significantly. Instead of trying to cooporate within the rules of the UN and seek a solution where we would be able to use our right to have an EEZ and territorial waters at their full extend with them having access to their citys , they are trying to take the hole sea for themselves leaving nothing to Greece , which forces greek lawmakers to take a harsher approach and use the UN rules against them to secure our islands and our claims on the Aegean .( Not to maintion the constant threts by turkey to invade greek islands by their politician and their undermining of greece)
Couldn't agree more
Long live the Hellenic Republic 🇬🇷
So Turkey has institutionalized the threat of war to its NATO ally, Greece in case the later exercises its legal rights to expand its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles. Turkey has not signed and ratified the Law of the Sea, yet Turkey has used provisions of this law to expand its own maritime borders to 12nm in its extended Black Sea coast- "a la turca" international law exercised by Turkey LOL
Turkey using this law only for the mainland shores its not for the islands.
Islands are not mainland so you cant expand your waters. There are cases like this and countries dont agree for islands.
Ignoring Northern Cyprus...
@@somatia350 Cyprus is a whole different country itself. It doesn't belong to Turkey, you cant think like it is same as japan or uk. It is only for the little islands.
@@nuiaslou18 Really? So for example Imbros and Tenedos (gocseada and bozcaada) have no territory? What about Malta? Malta is 4 times smaller than Rodos. Does Malta have a territory? What about Mallorca or Corsica? Let's be honest my friend. You want something which does not belong to you.
Greece and Turkey fighting naval skirmishes? This is unprecedented. Totally unprecedented.
From what I found on the Internet, Athens( 3,15 million) actually has bigger population than Izmir (2,9 million).
Athens: 2.929 km²
Izmir: 11.891 km²
and its not the only lie in this video...
Dude Im living in İzmir that number was 10 years ago according to Wikipedia İzmir has almost 4.5m population but if you add refugees more than 5m
@@ozanmozan3710 then its 4:5
@@zackamor8043 A simple look on the map shows that Athens is substantially bigger and statistical figures of urban population, urban area as well as urban population density show this too. Athens municipality is just the center and should not be compared to the entire Izmir metropolitan area (which is what happened in this video).
If you go by international LAW Greece is right !
But turkey never ratified the UNCLOS so by (their own) standards they are right.
Despite common nonsense in the western media Turkey really can't allow Greece declaring 12 miles territorial waters in Aegean as it would literally mean landlocking a huge part of Turkey like İzmir area (Where same amount of people live as entire Greece) due it is so easy abusing innocent passage that Greece can keep ''inspecting'' every single Turkish ship regardless they are civilian or military!! That would not only create a huge security problem also would deal billions of dolars damage to Turkish economy so Turkey has no choice at all expect using force and it isn't something new neither as Turkey has considered 12 miles territorial waters as a declaration of war since 1983. So the only solution is an agreement between Turkey and Greece which will benefit both countries like that partial increase he mentioned would be perfect but sadly once again despite the common nonsense in western media Greece kept refusing any negotiations and provocating Turkey!! Such as they increased their air space to 12 miles in Aegean which Turkey didn't accept and it is why so many ''air space violations'' happening in there pretty much everyday!! But imagine there is a Turkish ship in 10 miles distance from a Greek island which means they are in international waters but when it's helicopter takes off it ''violates'' Greek air space which is just ridiculous in every way. And lets say an accident happen in there who will save those Turkish sailors?? Hellenic air force??? So increasing air space had absolutely zero practicality that Greece only did that to provoke Turkey and increase territorial waters as well if Turkish respond was weak...
Did you watch the video? In it he explains that in some cases, international law can create more problems than it solves. This is one such case.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 why do you think greece would give up what is according to international law is rightfully theirs lol, turkey claims an EEZ that completely encloses many greek islands in the Aegean, which is even more egregious than greece's claim. Stop blaming "western media" and realize your president is making your country look like a fool.
@@juch3 Officially claimed Turkish EEZ doesn't enclose any Greek islands expect Kastelorizo alone which is 2 km away from Turkey while it is 550 km away from Athens and there are only 300 people living!! Which is why Turkey claims it can only have 12 miles EEZ not 200 miles like Greece claims, in fact ICJ ruled not once rather twice for similar islands that they can only have 12 miles EEZ!! Here reduce your ignorance a little bit and learn some international laws:
''the court found that Snake Island did not form part of Ukraine’s coastal configuration, explaining that “to count [Snake] Island as a relevant part of the coast would amount to grafting an extraneous element onto Ukraine’s coastline; the consequence would be a judicial refashioning of Geography”. The court concluded that Snake Island “should have NO EFFECT on the DELIMITATION in this case, other than that stemming from the role of the 12-NAUTICAL-MILE ARC of its territorial sea”
www.languagesoftheworld.info/russia-ukraine-and-the-caucasus/ukraine-romania-border-conflict-islands.html
''The zone has an unusual keyhole like shape, with a 20-km wide and 348-km-long narrow corridor that ran south of the islands. The corridor was supposed to give France access to its EEZ from international waters without having to pass through the Canadian EEZ.''
