I think the issue with Claudio and many other characters in Tekken 7 are way harder to counter than they are to play. Characters like these are very very exhausting to fight against.
but that doesnt mean i need to sweat my balls off trying to block against lucky chloe vs bassicalyl falling asleep against xiayou or something@@biivii100
It's an age old tekken question that will kinda wither (per character) away as time and adaptability increase as well, AOP would seem kida crazy if introduced now but because it's so old people have adapted and now it's like whatever
@@biivii100No it doesn’t because a character like Asuka is massively easy to use & is difficult to play against. It does not apply to every character at all.
@@Goldlibra18Claudio is so easy, i use him and it's not even hard to win, his general frames on alot of hits are crazy, insane counters low mid and high counter hits,
Easy doesn't mean dishonest, Claudio is more honest than most characters that was even the general opinion when Tekken 7 first came out. There's a trend that seems to surface the older Tekken 7 gets, characters strengths keep changing as times goes by even when they don't get buffed or nerfed, do you remember when Akuma was just considered a gimmicky character at some point? It took the whole game lifespan for people to realize he was broken, same with Feng and so on, now with Claudio. Tier lists and character strengths are all placebo and based on general perception of the time.
Thank you for disagreeing and arguing respectfully. This man doesn't seem mean-spirited, so it's nice to see not only a lack of attacking his character, but encouraging your own chat to be civil as well. Even if he spews a lot of easily disporven and redundant BS.
This dude wasn't debating, he was venting. Rambling, often repeating dialogue and a massive helping of what-about-ism to make his points. Comparing an input of a move with other character's identical inputs despite massive differences in properties and/or their larger role in their playstyle was a baffling amount of copage. You can tell the mindset the lad came into the video with by the title of the video. There was no argument, unlike what the title implies. Nobody was arguing about Claudio because he's universally recognised as a strong character. Critiquing the more unbalanced elements of the parts of his kit that make him so strong isn't an argument "against" Claudio. He seemed super respectful and nice at the beginning but its like the more he heard about his main being critiqued, the more emotional and angry he got, getting saltier and toxic as the video progressed. Classic example of why taking a deep breath and the time to script your videos is paramount. Even if he did have good points, nobody would care if they were said so annoyingly. Its always cool to have a back and forth about the mechanics of a game we all love but when one side is just going THATS RIDICULOUS WHAT ABOUT GANRYU'S BACKWARDS WAVEDASH INTO UPSIDE-DOWN PHOENIX STANCE MIXUPS when you're like "yo those Asuka parries are are crazy though" is just obnoxious.
I don't think you necessarily have to script your videos, you can speak extempore if that feels more spontaneous and genuine but yea, gotta organize your thoughts and put some mental effort into it. This guy clearly didn't.
@@joshjones9749 whoa whoa, also got to have a hellsweep, low CH launcher or two, healthy amount of strings with CH lauchers, preferably a m4 and a place in Knee's tierlist top 5. Oh and don't forget a hopkick, df2 and safe punishers. Also it would be cool not to have any execution requirements.
Same thing) When I switched to Anna from Kazumi I noticed that some moves are gone while others enter. In vacuum certain move sounds OP but when we see as a package I get WHY char has the move or doesn't. The guy is funny AF)
Dumbest logic ever, input means nothing when comparing moves (unless you're ranking them in terms of execution difficulty). It's all about the properties. Like, it would make more sense to compare Bryan's B1 with something like Law's dragon hammer, a slow, plus on block, counter hit launcher. This guy's dumb as fuck. He calls Main Man delusional? 😂
Exactly, as OP as Claudio is at the wall its not like we don't have other characters that are OP at the wall like Eliza, Akuma, Heihachi, Steve, Paul, Bryan. And B1 is main reason people are willing to eat ss4 at the wall even though Claudio's low package as a whole is lackluster. And if you talk about the neutral most of his pokes have either serious range or tracking issues so b1 helps plug that hole. All a part of a top 10 package but not a busted character. Kazumi main btw who can play 45 characters here.@@laner4195
@@KyeCreates Careful, you're starting to sound like this guy 😂 Nah, just kidding. No offense, I don't agree and I think most people wouldn't. I'm not calling Lee the hardest character in the game, I honestly think the Mishimas are harder, Steve too but Lee is definitely hard to play. I think it's important to define what you mean by fancy stuff. Yeah, you can play without some of his crazy just frames but you need to be good at B2 loops to get decent wall carry and damage. You have to be able to pick up the FF4, D3 hits/counter hits for the combo. It took me years of practice to do these consistently.
@@KyeCreates Combo optimisation is also something that's hard with him and takes a lot of practice, his combos can be very inconsistent or tricky to adapt to situations, especially off axis if you side step or side walk. They gave him F 4, 1 as an alternate screw option to use in combos in season 2 ( I think) to fix this but it's still an issue.
Yaksa Claudio who plays like a red rank, and is also quite prideful and rude about his opinion. Red rank is me being nice...he plays like an orange rank...
i dont want to clown on the guy, but im convinced he is just mad that you called out his character and he is just coping. usually you see this type of reaction from xiaoyu players lol
Definitely the case. The beginning of the video he states that he doesn't have to defend Claudio, but he's super heated throughout the whole video. A little over half of the video later he says "you know what those characters have that I don't... as a Claudio player" He definitely feels like TMMs assessment of Claudio is a personal attack.