www.amusingplanet.com/2017/05/st-pierre-and-miquelon-last-french.html
As you can see ICJ ruled both Saint-Pierre-and-Miquelon and Snake islands can have only 20 km/ 12 miles EEZ exactly same as Turkey defends not 200 miles like Greece moronically claims at all so Turkey's true intention isn't claiming EEZ of Crete or Rhodes rather stop Greece unlawfully claiming 104,000 km2 and reduce Turkey's EEZ to only 41,000 km2...
Coexistence, brotherhood humbleness and mutual understanding is what the head of these conflicting state is needed.
I assure you that Sultan Erdogan is all of the above. He is after all a member of the religion of peace.
Nice video, but too neutral to the point it is not fair, meaning (for example) that the air forces of both countries aren't taunting each other. Turkey is the one violating Greece's airspace not the other way around
it shows you didnt watch video well
If two airforce are playing chicken with eachother that's taunting. It does not matter who is in the right in regards to airspace. Taunting is the correct word
No it's just only reports very one sided in European media. On reality there is alot of Greek jets entering Turkish airspace as well and not always it is on purpose it is a very thin line between these two
You cant have 6 miles t.waters and 10 miles airspace , there is no such example in the world. !
@@talatguneyli2124 you're actually right on this one.. should be 12nm on both water and air!
Compromise means that both sides have to give something. In your ‘’independent’’ video I cannot find what Turkey will give. Law of the seas is the written solution for all the disputes between civilized countries, all the rest are extremist and militaristic opinions of a Neo-Ottoman arrogant leader.
Despite common nonsense in the western media Turkey really can't allow Greece declaring 12 miles territorial waters in Aegean as it would literally mean landlocking a huge part of Turkey like İzmir area (Where same amount of people live as entire Greece) due it is so easy abusing innocent passage that Greece can keep ''inspecting'' every single Turkish ship regardless they are civilian or military!! That would not only create a huge security problem also would deal billions of dolars damage to Turkish economy so Turkey has no choice at all expect using force and it isn't something new neither as Turkey has considered 12 miles territorial waters as a declaration of war since 1983. So the only solution is an agreement between Turkey and Greece which will benefit both countries like that partial increase he mentioned would be perfect but sadly once again despite the common nonsense in western media Greece kept refusing any negotiations and provocating Turkey!! Such as they increased their air space to 12 miles in Aegean which Turkey didn't accept and it is why so many ''air space violations'' happening in there pretty much everyday!! But imagine there is a Turkish ship in 10 miles distance from a Greek island which means they are in international waters but when it's helicopter takes off it ''violates'' Greek air space which is just ridiculous in every way. And lets say an accident happen in there who will save those Turkish sailors?? Hellenic air force??? So increasing air space had absolutely zero practicality that Greece only did that to provoke Turkey and increase territorial waters as well if Turkish respond was weak...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 In modern times all the peaceful countries follow the law of the sea not the "law" of the strongest. Kazakhstan is the 9th biggest country of the world but is landlocked, imagine if one day they want territorial control over a costal area. Europe had enough of Turkish Neo-ottoman plans. Turkey provokes all its neighbors Armenia, Greece, Syria, Kurdistan, Cyprus, Egypt. It is time that the civilized world teaches them that they have to show respect to international law otherwise they should have major sanctions.
@@xtryfonos Always same nonsense about Greece being a very ''civilized'' country and always ''respecting'' international laws etc etc while i guess Greece was supporting EOKA-B terrorists on Cyprus in order to annex Cyprus according to international laws, right?? LMAO!! You people were saying exactly same things about Cyprus as well that ''Turkey can't do anything as they would face major sanctions rather they are only bluffing'' but at the end Turkey invaded half of the island against illegal and wicked Greek actions while nobody did absolutely anything against Turkey!! And exactly same thing will happen again...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Civilized countries do not threat other counties with war, they respect international law. Europe has the power and the means to secure this. Be sure.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 you realise that that Turkish ships could still travel along the Turkish coasts..
The law is law. You cant just claim a foreign territory just because you want it.
Russia will also not be pleased with their Navy being cut of to the Mediterranean.
@iwonnatube no it doesn't military vessels don't count
@iwonnatube Erik Grobler is right, Greece can easily be coerced to close off the Aegean by the US or the EU. Greece increasing its territorial waters would turn the Aegean into the biggest bargaining chip in any West vs. Russia deal, same with any West vs. Turkey deal.
@iwonnatube Honestly, the international law only works if everyone agrees to comply with it. If someone doesn't, international law doesn't mean shit. It is an agreed upon agreement and if someone didn't sign it (like Turkey) or later chooses to withdraw or disregard it, it doesn't have legs to stand on. The key here is it needs to be "agreed upon" by "all parties". This is common sense, but I know common sense can be lost on the irrational and the dimwitted, so I am not holding my breath that you will understand it.
@iwonnatube See, told you, you didn't get it. You thought I am against the entirety of the international law when I am only against applying a provision of the international law to parties that didn't sign that particular provision. Btw, looking at Greece's expansionist rhetoric, it makes me think that Greece wants to go back to barbarism and violence.
@iwonnatube "it doesn't matter what Turkey signed or didn't sign. If it comes to the ICJ the court will take the UNCLOS as a base for its judgement, not some maps Cavusoglu's daughter drew, as he showed in front of the EU parliamentary debate the other day, not some erratic ideas that Erdogan holds about a continental shelf that extends to Greenland, not the size of Turkey vs the size of Greece, but only the internationally accepted law."
I see the irrational more clearly now.
8:00 you cant say B without saying the A, too.
Cuban crisis and Soviet attempt to weaponise Cuba was response to previous US actions( installation of US rockets in Turkey and threatening Soviet heartland) and its solution was that both US removes their rockets and Soviets wont install theirs- painting one sided picture is not good for ones channel trustworthiness.
As you said, both sides removed their nukes so, Turkey do not increase their territorial waters, and Greece do not need to increase their territorial waters as well. If they do this, this means Greece do not behave friendly, they behave aggressor. Then, Turkey need to respond this aggression. However, Greece says Turkey behaves aggressively, even though Greece do it.
I agree but that side of the story is irrelevant in this context imo.
@@ahmetylmaz1119 well Turkey does behave aggressively, understandingly but still aggressively.
Greece has her reasons, legal and understandable reasons, Greece may feel that have her territory connected is good enough reason for her, most states would think the same( just as Turkey feels she must pretend for sake of her stability there are and always been only Turks in Turkey and Kurds are Turks and Armenians just left and disappeared after WW1) and so has Turkey her reasons to oppose it, theres no absolute wrong or right in this situation and none of them is and never been friendly to each other.
As I see it the problem is that first Turkish actions during last decade made most of her NATO allies vary and suspicious and now she responds to Greek actions( which arent illegal under agreed laws) aggressively and denying legality of those actions. Instead of calling for compromise and proposing some solution using those internationally accepted rules and examples( as we saw in the vid there are many) to pressure Greeks Turkey uses its military which never looks good and will be always formally condemned by Western politicians
.So is really no wonder Greece, EU member, has more backing from Western powers and Turkey, questioning her NATO membership, gets pictured as the more aggressive one here.
@@OKANGUVEN99 Not really, it was relevant cos those Cold War stories are usully told from very onesided POV and I fail to see how is Cuban Crisis( two powers using third countries to upset or regain balance of power) in any way similar to the current Greek/ Turkish problem.
So there was no need to include it at all but when it was included it would be honest to tell is as it actually happened.
@@ahmetylmaz1119 In what planet are you living? Who has mentioned territorial waters in the last months while the two fleets faced one another? No one. This is all about Turkey declaring that islands have ZERO EEZ (not about territorial waters and 12 miles therefore) and then paraded its fleet to prove the point. The rest of the planet told Turkey to wake up and smell the coffee and thankfully it seems they did. I don't recall anyone threatening a war because they refuse to go to the Hague for a dispute on EEZ, only Turkey does that.
"Dura lex sed lex" (Tough law, but law nonetheless). When a law doesn't suit us, we do not ignore it (and threaten the other side with war). Turkey has no security concerns; Greece is a modern, civilized, advanced European Country, abiding to all international laws. The only party threatening the other with war is Turkey. Since this post, Turkey has escalated its provocations, meeting the reaction of both the United States and the European Union, and as you correctly pointed out, these are the external borders of the European Union...
sooooo basically all i got from this was more reasons why the UN is a complete waste of time space and money
How did you get there??? On the contrary, UN law will remain, however thin, the basis of a negotiation, if it ever happens. Just that is a gain.
@@jean-francoisdupre3880 how the hell is that a gain if the thin layer of negotiation or whatever the hell it is they introduce is completely ignored as it is time and time again they don’t do anything they can’t do anything
@@rjeverett6223 Well that's the point: international law, and nothing else than the UN defines it, remains a basis for negotiation. A reference that, like it or not, every one uses.
The UN commits more human rights abuse and breaks of international law than it has ever managed to prevent others from doing.