If he is a Yaksa its a big yikes... He plays like an orange rank, from punishing, whiff punishing, not ducking high on strings, poor movement, bad juggles No wonder he thinks Claudio is weak, he doesn't play the character well. Clocking in his gameplay I only saw 1 b1, like how can you gauge the strength of a move if you don't even know when to use it? I'm a Claudio main myself and I think Claudio is OP AF. The only matchup I dread is against Noctis and Kuni because of their profound ability to punish a whiffed b1 and their overall long comfortable range, negating a lot of Claudio's strengths.
bro can barely backdash, I had to work my ass off to learn proper movement on both sides and throw breaking (which im still not consistent on p2 side) to just barely get to blue ranks
I will never understand the insane value people put into the "my main is harder than yours" argument, because really, who cares? If you find the character fun, who cares how hard they are to play, it's a game after all, but for some reason so many people tie in their self worth into how good they are at Tekken, or any game for that matter, so it becomes a real issue if they are somehow perceived as "doing less" than other people
Rangchu won an Evo with panda. If you put work and research into your main you can achieve a lot. I play Jack and it doesn't bother me what people say about the character because I like him.
You can play whatever you want but the problem is if your character is really weak - you will spend a lot of time and dedication to learn how to play it. There are a lot of people that choose easy characters and they achieve a lot while you are swimming in mud
Dude people Laugh at me sometimes for having Gigas as one of my mains but I have a blast playing him and he's one of my 3 TTGs Alongside Kazumi and Kuni. He still has the highest win rate among all my main characters because I genuinely have fun with him and try to abuse what little strengths he DOES have. Because when you have fun with a character it doesn't matter how hard they are. I still can't Taunt Jet upper or do Jins zen cancel combos or parry or do big boy heihachi combos but still got all 3 of them to Tekken god too cuz I genuinely enjoy playing them. Apart from Jin though. That MF is busted AF and I just wanted to prove a point by taking him to Tekken God by mostly using his Right Leg.
one thing ive learned from someone that has been playing a character for super long...they will always defend his/her character till death even though they may be wrong about certain points..its knda funny
Thats true for a lot of ppl. Ive been on hei since tekken 2 and im happy to say he has some busted moves 😂 the argument I hear from others hei players is that his lows are trash.... d4 is pretty good last time I checked. 😅
i don't think it's every person. there might be a sizable chunk of people who are like that because it IS a pvp game. maybe because they're more vocal than others that it seems like it's EVERYONE?
@@genesishandboards hei's ff2 is the only truly busted move against 60% of the cast...rest is fine given that he does have a harder time with lows and above 13f even if moves like RD, f3 and 1,1,2 are super OP.
@@BullC6 ff2 is a problem ngl. But I enjoy having it! Rd is pretty strong 💪 112 is good but I'd not think op. It's a nice punish on hit confirm. What do you think about f4 when the opponent is crouching with the guaranteed df1,2? It does to much damage imo
My favorite part about this video is when he said pro players pretend to think they know what they’re talking about. Implying that he, a blue rank Claudio player, understands the game better than someone like arslan ash. Granted pro players opinions are skewed to top level play, but that’s the level I’d argue where stuff like this matters the most.
A Blue Rank Claudio player that relies on hopkick setups and wr2 pressure while having zero punishment game. I know some really good claudio players around fujin level who actually punish and don't overly rely on setups.
this guy is giving me major leroy response vibes, even his gameplay, bragging like he’s playing in high level but doesn’t punish once and can’t stop pressing buttons
I just thought it was crazy that he'd show gameplay footage of him mashing out the very same moves he was saying were not as good as other characters. Mainman talked about it at some point, but missed when he was doing it the most against some Kazuya player who seemed to not be able to respond to it at all.
Isn't this the guy who made a video some years ago about why Leroy deserved buffs ? His voice sounds similar, and he was full-on trolling last time so maybe it's the same here
When he mention Miguel’s “armor wall set up” I just knew this guy doesn’t know what frame data is at all *according to the Claudio main, every character has a ss4 that picks up for a combo, which Miguel (my main) doesn’t have that at all???
i havent finished watching the video yet , but i think what he was meaning when comparing it to miguels ( wall armor move ) is i think he was talking about sav1+2 which would make more sence because its plus 11 on block meaning u can do f34 ( a fully hit confirmable mid wallsplat and if the first hit gets blocked u still get a mix up because second hit ch launches and is very delabable giving mental frames) or low , this is actually kind of obnvious even for me as a miguel player tbh , i dont think hed be dumb enough to compare b4 to claudios b1
As expected of a Claudio main ... I play Akuma and imagine if his neutral or spacing was as strong as Claudio's (he would be Geese) ... I am clearly wishing on a wr2 or d3 and weaving in and out and I am ok with it because of the threat my opponent is facing IF it connects ... MainMan is clearly right in looking at the whole package and archetype of a Tekken character ... I also have a low estimate on this mans IQ ... in a match you are trying to outsmart your opponent and play against their gameplan ... if you have a character who has high execution (Kazuya, Akuma) you are not only playing against the opponent but also yourself because the mental stack you are carrying is much much heavier ... where a character who's moves cover more than one interaction (Claudio lol, Launch Leroy) it is much easier to focus on your opponent and react to their offense ... that is why they are much more tournament viable and my mans is blind to this fact ...