@@jean-francoisdupre3880 they don’t use it😂 countries ignore the UN damn near every day just as the video highlighted = waste of time space and money
I mean when you see the level of Greek territory in the agean sea it kinda makes sense that its a Greek lake. I know they have distances of established Domaine for every sea bordering country, but the agean seems entirely Greek
May be true yet this is unacceptable by Turkey as the video stated this would completely cripple the Turkish navy.
Well, Turkey cares. If the eagean sea is completely blocked by the greeks a strait is pretty much useless. That strait is useful because it allows access to mediterranian from black sea. Yet In a case of greek blockade this is no longer the case. It's a matter of survival at this point. What is right or wrong wouldn't matter to Turkey.
Reads the topic
*grabs popcorn*
lol
"The pessimist complains about high winds, the optimist expect it to change, but the realist adjusts the sails."
Loved this quote!
you forgot to mentioned that turkey claims also islands not just waters
No, Turkey actually doesn't claim ownership of any islands. In the treaty of Lausanne it is specified that any island and rock further away than 3 miles off the coast of Turkey belongs to Greece. Dodecanese doesn't abide to that rule as it was ceded to Italy by Ottoman government in 1911 with the treaty of Uchy. As such Turkey doesn't claim any sovereign land of Greece for, land borders are already agreed upon. The story about sea borders is entirely different though as there is no delimitation agreement with Greece.
@@mertilhan1781 Turkey needs to sign the law of the sea and then negotiate with Greece
@@alexmantzanas946 If we do that our rights will dissappear thats why we dont do that.
@@clishe7395 there is no other way otherwise Turkey will lose more
@@clishe7395 Turkey has no rights. The law is already there
I don't know if you have turkish interests but your video seemed loaded towards their side -a change from your usual informative and objecrive videos.
So when are we going to hear about the Greek perspective?
Maybe in the next video.
@@TalesOfGod *What do you expect? Caspian Report is a Middle-Eastern guy, he supports - Turkey*
He's objective moreover I am not middle-eastern and I support Turkey what about that ?
@@robertgittings8662 He is not just from a n y w h e r e in the middle east friend, he is from azerbaijan sort of like turkeys sister, their best ally.. they speak the same languge more or less, they are o n e nation.. get the drift
@@djam5478 first of all this video proposes a solution that can accomodate also Greek interests, moreover Azerbaijan is not Turkey I am ITALIAN and I don't necessarily side with countries who speak neolatin languages
Ah! I have been a diligent viewer of Caspian report ever since it had 15k subscribers, always admiring the neutral perspective of the channel on subjects that are really hard to be objective. As a greek, i am somewhat dissapointed on Shirvan's take on the matter even though i understand that is hard for an azeri to reach to an objective observation on this issue. With that being said, the collapse of the multinational, multiethnic Ottoman Empire has caused such a confusion and instability to my part of the world that even to this day is hard to really understand the shitstorm that is the Balkans, Anatolia, the Levant etc. Still, thank you Shirvan for giving your perspective on the matter, i will not stop respecting this channel's integrity. Keep up the good work.
The way I see it, this is the most clear description of Turkey's position on the Aegean dispute.
Those islands are Greek because Greeks live in them, and have done so for thousands of years.
I understand that the international law is inconvenient to Turkey, but sea boundaries are just like as land boundaries. And countries should not simply ignore the laws that do not benefit them.
All Turkey needs to do is respect international law, and get along, than all the issues you listed could be fixed, they are both in NATO, and Turkish ships would not be restricted to travel from Black sea to the Mediterranean , much of these challenges exist because Turkey choses to bully their way into getting what they want.
Good video overall!
So Turkey can close sea of Marmara and no one can pass.
So why don't you follow the lausanne and paris agreements, which are international agreements? Why should only Turkey respect and comply? Don't be a hypocrite. You're the one who doesn't want to deal diplomatically because you know you're wrong and you're going to lose. It's not just me, it's your deputies, your researchers agree.
If Turkey recognised that their neighbour Greece has for many years not extended their territorial waters to 12 miles it would have been nice. However, Turkey after drilling and searching for oil in Cypriot and Greek waters, signing an agreement with Libya to exploit Greek waters although they do not even have borders, claiming that half of the Aegean sea is Turkish, claiming that 150 Greek islands hosting Greek populations for thousands of years are Turkish, claiming that islands should not have any EEZ, not recognising international court etc can not expect any favours. Unfortunately, this is what you get from your neighbour when you treat him like that.
Greece stated that he does NOT recognize international court in 2015. Its written in the internet site of Hellenic republic ministry of foreign affairs.I think Greece should accept ICJ as binding to solve the issues via dialogue instead of sending battleships
@@bansheee1 you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Greece clearly accepts the international court and constantly asks Turkey to take the case to it to resolve the issues. However, Turkey does not recognise the international court, the international law, the law of the sea, it does not give a shit about international law. By the way Turkey sends battleships to the Greek islands.......the Greek battleships are meant to be close to the Greek islands. Or maybe the Greek NAVY should go to the Atlantic Ocean and leave the islands as a present to Turkey? Come to your senses.
@@rodantho1 Noo duude i looked quite detailly.
www.itlos.org/en/jurisdiction/declarations-of-states-parties/declarations-made-by-states-parties-under-article-298/
(Signed) Evangelos Venizelos
www.mfa.gr/en/issues-of-greek-turkish-relations/
and a quotation from Hellenic republic ministiry of foreigns affairs:
"By declaration made in 2015, Greece has excluded from the jurisdiction of the Tribunal of the Convention the delimitation of maritime zones, according to article 298 of the Convention"
So greece only accept ICJ on EEZ on eastern mediterranian. But the aegean problems 12 miles dispute and arming of the islands he clearly states that he does NOT recognize ICJ
Basicly turkey says "ok ICJ is reasonable but in all issues not just EEZ".Ministery of foreign affairs of turkey has given speeches like this(more or less)
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@@bansheee1 and what is the problem with that? Turkey does not even accept the existence of International court and the international law by 100%. It has not even signed it. Turkey does not accept the ICJ on any issue...it pretends that it does not exist. Greece as every country in the world has the right to arm its islands since Turkey has created on purpose the largest fleet of landing ships in the world which is designed to invade Greek islands and based on the invasion in Cyprus this clearly legitimate right. Turkey says that half of the Aegean sea and 150 islands, many of them inhabited by Greeks for thousands of years belong to her. You need to study things a little bit better.
@@rodantho1 you are right and i am not defending turkey's actions. Turkey and Greece should accect ICJ without exclusions and settle this issue there without destabilazing the region.Islands are greek's nobody says otherwise.Dispute is not about the ownership of islands but about arming them and territorial waters.
so greece say
"i dont care about ICJ on these issues".
turkey replies : "I dont care either but if you increase your territorial waters i will use force"
seems like a good pair
over simplified presentation
Indeed
As you have pointed out,there have been many proposals to ease the turkish fears about being blocked out of the Aegean and all the rest of their supposed "fears".
But they deny all those proposals,Turkey that is. Turkey doesnt just fear all the above cause the waters that are now international will become greek,Turkey claims that the waters that according to Law of the Sea should become greek,are turkish instead. They claim half of the Aegean by the unique turkish idea that islands dont have rights to 12nm territorial waters nor EEZ rights,only mainland does. So they see the Aegean as an empty sea with 2 coasts and they draw a line in the middle of those coasts and thats what they claim,along with some various greek islands that according to them their ownership is questionable according to Lausanne or Paris treaties,or even worse they want a renegotiation of those treaties entirely,something that Erdogan in his latest visit to Greece openly stated in front of all the greek people.
Turkey as we speak is on an imperialist power trip. You have totally missed the point in this video of yours. You only got to check the MoU they signed with the faction of Tripoli in Libya about their sea borders or Mavi Vatan map,Mavi Vatan meaning blue Homeland,where half the Aegean is turkish sea and surrounds greek islands and also you can see turkish sea going as far as south of Crete. Not even Crete according to them doesnt have 12nm territorial waters or EEZ. Which is quite far away from the turkish coasts. Which proves that their rhetoric about being blocked off etc are no sense and hippocritical.
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@Huthless Hobbie Lawler that's what neo Nazis would like to think. However neither are there uprisings, nor are European countries (besides Russia and Belarus) ""tyrannical"".
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@Huthless Hobbie Lawler that's not what's happening. There's no such thing as a ""wh°te genoc•de"" in Europe.
@Huthless Hobbie Lawler spot the fascist
If the shoe was on the other foot Turkey would not give an inch to the Greeks.The Turks just like China is have disputes with all their neighbours. This video fails to mention a lot of key points that sadly it hasn’t reported.
Tell me!
Arda You need to understand that the Greeks are following international marine laws.They are not in anyway doing anything illegal like Turks did with the genocide 100 years ago,which to this day they are denied it.How can you possibly believe what comes out of the current Turkish dictatorship government,which is dragging turkey back to the dark ages .Im not been rude ,it’s just the truth.