I agree that Blue ranks are respectable. I noticed chat was roasting him for playing like a yellow rank at blue. But he's a blue rank who's been playing the game for 5+years
Im a Leo and Bob main, tried claudio after watching some Jojos. in 200 games i got to a higher rank than i ever were with my mains that i played thousands of matches with. Claudio is like Character.rar. Half the moves of a normal character but all the moves are insane good. FF1+2, Hopkick, B1, ss4, WR2, are broken.
Folks folks, frames are not everything, there is also conditioning. And secondly, maybe he had a bad day for punishment, is that not possible? Let's not be children eh?
He says Claudio's d/f+1, 2 is not good because it's launch punishable, but then says Feng's SS+4 is good while also being launch punishable. What? These "my character is difficult and honest" conversations are funny.
Byakko Josie here, not a high rank, but I don't use Butterfly. I've never really understood what makes it super strong, but I'm probably using it wrong 🤷♂
Katarina 2nd hit of hopkick can hit really good players too if you don't expect your opponent to finish it in the neutral or they condition you by throwing only first hit.
he thinks TMM has a mindless following who just agrees with everything he says. uh... my guy, all of us have a mind of our own. Most of us understand the gave extremely well and on a very technical level. and if we agree with TMM then thats usually a good sign that he said something sensible or generally accepted by the community
I think maybe by using notations he meant moves that fulfill the same function not ACTUALLY the move with the same input? Eg. I think with armour king ss4 he was actually thinking of his ss2, which launches
Waisting 50min of your time debating about some random green rank video is insane!! I stoped when he said miguel's b4 is safer than claudio's b1... 😫😫🤡🤡🙉🙉👎👎
As soon as he said Claudio's buttons are slow...I immediately knew this guy didn't know wth he was talking about. 1,2 i10. b3, i13. df2, i14. Hopkick, i15. df1,2, i15. HE SAID THEY WERE SLOW!...MAYBE HE IS SLOW 💀... Not to mention the entire run-down on b1, the move is OP. This Yaksa Claudio knows nothing 😭...
As someone who's currently Yaksa after losing some ranks, I will protest us Yaksa's are trash 😅 70% are people throwing out gimmicks and never stop mashing buttons 30% are people playing compact but getting blown up by half the cast because they don't know the matchup.
Tip my hat to you sir. You are a realist. I tell my mates who are slightly newer, I started S3 post Covid, that Rank was a lot more competent back when. I easily see people at Emperor rank who would have had a hard time reaching Divine back then. Even some of the Tekken gods are now often specialists of character flowcharts and don't understand some genuine basics of the game.
I have never seen some one so deeply entrenched in their lack of understanding that they'd defend a character like claudio as being a bad/hard char to play with. My favorite character is, dont hate me, Lucky Chloe and i will never sit on my thrown and say chloe is so hard to play and has no damage. Could you imagine that shit. I really hope t8 gives me dlc chloe or surprise base roster privilege, but i want her rhythm based stuff to be more exucution demanding and a whole lot more of it. In my opinion it was a unique and fun archetype that made me love the character. Easily i.m.o. the best tekken character concept ever (after kuni, and yoshi.). P.s. fuck yoshi.
The only thing I understood is that he is been playing Claudio since season 1 and still doesn't fully understand his character. Unless it was just a troll video. Because his gameplay and what he was saying didn't match at all
No shade to the guy but not getting that moves do not work in a vacuum, and that you judge said moves on property, not the input... Dunning-Kruger in full effect
I agree with both of you guys the Claudio main has a point but it’s not making the best argument that back 1 is brutal and it’s a almost perfect all around move bro 🤬🤬🤬
Idk.... I just watched the thing. Props to the guy to take his time and do this video. And props to mainman to take some of his time and to watch and respond to it... But i still dont know how people get so defensive about their characters... I mean i am outing myself as an Alisa main, but i can laugh along if MM happens to s*** on my character and rant about it. Its his opinion, i dont know how people can be so hurt if their favorite characters are criticised. And he sometimes really sounds like hes sort of really offended. That makes me sad. We should be a wholesome community who laugh and play together. And not scream at eachother and throw a fit over trivialities. 😔
This video is proof rank doesn’t matter. He so upset he not making sense. To say look at my rank “I’m at a high level” lol. Come on man the “my character is weak don’t talk about my character” it’s so wild bro lol
This guy is one of those ignorant tekken players. Plays inconsistent af but still somehow reaches yaksa because he's beeing carried by a powerful character. Thinks Claudio's WR2 is trash because it's a high lmao You misstyped the title TMM. It's not Amazing It's baffling
Someone keep me honest here... isn't lee 1+2 comparable to claudio b1? Whenever i play Lee I just spam that move and vary my timing to pretty good results. Rank is emperor
Lee's 1+2 can't catch and screw airborne opponents, whereas Claudio can catch someone hopkicking for example. Additionally, lee's 1+2 also doesn't give him any evasion and has less range than Claudio's b1. Realistically speaking, it's harder to land a CH 1+2 with lee in the first place since it has poor range and a pretty slow startup. Claudio's b1 however, can pretty much be thrown out whenever you want to.