Despite common nonsense in the western media Turkey really can't allow Greece declaring 12 miles territorial waters in Aegean as it would literally mean landlocking a huge part of Turkey like İzmir area (Where same amount of people live as entire Greece) due it is so easy abusing innocent passage that Greece can keep ''inspecting'' every single Turkish ship regardless they are civilian or military!! That would not only create a huge security problem also would deal billions of dolars damage to Turkish economy so Turkey has no choice at all expect using force and it isn't something new neither as Turkey has considered 12 miles territorial waters as a declaration of war since 1983. So the only solution is an agreement between Turkey and Greece which will benefit both countries like that partial increase he mentioned would be perfect but sadly once again despite the common nonsense in western media Greece kept refusing any negotiations and provocating Turkey!! Such as they increased their air space to 12 miles in Aegean which Turkey didn't accept and it is why so many ''air space violations'' happening in there pretty much everyday!! But imagine there is a Turkish ship in 10 miles distance from a Greek island which means they are in international waters but when it's helicopter takes off it ''violates'' Greek air space which is just ridiculous in every way. And lets say an accident happen in there who will save those Turkish sailors?? Hellenic air force??? So increasing air space had absolutely zero practicality that Greece only did that to provoke Turkey and increase territorial waters as well if Turkish respond was weak...
perhaps this is a long term plan to undermine the Erdogan regime and force the hand of the USA to interveen or els discredit the NATO alliance to not be in EU and greek interest?
Ggoddkkiller I respect your opinions but to say common nonsense from the western media is a low blow,when it’s well documented that millions of people were killed buy the Turks. Mistakes were made from a lot of countries,not just Turkey,the key is to recognise mistakes ,apologise,so they don’t happen again.As people on this planet we all need to become better as a society and live in peace.
nice video. Athens is actually as big as Izmir. This 7 times is due to the municipality laws in Greece. In practice, the municipality of Athens is just the center of the city but not the port for example.
Nice you are an Azeri with Turkish bias
The Agean Waters are more inmportant that land for us Greeks.
The issue here is neither national security nor freedom of navigation but the Exclusive Economic Zone that is gas and oil. Turkey has a long coast but, according to International law, has limited EEZ. Turkey following coercive policies towards Greece is trying to bring Greece on the diplomatic table and to force a solution through negotiations rather than by implementing the provisions of International Law.
Although they are intertwined EEZ is the friction at Northern Mediterranean and relatively new one. Aegean dispute is over territorial waters, EEZ doesn't even apply (islands are too close to Turkish mainland) and it is much older one.
@@anilhaksever and then what's the solution? move the islands? xD
@@anilhaksever EEZ doesn’t apply in the Aegean? You must be high.
@@Paulynyc All rights EEZ can give is already included in territorial waters, it is your own property you don't need EEZ to grant you rights for it ?
Main dispute is over 6nm - 12nm discussion of these territorial waters hence the casus belli from Turkish side. How will you have EEZ in an area where one territorial water ends and other one starts right away ?
Greece wants to extend it's territorial waters to include areas that are considered international waters right now. Basically not leaving any part of Aegean which is not part of a country. Reaching Turkish territorial waters from all points. Opening path for them to control entire Black Sea - Mediterranean traffic. This is more than EEZ when they can block any ship's passage at will. Otherwise they have economical presence, fishing etc already in these areas without a problem.
You have a land mass and 12nm inward to sea from this landmass you can call "this is my waters, my country". After this 12nm, for another 12nm you have your contiguous zone. And then for 176nm, you can call, this is international waters but for "economical" resources I have "exclusive" rights. If you wanna fish, you need my permission. This happens when you have no neighbors, you are not in a inner sea etc most basic scenario for Exclusive Economic Zone.
Now let's take Aegean sea, you have a land mass, you go 12nm, you are already 3nm away from a Turkish island or even the main land, where do you fit the EEZ ? Are you gonna walk in Turkish main land and go to a river ask the guy to not fish there ?
And for calling people "high" in things you didn't even thought over more than 10 seconds, you must be dumb.
@@anilhaksever EEZ applies to the remaining international waters _after_ expanding territorial waters to 12 miles.
Unbiased report "Turkey cannot allow the Aegean to become a GREEK LAKE and the reason for this is tied directly to national security" "that is a security threat no country would accept regardless of who is right". These phrases and many more show that you are taking a side. So Turkish aggression is perfectly justified right?
Also your way of thinking that the Athens uses the islands as a buffer zone, is highly faulty. Greece is not only Athens, Greece is it's islands and sea that we dearly hold in our hearts and we are not going to abandon them no matter what.
The law should be respected, the is no doubt that some agreements can be made between the two countries, but firstly the Turkish politicians should not provoke us with their army. If Turkey wants cooperation they should not threaten Greece.
Search about Imia in 1996 and try to justify Turkey once more, also check about the crisis of 1987 and tell me if again Turkey was the righteous one between the two sides.
Once more you do not present the two sides and the way they handle their foreign policies, because you are pro-Turkish and it doesn't add up to your rhetoric.
The video even justified the 1974 invasion of Cyprus. Go figure. Biased as fuk.
Cmon shivran dont be so biased, i dont want to unfollow you i like your content.
You are well aware who is the agressor in this case and who has legal claim. I assume from your name you are from azerbajan.
You assume a lot. I think it's painfully clear that Greeces Actions are a serious Threat to Turkish Security.