No. Lee has no pushback on the move to give you enough time to confirm a whiff, doesn't wall splat, doesn't launch floaters, doesn't knockdown on normal hit, and limits your options if you want to make it -1 via Hitman stance.
If TMM is saying every one is busted(that's how he literally talks about everyone in T7 and T8) then as he said long back, no one's busted, simple,then he should not whine about everyone having busted moves, it does not make sense, and doesn't look good too, He should rather focus on his amazing Tekken knowledge
I think the issue with Claudio and many other characters in Tekken 7 are way harder to counter than they are to play. Characters like these are very very exhausting to fight against.
Defense is harder than offense. Therefore, that applies to literally every character...
but that doesnt mean i need to sweat my balls off trying to block against lucky chloe vs bassicalyl falling asleep against xiayou or something@@biivii100
It's an age old tekken question that will kinda wither (per character) away as time and adaptability increase as well, AOP would seem kida crazy if introduced now but because it's so old people have adapted and now it's like whatever
@@biivii100No it doesn’t because a character like Asuka is massively easy to use & is difficult to play against. It does not apply to every character at all.
That's a great way of putting it
This dude is trying to make his main sound sound like honest and hard work.
Exactly what I thought, 😂
Yes, and I'm very entertained listening to it.
Except he's kinda right
@@Goldlibra18Claudio is so easy, i use him and it's not even hard to win, his general frames on alot of hits are crazy, insane counters low mid and high counter hits,
Easy doesn't mean dishonest, Claudio is more honest than most characters that was even the general opinion when Tekken 7 first came out. There's a trend that seems to surface the older Tekken 7 gets, characters strengths keep changing as times goes by even when they don't get buffed or nerfed, do you remember when Akuma was just considered a gimmicky character at some point? It took the whole game lifespan for people to realize he was broken, same with Feng and so on, now with Claudio. Tier lists and character strengths are all placebo and based on general perception of the time.
Of course he thinks Claudio is weak, his gameplay shows he doesnt know how to play the character correctly
lmao
as a claudio main myself, u are absolutely right
Bro thats just disrespectful. He isn’t playing pro level i get it but i know how hard i ground my ass for yaksa. And he isnt that bad.
@@fz7788there is no distinction from red/orange rank to this gameplay
@@alexj4573 i am a tg on leroy, and yaksa on miguel and leo. Genuinely dont know what you are talking about.
the terminology he used to refer to moves is quite unique
hi OP :D
Gtfo me moves are my favourite
'Unique' Indeed...
Thank you for disagreeing and arguing respectfully. This man doesn't seem mean-spirited, so it's nice to see not only a lack of attacking his character, but encouraging your own chat to be civil as well. Even if he spews a lot of easily disporven and redundant BS.
41:02 Shout out to the chat user who said *He's definately taking everything you say with salt* That shit was funny as hell.
This dude wasn't debating, he was venting. Rambling, often repeating dialogue and a massive helping of what-about-ism to make his points.
Comparing an input of a move with other character's identical inputs despite massive differences in properties and/or their larger role in their playstyle was a baffling amount of copage.
You can tell the mindset the lad came into the video with by the title of the video. There was no argument, unlike what the title implies. Nobody was arguing about Claudio because he's universally recognised as a strong character. Critiquing the more unbalanced elements of the parts of his kit that make him so strong isn't an argument "against" Claudio.
He seemed super respectful and nice at the beginning but its like the more he heard about his main being critiqued, the more emotional and angry he got, getting saltier and toxic as the video progressed.
Classic example of why taking a deep breath and the time to script your videos is paramount. Even if he did have good points, nobody would care if they were said so annoyingly.
Its always cool to have a back and forth about the mechanics of a game we all love but when one side is just going THATS RIDICULOUS WHAT ABOUT GANRYU'S BACKWARDS WAVEDASH INTO UPSIDE-DOWN PHOENIX STANCE MIXUPS when you're like "yo those Asuka parries are are crazy though" is just obnoxious.
Couldn't have said it better, dude really needed to calm down.
The end of your comment got me 😂.
I don't think you necessarily have to script your videos, you can speak extempore if that feels more spontaneous and genuine but yea, gotta organize your thoughts and put some mental effort into it. This guy clearly didn't.
But bro, Bryans b1 is +4 and Claudio's is -5.
Checkmate.
Really good summary. What-about-ism is the word I was trying to think lf when I was listening to the video.
I refuse to believe this isn't advanced humor, there is no way.
"48 damage launching deathfist". that shit had me rolling
This is what the modern tekken fan demands for their character 🤣
@@joshjones9749 whoa whoa, also got to have a hellsweep, low CH launcher or two, healthy amount of strings with CH lauchers, preferably a m4 and a place in Knee's tierlist top 5. Oh and don't forget a hopkick, df2 and safe punishers. Also it would be cool not to have any execution requirements.
@@aavavertu229why not a homing unblockable rage art or a move like kazumis tiger that summons harada to insta kill the opponent
@@aavavertu229 Sounds like Tekken 8
I LOST IT AT 20:46 when he hit with the 'Utter ridiculousness'
Thanks 4 the laugh i really need it lol
Probably the first tekken player that compare the input instead of the property xD
Same thing) When I switched to Anna from Kazumi I noticed that some moves are gone while others enter. In vacuum certain move sounds OP but when we see as a package I get WHY char has the move or doesn't. The guy is funny AF)
Dumbest logic ever, input means nothing when comparing moves (unless you're ranking them in terms of execution difficulty). It's all about the properties. Like, it would make more sense to compare Bryan's B1 with something like Law's dragon hammer, a slow, plus on block, counter hit launcher. This guy's dumb as fuck. He calls Main Man delusional? 😂
I really had to double take when I heard him make a comparison to Bryan’s b1
When you’re as dumb as this guy I guess it makes sense in his mind
Exactly, as OP as Claudio is at the wall its not like we don't have other characters that are OP at the wall like Eliza, Akuma, Heihachi, Steve, Paul, Bryan. And B1 is main reason people are willing to eat ss4 at the wall even though Claudio's low package as a whole is lackluster. And if you talk about the neutral most of his pokes have either serious range or tracking issues so b1 helps plug that hole. All a part of a top 10 package but not a busted character. Kazumi main btw who can play 45 characters here.@@laner4195
Kazuya, Steve, Lee players: "It's not much, but it's honest work"
Cheese players: "You guys don't understand"
So true as a Lee player, I guess my flaw is that I tend to downplay how hard Lee is to play a lot of times.
Yeah. I play both honest and cheesy characters and the effort - reward ratio differs drastically@@alanlegend6751
@@alanlegend6751 Lee is not hard to play unless you're trying to go for fancy stuff a lot of the times imo.
@@KyeCreates Careful, you're starting to sound like this guy 😂 Nah, just kidding. No offense, I don't agree and I think most people wouldn't. I'm not calling Lee the hardest character in the game, I honestly think the Mishimas are harder, Steve too but Lee is definitely hard to play. I think it's important to define what you mean by fancy stuff. Yeah, you can play without some of his crazy just frames but you need to be good at B2 loops to get decent wall carry and damage. You have to be able to pick up the FF4, D3 hits/counter hits for the combo. It took me years of practice to do these consistently.
@@KyeCreates Combo optimisation is also something that's hard with him and takes a lot of practice, his combos can be very inconsistent or tricky to adapt to situations, especially off axis if you side step or side walk. They gave him F 4, 1 as an alternate screw option to use in combos in season 2 ( I think) to fix this but it's still an issue.
He sounded like he wanted to cry throughout the whole video🤣
Yaksa Claudio who plays like a red rank, and is also quite prideful and rude about his opinion. Red rank is me being nice...he plays like an orange rank...
Without an easy character that’s where he’d be
@@AMK316Damn right.
i dont want to clown on the guy, but im convinced he is just mad that you called out his character and he is just coping. usually you see this type of reaction from xiaoyu players lol
Definitely the case. The beginning of the video he states that he doesn't have to defend Claudio, but he's super heated throughout the whole video. A little over half of the video later he says "you know what those characters have that I don't... as a Claudio player" He definitely feels like TMMs assessment of Claudio is a personal attack.
xiaoyu players can drown in a river really
Dude literally does b1 then hopkick in yaska ranks
Heihachi's b4 is a really strong mid. Safe homing long range mid which is a counter hit launcher. It's definitely up there i think.
Would be if not the lack of evasion
tru
Heihachi player here, this is 100% true. One of my favorite changes for him.
It's good if you catch them feeling too safe at range
F3 is much better than b4. B4 is -9
If he is a Yaksa its a big yikes...
He plays like an orange rank,
from punishing, whiff punishing, not ducking high on strings, poor movement, bad juggles
No wonder he thinks Claudio is weak, he doesn't play the character well. Clocking in his gameplay I only saw 1 b1, like how can you gauge the strength of a move if you don't even know when to use it?
I'm a Claudio main myself and I think Claudio is OP AF. The only matchup I dread is against Noctis and Kuni because of their profound ability to punish a whiffed b1 and their overall long comfortable range, negating a lot of Claudio's strengths.
Yea his Claudio is ass, df1 into df2…….
Yea he plays like a 1st Dan, orange ranks are decent these days.
bro can barely backdash, I had to work my ass off to learn proper movement on both sides and throw breaking (which im still not consistent on p2 side) to just barely get to blue ranks
Orange ranks are brutal on PC, this dude plays like yellow ranks
@@RisingJericho shit, on the west coast even orange ranks on ps4 are better lmfao
Bro ate a full alley kick setup like come on man 😭😭 24:21
is all of that guaranteed on CH? because he done 43 and it looks like he got ch?
I will never understand the insane value people put into the "my main is harder than yours" argument, because really, who cares? If you find the character fun, who cares how hard they are to play, it's a game after all, but for some reason so many people tie in their self worth into how good they are at Tekken, or any game for that matter, so it becomes a real issue if they are somehow perceived as "doing less" than other people
Rangchu won an Evo with panda. If you put work and research into your main you can achieve a lot. I play Jack and it doesn't bother me what people say about the character because I like him.
Well, doing more with less is praiseworthy.