The Problem is that Greece is a puppet State, controlled by other Nations. Greece is a Playingfield for bigger Powers.
Those Powers are willing to let Greece burn.
@Hfccf Na of of my f pay back debt to Germany
@@alexander1055 coming from a nation with all journalists in jail, a history synonymous with genocide and a Putin style democracy.
You got your facts wrong! It is turkey that violates Greece's air and water borders!
Common sense can prevail without the need for conflict.
Not with Erdogan in the helm of Turkey.
Nationalists of both countries lack it....
Problem is with the Greeks!
Today they are reaching to our coast and next day they'll say that Turkish land is ours now and the UN aka Useless nations will favour Greece for being Christian..
Actually my point is UN is just useless in fairly partitioning...
Treaty of Lausania will eventually end in 2023 , I hope we'll take back islands if UN doesn't take interest
@@Char444 the problem is nationalistic greeks & turks*....lets be accurate, the one wants to take the land of the other....
Consider also Japan and Taiwan's solution for their overlapping maritime boundaries in the East China Sea. Japan signed the UNCLOS, Taiwan is unable to sign the UNCLOS, but both entered maritime delimitation agreement for their overlapping EEZs.
Rather disappointing. Generally this channel does a good job of portraying a neutral, in-depth review of the issue. But this video is staunchly advocating Turkey's perspective rather than giving us a neutral understanding.
Yes, hellenic understanding of neutrality is agreeing with whatever greeks say, right?
Please peace. I respect Greece 👼
Is it just me or is this video a bit too biased towards the turkish side?
@john k *What do you expect? Caspian Report is a Middle-Eastern guy, he supports - Turkey*
@Sreenivas GV So in the name of avoiding war, Greece should sacrifice its rightful sovereignty and abandon its lawful rights in the Aegean? Do you have any idea that Turkey is claiming half of the Aegean sea, not recognizing that islands are territory with exclusive economic rights? If Greece were to accept the Turkish claims of the ultranationalist "Blue Homeland" project, Greek islands like Chios, Lesbos, Rhodes, Kos and Samos would become enclaves surrounded by another country much like Berlin was in East Germany in the Cold War. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of Europeans living there permanently, and their livelihood is dependent on the sea and trade with the mainland.
The Azeri guy who made this, who obviously takes a completely biased approach benefiting Turkey, does not take account that Turkey is the aggressor here. Greece does not claim Turkish lands. Greece does not threaten Turkish citizens that they will "be thrown into the sea like their ancestors" (obviously a reference to the Smyrna massacre of innocent Greek, Armenian and Jew families in 1922). Greece Is not currently invading and occupying territories from 3 separate countries (Cyprus, Syria, Libya). Greece does not disregard NATO's rules by buying Russian missile systems. Greece is not challenging the status quo by asking for revisions in past signed treaties.
Greece only wants to abide by international law and prosper. Greece is the smaller, more civilized and much more peaceful country. Greece does not carry a burden of mass genocide, nor did they invade anyone around them.
Do you think that having Turkey as a neighbor is the same as having Denmark or Finland or Luxemburg or any other European country? Miss me with that rhetoric, Europeans are basically one nation by now, with the only barrier being some ethics here and there and of course language.
But anyway, do you think cowering and giving in to the unreasonable demand of ultranationalist wannabe emperors will bring peace? What kind of mentality is that? Let me answer that for you. Its the mentality that Neville Chamberlain had when confronting Adolf Hitler's nationalist, revisionist and chauvinistic demands. "Let him have half of Czechoslovakia, that will be the end of it". You cannot appease a bully, and the Turkish regime is not a democratic, transparent, friendly westerner. Giving in will only bolden them, which is something that nobody in the Eastern Mediterranean wants. Which is why everyone is rallying behind Greece's back. Because its the right thing to do, and the only thing that should be done.
I feel like the channel rarely editorialises but the idea that a diplomatic solution is preferable to unilateral ones in this instance is a piece of editorialising I'm ok with. I do think a unique solution will be needed owing to the fairly unique nature of the geography of the region and the longstanding acrimony between the two nations.
well this comment section turned into a mess real quick. I feel like Greece has every right to claim these waters, but they should probably leave a corridor open between its territorial waters to allow better passage. There should probably be a provision in the Law of the sea for these kinds of scenarios where a body of water is only accessible by passing through one countries waters. The same should apply for the Bosporus and the Sea of Marmara despite how close they are to the coast, so all states bordering the black see have equal access to the Mediterranean.
(basically the Montreux Convention is way overdue for an update, the I doubt that will happen anytime soon)
All commercial shipping can pas through the territorial waters of a country without problems...military ships have the right to pass but from the shortest route . They just don't have the right " to hung around" Denmark for example cannot deny access to anybody at the Baltic sea, Spain and marocco cannot deny access to anybody in the Mediterranean sea....The blocking of turkey or Russia by the expansion of the greek territorial waters is just another turkish lie....