You can play whatever you want but the problem is if your character is really weak - you will spend a lot of time and dedication to learn how to play it. There are a lot of people that choose easy characters and they achieve a lot while you are swimming in mud
Dude people Laugh at me sometimes for having Gigas as one of my mains but I have a blast playing him and he's one of my 3 TTGs Alongside Kazumi and Kuni. He still has the highest win rate among all my main characters because I genuinely have fun with him and try to abuse what little strengths he DOES have. Because when you have fun with a character it doesn't matter how hard they are. I still can't Taunt Jet upper or do Jins zen cancel combos or parry or do big boy heihachi combos but still got all 3 of them to Tekken god too cuz I genuinely enjoy playing them. Apart from Jin though. That MF is busted AF and I just wanted to prove a point by taking him to Tekken God by mostly using his Right Leg.
@@BullC6 Kazumi, Kuni and Gigas? I'm NGL I laugh at you too.
I love these response videos. Been a long time since I've seen one! It's a little toxic but very fun like Tekken.
It's still the good old Tekken
one thing ive learned from someone that has been playing a character for super long...they will always defend his/her character till death even though they may be wrong about certain points..its knda funny
Thats true for a lot of ppl. Ive been on hei since tekken 2 and im happy to say he has some busted moves 😂 the argument I hear from others hei players is that his lows are trash.... d4 is pretty good last time I checked. 😅
i don't think it's every person.
there might be a sizable chunk of people who are like that because it IS a pvp game.
maybe because they're more vocal than others that it seems like it's EVERYONE?
@@genesishandboards hei's ff2 is the only truly busted move against 60% of the cast...rest is fine given that he does have a harder time with lows and above 13f even if moves like RD, f3 and 1,1,2 are super OP.
I think I am the only Bryan main in the world that thinks hatchet needs a nerf and the high evasion on b1 startup frames shouldn't exist.
@@BullC6 ff2 is a problem ngl. But I enjoy having it! Rd is pretty strong 💪 112 is good but I'd not think op. It's a nice punish on hit confirm. What do you think about f4 when the opponent is crouching with the guaranteed df1,2? It does to much damage imo
My favorite part about this video is when he said pro players pretend to think they know what they’re talking about. Implying that he, a blue rank Claudio player, understands the game better than someone like arslan ash. Granted pro players opinions are skewed to top level play, but that’s the level I’d argue where stuff like this matters the most.
A Blue Rank Claudio player that relies on hopkick setups and wr2 pressure while having zero punishment game. I know some really good claudio players around fujin level who actually punish and don't overly rely on setups.
How strong is Claudio? This guy made it to Yaksa
Lol...roasted
So for him basically If a move doesn't give a combo after or has an armour.... It's not that good... That's very one dimensional thinking...
The amount of 2nd hand embarrassment I'm having watching this monumental 😅
this guy is giving me major leroy response vibes, even his gameplay, bragging like he’s playing in high level but doesn’t punish once and can’t stop pressing buttons
I just thought it was crazy that he'd show gameplay footage of him mashing out the very same moves he was saying were not as good as other characters. Mainman talked about it at some point, but missed when he was doing it the most against some Kazuya player who seemed to not be able to respond to it at all.
Isn't this the guy who made a video some years ago about why Leroy deserved buffs ? His voice sounds similar, and he was full-on trolling last time so maybe it's the same here
No, the leroy player had some funny ass voice 😂. This guy is a completely different dude lol. Honestly thank you for reminding me of that video 🤣...
When he mention Miguel’s “armor wall set up” I just knew this guy doesn’t know what frame data is at all *according to the Claudio main, every character has a ss4 that picks up for a combo, which Miguel (my main) doesn’t have that at all???
omg the level of the analysis is to the highest level and thanks to these guys we learn so many things from them.
Yaska is the new green rank
damn dude, don't roast 95% of the player base like that
I've played dozens of orange players way better than this Yaksa
Orange maybe
I booted up the game after over a year and orange ranks I run into in quick match seem to be quite good now.
Exactly it's trash rank for bad players.. it's okay to be yaksa but it's not okay to be yaksa and act like they understand something about the game 😂
i havent finished watching the video yet , but i think what he was meaning when comparing it to miguels ( wall armor move ) is i think he was talking about sav1+2 which would make more sence because its plus 11 on block meaning u can do f34 ( a fully hit confirmable mid wallsplat and if the first hit gets blocked u still get a mix up because second hit ch launches and is very delabable giving mental frames) or low , this is actually kind of obnvious even for me as a miguel player tbh , i dont think hed be dumb enough to compare b4 to claudios b1
I think he might just be bro...did you see him dick jabbing after blocking Paul's mid power crush like it was plus?
His entire video was pretty dumb and he plays like he should be in orange rank it’s not far fetched thinking he was talking about b4🤣
As expected of a Claudio main ... I play Akuma and imagine if his neutral or spacing was as strong as Claudio's (he would be Geese) ... I am clearly wishing on a wr2 or d3 and weaving in and out and I am ok with it because of the threat my opponent is facing IF it connects ... MainMan is clearly right in looking at the whole package and archetype of a Tekken character ...
I also have a low estimate on this mans IQ ... in a match you are trying to outsmart your opponent and play against their gameplan ... if you have a character who has high execution (Kazuya, Akuma) you are not only playing against the opponent but also yourself because the mental stack you are carrying is much much heavier ... where a character who's moves cover more than one interaction (Claudio lol, Launch Leroy) it is much easier to focus on your opponent and react to their offense ... that is why they are much more tournament viable and my mans is blind to this fact ...
A guy that uses b1 into hopkick as a setup through out the video just makes this argument a big nono
I loved these videos, lol The Jin Main video years ago was great. I need more of these in my life.
I agree that Blue ranks are respectable. I noticed chat was roasting him for playing like a yellow rank at blue. But he's a blue rank who's been playing the game for 5+years
He's just trolling for 34 mins while being in denial trying to defend his true love Claudio. This is an L for you my boy and you did it to yourself.
Bruh in a Jin main, plus 6 on my keylow is a fever dream HAHAHA
say what you wanna say about this guy, he beat Biden in a FT5. Put some respect on his name.
We do not accept this guy in the claudio community. Everything you said about claudio TMM is true
Actually season 1 Claudio f3 did not CH launch. It was -9, low crush, i18 (same speed as b1) and did 27 damage (b1 did 20 but does 25 now)
I agree with your explanation Main man. He’s obviously emotion driven and not factual.
Im a Leo and Bob main, tried claudio after watching some Jojos. in 200 games i got to a higher rank than i ever were with my mains that i played thousands of matches with. Claudio is like Character.rar. Half the moves of a normal character but all the moves are insane good. FF1+2, Hopkick, B1, ss4, WR2, are broken.
Claudio literally carries players without fundamentals along with Feng users, Asukas, and Leroy players.
Asuka with no fundamentals? If you want to be higher than like Green/Yellow Rank good luck with that lol
19:17 I love how he just bragged about being high level but then did multiple slow mids in a row off negative frames.
Not to mention that he's not punishing anything. His combos are also the most basic and sub-optimal ones.
As long as you think you should only play basing on frame data, you'll never get good.
Folks folks, frames are not everything, there is also conditioning. And secondly, maybe he had a bad day for punishment, is that not possible?
Let's not be children eh?
because he knows that the kaz wasnt going to press but sidestep. at a certain point u dont completely rely on frame data.
@@dvjxnz Ah someone who understands and has their head attached!
He says Claudio's d/f+1, 2 is not good because it's launch punishable, but then says Feng's SS+4 is good while also being launch punishable. What? These "my character is difficult and honest" conversations are funny.
I like after main man says it's plus 6 on hit. It cuts to the guy and he says utter ridiculousness this move is garbage 🤣🤣
Byakko Josie here, not a high rank, but I don't use Butterfly. I've never really understood what makes it super strong, but I'm probably using it wrong 🤷♂
It crushes a lot of lows and mids. That's why.
Josie is very hard to play in high ranks. Much respect
A fellow EventStatus subscriber, I see.
So, again someone didn’t like that his main is called a top tier in some sense or dishonest. What a typical situation
Katarina 2nd hit of hopkick can hit really good players too if you don't expect your opponent to finish it in the neutral or they condition you by throwing only first hit.
Are Claudio mains ok?
This dude thinking with his feels, not logically/ objectively or honestly.
Some FGC members are so fucking delicate. You say something about their main and they act like you said a slur or called their mother a hoe.
he thinks TMM has a mindless following who just agrees with everything he says.
uh... my guy, all of us have a mind of our own. Most of us understand the gave extremely well and on a very technical level.
and if we agree with TMM then thats usually a good sign that he said something sensible or generally accepted by the community
If you want to mention the most lethal mids at the wall that are safe Bryan's b4 is one of the best.
So stepable tho
Gigas punishes it pretty easy at wall.
@@aaron.biketrials I mean in wake up situations at the wall or when your hemmed in at the wall
@@UltimateBallaPOM He might be the only one out of 50 and he's rare.
Fair
Gimme the popcorn I'm in
I think maybe by using notations he meant moves that fulfill the same function not ACTUALLY the move with the same input? Eg. I think with armour king ss4 he was actually thinking of his ss2, which launches
Waisting 50min of your time debating about some random green rank video is insane!! I stoped when he said miguel's b4 is safer than claudio's b1... 😫😫🤡🤡🙉🙉👎👎
As soon as he said Claudio's buttons are slow...I immediately knew this guy didn't know wth he was talking about. 1,2 i10. b3, i13. df2, i14. Hopkick, i15. df1,2, i15. HE SAID THEY WERE SLOW!...MAYBE HE IS SLOW 💀... Not to mention the entire run-down on b1, the move is OP. This Yaksa Claudio knows nothing 😭...
I play Miguel and I never use b4 cuz how unsafe it is on block lmao. B1 is cracked with Claudio, bro is smoking lol
As someone who's currently Yaksa after losing some ranks, I will protest us Yaksa's are trash 😅
70% are people throwing out gimmicks and never stop mashing buttons
30% are people playing compact but getting blown up by half the cast because they don't know the matchup.
I have very limited knowledge on Tekken and play Kazuya i get blown up on a regular basis by shit like Eddy/Hwoarang 😂
Tip my hat to you sir. You are a realist. I tell my mates who are slightly newer, I started S3 post Covid, that Rank was a lot more competent back when. I easily see people at Emperor rank who would have had a hard time reaching Divine back then. Even some of the Tekken gods are now often specialists of character flowcharts and don't understand some genuine basics of the game.
This guy sounds like he is gonna cry
The reality is that the guy making the video isn't good enough as a player to understand some of the things hes responding too.