You are right
If the Islands in the Aegean sea were taken by the Greeks after the WW2 with their full rights, your comment would be totally correct. However, after the ww2, the islands were given the Greeks on the condition of not arming them. Thus, Greek govs, in any curcimstances cannot hold full rights on the Ciclades islands and the possession of the islands are conditional. Thus, according to the treaty of Lousanne 1923 and Paris 1947, any decision on the mentioned islands should be made bilaterally.
@@AlperenBAYRAM it is also forbidden to store nukes on the territory of the former GDR and there are limits on troops stationed there. Its still 100% part of german territory and they dont need to ask anyone if they want to do something with it as long as they arent putting nukes there. Its still their territory, and I doubt those treaties would be violated by expanding their territorial waters. Otherwise according to your logic the Bosporus would not fully belong to Turkey because the Montreux Convention limits the tonnage of warships allowed to pass through it.
@@AlperenBAYRAM the militarization of the islands and their rights for territorial waters and EEZ are completely different things ,and are not related in any way. After the treaty of Lausanne the Aegean islands had 3nm territorial waters (the maximum allowed at that time) the same as mainland Greece and Turkey (at that time).. The militarization of the Aegean islands started after the formation of the Turkish "Aegean army" whose sole purpose is a potential invasion of the greek islands. We would be mentally retarded if we wouldn't answer to that threat (We all know what happened in Cyprus when the greek army withdraw from the island) ....Nevertheless, the militarization of some Aegean islands is the only turkish claim that has legal backing all the other are totally obnoxious.. army units will remain in the islands until turkey starts to behave as a normal European country. ( Meaning until the end of time) . I have to remind you that among the provisions of the treaty of Lausanne was a) autonomy for the islands of imbros (gokceada) and tenedos (bozcaada) the only Aegean islands that remained under turkish sovereignty. b) 200000 greek orthodox Christians were supposed to stay at imbros tenedos and Constantinople and 100000 Muslims at west Thrace..Are there any greek orthodox Christians at imbros tenedos or Constantinople today ? no there not.....are any Muslims in west thrace today? Yes they are 150000....are the islands of imbros and tenedos autonomous? No there is no use for that since the autochthonous population was eliminated...You see my friend turkey was the first to violate the treaty of Lausanne. In fact turkey never respected any treaty that ever signed...
Your video may be unintentionally biased as it does not list all the facts!!!
Some of the facts you do not mention are:
1. the possibility of innocent passage of ships through the sea waters of another state which means that peaceful crossings of merchant ships, warships and even submarines are allowed under the same UN legislation, which invalidates the argument of "dismemberment" of Turkey.
2. the questioning of the sovereignty of entire islands of Greece. These islands are under the sovereignty of Greece through the Treaty of Lausanne signed by Turkey after Greek-Turkish war of 1922. The domination of the Dodecanese and Kastelorizo has been delivered by Italy to Greece after World War II. Turkey disputes the former as obsolete because it is now a "big" country with 81,000,000 and the latter because it did not participate in the signing!!
3. Turkey uses people (refugees) as weapons of an asymmetric economic war to European countries.
4. Turkey has a general border review stance (Syria, Libya, Cyprus).
5. the Aegean sea has been inhabited by Greek cultures since the Bronze Age. Nevertheless, Turkey speaks of a "blue homeland".
6. Turkey wants to build a nuclear plant in a seismic area with a risk to both itself and the surrounding area.
7. The insult of cultural monuments as a show of strength as happened in Hagia Sophia
The only issue that should be discussed is the demarcation of an exclusive economic zone and the unacceptable launch of investigations under the protection of Turkish war ships.
*What do you expect? Caspian Report is a Middle-Eastern guy, he supports - Turkey*
in regards to the point you make at number 2 where Turkey doesn't recognize Italy's concession of the Dodecanese: Turkey renounced all claims and recognized Italy's ownership over the islands in 1923 as part of the Treaty of Lausanne (Article 15), so Turkey didn't have much right to say anything about the islands being handed over to Greece by Italy, as Italy had every right to decide who it should go to as it was theirs, a fact that Turkey itself recognized.
it's not unintentional
quite the opposite
the guy is from Azerbaijan and all his videos about Turkey are pretty biased.
Turkey learning diplomacy since 15 century.. still gettting an F.
Oversimplified and a bit uneducated video, TYN. I hope people don't rely on UA-cam to get informed
"The pessimist will complain about high winds, the optimist expects it to change, but the realist adjusts the sails"
What are you if you do all three?
@@thanasisathanasiou6362 As long as you eventually do the last one, it does not matter if you considered the other 2 :)