I have never seen some one so deeply entrenched in their lack of understanding that they'd defend a character like claudio as being a bad/hard char to play with.
My favorite character is, dont hate me, Lucky Chloe and i will never sit on my thrown and say chloe is so hard to play and has no damage. Could you imagine that shit. I really hope t8 gives me dlc chloe or surprise base roster privilege, but i want her rhythm based stuff to be more exucution demanding and a whole lot more of it. In my opinion it was a unique and fun archetype that made me love the character. Easily i.m.o. the best tekken character concept ever (after kuni, and yoshi.).
P.s. fuck yoshi.
Always wondered how Playstation players think. Cross play will be so sick
wonder where this dude is now
Tbh if I were watching this video I would've cut the video and never waste my time the moment he compared Claudio b1 to Fengs
The only thing I understood is that he is been playing Claudio since season 1 and still doesn't fully understand his character. Unless it was just a troll video. Because his gameplay and what he was saying didn't match at all
Claudio player has no idea what hes talking about and its sad because he actually thinks that he knows the character and the game better.
This guy want claudio WR2 to be an Electric death fist 😂😂
No shade to the guy but not getting that moves do not work in a vacuum, and that you judge said moves on property, not the input... Dunning-Kruger in full effect
LMFAO he said FF4 Paul...I can't even anymore.
He is a yaksa on PS, that's te same as a Orange rank on Pc with better flow charts
I don’t get the title. It ain’t amazing, it’s the opposite 😂😂
It's gets amazing near the end 😂. The dudes commentary gets hilarious XD.
Google the word sarcasm
I agree with both of you guys the Claudio main has a point but it’s not making the best argument that back 1 is brutal and it’s a almost perfect all around move bro 🤬🤬🤬
Why is he even bothering arguments from hyper incompetent players lmaoooo
exactly. how did he even find his video in the first place. all he is doing is giving unknown players a shoutout.
"Every character has a sidestep 4"
*Meanwhile steve in the corner*
Idk.... I just watched the thing. Props to the guy to take his time and do this video. And props to mainman to take some of his time and to watch and respond to it... But i still dont know how people get so defensive about their characters... I mean i am outing myself as an Alisa main, but i can laugh along if MM happens to s*** on my character and rant about it. Its his opinion, i dont know how people can be so hurt if their favorite characters are criticised. And he sometimes really sounds like hes sort of really offended. That makes me sad. We should be a wholesome community who laugh and play together. And not scream at eachother and throw a fit over trivialities. 😔
This video is proof rank doesn’t matter. He so upset he not making sense. To say look at my rank “I’m at a high level” lol. Come on man the “my character is weak don’t talk about my character” it’s so wild bro lol
This guy is one of those ignorant tekken players. Plays inconsistent af but still somehow reaches yaksa because he's beeing carried by a powerful character. Thinks Claudio's WR2 is trash because it's a high lmao
You misstyped the title TMM. It's not Amazing It's baffling
Im a Claudio main and i think the guy think that Claudio is low tier, hard and very honest.
What's uP guys, MainManSWE here
😂omg I laughed a lot " my fingers just happen to find these buttons"
What do you think he makes of Claudio in the CAT, CNT or CBT for Tekken 8? 😂😂😂
noctis ff1+2 competes with b1. safe mid homing ch launch period
Calmest Claudio main
Lmfao the Video should've ended when he compared Claudio's B1 to Miguel B4😂😂😂 fcken hell I've seen enough knobheadedness today
Someone tell him to play Dragunov and he'll understand
I try so hard to reach the emperor with Dragunov.
He'll understand once he plays Dragunov.
The ramblings of a blue rank Claudio get a one hour video? 🤣
no get off me tools mainman hopkick?, that had me dying 🤣🤣
This guy and Jeremy should do a collab
Dude he thinks armors are safe totally...man was doing djab After blocking paul's powercrush.
Someone keep me honest here... isn't lee 1+2 comparable to claudio b1? Whenever i play Lee I just spam that move and vary my timing to pretty good results. Rank is emperor
Definitely not claudios b1 is faster and crushes
Lee's 1+2 can't catch and screw airborne opponents, whereas Claudio can catch someone hopkicking for example. Additionally, lee's 1+2 also doesn't give him any evasion and has less range than Claudio's b1. Realistically speaking, it's harder to land a CH 1+2 with lee in the first place since it has poor range and a pretty slow startup. Claudio's b1 however, can pretty much be thrown out whenever you want to.
No.
Lee has no pushback on the move to give you enough time to confirm a whiff, doesn't wall splat, doesn't launch floaters, doesn't knockdown on normal hit, and limits your options if you want to make it -1 via Hitman stance.
King's "ss4" and "wr1+2 throw" is the best...
I doubt you’ll see this and idk if anyone already corrected you but it wasn’t a ch launcher in season 1 but it was -9 yes
If TMM is saying every one is busted(that's how he literally talks about everyone in T7 and T8) then as he said long back, no one's busted, simple,then he should not whine about everyone having busted moves, it does not make sense, and doesn't look good too, He should rather focus on his amazing Tekken knowledge
30:44 lol
FYI: the move that guarante a df12 bt is ws11
He's so upset for all the wrong reasons 😂
This guy < TMM
Conclusion:
Yaksa is NOT a high rank.
The video is pretty good